Lori and Leila get personal and seek advice from two experts — including the mother of all guests

Special guests:Dr. Jennifer Nash, author of Birthing Black Mothershttps://twitter.com/pornoscholar https://www.dukeupress.edu/birthing-black-mothers

Dr. Katherine Fennelly, author of Family, Declassified (AKA Leila's mom)https://www.katherinefennelly.com/

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Topic: Motherhood/Unmotherhood

Leila is binging The Guardian's series on Black women and infertilityhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/the-great-fertility-divide

Loris is cringing at foster parents who don't want to give back the babyhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/23/foster-family-biological-parents-adoption-intervenors

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Dallas DL Engram created our theme songhttps://soundcloud.com/dadollars