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hosts live can see return shouldn't
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back everybody to this week's episode of crimes
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this
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is the story of allen greenberg
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you know the story no i haven't heard
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what many give you a little background on allen allen
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was born on june twenty third
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and then can eighty three any
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or
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cute josh in sandra
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greenberg josh was a pair
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dynasty and sandra was a
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dental hygiene
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our know your only child and
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they just adored her she described
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as a girly girl
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the always smiling
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calvin high school and after
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graduating from high school she added
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three from penn state and
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communication
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in two thousand and and love in which is one
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story takes place
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when you seven year old allen lived with
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her twenty year old fiance
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named samuel goldberg
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written a two bedroom apartment
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in venice loft apartment complex
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which i guess is on flat rock
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road in philadelphia
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the band together for three years and
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they had become engaged
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the summer before in two thousand and can
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you plan on getting married august
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thirteenth of two thousand and eleven
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they were going and it's really big wedding at hotel
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hershey
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hershey pennsylvania
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the time on had earned a master's degree
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in education and she was working
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as a first grade teacher at the
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i think it's pronounced juliana part
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academy for she been employed for three
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years and sam worked as
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a television producer
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january twenty six and two thousand
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and eleven school got out early
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because the weather was bad there was is
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hard northeastern storm that
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was gonna hit philadelphia
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ride home before noon
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and that a sam was home to
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it went on a sixth floor of their
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apartment complex and around for
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forty five that afternoon
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them went go to the gym and
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that was in the apartment complex
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the same building but it would a gym
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in venice last
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when he returned home around
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five twenty five he's on the door
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was locked he used his keys
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you get in
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would he couldn't because the latch
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on the inside it was it's latch it
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prevented him
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from accessing it through such pounding
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on the door
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he doesn't get any answer
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the call the allies
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don't have been get an answer then him against
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taxing are and these are the taxi that
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hello
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there is back
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open a door numbers that
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what are you doing
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no it
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getting pissed
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no rick back
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hello
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again
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no refined
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the better have an excuse
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then you write what the fuck
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and if last taxes ah you
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have no idea
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and i believe these text messages took
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about
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while many
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after getting no answer from her
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he went to the apartment complex
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lobby and he found that there was a security
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guard work in there i think he was working the front desk
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his name was so happy and sixty
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seven years old
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them asked fill if he would help
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on break the lock
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the get in said i yeah can't get into
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my
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he would ideally
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like yeah i can't help
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you break in santa ends up going
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back upstairs and breaking
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into the apartment himself
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when he died
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the finds of fiance
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one on the hardwood floor
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the kitchen
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he's wearing a gray purple hooded sweatshirt
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gray sweat pants and are ago
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close she'd been wearing when he laughs
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maybe forty five minutes earlier and
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she's covered in blood
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then have nine one one the
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call comes in
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thirty three
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yeah
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and i'm gonna play the coffee guy
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where
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are , are just block fi obliged
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to answer don't worry blood everywhere should
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sort of warcraft forty six
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hours later on grocery store was
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no one one
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is a house or house oh
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no is
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reportedly what oh no or
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three times leaves the bleeding from seattle
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know you charles
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after com your top down in order to
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get you some out
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i'm sorry i'm sorry she i don't i'm
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looking right now see
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how was i can see can return shouldn't
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those wasn't broken mr tweets alleys
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they don't know which is bleeding from can only
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shot something
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they tried to your head of a shooter adventure
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he might have followed the you know what
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boy dollars
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on a table or is her face a little purple
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okay hold on for three four
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they on a farm
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inside if i'm a sports journalist yeah that's
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not just forty , o one
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flatiron group please hurry yeah
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my like yeah my my i went
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downstairs coworker i came back up the
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doors the lashed like fiance's
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inside she wasn't she wasn't answering so
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after and after half hour i decided to break it
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down it see her now just on the for the
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border she's got she's not responding
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okay she breathing
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right
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i needed a calm down
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his you look at us as well
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i really don't
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recently however why are
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bad
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daughter
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khatami if is all up and
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down up and down
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i don't see we're moving out
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of the cpr i don't
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are you a digital payments on it gets
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there aren't you to keep
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okay
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fine with me over the phone
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so take i just i have to right
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okay to get her back they are
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her chest
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the pressure
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var tyre
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our trees
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freak , started to say uncharted
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territory not not will
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come off as his as to
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stab efforts where she
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felt alive on over next week you know
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it was freaking
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out of her hundred or
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so i say i just so i'm always
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go on say don't know
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they want
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okay daughter started what
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are you know what i do
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you can is that life is our it says
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it's gonna be can are few to see cpr
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decide
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oh my goodness
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look at seven
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says
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they are you pay forty six zero
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are flat right right yeah okay
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some was on away in away nice as soon as that
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right side
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, her house
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that chess or way original
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on a way out
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i tried oh my god she's
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twenty seven
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that any self analyze our
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right
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on that may see that bad thing
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a warmonger
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years but whatever
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you can analyze the so that that are
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how far a feel for a one and
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the works
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like
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anything
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agree i can't
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believe this year with
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our the average only ones here
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nord family lives
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i i went downstairs
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to work out to max
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out your door was latched onto
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it wasn't like usually was watching
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no
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no no no
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that of a breeder
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try
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to break a flash bus
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to get in
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edited out
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most
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of our yard oh my god i
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and i'm i'm on call
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that was a wild ride i
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know what i'm so
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confused
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let me tell you a little bit more about what
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happened
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emergency response team com right
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away they enter the apartment
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he was declared died she
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declared dead pretty much right away
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when they found or she was slumped against
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a cabinet where their shoulders and neck
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resting on at them and
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and twelve and a half in surrey did
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knife was embedded ten
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centimeters into a chat
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the waves were out in front of her
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he went up mean played on her now
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she was in she had a white towel
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and are left hand it was a white kitchen
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towel her right hand had blood on
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it
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and it was in a closed
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the mood best condition
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nobody were taken to the medical examiner's office
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and please of course are investigating
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the scene
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the couldn't find any signs
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of any
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sort of the intruder only
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the dog broken latch on the
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door me by sam robbery
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didn't appear to be a motive as that was
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money laying out
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in the apartment they had three laugh
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one way still sitting on
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a kitchen island it was sound
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find any signs that she
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try to run away or escape from anyone?
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like nothing was in disarray
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blood was only found in the kitchen
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area i'm a countertop was
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a a bowl of blueberries and a
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freshly caught orange
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the think they were to clean
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night
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the autopsy was conducted
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on allen the next day by the philadelphia
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medical examiner ellen's body
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had so many stab wounds
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that i read the autopsy
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they had labeled the wound a
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b c
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the way down to the letter
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the
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oh my gosh
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at a lotta wound
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or fact below her neck
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were eight different knife wounds
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some of them were only
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a quarter of a centimeter jeep
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they were buried deep at all but
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one of on was for
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and
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the and the other one it was just
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by her heart there were too
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deep stab wounds to her abdomen one
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pierced her liver
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now because really weird
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there were can wound
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i phone to the back of her neck
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and when i say back of her neck and hugging just below
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that caroline in that
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area damn were
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three inches
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pretty deep yeah that's pretty deep
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on her abdomen for right
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leg or arm shit eleven bruises
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and they were described as being in various
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stages of resolution on
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her scalp there was a six and a half
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by one centimeter caught that
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went through her skin all
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the way
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indoors doubt encode all
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she had twenty be diablo
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hadn't been to the back for neck
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as i sat right below her hairline and
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one of those wounds actually injured
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her spinal cord after the
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odd have he didn't matter
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the founder declared for man or a dash
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homicide so a homicide
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department gotten ball
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one hundred i detected they are reviewing everything
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the scene is still secured
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the noted that most of the blood was confined
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to the area where allen was
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mostly under her body there
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is too small areas of blood
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spatter on the granite countertop
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above where she was found there was a little
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more blood splatter on the cabinet
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that she will found leaning against but
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there was really no other blood in the apartment
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the counter was quite cone nice flat
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by the think
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the will over on it's side
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the nice found in allen match
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one of the missing knives from the block
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of course question sam
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and our neighbors neighbors
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are they didn't hear anything besides sam
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pounds
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the door
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they pulled the cctv
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footage from the
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apartment complex and the footage itself
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only shows the entryway the building
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they didn't sell anybody strange
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coming in and out there
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were no other cameras around
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not on her floor or anything
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to examine the
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with the only entrance then i'm guessing
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okay i don't now good clashing
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i'm guessing they also like examined
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the key saab name fall and
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it in a match what sounds sad
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the indicators in appear that there
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was any defensive wounds and own
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and bodies like you would expect from someone
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who's being attacked by a nice
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the up close and a knife for
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sent for dna testing they didn't singer
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print the knife that they did send
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it for dna testing and the only
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dna they found on it was our
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they stated earlier
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one and family on the sixth floor
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they looked at the balcony and remember there's
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a major snowstorm and
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the balcony is very small it was
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narrow and there were so much snow
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on it that it clear to
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investigators that no one had
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ban on that balcony and as
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i mentioned none of the furniture was disturbed
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allen's laptops were found in the bedroom
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authorities it began looking more and more
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like alan may have actually
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killed herself why
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think about it
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there's no find of an intruder
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the radio robbery there's no
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defensive wound
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then they didn't find any drugs or anything
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our system like she was drugged for store
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the not while there were some rise in
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her system but i will get to that okay
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her friends and family had noticed a change in
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her behavior about maybe six
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weeks earlier she seemed very
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anxious she was normally a very bubbly
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happy person when i questioned
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her about it just kept saying that
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her work was giving her anxiety
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or she say over and over again i don't want to talk about
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it and really strangely she
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asked her parents in
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december if she could move back home
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with them and their harrisburg pennsylvania
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how of course or parents asked
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why would you want to move back in
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with as you have your fiance you're planning
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this beautiful summer wedding she
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said it had nothing to do with sam she
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just wanted to come home and she didn't
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wanna talk about it antoine
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sandra urged her to see
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a psychiatrist
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then she did this within the beginning
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of january
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he would prescribe zoloft but
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she didn't like how it made her feel the
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kaiser three months after berman and
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she ended up seeing dr berman three times
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the fire her january twelve january
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seventeen
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then are in nineteen
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that she was originally prescribe zoloft
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and a low dose of xanax
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that our didn't like how those
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drugs meter feel
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though she asked the doctor
17:53
for maybe something different and the doctor
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prescribed her ambien does she was
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having trouble sleeping and
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hi patty
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during her visit
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where doctor berman she discussed
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how she felt overwhelmed with work the
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with complaining about having trouble with
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some new school district regulations
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and that she was having a few difficult student
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that she didn't get nk any
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real that about it and i think
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it's interesting cause she's teaching first grade i
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was gonna say isn't teaching elementary
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kids yeah he expresses
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his she had no thoughts of suicide
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in when it came to talking about say i'm
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selling had positive thing to say about
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i'm of course the psychiatrists
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ass are you being abused and
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she said no we don't
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have any five these are fine
18:42
she just kept saying she's one
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with work and she was just having severe
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anxiety
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the i think were there any drugs in her system
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the only drawn that they found that an attack
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how do report were ambien
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and quantum
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the and they didn't find that she'd abused
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them in any way
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during her last office visit with doctor
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berman the doctor noted that
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allen seemed quote way better
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and own had told him on that
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she was feeling really good with a
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new madison
19:12
four days before her
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that
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one mailed out save the date
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cars
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for her wedding
19:20
the friends and family
19:22
the result of learning all the things about her anxiety
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and no one altered dna been found and the noise
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and the door being locked from the inside
19:30
homicide detective became convinced
19:33
that alan had and he
19:35
committed suicide even though the medical
19:37
examiner
19:38
had he was homicide
19:41
there's no no by the way left
19:43
by alan what they believed were that
19:45
these shallow puncture wounds to
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allen's body were cast or
19:49
hesitation wound they urged
19:51
the medical examiner his name is doctor
19:54
as boring to change the
19:56
manner of death to suicide
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that remember there was
19:59
spinal cord injury and
20:02
that concerned doctor osborne
20:04
how could she have possibly stab yourself
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and attack
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if her spinal cord had been
20:10
injured bother him so much
20:13
that before is willing to change the manner of does
20:15
he wanted or opinion about the spinal
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cord
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the we reach out to a
20:20
the doctor named after work add
20:22
ons a neurologist any asked
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her to look at the injury
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but instead of having her come over
20:29
to the medical examiner's office
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after i was born walked a
20:34
section of on spinal cord
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basically like in a jar
20:39
over to doctor work at on
20:42
in a very heavy snow for
20:44
an informal quote curbside
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wouldn't an will this is weird
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it's very strange right yeah
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very very strange that
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work at and didn't use a microscope
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he said the him
20:59
according to data are born that the dura
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for the sheath covering the spinal cord
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quiet but not the spinal cord itself
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which would indicate that allen would not last
21:09
motor function and she want to ban paralyzed
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from the injury instead it it would adjust
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probably closer to feel numb
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which would allow yourself to stab
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her sophomore
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there and not feel anything
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we believe our stab yourself repeatedly
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left standing near the cabinet and then slid
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down to the seated position on the floor
21:30
where she was found by sam what
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a weird way to kill yourself eventually
21:34
doctor osborne agreed to reverse his
21:36
original decision of homicide any
21:38
change allen's manner of death
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to suicide did he did
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mind our parents wrangled
21:46
the idea that killed herself her
21:48
mother had spoken to on a phone that
21:50
morning that morning she died and she
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seemed fine she was actually on her way to school
21:54
oh and called a mom and she seemed
21:57
fine she texts your friend around
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noon
21:59
being happy that school got hour early
22:02
ship didn't sit well
22:05
with her family and they really
22:07
want more information
22:09
hey angela paying for a copy
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of the allen's autopsy report photos
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of
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body at the scene the madam
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alexander's investigation report
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and they sent it to the very famous
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doctor cyril watch
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so well known you madam right at frankly
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i met him a crane can he's like
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ninety years old and he has always
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book
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i believe he was one of the first people who challenge
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the single bullet theory of jfk
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assassination yeah he gave a talk about
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it a crime plan that i went to oh
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well before i tell you what his can
22:43
where we're going to take a quick
22:45
break
22:51
read doctor matches report
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in it he notes that multiple
22:56
suicidal stab wounds are
22:58
very rare and they're usually
23:00
associated with multiple
23:03
cuts on the wrist or multiple
23:05
cards on the throne i'm
23:07
tied to suicide you'll see hesitation
23:10
slices or caught cause they are
23:12
putting and they're trying it out but
23:14
rarely has he ever seen anybody
23:16
that sad themselves
23:19
the bat
23:20
and remember to of gallons were
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three into
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he said in his report where the murder
23:26
year usually going again
23:28
multiple stab wounds to the side
23:30
the back the stomach
23:32
can ignite he found interesting
23:35
is is someone is gonna commit suicide
23:37
and they are gonna stab themselves they
23:39
don't usually do it through their clothing
23:41
because it makes it more difficult and own
23:44
was stabbed through cloning after
23:46
watch noted that with alan
23:48
to stab wounds to the upper mack
23:51
and laura had seemed unlikely
23:53
suicidal stab wounds because
23:55
the ones themselves is specifically
23:58
runes k l q and
23:59
our and
24:01
cameron vertical directions last
24:03
try and some were right to last
24:06
in for as on all
24:07
among marty
24:10
the under his report saying quote
24:12
in the review of all the submitted documents the
24:15
results of the autopsy and the accounts
24:17
from the investigation based upon
24:19
a reasonable degree of medical certainty
24:22
it's my professional opinion that
24:24
the manner of death of ellen greenberg
24:26
is strongly suspicious of homicide
24:29
good enough for me case closed
24:32
the family continued hiring more professionals
24:35
to help them understand what happened to
24:37
their daughter they reached out to
24:39
the viaduct society of li that's how it's
24:41
pronounced a crime solving group
24:44
and there's one in philadelphia and i looked
24:46
up them and they provide
24:48
pro bono expert assistance
24:51
to law enforcement agencies crossing and it
24:53
stayed
24:54
the made up of volunteers that
24:56
are friends like experts and investigators
24:59
it's members include profilers
25:02
criminologists forensic scientists
25:04
medical examiners active
25:06
retire law enforcement agencies prosecutors
25:10
polygraph examiners and other people
25:12
guild and solving cases they usually
25:14
do a lot of cold cases
25:16
reviewing allen's case one expert
25:19
from the society noticed
25:21
that our had a stream of blood running
25:23
horizontally across your teeth
25:25
from
25:26
the side of her nose
25:27
last tour ear
25:29
the body had been swamped
25:31
operate in the opposite direction
25:34
and that may not seem significant
25:36
but flight and shouldn't dressed
25:38
in that direction or machines and moved
25:42
no years have gone by to see you know
25:44
when all of this is happening in these experts
25:47
are looking at it
25:48
the family hired former homicide prosecutor
25:51
named history being
25:52
the area help them find out what really
25:55
happened there are still just really
25:57
confused and when he's going
25:59
through our
25:59
file and all the information
26:02
on our case he noticed there was no neurological
26:05
report from doctor burke
26:07
adam
26:08
about the spinal cord injury
26:10
the damage that was done do it
26:12
though he reached out to doctor work adam
26:15
that curbside rail
26:17
as for the spinal cord report
26:20
she wrote back quo
26:22
i have no recollection
26:23
that case and co
26:26
two thousand and seventeen mystery
26:29
the andrea come out something strange
26:31
a piece of the on spinal cord was
26:33
still at the medical examiner
26:35
ah fair captain storage
26:37
though he i don't know how but
26:39
he ended up getting a forensic pathologists
26:42
named after wainwright
26:43
reviewer
26:45
doctor ross concluded quo
26:47
there with
26:47
evidence of a stab wound which penetrated
26:50
the training or cavity and savard
26:52
the cranial nerves and brain as
26:54
a result she would experience severe
26:56
pain cranial nerve dysfunction
26:59
and traumatic brain size
27:01
hinton including numbness tingling
27:04
irregular heartbeat respiratory
27:06
depression your own genetic sat
27:09
and impaired loss of consciousness
27:12
how can noted that base
27:13
the on the autopsy report photograph
27:15
and all the celtics
27:17
he
27:18
look at pretty evaluated every
27:20
saying he bullied that there
27:22
was evidence of strangulation
27:24
organ mark over the front of her neck
27:26
which was consistent with a fingernail
27:29
mark and there are multiple bruises under
27:31
a knack
27:32
strap my food on the right side in the
27:34
neck appeared to be bruised and
27:36
he said that was compatible with manual
27:39
strangulation and again he talked
27:41
about the multiple bruises over her body
27:43
was something fresh
27:45
in some older and
27:47
he believed that
27:49
the pattern
27:50
the british words consider want repeated
27:53
beating
27:54
he declared the finding to be
27:56
indicative of a homicide
27:59
okay
28:00
doctor henry lee
28:02
doctor henry lee
28:03
yeah i know recently he's had some questionable
28:06
things about hannan some of his the
28:08
report by and she down a key
28:11
key was consulted and i read his
28:13
report
28:13
and he concluded that the number and types
28:15
of worms and different
28:17
like same patterns were consistent
28:19
with homicide
28:21
the other that back and forth between
28:23
dot philadelphia police
28:25
department and the attorney general's
28:27
office in
28:29
large to the case and in two thousand
28:31
and eighteen the attorney general's office
28:33
for pennsylvania conducted their own
28:35
investigation into the manner of death
28:38
and they concluded that it was suicide
28:40
after a lot of pressure
28:43
spoke person from the attorney general's
28:46
office provided something interesting
28:48
that the public didn't know
28:51
about before the research
28:53
history of our computer and
28:55
the search history with from december eighteenth
28:58
of two thousand and ten to january
29:00
tenth of two thousand and
29:02
eleven
29:03
there's nothing the importance for the sixteen
29:05
days leading up to her dot
29:08
currently the search on our history
29:10
then conducted on april
29:12
first two thousand and eleven put this was the
29:14
first time i believe that was shared
29:16
with the public
29:18
there's some of these entries and or
29:20
computer were
29:21
hadn't weeks prior to
29:23
that and management or family
29:24
first i noted think she was behaving
29:26
they're currently on december eighteenth
29:29
at two thirty in the afternoon
29:31
human trait in suffocation
29:34
man later went to wikipedia
29:36
and look dot suicide mattered
29:39
on january third someone
29:41
hyperion that fantasy gas
29:44
then again model
29:46
that
29:47
on january sixth the
29:49
zola offers his prozac
29:51
was typed in and prozac side
29:54
effects
29:55
on january nine
29:56
com and high gain girl electrocuted
29:59
to das trying to twitter
30:02
and bad time
30:03
or
30:04
that was one of the searches result
30:07
twitter and bath tub death
30:09
in january tenth someone's
30:12
i didn't quick suicide and then
30:14
euthanasia and then painless
30:16
suicide home to weird
30:19
very weird
30:20
in october two thousand and nineteen
30:23
greenberg filed a civil suit against
30:25
the philadelphia medical examiner's
30:27
office and doctor as
30:29
born
30:30
the pathologist who performed the autopsy
30:33
the goal was they really
30:35
wanted to have the manner of allen's das
30:37
change back to either homicide
30:39
or undetermined
30:41
which would allow for the investigation
30:44
to be reopened or
30:46
perhaps for them to file a possible
30:48
wrongful death suit
30:50
so they could try to get more information
30:53
or i shoot again the
30:56
city for misconduct
30:59
mariela who's there were some interesting
31:01
things that they alleged they
31:03
allege that there might have been to nice
31:06
used in the attack the also
31:08
pointed out something that i thought it's
31:10
interesting that i didn't know
31:13
fan met with the police and with questioned
31:16
he told them
31:16
the security guard was when i'm
31:18
when he broke open the door
31:20
but that was false and
31:22
that was one of the basis that doctor osborne
31:25
use
31:25
help convince them that it was suicide
31:27
because he believed there was someone with
31:30
sam wang he came in the
31:32
door
31:33
there is no one's cropper it's hands account
31:35
of events and i'm not blaming sam i'm like
31:37
yeah no i'm not blaming sam i'm just saying
31:39
what was in their massu
31:42
lawsuits
31:43
they also stated that the way that
31:45
door latch was broken wasn't
31:47
consistent with the way that sam
31:50
described breaking the door and basically
31:53
there were some like screws that are kind
31:55
of lose by had
31:57
he
31:57
they believe
31:58
it and door
31:59
in the way he said
32:02
there would have been more damage done them
32:04
what was done that's what they're claiming
32:06
because they food
32:08
we were able to get depositions and stuff
32:10
from
32:11
people and and two thousand and nineteen
32:13
there was an exam done by a
32:15
pathologist name lindsay emery
32:18
with off a certified interim fatality
32:20
doctor
32:21
murray conducted an exam on
32:23
the stack
32:23
alan spinal column that was
32:25
still storage the medical examiner's office
32:28
during the exam doctor
32:30
amri discovered something that
32:33
was unusual
32:34
he replied
32:36
wanting to the bone and ligaments in the
32:38
back of allen spinal column
32:40
and a corresponding clutch the dura had
32:43
no hemorrhaging around none dr
32:45
emery testified same quote lack
32:48
of the hammered means no paul
32:50
the offered three possible explanations
32:53
for the lack of hemorrhaging
32:54
there wasn't enough time between the wound
32:57
that one it was inflicted
32:59
and when alan died for damage
33:01
the wound and disrupt the tissue enough
33:04
couple others
33:05
or allen was already died when
33:07
the woman was inflicted
33:09
dr are born with deposed and
33:12
he admitted that he did not
33:14
reenact the wounds
33:15
the examiner angles nor measure
33:18
the lane to valens arms or fingers
33:20
to determine
33:20
it would even physically possible
33:22
owing to administer the wounds
33:25
herself
33:26
the court issued an opinion on
33:29
the complaint that was filed a nice said
33:31
quo in this case plaintiffs have alleged
33:33
numerous facts demonstrating an act of
33:35
controversy
33:36
the frustrated by the coroner's death certificate
33:39
the current that's are to the kid the
33:42
flag sir alan committed suicide
33:44
that would present
33:45
early insurmountable hurdle for the plane
33:48
and bring elaborate
33:49
forgot action
33:50
not i'm reasonable or
33:52
i'm just for an abuse of discretion
33:55
for the court to make a declared
33:56
the finding that doctor are born
33:58
the of erroneous
33:59
the comment allies manner of gas
34:02
or abuses discretion by not going
34:04
the during what it is appropriate to a mantra bastards
34:06
had get under the unique circumstances
34:08
of this case
34:10
what that really means is they said that
34:12
allen's parents should have a right to have
34:14
a trial
34:15
rod out really
34:17
the city of philadelphia has appealed if
34:19
they lose their appealed degree murder case
34:22
against the city and doctor as born
34:24
will go to trial go to try
34:26
they could see if he you
34:28
abused his discretion
34:30
and see if the manner of dash
34:32
the changed my
34:34
for at with the case pets crazy
34:38
i'm not convinced she killed herself
34:39
very confusing for me
34:41
i know like if she didn't
34:43
kill herself then the question is
34:45
who did yeah who did
34:47
by all accounts she'll never had
34:49
positive things to say about sam
34:51
rae i'm not saying sam
34:53
i'm not saying sam did it now
34:56
it's the weirdest i would say this like
34:58
one of the weirdest cases that was
35:00
our declared suicide but in there that cindy james
35:03
from episode eighty one oh yeah
35:06
that on was crazy stuff to death
35:08
of the haven't listened to it episode eighty one
35:10
yeah where they declared that minutes is
35:12
i didn't know whether to like tied apartheid
35:15
in south yeah she
35:16
var
35:17
crazy sorry yeah
35:19
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35:22
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