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out Boston

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cop John O'Keefe is dead the

0:33

Commonwealth of Massachusetts aims its

0:36

target on his girlfriend Karen

0:38

Reed and seems to do everything

0:40

it can to guarantee a

0:42

conviction. Dr. Turtle

0:44

Boy amps up his reporting and

0:47

becomes a vocal part of defending

0:49

Karen Reed while getting himself into

0:51

legal trouble and eventually jail then

0:55

the lead Massachusetts state

0:57

police investigator Michael

0:59

Proctor under federal investigation

1:01

himself takes the stand as

1:04

he displays a bias toward

1:07

making sure Karen Reed

1:09

goes down for murder. My

1:12

name is M. William Phelps I'm

1:15

an investigative journalist in the true crime

1:17

author of close to 50 books I've

1:19

dedicated the past 20 years of my

1:22

life to helping families of the missing

1:24

and murdered. Join me for

1:26

part two of the Karen Reed

1:28

case we're crossing the line

1:41

you're in the course of your investigation your

1:43

figures of speech including the

1:45

following she's

1:47

a bitch section yes

1:52

a wet job correct yes

1:54

a retard right yes

1:57

balloon knot lease right Yes.

2:00

No ass, correct? Yes.

2:02

She's fucked according to you,

2:04

right? Yes. Ass

2:06

leaker. That was a word you used at Figured

2:08

Speaks, right? Correct. A

2:10

girl who shits herself, right? Correct.

2:13

And then fuck her, correct? Correct.

2:19

Would you agree, Trooper Proctor, that you have

2:22

dehumanized Karen Reed

2:25

during the course of your investigation with comments

2:27

and words like this? Yes. I'll

2:30

give you this one, Mr. Jackson. Do

2:32

you agree with that? I'd

2:35

say based off that language, um...

2:44

Yes. And you admitted, in your

2:47

own words, that

2:49

the cop homeowner wasn't going to, quote, catch any

2:52

shit, right? Correct.

2:55

Because you were out to, quote, make

2:58

this cut and dry. Isn't that right? The

3:01

homeowner wasn't going to catch any shit because Mr.

3:03

Elba had nothing to do with Mr. O'Keefe's death.

3:06

Because you were going to make sure that the

3:08

case was cut and dry. Those were your works,

3:10

right? Correct. Sustained. And,

3:13

Trooper Proctor, it would be far

3:15

easier, far easier for you to

3:18

pin it on the girl who's

3:22

just a whack-job cunt. In

3:24

your words, who you

3:26

hope just kills herself,

3:29

right? Jackson. Sustained.

3:37

Shame on you, sir. I

3:41

think I want to start off by

3:43

saying what's important in the Karen Reed

3:45

case is something we rarely

3:48

talk about within murder trials.

3:50

The everyday business of life, how

3:53

we respond to those around us,

3:56

and how we ultimately treat others

3:58

in our lives. What

4:01

I mean by this is, let's say

4:03

we had a fight with our significant

4:05

other, flew off the handle, said things

4:07

we regretted, and took off for

4:09

the night to cool off. And

4:12

then, nothing happens afterward

4:14

but both parties giving themselves

4:16

a chance to calm down

4:19

before they reconcile. Let's

4:21

say one of us dies that night

4:23

and the other is accused of murder.

4:25

Well everything that was said

4:28

and done is suddenly scrutinized and

4:30

judged. You are now

4:32

held accountable for things you might

4:35

have uttered during a heated argument.

4:38

Y'all get what I'm saying here. This

4:40

is important in Karen Reed's case because

4:42

she and John O'Keefe, according

4:44

to her, fought that night

4:46

and even in the days leading

4:49

up to his death. We cannot

4:51

talk about this case without mentioning

4:53

social media, which has truly

4:55

done a disservice to murder cases and

4:57

trials despite any good that might

5:00

come from it. The vitriol

5:02

and lies and speculation from

5:04

asinine people who know nothing,

5:07

who have nothing better to do, circulating

5:10

nonsense and bullshit, stirring up

5:12

and polarizing people involved, confusing

5:14

the facts of cases is

5:16

nothing more than noise. The

5:18

days are gone when a

5:20

trial comes to pass and

5:22

we watch and wait to

5:24

see what the evidence reveals.

5:27

Every single detail is now turned into

5:29

a conspiracy theory or a question mark.

5:33

Most of these people have no idea

5:35

what it's like to sit inside a

5:37

courtroom day after day and listen to

5:39

the case unfold in real time without

5:42

any social manipulation buzzing in your brain

5:44

from an iPhone. I'm

5:47

sorry John O'Keefe died. I

5:49

have sympathy and even empathy

5:51

for his family and friends and those

5:53

who loved him. But part

5:55

of honoring John O'Keefe's memory is

5:58

getting to the truth. finding out

6:00

what happened and who, if anyone,

6:03

killed him. And I agree

6:05

with Turtle Boy. We will

6:07

probably never know entirely what

6:10

happened, unless that is the

6:12

FBI steps up and takes

6:14

this case over and investigates

6:16

the investigators to see what

6:18

in the hell they did. Because

6:21

if there is one true fact in this case, it's

6:23

that the people in charge

6:26

of investigating O'Keefe's death are

6:28

incompetent, ignorant, many of them

6:30

misogynistic, and surely incapable of

6:33

solving a fucking Scooby-Doo episode,

6:35

better yet, a murder

6:37

inquiry. Turtle Boy has

6:39

guts. I'll give him that. He

6:42

sometimes stands outside the courthouse, streaming

6:44

live after the day's testimony and

6:46

questions people on both sides as

6:48

they walk out. At times, he

6:50

shouts things at them. What

6:53

can I say about that? It's

6:55

the world we live in now. I

6:57

asked Turtle Boy to talk about free

6:59

speech and its boundaries. Yeah, I

7:02

don't believe in boundaries of free speech. I

7:04

mean, it's like if there's boundaries, then it's

7:06

not really free, is it? So

7:09

I exercise my free speech rights and

7:12

some people might not like them. What

7:15

some people view as attacking witnesses, I

7:17

view as exposing them or calling them

7:19

out. He does, I think, push

7:21

the boundaries. Yet what are those

7:23

boundaries? Where is the line drawn and when

7:26

do we cross it? Just because

7:28

these tactics are not what I would do

7:30

or a lot of people would not

7:33

condone, does it mean they are

7:35

not a feasible way to get at the

7:37

truth? Okay,

7:39

let's get into some evidence in this case.

7:42

One of the state's most important pieces

7:44

of evidence, if not the most important,

7:47

is the taillight housing from Karen Reed's

7:49

Lexus, as I mentioned in part one.

7:52

If Karen Reed smashed into John with the back

7:54

of her Lexus at 24 miles per hour and

7:57

knocked him down and unconscious. which

8:00

is what the prosecution contends,

8:02

it means that she'd likely smashed

8:04

the back tail light on

8:06

her vehicle. Yet when

8:08

O'Keefe was found, there

8:10

wasn't any tail light pieces recovered from the

8:13

scene. In the

8:15

days and weeks after the body is

8:17

discovered, lead investigator Michael Proctor and his

8:19

investigators say they began to find pieces

8:21

of Karen's tail light on the front

8:23

lawn of the Albert House. Apparently,

8:27

this was an open crime scene, active

8:29

for weeks and weeks after the body

8:31

is located. How

8:34

did they find all those pieces

8:36

of tail light? Wait until

8:38

you hear this. Proctor

8:40

and his supervisor testified. They

8:43

had altered their trips into and

8:46

home from work every day in

8:48

order to make sure they drove

8:50

by the Albert House. They

8:53

did this because the snow was so deep

8:55

from the blizzard, they needed to wait until

8:57

it melted so they could see what was

8:59

on the ground. And as

9:01

the days and weeks passed, presto

9:03

bingo, Bob's your uncle, as they

9:06

say in England, they

9:08

began to find larger and larger

9:10

pieces of Karen Reid's smashed tail

9:12

light on the ground. Mind you,

9:15

they were driving by the house and

9:17

would spot these pieces of tail light

9:19

from the confines of their vehicles. Convenient.

9:23

That's the only word that comes to mind. Here's

9:26

turtle boy and his explanation. If you're in

9:28

the neighborhood, just drive by, take a quick

9:30

look out your window from a moving vehicle.

9:33

And every time they do, they find more tail light. The

9:36

tail light plant is actually a rare

9:38

perennial flower that grows exclusively on Brian

9:41

Albert's front lawn. And it blooms in

9:43

February, as it turns out. Because every

9:45

time they went by there, they found

9:48

more tail light on six different undocumented

9:51

trips. They keep finding more and more tail

9:53

light. And the pieces become progressively bigger. That's

9:55

another thing we learned in the testimony. The

9:58

biggest piece was found on February. 18th.

10:00

Like how did you miss this? And

10:03

by the way, the Canton Police Department,

10:05

when they first got to the scene and it

10:07

was their crime scene initially at

10:09

6am, they videotaped

10:11

themselves searching the scene with

10:14

a leaf blower and there was only like

10:16

an inch of snow and they don't

10:18

find any red taillight. I

10:21

think that bear's repeating. The

10:23

Canton PD first took over the crime

10:25

scene. They used a

10:27

freaking leaf blower to move the snow

10:29

away to search the scene and they

10:31

found nothing. Now

10:35

let's take this a step further. After

10:37

the state police take over that crime

10:39

scene and by this time of the

10:41

day with the blizzard in full force,

10:44

they have towed Karen's SUV away

10:47

from her parents' house. This

10:49

is what happens. 12

10:52

hours later, after 18 inches of snow

10:54

has fallen and Michael Proctor

10:56

has taken Karen Reed's

10:59

Lexus SUV and it's inside

11:01

the Canton Police Department, after

11:04

that happens, then they decide,

11:06

let's search it again. Let's dig it

11:08

up and lo and behold, four pieces

11:10

of red taillight appear. The first four

11:12

out of 45 total pieces that will

11:14

later be found and a black Nike

11:16

stinker is also found during that search

11:18

that was not, some of the Canton

11:20

Police just must be completely blind because

11:22

they missed all of this when only

11:24

an inch or two of snow was

11:26

on the ground. So now it appears

11:29

to be a co-investigation with the Canton

11:31

PD as Turtle Boy explains here, referring

11:33

to the chief of the Canton Police

11:35

Department. That means something's a foul. The

11:38

police chief himself in that town also

11:41

found taillight when he drove by on February

11:43

4th and also happens to be friends with

11:46

Brian Albert and also my

11:48

reporting found out that on February 1st, when

11:51

Karen was arrested, a reporter from

11:54

Boston 25 News tweeted out that

11:56

his body was found on the lawn of another

11:58

Boston police officer named Brian. Albert. And

12:01

this reporter was messaged by the chief of police

12:03

and asked to remove his tweet because quote,

12:06

Brian Albert is a pillar of the community

12:08

and doesn't deserve to have his name smeared

12:10

like that in the media, even though dead

12:12

body was found in Islam. And the reporter

12:15

was like, sure, whatever. And

12:17

then cotton, when this all went down, contacted

12:19

me and showed me the receipts of the

12:21

police chief making this request. The police chief

12:23

has since deactivated all social

12:25

media. And he's

12:28

also very good friends with Brian

12:30

Higgins, the ATF agent mouse who

12:32

was romantically interested in Karen Reed.

12:34

Important for me is that the

12:37

state police told Karen's vehicle from

12:39

her parents house to the

12:42

Canton PD's garage. The

12:45

Massachusetts state police involved the

12:47

local PD in their

12:50

investigation. A town Canton

12:52

where the Albert family, according

12:55

to turtle boy and many, many

12:57

more has tremendous influence.

13:00

State police allow

13:03

the Canton PD to maintain,

13:06

look after what is

13:08

effectively the most damning piece

13:11

of evidence in this case. Why

13:14

don't we take our first break here? Because I

13:16

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13:18

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26:00

his sister's wedding, that he sat with them

26:02

at the head table at his sister's wedding

26:04

in 2012 and never disclosed

26:07

that to anyone, that he was offered

26:09

a gift on the day that Karen

26:11

Reed was arrested by

26:13

Julie Albert, whose

26:16

son was never questioned. Colin was never questioned by

26:18

police, even though he was inside that house. And

26:20

so he's got a tail light. He

26:25

lied on his report about what time he towed Karen Reed's car.

26:27

He said he towed it at 5.30. Ring

26:29

camera footage shows the car being towed at 4.15. If

26:32

he towed it at 5.30, he couldn't have gotten the

26:34

car back in time to plant tail light before

26:36

the 5.45 search. But

26:38

if he left at 4.15, he would have time. He lied

26:41

in his report. He said it was 5.30. Why

26:43

did he lie about that? So let's

26:45

take another short break here. Come back and

26:48

wrap up the second part of the Karen

26:50

Reed case, a story I think you will

26:52

be hearing me talk about again in the

26:54

coming weeks on CTL. No doubt about it.

26:57

Be right back. Hey,

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Billy, why don't we tell him what

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are 10 women on the jury. Many

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of them reacted strongly to

27:49

lead investigator Michael Proctor's offensive

27:51

language and the degradation

27:54

of female defendant, Karen

27:56

Reid. This

27:58

case should have been dismissed before it even