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treat, cure, or prevent any disease. In
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1866, a 49-year-old
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French chemist entered a contest.
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The contest was hosted by the French government under
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the leadership of Napoleon III, the nephew of
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Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon
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III had started the contest because he
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was worried. He was
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worried that if France was attacked and had
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to go to war, they might run out of
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butter. They
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had a prize that was offered at
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the Paris World Exhibition to create an
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affordable butter substitute. Historian and
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food writer April White, the
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chemist who entered the contest, had
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already won another prize for improving
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a common syphilis drug. He
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then got interested in producers
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to get a license if they wanted to sell
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it. And
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it was being enforced. A
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butter and cheese detective started sneaking into
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grocery stores to see what was going
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on. In
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1911, brothers Joseph and Tony
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Worth were sent to Leavenworth
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Federal Penitentiary in Kansas for
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illegal oleomarjor in commerce. Dairy
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producers were happy. People
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kept buying butter. Why
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did the dairy industry have this
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sway? I mean, forcing
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people to buy a product that was
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maybe more expensive. Well,
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you really had the dairy industry being
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an important economic engine for a lot
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of states in the country. And I'm
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particularly thinking of Wisconsin. And Wisconsin
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at this point is sort of
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transitioning from being a state that
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was largely producing wheat to a
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state that has got lots and
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lots of cows. We
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have a lot of rolling
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hills and rolling fields. Jenny
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Peak is a journalist and a
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lifelong Midwesterner. You
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know, I've always said that my favorite
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state in the country is Wisconsin. Why
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is that? I mean, I've just, I've
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always left Wisconsin. I
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like northern Wisconsin. I even like the middle of
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Wisconsin. Wisconsin
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is the number two nationwide milk
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producer, and we generate 2.44 billion
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pounds of milk per month. I'm
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trying to guess who number one is. Can I try to
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guess? Do you know? Oh, you
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know what? I don't know. Who do you think
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it is? I think it's probably California. Oh,
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I was gonna say Iowa. You
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think California. It
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turns out it is California.
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They overtook Wisconsin as the country's biggest
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dairy producer in the 90s. I
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think it has to just do with how
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big California is. It's not fair to compete
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with that. I bet the quality's not that
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big. That could. Back
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in the late 1800s, Wisconsin,
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along with 23 other states,
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passed laws that restricted the production
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and sale of margarine. There
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was a lot of focus on its color. And
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the idea was you were trying to create
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fake butter if it was yellow. So
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you could not dye your oleo margarine,
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which is white when it is produced.
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You could not dye it yellow. Now,
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the sort of ironic thing about that is
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that butter itself was dyed yellow so that
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it would be a consistent color over the
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course of the year. And
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dairy producers insisted that only butter
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could be yellow. In
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some states, including Vermont and New Hampshire,
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margarine had to be dyed pink to
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be as unappealing as possible. In
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Wisconsin, margarine had to be white.
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One of my favorite kind of
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references to it in an old
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historical paper is that it was
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a corpse-like white, which makes it
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sound very unappealing. And
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it was in an attempt to really
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encourage people to buy butter
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because nobody wanted that
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white substance. Did
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you have margarine or butter growing up
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on your table? As
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dairy farmers, we would not think
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about having margarine anywhere in the
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house. It was blasphemous
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to even talk about it. Jerry
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Aps was born in 1934 and
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worked for 30 years as a professor
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of agriculture at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
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He grew up on a small farm in
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central Wisconsin. We had about
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15 cows that we milked.
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And of course, we milked those 15 cows
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by hand. My dad and I did the milking twice
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a day for 365 days a year. We
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finally got electricity in 1947. And
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at that time, we got a milking. milking
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machine and doubled the
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herd size and lessened
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the hand milking time.
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Jerry's parents were firmly
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anti-margarine. I don't remember
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knowing anybody, except
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maybe some of our city relatives,
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bless their economic
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hearts, who would
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have margarine. I knew no farmer.
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Did you ever have to go and visit those
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relatives in the city and would they try to
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serve you margarine? No,
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they knew better than that. It
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was sort of like in the same category
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as, you didn't
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discuss religion with your relatives much
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either. And sometimes if you knew
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where they stood on politics, you
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avoided that. And in the same
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way, you avoided
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getting into a big argument about what's
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