In this episode, we talk baptism once more as the Reverend Dr. Kevin Adams returns to discuss Chapter 7, “Identity Politics”, from his book Living Under Water. This episode explores the tensions between the pitfalls of nationalism and a baptized patriotism, the language of love of country and the ways baptism gives us a primary identity. Plus, there’s a mention of sewer systems, a sneeze that wasn’t edited out and an opening discussion of Matt’s Muppets story so you know you want to listen!

If you want to read along with us, you can purchase a copy of Kevin's book online here.