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The Demon Spread

Released Friday, 21st June 2024
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treat, cure, or prevent any disease. In

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1866, a 49-year-old

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French chemist entered a contest.

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The contest was hosted by the French government under

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the leadership of Napoleon III, the nephew of

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worried that if France was attacked and had

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butter. They

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the Paris World Exhibition to create an

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affordable butter substitute. Historian and

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food writer April White, the

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chemist who entered the contest, had

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already won another prize for improving

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a common syphilis drug. He

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then got interested in producers

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to get a license if they wanted to sell

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it. And

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it was being enforced. A

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butter and cheese detective started sneaking into

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grocery stores to see what was going

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on. In

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1911, brothers Joseph and Tony

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Worth were sent to Leavenworth

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Federal Penitentiary in Kansas for

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illegal oleomarjor in commerce. Dairy

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producers were happy. People

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kept buying butter. Why

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did the dairy industry have this

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sway? I mean, forcing

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people to buy a product that was

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maybe more expensive. Well,

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you really had the dairy industry being

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an important economic engine for a lot

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of states in the country. And I'm

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particularly thinking of Wisconsin. And Wisconsin

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at this point is sort of

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transitioning from being a state that

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was largely producing wheat to a

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state that has got lots and

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lots of cows. We

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have a lot of rolling

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hills and rolling fields. Jenny

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Peak is a journalist and a

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lifelong Midwesterner. You

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know, I've always said that my favorite

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state in the country is Wisconsin. Why

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is that? I mean, I've just, I've

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always left Wisconsin. I

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like northern Wisconsin. I even like the middle of

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Wisconsin. Wisconsin

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is the number two nationwide milk

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producer, and we generate 2.44 billion

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pounds of milk per month. I'm

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trying to guess who number one is. Can I try to

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guess? Do you know? Oh, you

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know what? I don't know. Who do you think

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it is? I think it's probably California. Oh,

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I was gonna say Iowa. You

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think California. It

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turns out it is California.

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They overtook Wisconsin as the country's biggest

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dairy producer in the 90s. I

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think it has to just do with how

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big California is. It's not fair to compete

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with that. I bet the quality's not that

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big. That could. Back

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in the late 1800s, Wisconsin,

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along with 23 other states,

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passed laws that restricted the production

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and sale of margarine. There

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was a lot of focus on its color. And

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the idea was you were trying to create

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fake butter if it was yellow. So

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you could not dye your oleo margarine,

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which is white when it is produced.

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You could not dye it yellow. Now,

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the sort of ironic thing about that is

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that butter itself was dyed yellow so that

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it would be a consistent color over the

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course of the year. And

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dairy producers insisted that only butter

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could be yellow. In

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some states, including Vermont and New Hampshire,

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margarine had to be dyed pink to

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be as unappealing as possible. In

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Wisconsin, margarine had to be white.

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One of my favorite kind of

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references to it in an old

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historical paper is that it was

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a corpse-like white, which makes it

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sound very unappealing. And

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it was in an attempt to really

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encourage people to buy butter

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because nobody wanted that

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white substance. Did

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you have margarine or butter growing up

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on your table? As

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dairy farmers, we would not think

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about having margarine anywhere in the

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house. It was blasphemous

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to even talk about it. Jerry

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Aps was born in 1934 and

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worked for 30 years as a professor

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of agriculture at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

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He grew up on a small farm in

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central Wisconsin. We had about

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15 cows that we milked.

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And of course, we milked those 15 cows

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by hand. My dad and I did the milking twice

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a day for 365 days a year. We

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finally got electricity in 1947. And

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at that time, we got a milking. milking

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machine and doubled the

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herd size and lessened

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the hand milking time.

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Jerry's parents were firmly

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anti-margarine. I don't remember

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knowing anybody, except

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maybe some of our city relatives,

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bless their economic

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hearts, who would

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have margarine. I knew no farmer.

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Did you ever have to go and visit those

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relatives in the city and would they try to

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serve you margarine? No,

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they knew better than that. It

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was sort of like in the same category

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as, you didn't

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discuss religion with your relatives much

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either. And sometimes if you knew

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where they stood on politics, you

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avoided that. And in the same

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way, you avoided

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