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hope you had some cake.

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Did you just make that up or is that a real song?

5:01

No, I just made that up. Okay. Anyway,

5:04

today's episode

5:06

is a spiritual prequel to our

5:09

Griffith, Jay Griffith episode.

5:11

You do not need to listen

5:13

to the Griffith, Jay Griffith episode

5:16

to enjoy this one, but you

5:19

should listen to it just because it was a good episode,

5:21

I think. And I think

5:23

it does add a little element of fun to

5:25

this episode. Well, unfortunately

5:28

for us, I went

5:30

down a

5:32

two-hour rabbit hole yesterday. I went

5:34

on Ancestry.com.

5:38

I scoured every single newspaper

5:40

from the 1900s. I

5:43

could not find any additional information

5:45

on our elusive Lady

5:48

in Red. Oh. This

5:50

woman, as mentioned in the Griffith,

5:53

Jay Griffith episode, was scolded

5:56

in the courtroom for showing

5:59

up to every case. that defense

6:01

attorney Earl Rogers tried

6:04

eating her little sack

6:07

lunch and giggling and

6:09

I could I could not find any

6:11

mention of her again. I might

6:14

try again

6:17

someday. If it's that difficult there

6:19

probably isn't anything. She's like a candle

6:21

in the wind. Maybe she's a ghost.

6:24

She's an iconic

6:26

ghost. Yes and I'm really sad about that

6:28

but this story that we're gonna tell today

6:31

the reason it's connected to the Griffith Jay Griffith

6:34

story is because this woman who was

6:36

eating her lunch in the courtroom

6:38

and getting yelled at by the defense attorney was

6:41

the sister of a main

6:45

character in today's episode.

6:47

Okay

6:49

let's get started.

6:52

Our story this week takes place in Acton,

6:54

California. Now Acton is

6:56

a small town in Los Angeles County.

6:59

It sits northeast of the San Fernando

7:01

Valley near the Antelope Valley. Acton

7:04

covers just 40 square miles

7:06

and in 1900 housed a population

7:08

of just 27 people. Wow

7:11

this is very small. It's by like

7:13

Palmdale? Kinda. Okay.

7:17

Yeah Palmdale's like east of it. Okay.

7:19

I think. Yeah I was trying to place

7:22

it. Yeah

7:24

you look it up you're like oh that's where it is. I mean

7:26

it's still pretty desolate area. It's very

7:29

desolate. I was looking

7:31

at geotags of Acton last

7:33

night on Instagram and it looks very

7:35

cowboy. Yeah it's a very dusty

7:38

up there. It's super dusty but it's also pretty.

7:40

It looks like the Old West. There's

7:43

like lots of mountains and stuff. So

7:47

in 1900 it housed a population of

7:49

just 27 people and two

7:51

of those people couldn't stand each

7:53

other. Ooh. 34 year old William H. Broome

7:56

and 49 year old

7:59

normal Melrose. That's

8:03

his name, Desi. They were neighbors

8:05

with the years-long feud. That

8:08

feud would reach a boiling point when one of

8:10

them would wind up dead. Broome

8:13

was originally from Brooklyn and

8:16

in 1900 he settled in Acton with his wife

8:19

and three children. At the time

8:21

he was working as a telegraph operator

8:23

for Southern Pacific. In

8:25

the wee morning hours of December 15th 1900 Broome

8:28

was riding

8:30

his horse to work when a man named Matthias

8:33

Bauer, also on horseback,

8:36

ordered him to stop his horse.

8:38

Matthias, a man in his 60s,

8:39

had beef with Broome. Broome

8:42

ignored

8:43

him and Bauer fired his shotgun

8:45

at Broome, sending the bullet flying

8:47

over his horse. Broome sped

8:49

up to the telegraph office as Bauer chased

8:52

after him. He pounded on the

8:54

door but the night shift worker T.L.

8:56

Wilson wouldn't let him in. Wow.

8:59

Wilson didn't like Broome. Yeah.

9:02

He's like, I don't care you're being shot at. Yeah,

9:04

your horse is ninnying.

9:07

What it's called?

9:09

Ninnying? Yeah, they're going ninnnn. Ninn.

9:13

Winnie. Winnie. See, I

9:15

was doing a ninnies a nay wet Winnie.

9:19

Yeah, I had it. So this guy T.L.

9:21

Wilson sees Broome pounding on the door like,

9:23

let me in, someone's trying to shoot me and T.L. Wilson's

9:25

doing that like pretend, I can't hear you. What? Mouthing?

9:28

I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Wilson

9:32

didn't like Broome. Like I said, they had some

9:34

kind of workplace drama. Broome

9:37

did manage to escape unscathed and the

9:39

assailant Matthias Bauer was charged

9:42

with attempted murder. Wow. At

9:44

the trial, the defense claimed that Bauer

9:46

was trying to shoot a coyote but the jury

9:48

didn't buy it and he was found guilty and sentenced

9:51

to 150 days in jail. That's not bad.

9:55

For trying to kill someone? Yeah. Yeah, it's not

9:57

too bad. The following year,

10:00

Broome got into Los Angeles's

10:02

booming oil business. The

10:04

LA Times reported that Broome secured

10:06

a claim of 20,000 acres of oil fields in and around

10:10

Acton. Oil. People

10:14

are hungry for oil in LA

10:16

at this time. Yeah, that's uh,

10:19

yeah, I've read, I have a book

10:21

on this. We've thought of doing a case. We

10:23

want to do this one particular

10:25

story, but it's a lot of research and one

10:27

day we will bring it to you.

10:29

So Broome and his associates formed

10:31

the Actinoma

10:32

Oil and

10:34

Mineral Development Company. In

10:37

July of 1901, William H.

10:39

Broome accused his neighbor, Normal

10:41

Melrose, of shooting and killing his

10:44

dog.

10:45

Whoa. So this is the first,

10:47

this is where it starts. Yeah. This

10:49

is where the feud starts.

10:52

Now Melrose was born in Illinois in 1854

10:54

and grew up in Iowa. He

10:57

moved to Los Angeles with his wife in 1887 and settled

11:00

in Acton. He

11:03

became involved in local government serving

11:05

as Acton's Justice of the Peace in 1890. He

11:08

also served as a delegate for the Republican

11:11

County Convention as well. In 1901,

11:14

Melrose became postmaster. That

11:17

same year, he would make the papers

11:19

for killing his neighbor's dog. This

11:22

is what happens when there's only 20 people in your

11:24

town. One guy can be all the different

11:26

roles, like in the government.

11:29

Yeah. And you

11:32

can get annoyed with people

11:33

really easily. Yeah.

11:37

Broome pressed charges against Melrose. According

11:40

to the Los Angeles Evening Post, Melrose

11:42

was driving by Broome's house with his

11:44

little dog.

11:45

So he's driving by his house in his buggy

11:48

with his own dog. Yeah.

11:50

When Broome's dog, a great

11:53

Dane, ran out and attacked

11:55

Melrose and his little dog. Marmaduke.

11:58

No.

11:59

attack Melrose

12:02

and his dog. Okay, this is

12:04

sad. The small dog was killed. Whoa.

12:07

And Melrose was left badly bitten on

12:09

his arms and legs.

12:11

Now this dog is mentioned a lot

12:14

in the newspapers regarding this case, and

12:16

it changes from a Great Dane to

12:18

a Mastiff to a St. Bernard. All

12:21

big dogs though. He's a big boy. Yeah.

12:24

So what, when

12:26

did he kill the dog in that moment? No.

12:29

Okay.

12:30

So

12:31

Melrose gets fucked up by this big dog.

12:34

And later he returned to Broome's house

12:37

and found the Great Dane playing in the yard

12:39

with Broome's five-year-old son. Broome's

12:42

son was riding on this Mastiff for

12:44

Great Dane's back. The dream.

12:47

That's when Melrose proceeded to shoot

12:49

the dog in the head while the kid was

12:52

on it, while the kid was riding

12:54

the dog. Okay. That's extra. That's

12:56

really sick. I mean,

12:59

to do it in front of the kid period, or

13:01

even to do it period. To do it periods

13:04

fucked up, to do it in front of the kids

13:06

extra fucked up, and to do it while the kid's

13:09

riding around on it like a horsey is

13:11

like beyond. That's war. That's

13:13

war. Yeah. Also that

13:15

dog probably would have been killed

13:18

anyhow. Right. By the state? By the state.

13:20

I mean, I'm just thinking sometimes if they attack people,

13:23

those dogs get captured. Right.

13:25

Really sad all around. This

13:27

was just the beginning of the feud. That

13:30

November, a committee was formed to erect

13:32

a statue of recently deceased Senator

13:34

Steven M. White at the Los

13:37

Angeles County courthouse. Normal

13:39

Melrose wrote a letter to the board of supervisors

13:42

saying that the people of Acton opposed

13:44

this statue. This letter

13:47

prompted William Broome to write his own

13:49

letter saying Melrose is wrong. The

13:51

people of Acton did not oppose

13:53

this statue. We want this statue. And

13:56

then he said Melrose was a liar. He said

13:59

quote, we

14:00

have not come across a person Melrose

14:02

even consulted about the subject and hope the

14:05

honorable board of supervisors will kindly

14:07

put it down as another of the numerous

14:09

fairy tales of which Melrose is guilty.

14:11

Wow. This assertion made

14:14

by Broome that Melrose was a liar made

14:16

him furious.

14:17

About a week later, when Broome went to the

14:19

post office to pick up his mail, he

14:22

approached the window and said, anything for

14:24

me? Postmaster Melrose

14:26

replied, here's something for you. Oh,

14:28

no. And then punched Broome in the eye. Yeah.

14:34

Broome fell back

14:36

and Melrose then peered out of the little window.

14:39

And that's when Melrose popped

14:42

up and punched him in the nose. Oh

14:44

my God. These guys are punching each other through

14:46

that post office window. I love it.

14:50

Broome claimed that Melrose beat him over

14:52

the head with a blunt object. He

14:54

said that he tried to fight back, but Melrose's

14:57

wife, Flossy reached

14:59

her hand through the window and grabbed

15:01

one of Broome's arms, rendering him helpless.

15:04

Flossy. Ah, stay

15:07

flossing in my candy paint.

15:10

Flossy. She got involved. She

15:14

was, yeah, she must be strong woman

15:16

to hold a man by his arm

15:19

and he's rendered helpless. He

15:22

fucked him up. She's like, go

15:24

get him, Melrose. I

15:26

got his arm.

15:28

Basically, a crowd formed.

15:30

Ooh. I mean, if there was like a fist

15:33

fight happening at the post office, that'd be super

15:35

exciting. So all 27 residents.

15:38

A more thicker. Like a crowd. What

15:40

was it? Four people. Yeah. Melrose

15:45

dropped the blunt object at this point

15:47

and he began beating Broome with his fist.

15:49

So Broome is getting fucked up. Flossy

15:53

restrained

15:53

Broome while her husband wailed on him.

15:56

Broome was taken to the hospital to treat his

15:59

eyes. which had been badly

16:01

fucked up in the fight, and they might

16:03

require surgery. Shit. Melrose

16:07

said the fight happened differently. He

16:10

claimed that Broome attacked him first and

16:12

that their fight ended up on the street, and

16:14

he denied his wife had any part of it.

16:17

Leave Flossy out of it. She's a beautiful

16:19

woman. She's

16:23

a handsome woman. You know Flossy's

16:25

handsome. Oh, she is. I'll

16:27

post a picture of Flossy. He

16:31

didn't want his wife getting in trouble. He's

16:33

a wife guy. Yeah. Broome

16:36

wanted Mr. and Mrs. Melrose

16:38

arrested, but the district attorney

16:41

declined to press charges. He's

16:44

like, I'm sick of this shit. He literally was

16:46

over it. He's like, you

16:48

guys are grown men who

16:50

got into a fight at the post office. This

16:53

is embarrassing

16:53

for the town.

16:56

The following year, Broome sued

16:58

Melrose for libel. He

17:00

sought $75,000 worth in damages after

17:04

Melrose wrote a pair of letters to Broome's

17:06

business associates, calling him a scammer

17:10

and saying that his oil company was fraudulent.

17:13

Broome also believed that Melrose had been

17:15

tampering with his mail at the post office

17:17

because he was a postmaster.

17:18

He's like steaming those envelopes

17:21

open. And hanging them on a

17:23

clothesline. Reading

17:25

everything. God

17:27

damn it. I'm gonna use this information.

17:30

He's a scammer.

17:35

Broome lost this libel suit.

17:38

And it only further deepened his ire

17:40

towards Melrose.

17:42

Just days after the judge declared that

17:44

there was no libel done, the men

17:46

made the paper again. Broome's

17:49

son hurled a rock through the window of Melrose's

17:52

house. So he's getting the son involved

17:54

now. The one on the dog?

17:56

And that's for shooting me. I was shooting

17:58

the dog when I was on it. He

18:00

has a legitimate beef. This

18:05

is a different son. This is the older

18:08

son, but he's still he's like 11. He's

18:12

like, I was too big to ride the dog, but it could

18:14

have been me. Melrose

18:19

had Broome's son arrested and

18:21

charged with malicious mischief. Again,

18:24

he's like 11.

18:26

Broome had to go to Lancaster, which is

18:28

where like the police station was

18:31

to bail out his son.

18:33

In a surprising turn of events, Melrose

18:36

had the charges against Broome's son dropped.

18:39

And here's why.

18:40

He told the LA Times that the

18:43

judge had ordered a change of venue

18:45

for the trial. And he believed

18:47

that this move was not in the interest of

18:49

justice at all, but instead to

18:51

cause a strain on the witnesses of the

18:53

case. He's like, he wants to move this trial

18:56

far away. No one wants to drive

18:58

in their

18:58

buggy that far away.

19:03

This is a conspiracy. He

19:05

alluded to collusion

19:06

between Broome and the prosecutor.

19:09

He's like deep state. He

19:12

really thought that deep state was up to

19:14

something. But

19:16

perhaps Melrose had his own plans

19:19

for justice. It was

19:21

5pm on January 20th, 1903,

19:25

when William

19:25

Broome returned home from a day of

19:28

shooting pigeons with friends.

19:30

Normal Melrose spent the day repairing

19:33

a windmill and was headed home with his tools

19:35

in his wheelbarrow. He saw Broome

19:37

standing in the yard of the Acton Hotel

19:40

holding a shotgun. Melrose

19:42

came up from behind Broome and bumped into

19:44

him with his wheelbarrow. According

19:47

to Melrose, Broome drew his shotgun

19:49

and said, you dirty coward, I

19:52

have a notion to blow your head off. Melrose

19:55

said he attempted to move past Broome,

19:57

but Broome blocked him. Melrose

20:00

continued pushing his wheelbarrow and made

20:02

it past him on their street. Both

20:05

men were now out on the street outside

20:07

their houses. Broom put his gun

20:09

down and took off his coat and said, let's

20:11

fight. Melrose

20:13

said that he attempted to push his wheelbarrow

20:16

in front of the shotgun, but Broom dashed

20:18

toward the gun and grabbed it.

20:20

He said both men were wrestling for the weapon

20:23

when it went off.

20:24

The bullet missed, but Broom got

20:26

a hold of the gun and pointed

20:28

it at Melrose.

20:29

Melrose then drew his revolver and

20:31

shot a bullet into the street, hoping

20:34

to scare off Broom. Broom

20:36

wouldn't back down, so Melrose shot

20:38

him in the head. According

20:40

to Melrose, Broom fell on

20:42

the street and exclaimed, the

20:44

blank blank is trying to kill me,

20:46

but I'll kill him first.

20:49

Famous last word. Broom

20:51

then died. Broom

20:54

left behind a wife and three children. The

20:57

family had just bought a new home in downtown

21:00

LA and had planned on moving there. Following

21:03

the shooting, Melrose drove his buggy

21:05

to Lancaster to turn himself in. His

21:08

wife Flossie accompanied him to the police

21:11

station. The Los

21:13

Angeles Evening Express dubbed normal Melrose

21:15

the terror of Acton. The

21:18

paper reported that many citizens of

21:20

Acton were afraid to testify at the coroner's

21:23

inquest. There was talk about Melrose

21:25

killing a man in Iowa, which was

21:27

true, but it was deemed lawful as

21:29

it was done while assisting

21:32

a constable and making an arrest.

21:34

There was gossip that Melrose had killed his own

21:36

sister.

21:38

He claimed an indigenous person had done

21:40

it. The alleged killer was never found.

21:43

The six witnesses who did testify

21:45

believe that this shooting was not done

21:47

in self defense, as Melrose had claimed.

21:49

Melrose, which promotes adoption

21:52

for children with special needs and

21:54

in her bio on the Rod's Heroes website,

21:57

she identifies herself as

21:59

OURs. director of strategic alliances,

22:02

which was not actually a description

22:04

we had found anywhere else. So OUR

22:07

told us that she did work at Children Needs

22:09

Families for two years as the executive director,

22:12

making 122,000 when she started and then 125,000.

22:15

The next year, she left OUR shortly after

22:17

Mr. Ballard's

22:21

department to perch her they said and

22:23

that, quote, none of her work with Children

22:25

Needs

22:25

Families had any association

22:27

with her self-proclaimed psychic abilities.

22:30

For any question about her alleged psychic abilities

22:32

services rendered to Mr. Ballard or payment for

22:34

those services, please ask Ms. Rusin

22:37

or Mr. Ballard. So OUR confirming

22:39

that she worked there confirming her, you know,

22:44

seeming to confirm that her sort of alleged psychic abilities

22:46

were part of the situation and telling

22:48

us essentially, like, you got to ask Janet

22:51

and Mr. Ballard about that. So I'm

22:54

going to add, I'm

22:55

going to add some more information

22:58

there. And I'm stepping on Anna. So I will I will

23:00

add that she has spoken to Ms. Rusin

23:02

several times. And she has made clear that

23:04

she is not going to talk to us in

23:06

the past. She's mentioned NDA she

23:08

had signed. So,

23:11

so there you have that. Troy

23:14

Rawlings, who's the local

23:16

prosecutor who was working with the FBI on this investigation

23:19

in an email to the Utah Attorney General said

23:21

that he had 10,000 pages of her psychic

23:24

readings that to his understanding,

23:28

she was communicating with the prophet Nephi,

23:31

who's a figure from the Book of Mormon, who

23:35

would have died 600 years before

23:38

Christ, and that

23:41

she was the primary

23:43

source of operational intelligence for OURs paramilitary

23:46

missions. So I want to be very clear that we're not talking

23:49

about something that

23:51

might be simply eccentric,

23:53

like saying, Hey,

23:56

nothing else has worked. What can it hurt

23:58

to talk to this lady? You know, So either

24:00

she helps us out or she doesn't. They

24:03

were picking where to go on the

24:05

basis of her psychic

24:09

communications with Nephi and other

24:11

dead figures. She

24:15

accompanied them on, you know, we've

24:17

written about this one mission, we have photos of her being

24:20

there telling the

24:22

father of a missing child that she was communicating with

24:24

the father's dead mother and sister. They

24:29

were going places spending money

24:32

that had been contributed to them by donors

24:34

on her

24:36

say so. So I

24:39

think

24:41

one can without passing any judgment on

24:44

the use of psychic mediums to communicate with

24:47

the afterlife for spiritual purposes say

24:50

that's a really bad idea. That's

24:52

really something you should not be doing. You're

24:54

putting, you're wasting time,

24:58

you're wasting money, you're putting people in danger

25:01

and you're raising the hopes of

25:04

a father who doesn't know if his child

25:07

is alive or not. That's

25:11

what's going on there. It's

25:14

really strange and bizarre and sensationalistic and

25:16

shocking and lurid but, you

25:19

know, I think it really speaks for

25:21

itself as well. And certainly

25:24

one of the things that criminal investigators were extremely

25:27

interested in was

25:30

what donors would make of their

25:32

money being raised

25:35

from them on the premise that OUR

25:38

worked with Navy SEALs, former operators,

25:40

special forces guys, the best of the best

25:45

and was instead operating on

25:47

the say so of a psychic. We in

25:49

our 2021 story, I don't

25:51

remember exactly how we characterized him so I'll be very

25:54

broad but this was, we

25:56

talked to somebody who was

25:59

a... a former member of Special Forces

26:02

and was not only shocked to

26:05

learn that the intelligence was derived from the

26:07

psychic medium, but by

26:09

a lack of basic operational planning.

26:12

I'm not going to

26:15

claim to be much

26:17

of an expert in

26:19

these matters myself, but I think it's a matter of common

26:21

sense. Everybody understands that if you're engaging

26:23

in a paramilitary operation, private

26:26

or public, in a foreign country,

26:29

there's basic stuff you have to do. Map out the

26:31

terrain, figure out transportation

26:33

routes, figure out where medical facilities are,

26:36

figure out how you get to them from various

26:38

places. This

26:41

isn't super secret. You know, Jason

26:44

Bourne stuff, this is

26:46

common sense stuff. This is the kind of planning you do if

26:48

you go on a hiking trip. What

26:50

do I do if I break my leg? How am I going to get out?

26:55

They weren't doing that. We talked

26:57

to other people who have said very similar

26:59

things. These are people with very

27:01

different experiences working in different parts of the world, but with

27:03

who you are. People

27:06

who had done this for a living

27:08

were just astounded that there

27:10

was no planning. Ultimately,

27:15

the investigation closes at charges, but I think

27:17

it's very plain to see why people would

27:21

be investigating it and

27:24

looking into whether money

27:27

was raised under false pretenses or if laws

27:31

governing communications and

27:34

representations made by a nonprofit would

27:37

have potentially been violated here.

27:40

Yeah. I mean, I think that that

27:42

kind of flows nicely into

27:44

something that we were talking about a little bit earlier,

27:47

which is the public reaction to the

27:50

reporting that has come out from

27:52

the two of you this week. And

27:55

also the reporting on your reporting, which

27:58

is, you know, I. We

28:01

are all journalists here to get a little bit in the weeds, you

28:03

know, do you want to explain,

28:06

you know, there were people across

28:08

Utah, across the LDS communities, you

28:10

know, just being like, okay, why

28:13

would the LDS Church give these

28:15

vice reporters this statement? You

28:18

know, can we believe this to

28:20

then the governor of Utah

28:22

having things to say about this

28:24

reporting?

28:24

Yeah, so there

28:26

was a lot of immediate skepticism from

28:29

folks within the LDS community, especially people,

28:32

I think it's fair to say, like on the right,

28:34

folks who are more, maybe more

28:37

conservative and don't like vice, which is fine

28:40

and understandable, or folks who are more

28:42

kind of automatically in Mr. Ballard's

28:44

camp and just don't believe that the

28:47

church would say something like this about him. So

28:50

there were pretty immediate conspiracy theories

28:52

on sort of Twitter and like right wing

28:54

podcasts and elsewhere, kind of questioning

28:57

whether the, whether the

28:59

statement was real. And if it was real, whether

29:01

it had actually come from the church, like

29:03

a church spokesperson or some rogue element

29:06

within the church, you know,

29:09

we chose to identify

29:11

the spokesperson who gave us

29:13

the statement as just a spokesperson, because that

29:15

is what he

29:15

asked for. That is pretty standard

29:18

when you're speaking institutionally and not

29:20

on your own behalf. And I think the church wanted to make

29:22

it clear that they were speaking institutionally.

29:24

But the fact that he didn't use his name

29:26

generated a bunch of discussion.

29:29

Also the fact that they did not post a statement

29:32

on their LDS newsroom

29:34

website, which of

29:36

course they didn't. It's a statement

29:39

to a news outlet. It's not a press release,

29:41

but there was a little bit of

29:43

confusion about those two things, press release

29:45

statement,

29:47

I think, added to by the fact that just it's

29:49

very unusual. So

29:51

there was a lot of questioning and truth-raying. And then

29:53

interestingly, you know, a lot of sort

29:55

of like figures within

29:57

the LDS community were. telling

30:00

us that they were going to check into it for themselves and

30:02

they were going to know if we had made it up and we said okay

30:04

you know please do please do that so they did

30:07

and we didn't hear back from some of them and others you

30:09

know confirmed that they had that they

30:11

had determined that it was real

30:14

and then when this

30:17

skepticism and suspicion sort of continued

30:19

in some quarters the governor of

30:21

Utah Spencer Cox who is a Republican

30:25

said in a press conference it's

30:28

a normal weekly press conference he did not

30:30

call a press conference to talk about our reporting but

30:33

in response to a question from a journalist from Utah

30:35

Spencer, he said yes you

30:37

know I called the church I checked with

30:39

the church myself I determined that it is

30:42

an official statement so again Governor Cox

30:44

is a Republican and he is himself

30:46

LDS and so he's kind of I think

30:48

put a total kibosh

30:50

on any last realistic speculation

30:53

by saying like yes I confirm this myself

30:56

which is kind of extraordinary I've never actually had

30:58

a governor do

31:00

that I've never had a governor follow

31:02

up our reporting so um now

31:05

the speculation has switched to okay well why

31:08

did the church give this statement

31:10

to vice of all people why did they do

31:12

that and so there's this kind of pretty lively

31:15

discussion going on about whether or not it was appropriate to

31:17

give us a statement a lot of people claiming

31:20

falsely that we are you know enemies of the faith

31:22

which is just not true that's just not a

31:24

thing um and

31:27

you know it's been it's been really interesting

31:29

and sort of surreal to watch you know we're waiting

31:31

for all these podcasts speculating about our

31:33

work

31:34

yeah it's been it's been really

31:37

really strange to see how many people and

31:39

it's hard to tell how much of it is is disingenuous

31:42

and how much of it is just about like I

31:45

guess you might nicely characterize it as naivete

31:48

and in some cases you might characterize it as media illiteracy

31:51

um they don't not understanding

31:54

why the church issued the statement

31:56

to us so they issued

31:58

the statement to us because We had specific

32:01

questions about evidence

32:04

of alleged sketchy

32:07

business activities involving

32:10

President M. Russell Ballard

32:14

that came up in public records

32:17

that were compiled during the course of a criminal investigation

32:20

between a local prosecutor and the FBI. And

32:24

we needed to put those questions to him. Ask

32:26

him for context explanation. Tim Ballard

32:30

drawing something on a whiteboard or Tim Ballard,

32:33

an associate of Tim Ballard claiming

32:35

that he could arrange a meeting between M. Russell

32:37

Ballard and a third party to

32:40

encourage investment in a for-profit business

32:43

are

32:45

legitimate topics of discussion.

32:48

But if you're gonna raise those, you have to ask both

32:51

Tim Ballard and M. Russell

32:53

Ballard, what is going on here? What's additional context

32:56

for these text messages that we have? Why

32:59

was this on a whiteboard? Were you

33:01

a business partner of Tim Ballard?

33:03

Were you an undisclosed silent

33:06

business partner of Tim Ballard's in

33:08

a for-profit company that he aimed

33:10

to use to control his own nonprofit and

33:13

ultimately funnel money and attention

33:15

to his own personal brand? And

33:18

the statement we got back was

33:21

that, you know,

33:23

that's not true that

33:25

M. Russell Ballard has withdrawn

33:27

his association from Tim Ballard that he'd done

33:29

so months ago after he became aware that

33:32

Tim Ballard was misrepresenting

33:34

their association

33:36

to advance his own personal business

33:38

ventures. You know,

33:41

I think if you look at the evidence, there are still

33:43

some questions there, but that

33:45

is M. Russell Ballard's side of the story.

33:48

And, you know, Tim Ballard has his side

33:50

of the story, which is that everything

33:52

we say is lies. But the reason

33:55

it was given to us is because we asked about it.

33:57

So for

33:58

the church to randomly put a... a press release

34:00

out answering questions that

34:03

hadn't even been made public would make

34:05

no sense for them to release it to a church

34:07

owned outlet like Deseret News would

34:10

make no sense. So it'd be no context for it. For

34:13

all they knew, we might

34:15

not ever publish our reporting at all. For

34:17

all they knew, they gave us a statement and we would have said, well,

34:19

there's not even a story here. You know, M Russell

34:21

Ballard has no connection

34:24

to Tim Ballard. We're just going to put this on the back

34:26

burner and see if we can

34:28

put some white sock stories up. There

34:31

would be absolutely no reason in the

34:33

world for the church not to respond to

34:35

us to give us, you know, their perspective,

34:38

new facts, new information, and

34:40

there would be no reason for them to give it to anyone else.

34:43

When other outlets ask

34:46

to confirm, which you know, we don't take personally,

34:48

we do that all the time. You know, if we see something crazy,

34:52

all of us, we reach out and say, you know,

34:54

hey, Apple, is this true? Did you really put out a

34:56

statement saying that, you know, the ghost

34:58

of Steve Jobs designed a new iPhone? That's

35:03

a totally normal thing to do. So

35:05

it's been really funny to see, and it's

35:08

been really strange to see, you know, Tim Ballard has

35:10

repeatedly, repeatedly, publicly referred

35:14

to the statement as alleged, intimated

35:16

that it's false, that it might have been a rogue spokesperson,

35:19

that the statement didn't really

35:21

reflect the church's

35:24

institutional views. And

35:26

you know, no one has to listen to us. But,

35:29

you know,

35:30

experts in the LDS Church, reporters,

35:32

academics, historians, who

35:34

have been talking about this, have made clear

35:37

that

35:39

there is no possibility this is a rogue statement, that

35:41

in fact, the overwhelming,

35:43

it's overwhelmingly likely

35:46

verging on, you know,

35:49

the only possible way this would have come out, is that

35:51

this was discussed at the absolute highest

35:54

levels of the church, with their

35:56

media relations team, with

35:58

leaders of the faith. possibly with

36:01

lawyers, this would be more something

36:03

that like a dozen or more people would

36:05

have vetted and collaboratively come up with which is probably

36:07

why it took so much time for them to get it to it because

36:09

they want to be very precise about

36:12

what they were saying and it was

36:14

interesting, it was startling, it was surprising

36:17

because of the content of it, but the fact that it

36:19

was given to us is you

36:22

know really routine just so it would have been really routine

36:24

if they said, you know President

36:27

Ballard has no comment on Tim

36:29

Ballard or any alleged business

36:32

ties between them. That would have been totally normal

36:34

too

36:36

Yeah, sorry, I saw you about

36:38

to say something So

36:41

yeah, go ahead. No, no you

36:44

Know I'm gonna force you to go. All

36:46

right fine I just wanted to note Jera

36:48

bear one says in the chat that

36:51

the governor addressed the specifically Tim

36:54

that they said the governor

36:57

said during the press conference that he had

36:59

personally checked to make sure that the statement had been

37:01

vetted this was not a road

37:04

PR person

37:05

Right, which I appreciated and it's

37:07

also just a reflection of how Far

37:12

the theorizing got that

37:14

folks were that folks had these questions You

37:18

know, so yeah, and that the governor

37:21

had to weigh in on it is very crazy

37:24

But hey, it's fine. I highly highly

37:26

encourage people to be skeptical of what they read like

37:29

I think it's great You know, yeah

37:31

word is true. So if anybody wants

37:34

to do their own research, they're You

37:37

know, they're they're more than welcome

37:39

to it I don't know if it's the best use of their time, but

37:41

you know, I played you know, I

37:43

played Starfield I don't know if that's the best

37:46

use of my time. So I'm not in any position

37:48

anything

37:49

There's also been a couple of other Kind

37:52

of interesting add-ons

37:54

to this which is like Glenn Beck Did

37:57

a bunch of tweets and then deleted

37:59

them back is I believe LDS

38:01

also right. Yes. And he is

38:03

the founder of the Nazarene fund, which was like

38:06

ended up being a sister organization to OUR.

38:08

Mr. Ballard left the Nazarene fund shortly

38:11

after leaving OUR. Nazarene

38:13

fund has told us that there are no allegations of

38:15

misconduct there. They don't have any concerns of that

38:17

kind. But you know, Glenn Beck

38:19

did this outraged tweet storm the

38:21

other day saying that he felt that the church in

38:24

making this statement had effectively excommunicated

38:27

Mr. Ballard and that he found that unacceptable.

38:30

And he said that he had confirmed

38:32

that the statement was legitimate. And then he deleted all

38:34

those tweets and hasn't answered some of our

38:37

questions, which I don't know, I don't understand.

38:39

And then there's this right wing

38:41

figure in Utah named Eric Mozas,

38:44

I'm sorry, I don't know how to

38:46

say his last name, who

38:47

has now come out and said that

38:50

he has spoken to two of the women

38:53

making allegations against him Ballard and has basically

38:55

said that he like believes them to be true.

38:58

So there's all this weird stuff

39:01

happening behind the scenes in Utah and with

39:03

people sort of connected with OUR connected with

39:05

the LDS world where people are

39:07

starting to come out and sort of talk about what they

39:10

know or what they believe to be true.

39:12

Yeah, I mean, it seems like this

39:15

is very much, you know, setting something

39:17

in motion that you know, we're just going to continue

39:20

to

39:21

learn more about and

39:22

I'm not going to ask for, you

39:24

know, any actual speculation because that

39:26

would not be prudent here. But

39:29

to bring it back to the beginning of what we were talking

39:31

about and that mention of Tim

39:33

Ballard potentially running for Senate in

39:36

Utah. I mean, how,

39:40

in your opinion, based on on all this stuff,

39:42

you know, does that still feel likely

39:44

that he might based on his response to everything

39:47

that he's still going to go ahead and do with that?

39:49

It is my personal belief that

39:51

he is going to announce that is that is

39:53

my that

39:54

is my sense. Tim, what do you think? I

39:57

also believe he's going to we've

39:59

talked to some folks who know the Utah

40:02

political scene better than we do, including

40:04

an active operative

40:07

who has affiliations with another candidate.

40:10

And the analysis

40:12

I get is that it's,

40:17

he wouldn't be considered a favorite. But

40:20

it's not clear that all of this is necessarily going

40:22

to hurt him that badly. His his chances

40:25

would probably be harmed more by his not,

40:28

you know, he doesn't have a background as an elected official,

40:30

there are other kids, there are going to be other candidates in

40:33

the race. And there are also going to be other candidates

40:35

who are

40:40

in the same kind of ideological space

40:42

without maybe baggage or controversy

40:44

around them. So if you're looking

40:47

for somebody who's going to say, you know,

40:49

the Biden administration is a human trafficking delivery

40:51

service, or we need to build a

40:53

wall. There

40:55

are other people who are probably going to be capable of doing

40:57

that. And they might be a little more informed about how

41:01

you know, he said things done as an elected

41:03

official, or, you know, other policy

41:05

areas, I, you know, have

41:08

no idea what Tim Ballard's, you

41:11

know, positions on the marginal tax rate are, or,

41:14

you know, Ukraine,

41:16

or whether the federal government

41:18

should be leveraging transportation

41:21

funding to enforce,

41:24

you know, an end to parking

41:27

minimums at stations near federally

41:29

funded train subs, or many, many

41:31

issues in America, that

41:34

I don't know that he's particularly qualified to speak to. So

41:37

it may well

41:39

be that the net effect

41:41

of all this is to marginally,

41:44

you know, make him a marginally less attractive

41:46

candidate, even to people who like him. It's

41:48

also entirely possible if this could really

41:50

galvanize people behind him, who,

41:53

you know, view, you know,

41:55

he has said in his public statements

41:57

that these allegations are not only false. But

42:00

they are ginned up by a cabal

42:03

of people in media, government, and

42:05

he even appears to have intimated, perhaps

42:09

within the church, we want to stop

42:11

him because of their alliance with evil pedophiles. That's

42:15

certainly not true in our case. I don't believe

42:17

it to be the case in any

42:19

other case, but we've certainly seen that kind of rhetoric

42:26

have real

42:29

galvanizing power with Republicans,

42:31

particularly in electoral context. So

42:33

yeah, nothing would

42:35

surprise me if I had to bet,

42:38

and I'm not trying to speculate here. I'm just trying to

42:40

give an honest read based on what

42:43

we know about. I would guess

42:47

he will announce, I would guess he's

42:49

not going to be the Republican nominee for Senate,

42:51

but I think it's totally up in the air.

42:54

It's worth noting that he issued a statement

42:56

on Instagram like a day ago where he

42:59

said he was standing in front of Abraham Lincoln's

43:01

summer home in Washington, DC, and

43:04

he said, you know, like Lincoln, I will not

43:06

stop. I will not give up.

43:09

More specifically, he said he was thinking

43:11

about how in 1862 Abraham Lincoln was spending time

43:17

there and his advisors were telling him not to

43:20

write the Emancipation Proclamation.

43:23

They were saying it was too much that it would push

43:25

America deeper into war, but that he had to do

43:28

what he was right. So I think it would

43:30

be completely reasonable to infer that he has

43:32

people around him who were telling him this

43:34

is not a propitious time to run for Senate and

43:37

that he was intimating

43:41

that he was still with me there,

43:43

like their feeling and their presence and whatnot. And

43:46

I just

43:48

went, I'm going back.

43:50

And just, yeah. And

43:53

then that was my experience, what

43:55

I call the other side. And then it

43:57

was such a weird thing.

44:00

to talk about but it's just given me a whole

44:02

different perspective on like that

44:05

I guess that side of things. Well yeah you

44:07

know my there's

44:10

an explanation for it I don't know what it is but I

44:12

have no doubt that it happens. You

44:15

write about this you know you write about near-death experiences

44:17

and my mum had had

44:20

one she's passed away now but my mum had

44:22

one I remember as I was getting close she

44:25

died of like really you know pretty

44:27

decent cancer. And she was a doctor she

44:29

knew it was

44:29

coming you know she was like she diagnosed

44:32

herself because of the worst patients

44:34

dude. So

44:36

we

44:37

were talking about it and she goes oh look

44:39

I've been there before I'm not afraid of it it's okay

44:41

when she was really little after the war when she was in a refugee

44:44

camp. Yeah right and she goes she

44:46

had the same thing very similar to

44:48

what you described. She goes it's okay you

44:50

know it's comfortable it's nice I'll be okay and

44:53

that was amazing to hear. But

44:56

yeah I was nervous to look into it afterwards

44:59

too like I didn't really want to like explore

45:01

that side because it was like well that was so

45:04

damn real. And I was so focused

45:06

on like

45:07

trying to not

45:08

like trying to stay here. Yeah yeah. So

45:11

it took me a little while to kind of

45:14

just

45:15

like really get that out. Fair

45:17

enough. And start looking into it a bit and then I was like oh

45:20

that's a lot of people have that same same

45:22

experience. It's a lot to process.

45:25

And I was already protesting a lot. How

45:28

does it make you think about

45:30

how does that change the way you go about things? The way

45:32

you go about you know

45:34

the way you raise your kids the way you're in a relationship the way

45:36

you wiz people when you wiz people? Well

45:39

I guess when I was there I had a message

45:42

and the message was that you're going to be alright.

45:45

And I could tell you I pretty

45:48

much cursed those words because I was not

45:50

alright for so long afterwards but like if

45:53

I look at my life it went okay. Like

45:56

I'd made it out of there and it wasn't like

45:58

it was wrong. But that's it. message

46:00

changed

46:03

the way I went about things. Because I

46:06

thought I was going to be great, but it wasn't great. And

46:10

I was a bit

46:11

disgruntled. Like, oh

46:14

man, this is not great.

46:16

Like, you're not okay. This

46:19

is a lot harder than I thought. And

46:21

coming back was a lot harder than I thought. So

46:24

that kind of changed

46:26

that sense. But once I kind

46:28

of made it through that,

46:31

I do feel a bit of a

46:33

bit of a confidence type

46:37

feeling for the future. Like,

46:40

I don't feel that

46:42

other side.

46:44

I actually just don't feel like the other

46:46

side's too far. Like

46:48

from us here and now. It's

46:51

not like, oh no, one day that's going to happen. It's

46:53

like, oh, right there. Yeah,

46:56

the idea, I mean, you

46:58

don't have to get too

47:02

deep, but that's what we

47:04

do here sometimes.

47:06

The denial of death or the solution for

47:08

the death problem is

47:10

a lot of what

47:12

our culture's built on. You don't like

47:14

feeling, oh, buy this new car. You

47:16

don't like feeling, oh, yeah, get this new car. It'll make you feel,

47:18

you know, how far away can we keep

47:21

death? How far away can we keep it? How much money

47:23

will we spend getting away from it?

47:25

There's no cheat code. Every

47:28

single one of us

47:29

is going to die. Yeah. Every one of

47:32

us. Nobody gets out of this.

47:34

Yeah. And that also makes it beautiful and

47:36

being an acceptance of it, I used to be terrified of

47:38

it. Yeah. Being an acceptance of

47:40

it changes the way I go about a lot of things.

47:44

Yeah. For me, the best way I can explain it

47:46

is that it's just not that far away. Like,

47:49

it's right there. I can, in

47:51

one way, it's kind of like the

47:54

people that I've lost and things

47:56

like that. And I feel like

47:58

they're right there as well. Like, I don't feel that way. that's too

48:00

far. So it's like not as much

48:02

separation between that like, Oh

48:04

no, like, I want to prolong my life

48:07

as long as I can. All this or that. It's, it's, it's

48:09

all like

48:10

closer together.

48:11

Wow. Yeah. That Keter

48:14

was with you, that you had someone to advocate

48:16

for you from a lot of those few weeks

48:18

and months. What

48:21

role did that play in you having the outcomes that you

48:23

did? Things happened in

48:25

a way for me that was,

48:29

I can't explain it. Like I was so lucky, you

48:31

know, I had Keter there, I had my sister

48:33

Tyler, my whole family flew

48:36

across. But like

48:38

Keter being right there, like washed,

48:41

cleaned, like just

48:43

took on this role of like support

48:47

and carer and just

48:50

like,

48:51

yeah,

48:54

being there for someone at

48:56

like for everything at

48:58

such a young age. And we'll both

49:01

of us, both of us. So yeah, I'll make it out like you

49:03

were like, you didn't have half

49:05

your age plus seven, you will and surely didn't like you. Yeah,

49:08

both of us. So young. And it was just

49:10

kind of like, yeah, just

49:12

so lucky for me because I do

49:15

like

49:16

recovering. I don't know how that would have looked

49:18

if I didn't have

49:20

all that support. No,

49:22

just from like getting out of the hospital, like I

49:25

couldn't get myself out of hospital. You know,

49:27

like to get out of there, I

49:29

had to get home to, to do whatever

49:32

I needed to do. I needed the help. Yeah.

49:35

And to be able to be there for

49:37

her then like

49:38

when,

49:40

you know, she's there for you when you're at your most vulnerable. And

49:43

I was thinking about as you're writing about, you

49:45

know, the birth of your kids. What was it like for

49:47

you to be there for her in those moments?

49:50

I mean, yeah, just

49:53

like birth of your kids is incredible work

49:55

and being there for her. Well,

49:58

you know, trying to reach.

49:59

return this favour

50:01

to her that I felt

50:04

still forever in her

50:06

debt, you know, to what she did

50:08

for us. Being there for her

50:10

with one kid, with two kids, you

50:13

know, even now with her career back

50:15

up and going and things like that, it's like, I just

50:18

have this like burning passion to like try and do everything

50:21

I can to like play support

50:23

because the support

50:25

that I got was unbelievable. But

50:28

you know, that's what a what a wonderful thing. It's not

50:30

like there's a bank balance somewhere. It's not like there's

50:32

a ledger. It's just an internal thing

50:34

that I'm just like that I've got to do that. It doesn't

50:36

feel great to do it though. It feels great. I love it. Yeah.

50:39

It's like one of my passions. Like,

50:42

yeah, it's like, oh, she did this

50:44

because of that. But it's like an internal, like,

50:47

I just,

50:49

it's a passion. Yeah. When

50:51

you were recovering,

50:53

meditation played a role

50:55

in getting you,

50:57

you know, I guess getting you through

50:59

some of the trickiest bits. Can you talk a bit about how

51:02

that works? Yeah, so

51:05

I'd

51:06

actually been meditating for a while.

51:09

I got taught by Matt Griggs. He's

51:11

been on here. And

51:15

I loved the

51:16

practice that he did, which was like short.

51:19

But then journaling afterwards. Yeah.

51:23

And that process, like

51:26

I was doing that twice a day, every day prior

51:28

to the accident.

51:29

And then so the accident happened. And there

51:31

was like people like, oh, meditation is good. And

51:34

so I just

51:35

was doing that a lot of the times and journaling

51:37

and a little nervous

51:40

to go back and read some of those notes. But I

51:42

have read them. But yeah, they kind of

51:44

go around and circles, to be honest. But that it

51:47

played a real big role because I got

51:49

to keep a track of like,

51:52

what

51:53

my morning was my afternoon,

51:56

trying to connect with like, what

51:58

was going on internally.

52:01

And like

52:02

calming down my brain

52:04

would have been going pretty

52:06

insane at the time. Was it working? Was

52:09

it great? I don't know.

52:12

But one thing's for sure, it was like something

52:14

that I did morning and night, just

52:16

had to do. What was it like having

52:19

that skill set of being able to observe

52:21

the thoughts rather than be the

52:24

thoughts? And some of those thoughts were doing pretty dark considering

52:26

the kind of trajectory that we were describing earlier. Yeah.

52:29

A lot of them were just so intense internally.

52:34

So like calming your brain

52:36

down and then dropping into your heart. And

52:38

in here was just this fireball.

52:42

And you'd kind of be like

52:45

shaking it sometimes. But

52:47

I guess that was just all the

52:50

trauma and what was going on

52:53

upstairs and the rest of it. I

52:56

think that just got,

52:57

it helped me process what

53:00

I was

53:00

dealing with in that moment. Lots

53:04

of frustration because I couldn't do things

53:09

and lots of fears and whatnot.

53:12

And I think the journaling and all that just kind

53:14

of helped me get through

53:16

that time. I still do it now. Well,

53:19

yeah, I love it. It did help

53:21

me observe. But

53:24

there was just something that couldn't help. Like

53:27

totally engulfing. Yeah, like

53:29

meltdowns and the

53:31

rest of it. And they all happened all

53:34

the time. But

53:37

that little moment at

53:39

the start of the day and at the end of the day

53:42

were like part of my routine

53:44

that my neurologist helped me kind of

53:47

stick to and family and friends

53:49

like, oh, you know, have

53:51

you done your meditation yet or like this

53:53

and that? So it was kind of those things to check

53:55

in. And it was like my own check in, you know, just like

53:57

a bit of time before things

53:59

get It's wild. I'm

54:03

a routine guy very much

54:05

when it comes to self-care stuff. I have

54:09

two times a day, of now and not now. So

54:12

if I make things habitual, then I know that that

54:14

kind of happened. And so I try to systemize

54:16

that kind of stuff. Can you

54:18

talk a bit about how having

54:21

a regular routine helped when

54:23

you had so many unknowns and so

54:25

many variables? What was the role

54:27

of having a routine in your recovery? Well,

54:30

I guess having what happened

54:32

to my brain and a lot of people

54:34

probably have something,

54:36

been through something similar, have something similar to this is,

54:39

that experience gave me a really

54:42

great appreciation for routine. Like

54:45

it's mundane as people say

54:47

it is and it's not freeing and you

54:50

know, do things that drop out. Our brains

54:52

really do hate for freedom as

54:55

much as what we, you know, like it

54:57

sounds bad to say, but

55:00

it's anxiety, it's unknown. It's like all

55:02

these things that are like, uncertainty and yeah, they're good times.

55:08

But like your brain really

55:10

does function with a lot of ease when

55:12

you can get up in the morning and your brain

55:15

knows that I am going to do this

55:17

for five minutes. I'm going to journal for this

55:20

and then I'm going to go for a walk and then

55:22

I'm going to come back and I'm going to eat this food and

55:24

like, you know, it's just the same

55:26

thing. It really can calm your

55:29

brain down because it's like in

55:31

a pattern. So

55:34

routine played a big part in my recovery

55:37

and that was one thing that the neurologist

55:39

passed on to me was like, get a good routine,

55:42

set it as soon as you get up

55:44

and then watch the rest of

55:46

the day go to shit because

55:49

that's what was happening. But every

55:52

day that I set that routine and then

55:54

I set it again the next day, it's all right. I'm

55:56

going to set it again the next day could be crying and everything.

55:59

Where am I?

56:57

What

58:00

was that challenge like versus the kind

58:03

of thing you'd kind of built up to your whole life from the

58:05

age of five to, yeah, sure, I'll paddle into this,

58:07

you know, 20 foot wall of death

58:09

that's breaking over a meter of razor sharp

58:12

ring. Like, what was that

58:14

challenge like? Dude, it was so

58:17

tough. Like I'm saying here, I'm talking like

58:19

as if I got to achieve that for

58:21

the day, but it was like some

58:24

days, man, there's a truck

58:26

on top of me. I've been like up

58:29

all night, no sleep, nothing. And that's

58:31

just like, just

58:33

not

58:34

any part of brain thought that can

58:36

get to retain, but it was just

58:39

getting into it. And then it,

58:42

things got better once, just if you made

58:44

a start. It's like this thing,

58:46

like all this stuff could be so wrong. And

58:49

just as I'd get into it, it would

58:51

be like, like just a

58:53

tiny little bit of light come in, you know,

58:55

and sort of like all the rest of the

58:58

darkness that you're feeling of the frustration

59:01

and the lost feeling. It

59:04

would just be this little bit of light. I'm like, oh,

59:06

there it is. Something I know. And

59:09

it would just slowly clog

59:12

over and like click over

59:14

and I'd be like, ah, and I'd just be kind

59:16

of in a nice little track. So even though

59:18

it was a party, it was like, I don't want to try, I don't want to do

59:20

it today. Part of you knew, just start?

59:23

Yeah. Well, I didn't know what

59:26

that was, but some part of me would drag

59:28

myself to it. Right.

59:31

Like, just do it. Like, I just,

59:33

I was horrible, like as

59:36

bad as it gets. Right. But

59:38

I just, I think I just had so much

59:41

in my life leading up to

59:43

that. Yeah. That

59:46

like, just making a start. Like the amount

59:48

of times I got out of bed as a teenager

59:50

and a young kid to, up

59:52

at four o'clock in the morning at four 30 is freezing

59:55

cold and, you know, running the streets

59:57

and doing, you know. doing

1:00:00

these things, low squats, yards

1:00:03

up and airs for 20 minutes. Those

1:00:06

things you never

1:00:08

want to do. Every day doing

1:00:10

that, I would do that every day for

1:00:13

training with my dad, for mental training.

1:00:16

It was like, that's

1:00:18

what getting into this routine,

1:00:21

head injury was like. Just to meditate,

1:00:24

just to start, was pushing

1:00:26

over that edge. I think

1:00:28

that's something that I just innately

1:00:31

had already experienced, just push over.

1:00:34

Pushing over, I think that's what made all the difference in

1:00:36

that recovery. It's because like, just drag yourself,

1:00:39

kicking and screaming really. That's

1:00:41

also what the neurologist said. When he was breaking

1:00:44

this recovery down to me, I

1:00:46

was like, oh yeah, I know what you're talking

1:00:49

about. Yeah, oh yeah. Just to get... It's

1:00:52

not going to get better until it kind of

1:00:54

feels uncomfortable. That's where it both

1:00:56

happens. He'd find

1:00:58

it to me like, okay, if you

1:01:00

want to go to the gym and you want to grow your muscle,

1:01:03

you have to tear that muscle before it gets any

1:01:05

bigger. I was like, oh

1:01:08

my God, I've got such a long road. It's

1:01:15

like my pre-life had

1:01:18

set me up to really

1:01:21

grasp what I needed. It's extraordinary. Yeah,

1:01:23

you're right. I don't know

1:01:27

if someone else had this kind of level of

1:01:29

injury, their ability to

1:01:31

recover, not having ever known what it

1:01:33

is to... I know this discomfort, this

1:01:35

is pushing myself to the point where it's so

1:01:38

uncomfortable. I know this is where the growth happens. If you'd never

1:01:40

done that before, you'd never get off the couch.

1:01:43

Yeah, I mean, I look back at my childhood

1:01:45

in such a beautiful

1:01:47

way, like so thankful for it because

1:01:49

it really... It's really pretty full on, bro. It really

1:01:52

is pretty intense. And

1:01:55

it's so funny, everyone's opinion of

1:01:57

it, right? Because it's... Yeah, there

1:01:59

was moments... that I was doing these squats

1:02:01

where I'd be crying and things like that but

1:02:04

I look back and like

1:02:06

that got me everything I got today you

1:02:08

know that got me out of the darkest

1:02:11

place or the you know most injured place

1:02:13

I could ever having that yeah that

1:02:16

experience but like writing

1:02:19

about it when I was running I was

1:02:21

like wow like it is a

1:02:23

little bit messed up

1:02:27

but it also gave me so much it

1:02:29

gave me so much later

1:02:31

like life will throw

1:02:33

you things that you're not ready for or like tests

1:02:35

that you you might be ready for and and

1:02:37

that's kind of the

1:02:39

way I look at it is that that that upbringing

1:02:42

really did

1:02:45

like give me a shot at making out of that

1:02:48

but also the neurologist echoed this man he

1:02:50

literally said like hey like

1:02:53

if you sit down it's not

1:02:55

happening like you gotta regain

1:02:57

your life and it was like there's no

1:02:59

one else can do it yeah so he

1:03:02

it was like all right my dad's taught

1:03:04

me this before all right

1:03:06

neurologist telling me this to make it really

1:03:09

they only really get one chance in life to make a surf movie

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scuttle his Senate campaign, which is,

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increased my sense of urgency a little bit,

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but these were stories that before any of that came

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out, before Mitt Romney said he wouldn't be running

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for Senate in the next cycle, we

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were days away from publishing. So it

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just didn't

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have any effect. The

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story about misconduct, which

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we had been reporting on for

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a couple of months,

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the timing of that

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came about because the story

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we published on Friday added,

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it

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changed the dynamic a little bit and we were able

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to get a little more confirmation

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as to

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what the nature of the investigation that had led to

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or preceded his resignation was.

1:07:05

And so at that point we felt really confident

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publishing our story, but the

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allegations came up earlier

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this year and the investigation was early this

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slash Hollywood Crime Scene. Melrose

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hired defense attorney Earl Rogers.

1:16:08

This is the same defense attorney who

1:16:11

defended Griffith J. Griffith in his

1:16:13

attempted murder case. Okay. District

1:16:16

Attorney Fredericks was shocked

1:16:18

when nearly a month later Judge Smith

1:16:21

allowed Melrose to be released on

1:16:24

$10,000 bail.

1:16:26

Frederick said,

1:16:27

I've never heard of a case where a man was admitted

1:16:29

to bail without consulting the district attorney

1:16:31

first. The Los Angeles

1:16:34

Evening Express reported that the residents of

1:16:36

Acton were terrified

1:16:37

to learn of Melrose's release.

1:16:40

One of the witnesses at the preliminary hearing,

1:16:42

Ira Hauser, moved his family

1:16:44

out of Acton when Melrose came back. Ira,

1:16:48

who was described as a quote big

1:16:50

powerfully built German man, was

1:16:53

quoted as saying, Acton has grown

1:16:55

too small to hold Melrose and myself. I

1:16:58

don't want to get into trouble and I know that if I

1:17:00

continue to live here I'm either gonna break every

1:17:02

limb in that man, eat him, or go

1:17:05

into his store one day with a shotgun

1:17:08

and blow his head to pieces.

1:17:09

Or all of them. Eat him? Why did he say

1:17:13

eat him? He inadvertently revealed a sick

1:17:18

fantasy of his.

1:17:22

Right? We need to investigate this guy. I

1:17:24

should do some investigation on this

1:17:26

big powerfully built German man.

1:17:28

Who likes to eat human flesh? Sounds

1:17:31

like a killer. Excuse me? Beat

1:17:33

him. Beat him. I'm

1:17:35

going to beat him.

1:17:37

Ira Hauser's beef with Melrose dated

1:17:40

before

1:17:40

the shooting of William Broome. He already

1:17:42

didn't like this guy. He

1:17:45

explained that he once had some business

1:17:47

dealings with him and he said that Melrose

1:17:49

was rude to his wife.

1:17:51

Wow.

1:17:53

The Los Angeles Evening Express continued

1:17:55

saying that the district attorney's office said

1:17:57

that they were told that Melrose beat

1:17:59

up an old man.

1:17:59

in the neighborhood. So

1:18:02

there's all this reporting happening

1:18:05

as soon as Melrose gets let

1:18:07

out about all the gossip about

1:18:09

him in town. Yeah, like what's coming

1:18:11

forward. Everyone's spilling

1:18:14

shit. And this is 1903. And

1:18:16

as we discussed, newspaper

1:18:18

articles were just like wild, like where

1:18:20

was the journalistic integrity? Now

1:18:23

they'll take anything they will take any story

1:18:25

and be like, well, we heard so we're

1:18:28

going to print it. Yeah, there's no source

1:18:30

here. People are just saying stuff

1:18:32

and the papers printing it. So

1:18:34

the Los Angeles Evening Express says that allegedly,

1:18:38

I don't even think they use the word allegedly,

1:18:40

they're like Melrose apparently beat up an

1:18:43

old man in the neighborhood. The old

1:18:45

man's cow apparently died on Melrose's

1:18:47

property after eating a poisonous plant.

1:18:50

And the old man asked if Melrose could bury

1:18:52

it. Melrose replied, bury

1:18:54

it yourself, you blank.

1:18:56

I'll bury you.

1:18:58

Melrose then allegedly

1:19:01

slapped and kicked this old man.

1:19:04

Not

1:19:06

over the top. It's pretty over the I

1:19:08

like that he's an old man too, right? Yeah.

1:19:11

Like a poor wizard old man.

1:19:13

Excuse me, can you bury

1:19:14

my cow? Bury

1:19:18

it yourself, you dick. Just

1:19:21

like, okay. Defense

1:19:23

attorney Earl Rogers pushed back

1:19:25

against these claims made by the Los Angeles

1:19:27

Evening Express. He stated that the claims

1:19:30

of act and residents running around

1:19:32

scared of his clients,

1:19:34

client were not only false, but part of

1:19:36

a conspiracy to build him up as some

1:19:38

kind of monster. Rogers

1:19:40

said that Ira Hauser moved away before

1:19:43

Melrose was granted bail and that his

1:19:45

statements were driven by his own personal

1:19:48

resentments against him. Rogers

1:19:50

continued that at trial, he would prove

1:19:53

that his client shot broom and self-defense

1:19:56

and that the assertions made by witnesses

1:19:58

that Melrose viciously murdered broom

1:20:00

were bullshit and motivated by

1:20:02

their own previous

1:20:03

beefs with him.

1:20:05

The trial began in April of 1903. An

1:20:09

eyewitness named August Schult

1:20:12

called normal Melrose the worstest

1:20:14

man in the world during the coroner's

1:20:17

inquest. Now this guy

1:20:19

August

1:20:19

Schult,

1:20:21

at first he's described as a German man,

1:20:23

but later he's described as a Swede.

1:20:26

They can't decide, like we

1:20:28

something, we know he's something

1:20:30

from up there, he's got

1:20:33

one of those funny accents. And

1:20:35

they, the LA Times

1:20:37

writes his testimony, like

1:20:40

they spell it phonetically, like for

1:20:43

his accent. Oh my god. So

1:20:45

we'll, we'll

1:20:47

quote some of what they wrote. Okay. They,

1:20:50

they did, they

1:20:51

were really, they did not give a shit.

1:20:53

And they remarked several times. They're like his funny

1:20:56

accent on the stand when

1:20:58

he was testifying, his silly little

1:21:01

German Swedish accent. We got to

1:21:03

show

1:21:03

you what we mean. You won't believe

1:21:06

this.

1:21:07

He won't believe what this guy August Schult

1:21:09

said. So

1:21:15

August said

1:21:18

that he saw Melrose shoot

1:21:20

Broome sending him onto the ground. And

1:21:23

then he saw Melrose

1:21:25

shoot Broome three more times. As

1:21:28

Broome lay dying in the street, Melrose

1:21:30

kicked him. At the trial,

1:21:33

the defense asked Schult

1:21:36

if August was drunk when

1:21:38

he witnessed this.

1:21:40

In their coverage of this testimony, like

1:21:42

I said, the Los Angeles Times mimicked Schult's

1:21:45

German accent. He told the courtroom

1:21:47

that he wasn't drunk

1:21:49

quote,

1:21:50

before the shooting. But

1:21:55

after the shooting, I was

1:21:57

drinking pretty heavy.

1:22:00

The

1:22:03

defense asked Schult why his testimony

1:22:06

between the coroner's inquest till now had changed.

1:22:09

Schult couldn't provide an answer.

1:22:12

I was drinking. I

1:22:14

was drinking. Was drinking

1:22:16

heavy.

1:22:19

The defense sought to prove that Melrose

1:22:21

was the victim of a conspiracy, claiming

1:22:24

everyone from the medical examiner to Acton's

1:22:26

residence were exaggerating the facts of the

1:22:28

case to show that Melrose didn't

1:22:30

kill Broome in self-defense. Defense

1:22:33

attorney Rogers believed that

1:22:35

the medical examiner lied about the

1:22:37

number of bullets found in Broome's body.

1:22:40

He wanted to raise doubt as to whether

1:22:43

some of the wounds were caused by bullets

1:22:45

or fists. So

1:22:47

she

1:22:48

was or like a sharp Bob, some

1:22:50

kind of blunt object. He

1:22:52

punched a hole. That's

1:22:55

strong. He's claiming that

1:22:57

the medical examiner is

1:23:00

like claimed some wound

1:23:02

was a bullet wound when it was just a cut

1:23:04

or something. Some kind of

1:23:06

open, open, gash, gash,

1:23:09

some kind of like, yeah. Selma

1:23:13

Swanson, who by the way,

1:23:15

had to tell the courtroom,

1:23:17

I am not a Swedish barmaid. I

1:23:20

mean the name. She was referred. She

1:23:22

was referred to as a Swedish barmaid

1:23:24

and she correct them. She's like, don't call me a Swedish

1:23:26

barmaid. I am Selma Swanson.

1:23:31

She owned the Acton Hotel

1:23:34

and she testified that Broome had lunch

1:23:36

at the hotel before he was killed. He

1:23:38

then went to shoot pigeons outside. She

1:23:41

said that she witnessed the shooting from

1:23:43

the back gate of her hotel. She

1:23:46

said she didn't witness any wrestling

1:23:50

over this gun and

1:23:52

that Melrose drew his revolver

1:23:55

at Broome

1:23:56

and Broome backed away. And as

1:23:59

Broome hurried away. she said that Melrose

1:24:01

shot him in the back of the head with his

1:24:03

revolver.

1:24:04

So not

1:24:06

a fair fight, right?

1:24:08

Not self defense either. That's what that's

1:24:10

what Selma Swanson is claiming. While Broome

1:24:13

was on the ground, she said Melrose

1:24:15

fired three more shots into him and then

1:24:18

began kicking him and beating him

1:24:20

with his revolver. Whoa. Swanson

1:24:23

said that she cried out for Melrose to stomp.

1:24:26

He turned around, looked at her, and

1:24:28

resumed the beating.

1:24:30

Swanson says that she yelled for her husband,

1:24:32

and when he came outside, Melrose pointed

1:24:34

the gun at him and said, no interference

1:24:36

here.

1:24:38

She said afterward, Melrose took

1:24:40

Broome's shotgun, put it in his wheelbarrow,

1:24:42

and walked away calmly. Mr.

1:24:45

Swanson rushed over to Broome and carried

1:24:48

him into the hotel where he died 25 minutes

1:24:50

later. Mr.

1:24:52

Swanson also witnessed the confrontation

1:24:55

and the shooting, and he echoed his wife's

1:24:57

testimony. On cross,

1:24:59

the defense asked if it was possible

1:25:02

that Broome backed into Melrose's

1:25:04

wheelbarrow. They're like, maybe he didn't bump

1:25:06

him. He's just innocently

1:25:08

pushing his wheelbarrow and Broome

1:25:10

backed into it. Ira

1:25:13

Hauser testified to witnessing

1:25:16

part of the shooting from his kitchen window. After

1:25:19

the first shot rang out, he ran to the window

1:25:21

where he said he saw Melrose standing over

1:25:24

Broome and shooting him three more times.

1:25:26

The defense sought to prove that Melrose

1:25:29

had been persecuted by the town of Acton.

1:25:32

In his opening statements, defense attorney

1:25:34

Rogers said that the graves of his

1:25:36

family had been desecrated, his

1:25:39

cattle poisoned, and his trees cut

1:25:41

down.

1:25:42

He said that Broome had previously threatened

1:25:44

Melrose with a sawed-off shotgun.

1:25:46

He said Melrose didn't shoot Broome because

1:25:49

he was running away, but because Broome

1:25:51

was running toward the shotgun that he

1:25:53

had leaned up against the gate of the Acton Hotel.

1:25:57

A witness named Mrs. Kruger had testified

1:25:59

to seen Melrose's standing over Broome and shooting

1:26:01

him.

1:26:02

On cross, Rogers asked her

1:26:04

about her relationship to Melrose. This

1:26:07

was to establish her previously held animosity

1:26:09

toward him.

1:26:10

She admitted that she didn't like Melrose because

1:26:13

he had caused her to lose her saloon

1:26:15

license. Nelson

1:26:18

Newton testified to talking to Melrose before

1:26:20

the shooting. Melrose was shit-talking

1:26:22

Broome. He didn't see the shooting,

1:26:25

but he did hear Broome yelling at Melrose

1:26:27

that day.

1:26:29

Captain Jay Cummings, who worked

1:26:31

for the United States Land Office, testified

1:26:33

for the defense.

1:26:35

He said that during a conversation

1:26:37

with Broome about oil lands,

1:26:39

Broome said that if he killed Melrose,

1:26:42

he would make a lot of money.

1:26:43

A local actin miner

1:26:45

named T.J. Shafer also testified

1:26:48

to hearing Broome making threats against

1:26:50

Melrose.

1:26:51

Shafer told Melrose that Broome said

1:26:53

he was going to buy a shotgun and kill him. John

1:26:56

Henry, a friend of Melrose's, also

1:26:59

testified to hearing Broome making threats

1:27:01

against Melrose. Broome was

1:27:03

shit-talking Melrose to this guy while

1:27:05

they were hanging out at the detective's

1:27:08

office one day. The detective,

1:27:10

A.W. March, heard them shit-talking

1:27:13

Melrose, and he said, Hey,

1:27:16

you can't abuse Melrose in this office. None

1:27:18

of my watch.

1:27:22

John Henry went to Melrose

1:27:24

and told him to get out of town because Broome wanted

1:27:26

to kill him. Ooh.

1:27:28

When March testified, he told the court

1:27:30

that he went with Melrose to pick out the revolver

1:27:32

for self-defense. The same revolver

1:27:34

would later

1:27:35

be used in the shooting.

1:27:37

Another actin resident, Mrs. Louise

1:27:40

Gorman, said that Broome approached her one

1:27:42

day and said, Don't

1:27:44

be surprised to pick up the paper one day and see

1:27:46

that I killed Melrose.

1:27:48

This was after Melrose

1:27:49

shot Broome's dog. He

1:27:52

said to Mrs. Gorman, I'll kill that

1:27:54

blank blank blank the first chance I get.

1:27:58

I mean, that's smart.

1:29:59

Two of you yet.

1:30:01

Oh my God. Broom then hit

1:30:03

Paul. The two started fighting

1:30:06

and at some point during the fight, Paul managed

1:30:08

to knock Broom's lit cigar down his mouth.

1:30:11

What?

1:30:13

I guess when they started fighting,

1:30:15

Broom was smoking a cigar. Did

1:30:18

you ever inhale an ash? Of course.

1:30:20

It's so awful. It's horrible.

1:30:24

Paul was able to escape after that. One

1:30:27

night after the fight, Paul said that

1:30:29

he found the tires of his bicycle flat.

1:30:32

Feeling uneasy, he turned around but

1:30:35

said that he could see

1:30:36

Broom lurking in the bushes with a gun.

1:30:39

What a nightmare. I

1:30:44

mean this guy Broom is like

1:30:45

so paranoid and

1:30:47

so enraged about

1:30:50

Melrose. He's going all

1:30:52

over town

1:30:54

accusing people of

1:30:56

conspiring with Melrose to make fun

1:30:58

of him or whatever. Paul's

1:31:02

mom also testified that Broom

1:31:04

came into her store and demanded

1:31:06

that she write him a handwritten apology.

1:31:09

She was like, why?

1:31:11

And then he started ranting

1:31:13

about Melrose.

1:31:15

My God. A woman named

1:31:17

Pearl testified that one night while

1:31:19

she was waiting for the train, Broom

1:31:21

approached her and showed her his gun

1:31:24

and said, I carry this for Mr.

1:31:26

Melrose. Just FYI. But

1:31:32

is he just literally walking around town?

1:31:34

Yeah. It's so crazy. And

1:31:36

he said, I carry this for Mr. Melrose

1:31:39

and Melrose carries one for me. Nice

1:31:42

to meet you.

1:31:45

A local teacher

1:31:48

named Lillian Plato said that she

1:31:50

saw the shooting through her binoculars.

1:31:53

So she's a

1:31:55

nosy old bitch.

1:31:59

know, sweeping her binoculars

1:32:02

around, panning around side to side.

1:32:04

And then she's

1:32:05

like, Ooh,

1:32:09

finally, dream

1:32:11

of a nosy old bitch

1:32:12

to finally see something. She said

1:32:15

that Melrose did not shoot Broome from

1:32:17

behind.

1:32:18

But while they were in the middle of their struggle,

1:32:21

and that it was actually Broome who fired

1:32:23

the first shot. She was

1:32:25

challenged by the prosecution during cross

1:32:27

examination. And

1:32:29

when deputy district attorney McCombus

1:32:32

said, quote,

1:32:33

isn't it true that you told your friend

1:32:35

the next day at the schoolhouse how you didn't

1:32:37

know anything about this trouble until the next

1:32:39

day when you heard it from the boys at school?

1:32:42

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actually very excited And

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stick around a speech

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that's the answer to it a lot I

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think there's a Forward

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coordinates didn't disappear

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to the maybe police involved in the

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detail, and this would show us how his

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takes care of me, is my screaming

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obviously

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or

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am a

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poor person that's the zusiacs

1:54:37

these

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Mortals are to work for you as part of their punishment

1:54:41

their great humiliations for the Warfather.

1:54:43

Oh Anyway,

1:54:47

I have to go to a waltz a

1:54:50

solo waltz rehearsal so

1:54:52

goodbye She got her hour long

1:54:54

hand's not? Yeah, she's got her hour long hand's

1:54:56

not Gonna drink it's a big penis straw.

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1:55:01

a penis because it's a cat

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exact same

1:55:15

Ratio as Apple

1:55:17

it's a completely different people

1:55:19

there was no crossover, but now

1:55:22

we got them all I got them all Doka

1:55:24

is gone and it's 40% of them Doka's

1:55:27

gone and in her absence the

1:55:29

zusiacs is looking at well

1:55:31

not rivets because he's passed down on the floor but

1:55:34

at filled at freezo at Bobby

1:55:37

and at Anthony but also

1:55:39

at Logan

1:55:40

this has come at an opportune time. I'll

1:55:43

be honest with you

1:55:45

The wedding rehearsal is tomorrow and

1:55:47

several of our staff have come down

1:55:49

with bad assholes

1:55:52

oh No,

1:55:54

we still doing

1:55:56

the toilet cleaner thing well

1:55:59

Before you clean the

1:56:02

toilets, you

1:56:04

can fill in for them. You

1:56:07

want me to poop

1:56:08

in the toilets? No, I don't want you to do anything

1:56:10

with the toilets. I've got a toilet tester, I guess. I

1:56:13

mean, it takes all time, so you've got to have a great job at it. I

1:56:15

can literally hear people in the audience groaning. I just

1:56:17

want to be clear about it. What do

1:56:19

you want us to do? What's the job? Be specific. I need

1:56:22

clear direction.

1:56:23

Well, we... We

1:56:26

have the wedding rehearsal tomorrow

1:56:28

night. Tortle. Do you

1:56:31

have any skills? Absolutely. Well...

1:56:35

Oh, sorry. I'm pretty

1:56:37

good with magic. I can go into my shell.

1:56:41

That's not magic. Let's just go. I'm

1:56:43

not a trick. There were two separate things. I can

1:56:45

go over there. Yeah, well, great. That's not

1:56:48

a trick. I was saying there were two separate things. All

1:56:50

right. Well, hang on. Is one

1:56:52

of your skills just going into your shell? Can

1:56:55

you go into your shell? Okay.

1:56:59

You shall be the entertainment. You!

1:57:04

Which one of me are you looking at? Big

1:57:06

dumb one. Oh, yeah. Can

1:57:09

you wait? Forever.

1:57:16

Phil takes a tactical second to reply.

1:57:18

How

1:57:21

was that? Mika de l'Ogge.

1:57:29

You are security.

1:57:31

Aha. You

1:57:34

failed at being a waiter, unfortunately. Anyone

1:57:39

else with the ability to maybe mix

1:57:41

drinks or serve or...

1:57:44

You understand what a wedding rehearsal

1:57:46

requires?

1:57:47

Do you need a celebrant?

1:57:51

Well, the celebrant was one of the people who

1:57:53

had a bad arsehole. I'm

1:57:56

not...read just... It's a rehearsal,

1:57:59

it doesn't matter. I'm registered.

1:58:01

You know what you were raised you were raised

1:58:03

in the

1:58:04

light of mister in a temple in the temple

1:58:07

So yeah, you probably could do a service to

1:58:09

the god of magic if you needed to I can marry

1:58:11

people You engaged.

1:58:14

Yes. Do you want to get married right now?

1:58:16

Yes Where's

1:58:18

your partner?

1:58:20

Is

1:58:24

it a war? Yeah I Was

1:58:28

it a war? Yeah, don't talk. How did you

1:58:30

guys be on a boat? I'm

1:58:34

a sea captain A

1:58:41

war is completely already swim

1:58:43

as far as it wants to go But I can't

1:58:46

carry more than two people on my back So I thought

1:58:48

why not get a boat and I can bury all

1:58:50

number of people around and you're a bird

1:58:53

you can fly Yeah, you're the boat.

1:58:56

I was lost He

1:58:59

shows up on my poop deck Pending

1:59:02

and huffing and puffing like you wouldn't

1:59:04

believe and I'm like are you flies like well,

1:59:06

I'm very tired I've been flying in circles.

1:59:09

Oh, you love telling this story and

1:59:11

so I say Tell

1:59:14

them what I say

1:59:17

He says to me

1:59:21

Do it tell him how I say it with

1:59:23

his eyes all of goo-goo like

1:59:25

love hearts at his tusks erect

1:59:29

erect He

1:59:31

says you're the aren't

1:59:34

you just the prettiest bird

1:59:36

I've ever seen on my poop deck That's

1:59:39

crazy. I mean he says not

1:59:41

yet Give it time

1:59:44

buy a girl a drink first I say

1:59:46

that so he buys me a drink

1:59:49

and we goodness me

1:59:51

we fuck Late

1:59:54

into the night that's a beautiful

1:59:56

story cuz I saw a YouTube video one

1:59:58

time where a walrus ate a bird, just

2:00:01

straight out of the air like, HOMP! It was pretty

2:00:03

close! Let me tell you! AAAAAAARGH!

2:00:09

Okay, entertainer, security,

2:00:11

celebrant, which leaves Bobby and Bethany.

2:00:14

Anyway, I now pronounce

2:00:16

you legally married. Ha ha ha! That's

2:00:19

the most beautiful vows I've ever heard in my life!

2:00:22

AAAAAAARGH! Yeah,

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they just start really

2:00:26

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and, and, Bobby and I shall dress the

2:01:07

groom, because we are really good at

2:01:09

doing bow ties.

2:01:11

Okay, fine, I don't care. Right,

2:01:14

so Bethany and Bobby are going to go dress the groom. But in the meantime,

2:01:17

you return to the ass wipers,

2:01:20

um, area. Yeah. The

2:01:23

tastefully appointed ass wipers'

2:01:25

quarters. Okay, it's a really nice room. I don't

2:01:27

know why they call it that. They're union

2:01:29

guys, it's actually really, really good. It's

2:01:32

like a vending machine and the cokes are

2:01:34

like, like $19.94 prices. Yeah,

2:01:39

it's a really cheap vending machine. And,

2:01:42

and there's good TV and there's a DVD

2:01:44

lending library. Because it's like a union place, is there

2:01:46

like a doctor we can see? Yep. Never,

2:01:49

fine. Is

2:01:51

there like a, just a room I can, is there like a library I can just

2:01:53

go hang out in? There's a lending library, yeah. I'm

2:01:56

gonna go to the library, Dave, and can I, can Friso check

2:01:58

out that mystical book that he... got yeah

2:02:01

if you want to sure so he got a mystical

2:02:04

spell book that you got the spell book of Corbin

2:02:06

the ninth black you don't need to

2:02:08

go to a library to read a book that you already yeah

2:02:10

you can read that anywhere are you gonna put a po

2:02:13

you're gonna read it on

2:02:15

a toilet or something it's a mystical book yeah no one's ever

2:02:17

read a book on a toilet before you're gonna have like

2:02:19

the book of

2:02:22

Kells and take that into the shitter are you maybe

2:02:24

a thousand years old guess what Mike you're not

2:02:26

the fucking boss of Tom Carter and unfortunately

2:02:29

Michael what because you've chosen to do this in the

2:02:31

library there's a there's a it's a small library there's

2:02:33

a narrow bench and there are you can

2:02:35

web yourself in between two people one

2:02:37

of whom is reading like a

2:02:39

heavily thumbed light

2:02:42

piece of kind of light erotica and the other one

2:02:44

who's reading a Naruto trade paperback

2:02:47

both called day

2:02:49

got

2:02:51

it got it what sorry

2:02:54

Jackie the kids growing up without

2:02:57

a dad because that

2:03:03

killed a children

2:03:06

don't know how to do that well

2:03:09

it's crazy day that was like

2:03:13

that was like one sentence room it still was two

2:03:15

insults for you it was like

2:03:18

it's the most efficient bullying I've ever done yeah

2:03:22

you know what the spellbooks blank oh

2:03:25

no Dave honestly I know you don't mean that because

2:03:27

that wouldn't be part of the rich world you're building

2:03:29

no

2:03:31

respect I have no respect maybe

2:03:34

you have to be able to see that what you're

2:03:36

doing is it no not

2:03:37

until

2:03:40

you say you know you're gonna stand up are

2:03:42

you gonna piss are you gonna piss on that spell book

2:03:44

in front of those two days it's actually

2:03:46

one of the

2:03:52

chapters in the lighter on the table

2:03:57

no David the silver blank the spellbook and no

2:03:59

it's not It's not blank, it's not blank. Are you going to read

2:04:01

it? Yeah, I'm going to have a little squiz! Alright,

2:04:04

you flick it open to all and you see

2:04:06

turning page after page more and more powerful spells.

2:04:09

It seems a complete library, a

2:04:11

catalogue of all of the most powerful warlock spells

2:04:13

known and unknown. All the spells you know

2:04:15

but also all the spells you don't as you get more

2:04:17

and more excited. You flick the pages quicker and

2:04:19

quicker and quicker and make for me a dexterity save

2:04:22

because 12 pages in there is

2:04:24

a glyph of blasting, a trap for

2:04:26

one who would steal a spell book for

2:04:29

one as powerful

2:04:29

as Corbin. So

2:04:32

this is dexterity? It makes you blast.

2:04:34

Saving throw, yeah. That's

2:04:37

a 15 plus dexterity,

2:04:39

saving so plus 3 is 18.

2:04:41

Plus, plus one better than save.

2:04:46

Yeah. You snap the

2:04:48

book shut at the last second.

2:04:51

I want you to write this down because I'm not going to remind you again

2:04:53

but on the 12th page of this spell book

2:04:55

is a glyph that will make the entire

2:04:57

spell book explode. You can

2:05:00

at any time if you can get a knight off and remember you can't

2:05:02

get a knight off at the moment because you are currently on a punishment

2:05:04

detail but if you can get a knight off

2:05:07

to study it you can take any warlock

2:05:09

spells, you can replace your entire catalogue of spells

2:05:12

and get as many spells of your maximum

2:05:14

level. Big improvement

2:05:16

for free though. I just need to not

2:05:19

look at that 12th page. You just need to not work

2:05:21

for 8, well yes, but also you need to not work

2:05:23

for an 8 hour knight. You

2:05:25

have to get a knight off. Okay. So

2:05:27

you can't do it right now but you can do

2:05:30

it any other time. I left you join the union. Oh yeah, you're

2:05:32

a wane. I went in. I went in a library

2:05:34

card. Now while you were doing that what about the

2:05:36

rest of you?

2:05:37

So we're in the in our asswiping

2:05:40

quarters?

2:05:40

Well yeah, you're in this tastefully appointed asswiping

2:05:42

quarters. You have a second to yourself. Um, I'm practicing

2:05:45

card tricks because I refuse to do

2:05:47

actual magic as an entertainer.

2:05:49

Are you good at card tricks? No. You're

2:05:52

going to do every card trick you can learn in the hour before

2:05:54

you go on stage.

2:05:59

Yeah, so most of them involve

2:06:02

just

2:06:03

guessing over and over until you get the

2:06:05

card right. And

2:06:08

that'll take 52 times maybe. Well,

2:06:10

if you're exceptionally unlucky. And I am. Yeah.

2:06:14

Are there

2:06:16

any

2:06:17