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is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, May 29, 2024. In

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Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio

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Animal House, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm

2:00

Scott Johnson and the show's

2:02

producer Roger chain You know, I had made a

2:05

promise to myself earlier in the year that I

2:07

was gonna every day say can you believe it?

2:09

Whatever day it was because

2:11

it always feels like that Every

2:14

day. Yeah. Can you believe it's when you

2:16

believe it? Can you believe it's May already? You know that kind

2:18

of thing Yeah, can you believe June's right

2:20

around the corner Tom? Yeah, you believe it. Well, I

2:22

mean you better believe it No,

2:25

I refused I

2:28

am a June truther I

2:32

did actually this morning be like like 30

2:34

days have September April June and November.

2:36

Okay, man Oh, yeah, I got

2:38

another day Well

2:41

Mark Gurman says Apple's working on

2:43

an Apple TV app for Android

2:45

in the cats sleeping with dogs

2:48

Category, okay. Let's see what is in

2:50

the rest of the quick hit Microsoft's

2:55

co-pilot for telegram is now in beta

2:57

and free for telegram users on mobile

2:59

or desktop You chat with

3:01

co-pilot in the app as an official

3:03

Microsoft bot. There are other bots that

3:07

Proliferate on other messaging

3:09

app. So I think this is telegram just saying

3:11

okay, we're doing it, too Co-pilot

3:13

for telegram is limited to text

3:15

requests can't generate images not at

3:18

least at this point There's also

3:20

a daily 30-turn limit for exchanges

3:22

between user and co-pilot meaning after

3:24

30 days of back and forth You start

3:26

over We got new

3:29

arm designs in the cortex X925

3:33

CPU design and the immortality

3:35

G925 GPU They

3:38

claim to be faster, you know, they always

3:40

do the X 925 single core

3:43

performance is supposed to be 36% faster Than

3:46

the X4 and it has increased the AI workload

3:48

performance by 41% they say the G 925 GPU

3:50

is According

3:55

to arm the most performant and efficient

3:57

GPU to date again. They say that

3:59

every time 3%

4:01

faster on graphics applications compared to the

4:03

G720, improved ray tracing performance, including Lumen

4:05

support for Unreal Engine, plus improved AI

4:08

and ML workloads by 34%, and

4:16

they say it should use 30% less power overall. Phones

4:19

with chips based on these designs are expected by the

4:21

end of the year. GPD,

4:24

a company known

4:26

for handheld gaming PCs and not

4:28

to be confused with GPT, GPD, also

4:32

miniature mobile PCs from the company

4:35

out of Ohio, in fact, published

4:37

an image of an upcoming GPD

4:39

duo that has two 13.3-inch OLED

4:41

displays, range

4:44

of ports, stylus support as well, Scott,

4:46

you might be interested in that one,

4:49

stacking the panel so that the extra

4:51

screen is on top, similar to what

4:53

Asus has done with its new ZenBook

4:55

duo. But GPT has forgone the removable

4:58

keyboard and kickstand, so the second display

5:00

can fold behind the main one in what

5:02

looks like a regular laptop form factor,

5:05

more or less. It can also fold

5:07

down into a tablet form factor and

5:09

support that stylus. The Verge says it

5:11

appears, at least from some rendering

5:13

photos, that there is an Ethernet

5:16

port at the rear, an Oculink

5:19

port for eGPU connectivity, two

5:23

USB ports on the side, and a

5:25

card reader along the left-hand side of

5:28

this new laptop. Big,

5:30

big laptops in GPD. Look at

5:33

that. A U.S. Department of Justice

5:35

announced Wednesday that it had led

5:37

an international effort to shut down

5:40

the 911S5 proxy botnet, which is

5:42

believed to be the world's largest

5:44

botnet yet. Officials are

5:46

seizing servers, shutting down domains used

5:49

by the botnet, and the U.S.

5:51

FBI arrested the botnet's administrator, Yuhay

5:54

Wang, and seized property of Wangs

5:56

in Thailand, Singapore, and the UAE,

6:00

and Nevis and the United States. Among

6:02

the seized properties are a 2022 Ferrari

6:04

F8 Spyder

6:06

SA, a BMW i8, a

6:09

BMW X7 M50D, a Rolls-Royce,

6:11

a bunch of luxury watches,

6:13

and a dozen domestic and international bank

6:16

accounts, as well as two dozen

6:18

cryptocurrency wallets. So now you

6:20

understand why people who bought nets long

6:22

faces a maximum penalty of 65 years in

6:25

prison. Samsung

6:28

wants to bring more AI to its smartwatches,

6:30

starting with a collection of new AI-powered

6:32

health features for its Galaxy Watch lineup,

6:34

starting with new watches through its one

6:36

UI 6 watch software that is going

6:39

to be rolled out later this year.

6:41

A limited number of Galaxy watches will

6:43

also get the beta version next month,

6:45

so you can try it out. A

6:47

new energy score is designed to make

6:49

sense of your health readings, as well

6:51

as a new running and sleep tool.

6:56

All right everybody, let's talk about what is

6:59

going on with Google search and has the

7:01

company been lying to us this whole time?

7:03

Okay. 2,500 pages of documents

7:07

that appear to come from Google's

7:09

internal content API were posted on

7:12

GitHub March 13th. A couple

7:14

months ago, CEO researcher Erfan

7:16

Azim, CEO and director of

7:18

SEO for a digital marketing

7:21

agency, claims that he shared

7:23

the documents with Rand Fiskin,

7:25

co-founder of an audience research and

7:28

marketing company and SEO expert of

7:30

his own. Thousands of ranking

7:32

features are described, but not

7:34

how they're weighted. This offers indirect

7:36

hints about what Google seems to

7:38

care most about on its side. SEO

7:41

expert Mike King looked over the

7:43

documents and said that to say

7:45

that Google lied is harsh, but

7:48

he said it's the only accurate

7:50

word to use here. While I

7:52

don't necessarily fault Google's public representatives

7:54

for protecting their proprietary information, I

7:56

do take issue with their efforts

7:58

to actively. This credit

8:00

people in the marketing tech

8:03

and journalism world who have

8:05

presented reproducible discovery. Yeah, so they

8:07

that kind of represents one end of

8:09

the spectrum of reactions here are, but

8:11

there's another. and other Se O experts

8:13

are skeptical that this week amounts to

8:15

much. Ryan Jones who runs as he

8:17

oh It Razorfish said in a post

8:19

on acts. We don't know if this

8:22

is for production or for testing. My

8:24

guess is it's mostly for testing potential

8:26

changes. We don't know what's used for

8:28

web or for other verticals. Some things

8:30

might only be used for Google, home

8:32

or news, etc. We don't know what's

8:34

an input to a machine. Language algorithms

8:36

and what's used to Train Against

8:38

i'm Sorry Machine Learning algorithm and

8:40

was used Train Against at my

8:42

guess is clicks aren't a direct

8:44

input but used to train a

8:46

model of to predict clickability as

8:48

clicks were one of the categories

8:50

I'm also guessing. That some

8:53

of these fields only apply to training

8:55

data sets and not to all signs.

8:57

Ah, that that the fact of the

8:59

matter is a lot of people look

9:01

at what the category of the A

9:03

P I is and assume okay so

9:06

that is important to the to the

9:08

ranking of sites on on search results

9:10

and that is not evident. It could

9:12

be that estate sale It could also

9:14

not be true I You just don't

9:17

know by looking at this and it's

9:19

an internal A P I there's some.

9:21

there's some. Debate on how old

9:23

it is that The documents themselves seem to

9:25

be from March, but a lot of them

9:27

are dated twenty nineteen Some people say well

9:29

yeah they were originated and twenty nineteen but

9:31

then updated and and our current. Some people

9:33

like know these things are five years old

9:35

so so the probably deprecated anyway. Added

9:38

up, there's a lot of disagreement about

9:40

whether there is any there there, but

9:43

the thing I would say is it's

9:45

not the algorithm itself. We I see

9:47

a lot of people referring this as

9:49

the search algorithm. It's just an internal

9:51

A P Ice list of categories doesn't

9:53

include the weights as Sarah said. Ah,

9:55

and it's also not a leak. It

9:58

seems to have been accidentally included. The

10:00

in up a published bit a code on

10:02

get Hub so it wasn't like somebody was

10:04

like trying to whistle blow on google. it's

10:06

just accidentally got out there. And

10:08

this is an interesting thing because. He.

10:11

Why? Where where you live in a pretty

10:14

reactionary side in the first thing you want

10:16

to do is just jump all over Google

10:18

and say will Lick they lied to us

10:20

or whenever I see headlines calling this the

10:23

secrets recipe for how search works which it

10:25

isn't that at all else I'm it. Also

10:27

doesn't like Tom mention really say how some

10:29

things are weighted versus other things so we

10:32

don't really know any of that information. But

10:34

my overall take on this has been. It.

10:37

Does these are? no matter what, these

10:39

are considered things that Google wouldn't want

10:42

to tell people. So if you're worried

10:44

that Googles withholding information about how their

10:46

search engine works a good job, you've

10:48

guessed correctly. Of course they do. And

10:51

why wouldn't they? These are considered trade secrets. They have

10:54

a lot of competition that would love a piece a

10:56

larger piece of the search pie. They.

10:58

Have no motivation to share how all

11:00

of that works. The underpinnings: They'll give

11:02

you just enough for people to do

11:04

just enough to to take advantage of

11:06

the fact that the search engine does

11:08

have some se O possibilities, but they

11:10

don't want anyone completely gaming the system.

11:12

And. Even if they could, Ah, it's not

11:15

like they would hold still for very long like you said

11:17

as as five year old data. I

11:19

don't think stuff last for more than a

11:21

year over there. probably even less. Ah, in

11:23

terms of how things are weighted, it's constantly

11:25

shifting and moving and they're not gonna tell

11:27

you how because. It's a business

11:30

that needs this to be trade secret

11:32

so I guess you know our our

11:34

appetite never ends from shocking tech news.

11:37

But. I don't think this is that I think

11:39

the such as can oops, we accidentally posted this

11:41

and also oops it's five year old data and

11:43

I say that knowing that Google has an even

11:45

said anything and we're still waiting for some first.

11:47

Yeah, there's no official response to this is so

11:49

we don't even know what Google take his I

11:51

don't. Even think google. Needs.

11:54

To respond to this. To be honest. I mean.

11:57

And tears to your points got

11:59

you know as as a D

12:01

V the concept that the company

12:03

has been like you know. Just

12:05

lying to the public. And I

12:07

mean if they're worth five people

12:09

in a conference room and those

12:11

were the only people who knew

12:13

what was really going on, I'd

12:15

say woo. Interesting. Now that's

12:17

Not how Google works. I mean,

12:19

thousands and thousands of people have

12:21

access. To whatever we're talking about right

12:23

now. Sure, it does sound

12:26

like ah, interesting. The A

12:28

P I works differently than

12:30

many as Ceo experts had

12:32

thought in the past.is something

12:34

that Google might be. Bummed.

12:37

Out about ah that you know that

12:39

that now. That. More people

12:42

outside of the Enterprise know

12:44

about this, but it's not

12:46

like. Oh, search

12:48

works differently. And.

12:51

You know it's all of you Eat

12:53

just Ceo. You know if peasants never

12:55

knew we were doing here he? this

12:57

is not much of a smoking gun.

12:59

I'm not even sure it's a gun

13:02

or it might be ammo. but the

13:04

ammo might not even go in the

13:06

gun you're talking about. So it's it's

13:08

it's really like to forget and a

13:10

P eyes just away for an application

13:13

to request data from another application. New

13:15

to oversimplify and this document list here

13:17

all the categories you can ask for.

13:19

It doesn't say. What? The.

13:21

Application will or will not deliver. It

13:23

doesn't say with the way to the

13:25

algorithm that would be asking for the

13:27

Czar or any of that. So if

13:29

you want circumstantial evidence to support your

13:32

theory that Google has been, mind you

13:34

will find it here. and a lot

13:36

of people are. If you want to

13:38

look at this for primary evidence the

13:40

Google has been lying or even how

13:42

Google ranks pages, you won't find that

13:44

their it's not in this particular documents.

13:48

Ah, fitbit ace else he. He is a

13:50

real thing though that you can actually pick

13:53

up and hold in your hand. It's a

13:55

fitness tracker for kids that appears to be

13:57

a bit of a surprise hit by. I

13:59

saw. Lots of glowing reviews come out

14:01

about this today. It is for kids

14:03

says made a plastic in gorilla glass

14:05

I you know not not super fancy

14:07

titanium or anything like that. Uses the

14:10

same chargers the Pixel watch too. So

14:12

I guess the idea is if you

14:14

know mom and dad have the Pixel

14:16

watch to kid can have you know

14:18

a charger that works with it's the

14:20

key appeal though seems to be the

14:22

fact that it uses video games instead

14:24

of apps. Kids. Are encouraged

14:26

to meet their fitness goals by

14:28

playing games ah and vice versa.

14:30

They get to play games by

14:32

meeting their fitness goals south. If

14:35

they add to their step count,

14:37

they get more video game times.

14:39

Daily fitness goals earn. Kids Are

14:41

Tech arcade tickets. Those tickets can

14:43

be used to buy game time

14:45

and virtual items. Or there's a

14:47

virtual pet tall? it's eg. ah.

14:49

And there's no in game purchases.

14:51

there's no actual money. The only

14:53

way to buy things for eg.

14:56

Is Nexus I mean your fitness goal? Yeah,

14:58

get those tickets! Ah, there's a bunch of

15:00

parent friendly features to the the usual stuff

15:02

you'd have any kids watch are calling, texting,

15:04

location sharing, parental controls. Ah, but this doesn't

15:07

access the webs to. The parental controls are

15:09

are pretty simple. It does require a ten

15:11

dollar a month subscription if you want to

15:13

do the calling because Lt is built in

15:15

but you don't have to go through a

15:18

carrier. You just paid back fitbit and then

15:20

it works. Location data is only available to

15:22

parents through a phone app and is deleted

15:24

after twenty four hours. Never stored in the

15:26

cloud. There's also no third party apps. know

15:29

advertisements? They're not trying to monetize this and

15:31

some other way. I you spend two hundred

15:33

thirty dollars. If you want the connectivity, you

15:35

spend ten dollars a month and it's available.

15:37

Do this. The night

15:39

that I gotta. Say at you know as

15:41

somebody who doesn't have a didn't have a

15:44

lot of kids. In fact has zero

15:46

and of them but. And

15:48

I know having a child at

15:50

one point that something like that.

15:53

Is. It catches on. All

15:55

the kids moments. If. If

15:57

only one kid has that, you know?

16:00

fun like Fitness Watch and all the other

16:02

kids either just don't have them or have

16:04

something else, it's DOA. So

16:08

I think that kind of being

16:11

impressionable and wanting to be cool

16:13

and wanting to have something that

16:15

other kids like is a big

16:17

part of how successful this is going to be.

16:19

Yeah, I agree. And I also think, I mean,

16:21

on the surface, it's a good sell for parents.

16:24

I don't think most kids have the kind of

16:26

disposable income where they're going to shell out the

16:30

But if they can go to their parents

16:33

and make this sale that, you

16:35

know, it's, Dad, it's going to keep me more active and

16:37

you don't like it when I'm just sitting around, I'll be

16:39

all doing this because then I can play games because I

16:41

can, you know, explain the whole thing. Maybe

16:43

they'll get it. But my experience has been with

16:46

kids, my own kids and others, that

16:49

it has to come from the direction Sarah just said.

16:51

If the parents are the ones saying, well, this would

16:53

be great for you, son, you're going to go out

16:56

and it's going to be great. And you're going to

16:58

be magnified. You're starting to sound like Steve Buscemi with

17:00

a skateboard saying, hello, fellow kids. Yeah.

17:02

Like what parent ever said, you know what, you

17:04

should invest in Roblox.

17:07

Right. Right. And no

17:09

kid hears that and goes, yeah, great. Let me get right on that. So

17:11

some of this stuff, it's a

17:14

tricky marketing thing to get into.

17:16

You know, Tamagotchi succeeded, Pokemon succeeded.

17:18

These kinds of things succeed because

17:21

they're really smart about how kids are getting the

17:23

information about the thing they want. In

17:25

this case, it feels like a little more of a

17:27

workaround, you know, how are they even going to know?

17:29

And it's pretty expensive for your average

17:31

kid to go beg your parents for. So

17:34

I don't know how successful this is going to be,

17:36

but I will say I like efforts in this direction.

17:39

I mean, Roger, you have kids this age

17:41

or around this age. What's

17:44

your hot take? So it's a little from

17:46

column A and a little from column B

17:48

in terms of getting kids to kind of

17:50

glom onto something. Because it's

17:52

new and you give it to if I gave it to

17:54

my kids, they'd be excited for a while. A

17:57

while being maybe a couple of days and then they'll

17:59

lose interest. because it naturally

18:01

gravitate towards

18:03

where there's social life

18:07

for kids, whatever that might be. Whether

18:10

it's on a tablet or it's in a game

18:12

or physically in person, there

18:15

needs to be some sort of socialized

18:17

aspect where you can share or

18:20

you can compare your

18:22

goals, your scores with someone

18:24

in your peer group. I would add

18:27

that it's also a very narrow

18:31

age range before kids are where kids are

18:33

either too young for it or kids will

18:35

be a little too old. Around

18:37

junior high, I think they'll probably start losing interest

18:39

in something like this because it's like, well, all

18:41

right, I need it for I have PE. I

18:45

get all my exercise, it's cool. You

18:49

have one or two, maybe three

18:51

if your household's set up that

18:53

way where this will prove

18:56

to be useful

18:58

in that regard. To

19:01

appeal to kids, you really do need

19:03

to have a socialized,

19:06

I can measure myself

19:08

up with my peers. Yeah. Let's

19:11

think about it from the other side

19:13

though. Let's say there's a

19:16

lot of people, we've talked about it on DTNS

19:18

who are not wanting to give their kids phones,

19:20

mostly because maybe they're not allowed in class and

19:22

they're not going to be able to use them

19:25

at school as much anyway, but they'll give them

19:27

a smartwatch because then they can message them, they

19:29

can even do some calling on them. What

19:32

if you're a parent who looks at this as, oh, you

19:34

know what, I'm going to get this watch instead

19:36

of a Pixel watch or an Apple watch because

19:38

it does the things I would buy

19:40

those others for, but it's

19:43

more limited. So they're not going

19:45

to start wandering around into other

19:47

apps. And

19:49

maybe they never play these video games, but there's

19:51

a chance they get bored and do because they've

19:53

got the watch that I made them wear for

19:56

the tracking and the calling and the contacting. And

19:58

then maybe they do start playing those games. and

20:00

they do start building up their

20:02

fitness goals. Yeah, it's not a bad point. As

20:04

an alternative to a phone, which you can track,

20:07

like you said, phone call, text, all that stuff, that

20:10

makes us a lot more interesting from a

20:12

parent's perspective, because I'm going to spend a

20:15

lot less money on that. Digital tether to

20:17

your child. Again,

20:19

they would have to be in the age range

20:21

where they understand how that works. My

20:24

eldest is nine. She would totally be fine with

20:26

this. But my youngest is five.

20:28

I think she would have more difficulty. So

20:30

again, you'll have that age range.

20:33

And once you hit around the junior high mark,

20:35

kids are going to be like, well, I want

20:37

a phone. I want that

20:39

belief in my kids. Or if it's not a phone,

20:41

I want the watch, but all the other kids' times.

20:44

Yeah, and that's what this wants to be. The whole idea of

20:46

feeding your Tamagotchi-esque pets inside

20:54

this watch, great idea.

20:57

If everybody wants to do it, then

20:59

it's awesome. But you know what? The

21:01

kids are going to be like, come

21:04

to school. Let's talk about it. Oh,

21:06

let's compare. But

21:09

if it's just you, it's not going to work. But

21:11

you know what? If the parents are like, you have

21:13

to wear it to stay in contact, a lot of

21:15

kids will. Kids wear watches right now. You know what

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today Tuesday

24:05

YouTube started rolling out playables.

24:07

It's casual free-to-play game section

24:09

to everybody The games

24:11

were previously only available if you were testing

24:13

it or if you are a YouTube premium

24:16

subscriber Now even folks who

24:18

are fighting ad blockers get to play

24:20

with playables playable lineup includes more than

24:22

75 titles included

24:24

some popular stuff angry birds showdown

24:27

Words of wonders cut the rope tomb

24:29

of the mass trivia crack and

24:32

players are able to save game progress and

24:34

track scores Across the YouTube app they're playing

24:36

on as it rolls out over the next

24:38

several months You'll see playables

24:40

in the explore menu on desktop and

24:43

iOS and Android app LinkedIn's

24:45

doing this Netflix has a version of this Scott. What

24:47

do you think of it? Well, it's

24:49

interesting I dug in pretty deep on

24:51

what's available there and I have

24:53

two major cons to mention first before I get to

24:56

the pros One of the biggest cons is

24:58

that they bury this stuff in the menus.

25:00

It's the literally on mobile Anyway, the

25:02

last thing in the discovery menu

25:05

So you've got everything else in its dog including a whole

25:07

grouping called gaming which is not what it used to be

25:09

anyway And it's still kind of weird. It's

25:12

not in there. So don't go there. Those are

25:14

videos You got to go way to the bottom

25:16

and you find this playable icon, which doesn't look

25:18

like much It's an icon that doesn't actually say

25:20

hey, there's games here So I think they're a

25:23

little weird about the launch and about that kind

25:25

of You think it's probably that they want people

25:27

who really care to find it

25:29

first and make it maybe yeah it seems

25:32

to me like if they if they I Mean

25:34

this is kind of Netflix has the same problem in

25:36

a lot of ways because when you go to find

25:38

the games in Netflix You usually just run into them

25:41

by accident. They just happen to be showcased in some

25:43

sort of banner between other categories It's the same way

25:45

like they're not front and center. You gotta look they're

25:47

not super easy to find So I guess these all

25:49

all these people could use I don't know a little

25:51

more front and center or just even just it was

25:54

kind of hard to find if I'm honest and

25:57

then I also think that the

26:01

games themselves. I mean if you go in there

26:03

looking for Tetris, you better be

26:05

okay with block drop. Okay? That's

26:08

what I'm saying is you're gonna look at a

26:10

lot of these like no namey, team who style,

26:12

no offense to team who. Like you know anyone

26:14

at the Apple Watch who gets the Fitbit Ace?

26:16

A little bit, yeah. The thing is

26:18

though some of these are okay like like at their

26:20

core they have decent gameplay. I played a bunch of

26:23

stuff including Cut the Rope which is like an old

26:25

favorite on iOS and Android and you

26:27

know that's been around forever so I wouldn't call it

26:29

a new game but it is a more of a

26:31

legitimate experience. They all play really well though. They load

26:33

up really quick. They're just right there. I don't know

26:35

what these are written in. This looks like HTML5 to

26:38

me or something. On

26:40

a technical level I don't actually know that but I they

26:43

feel like apps. They feel like games and

26:45

the one advantage they have over

26:48

what Netflix is doing as an example is

26:51

that they are keeping things simple. There's

26:54

a ton of stuff in there so there's a big selection

26:56

way bigger than anything that's going on with Netflix and

26:59

you don't have to go out and download these

27:01

somewhere separate. The way it works with Netflix now

27:03

no matter what device you're on, it's a little

27:05

weirder on iOS but you have to

27:08

first of all subscribe to Netflix and if you

27:10

are well then go to the app store, download

27:12

a separate game. It will verify that you're a

27:14

current Netflix user and then you've got the

27:16

game and you play it like a normal app. Some

27:19

people may even prefer that but I think that's kludgy

27:21

and weird. This is keeping it all

27:23

within the same experience and it's all

27:25

in there so you don't have to get out of

27:27

the app. You just stay in there. My biggest overriding

27:29

question though is who

27:31

are they going after here? People

27:33

to go use the YouTube app or using

27:35

YouTube online on desktop or anywhere else. Know

27:38

why they're there. It's usually to look up

27:40

a video, follow their favorite creators, whatever it

27:43

may be, a web series they're interested

27:45

in. I don't know

27:47

that there are people that are on YouTube going

27:49

well I've seen every video I could ever want

27:52

to see it's time for some drop. Where's my

27:54

Farm Bill? I have a guess why they did

27:56

this. They

28:00

had data that said we

28:03

lose retention. People leave the YouTube app

28:07

in this percentage of amount and

28:09

what can we do to reduce that percentage, keep

28:11

people on the YouTube app longer. And

28:14

then they had other data that said one of

28:16

the first things people go do when they leave

28:18

the YouTube app is go play a mobile game.

28:20

And so someone said, what if we had mobile

28:22

games in the YouTube app? Then they wouldn't have

28:24

to leave the YouTube app to go play the

28:26

mobile game. Brilliant idea, Bob.

28:30

Put mobile games in YouTube and see if it works.

28:32

I think I agree. This is a very fly on

28:34

the wall thing, but if you were a fly on

28:36

that wall, it sounds like something I would have heard

28:38

as well. And I think it's fine. I

28:40

don't think this is going to hurt their service. Keep

28:43

adding more. What

28:46

I expected was that they were going to maybe add some games

28:48

that you couldn't get if you're a

28:50

subscriber of YouTube Premium. We

28:52

haven't seen that yet. Maybe they still will down the road.

28:54

Maybe there will be more, I don't know, AA titles or

28:57

something that's a little less simple.

28:59

But as it stands right now, I think it's a fine addition. Make

29:02

it a little easier for people to find though, because if you want

29:04

to retain them, you've got to show them where the thing is you

29:06

want to retain them with. I

29:08

will add one thing. I'm wondering if

29:10

this is also aimed at people with

29:12

limited connectivity, whether they're paying on a

29:15

monthly plan for a certain quality service.

29:18

Does it run locally or not use bandwidth

29:20

or something? I managed to run one locally,

29:22

but I don't know if it just buffered

29:24

on my phone. But they're

29:26

not in very huge games.

29:30

And so you do that kind of

29:32

thing. Hurdle. Hurdle. Block

29:35

drop. You made a heard of it. Don Ederman.

29:38

Not even close to another game that a lot of

29:40

people like. We're just offering that to you.

29:42

My last question is, name a platform

29:44

that's main business wasn't games that added

29:46

games that still has them and it's

29:48

a big deal. It's actually kind of

29:50

hard to do. Like Facebook should have

29:52

been your example, but they quit doing

29:54

that. You two have had

29:57

games before as a better effect. And

30:00

and then got rid of them because you mentioned

30:02

Farmville earlier Farmville started on on on

30:05

Facebook on Facebook Yeah, and Facebook had a ton

30:07

of games going for a long time here But

30:09

you know in at

30:11

in its heyday Farmville very

30:13

big deal. Oh, yeah, it's still Many

30:17

apps including Farmville itself that have multiple sequels and

30:19

are very popular on the app store But apps

30:21

kind of took over and we chatting

30:23

is the only one I could think of yeah To

30:26

do with you know it More

30:28

to do with where people hang out online

30:31

and less to do it is the

30:33

game fun Yeah, right this is the

30:35

game is fun, but people were just like

30:37

no more farm This is making a wager that

30:39

says we think it's flipping the other way a little

30:41

bit and we want to be here for that flip

30:43

Right because I got an attached to burn that it's

30:45

a low-risk effort to do this kind of what's you

30:47

know What's the worst case you just drop it in

30:49

six months like they have most of their gaming stuff.

30:51

It's fine All right,

30:54

let's check out the mailbag Let's do

30:56

it Mike and steamy Dubai

30:58

wrote I loved your analysis on

31:00

EV sales He's talking about yesterday's

31:03

show that we had but Charlotte Henry

31:05

on people holding off on an IV

31:07

Mike says it's me I'll

31:10

be moving back to the US and considering selling

31:12

my 2017 ice car Internable

31:16

combustion engine However, the slow

31:18

roll out of adoption of the NACS

31:20

in non Tesla cars has me holding

31:22

off knowing the resale value Will be

31:24

lower for EVs without it I'd

31:27

be lying if I said that

31:29

musks antics don't weigh in on

31:31

my decision not to buy a

31:33

Tesla But more worrying or complaints

31:36

I'm hearing about reliability on newer

31:38

Tesla's more importantly The sudden

31:40

shuttering of the charging unit has given

31:42

me concern about how much I'll be

31:44

able to rely on other Tesla features

31:46

and the future of that charging network

31:49

Mike says as somebody who wants to put

31:51

my money where my mouth is on EVs I

31:53

will sadly hold off for a year or

31:55

two to see how the charging network and

31:58

standards end up working out First

32:01

of all, the charging network layoff

32:03

is partly because it is being

32:05

outsourced and standardized. So I

32:08

think that gets a little bit of an overreaction from

32:10

some folks. But your

32:12

concerns are perfectly reasonable. We got concerns from

32:14

multiple people that said, you know, here's why

32:16

I wouldn't want to buy an EV right

32:18

away. But I would like to, again,

32:21

as I did within the show yesterday,

32:23

remind people the story wasn't that EV

32:25

sales were slowing in the US. The

32:27

story was that EV sales are not

32:29

slowing in the US. But it's grew

32:31

23% year over year in Q1. Now

32:35

that's not as fast as it was

32:37

growing in the past, but it's picking

32:39

back up. It's gaining momentum. So the

32:41

story wasn't, oh, the EVs, people aren't

32:44

buying EVs. The story was if you

32:46

heard that people weren't buying EVs, turns

32:48

out that was a very momentary blip

32:50

and people are buying EVs. So let's

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