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Whether you've heard today's episode before or it's new

2:37

to you, Russ Ewing's story is well

2:39

worth a listen. Here's the show. This

2:44

episode contains descriptions of violence. Please

2:47

use discretion. I

2:50

can't begin to tell you how violent

2:52

it was. This is

2:54

former Chicago television reporter Charles Thomas.

2:57

There was a detective commander named

2:59

John Burge. And

3:02

John Burge, he

3:05

and his group of rogue detectives

3:07

were investigating crimes,

3:10

homicides in particular. They

3:13

would find a suspect and they would

3:15

torture the suspect into confessing

3:17

to the crime. They would do

3:19

everything from attaching electrodes to

3:22

genitals. I'm not making this

3:24

up. These are

3:26

some of the things that have been

3:28

documented that John Burge was doing and

3:30

his detectives were doing to people. In

3:35

1970, a 22-year-old

3:37

named John Burge joined the police

3:39

force in Chicago. By

3:42

the time he was dismissed in

3:44

1993, he and some detectives

3:46

under him had allegedly tortured more than

3:48

100 people in the 1970s, 80s and early 90s. A

3:55

friend of mine and I were

3:57

doing a death penalty case. As

4:01

part. Of the motion we

4:03

produced a picture of the

4:06

holding cell bench which was

4:08

wouldn't have the time and

4:11

the client scratched out on

4:13

a wooden bench. they're. Torturing.

4:18

And that's why he gave and fish. Marriage.

4:22

Increased is a public defender.

4:24

In Chicago. She's been an attorney

4:26

since nineteen seventy three. Were

4:29

you seeing your clients who

4:32

had been brushed up by

4:34

the police? Absolutely absolutely Is

4:36

the time. And it's. A

4:38

disgrace within these. Criminal.

4:41

Justice System. It's been well

4:43

documented to so called birch

4:45

Arrows Sutra like that. Ah

4:48

we have pictures, We had

4:50

everything. My office always filed

4:53

multiple motions. June.

4:55

Birds in his sixties were

4:57

known as the Midnight Crew

4:59

or Birds his ass Kickers.

5:02

Settle. Prosecutors leader alleged.

5:04

Does the group tortured suspects

5:07

by beating them, suffocating them,

5:09

burning them, and administering electric

5:12

shocks? John. Birds

5:14

was white, most of the

5:16

suspects or black. A.

5:19

Man named studied new means who

5:21

is incarcerated in. An Illinois State

5:23

Prison. Leaders testified that

5:26

birds held him for hours

5:28

at police headquarters in Chicago

5:30

in Nineteen Eighty Five. Pressuring.

5:32

Him to consists. He

5:35

says it birds held a revolver

5:37

against his head, put one bullet

5:40

in the cylinder, spun it, And

5:42

then pulled the trigger. When

5:45

it didn't sire. Birds. Pulled

5:47

the trigger two more times. The

5:50

Man proceeds to concerts, and

5:54

so birds press the plastic

5:56

typewriter covers over his cease

5:58

until he became unconscious Burge

6:01

repeated the process two more times

6:04

until the man did confess. Things

6:08

had gotten so out of control that

6:10

the Cook County Public Defender's Office in

6:12

Chicago wrote to the

6:14

U.S. Attorney General about the

6:16

systematic torture of black male

6:18

suspects in order to coerce

6:20

them to make confessions. They

6:23

had badges and guns and they were

6:25

very dangerous. There were people who spent

6:28

25, 30 years

6:31

in the penitentiary on charges

6:35

that they confessed to because they

6:37

were being tortured. And

6:40

the torture all led back, much of the

6:42

torture allegations, led

6:44

back to Detective Commander

6:46

John Burge and

6:48

his group of detectives. The

6:51

full extent of John Burge's misconduct

6:54

didn't become public knowledge until later.

6:57

He was fired in 1993

7:00

but continued to collect a pension. Cook

7:04

County prosecutors conducted a

7:06

lengthy investigation, but

7:08

no one could be charged with torture. The

7:11

statute of limitations had passed. Later,

7:16

Burge was convicted on federal

7:18

charges of obstruction of justice

7:20

and perjury. He lied

7:22

under oath, denying that he'd

7:24

tortured suspects. In

7:27

2011, he was sentenced to four

7:29

and a half years in prison. In

7:33

2016, the city of Chicago paid nearly

7:35

$5.5 million to 57 victims who'd been tortured by

7:41

John Burge and his so-called

7:43

midnight crew. That

7:45

was in addition to more than $100 million

7:48

the city of Chicago had already

7:50

paid in reparations, settlements and

7:53

legal fees stemming from police

7:55

abuse. John

7:57

Burge died in Florida in 2013. In

8:00

T. Back

8:03

in the height of the Burj era

8:06

in the Chicago Police departments long before

8:08

there were cellphone cameras. There's

8:10

a black television news reporter named

8:12

Rest Feelings and Ross was doing

8:14

his thing in the midst of

8:17

all this and a lot of

8:19

people forget that this is what

8:21

was going on in the city.

8:23

In terms of the criminal justice

8:25

system would rush you, wings was

8:27

going out and people's we're turning

8:30

themselves in to rush you. It's

8:32

he was right in the middle

8:34

of all this. Glass

8:36

ceiling said the police and the

8:38

people. That someone was

8:41

watching what was going on. and

8:43

soon. As

8:45

he put it, I just had the

8:47

best they could with what I passed.

8:51

I'm C B Jets. This is

8:53

criminal. He

9:01

knew something was going on because why would

9:03

these people so afraid of the police? Oh,

9:06

that that? you know that. And he

9:09

knew that the people were most afraid

9:11

of being beaten up by the cops.

9:13

That was the phrase. If

9:15

I turn myself into them, they will beat me

9:18

up. And he

9:20

knew that Sets A would

9:22

be suspects at. It

9:26

was well known that if you had

9:28

that kind of deliver, the cops were

9:30

looking for you whether you did it

9:33

or not. And

9:35

you want to rush? Rush would

9:37

ensure that you would be turned

9:39

in and that you wouldn't be.

9:42

Beaten. Tortured

9:44

at the hands of the police.

9:47

That feeling and is came on

9:49

and would document your surrender. Put

9:51

it on the evening news. And

9:54

this would create public proof.

9:57

That if you ended up with a broken arm leader.

10:00

arm was broken in police custody.

10:03

What he did is he shined a light on it.

10:07

Everybody talks about transparency. Those

10:10

days it was shine a light on it. It's

10:12

simple as this. When

10:15

you know someone's watching, you are good.

10:19

Public defender Mary Jane Plasek.

10:22

Authorities knew he was watching. Authorities

10:27

knew that he would follow up

10:30

so you didn't have a lot

10:32

of misconduct involved in it. You

10:35

had the rules followed by

10:37

the judges, by the state's attorneys,

10:40

by the police. He

10:43

made us all better. I

10:45

do not think that there would

10:47

be too many other reporters

10:51

who would stick their necks out,

10:54

who would endanger

10:57

themselves. Former

10:59

ABC 7 Chicago producer Pat

11:02

Arnold. Russ went into

11:04

some really dangerous

11:06

situations, sometimes one-on-one

11:09

with a murderer with a gun in his

11:11

hand. So journalists,

11:15

you know, we don't do that kind of

11:17

stuff. That's not part of the job description.

11:20

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11:24

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11:26

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The ceiling was born on December twenty.

13:06

Nineteen Twenty Three. He

13:08

grew up on the south side of Chicago.

13:10

He became an orphan when he was very

13:13

young, and he was raised by neighbors. In.

13:16

Nineteen Sixty six, He became one of

13:19

the city's few black. Firefighters.

13:22

This once described getting to the scene of.

13:24

A hustler. The woman school

13:27

in the house who is white. Said.

13:29

She wouldn't let him and other black

13:31

firefighters put out the fire. The.

13:34

House burned down, The

13:37

Civil Rights Act wouldn't pass. For

13:39

another eight years. Invested

13:41

in an interview. That white

13:44

firefighters who misbehaved of work quote

13:46

alcoholics were sent to work with

13:48

the black. Firefighters. As

13:51

punishment. Liver

13:53

Segregated fire stations. And

13:55

black firefighters were rarely promoted.

13:58

One of the things. Damn. Shifted

14:02

his career was as sire

14:04

fighter. He.

14:07

Was privy to. Inside.

14:11

Information about the way

14:13

black firefighters. Were treated.

14:15

Compared. With white. Their

14:18

fighters. Less. Suited exposing

14:20

the fire. Departments practices to a

14:23

local Black newspaper called The

14:25

Chicago Descender. At. First.

14:28

He used fake names and then

14:31

I think he just stepped out

14:33

and you know I'm identified

14:35

himself and as a result. You

14:38

know, Then media

14:41

outlets. Reached. Out to

14:43

him. He. Would.

14:46

Look. At certain situations and

14:48

he would expose them. Because.

14:50

He just didn't think it was right. Western

14:53

his first job in Cheesy in

14:55

the mid sixty's the the any

14:57

to Channel Five. Ski.

15:00

Was hired to deliver soon. But.

15:02

Versus a Pit Story and was

15:04

eventually promoted to work on news

15:07

Copy. I nineteen

15:09

sixty nine he been promoted again

15:11

to On Camera. Reporter. The

15:14

Swiss the sixties and it

15:16

was very important to have

15:18

black reporters and camera people

15:20

in photographers whatever to go

15:22

into certain neighborhoods because they

15:25

could go places where a

15:27

white crew could not. Ross

15:30

said that when he started there were

15:32

very few black employees. He

15:34

recalled one reporter, one window

15:37

washer, someone in the cafeteria,

15:39

and a security guard. His

15:42

date early stories covered abuses

15:44

at the Chicago Dog Pound

15:47

and discriminatory lending practices. And.

15:50

Then. He started doing something

15:52

different. Something. Nobody else is

15:54

doing. Divert first

15:56

time to escape by accident. Here's.

15:59

Rescuing. Speaking in a

16:01

Nineteen Ninety Two interview with the

16:03

Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, there was a

16:05

mental patient who was holding their

16:08

a woman and her two young

16:10

children hostage for a long time.

16:12

He was threatening or the presets

16:14

around the house. they had been

16:17

there for quite awhile they didn't

16:19

want to try to were. Left

16:21

the house because he said he may. Kill.

16:24

One of the innocent people. But. After

16:26

waiting for a long time. I I ask the

16:28

police I said let me see if I can talk

16:30

to a guy. The

16:32

sweetest heard that the police told him.

16:35

To do you had us.

16:38

We. Can still. And I

16:40

got up near the door. He recognized

16:42

me from television to let me come

16:44

in. We talked for about an hour

16:46

and the only way we talk about

16:48

I didn't talk about surrendering, I, I

16:50

just talked about. Using

16:53

your philosophy that any. Kind of living

16:55

is better than any kind of

16:57

dying after. We talked about it for well.

16:59

he put the gun down. We worked out arm in

17:01

arm and it's been going on ever since. Nineteen

17:05

Seventy Six. Two men

17:07

mean gene Since in Sydney cars

17:10

are locked into a time sixteen.

17:12

Chances with done demanded

17:14

money. The.

17:17

Took two employees hostage and escape

17:19

from the currency scenes. The

17:22

book into nearby apartment and

17:24

barricaded themselves inside more hundreds

17:27

of police officers. Surrounded

17:29

the bills. According

17:31

to W Any to Channel Five, Cameraman.

17:35

Demented. He wouldn't turn out because

17:37

they didn't trust the police. When.

17:40

The police asked who they did

17:42

trust. This. Address used. Lead

17:45

seen him on T V. The

17:47

police contacted works. The

17:51

camera man said what? Finally sweet

17:53

gym silt and Sydney closer to

17:56

surrender. Was. West has given

17:58

t that they wouldn't get. Not.

18:01

When they asked to we could be sure. Grass

18:03

said. Because as they sue you.

18:06

Don't. Have to shoot me. Another

18:09

call came in just a week later,

18:13

And after that, It. Snowballed.

18:16

Over the years, receiving stood beside

18:18

more than one hundred men and

18:20

women. As they surrendered to

18:22

the Chicago Police. Once.

18:26

The. Word got around

18:28

that. You were

18:30

safe with for us you

18:32

could tell him anything he

18:35

could keep a secret. It

18:38

was just like a no

18:40

brainer. Sometimes suspects families would

18:42

call him because they knew

18:44

that he would deliver their

18:46

loved ones to the police

18:48

station say sleep. After

18:51

talking with the person who wanted to

18:53

surrender. Sometimes for hours.

18:56

Once would either drive them to the

18:58

police station or scored them to waiting

19:01

police car. He also

19:03

got in the police cars and rode along

19:05

to the station. On the suspects were

19:07

afraid of being alone with the police. Sweaty

19:11

always stand close to the suspect was

19:13

leading them in. absolute know he was

19:15

p Held there are. Now.

19:18

He would. He usually locked arms with his

19:20

suspects. Because. They were his

19:23

brothers. They were his. People.

19:25

They were his neighbors. They were

19:27

his. I'm there were people that

19:29

new. yet they trusted him. You

19:31

trusted him immediately because you thought

19:33

he was from the neighborhood. If

19:36

you knew he was from the

19:38

neighborhood. He was

19:40

that gonna get. In.

19:42

Nineteen Eighty Two. A man

19:44

named Russell Catlett was is hitting

19:46

his lawyer in downtown Chicago. He

19:50

was waiting on a settlement payment from

19:52

a bus accident, but it hasn't come

19:54

yet. He was

19:56

unemployed and frustrated. And

19:58

he pulled out a do. And. Lawyer

20:00

asked it. The.

20:02

Police were called. Russell

20:05

Catlett. After receiving.

20:08

He reached out and he touched his

20:10

hand and he said your name is

20:12

for thought. And. My

20:14

name is Russell. So we

20:16

have. Something. In common.

20:20

The I'm. Touching.

20:24

Of the suspect.

20:26

The of farming that.

20:30

You're. Not a pariah. You.

20:32

Know when when somebody has done

20:34

something egregious, you know they were

20:36

afraid. They know that

20:39

they will be perceived as

20:41

yeah, maybe the scum of

20:43

the earth. But.

20:46

Not by rushing. Eyewitness

20:54

news. how do you do? Like?

20:56

isn't that a lot of eighty

20:58

four years what happened or forty

21:00

nine year old Chicago my on

21:02

is in custody Tonight is described

21:04

as a broken man, a victim

21:06

of chronic unemployment, separated from his

21:08

wife and young song the Sporting

21:10

in a loop office Russell Catholic

21:12

whole the gun and took attorney

21:14

most probe hostage. He said

21:16

he wanted to talk to Channel Seven's

21:18

Raw Sewage. Deputy Chief Charles Pep was

21:20

in charge of police at the scene.

21:22

He would not allow me to go

21:24

inside the room until Russell Catlett agreed

21:26

that he would put the weapon inside

21:28

a desk drawer. Once

21:30

inside the room, we talked about his

21:33

efforts to get a job. He says

21:35

that he could have rob someone to

21:37

get money, but he simply wanted a

21:39

job. At one point, Cabinet appeared irrational

21:42

and started to cry. We

21:45

walked out of the building together he

21:47

that he was sorry that he did

21:49

not intend to hurt anyone. I

21:52

had promised that I will stay at his

21:54

side all the way. I promised the police

21:56

would not use handcuffs all the way to

21:58

police headquarters. He kept. Repeating the so all

22:01

he wanted was a job and a settlement that

22:03

he felt he had coming from the loss. Of.

22:08

Thank you again Last Russia Pressuring

22:10

a rare and remarkable human being

22:13

as evidence again today. During his

22:15

sixteen years as a reporter here

22:17

in Chicago, his home town, thirty

22:19

one wanted murderers have volunteered themselves

22:21

into the custody of Russia. We'll

22:31

be right back. Did

22:42

anyone ever criticize him for helping the

22:44

police? I spoke to someone. The

22:46

other day mean like was year raptor was

22:48

see you know that surgery in are you

22:50

talking by was you snatch was year criticized

22:52

for that sort of thing. He

22:55

wasn't helping to police. Public.

22:58

Defender Mary Jane Places. This.

23:00

Is what people don't

23:03

understand? These

23:05

people came to him. It.

23:09

Wasn't like he went out to

23:11

you and said oh you know

23:13

are you know the police are

23:15

looking for you. I had

23:17

never had a case where my

23:19

client didn't actually kicked the phone

23:21

do what he had a do

23:23

to get a hold of him.

23:27

Every room when it first a disgrace as kind

23:29

of a with him because he was bring an epidemic

23:31

as can make these kind of a bounty hunter.

23:34

This a Cbc seven camera man

23:36

and Bedford. He. Worked with

23:38

rest for years, going out with him

23:40

to meet people who called in to

23:43

surrender. Would you

23:45

do if they're black people? because I

23:47

think we need a person says. Says

23:50

doing this. To our people

23:52

and that has started. In

23:56

then it was I begin to understand what

23:58

he was really doing them as. Apollo

24:00

says and went back. And that's how we really get to

24:02

be run exhaust. Nobody

24:05

else in Chicago could do this.

24:07

Not as the newspapers, radio stations,

24:09

or the other television stations. russ.

24:12

This. Was Russes world he

24:14

could do this? I

24:17

guess we comprehended that what

24:19

he was doing was dangerous,

24:21

but because he didn't. Seem.

24:24

To ah I'm.

24:27

He just didn't vibrate any seer,

24:29

he, or any anxiety. He just

24:32

took it all in stride. We

24:34

did as well. Pad.

24:36

Arnold says Ruff once went into

24:38

an abandoned building at the request

24:40

of a murder suspect. And

24:43

that when he died inside, the suspect said

24:45

that before he turned him, since he and.

24:48

He just wanted to suit his gun one

24:50

more time. And whenever Rust

24:52

told a story. He

24:54

told it's same way his head woodcock

24:56

to the side. Nice. It's. And

24:58

I asked them to, do you have any body

25:00

and mind. And

25:03

the guy. Suits.

25:06

He starts. You know, eighty just

25:08

fires one bullet. Into. The

25:10

ceiling. And russ. Being.

25:13

Russ he says. Oh

25:15

man looks like fun! Do you mind if I

25:18

try it? And so

25:20

he gets for guys to hand him the

25:22

gun. And

25:24

then he shoots up in the ceiling until all

25:26

of the bullets. Are gone. Now.

25:31

Yet at it he. He

25:34

had a. With

25:37

people you know he this

25:39

armed this guy. And.

25:44

Made himself face. Mm

25:49

One Sampras even arrest was a pilot

25:51

and he took his own airplane to

25:53

us some place and he picked up

25:55

a guy and brought him back. This

25:58

is Kim or me. In Bedford for use

26:00

a free to the back left the state never they

26:03

can rest when back and get to get. Rough

26:05

fluzone. Are clean and brought the guy that

26:07

concert. It. Was

26:10

doing had guarantee the safety of more

26:12

than forty accused criminals during his career,

26:14

but Gregory Hail is one of the

26:16

few. He literally flew into police custody.

26:18

the call from Hill coming from out

26:20

of state three days ago doing making

26:22

the hundred miles like this morning stopping

26:24

only to tell police what he was

26:26

up to the police had been searching

26:28

for Gregory Hill for days. He

26:31

told was hearing who's afraid of being so.

26:34

Here's the recordings of the two

26:36

of them talking in Nineteen Eighty

26:38

Four. No ceiling speaks first. And

26:42

you know that you've done some things

26:45

wrong, who have committed some crimes, you

26:47

have committed some robberies and are willing

26:49

to pay for that right? I'm willing

26:51

to stand up and face but at

26:54

what I have done and done. This

26:57

behind me. That.

26:59

Never disclosed we're he picked up

27:01

Gregory Hill. He

27:03

later said in an interview the didn't

27:06

want anyone. To be charged with

27:08

harboring fugitives. It.

27:10

Wasn't the only time he. Used his

27:12

airplane. A woman's have

27:15

been evading arrest. For five years wanted

27:17

in connection with two murders. Call.

27:20

To us and said she was ready to

27:22

surrender. If he could help her

27:24

see her children one more time. Less

27:27

agreed. He flew her style

27:29

of them. He

27:31

later told Ebony Magazine. And

27:34

sitting there realizing that has taken

27:36

the suited as across. The Moon.

27:38

but for state lines? The.

27:42

Wilson saw her children. And

27:44

then returned to Chicago and turned

27:46

herself in. According

27:49

to Public defender Mary Jane Place,

27:51

it. Was. Keys

27:53

People the dignity of a

27:55

right to surrender. He

27:58

could bring in somebody. Did.

28:03

The worst crime

28:05

imaginable. And

28:08

still respect to humanness of

28:11

that tours. And

28:14

still, in fact, That.

28:18

The system. To treat dead

28:21

person as it did in

28:23

his compact were did citizens.

28:27

I need to ninety two when

28:29

more than one hundred people had

28:31

surrendered standing over soon. He

28:34

was seated on A B C's person of the we.

28:37

Are very proud of yourself. How does

28:39

it feel to be for some of

28:41

the with who I am proud of?

28:44

That But I must say that I'm

28:46

not proud of So young men go

28:48

to jail or not proud of seeing

28:50

the murder and ridiculous senseless killings of

28:52

Happen and company the have has supported

28:55

happen won't have to happen just about.

28:57

Own cynicism minutes ago,

28:59

and it's sad it's

29:01

unfortunate for. Those

29:03

things are happening. Ah, I've

29:06

always said. And. Trying to

29:08

convince them to. Come in

29:10

and stop doing this. I use

29:12

one philosophy and that is authentic

29:14

can emerging as better than any

29:16

kind of dying and they respond

29:18

to that some time, but it's

29:20

still so. Hard

29:23

winter and to see a young man eighteen or

29:25

nineteen years old and most of them have been

29:27

teenagers. To see them ruff through a door when

29:29

you know the said never come out against. Three

29:33

years after that interview. Was

29:35

feeling retired. He

29:37

was Chicago and moved to rural. Michigan

29:39

a town called Papa. His.

29:43

Colleagues we spoke with for the

29:45

story: Cameron and Can Bedford reporter

29:47

Charles Thomas and producer Pat Arnold.

29:50

All this is in their. Glass.

29:53

Ceiling died in two thousand and nineteen. He

29:56

was ninety sauce. The.

29:58

Entire city. Feals

30:00

in absence because

30:02

reporters like Rush

30:05

Ewing. Don't happen anymore.

30:08

I'm Russ was this. Older.

30:13

Gray. Haired, receding

30:15

hairline, somewhat disheveled

30:17

guy who. Wasn't

30:21

about. Slash. And.

30:24

Dash. Reporters.

30:26

Today are wearing this company logo

30:28

rest would have on an old

30:31

trenchcoat. I

30:33

think we all miss that kind of reporter

30:35

to go. They were real. And

30:38

they did real stories. As

30:41

certainly miss him. He

30:44

represented an error. Has

30:46

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