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1:40

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1:45

I wish it were me, Tom. Not me either.

1:47

Why do I wish it were me? I

1:51

have a fund. I just have a fund. Yeah,

1:53

but you didn't. You don't hold stock. I don't.

1:56

You hold up. Yeah, yeah. Nvidia

1:58

just became the most valuable company. in

2:00

the world passing Microsoft. So congratulations

2:02

Jensen Huang. And for the rest

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of us, you can now

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start hating Nvidia because everyone always hates the

2:08

biggest companies in the world. So there you

2:10

go. Yeah. All right. Congratulations

2:12

to all. Take it down a peg,

2:14

Nvidia. Now the rest of the quick

2:17

hits. Google

2:19

expanded its Gemini chatbot app

2:22

to Android in Bangladesh, India,

2:24

Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Turkey.

2:26

You can now download it

2:28

in the Play Store,

2:30

turn it on in Google

2:32

Assistant, and then in iOS

2:34

toggle a switcher at the

2:36

top of the Google app.

2:38

Gemini now supports nine languages

2:40

used in the new territories.

2:42

Gemini also is coming to

2:44

Google messages starting in English.

2:47

Worldwide, Gemini is available in

2:49

Google messages and all Android

2:51

devices with six gigabytes of

2:53

RAM or more. Before today,

2:56

it was limited to Pixel

2:58

and Samsung models. So big

3:00

expansion. The information sources say

3:03

Apple has told suppliers it has

3:05

stopped working on Apple Vision Pro

3:07

2. Instead, it's focusing on

3:09

a less expensive version of the current

3:11

Apple Vision Pro for release by the

3:14

end of next year. Supposedly the price

3:16

of this cheaper one would be closer

3:18

to $1,500 instead of

3:22

the $3,500 of the current one. All

3:24

the work now goes on making the

3:26

device lighter as well as cheaper without

3:28

sacrificing too much capability. Fisker,

3:32

the California-based electric car company

3:34

has filed for Chapter 11

3:36

bankruptcy and in its discussions with

3:39

stakeholders regarding debtor in possession and

3:41

the sale of its assets. In

3:43

other words, they're selling the company

3:46

for Back in

3:48

February, Fisker highlighted worries about staying

3:50

in business and later didn't secure

3:53

an investment from

3:55

anybody, but especially a

3:57

large automaker which was alleged to have

4:00

the Nissan at the time reported

4:02

by Reuters. If you need a

4:04

really thin keyboard for travel, but

4:07

everyone you find is too big,

4:09

meet the Logitech Keys2Go 2. It's

4:12

less than a centimeter thick, at a third

4:15

of an inch, weighs 7.8 ounces, so you

4:17

can slip it right in your bag, and

4:20

the Keys still have 1.1 millimeters of

4:22

travel and a full roll of shortcut

4:24

keys for things like play, pause, volume,

4:26

brightness, etc. Easy switch keys

4:29

can toggle between up to three Bluetooth connections,

4:31

so you can use it on multiple devices

4:33

and change with just a tap. Sports

4:36

Windows, Mac OS, iOS, iPad

4:38

OS, Android, and Chrome OS.

4:40

The downsides are no kickstand,

4:44

and it uses disposable coin

4:46

cell batteries. You can't

4:48

recharge it, but it supposedly

4:50

gets 36 months

4:52

of battery life, so you won't

4:54

need to change those coin cell batteries very

4:56

often, and it costs you $80. 36

5:00

months of battery life. I may not

5:03

even live that long. You

5:06

never know. Meta-owned

5:09

Threads has launched an API

5:11

for developers allowing third-party apps

5:13

to publish posts, fetch their

5:15

own content, and deploy reply

5:18

management tools that will let

5:20

users hide or unhide, or

5:22

respond to specific replies. Developers

5:25

can also tap into analytics

5:27

such as number of views,

5:29

likes, replies, reposts, end quotes,

5:31

at the media and account

5:33

level. In a post on Threads, Meta

5:36

CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced that the API

5:38

is now widely available and coming to

5:41

more of you soon. Meta

5:43

also released a reference open source

5:45

app on GitHub for developers to

5:47

try out. Microsoft

6:00

to have enough trillions of operations

6:02

per second or tops at least

6:04

40 in their neural processing units

6:07

to run the Copilot models at

6:09

top performance on as many devices

6:11

as possible right now They're all

6:14

running Qualcomm's Snapdragon X elite processors

6:17

Copilot plus PCs with Intel and

6:19

AMD processors are expected later this

6:21

year now They don't

6:24

have that controversial Microsoft recall

6:26

feature Microsoft has decided to

6:28

keep that in insider

6:30

preview while it tests those new

6:32

security and privacy measures However, there

6:34

are loads of other voice and

6:37

text activated measures Integrated

6:39

into Windows 11 on these

6:41

machines and they only work

6:43

on these machines that includes

6:45

automated photo touch-ups real-time translations

6:47

and captions image generation Graphics

6:50

upscaling and the usual text

6:52

summaries and things that that

6:54

copilot does But it

6:56

does it on device with these machines. So

6:58

Sarah run us through the highlights of what's

7:00

available starting now Okay, so

7:03

a sirs Swift 14 AI is a

7:05

14.5 inch display 3

7:09

pounds 26 hour battery

7:11

life available in July starting at

7:16

$1,100 the aces vivobook S15

7:18

can dim the screen when a camera

7:21

detects that you aren't there and can

7:23

also Automatically lock and unlock the computer.

7:25

That is $1,300

7:28

that seems to be the one everybody's excited about Party

7:33

trick right Dell has a

7:36

few including an XPS 13 and spiron

7:38

14 and 14 plus and a latitude 5455

7:42

and 7455

7:45

for enterprise Pricing and availability coming

7:47

later this year although we knew

7:49

we do know that the XPS

7:51

13 is going to Start

7:53

at $1,300 that seems to be kind of

7:55

the sweet spot As

7:58

far as pricing goes for a lot of the stuff HP

8:01

has the OmniBook X, a 14 inch

8:03

starting at $1,150. Ooh,

8:08

that's priced nicely. Also has

8:10

the new Helix shaped HP

8:13

AI PC logo. There's

8:15

also the HP EliteBook

8:17

Ultra G1Q, that's

8:20

a business laptop, that runs some

8:22

of the video conferencing things like

8:25

background blur on the NPU, saving

8:27

you some CPU power, available now

8:29

for $1,700. Let's

8:35

move on to Lenovo. Lenovo has the Yoga

8:37

Slim 7X with a 14 inch screen, 2.82

8:42

pounds and thin bezels as

8:44

well, starting at $1,300, again, that

8:46

sweet spot. A

8:50

ThinkPad T4S Gen 6 is

8:53

on the way as well. Microsoft

8:56

Surface Laptop, it's $1,000 promises up

9:01

to 22 hours on a charge.

9:03

The Microsoft Surface Pro with the

9:05

new Flex keyboard works whether the

9:07

keyboard is attached or not, starting

9:09

at $1,000. There's

9:11

your price point, right? Yeah,

9:13

right. Finally, the Samsung

9:16

Galaxy Book 4 Edge series.

9:19

That screen sizes range from 14 to 16 inches

9:23

with 3K ammo lead screens in

9:26

a 120 Hertz refresh rate, starting

9:30

at $1,350. And

9:34

we're also seeing benchmarks trickle in for these devices.

9:37

They're all with the Snapdragon X processors.

9:40

Its NPU is the fastest on the market

9:42

at 45 tops. It's

9:45

also the only one in this class on the

9:47

market, at least until

9:49

AMD Strix Point and Intel Lunar Lake arrive

9:51

later this year. They're expected

9:53

to be as fast or faster. So it

9:55

will only be on top for sure for

9:58

a few more months. benchmarks

10:00

out there do generally show good

10:02

performance and great battery life. Uh,

10:05

sleep performance also seems much better at

10:07

not draining the battery. Uh, so

10:09

that, you know, you come back with only a couple

10:11

of percentage points down after it being asleep. Qualcomm's

10:14

adreno GPU on the other hand

10:16

is not delivering the graphics performance

10:18

that gamers might want. It's fine

10:21

for other stuff. Uh, but

10:23

there are arm emulation errors. People expected

10:25

that. There are also

10:27

some reports and difficulty changing game resolution

10:29

to match your screen lower than expected

10:32

frame rates, difficulty finding whether games are

10:34

native or emulated and PC gamer noted

10:36

that a sponsored video review of the

10:38

ACEs vivo book S 15 note sponsored.

10:41

ACEs was paying this person to review

10:43

this noted that front Fort

10:45

night wouldn't load on the

10:47

ACEs vivo book S 15 and Diablo four ran

10:50

for one minute before it had

10:52

a catastrophic prism crash. Uh,

10:54

so probably not great for gamers, uh, but it

10:56

does seem to be doing well on the benchmarks

10:58

elsewhere. Roger, what do you make of day one

11:01

for the copilot plus PCs? I

11:03

mean, it's, it is, it is a good

11:06

first step. And I think the gaming thing,

11:08

be honest, this is a target

11:11

segment that probably isn't heavy in

11:13

the gaming, uh, category. Uh, emulation

11:15

always has its issues, but it

11:18

will have issues specifically with gains

11:20

because so much, uh, so

11:22

many games are written with certain hardware to hooks,

11:25

uh, that it can be difficult to

11:27

emulate, emulate or duplicate in emulation. But

11:30

Microsoft is claiming at least with the

11:32

service laptop, it can run up to

11:34

22 hours on a charge. That's incredible

11:36

for any, you know, uh, notebook. Uh,

11:39

that's, that's like smartphone, you know,

11:41

territory. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,

11:43

and all these, all these

11:46

devices right now are targeting that thin

11:48

and light ultra notebook segment. Uh, the

11:50

one that Intel is trying to, uh,

11:52

uh, shoehorn in, uh, with their

11:54

core ultra line. So this is

11:56

definitely something that I think will,

11:59

uh, make. Intel stand

12:01

up and take note because these

12:03

are the notebooks that you go to Best Buy

12:05

and that's the thing you see on their countertops.

12:08

You go into any kind of

12:10

electronic store. Those are the

12:12

ones that sell because people are looking for a device

12:16

that does all the productivity, all

12:18

the web surfing, all the social

12:20

media in a very

12:22

slight slim device and

12:24

these so far seem

12:26

to be hitting on all those marks.

12:29

Now it remains to be seen because

12:31

Intel and AMD still have yet to release

12:33

their chips to

12:36

see how well it stands up to the

12:38

next generation of ultra-light

12:40

processors from both of them. But

12:43

right now it's a good start. I

12:45

will stress that I

12:47

do kind of wonder how long Windows will

12:50

try to straddle the x86 and

12:53

the ARM architecture line within

12:55

Windows 11 at some point. Will

12:58

they try to just say we're going to deprecate

13:00

this and move over to this ISO

13:03

exclusively? I

13:06

think it's interesting that Qualcomm keeps showing off

13:08

gaming when they talk about the Snapdragon, right?

13:13

What you said is perfectly reasonable. These are just thinning

13:15

lights. They're not really supposed to be great at gaming

13:17

but Qualcomm keeps trying to push gaming as a use

13:19

case which is I think why a lot of these

13:21

reviewers were like, yeah, it's not real good at that.

13:24

Gaming has always been

13:26

a plus Photoshop and Premiere

13:29

renders kind of the benchmark

13:31

of how capable a system is

13:33

and so it sort of needed to

13:35

be in there in order to tout

13:37

these are powerful machines because

13:40

if you don't then people are just going to... Just tout the battery

13:42

life. Nobody's wanting to play games

13:44

on these things, not a lot anyway, you

13:46

know, casually. I think it's because Qualcomm does

13:48

have ambitions to kind of maybe replace Intel

13:51

and AMD at the top of the Windows

13:53

PC stack. It does seem

13:55

to be like a lot of the issues

13:57

as you mentioned with the gaming is software.

14:00

It's not the hardware, so these

14:03

may be fixable, and that's why Qualcomm wants

14:05

to be out there pushing it. All

14:08

right, let's talk about Xreal. They

14:11

were kind of one of the darlings

14:13

at CES this year. They make those

14:15

augmented reality glasses that are pretty much

14:17

just projecting an external display in the

14:19

glasses. So they plug into

14:21

your smartphone or other devices. People have

14:23

been plugging them into Steam Deck and

14:25

other stuff, and then your field of

14:27

view just becomes the display of the

14:29

smartphone. It's more limited

14:32

than, say, Metacrest or an Apple

14:34

Vision Pro, but it's also more

14:37

practical. It ships with

14:39

a remote control called the Beam so that

14:41

you can do some clicking and things with

14:43

it. It's not terribly great, but

14:46

Xreal just introduced the Beam

14:48

Pro, which is basically a

14:51

smartphone modified to make

14:53

the best use of the Xreal display. So instead

14:55

of plugging into your smartphone, you

14:57

plug into the Beam Pro. The Beam Pro

15:00

itself has a

15:02

6.5-inch touchscreen. It runs

15:04

Android 14. Xreal has

15:06

modified Android for its Nebula

15:08

OS, and then you

15:10

can use the touchscreen of that

15:12

device, of the Beam Pro, as

15:15

your input for when you're wearing the

15:17

glasses. It can run two apps side

15:19

by side, which is something your smartphone may or may

15:22

not be able to do, and it is meant to

15:24

run them side by side in the field of view

15:26

of your glasses. So you can keep a couple things

15:28

up there. It also has

15:30

dual 50-megapixel cameras, not something most

15:32

phones have either. That

15:35

allows you to take spatial and 3D video, which

15:37

of course you can watch in your Xreal glasses,

15:39

but they also will work in Apple Vision Pro.

15:42

It has two USB-C ports. That

15:44

way you can actually charge the

15:46

Beam Pro while you're using it,

15:49

and it costs a lot less than most smartphones

15:51

at 199 bucks. Sarah,

15:54

Xreal is already touted as being right up

15:56

there with Metas Ray-Ban glasses as being one

15:58

of the best ways. to make

16:00

use of augmented reality so far. This at

16:03

first seemed kind of silly to me, but the more I think about it,

16:05

the more it makes sense. Okay.

16:08

So my first question is, and

16:10

I think a lot of people

16:12

might have the same question is,

16:14

so I need the phone, I

16:16

need the, the beam, and then

16:18

I need the glasses. So you

16:20

don't need the phone if you

16:22

buy the beam pro. Right.

16:25

So you can, you can just buy

16:27

X-real glasses and plug them into your

16:29

phone. Right. Or you can

16:32

buy X-real glasses and extra glasses are like 450 bucks.

16:35

You can buy X-real glasses and

16:37

buy a beam pro and not

16:39

have to use the phone because the beam pro will

16:42

have apps and everything on it as well. So

16:45

I might just not be the right,

16:47

you know, person to ask about this

16:49

because I, I, I

16:51

still, I got rid of my

16:53

cellular connectivity for my Apple watch

16:55

because I was like, I want

16:57

my phone. I don't want

17:00

to be without my phone. I

17:02

want my phone with me at all times. So,

17:05

so something like this is not

17:07

meant to replace your phone either

17:09

understood, understood, but you know

17:11

how many times I'm not going to be

17:14

like, all right, let's do some AR fun

17:16

stuff around the world. But you know, phone

17:18

left a home. Hold on. Think

17:20

of it this way. When you put

17:23

on the Apple vision pro, do you use your iPhone?

17:27

No. This is basically

17:29

the same thing. It's saying the

17:31

beam pro becomes the

17:33

computer for the X-real glasses the way

17:36

the Apple vision pro has it in

17:38

the headset. Okay.

17:40

Yeah. I mean, sure.

17:43

This feels like something that I

17:45

wouldn't use all that much at home

17:48

for myself. I would use

17:50

it out and about in the world, in which case I

17:52

would want my phone. Just

17:54

cause you know, emergency stuff, you

17:56

know, your mileage may vary. I would love

17:58

to know from. from anybody out

18:00

there listening and being like, no, this is great

18:03

and here's why. Let us know. The

18:05

negative is carrying a second thing. I get you

18:07

there. Yeah, yeah. It's

18:10

the this and I'm

18:12

not calling out Xreal specifically. The

18:14

kind of like, like,

18:18

oh, at some point we're

18:20

not going to have to have, you

18:22

know, four devices to do

18:24

the one thing that we want to do.

18:26

We're going to get there. We're not there

18:28

yet. Yeah. So, you know,

18:30

kudos to all companies who are, you

18:33

know, kind of doing that middleman

18:35

stuff. I do think this is sort of

18:37

a like where your perception starts is whether

18:39

this makes sense or not. If you reimagine

18:41

it as, oh, for $600, which are $650,

18:47

you get a set of smart glasses that

18:50

you can use entirely on their own. You

18:52

do have to have a little thing in your pocket, but that's

18:54

the same as the Apple Vision Pro. Or

18:57

you can also plug it into your smartphone and use it

18:59

with that. So in other words,

19:01

instead of coming from like, oh, it's meant for the smartphone, but

19:03

now I have to buy another thing. Think

19:06

of it as I'm buying a thing that's $650

19:09

and I can also use that thing with my smartphone.

19:15

Does that change your mind

19:17

about it at all? I mean, the Beam

19:20

Pro starting at $200 does. Well,

19:24

it's $650 because you have to buy the glasses for $450. And

19:27

then the two I'm adding the $200. So if you

19:29

think about it as a unit instead of thinking about

19:31

it separately. Yeah. I mean, I don't

19:33

know. It's kind of pricey to be honest, but

19:35

it is. It is kind of pricey. I'm probably,

19:38

yeah, I'm probably not going to do this. I

19:40

also am, you know, very into AR

19:42

and, you know, what,

19:47

whatever you want to call augmented reality. There

19:50

are lots of ways to

19:52

talk about it these days. I'm into it. I

19:57

have yet to be like, yes. These

20:00

are the glasses I'm going to wear out

20:02

in the world and it's going to make

20:04

things better. But I think we're getting close.

20:06

Yeah. And the X-Real glasses look

20:09

like glasses except for the cord coming off

20:11

of them. That's really the big negative is

20:13

that they can't, they can't

20:15

make them look like glasses and keep

20:17

everything in there the way Meta does.

20:19

Meta uses, they're a little less capable

20:21

than the X-Real, but they have

20:23

a Bluetooth connection. They're also a little thicker,

20:25

you know, I think they look pretty good

20:28

too, but yeah. I

20:30

think this is, you're right, this is not going to

20:32

be for everyone, but

20:34

if you're into the X-Real glasses, it might be

20:37

the kind of accessory you're like, ooh, now that

20:39

I know what X-Real is good for, this

20:41

would be better because I can, it

20:44

integrates better and I can use that side-by-side

20:46

app thing better for

20:48

certain things. You know, again, like

20:50

maybe there's a productivity thing

20:53

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23:07

Wall Street Journal has a post

23:09

today that social media influencers

23:11

are having a little bit of a

23:13

time of it. The journal spoke to

23:15

an influencer named Clint

23:18

Brantley, who's been a full-time

23:20

creator for three years posting videos on

23:22

TikTok, YouTube, and Twitch related to the

23:25

game Fortnite. He has 400,000 followers.

23:28

His posts average around 100,000 views. You

23:31

know, sounds pretty good, right? His income

23:33

last year was less than the medium

23:35

annual pay for full-time US workers in

23:38

2023. That was $58,084. That's

23:42

based on Bureau of Labor

23:44

statistics data. The bigger

23:47

story is that platforms aren't

23:49

paying as much for popular

23:51

posts. So Brantley might

23:53

be one of these people who maybe

23:56

felt that his job was

23:58

lucrative and that... now

24:01

feels it is not so much.

24:03

The brands are being more careful

24:05

with their sponsorship deals. There's more

24:07

looming issues for creators, such

24:09

as TikTok potentially pulling out of the US in

24:12

2025. But even

24:14

if TikTok is not where you

24:16

make your bread and butter, or maybe it's part

24:18

of where you make your bread and butter, it

24:20

does sound like a lot

24:23

of influencers, and

24:25

particularly young influencers, are

24:28

wondering, oh, OK,

24:30

so I'm just, I'm

24:33

just skirting by, rather than, you

24:35

know, raking in the dollars. I

24:39

have a few quibbles with some

24:41

of the conclusions that are implied

24:43

by this article. I

24:46

do think that it

24:48

is not unexpected

24:50

that this

24:52

would happen, given the fact that

24:54

when influencers at all started making

24:56

money, everyone was like, oh my

24:58

gosh, you can make money just

25:01

by posting free content? That's amazing.

25:03

And now it's become, we have

25:05

the right to make money by

25:07

posting our free content. I

25:10

don't think it's a shocker that, yeah, not

25:12

everybody is going to get rich. I

25:15

also think that a lot of

25:17

the article hinged on platforms making

25:19

payments, and that's

25:21

one that the younger generations are

25:23

learning. Yeah, platforms don't do that forever. Those

25:26

payments are meant to kind of bring people

25:28

to the platform, but they're just, they're not

25:30

going to keep paying you, unless

25:32

it's a rev share like YouTube does with advertising.

25:35

Yeah, so, yes, good

25:37

point there. YouTube said that it paid

25:40

more than $70 billion to creators, artists

25:44

and media companies in the past three

25:46

years. That sounds great, right?

25:48

Oh, wow, YouTube just, you know, sharing

25:50

the love. More than 25% of

25:53

channels in the ad revenue share model, now

25:55

making money through it. That's

25:57

YouTube. TikToks. $1

26:00

billion creator fan ran from

26:03

2020 to 2023. YouTube

26:08

shorts had something similar.

26:10

Instagram's Reels Play bonus

26:13

program were rewarded

26:15

creators with fluctuating payouts. Snapchat's

26:17

spotlight rewards program gave $1

26:20

million a day to the

26:22

platform's top creators. A

26:25

lot of this stuff is designed

26:28

to be... It's...

26:32

I don't know. It's temporary. It almost

26:34

sounds like... Facebook did this too. They

26:37

did it with publishing companies, not just influencers, right? They're

26:39

like, yeah, we'll pay you for a while to use

26:41

our platform. Then once they got you on their platform,

26:43

they're like, yeah, we can't afford to do that anymore.

26:46

Sorry. Totally. I

26:50

don't want to tell any creator

26:52

trying to make their way in the

26:54

world like, you should have known better,

26:56

but... Let's

27:01

say that you are doing

27:03

pretty well on TikTok. What

27:06

if that goes away tomorrow? Now

27:09

what are we talking about? What are we looking

27:11

at? I don't know though. I feel

27:14

like that's overrated. That's

27:16

not as big of a deal. What happens is people go

27:19

to other platforms. We have platforms die

27:21

all the time. I honestly don't

27:23

think TikTok's going away, but even if

27:25

it does, that won't be the reason

27:27

people don't make money on the internet.

27:30

It'll be because they can't gain a big enough

27:32

audience. I think

27:34

what we're seeing is pretty natural when

27:36

there are a few people doing the

27:39

new thing that catches everybody's attention and

27:41

we don't really know how it works. The

27:44

brands... Forget the platform money.

27:46

We spent way too much time talking about that. It's

27:49

the brands that paid the money. All

27:51

the influencers I know who actually do make money

27:53

on the internet make it from brand deals, make

27:55

it from sponsorship deals. Those brands were

27:57

throwing money at people because they're like, oh my god.

28:00

God, you have a million followers. I don't know if

28:02

this is going to work, but it might. Let's throw

28:04

some money at you. There weren't that many creators. So

28:06

more creators made more money as the

28:08

market matures. The brands start to learn, Oh,

28:11

you know what? When we spend on this

28:13

kind of creator, it works. And we don't

28:15

have to spend this much money to get

28:17

the effect and that fine tunes and more

28:19

creators piling in because they all hear about

28:22

these creators that make millions of dollars means

28:24

that there are fewer. Concentrations

28:27

of money, right? Yeah.

28:30

I mean, this could, you

28:32

know, you think about any way

28:34

that somebody makes money. Like if

28:36

I become a real estate agent

28:40

and there are just like so

28:42

many other real estate agents, you

28:44

know, in my area, there's only

28:46

so many houses, right?

28:48

It's like, okay, well, we're all going

28:50

to make less money. That's just kind

28:53

of how it works. Yeah. Um, and

28:56

yeah, I, I, I do

28:58

think that, uh, there

29:01

are, especially for the

29:03

younger set, not

29:05

myself, um, uh, I, I

29:07

do wonder, wow, you

29:10

know, did you, did you not get

29:12

a college degree and just, you know, when,

29:14

you know, harden to tick talk. Now I'm

29:16

not saying that you need a college degree

29:18

because, you know, a lot of

29:21

people don't, uh, these days and can

29:23

be very, very, uh, um,

29:27

successful otherwise. But yeah,

29:30

it's, it's, uh, it's, it's not a forever thing.

29:32

I guess the way I would put it is,

29:34

uh, this was a surprise that people could make

29:37

money off of it. We figured out that there

29:39

is a limit to the number of people, like

29:41

any celebrity driven enterprise. There are a few people

29:43

who can make a lot of money at it.

29:45

And then a long tail of people who make

29:47

a small amount of money on it. And

29:50

that's, there are other jobs. It's not like,

29:52

you know, this is going to work out

29:55

for everybody. That's just, just not the way

29:57

it's going to work. All

29:59

right. Alright, let's check out the mail back. Let's

30:02

do it. Connor and Sardinia writes

30:04

in, I think Microsoft

30:06

pushing the recall feature wasn't nefarious

30:08

or misguided. Sometimes us techies forget

30:11

that we're a small portion of

30:13

that user base. Recall wasn't made

30:15

for us, it was made for

30:17

everyone. I used the rewind

30:19

app for a while. It was useful,

30:21

but it's a thing with these systems.

30:23

Their magic comes when you need it,

30:25

and like a backup, you don't know

30:27

when you will. Microsoft enabling

30:29

by default, in my opinion, was

30:32

to present this magic to the

30:34

users when they needed it. And

30:36

to avoid the situation where a

30:38

friend or family member needs to

30:40

find something, and the resident tech

30:42

support asks why they didn't enable

30:44

recall. I find this at

30:47

work, we implement new features, but users

30:49

don't use them until forced. They need

30:51

to feed the recall database data ready

30:53

for users. Connor says, I compare it

30:56

to screen time in the sense. It's

30:58

useful, not on day one, but after

31:00

a few weeks, when you look back,

31:02

if it was opt out, its usefulness

31:05

is diminished. Yeah, no, I don't disagree

31:07

with anything Connor's saying, but

31:09

I do think that that was why a lot

31:11

of people had problems with recall, is like, yeah,

31:13

a lot of people won't know any better, and

31:16

this could expose their information to nefarious people. So

31:18

I do

31:20

think that a lot of the

31:22

sunshine that was shined out

31:24

by security researchers, not so much the overall

31:26

backlash, but the people were like, yeah, actually,

31:28

this should be encrypted better, is

31:31

good, because you're right, a lot of people will

31:33

just want the magic thing to work and won't

31:35

understand that there's a risk there. Also,

31:38

we got a lot of really thoughtful and really good

31:41

responses taking issue with the

31:43

conversation Justin and I had about the Surgeon

31:45

General wanting a warning label on social media.

31:48

I thought Andes was a really good representative

31:50

one. He says, I

31:52

work in an emergency department

31:55

in a small city and

31:57

another ED in a very rural area. an

32:00

EMS service in a small suburban town. I

32:02

don't know if mental health among youth is

32:04

actually worse than it was in the past,

32:07

although there are some recent studies showing it

32:09

likely is, particularly among young girls, but I

32:11

do know that we are in a crisis.

32:13

Our emergency departments are filling up with pre-teen,

32:16

teen, and young adults in mental health emergencies.

32:18

Many of these patients end up spending weeks

32:20

on end in emergency departments, which is definitely

32:22

not therapeutic, but is also dangerous for the

32:24

patients and staff. Until 2020, I worked in

32:27

a large urban EMS system, and we rarely

32:29

ever had mental health patients boarding in the

32:31

ED for longer than a day while waiting

32:33

for discharge replacement. There are many

32:35

causes of this, and it is undeniably

32:37

not a black and white situation with

32:39

easy solutions. However, I do think that

32:41

a conversation and guidelines from the government

32:43

about social media can help. I saw

32:45

an obvious news story for a few

32:47

days ago that linked children's digital use

32:49

to their parents' digital use. I suspect

32:51

this is similar with social media. I

32:53

have no idea if this is a

32:55

useful perspective. I have no solutions proposed,

32:57

but I do think a measured, full

33:00

conversation on any source of mental health

33:02

angst is useful. I also realized that's

33:04

a pipe dream in most settings, and

33:06

I couldn't resist writing in since it

33:09

affects my day-to-day work life so closely,

33:11

Andy. Oh, Andy. Wow. This is great,

33:13

Andy, because in some of

33:15

the emails I've been having with folks, the one

33:18

thing we agree on is even if we disagree

33:20

on the warning label or how much attribution to

33:22

give social media for these problems, we

33:24

all agree there is a mental health emergency and

33:26

that treatment of mental

33:28

health is a bigger priority than

33:31

social media. If social media is one of

33:33

the causes, then sure, and listen to yesterday's

33:35

show from my perspective on that, but

33:37

we absolutely should be prioritizing the treatment

33:39

of mental health because I don't think

33:42

there's any dispute that we do have

33:44

a rise of that as well. Thank

33:47

you, Andy, for writing in with this on

33:49

the ground perspective about that. Indeed.

33:52

And as Justin and I said yesterday, we're

33:54

all for guidelines, no matter what, whether

33:56

it's a warning label or not, the guidelines that

33:58

help social media use also

34:01

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