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Welcome to Criminalia, a production
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of Shonda Land Audio in partnership
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with I Heart Radio. Hello,
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and welcome to the third season of Criminalia. This
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season, we're exploring the lives and motivations
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of some of the most notorious impostors
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throughout history. I'm Maria tre Marquis
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and I'm Holly Fry. Okay,
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his full name was Imperative Nero
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Claudius Divy Claudius Philius
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Caesar Augustus Germanicus. But
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we're actually talking about the impostor
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Nero Claudius Divvy Claudius, Philius
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Caesar, Augustus Germanicus. And
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that's times three. It's a busy
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episode, it is, and it's a good thing. You have to
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read that times three. Polly's
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right, there are three documented
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pseudo neuros, and it's
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very likely there were many others who weren't
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successful enough to make it into the
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legend. Taking on the story of Nero is
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really it's really quite a big task, and
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to know why people pretended to be him,
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we need to know him. But I also
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want to give everybody a quick heads up here that
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it won't be a surprise. Really, I think in the
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realm of Roman rulers. But there's
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going to be some domestic violence in this
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episode. We're not going to linger over any of
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it, but there is some mentioned.
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There is some brutality, particularly the first
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couple of minutes after our first sponsor
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break. On December
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fift in the year thirty seven of the Common
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era, the man that we most commonly
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know as Nero was born as Lucius
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Dimidius Ahina Barbus. That's
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the son of Nius Dimidius A. Hino Barbus
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and Julia Agrippina also known
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as Agrippina the Younger. Through
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his mother, Lucius was the only living
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direct male descendant of Emperor Augustus,
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the first of the five Roman emperors,
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in the year forty eight, when he was still quite
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young and still called Lucius. Nero's
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biological father, who was a Roman
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general and politician, died soon
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after Emperor Claudius took the own. Julia
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and Claudius, who was her uncle, married
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Now I know uncle, but marriage
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in Roman times, as we've previously
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talked about, wasn't really how we know
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it to be today. It was almost never romantic,
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and it was almost always an agreement
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between families, and unlike in our
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modern society. Sometimes that agreement was
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within families. So after
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this marriage, Claudius adopted Lucius,
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and that is when Julia began to campaign
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that her son should be the successor to
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the throne, not Claudius's
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biological son Britannicus, who was
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the rightful heir. Not yet finished
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with her plans for their family, Julia also
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convinced Claudius that his daughter Octavia
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should marry her son, which also
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helped align Lucius with the throne. Those
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two were in fact married in the year fifty
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Claudius died just a few years later,
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in the year fifty four, and it is widely
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and I'm using a huge capital letters
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on that suspected that his
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wife, Julia had poisoned him
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with shrooms at a banquet. And so if
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this sounds familiar, we've actually talked about
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Julia before. Back in our very
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first season, we looked at the stories of
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female poisoners, and one of the first
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poisoners that we talked about was, in
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fact Julia and her mushrooms.
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In a very ambitious cocktail involving
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infusing vodka
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with mushrooms. It was a great idea. Still make
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it for bloody Mary exactly Upon
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the Emperor's death, Nero delivered
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a eulogy in Claudius's honor to the
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Senate, who then named him Emperor
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of Rome. This was the moment when Lucius
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became Nero, and Lucius took the
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name Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus
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Germanicus, and he ascended to the
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throne on October, just
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shy of his seventeenth birthday. I
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think a lot of people would be surprised
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by this, because what we know, or
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think we know about Nero is that
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he was a tyrant. But when he
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started out, Nero actually wasn't described
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that way. Nero was a teenager, he
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was considered sense to historians
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contemporary to him, such as Sutonius,
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described him as handsome, with blue gray
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eyes, freckles, and blonde hair, specifically
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the yellow of the lion's mane. His
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hair color, though, is it's actually a bit debated.
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Many accounts referred to his blonde hair,
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but based off of some portraits of
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the emperor, some experts wonder
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if his hair actually may have been a little more red
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in color. He also had a beard, and
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although he may have tried, it
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did not cover up his double
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chin, so this is all important
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information if you have a plan on pretending
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to be calm. Nero. So this
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teenager who was possibly a strawberry
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blonde, but liked going to the theater, and
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he also enjoyed music, and he loved horse
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racing. As emperor, he established
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and performed in poetry, drama,
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and athletic competitions. He
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also ended secret political trials,
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and he created a more independent senate.
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He also banned capital punishment. Despite
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whether the senate a rooved of him or not, his people
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actually liked him at this point. There
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is actually some pro Nero evidence out
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there. So he started out quite well, but
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unfortunately that did not last. When
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Nero began his rule, he actually
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preferred to stick to his own interests.
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He preferred to leave the ruling of matters outside
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of his areas of interest to his three chief
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advisors, a major philosophical
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figure of the time, Seneca who was
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also his former tutor, Sextis
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Eprinus Burris, who was
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a prefect of the Praetorian Guard,
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and Julia, who we know was his
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mother. Julia, wrote historian
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Cassius Dio quote, managed
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for him all the business of the empire.
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She received embassies and sent letter
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to various communities, governors, and
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kings. After a falling
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out of some sort, though or perhaps
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it was just that Nero reached the age of eighteen,
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he eventually decided his mother was meddling
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and he did not want her influencing his
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rule. Encouraged by his former
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tutor Seneca, Nero began asserting
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himself. Julia assumed she was
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entitled to rule as the mother of an
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emperor, though, and she began threatening
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Nero. Nero, though, was completely
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unfazed. The Emperor Trajan,
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who came to power thirty years after Nero's
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death, is said to have spoken about the quinquinium
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neronis, which means the five good
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years of Nero's fourteen year rule. There's
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actually a phrase about it. We're
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going to take a break for a word from our sponsor.
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Nero may have started out strong,
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but things changed quickly. Welcome
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back to Criminalia. Now
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we are reaching that time we spoke of at
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the top of the show, when Nero's rule became
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brutal and violent. It most certainly
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did, and after dispensing with his
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advisors, the empire became
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violent under him. Rumors
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circulated about him, including everything
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from how he sedue married
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women to how he wandered the streets
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at night looking for people to beat or
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to kill at random.
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Nero was at this point considered to be decadent,
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ineffectual, and tyrannical. He
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began executing rivals, political
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rivals, or otherwise so do not cross
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him, and he started
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to torture and execute Christians. Nero
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two had also developed quite a not
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at all random hit list. It was
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also in fifty five that Nero's
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stepbrother, Britannicus, suddenly
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died under suspicious circumstances.
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Four years later, in the year fifty nine,
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after learning his mother was allegedly
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plotting against him, Nero put a
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hit on her. First,
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the plan was to poison her. Then it
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was to have her crushed by a falling
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ceiling, which seems very labor
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intensive, but they all do. Then
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he wanted to have her drowned in a self sinking boat.
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She survived every single
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attempt. Julia did not, however,
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survived, being stabbed to death, a murder
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disguised as suicide at the order of her
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son. Then, in the year sixty
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two, Nero exiled then
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executed his stepsister slash
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wife Octavia historian Suetonius
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wrote that quote. After several vain attempts
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to strangle her, he divorced her on the
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ground of barrenness, and when the people took
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it ill and openly reproached him, he
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banished her besides, and
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finally he had her put to death on a charge
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of adultery that was so shameless
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and unfounded. With Octavia
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gone, Nero married Papaia,
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who was a noble woman who was well known
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for her beauty. Roman historian
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Tacitus recorded that in sixty five,
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Nero kicked Papia to death. She
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was pregnant with their child at the
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time. Tacitus went on to
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describe the act as and were quoting
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him here a casual outburst
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of rage. In April of
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the year sixty four, a Roman governor
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named Gaius Julius Decks renounced
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Nero. The Praetorian Guard
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remember that is the force that was charged
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with guarding the emperor himself, renounced
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their support for him as well. When
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the Romans finally had enough of Nero's behavior,
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they revolted. By early June,
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the Senate declared Nero an enemy
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of the people, which basically
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meant that anyone could kill him without
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punishment. Tacitus wrote at the time,
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and we're gonna quote him again. Unlucky
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birds settled on the capitol houses
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fell in numerous earthquakes, and the
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week were trampled by the fleeing crowd.
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Nero escaped to the country, where
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on June nine he
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died by suicide. He did not manage
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this on his own, though his secretary
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at Paphroditos assisted him.
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Nero was the fifth Emperor of Rome and,
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following his death, the last in the
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Julio Claudian dynasty. The
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line is synonymous with the death of Nero,
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but it actually wasn't until fifty years after
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that that historians sweeked Oinous reported
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that his final words were quote
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what an artist dies in me. Political
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impostors, as we've seen this season,
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often pop up when they see a specific
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circumstance happening. A power
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vacuum, for example, the death
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of an emperor who had no heir,
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such as Nero, left the door wide
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open for people to make all sorts
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of claims. Claims to being his
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heir, claims to being the emperor himself,
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more and more claims. I'm sure The
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year sixty nine was known as the
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year of four Emperors, and it was named
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because four emperors ruled Rome
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in rapid succession that year. They
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were galba Otho, Vitelius,
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and Vespasian. None of those men
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were impostors, but this is when the impostors
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started to come forward. Nero
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may have been a tyrant, which
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actually may be attractive to some impersonators,
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but most of all, he was just a
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powerful man, for better or for worse.
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He ruled over the entire Roman Empire
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for fourteen years. According
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to the Glaudian census that took place in
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the year forty seven, the population
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was just under seven million people.
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The Roman Empire was really something to behold,
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and it's hard to know just how
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accurate that number really is.
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There was biased recording, for sure,
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and we also don't know whether or
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not the count over the years was limited to
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male citizens, male citizens and their
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families, or maybe it included women,
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freed men, enslaved people, anybody
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else. Either way, we do know he
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ruled over a huge amount of people.
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Even just scratching the surface, Nero's
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rule was, let's call it turbulent,
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but there were some really momentous
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and historically significant events, both good
11:45
and bad, mostly bad during
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his reign, the Great Fire of Rome,
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which some actually claimed that Nero ignited
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the rebellion of Buddhica against the Roman
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conquerors of Britain, the assassination
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of Nero's mother and his first and second
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wives, many many other deaths,
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of course, and as is synonymous
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with Nero's brand, there was extravagant
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excess and that meant tax
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increases and other unpopular
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decisions. With that snapshot
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of the man who was Nero, why
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would anyone ever really want to pretend to be
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him? We're going to find out. We're
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going to take a break for a word from our sponsor,
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and when we're back where you're going to first talk
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about Nero as the Antichrist.
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Welcome back to Criminalia. Why
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would anyone want to be Nero? Well
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maybe power, money,
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murder at think list goes on sure
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murder if you wanted to do that, do you want to call
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it that? Despite his marriages
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and lovers, Nero had no
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air so almost immediately following
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his death, rival generals began
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moving their troops toward Rome to stake
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they claims, and it also didn't
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take long before people pretending to be
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Nero appeared, according to historian
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sweet Tony, as several imperial edicts
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were forged under Nero's name after
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he had died, and with new
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evidence who did these forgeries.
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The signing of those documents actually encouraged
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Nero's followers, who believed a very
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persistent prophecy Nero's
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return was imminent to avenge himself
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against his enemies. Please let
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me have a prophecy like this when I passed. This
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idea of Nero's return was a
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very popular one. In addition
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to avenging himself against his enemies,
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there was also a belief that was known as
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the Nero read of Eva's. That was a
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legend that assumed that Nero
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was somehow still alive.
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Depending on who you were and where you sat
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in society, this would have been either
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a good or bad prediction. The
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wealthy, who had plotted against him kind
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of feared that if Nero returned, he would come
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for them first. It's kind of part of that avenging
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himself against his enemies thing. The
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poor, who had benefited from the emperor's
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public policies believed that he had fled to Parthia.
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Today, that's the region known as Corazon
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in Iran. They are in
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the seat of an enemy empire. He
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would have been welcome to build an army to
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destroy not just his enemies, but all
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of Rome. I'm sure that
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he would have too, because it seems like
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he was just into destruction. So there's
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another thing going on here. We
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mentioned earlier that Nero really
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seemed to enjoy his
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torture of Christians, and Christianity
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was still new in the first century, and
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among the Christians who suffered
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terrible religious persecution under his rule,
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it was believed Nero was the personification
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of the Antichrist, as described
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in the Book of Revelations in the New Testament
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of the Christian Bible. They believed for
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centuries, and I believe I read it was into
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the fifth century, maybe the sixth
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century. It was a two hundred years that
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Nero would return to destroy Christianity.
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Today, scholars find it debatable
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whether Emperor Nero was ever portrayed
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or in some way characterized in the Bible,
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and they typically agree that the description
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of the Antichrist in Revelations thirteen
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is really not similar enough to Nero's
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legacy to prove or suggest anything.
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Nero impostors began to appear just a
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month or two after his death, and continued
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until the reign of Emperor Demisian
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began. The first of the men,
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known as a pseudo Nero, appeared in
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sixty We don't know his name,
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but what we do know is that he appeared in what
15:37
is modern day Greece. It's speculated
15:39
by some historians that this first impostor
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decided to appear in Greece based on a
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trip that Nero had taken a few
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years prior. It is said
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that Nero absolutely loved Greece,
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which was then part of Imperial Rome, and
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he took part in several Greek festivals.
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The year that he visited, he took home
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a rumored eight hundred eight
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breaths of victory for his artistic presentations.
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Listen, I'm creative. That's a lot to churn
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out. He should be very proud.
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Nero also competed in the chariot
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races, which he also won,
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even though he fell from his chariot.
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Nero wins. Nero always wins.
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But does the fake Nero win? It's
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hard to know. The historian Tacitus
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wrote that this first fake
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Nero could have been an enslaved person
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from Pontus which is located in
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what's modern day Eastern
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Black Sea region of Turkey or
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Tacit is considered the man may
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have been a freedman from Italy. In
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other writings, because the first
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pseudo Nero appeared in Greece, he
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attributed the whole impostor problem
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too, and I'm going to quote him the gullibility
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of the Greeks got to get a jab
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in. I know common Tacitus
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and Tacitus had more to say about the
16:56
not Nero. It is through
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Tacitus that we know this fake Nero was
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appealing to Roman soldiers to become
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part of his own growing armed forces,
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and Tacitus was onto something. The
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first pseudo Nero was able to convince
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a group of army deserters to join up
17:12
with him, believing that he was the real Nero,
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and this group set sail, and then this pseudo
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Nero began his career in piracy.
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The pseudo Nero's motley group, actually,
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though, was blown by a storm to an
17:26
island off the coast of modern day Greece.
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It's here where his crew first
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began acting like pirates.
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They stole from businesses, they even stole
17:35
from other pirate crews. They were known
17:37
for kidnapping the locals. The
17:39
Romans benefited from piracy during the first
17:41
century, though from a Nero impostor
17:43
or otherwise, so this actually
17:45
wasn't a bad plan for our Not Nero
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pirates supplied the empire with
17:50
all kinds of things, but mostly
17:52
people they had kidnapped and enslave.
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During this time, piracy spread through the Mediterranean
17:58
and that became a problem
18:00
for a lot of reasons, but mainly because
18:02
pirate ships made waterways hard
18:04
or even impossible to navigate,
18:07
and that caused a stop or
18:09
slow in trade. And because of
18:11
the pirates proclivity to steal, then
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supplies grew scarce. And I feel like
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I just came full circle here. But hires
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the in the Mediterranean, it's a self
18:21
perpetuating system.
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According to records of naval captains
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at the time, it was Roman senator Lucius
18:28
a Supernus who finally ended
18:30
this ruse. He ordered his soldiers
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to storm the ship and kill the
18:34
pseudo Nero, and when the impostor
18:37
was apprehended, he was beheaded. The
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first pseudo Nero, though never broke
18:42
character and never stopped
18:44
using the name Nero. I couldn't
18:46
find this, but I hope that he used
18:49
the name pirate Nero instead
18:52
of emperor in this particular situation,
18:54
but I will never know, so we have to
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wait like ten years for the
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second notable Nero imposter to come
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on the scene. The second pseudo Nero appeared
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during the reign of Titus, who was emperor
19:06
from seventy nine to eighty
19:08
one, and this not Nero was a man
19:10
named Tarenthius Maximus, who was a
19:12
Roman citizen. Almost certain
19:15
that was the case, a few things
19:17
in Tarentius's story get a little jumbled
19:20
with time, though. He is,
19:22
although infrequently, described as
19:24
resembling an Asian man, so this
19:26
would mean Central Asian in this case. It's
19:29
written that some of his first supporters
19:31
were from Asian regions, and the Roman
19:33
Empire extended into Asian regions
19:35
at this point. Specifically, we're talking
19:37
about the area that was once called Asia Minor
19:40
and is now modern day Turkey. It's
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written he resembled Nero in appearance
19:44
that at least a bit, and perhaps a
19:47
bit in his manner of speaking too, and
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as the pretend emperor he as
19:52
Nero was known to do, also sang
19:54
and enjoyed playing the lyre, which is basically
19:57
a small U shaped harp, although
19:59
they still the time period. He was probably
20:02
playing the satara, which is a
20:04
heavy wooden instrument with four to like
20:07
seven strings, and it's really similar
20:09
to the liar. Aside from playing
20:11
music, Tarentius had big plans
20:14
as a second pseudo Nero. Tarentius
20:16
is a pretender who did have real followers,
20:18
and quite a lot of them, actually spreading across
20:21
the Euphrates to Parthia.
20:23
His followers grew large enough that he actually
20:25
led a rebellion, but that was quickly suppressed
20:28
by Titus's forces. Ultimately,
20:31
he was given refuge by Roman rival
20:33
are Tobanus, the third of Parthia, but
20:36
he was executed when his true identity
20:38
was revealed. And here
20:40
we are with our third and
20:42
final impostor. The third
20:45
pseudo Nero appeared twenty yet
20:47
twenty years after the real
20:49
nero is death. He maybe twenty years
20:52
closer to modern times, but we know
20:54
the least about this fake Nero.
20:57
He arrived on the scene during the reign
20:59
of Misian, the Roman emperor
21:02
from eight one to ninety six. He
21:04
was actually just chiefly known for his reign of terror.
21:06
This not Nero was from Parthia
21:09
and was backed by the Parthians and the
21:11
leaders of the Parthian Empire. The
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Empire was a major political and cultural
21:15
power in ancient Iran between two
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hundred forty seven b c. Two
21:21
e. The Parthian Empire and the Romans,
21:23
first as the Roman Republic and then as the Roman
21:26
Empire ward for if itally
21:28
it all up roughly seven hundred
21:30
years. The Parthian Empire
21:33
stood in the way of the Roman Empire's desire
21:35
for eastern expansion, but that
21:38
dynasty was a superpower in its own
21:40
right. The Empire stretched from the Mediterranean
21:42
to India, roughly the region
21:44
located in northeastern Iran
21:46
today. They didn't just fight and
21:49
win battles against Rome. They were
21:51
also successful at their commercial
21:53
endeavors. Among other things, they acted
21:55
as intermediaries between Chinese
21:57
growers and Roman manufacturers
21:59
on law the Silk Road. So the third
22:01
fake Nero was successfully
22:03
able to convince a large number of people
22:06
throughout both the Parthian and Roman empires
22:09
that he was actually Nero returned.
22:11
Remember, a lot of them believed this prophecy. They
22:13
were ready for a Nero to show up exactly
22:16
ultimately as the other pseudo
22:18
Neros. This Nero too disappeared
22:21
by execution, possibly
22:24
as he was a party in pretending to be a Roman.
22:26
But here's the sort of disappointing part.
22:29
History doesn't leave us that answer. We don't
22:31
know what actually happened to him. It's like a
22:33
choose your inn adventure. You can make it up yourself,
22:36
which reminds me that sometimes you make
22:39
choose your own adventure. Cocktails
22:41
and mocktails, and you probably don't have one today,
22:43
but I would love to hear about what you do have. I hear
22:45
there's more than one. There's more than one because
22:47
there's a chooser and adventure sort of, but
22:51
not for the mock tail. The mocktail is very simple.
22:54
Here is where I started thinking
22:56
about what we would do as
22:59
a doneiro, which is what I'm just going to call
23:01
this one because I really love that phrase. Recently,
23:04
on another podcast, I Do Stuff You Missed in
23:06
History Class, we talked about dire Coquinadia,
23:09
which is the first known cookbook and its
23:11
recipes from the first to the
23:14
fourth centuries that were
23:16
combined by someone
23:18
possibly named a pick Us in the early
23:21
you know stages of our history. Anyway,
23:24
the pick U says it's known has some
23:26
good recipes for drinks, and
23:29
so I went to it first. There are
23:31
a couple of recipes it has, and I want
23:33
to get credit for not doing the path
23:36
and easy to predict for me
23:38
thing but I wanted to which
23:40
is rose wine. This
23:44
is not the drink for today, but if you're curious,
23:46
it involves like collecting fresh
23:49
rose petals and then you steep them in wine
23:51
for like seven days, and then you strain it and you
23:53
steep it for another seven days and it
23:55
I didn't have twenty one days to do the whole
23:58
process. But also
24:00
has a recipe for violet
24:03
wine, and that sounded
24:05
yummy and delicious, and again I didn't feel
24:07
like steeping flowers in wine. But
24:09
I have a workaround that makes it quick and easy,
24:12
and that is violet syrup. And if
24:14
you have never had this, it is a majestic
24:17
addition to your kitchen. You will start
24:19
putting it in everything. It goes great on everything
24:21
from ice cream into ginger ales
24:23
into like even
24:26
some teas mixed with a violet
24:28
syrup are very beautiful. I just love it. So
24:30
for the mocktail pseudo neuro, you're
24:33
going to start with three quarters of an ounce
24:35
of violet syrup. I didn't go more than
24:37
that because that is another syrup that will
24:39
really start to overwhelm. And as I like
24:41
to say, drive the bus, you're gonna get flower
24:43
tastes with three quarters of an ounce, I promise you, and
24:46
then throw that in a glass with ice,
24:48
add about five ounces of cranberry
24:51
juice. I like to go with a low sugar cranberry
24:53
juice because the violet syrup tends to be very
24:56
sweet. Um, so a low or
24:58
no sugar added is a great option here.
25:00
And then a splash of lime juice just
25:02
to balance that all out. And then
25:04
you can garnish it with a lime wedge if you want,
25:07
or a violet if you have one on hand. And
25:09
it's just very refreshing and beautiful
25:11
and you get that lovely, lovely floral flavor.
25:14
But also you know, the cranberry adds its own
25:16
element to it and it's very very yummy.
25:18
So that is the pseudo nero.
25:21
Um. There are two alcoholic
25:24
options. One
25:26
is very simple, it's basically this exact
25:29
recipe that we did in the mocktail. And then you're just
25:31
gonna add one to one
25:34
point five ounces of a vodka. I
25:36
know, that's predictable. But this at this point, you
25:38
have a floral vodka cranberry, right
25:40
like, which is a fun way to
25:42
twist up a vodka cran and make it
25:44
a little bit something special. Also, you
25:46
know it. You can vary the amount
25:49
in any of these of spirit that you add
25:51
depending on on how strong you want to drink to
25:53
be. Remember, one point five
25:55
ounces is about as high as you want to go by
25:57
most bartending regulation
26:00
and standards, drink responsibly. The
26:02
other alcoholic option, though, is a
26:04
little bit different and more involved,
26:06
because as you remember, this whole thing started thinking
26:08
about wine, it's a very common
26:11
drink in Rome. They often
26:13
drank water down wine like people.
26:15
It's kind of that thing where people are like, oh, they drink
26:17
all the time. Well it was kind of watered down. It was like they're
26:19
they're standard bevrage as I like
26:22
to say, to be silly. So this
26:24
one is gonna have very similar
26:27
DNA, but it starts instead
26:30
with three ounces of ruby ports.
26:32
And I like this because you can put a ruby port over
26:34
a little bit of ice. It's fine. It doesn't follow
26:36
those don't involve ice rules that that
26:38
some wines will um. And
26:41
I would add to that one point five ounces
26:43
of that low sugar cranberry juice because it brightens
26:46
it up. The ruby port is very heavy. Naturally,
26:48
you're gonna also do your three quarters of an
26:50
ounce of violet syrup in your splash of lime,
26:52
garnish it with the violet or a lime
26:55
whichever you prefer. To give it a little stir
26:57
before you put the garnish it. It is so
26:59
shockingly yummy. It is much heavier
27:01
because that port is just naturally going to be heavier,
27:04
but it's a very fun one. You can pretend you're
27:07
a modern Roman, I guess,
27:09
and you can be like, oh, yes, I
27:12
I'm practically cooking from
27:14
a picky use. I'm fancy
27:17
really, which is you know the street cred
27:19
that you want to throw out at a party
27:21
use? Yeah, I do. Some people
27:23
do, and that's fabulous. But those
27:26
are your options. So it also I kind
27:28
of wanted to do three separate options for
27:30
the three pseudo neuros, so
27:32
I'm glad that you did. I bet they appreciate
27:34
that. Whether you are a drinker
27:37
or no, whether you want to go a
27:39
little harder in flavor with the port
27:42
or keep it a softer, summery
27:45
vodka cran with a flower flavor. You
27:47
have all the options you can imagine,
27:49
and I hope one of those delights you and you
27:51
enjoy it and it adds to your
27:54
We're now kind of middle to end
27:56
of summer at this point, everyone could use
27:58
a refreshing libation. Yes,
28:03
thank you for spending some more time with
28:05
us this week. We feel so lucky every time you do.
28:08
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28:10
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