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Mania for Subjugation

Released Friday, 7th June 2024
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Mania for Subjugation

Mania for Subjugation

Mania for Subjugation

Mania for Subjugation

Friday, 7th June 2024
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December 7th, 1941. A

0:07

date which will live in infamy.

0:09

It's history. One small

0:12

step for man. One

0:14

giant leap for mankind.

0:18

The events. The

0:20

city of the North is not a city of

0:22

the West. The city of the North is a

0:24

city of the West. Let's have

0:27

a fight now. Not quite to

0:29

the more massive mental world humanity.

0:32

From this time and place. I take

0:34

pride in the words. Ish

0:37

bin, I'm the Alina. Mr.

0:40

Wobichoff, tear down

0:42

this world. The

0:44

drama. Eight six of a half, gorgeous. Marine

0:47

six. Now at two,

0:49

has an immediate explosion and what appears to

0:51

be a complete collapse. So how can the

0:53

entire area... I welcome this kind of examination.

0:55

Because people have got to know whether or

0:57

not their presidents have come. The

0:59

deep question. If we dig deep in our

1:01

history and our doctrine. And

1:04

remember that we are not descended

1:06

from fearful men. It's

1:15

hardcore history. Like

1:20

many of you, I am a fan

1:22

of ancient mythology. The

1:25

stories of creation.

1:28

Or how human beings came to be.

1:31

Or tales that involve gods and

1:33

heroes and monsters. And sometimes just

1:35

regular people. Who go

1:38

through interesting sorts

1:40

of events. Or travels

1:42

or what not. And

1:46

often times these mythological

1:48

stories are meant to impart lessons.

1:51

We're supposed to learn something from

1:53

them. What to do,

1:55

what not to do. You're

1:58

tempted to almost say at the end of all. of

2:00

them and the moral of the story is, right?

2:03

What are we supposed to learn from this? Hunter

2:05

S. Thompson used to call it in his columns, The

2:07

Wisdom. And some

2:10

of my favorite mythological stories

2:12

are cautionary tales, examples

2:15

of what can happen if we're not

2:17

careful. And one of

2:19

my favorite versions of that

2:21

kind of story, that kind of

2:23

mythological teaching

2:26

tool, is the

2:28

famous story of Daedalus and Icarus.

2:32

If you know your ancient Greek philosophy,

2:34

you will recall that Daedalus is

2:36

a master craftsman, an inventor. He

2:39

can seemingly make anything. He's the one who

2:42

built the famous labyrinth

2:44

that held the Minotaur, and it

2:47

was the king of Minoa,

2:49

the Cretan area on the island

2:51

of Crete that had Daedalus build

2:53

this forum. But at a certain

2:56

point, he turns against Daedalus and

2:58

imprisons Daedalus and Icarus. But

3:00

of course, when you imprison one of

3:02

the great inventors of all time, he's

3:05

going to try to invent a way to get out. And

3:08

in this case, he does. He creates

3:10

wings for he and his son. Wings

3:14

made of multiple different materials,

3:16

including things like feathers and

3:18

beeswax, and he and his son

3:20

are going to be able to fly out of this prison.

3:23

But Daedalus warns his son before

3:25

doing so. He

3:28

tells him not to get

3:30

complacent and allow himself to

3:32

fly too close to the water, because if

3:34

you're too low, the moisture, he says, from

3:37

the sea will ruin the wings, and you'll

3:39

lose your power of flight and you'll crash.

3:42

Conversely, he warns

3:44

him about getting filled

3:46

with hubris and forgetting how dangerous

3:49

this is and allowing himself to fly

3:51

too high, because if he does that,

3:53

the sun will melt the beeswax

3:55

that hold these wings together and

3:57

you'll plummet and fall. And,

4:00

of course, being an ancient Greek

4:03

mythological tale, how would

4:05

it work if everything just went fine? And, of

4:07

course, it doesn't. Icarus

4:09

forgets his father's warnings, gets

4:12

taken sort of over by the

4:15

enthusiasm that happens when a human

4:17

being gets a chance to fly like a bird,

4:20

allows himself to fly too high, and

4:22

the sun melts, the bees wax,

4:25

the wings fall apart, and

4:27

Icarus plunges into the sea and

4:29

dies. The

4:32

moral of the story, the takeaway from

4:34

all this, is supposed

4:36

to be a warning

4:39

about ambition and

4:42

allowing oneself to

4:44

get too ambitious, to forget

4:47

that there is a middle

4:49

ground that everyone should shoot for.

4:53

In philosophy, this is sometimes called the

4:55

golden mean, and it

4:57

involves things that are considered to be virtues

4:59

when you have them in the right amount,

5:02

but if you have them in the wrong amount, can

5:04

turn into vices. And

5:07

one of the examples that's often used in

5:09

the ancient Greek philosophies is courage.

5:12

The right amount of courage is a virtue. If

5:16

you have too little of it, it's cowardice, and

5:18

that's a vice. But if you have

5:20

too much of it, it's recklessness, and that's

5:22

a vice too. The

5:26

question of ambition is

5:28

an equally interesting one. It's

5:30

a very Goldilocks-type concept, this

5:32

golden mean. This porridge

5:34

is too hot, this porridge is too cold, this

5:36

porridge is just right. Well,

5:38

if you're dealing with ambition and not porridge,

5:41

where is the just right point?

5:44

It's not easy to pin down, is it? The

5:51

dictionary defines ambition

5:55

as an ardent desire for

5:57

rank, fame, or power. It's

6:00

described as a character trait that

6:04

involves people who are driven to succeed

6:07

at lofty goals, right? It

6:09

involves drive, ambition, tenacity, the

6:12

pursuit of excellence, the desire

6:14

to be the best. The

6:19

interesting thing about the desire to be

6:21

the best though is that

6:23

that's a competitive thing. It

6:25

means you're competing with other people

6:27

who also want to be the

6:29

best. You're seeking distinction, right? Fame.

6:33

You want to be seen as better than

6:35

other people. There's

6:39

an interesting line Edmund Burke once said

6:41

that fame is the passion which is

6:43

the instinct of all great souls, right?

6:46

They seek distinction and

6:48

to a certain degree this is positive unless

6:51

it gets too intense to

6:55

steal a phrase that was originally used

6:57

for something else. Ambition is

6:59

a bit like fire, a dangerous

7:01

servant and a cruel master

7:03

and you can see what happens when it gets

7:06

out of control. In

7:08

the case of a mythological figure like

7:10

Icarus, his

7:13

over ambition or his

7:16

hubris obviously cost

7:18

him his life. And

7:21

in most cases where

7:23

something like ambition is out

7:26

of balance, right? Where you have too much of it,

7:29

it only burns the person who's trying to achieve

7:31

the fame and distinction, right? If you're a runner

7:34

and you want to be the fastest human being in the

7:36

world, maybe you cut corners,

7:38

maybe you cheat, maybe you take

7:40

performance enhancing drugs, but at

7:43

the end of the day the person who

7:45

paid the price for that is you. But

7:49

what if when Icarus' hubris

7:51

gets the best of him and

7:54

the sun melts his beeswax holding

7:56

the wings together and he falls,

7:59

what if he falls? on a crowd of people?

8:02

What if it isn't just about Icarus anymore? What

8:05

if the area where

8:07

you seek fame and

8:09

success and distinction

8:13

involves the lives and destinies

8:17

of lots and lots of people? That's

8:21

when this question of this

8:26

virtue of ambition or

8:28

desire to be the best can

8:31

become ultimately at

8:34

times genocidal. I mean

8:37

take for example a figure like

8:39

Julius Caesar from the Roman Republican

8:41

era, right? There's

8:44

a great story about Caesar and it very

8:46

well may not be true. It's recounted in

8:48

a couple of different sources which doesn't mean

8:50

it's true. The

8:52

Roman writer Suetonius recounts

8:55

a version of this tale as does the

8:57

Greek author Plutarch, but

8:59

they talk about when Julius Caesar was

9:01

stationed in Spain. He was about 32

9:03

years old at the time. Suetonius says

9:05

he's reading a history of Alexander

9:08

the Great. Plutarch says he

9:10

is sitting at the foot of

9:12

a statue of Alexander the Great who lived

9:14

a couple of centuries before Caesar. Suetonius

9:17

says he was sighing and

9:19

had a vexing look on his face. Plutarch

9:21

says he's out and out weeping and when

9:24

somebody says why are you crying Caesar is supposed

9:26

to have replied don't I have good reason to?

9:28

At the age

9:30

that I am now Alexander

9:33

the Great had conquered you know all

9:35

these kingdoms and what have I done

9:37

of distinction? Showing

9:39

that in Caesar's mind

9:41

he's not just competing with the other

9:44

august figures of his own era right the

9:46

other great human

9:48

beings who are pushing the

9:50

envelope of distinction and fame and notoriety

9:52

and power in the ancient Roman Republic.

9:55

Julius Caesar's competing on

9:58

a celestial level. He

10:00

wants to be the best that ever was, and

10:02

when you're playing on that

10:05

level of rarefied turf, you're up

10:07

against people like Alexander the Great.

10:12

But when your over-ambition sends

10:15

you crashing to the ground,

10:19

if you're Julius Caesar, you land

10:21

on a lot of people. As

10:24

author Tom Holland said about Caesar,

10:26

he said Caesar's own ambitions were

10:28

one day to consume the entire

10:31

Republic. Clearly

10:33

that never would have happened if Caesar's

10:35

ambitions had been to become the

10:37

best flute player in ancient

10:39

Rome, but he wanted to

10:42

be the great ruler,

10:44

conqueror, empire builder.

10:48

And when that's what you want to be famous for, it

10:51

means you're going to have to kill a lot of people

10:53

to win the gold medal. In fact, if you look at

10:55

the way the Roman Republic is

10:58

set up, it's set up to encourage

11:00

distinction between its greatest figures,

11:02

and that worked for Rome for a long

11:04

time. It was almost part

11:06

of the plan, right? Get your greatest figures desiring

11:09

to outdo one another, and when they do

11:11

great deeds, they pull the Republic with them.

11:15

There's also a built-in mechanism to keep it

11:17

from getting out of control. It's sort of

11:19

a crabs-in-a-bucket dynamic, where if any one figure

11:22

starts to become too successful and almost climb

11:24

out of the bucket, the other great figures,

11:26

the other crabs, pull them back down. And

11:29

that works until it doesn't. And

11:32

eventually somebody barbecues the Republic, and

11:34

that's Julius Caesar. And

11:37

the number of people who die because of that

11:40

is legion. The

11:43

reasons for this are recognized

11:45

by other people who

11:48

try to compete in

11:50

this same kind of celestial

11:52

historical event. There's a

11:54

very interesting line from Napoleon

11:56

Bonaparte, written in the 1790s, where he talks

11:59

about the danger of ambition. And remember,

12:02

Bonaparte's one of the few people that you could call a

12:05

peer of a guy like Alexander or Julius

12:07

Caesar. If they were going to be tried

12:09

in the celestial court of historical justice and

12:12

you had to have a jury of your

12:14

peers, Napoleon could be one of those people

12:16

sitting on the jury. And he once said

12:18

that ambition, which overthrows governments

12:20

and private fortunes, which

12:23

feeds on blood and crimes,

12:26

ambition is like all the nordant

12:28

passions, he wrote, a violent and

12:30

unthinking fever that ceases only when

12:32

life ceases, like a

12:35

conflagration which, fanned by a

12:37

pitiless wind, ends only after

12:39

all has been consumed. And

12:43

the poster child for

12:45

the dangers associated with outsize,

12:48

out-of-control ambition, the geopolitical,

12:52

real-life example of

12:55

an Icarus in global affairs, is

12:58

Alexander the Great. Of

13:02

course, Icarus clearly failed at what he

13:05

was trying to do. If you're trying

13:07

to fly across the water and instead

13:10

you crash into the sea and die, that's

13:12

not success. In

13:14

Alexander's case, measuring how

13:16

well he did depends on what he was trying to do

13:19

in the first place, doesn't it? If

13:21

he was trying to become eternally

13:23

famous, achieve glory,

13:26

conquer lots of places, and write

13:29

his name in the sands of time

13:31

more deeply and enduringly than anyone else

13:33

ever, he might have to

13:35

give the guy an A+. After

13:38

all, he lived more than 2,300 years ago, and

13:42

he's probably, I mean, biblical personages

13:45

aside, the most famous early figure in

13:47

history that most people, if you brought

13:50

a microphone and started asking them on

13:52

the street of any major city in

13:54

the world, that most people would recognize,

13:56

don't you think? The

14:00

guy still has books coming

14:02

out about him or some aspect of

14:04

his life or career every year. Regularly

14:08

has movies and TV shows and all kinds of

14:10

things like that coming out. Podcasts

14:13

too, it must be said. And

14:16

he's fascinated people ever

14:18

since his life. Yours truly,

14:20

clearly also. There's

14:22

a ton of reasons for this. First of all, we should

14:25

notice that he's one of the better examples you can use

14:27

to prove something that historians have

14:29

understood for a very long time, which is

14:31

that you interpret people through the

14:33

lens and the morality and the standards

14:36

and ethics of the time that you

14:38

live in. So Alexander has been seen

14:41

any number of different ways based

14:44

on who's doing the viewing. In

14:46

some eras he's been seen as

14:48

a almost philosopher king. In

14:51

others he's been seen as a

14:54

great representative of the idea of

14:57

the civilizing

14:59

force. We've

15:01

used the term historical arsonist before. In

15:03

some eras Alexander was seen as someone

15:06

who had to come along to break

15:08

the log jam that was keeping the

15:10

world from moving forward. A great blender

15:12

of civilizations, a great spreader of Hellenism,

15:14

or a butcher. Depends

15:18

on who's doing the viewing, right? Guys

15:20

like Alexander are the equivalent of holding

15:23

a mirror up to the society that's

15:25

assessing them. Like

15:27

so many great figures in history who

15:30

did amazing things, Alexander

15:32

benefited from nepotism. He

15:35

is the son of a king, right? He's

15:37

in a monarchy. That's

15:39

the best kind of nepotism if you're trying

15:42

to start your career off with a great

15:44

advantage. I mean, what's the old line that,

15:46

you know, they start off on third and

15:48

think they hit a triple? I

15:50

mean, don't you think a guy like Caesar or Napoleon

15:53

or Genghis Khan would have loved that

15:55

sort of a head start, right? When

15:58

Caesar's crying supposedly. at the

16:00

foot of Alexander's statue because

16:03

he hasn't achieved as much by the

16:05

same age as Alexander did. Well, Alexander had a huge

16:07

head start, didn't he? A

16:09

lot of guys who have the words,

16:11

the Great, after their name fall into that category.

16:13

I mean, you can look at a guy like

16:16

Frederick the Great of Prussia. He

16:18

had a father who did a lot

16:20

of the heavy lifting of building all

16:23

of the edifice for conquest

16:25

that would come later. He centralized a

16:28

state. He organized a taxation system. He

16:30

built a bureaucracy. And oh yeah, he

16:32

created a maserati of an army and

16:35

then handed the keys to the sports

16:37

car to his son to go

16:39

off and do amazing things and then get the

16:42

title, The Great, added to his

16:44

name. Probably should have been his dad's title when you

16:46

think about it. And you

16:48

can say similar things for

16:50

Alexander. Alexander's

16:52

father was an amazing figure. He

16:55

is such an incredible person that had

16:58

Alexander not lived, we would probably know

17:00

his dad's name instead. And maybe his

17:02

dad would have been called the Great.

17:06

Instead his dad was called Philip II of

17:09

a place called Macdonia. Quick

17:13

word on pronunciation here, or mispronunciation

17:15

as the case may be. I'm

17:18

one of those people who've long been

17:20

a heretic on the matter and pronounce

17:22

Macdonia with the hard C sound instead

17:24

of the more common in English soft

17:26

C sound. I have a

17:28

lot of reasons for that. If you'd like to read

17:30

a long-winded account of my thinking, we will link to

17:32

a written article in the show notes about it. But

17:35

I've been a heretic since I first encountered some

17:38

of the history writing in the 1980s where some

17:40

of those historians simply took the question out

17:42

of the hands of the reader by substituting

17:44

a K for a C in the words

17:46

like Macadonian or Scythian.

17:50

As you follow the tumbling

17:53

etymological dominoes on this

17:55

question, you might find

17:57

yourself a heretic too. If

18:00

I'm mispronouncing the word in your mind, just

18:02

know that I'm doing it intentionally. Macedonia,

18:05

though, is an area north of Greece. And

18:08

whether or not it's composed of people you

18:10

should call Greek has been

18:12

an ongoing issue from Philip

18:15

the Second's time until now. For

18:18

different reasons, though, in Philip the Second's

18:20

time, you couldn't participate, for example, in

18:22

the Olympic Games unless you were considered

18:24

Greek. And the Greeks during

18:26

the time period had debates about this,

18:28

and Philip the Second, amongst other Macedonian

18:30

kings, worked hard to try to make

18:32

sure he and his people

18:34

were considered meeting the criteria that

18:37

would classify them as Greek. These

18:39

days the question is still an open one, but

18:42

a lot of it revolves around all

18:44

of the DNA that has

18:46

moved into the region north of Greece over

18:48

all the centuries since Alexander the Great's time,

18:51

23 centuries or more. A

18:54

lot of different peoples move into that area.

18:56

How does that affect the ethnic makeup? Well,

18:59

people still talk about it. One

19:04

thing you can say, though, is that

19:06

this area north of Greece in classical

19:08

Greek times wasn't very

19:10

much like classical Greece. Classical

19:13

Greece, of course, is the Greece of the

19:15

Greek and Persian wars, the Peloponnesian wars. So

19:18

think 500 BC,

19:20

BCE, 400, 300, that

19:22

whole range, populated, of

19:24

course, by city-states. The

19:27

famous ones, right? Athens, Sparta,

19:29

Corinth, Argos, Thebes. All

19:33

these places could almost be

19:35

likened to small-scale countries, you know, where the

19:37

people were patriotic towards their cities, where the

19:39

cities went to war with one another. They

19:43

usually controlled a decent chunk of

19:45

the surrounding territory, and

19:47

the people who lived there were

19:50

considered to be sort of the members

19:53

of a country, but the countries were small-scale places. All of

19:55

these places tend to be small-scale.

20:00

to have thriving middle classes. The

20:04

citizens, up until a certain time period,

20:06

usually made up the militaries of these

20:08

places, and these city-states fought each other.

20:12

These armies were often militia

20:14

armies in terms of their

20:16

organization. So if you were

20:18

a farmer in Thebes, and all of a sudden you guys

20:20

were gonna go to war against Corinth,

20:22

well you were going to go

20:25

grab your armor from over the

20:27

fireplace, and it might have been

20:29

the same armor your dad and

20:31

your granddad used. Grab your three-foot

20:33

diameter round shield, put

20:35

the sword in your belt, get your six

20:38

to nine foot long long spear, and

20:40

run down the hill to join your

20:43

neighbors in the local phalanx,

20:45

the closed body of troops who

20:47

stood shoulder to shoulder, five

20:50

or eight ranks deep, and

20:53

met the other citizens of

20:55

the other city-state. And when the fighting

20:57

was done and the decision had,

20:59

you'd go back home, put the armor back

21:01

over the fireplace, grab the plow, and get

21:03

back to the farm. Things

21:07

were very different though, north of Greece

21:09

and Macedonia, where they really

21:11

didn't have a thriving middle class, and

21:13

they didn't have any city-states. They had

21:15

villages and towns and hamlets. Instead

21:18

of a thriving middle class, they sort of had

21:20

a group that tilled the land. I'm not sure if

21:23

you called them peasants, that would be exactly right, but

21:25

you definitely had a nobility that was often

21:28

referred to by a Greek word that's

21:30

often translated to knights or

21:33

barons, and

21:35

these people owed their allegiance to a

21:37

king. Now even

21:40

the idea of having a king

21:42

to the Greeks of this

21:44

time period was a sign, a

21:46

mark of barbarism. Kings

21:49

were what the Egyptians had with a pharaoh.

21:52

Kings were what the Persians had with

21:54

their great King of Kings. In

21:57

the Greek city-state you often had all kinds of

21:59

different governments, but kings weren't usually a part

22:01

of it. And one of the states that

22:04

had kings, Sparta, famously had two of them.

22:07

Kind of takes the whole, you know, absolute

22:09

ruler side of the question out of the

22:11

equation, doesn't it, if you have two of

22:13

them. Reminds me

22:15

a little of the Roman Republic's concept

22:18

of having not one consul, but

22:20

two consuls, right? Divides the

22:22

power and authority a little bit. But

22:25

if you had a king, that was a sure sign that

22:27

you probably weren't Greek. And if your

22:30

king was polygamous, well that was another

22:32

sure sign it probably wasn't a Greek

22:34

place, because in, you know, Greece of

22:36

the time period we're talking about, polygamy

22:38

was another sure sign of barbarism. Add

22:43

to that the fact that

22:45

these Macedonians lived a much

22:47

more sort of a rustic

22:49

existence than your average cosmopolitan

22:51

Greek city-state. Cosmopolitan by comparison,

22:55

you look at Macadonian Royal Society

22:58

and it looks more like a mafia crime

23:00

family than anything you can think of. Well

23:02

mafia crime family, if you combined it with

23:04

a daytime soap opera. A mafia

23:07

crime family with some more homosexuality and

23:09

sorcery than most mafia crime families are

23:11

known for. I wrote

23:14

down some of the adjectives used by historians

23:16

to describe, you know, the

23:18

Macadonian royal family situation and they talked

23:20

about assassinations, executions,

23:22

civil wars, hostage-taking,

23:24

incest, drunken murders,

23:27

adultery, witchcraft. Makes

23:30

for great reading, but you might not want to live

23:32

there. It

23:34

does mean that the kings

23:36

of Macadonia who came of age

23:38

and managed to rule were in

23:41

a sort of a Darwinian sense

23:43

pretty tough survivors. In

23:46

fact, Philip II had two older brothers.

23:49

It's interesting to note that Philip II's mother

23:51

gave birth to three sons. All three became

23:53

kings and all

23:56

three died violently. One

23:59

was killed in wars fighting

24:01

Macadonia's enemies. Another was assassinated, which

24:03

is a pretty normal

24:05

thing to happen. Actually, two of them were assassinated.

24:09

Macadonia was a territory with

24:12

powerful enemies all around them.

24:15

They had the Illyrian tribes in one

24:17

direction, which again the Greeks considered to

24:19

be barbarians. They had the

24:21

Thracian tribes, and there were like 40

24:23

different Thracian tribes, also to

24:26

the north in the other direction. What

24:29

this meant was twofold. One, they were always

24:31

fighting these people, but two, they were often

24:33

intermarrying their royal families to try to cement

24:35

deals. There are

24:37

strong strains of Thracian,

24:41

Illyrian, and Epirote

24:43

blood that runs through the royal

24:45

families of the Macadonians. Traditionally,

24:50

Philip II is seen as a guy

24:53

who brings Macadonia to power

24:55

from nothing. That

24:58

is probably not true, considering

25:00

the newfangled histories about him,

25:02

because one of the great

25:04

things that revisionist historians have figured out

25:06

in a lot of these cases is

25:08

that any time the history sort of

25:10

portrays someone as creating

25:13

something from nothing, it probably

25:16

wasn't true. That there were probably

25:18

foundational things bubbling up under the

25:20

surface that didn't make their appearance

25:22

felt in the history books until

25:24

someone was able to reach a

25:26

critical mass. That's probably

25:28

the case with Philip II, who was

25:30

probably building upon state formation

25:33

and development that his ancestors had been

25:35

able to lay down, lay

25:37

down a few levels of solidity

25:39

that a guy like Philip II could

25:41

finally run with in

25:44

the same way that he laid down the Maserati

25:47

type situation that his son got to

25:49

run with. And

25:53

one of the reasons that Philip is so

25:55

able to exploit these

25:58

maneuvers done by some of his his

26:00

predecessors is the

26:02

stability he brings to the leadership

26:04

question. I mean, that's the

26:06

key issue. If you look at it

26:08

in hindsight, that's keeping Macedonia from doing

26:11

better. They can't keep competent

26:13

leaders on the throne for very long. At

26:15

one point before Philip takes over, Macedonia

26:17

is going to have five kings in six years,

26:21

and most of them die violently. That's

26:23

a difficult situation to overcome, even

26:25

with a lot of advantages. And what sort of

26:28

advantages are we talking about? Well,

26:31

one is that Macedonia has got quite a bit

26:33

of arable land. Compare that

26:35

to the powerful Greek city-states in the south,

26:38

who are splitting

26:40

up the land between all the different

26:42

city-states. So no city-state controls at all.

26:45

They've been cutting down trees for hundreds

26:47

of years in Greece

26:49

proper, which isn't fantastic tree-growing

26:52

territory to begin with. Macedonia

26:54

has got a lot of trees. In fact, the

26:57

ancient sources record that the best and

26:59

most important timber in this

27:01

period, and remember timber is used

27:03

for everything, including the building of

27:05

navies, very important in ancient Greece.

27:08

The best timber comes from Macedonia. They've

27:11

got wonderful areas to farm and

27:14

to graze cattle and horses.

27:18

They control important mineral and precious

27:20

metal mines, and we'll get more

27:22

of them. And

27:24

they've also got a population

27:27

that will prove to be

27:30

very culturally and

27:32

maybe lifestyle-wise good

27:35

at fighting. This

27:37

is sort of an interesting thing to examine

27:39

compared to our modern era, when people

27:42

can kill other people with a

27:45

push of a button from drones

27:48

halfway around the world, but in

27:50

an era where you actually have to kill

27:53

people by shoving a knife into their throat

27:55

or something like that, the

27:57

way you're brought up can influence how well

27:59

you're able to do that. I mean

28:03

there's a big difference isn't there between

28:05

somebody raised on a ranch

28:08

like a cow hand who

28:11

slaughters and drives cattle for example and a

28:13

kid growing up in Los Angeles playing Dungeons

28:15

& Dragons. Now the Dungeons & Dragons kid

28:17

with his video games and all that might

28:20

be very good at the drone strikes from

28:22

the other side of the globe but

28:24

one's going to think that when it comes to

28:27

killing an animal or a person

28:29

by hand there might be

28:32

some advantages to the one who's doing that

28:34

on the farm and in

28:37

his book By

28:39

the Spear Philip II Alexander the Great

28:41

and the Rise and Fall of the

28:43

Macadonian Empire historian Ian Worthington sort of

28:45

draws this distinction he compares an Athenian

28:48

to a Macadonian

28:51

and compares their cultures and the way

28:54

they grow up and the carrots and

28:56

sticks in their societies and how something

28:58

like that might actually have an effect

29:00

on the battlefield when you

29:02

don't get to shoot somebody from a hundred

29:05

yards away but you actually have to walk

29:07

up and shove a spear

29:09

into them and Worthington

29:12

talks about the

29:14

Athenian lifestyle you know

29:16

probably the most like

29:18

the Los Angeles Dungeons & Dragons kids

29:20

of this era and he says quote

29:23

the whole fabric of Macadonian society

29:25

was alien to Greeks and

29:28

so abhorred by them a

29:30

Macadonian male was an entirely different

29:32

animal from his Athenian counterpart for

29:35

example who came of age in 18 was then eligible

29:38

to attend the assembly which is the

29:40

body that debates and votes on domestic

29:43

and foreign policy he says served

29:45

in the army as and when

29:47

required was eligible for jury

29:50

service when he turned 30 and if

29:52

he came from a well-to-do

29:55

family attended symposia to engage

29:57

in intellectual discussions before letting

30:00

down and swapping talk for

30:02

sex with the ever-present courtesans."

30:07

He then says, quote, Macadonia

30:10

was utterly different. No

30:12

one was allowed to wash in warm water,

30:14

except women who had just given birth. No

30:17

man could recline at a banquet until

30:19

he had speared and killed one of

30:22

the ferocious wild boars without using a

30:24

net to trap it. A

30:26

soldier had to wear a rope or sash

30:28

around his waist until he had killed his

30:30

first man in battle. To

30:33

achieve these expectations, he writes, boys

30:35

from an early age were taught to fight, ride

30:38

a horse, and hunt wild

30:40

boar, foxes, birds, and even

30:42

lions. End quote.

30:46

He then says that Macadonian

30:48

society was rugged and

30:50

had more in common with the

30:52

tough love of Homeric heroes or

30:54

even Viking society than classical Greece.

30:59

According to the ancient writers, there are all

31:01

sorts of other things that the Macadonians have

31:05

as part of their lifestyle that make them

31:07

seem a little like Vikings. They're supposed to

31:09

wear animal skins or bear pelts, drink

31:12

their alcohol out of big

31:14

drinking horns. Right? Reminds

31:16

you of Vikings right there, doesn't

31:18

it? The Athenians, who in a

31:20

very cultured way at their symposia, where they're

31:22

going to talk politics and all these sorts

31:24

of things, they would always take

31:27

their wine and mix it with water, cut

31:29

the strength down, you know, to make

31:32

sure people weren't just passing out at

31:34

their parties. They could continue to have

31:36

a nice, high-minded conversation. The Macadonians wanted

31:38

their wines straight and unmixed, and

31:41

they weren't going to have polite little

31:43

sober conversations. They were going to have

31:45

drinking parties where they were going to

31:47

have competitions to see who could drink

31:49

the most wine the fastest. Right? You

31:52

get two guys standing up there with giant terrines of

31:54

unmixed wine, and they both go at it to try

31:56

to see who can last the longest without just passing

31:59

out at their feet. different

32:01

kind of culture entirely. And this

32:03

is the kind of culture that

32:06

Philip is born into right around 383, 382 BC BCE. The murderous

32:08

soap opera of Macedonian

32:15

royal life is in full

32:17

swing during his birth. And

32:20

you don't know what to believe. The ancient

32:22

sources are really hard on women, especially women

32:24

of some power and authority. The Romans and

32:26

the Greek historians always treat them as kind

32:28

of uppity, you're evil

32:30

or borderline malicious

32:32

just by being powerful and assertive.

32:35

Adrian Goldsworthy, the modern historian, suggests

32:38

we not treat these stories specifically

32:40

as though they're 100% true. But

32:44

Philip's mom, a woman

32:46

named Eurydice, is

32:49

obviously married to Philip's dad, but supposedly

32:52

is in a sexual

32:55

relationship with her son-in-law,

32:58

Philip's sister's husband, and they

33:00

both plot against Philip's dad.

33:04

The plot fails and

33:06

Philip's dad forgives them and they

33:09

maybe go on to continue to maneuver

33:11

behind his back. And then when Philip's

33:13

dad dies, the

33:16

guy who's shacking up with Philip's

33:18

mom is continually inserting

33:21

his hands and trying to manipulate

33:23

the kingship. He may have been

33:25

involved by hook or

33:27

by crook in the assassination of Philip's brother

33:29

when he's a king. So

33:33

it's an interesting family dynamic

33:35

to say the least, but

33:38

nothing unusual given Macedonian history.

33:40

Around the year 368, Philip

33:43

is sent as a hostage to

33:45

the Greek city-state of Thebes. Now

33:48

the reason you send a royal family

33:51

member to another city-state or place

33:53

like Thebes is as

33:55

part of a peace agreement. It sort of

33:58

seals the deal. to go back

34:00

in the peace agreement when we have a bunch of

34:02

your royal family members with us. Think

34:05

about the phenomenon of pages in

34:07

the middle ages. It's not that dissimilar, and Philip

34:09

would have been treated nicely. It wasn't like they

34:11

threw them in a dungeon. But

34:15

it's in Thebes that supposedly Philip

34:17

learns a lot of

34:19

important things about warfare, because

34:21

he's in Thebes at a very

34:24

specific time in history, the time

34:26

in history where Thebes is for

34:28

a short period sort

34:30

of the kings of the Greek

34:32

scene, because they've recently, in

34:34

371 BCE, defeated

34:38

and broken Spartan power. At

34:41

a famous battle called Luchtra, maybe

34:44

the greatest Greek general up until

34:46

this time period, a guy named

34:48

Epaminondas was the guy

34:51

in charge, and he was doing

34:53

really interesting things militarily, and

34:55

Philip is housed with one of his

34:57

generals, and so he's learning

34:59

things, things that he will, well, at

35:02

least the tradition holds, build off of.

35:05

He's going to create an army that builds

35:07

on the foundation that he's taught when he's

35:09

in Thebes. The other thing that happens in

35:11

Thebes is Philip is exposed to all sorts

35:14

of high-minded things. I mean, the guy he

35:16

stays with is a follower

35:19

of the Pythagorean sort of

35:21

lifestyle, I mean, vegetarianism, self-sacrifice,

35:27

a whole bunch of things that Philip

35:29

really wasn't personality-wise, but he's

35:31

getting a chance to really see how

35:33

city-states operate, how their government works, and

35:35

to be exposed to these sorts of

35:37

philosophical ideas that maybe

35:39

wouldn't have been too

35:41

common for a bearskin-wearing

35:44

drinking horn-using, you know,

35:47

barbarian. Meanwhile,

35:50

Philip's oldest brother is assassinated

35:52

during a war dance. His

35:55

next oldest brother recalls Philip from

35:58

Thebes, and he's killed in

36:00

a fight with the Illyrians and another

36:03

4,000 macadonian troops with him,

36:06

and this is the scene that Philip

36:08

finds himself in once he

36:10

sort of reaches the kingship. Now

36:15

the first thing to say about Philip is

36:18

you just don't know much about

36:20

him that you can depend on, because like

36:23

his son Alexander, he is

36:25

the subject of an immense propaganda

36:28

campaign, and the Athenians in this time

36:30

period who were his enemies are the

36:32

best propagandists in Greece, they have some

36:35

of the best orators and speakers going,

36:38

one of them is named Demosthenes, and

36:40

Demosthenes, I mean he'll write

36:42

a bunch of arguments against Philip known

36:44

as the Philippics, and much

36:47

of what we know about Philip comes

36:49

from the Philippics, but the entire design

36:51

and approach of the Philippics is to

36:53

make Philip sound like he's Darth Vader

36:55

or Sauron breathing down Athens' neck, so

36:58

maybe not exactly a

37:02

realistic or fair account

37:04

of the guy. I've

37:06

always loved the way historian Will Durant,

37:09

gosh, I mean I want to say it's almost

37:11

a hundred years ago now, writing about

37:13

Philip describes him, and it may not be

37:15

a fair description either,

37:17

because some of the modern-day historians are

37:20

much kinder to Philip in terms of

37:22

treating him as a more cultured man,

37:24

a more well-spoken man than

37:26

the old-style historians, but Will Durant

37:29

gives a quick rundown that

37:31

just describes how amazing the

37:33

guy is, both in pro and cons,

37:35

and this is what he has to

37:37

say about the personality of Philip the

37:40

Great, or the man

37:42

who maybe should be named Philip the Great,

37:46

in his book The Life of Greece, and

37:48

he says, quote, He

37:50

had all the virtues except those

37:53

of civilization. He was strong

37:55

in body and will, athletic

37:57

and handsome, a magnificent animal,

38:00

trying now and then to be an

38:02

Athenian gentleman. Like his

38:04

famous son, he was a man

38:06

of violent temper and abounding generosity,

38:09

loving battle as much, strong

38:11

drink more. Unlike

38:13

Alexander, he was a jovial laughter, and

38:15

raised to high office a slave who

38:17

amused him. He liked

38:20

boys, but liked women better, and married

38:22

as many of them as he could. He

38:25

continues a little farther. Most

38:28

of all, he liked stalwart men, who

38:30

could risk their lives all day, and

38:32

gamble and carouse with him half the

38:34

night. He was literally, before

38:36

Alexander, the bravest of the brave,

38:39

and left a part of himself

38:41

on every battlefield." He

38:46

had a subtle intelligence, capable

38:48

of patiently awaiting his chance,

38:51

and of moving resolutely through

38:53

difficult means to distant ends.

38:55

In diplomacy, he was affable

38:58

and treacherous. He broke a

39:00

promise with a light heart, and was always

39:02

ready to make another. He

39:04

recognized no morals for governments,

39:06

and looked upon lies and

39:08

bribes as humane substitutes for

39:10

slaughter. But he was lenient

39:13

in victory, and usually gave the defeated

39:15

Greeks better terms than they gave one

39:17

another. All who met

39:19

him, except the obstinate Demosthenes, liked

39:21

him, and ranked him as the

39:24

strongest and most interesting character of

39:26

his time." And

39:29

Demosthenes, who really didn't like him, still

39:31

had to say, quoting

39:33

Demosthenes, "...What a man!

39:36

For the sake of power and

39:38

dominion, he had an eye struck

39:40

out, a shoulder broken, an arm

39:42

and leg paralyzed." To

39:46

personality-wise, we're not sure

39:48

what can be said about Philip. Here's

39:51

what you can say for a fact, though. This

39:54

is a guy who took

39:56

the field with his army every

39:59

single year. year of his twenty-three-year

40:01

reign except one, and the

40:03

one where he didn't, it was because he

40:06

was recovering from wounds, of

40:08

which he got several. As

40:11

Demosthenes said, he is a

40:13

guy who sacrificed multiple body parts, and

40:15

that was not any

40:17

sort of a lie. I mean, the man, by the

40:19

end of his reign, is crippled. He

40:22

loses an eye. He

40:24

has a collarbone broken. His

40:26

hand is supposedly completely mangled. He

40:29

takes a spear through his thigh,

40:31

his lower leg, both bones broken

40:33

at the same time. He

40:38

walked by the end of his life with

40:40

a pronounced limp. But

40:43

he took part in twenty-eight

40:45

campaigns, eleven sieges. Demosthenes says

40:47

he captured forty-five cities. This

40:49

is how you build an

40:51

empire, right? Or something

40:53

that's going to be an empire. And

40:57

like his son, and like Macadonian

40:59

commanders before him, he

41:01

fought in the front. These

41:04

are not Napoleonic-style commanders who

41:06

sit behind the army and

41:09

command the troops as the battle is

41:11

going on in real time, and move

41:13

forces around, and send in reserves, and

41:16

counter-march your forces to match what

41:18

the enemy is doing. These

41:20

are people who set things up in advance. They

41:23

build the military forces. They pick the commanders. They

41:26

position them on the field before the battle

41:28

starts, and then before the fighting actually commences,

41:30

they put themselves in the front rank in

41:33

a Homeric kind of style, right? A

41:36

hero king. And they command. And when you do

41:38

that and you fight twenty-eight

41:40

campaigns, you're going to

41:43

get wounded. And the number of times that

41:45

Philip's troops thought he was dead on the

41:47

battlefield is numerous. In

41:50

1977, to just take

41:53

a little break from all these, he

41:55

said, she said, kind of historical accounts

41:57

from the past and all the propaganda.

42:00

An archaeologist found

42:02

a tomb in

42:05

northern Greece, or the area where

42:07

Macadonia was during this time period,

42:09

the traditional Macadonian heartland. It

42:12

was under a mound, a hill,

42:14

a man-created hill, a tell. And

42:17

in the tomb they found multiple bodies,

42:19

but in one specific tomb around

42:23

a bunch of armor and

42:25

magnificent materials, they

42:28

found a golden box

42:31

with a Macadonian star etched

42:33

into the top, and purple

42:35

cloth, purple being the royal color. Inside

42:39

the box were bones. The

42:44

way that Macadonian royalty

42:46

was often treated

42:49

after death was what we might

42:51

call today a partial cremation. Because

42:54

unlike today's cremations, where you are left with

42:57

ashes and bone ships, very small bone ships,

43:00

in a lot of the funerals

43:02

during the time around Philip's lifespan,

43:04

it was common to have a fire that was only

43:07

hot enough to burn the skin off. And

43:09

then the bones would be taken, washed in wine,

43:11

and put in a container of

43:14

the sort that in 1977 was found in this tomb.

43:18

So you can still look at the bones and

43:20

analyze the bones. In addition

43:22

to the bones, there were things like armor.

43:25

For example, a specific sign

43:27

that maybe we're dealing with Philip II's bones

43:30

in this tomb are greaves

43:32

that were found. Greaves are the armor that

43:34

goes on the shins. And

43:37

these greaves were shaped differently. One in

43:39

particular, shorter than the other, shaped

43:42

for a person who'd suffered a bad

43:44

leg injury. And

43:46

in 77, they thought it might be

43:48

Philip II. Now, I think about 90%

43:51

of the people that are the

43:53

experts in the field would say, it's pretty close

43:55

to unanimous, but maybe not quite, would say that

43:58

this is Philip II. And what that means is

44:00

you can get some hard concrete

44:02

stuff about the guy. He

44:04

was between 5'6 and 5'8, for example, which

44:08

might seem a little short to us

44:10

today, but historians often say that that's

44:12

not that uncommon for the people

44:14

of the time period in this area. Although,

44:17

if he were a little shorter than the

44:20

average Macedonian, that

44:22

would sort of jibe with his son's

44:25

height too, who was also shorter than

44:27

the average Macedonian, so maybe Alexander got

44:29

it from his dad. The skeleton

44:32

also shows the wounds,

44:34

including the most obvious

44:37

during his lifetime that no one would have

44:39

been able to avoid the fact that an

44:41

arrow had struck him in the face and

44:44

took out an eye. Actually, it's

44:46

worse than that. It didn't take out the

44:48

eye because a physician had to scoop out

44:50

the eye with what amounted to a spoon,

44:52

and when you think of

44:55

someone doing that to you without any

44:57

sort of real anesthesia or anesthetic, it

44:59

boggles the mind to consider the amount of

45:02

pain we're talking about here. I

45:05

got that rundown of Philip's

45:07

campaign record from

45:09

historian Richard A. Gabriel, who wrote a

45:12

book called Philip II of Macazon, Greater

45:14

Than Alexander, and he ran

45:16

down how Philip's statecraft

45:20

was much more oriented

45:22

towards results than

45:24

perhaps Homeric glory

45:27

and swordplay,

45:30

and he writes, In

45:33

a very important way, however,

45:36

Philip's view of war as

45:38

distinct from personal bravery was

45:40

decidedly un-Homeric. Unlike the

45:42

Iliad's heroes, this great warrior king

45:44

who took the field every year

45:46

of his 23-year reign, save one

45:48

when he was recovering from wounds,

45:50

who took part in 28 campaigns

45:53

and 11 sieges, who captured

45:55

45 cities if one

45:57

can trust Demosthenes, and who was wounded

46:00

at least five times, never went to

46:02

war for its own sake, or only

46:04

for personal glory. For Philip,

46:07

war was first and foremost an instrument

46:09

of state policy, with which

46:12

to achieve specific strategic objectives.

46:14

It was always the continuation of

46:17

policy by other means, in the

46:19

genuine Clausewitzian sense. The

46:21

rhetorician, Paulianius, observed that, quote,

46:24

Philip achieved no less through

46:26

conversation than through battle, and

46:29

by Zeus he prided himself more on

46:31

what he acquired through words than on

46:33

what he acquired through arms. End

46:36

quote. And then Gabriel says

46:39

this Clausewitzian view of war led

46:41

Philip to become the greatest strategist of

46:43

his time. Clausewitz,

46:46

of course, is famous for saying

46:48

that war is

46:50

a continuation of politics or policies

46:53

by other means. But

46:55

for Philip II, this applied

46:57

to all sorts of things,

47:00

including marriage. Marriage

47:02

for Philip was Clausewitzian. In

47:05

this he is far from alone. After

47:08

all, royal marriages, for

47:10

diplomatic reasons, right to cement

47:12

alliances or connections between powerful

47:15

families, or to wed states

47:18

or kingdoms or locations more closely

47:20

together, isn't just common, it's

47:22

almost the norm. But

47:25

the Macedonian ruler has a huge advantage

47:27

over a lot of these other

47:29

royal families that do the same thing. I mean, after

47:31

all, if you're Henry VIII of

47:33

England and you're marrying for diplomatic reasons,

47:35

it's kind of a limitation, isn't it,

47:37

if you can just marry one wife?

47:41

Philip didn't have any sort of limitation like that

47:43

at all. One of the

47:45

things the Greeks used as evidence that

47:47

the Macedonians were barbarians is

47:49

that they were polygamous. Philip

47:51

could marry as many wives as he

47:54

wanted to to cement his

47:56

diplomatic and political goals.

48:00

he's going to have seven or eight

48:02

wives during his lifetime and have multiple

48:05

of them at the same

48:07

time. And the women that he

48:09

married are interesting characters if

48:12

the ancient sources are to be believed.

48:15

I mean, for example, he will marry an Illyrian

48:18

wife or two, and the Illyrians are

48:20

the problem children of that whole part

48:22

of the world, exceedingly

48:24

dangerous, responsible for the death

48:27

of Philip's older brother and four

48:30

thousand Macadonian soldiers right before Philip,

48:32

you know, takes the throne. So it

48:35

makes sense to marry an Illyrian princess, but

48:37

they seem to be, if the ancient sources

48:39

can be believed, quite the

48:41

handful. Supposedly,

48:43

Illyrian women could be trained

48:46

to fight in combat

48:48

as men, with swords, spears,

48:50

shield, armor, and on horseback.

48:53

And there will be a strain of

48:56

the Illyrian DNA running through the Macadonian

48:58

royal line, where mother

49:01

is supposed to continue the tradition of teaching the

49:03

daughters how to fight like this. And

49:05

it is a fascinating thing to

49:08

consider. There's a very Wonder Woman Amazonian

49:10

element to the whole thing, and it's interesting

49:12

to think of Philip marrying a woman who

49:15

could kill him in

49:17

combat. But that's

49:19

hardly the extent of

49:21

Philip marrying interesting and

49:24

potentially dangerous women.

49:26

I mean, he marries magical women, if you

49:28

believe the sources. I'm gonna say if you

49:30

believe the sources many times here, because one's

49:33

not sure what to make of them, and

49:35

remember, especially when dealing with women, they are

49:37

far from fair. I use

49:40

the term magical. Some of them might

49:42

say witches instead, and Philip

49:45

is supposed to have married at least

49:47

one of these magical princesses, maybe two.

49:52

One thing you can say is that

49:55

by the time Philip marries the woman

49:58

who will be Alexander the Great, Great's

50:00

mother, one wonders whether

50:02

or not, as a young couple, Philip

50:04

would have been in his 20s, and

50:07

Alexander the Great's mother, a woman named Olympias,

50:09

would have been in her teens. One

50:12

imagines that you could have

50:14

looked at them at a party and said,

50:16

I wonder what kind of children those two

50:18

people will produce, because one

50:21

has to look at

50:23

a teenage Olympias and

50:26

say that you can sort

50:28

of divine how formidable a

50:30

person she was, because

50:33

as a teenage girl she can

50:36

handle this guy, right? The

50:38

most formidable person of his

50:41

time, a figure

50:43

that the ancient Greeks to the south

50:45

of him had all kinds of trouble

50:47

with. You just heard, you

50:50

know, Professor Gabriel describe his qualities,

50:52

you heard Will Durant describe his

50:54

qualities, and yet this teenager from

50:57

a place called Melosia in Iparis

51:02

can handle him.

51:04

And she may have even scared him a

51:06

little. Philip

51:08

II's family claimed

51:11

a descent from Heracles,

51:13

who we would call

51:15

Hercules, right? If you recall

51:17

your Greek mythology, Heracles is

51:19

the son of Zeus, not just

51:22

a Greek god, but the king

51:24

of the Greek mythological pantheon,

51:27

right? If you're gonna claim to send it from

51:29

a god at some point in your, you

51:31

know, genetic line, why not make it the king

51:33

of the gods? Who could you possibly marry who's

51:36

gonna bring enough, you know, cachet

51:38

to the marriage to compete with

51:40

something like that? Well,

51:42

Olympias's family in Melosia

51:45

claimed descendant from the greatest hero

51:47

of the most important Greek story

51:49

to most Greeks growing up during

51:52

this time period, the Iliad. Olympias's

51:55

family claimed descent from Achilles.

52:00

which means that when they have a child together,

52:02

this family who claims descent from

52:05

Heracles and through him, Zeus, and

52:08

this other family who claims descent through

52:10

Achilles, you're going to have a

52:12

kid who mixes the blood of Zeus, Heracles

52:15

and Achilles. And

52:17

somehow the great God

52:20

Dionysus manages to get

52:22

involved in this whole affair too and

52:24

creates this fusion in the

52:27

child that they're going to have that

52:29

impacts that child's life for

52:31

its entirety. To

52:36

this day, historians still try to

52:38

argue and debate how important these three

52:40

figures were to

52:42

Alexander and like so much of his life

52:45

are trying to disentangle true contemporary

52:48

things, you know, things that were part

52:50

of his life from the

52:52

many fables and stories and

52:54

romances or just plain

52:56

bad histories that cropped up after his death.

53:00

Was he really into Achilles the

53:02

way the later sources say?

53:04

Some people say no Dionysus is

53:07

very hard to figure out. Heracles

53:09

is the least controversial since Alexander

53:11

definitely put the figure of

53:13

the hero demigod on coins

53:15

and whatnot. But there are

53:17

other historians that will make a

53:20

much more closely connected case. I mean, there's

53:22

a whole book about Alexander's connection to Dionysus

53:24

and Dionysus

53:26

is in my opinion, this is

53:28

one of those opinion comments,

53:31

but is the most interesting

53:33

and hard to get your mind around of

53:35

the Greek deities in part

53:37

because he rules over those parts of

53:39

humanity and humankind that

53:43

are themselves hard to get

53:45

one's mind around, right? The

53:47

subconscious, the hidden sides of

53:50

one's character, the psychological dark

53:52

areas. There's

53:54

a book called Alexander the Great, The Invisible

53:56

Enemy by historian John Maxwell O'Brien, and it's

53:58

all about this connection. between Alexander

54:01

and this particular god Dionysus,

54:04

and he describes Dionysus in the most

54:06

interesting of ways. Dionysus is officially the

54:08

god of wine, but wine itself is

54:11

a weird sort of a concoction

54:14

that can be both positive and

54:16

negative, which is kind of how the god can

54:18

be too. Here's how

54:21

O'Brien describes Dionysus, and he

54:23

says, quote, The god

54:25

of everything that blossomed and breathed, Dionysus

54:27

could surface in the moisture on a

54:30

rose, bellow majestically through

54:32

a raging bull, or

54:34

imperceptibly shed old skin for new in the

54:36

guise of a snake. He

54:38

was the divine patron of the theater,

54:40

with an empty mask as his emblem,

54:42

the god of a thousand faces, who

54:45

epitomized metamorphosis and could transform

54:48

mortals at will. Armed

54:50

with ecstasy and madness, this

54:53

paradoxical deity would smile at

54:55

human determination and laugh at

54:57

logic. In league with death as

55:00

well as life, his realm reached

55:02

beyond the grave to the murky

55:04

waters of the netherworld. End

55:06

quote. O'Brien

55:09

points out that Dionysus

55:11

wasn't really so much the god

55:13

of wine as he was the

55:15

wine itself, and through the drinking

55:18

of the wine, humans could

55:20

commune with the god and

55:23

all the pros and cons that

55:26

the drinking of alcohol or intoxicants,

55:28

because there are interesting theories about

55:31

the intoxicants that might have been

55:33

used as part of the

55:35

religious rights connected to Dionysus to induce

55:38

different sides of human behavior and

55:40

trances and all those kinds of

55:43

the subliminal or unconscious

55:46

sides of humanity. And

55:49

O'Brien writes quote, Dionysus

55:51

proffered himself through wine and

55:54

mortals revealed his personality as

55:56

well as their own through

55:58

drinking and drunkenness. A

56:01

number of the gods' epithets describe

56:03

his attractive attributes or praise the

56:05

benefits to be culled from his

56:07

precious gift. He is a

56:09

relaxer of the mind, a healer

56:11

of sorrow, a dispeller of

56:13

care, a provider of

56:15

joy, a merry maker, and

56:17

a lover of laughter. Other

56:20

epithets refer to his less

56:22

admirable characteristics and simultaneously serve

56:24

as a reminder of the

56:27

potential destructiveness of his earthly

56:29

agent. He is a disturber of

56:31

the soul, a mind-breaker, a

56:33

bestower of envy, a dispenser

56:35

of anger, a chaser of

56:37

sleep, a noisemaker, and a

56:40

liar. The visible effects

56:42

of the wine, O'Brien writes, unmasked

56:45

the fundamental ambivalence of the god

56:47

and revealed a kindred quality in

56:49

mortals. Wine exalted

56:52

the spirit, but it also had

56:54

the capacity to unleash primordial impulses.

56:57

Under its influence, a veneer

56:59

of sophistication might disappear abruptly,

57:02

and civility could be transformed

57:04

into uncontrollable rage. The

57:07

wine god disclosed reasons uneasy

57:09

sway over emotion and served

57:11

as a chilling reminder of

57:13

bestiality at its core." Here's

57:19

mother Olympias was a

57:21

devotee of Dionysus, an

57:24

initiate if the sources are to be

57:26

believed in the mystery cult of

57:28

the god, and it's a mystery

57:31

cult because nobody knows what goes

57:33

on in the various rites connected

57:35

to the god, although

57:37

if one believes the Greek

57:39

playwright Euripides, who was spending

57:42

time hanging out in Macadonia,

57:44

he wrote in his play the Bacchae about

57:47

it. He says that the

57:49

women met in

57:51

sacred areas just

57:53

amongst their own kind and

57:56

tore live animals to pieces and

57:58

devoured them. They

58:02

participated in magic rites, carried

58:05

wands and worshiped and

58:07

kept snakes, which

58:10

is another thing associated with

58:12

Olympias. She's supposed to

58:14

have kept snakes, maybe

58:17

even in her bedroom. And

58:21

it's long been a part

58:23

of the Alexandrian

58:25

tradition, maybe written to

58:27

make her sound just a

58:30

bit more weird and interesting that

58:32

this freaked out Philip II

58:34

of Macedonia in his wonderful classic

58:37

work on Alexander from the early

58:39

1970s. Historian Peter Green

58:41

wrote about it this way, quote, in

58:44

the autumn of three 57, Philip married

58:46

his Eparate princess and for the first time

58:48

in his life, found he had taken on

58:50

rather more than he could handle. Olympias,

58:53

though not yet 18, had

58:55

already emerged as a forceful, not

58:58

to say eccentric personality. She

59:00

was among other things, passionately

59:02

devoted to the orgiastic rights

59:04

of Dionysus and her

59:06

Menandic frenzies can scarcely have been

59:09

conducive to peaceful domestic life. One

59:12

of her more outre habits, unless, as

59:14

has been suggested, it had a ritual

59:16

origin, was keeping an assortment

59:18

of large tame snakes as pets. To

59:21

employ these creatures on religious occasions

59:24

could raise no objections, but

59:26

their intermittent appearance in Olympias' bed

59:28

must have been a hazard calculated

59:31

to put even the toughest bridegroom

59:33

off his stroke. End

59:35

quote. Now, it's

59:37

always a mistake to assume that people

59:40

from other cultures and earlier eras

59:42

would react the same way to

59:45

circumstances and stimuli that we would.

59:47

I'm just going to say that

59:49

personally, though, if I'm

59:51

laying in my bed and all of

59:53

a sudden crawling through my sheets and

59:55

on my sleeping form is a large

59:58

serpent, because that's how it's called. described in the

1:00:01

sources, that's gonna freak me out

1:00:03

a little bit. Puts

1:00:05

a whole new sort of reptilian spin on

1:00:07

the idea of love

1:00:09

me love my dog, doesn't it? But

1:00:13

I'll say this about Peter Green in

1:00:15

1970. He's a lot fairer to

1:00:17

Olympias than the ancient sources or even

1:00:19

the early modern ones. I mean the 1920s

1:00:21

is one of those eras where there's

1:00:23

a lot of writing about Philip and Alexander and

1:00:25

Olympias and the writers

1:00:27

and historians from that era are

1:00:29

just as harsh, maybe more

1:00:32

so, on Alexander's mother

1:00:34

and Philip's wife than even

1:00:36

the ancients. I mean listen to

1:00:38

the way science fiction author but also

1:00:41

popular historian H.G. Wells describes Philip's

1:00:43

wife Olympias and

1:00:46

you get this sense that she's practically

1:00:48

demonic and he first

1:00:51

extols all the wondrous qualities of

1:00:53

Philip II, right? Very

1:00:56

similar I would say to the way

1:00:58

Professor Gabriel describes Philip, right? Greater than

1:01:00

Alexander. If not for Philip there is

1:01:02

no Alexander but he has this tragic

1:01:04

flaw. He's joined, you know,

1:01:07

like a ball and chain to

1:01:10

a dangerous demonic force

1:01:13

who eventually destroys

1:01:16

him and

1:01:18

limits Alexander's ability to be as great as

1:01:20

his father. Here's the way H.G. Wells

1:01:23

describes Alexander's mother

1:01:26

and Philip's wife Olympias

1:01:28

and see if she doesn't sound very

1:01:31

much like something, you know,

1:01:33

out of a dark horror movie. Wells

1:01:36

writes, quote, It

1:01:38

is necessary now to tell something of

1:01:40

the domestic life of King Philip. The

1:01:43

lives of both Philip and his

1:01:45

son were pervaded by the personality

1:01:47

of a restless and evil woman,

1:01:49

Olympias, the mother of Alexander. He

1:01:53

then talks about how Philip

1:01:55

and she were married and then says,

1:01:57

quote, It was not long

1:01:59

before Olympias and Philip were bitterly

1:02:01

estranged. She was jealous of him,

1:02:04

but there was another engraver source of

1:02:06

trouble in her passion for religious mysteries.

1:02:09

We've already noted that beneath the

1:02:11

fine and restrained Nordic religion of

1:02:13

the Greeks, the land abounded with

1:02:15

religious cults of a darker and

1:02:18

more ancient kind, aboriginal

1:02:20

cults with secret initiations,

1:02:22

or geastic celebrations, and

1:02:24

often with cruel and

1:02:26

obscure rites. These

1:02:29

religions of the shadows, he writes,

1:02:31

these practices of the women and

1:02:33

peasants and slaves, gave Greece

1:02:35

her orphic, Dionysic, and Demeter cults,

1:02:37

and they've lurked in the tradition

1:02:40

of Europe down almost to our

1:02:42

own times. The witchcraft

1:02:44

of the Middle Ages, with

1:02:46

its resort to the blood

1:02:48

of babes, scraps of executed

1:02:50

criminals, incantations, and magic circles,

1:02:53

seems to have been little else than

1:02:55

the lingering vestiges of these solemnities of

1:02:57

the dark whites. In these

1:02:59

matters, Olympias was an expert and

1:03:01

an enthusiast, and Plutarch

1:03:04

mentions that she achieved considerable

1:03:06

celebrity by use of tame

1:03:08

serpents in these pious exercises.

1:03:11

The snakes invaded her domestic apartments,

1:03:14

and history is not clear whether

1:03:16

Philip found in them matter for

1:03:18

exasperation or religious awe. These

1:03:21

occupations of his wife must have

1:03:23

been a serious inconvenience to Philip,

1:03:25

for the Macedonian people were still

1:03:28

in the sturdy stage of social

1:03:30

development, in which neither enthusiastic religiosity

1:03:32

nor uncontrollable wives

1:03:35

was admired." So,

1:03:39

according to Wells and a lot of

1:03:42

other people writing in the 1920s,

1:03:44

Alexander's father is one of the great men in

1:03:46

history, his mother's a witch. Neither

1:03:50

of those things matters very

1:03:52

much, if not for the

1:03:54

creation of the tool that leads to

1:03:56

the fame of both of

1:03:59

those people. and their child,

1:04:02

the military Maserati that Philip

1:04:04

II will create, the

1:04:06

Macadonian army. The

1:04:10

Macadonian army, by the way, is

1:04:12

arguably the most important part of this story. I

1:04:15

mean, you can make a case that

1:04:17

without that, none of the sorts

1:04:20

of things that get Philip II,

1:04:22

and more importantly, his son Alexander in

1:04:24

the history books, happens. I

1:04:26

mean, it's the tool that

1:04:28

creates all the opportunities for conquest,

1:04:31

right? In

1:04:34

my head, I always try to switch the

1:04:37

battles around and imagine Alexander, instead

1:04:39

of commanding what is

1:04:41

almost certainly the best army in the world

1:04:44

at the time period he's commanding it, probably

1:04:46

the best army the world had ever seen.

1:04:48

I try to imagine Alexander having

1:04:50

to switch sides with the general

1:04:53

he's fighting, right? Why don't you

1:04:55

give Darius the Macadonians and you

1:04:57

take the Persians in this big

1:04:59

battle and let's see how that

1:05:01

goes. Might have gone fine. Alexander

1:05:03

probably, you know, really good general

1:05:05

knows what he's doing, but I mean, he was

1:05:08

fighting with the best army in the world when

1:05:10

he did what he did. And

1:05:12

so it seems like the real important

1:05:16

decisive moment in the history of this

1:05:18

story is Philip creating this

1:05:21

amazing army.

1:05:23

Because Philip made the Macadonian

1:05:25

army and then conversely, it's safe to say

1:05:28

that the Macadonian army made Philip. Where

1:05:32

the heck did he get the idea for it? Well,

1:05:35

we should talk a little bit about

1:05:38

the Macadonian army, Philip's influences, and

1:05:40

even kind of more important ancient

1:05:43

warfare and how it worked and what

1:05:45

we know and what we don't know.

1:05:48

Because trying to figure out how the

1:05:50

army that Philip created worked is in

1:05:52

itself a speculative kind of an affair,

1:05:54

which is weird when you think about

1:05:57

it. First

1:06:01

of all, let's just talk about what he made.

1:06:03

The Macedonian army, I can't...it's

1:06:07

like a boxer who's never lost.

1:06:10

And then you try to imagine what it would

1:06:12

have taken to beat them, right? Whereas

1:06:14

if you have a fighter that has lost, even

1:06:16

once, you can say, well, you know, we saw

1:06:19

how Buster Douglas broke him down. That's the strategy

1:06:21

for, you know, beating this guy. And

1:06:24

the army, at least under Alexander, is

1:06:26

basically undefeated. Every sort

1:06:28

of mental scenario

1:06:31

that you envision is

1:06:33

a fantasy. So

1:06:36

the army was that good. Now remember,

1:06:38

the entire world is not connected during

1:06:41

this time period. So armies from far-flung

1:06:43

areas generally didn't fight each other,

1:06:45

right? So the great armies of China in

1:06:47

this same era are not fighting the Macedonians.

1:06:49

So we just don't have a comparison when

1:06:52

we say the Macedonians were the best in

1:06:54

the world. Well, they didn't fight the Chinese.

1:06:57

And of course, no one in the Americas was

1:06:59

fighting anyone from outside the Americas, so we don't

1:07:01

know how they would have done. But

1:07:04

I'm just going to say if we're betting and

1:07:06

we're having the Macedonians fight any of

1:07:08

those contemporary armies from anywhere in the

1:07:10

world, I'm taking the Macedonians because they're

1:07:12

undefeated, basically. And

1:07:15

what Philip does is invent a style

1:07:17

of warfare that is going to become

1:07:19

the Cadillac style of

1:07:21

warfare in the entire region for like 175 years. For

1:07:25

the next almost 200 years, if you're going to

1:07:27

have a top-flight army in the Mediterranean, you're

1:07:30

going to have a Pyke Phalanx, probably.

1:07:35

And when in a couple of centuries the Romans and

1:07:38

their mannipled legions throw

1:07:40

the Phalanxes on the ash

1:07:42

heap of history, it's worth

1:07:44

questioning whether they were even

1:07:46

fighting the same sort

1:07:48

of army that Alexander and

1:07:51

Philip had developed at all. A lot

1:07:53

of evolution and changes and adaptations and

1:07:55

maybe even de-evolution going

1:07:58

on in the Andrian

1:08:00

system of fighting over the 175 years it was

1:08:02

dominant. But

1:08:06

Philip develops a troop type that

1:08:09

makes all the difference in the world. And he

1:08:11

develops the Pyke Phalanx. It's

1:08:14

interesting to think about one guy developing this

1:08:17

because normally weapon systems are cultural in the

1:08:19

ancient world. They develop as a part of

1:08:21

what's going on in society. And a lot

1:08:23

of people fight connected to the

1:08:26

land and the kind of enemies they face

1:08:28

and the terrain and all sorts of things.

1:08:32

I mean who invented the hoplite right? Sometime

1:08:35

in the 700s maybe BCE

1:08:37

the hoplite just sort of appears in a bunch

1:08:39

of places. There's nobody you can say that guy

1:08:41

came up with the idea. But

1:08:44

Philip invented the Pyke Phalanx. And

1:08:47

the Macadonian Pyke Phalanx is kind of a hoplite

1:08:50

killing machine. He

1:08:52

takes the best parts of

1:08:54

the hoplite phalanxes and so the super

1:08:57

charges them in a way that makes

1:08:59

them better hoplite phalanxes. He

1:09:03

gives them a much longer spear.

1:09:06

He packs the human beings even

1:09:10

more closely together. He

1:09:12

makes the formation deeper. So

1:09:15

if you have a bunch of hoplites probably

1:09:17

about 8 ranks deep, sometimes 4, sometimes 12,

1:09:20

but usually about 8 ranks deep with

1:09:22

their 7 to 9 foot spears smash

1:09:25

into a 16 rank Pyke Phalanx

1:09:29

with 16 to 23 foot spears. Well

1:09:35

you can see how one is almost built to

1:09:38

overcome the other. A lot of advantages than

1:09:40

the Pyke Phalanx. So

1:09:42

if this is the key thing that Philip

1:09:44

invents, because we'll talk about the rest of

1:09:46

the army in a bit, but if

1:09:49

this is the key thing Philip invents, where

1:09:51

did he get the idea for this? If

1:09:54

this is the moment of development that's going to

1:09:56

impact everything he does, Alexander does

1:09:58

and a bunch of armies. for 175 years

1:10:01

do, where did the guy come

1:10:03

up with it? Was it just he dreamt it? And

1:10:06

so, you know, you can start down

1:10:08

this path of imagine, of imagining where

1:10:10

Philip, Incorporated, you know, brainstorm

1:10:13

kinds of material, Diodorus Siculus, ancient

1:10:15

historian, says that one of the

1:10:17

things that gave Philip the idea

1:10:19

for these pike phalanxes was

1:10:21

the Iliad. And

1:10:24

I find this fascinating to think about, because if

1:10:26

it's true, let's just play with this for a

1:10:28

minute. If it's true, and it is true, the

1:10:30

Iliad was a huge book in Macadonian society. I'm

1:10:33

sure everyone, Philip Alexander, all those people would have

1:10:35

read it, Alexander supposed to have memorized it. And

1:10:37

why not? He's supposed to be

1:10:39

descended from Achilles takes a lot of pride in being

1:10:41

descended from Achilles. Well, you know,

1:10:43

Achilles is the lead superhero in

1:10:46

the, you know, ancient version of

1:10:48

a mass movie blockbuster, you know,

1:10:51

the Iliad, that's, that's the Achilles story, right? So you're

1:10:53

going to know that story backwards and forwards. In fact,

1:10:56

you know, there's a lot of historians who will

1:10:58

call Macadonian society during

1:11:00

this time period Homeric, meaning

1:11:03

it kind of has a Homeric value system

1:11:05

and all that maybe even Alexander's desire to

1:11:08

be the best, right, this ambition, this

1:11:10

thing at the core of his ambition,

1:11:12

that may be a Homeric value. But

1:11:16

it's so weird to think about because, and

1:11:18

of course, it reminds me of a Star

1:11:20

Trek episode original series, the one

1:11:22

where a very imitative society on another

1:11:24

planet got a hold of

1:11:26

an Earth book, a history book that was

1:11:29

left behind by an earlier Earth expedition. And

1:11:31

the history book was the history of the

1:11:33

gangster wars in Chicago, you know, in the

1:11:35

prohibition 1920s. And then they

1:11:39

modeled their whole society on it, so

1:11:41

that when the Earth ships come back

1:11:43

a while later, the entire planet looks

1:11:45

like, you know, Al Capone, and guys

1:11:47

walking around with submachine guns and talking

1:11:49

like, you know, gangster era Chicago. It's

1:11:52

a little like, if this is true,

1:11:54

you just imagine Macadonian society with their one

1:11:56

book, and they model their whole society on

1:11:59

the value of a people that

1:12:02

if they existed, existed in

1:12:04

the late Bronze Age. If

1:12:07

there was a Trojan war of the

1:12:10

kind that the Iliad talks about, it

1:12:12

happened in like 1100 BCE, somewhere around

1:12:14

there. And then

1:12:16

people would have talked about it, and oral

1:12:18

historians would have transmitted the tale for hundreds

1:12:21

of years before a guy or group of

1:12:23

people, we don't know, that we

1:12:25

call Homer, consolidated all that

1:12:27

into sort of a written form that

1:12:30

could then be passed down for hundreds of

1:12:32

years more. So by the time a guy

1:12:35

like Alexander or Philip II is reading it,

1:12:37

this is material that's been written down for

1:12:40

like 500 years. And

1:12:44

when it was finally written down,

1:12:46

it had already been transmitted orally

1:12:49

for three or four centuries before

1:12:51

then. So

1:12:54

if Philip II really gets

1:12:56

this idea for Pike Phalanxes

1:12:59

from reading about the Achaeans in the

1:13:01

Trojan War, using block formations

1:13:03

of troops with very long spears,

1:13:06

that's wild to me. And

1:13:09

the fact that this formation then

1:13:11

goes on to dominate the battlefields

1:13:13

from Philip's time forward for

1:13:15

almost another 200 more years. Well,

1:13:18

if you really got that idea from the

1:13:20

echoes of the late

1:13:23

Bronze Age, I'd love to

1:13:25

think that was true. I'm going to pretend that

1:13:27

that story is true. There

1:13:30

are some more logical candidates,

1:13:32

though. How about the Athenian

1:13:34

general Efricrates and his famous reforms?

1:13:37

You ancient history military

1:13:40

nerds out there know that Efricrates

1:13:42

is one of these guys who

1:13:44

sort of looked at the traditional

1:13:46

hoplite heavy infantry and decided

1:13:48

they'd be better if they weren't so heavy. He

1:13:51

lightens them up, gives them a small wicker

1:13:53

shield instead of the big heavy wood one,

1:13:57

lighter equipment, less armor, gives them

1:13:59

some Jadlands to throw also.

1:14:01

They become a much more flexible force

1:14:04

on the battlefield, much more useful,

1:14:07

maybe not as good if you

1:14:09

get him into a slogging match with the

1:14:11

old-fashioned Hoplites, but probably better at

1:14:13

everything else. Oh yeah, and this

1:14:15

is maybe how it really

1:14:18

plays into Philip, supposedly doubles the

1:14:20

length of their spear. So if

1:14:23

a Hoplite spear is seven to nine feet,

1:14:25

you know, he's rocking more of a 14 to 18

1:14:29

foot spear on his Hoplite

1:14:31

Peltast mix, can we call

1:14:33

them? And it's interesting

1:14:36

to imagine what that might actually mean, you know,

1:14:38

if you're one of these guys facing a Hoplite and all

1:14:41

of a sudden your spear is twice as long as theirs.

1:14:43

I mean, trying to imagine how

1:14:45

you might use it is interesting, but you

1:14:47

can certainly see some advantages in your being

1:14:49

able to stab them and they

1:14:52

not being able to stab you back, can't you?

1:14:54

And a

1:14:56

Fricrates, by the way, was active in

1:14:58

Macedonia right around this time period. So

1:15:00

there's hardly one degree of separation involved.

1:15:02

So he certainly could be an influence

1:15:04

on where the heck Philip gets this

1:15:06

idea to create this new

1:15:09

thing on the battlefield, which

1:15:11

becomes dominant, like this great

1:15:14

idea. And then of course, the

1:15:16

odds on favorite for big influence

1:15:18

on Philip that you read just

1:15:20

about everywhere is what

1:15:23

he learned during his time as a

1:15:25

hostage when he was a teenager in

1:15:27

Thebes. This

1:15:29

is always shown in the

1:15:31

sources to be an important part

1:15:34

of Philip's development because, well, how could it

1:15:36

not rub off on him? Basically, he was

1:15:38

staying in the house, I guess, of a

1:15:40

noted Theban general. And according

1:15:43

to some of the ancient sources, he has access

1:15:45

to this general's library and he's being encouraged to

1:15:47

read up on all the latest knowledge

1:15:50

of cutting edge Greek warfare. And

1:15:52

he was probably interacting and

1:15:54

certainly very close to Epaminondas, the

1:15:57

Theban general, the guy often given credit for

1:15:59

the things like, oh, I don't know, smashing

1:16:02

Spartan power in a way that it was

1:16:04

never the same again, stuff

1:16:07

like that, maybe the greatest Greek

1:16:09

general of all time. So Philip's interacting with a

1:16:11

guy like that during the time period

1:16:13

when Thebes is sitting on top of the world for

1:16:15

a relatively short period of

1:16:17

time in the hierarchy

1:16:20

of Greek city states. Right. Once you smash

1:16:22

Sparta, you're kind of left as the big

1:16:24

dog. And Epeminandus famously

1:16:27

defeated the Spartans at Luchtra in 371 BCE

1:16:29

by breaking all the rules. And that's

1:16:34

how you beat the Spartans. The

1:16:38

kind of things that he did to break all the

1:16:40

rules. Once they work, everybody

1:16:42

adopts them, but somebody's got to be

1:16:44

the visionary that decides to roll the

1:16:46

dice and really take a

1:16:48

chance and try some new things on the

1:16:50

battlefield. And that's what Epeminandus did. And of

1:16:53

course, you know, by defeating the

1:16:55

Spartans, he basically hit the jackpot, right? He

1:16:57

rolled the right roll on the dice when

1:16:59

he rolled them. But

1:17:01

what makes his bet so gutsy

1:17:05

is that in the ancient world, the

1:17:09

punishments for having your

1:17:11

innovation fail are massive.

1:17:15

Nowadays, of course, we're accustomed to making

1:17:17

constant updates and changes in warfare, new

1:17:19

equipment, new tactics, new approaches, you know,

1:17:21

new technologies, all kinds of things involved.

1:17:23

So that even over the course of

1:17:25

a short war, we can expect to

1:17:27

see all sorts of innovations and changes

1:17:30

and whatnot. But this

1:17:32

is a relatively modern development.

1:17:34

And it's connected to the opportunity

1:17:37

costs and the dangers of

1:17:39

innovations going sideways on you.

1:17:42

So if you look at the First World War, which is one

1:17:44

of these wars that you really is the first time you can

1:17:46

look and you can just watch technology, having

1:17:49

a leap frogging effect as the war

1:17:51

goes on as sides, you know, continually

1:17:53

try to out improve and out invent

1:17:55

one another, you see it in the

1:17:57

air war in the First World War, for example, where Every

1:18:00

six months, either the allies or

1:18:02

the central powers create

1:18:04

some new engine or airframe or way

1:18:06

of fighting or weapon or something that

1:18:08

allows them to get the jump on

1:18:11

the other side for like six months

1:18:13

until a new invention or innovation on

1:18:15

the other side flips the coin. You

1:18:19

can see new technology and ways of fighting introduced

1:18:21

all throughout that war. Look how the British introduced

1:18:23

tanks. Built them up in secret

1:18:25

for a while. And then finally in one battle, they

1:18:27

throw out enough of them to make a difference and

1:18:29

they sort of see what happens. And

1:18:32

when it's not war changing, and they really

1:18:34

didn't expect it to be war changing in

1:18:36

that battle, they then sit down and

1:18:38

figure out, okay, how did it go? That was a good

1:18:40

experiment. What can we do different next time? You know, what

1:18:43

worked, what didn't work? But it doesn't

1:18:45

lose you the war. And

1:18:47

that's the difference. In the First World War,

1:18:49

you can try these things out and the

1:18:51

failure for your innovation not working isn't

1:18:54

enormous. Whereas in the

1:18:56

ancient world where most wars are decided

1:18:58

with one or two battles, having

1:19:01

your innovation go sideways and costing you

1:19:03

the battle could easily cost you the

1:19:05

war. So the penalty for failure is

1:19:07

huge and the incentives to be conservative

1:19:10

are overriding. So when a guy like

1:19:12

Epaminondas throws the dice on something like

1:19:14

breaking all the rules of Greek warfare,

1:19:17

you've got to admire his moxie. But

1:19:20

that's how you beat the Spartans, right? So for

1:19:22

those who don't know, and it's only important to

1:19:24

know because a lot of what Epaminondas does after

1:19:26

he breaks the rules are gonna be the kind

1:19:29

of thing Philip incorporates into his

1:19:31

way of fighting, right? The

1:19:34

first rule of Epaminondas breaks has to do

1:19:36

with something, you know, I'm

1:19:38

going off on tangents on tangents now,

1:19:40

but has something to do with the

1:19:42

way human beings fight when they get

1:19:44

on a pre-modern battlefield, especially in these

1:19:46

hoplite, close formation type deals. And

1:19:49

it's a fascinating part of what I like to call

1:19:51

the physics of the ancient battlefield. But

1:19:53

because this happens, there are certain

1:19:57

conventions of Greek fighting

1:20:00

were in place before Pemminanda. So we have to

1:20:02

talk about what's going on in the battlefield. Did

1:20:04

you know, because it's kind of interesting, that

1:20:07

when you get two lines

1:20:09

of hoplites facing off against one

1:20:11

another, if we try to

1:20:13

imagine what this would look like visibly from the

1:20:15

air, think about railroad tracks. And

1:20:17

you have the two tracks facing each other.

1:20:20

Those are the lines of hoplites on both

1:20:22

sides and an intervening space between them. And

1:20:24

at some point when a battle happens, one

1:20:26

or both of those lines of hoplites crosses

1:20:28

the intervening space and starts bashing into the

1:20:30

other one. But

1:20:33

what's interesting is when you get a bunch of men, you

1:20:36

know, in long lines, maybe 100, maybe 200, maybe

1:20:39

300 yards long, four, eight,

1:20:41

maybe 12 ranks deep, when

1:20:44

they're all lined up shoulder to shoulder with a spear

1:20:46

in the right hand and a shield in the left

1:20:48

hand, did you know that

1:20:50

the formation drifts to the right and

1:20:53

it's so reliable, the Greeks count

1:20:56

on it? Imagine

1:20:59

a ripple going through the entire 100 to 300 yard line of men

1:21:01

as everybody just

1:21:04

sort of scooches a little bit to the right.

1:21:06

You say, well, what's going on? Well, the sources

1:21:08

indicate that men in these sorts of

1:21:12

situations, either while they're standing there, waiting to

1:21:14

advance or while the advance is happening or

1:21:17

both tend to move a little to the

1:21:19

right because to the right is where the shield of the

1:21:21

guy next to them is. And

1:21:26

they are almost unconsciously or

1:21:28

maybe consciously trying to scooch

1:21:30

over just a little bit more behind the

1:21:32

protection of the guy next to them. And

1:21:35

when everybody does that along the whole line, the

1:21:37

whole line moves to the right. And

1:21:41

if your whole line is moving to the right and

1:21:44

the enemy you're facing's whole line is

1:21:46

moving to their right, then your lines

1:21:48

are moving sort of out of alignment

1:21:50

with each other and going to overlap

1:21:53

on each side. So

1:21:56

what these armies did in an

1:21:59

attempt to control what was going on on

1:22:01

their right and to have the troops that

1:22:04

were the least likely to be prone to

1:22:06

this drift on the right, you

1:22:08

put your best troops on the right. And

1:22:11

this became almost a Greek convention and the

1:22:13

sources will say things like, make

1:22:15

it clear that the right wing is expected

1:22:17

to be victorious and the left wings of

1:22:20

both armies expected to kind of lose. And

1:22:22

that was just the way it was until

1:22:24

the Pemenondis didn't do it that way.

1:22:29

At Luchtra he put his best

1:22:31

troops on the left. That's

1:22:34

a violation, you just don't do that.

1:22:37

He put his best troops up against

1:22:39

the Spartans best troops, the

1:22:41

guys who made the Spartan reputation,

1:22:43

the Spartiates. There

1:22:45

were 700 of them at Luchtra and

1:22:48

a Spartan king. During

1:22:51

this time period any of you Spartan

1:22:54

fans know that the Spartans were having

1:22:56

issues keeping up with the number of

1:22:58

Spartiates that they would normally want and

1:23:01

the culture in the society and a bunch

1:23:03

of trends were making Spartiates rarer and rarer.

1:23:05

So when you have 700 of

1:23:08

them at the Battle of Luchtra you have

1:23:10

an irreplaceable number of Spartiates. If

1:23:13

Pemenondis wanted to kill as

1:23:15

many of those as he could, so

1:23:18

he created the head of

1:23:20

the sledgehammer at

1:23:22

Luchtra aimed right at those

1:23:24

people. That's

1:23:27

the best way to envision what if

1:23:29

Pemenondis' army looked like. The Spartans

1:23:31

looked like a long row, like

1:23:33

a railroad track, like we said,

1:23:35

of you know eight to

1:23:37

twelve rank deep hop lights, right? So

1:23:40

a long line of those people, hundreds

1:23:42

of yards long. The

1:23:44

Thebans looked more like a sledgehammer. The

1:23:47

head of the sledgehammer was made up of

1:23:50

the one professional force the Thebans were known

1:23:52

to have in their infantry, the famous Sacred

1:23:54

Band, 300 strong

1:23:57

professionals, some of the sources.

1:24:00

indicate maybe homosexual lover pairs

1:24:02

that were devoted to each

1:24:04

other. That'll improve your unit

1:24:06

cohesion maybe. But

1:24:08

they were joined by

1:24:10

a block of troops. Wait

1:24:13

for it. 50 ranks

1:24:15

deep. Now the Thebans

1:24:17

were known to fight deeper than

1:24:19

most other Greek city states

1:24:21

traditionally, but in this

1:24:23

battle, the Pemmon on this goes

1:24:26

wild, makes the formation 50

1:24:28

ranks deep. He's going to

1:24:31

face off against a Spartan hoplite force. That's

1:24:33

probably about 12 ranks deep. So think about

1:24:35

the difference. If we're talking about the

1:24:38

physics of human, you

1:24:40

know, mass and movement and weight and depth

1:24:42

and all that stuff, the difference between a

1:24:45

50 rank closed

1:24:47

formation running into a 12 rank closed

1:24:49

formation. Now, if

1:24:51

Pemmon is deciding to do this though, means

1:24:54

he has to weaken the rest of his

1:24:56

army, right? Where do those 50 deep

1:24:59

units take from? Right? You pull from the rest

1:25:01

of the lines, the rest of the lines significantly

1:25:04

weaker. It's like the handle

1:25:06

of the sledgehammer. Well, if

1:25:09

you're worried about weakening part of your

1:25:11

line, cause you don't want those troops

1:25:13

to get smashed and run away. If

1:25:15

Pemmon on this does something unusual, he

1:25:17

angles that whole area away

1:25:19

from the enemy. So imagine the

1:25:22

sledgehammer head is right up against the

1:25:24

Spartans. They want to smash, but

1:25:26

the handle of the sledgehammer

1:25:28

is diagonally away from the

1:25:30

rest of the enemy army.

1:25:33

So theoretically,

1:25:36

the sledgehammer head could

1:25:38

destroy the dangerous

1:25:41

Spartans before the rest

1:25:43

of the Theban line even came into contact

1:25:45

with the troops across the way from them.

1:25:48

And that's what happened at Lutra. The

1:25:51

sledgehammer head of the Thebans ran

1:25:54

into the Spartans killed

1:25:56

400 of the 700 irreplaceable

1:25:59

Spartans. and the Spartan

1:26:02

King. And when the rest of

1:26:04

the Spartan armies saw what happened to those

1:26:06

guys, the superheroes of

1:26:08

the battlefield, they decided they wanted nothing

1:26:10

to do with the rest of the

1:26:12

Thebans and that was the Battle at

1:26:14

Luchtra. But

1:26:17

by changing certain key

1:26:19

conventions of how people fought, Epaminondas

1:26:21

was able to destroy Spartan

1:26:23

power and he would do it again, at

1:26:26

Mantonie, he'd lose his life there. But

1:26:29

the entire affair involved things

1:26:32

that would be a staple of Macedonian

1:26:34

warfare, things like the oblique order of

1:26:36

battle and refused flanks, which were the

1:26:38

things where Epaminondas was angling the rest

1:26:41

of his army away from his enemies.

1:26:45

That oblique order of battle will be a constant

1:26:47

in Macedonian warfare and of course, if

1:26:50

Philip is hanging out with a Theban general

1:26:52

with access to his library and making maybe

1:26:54

some cocktail parties with the Pamanunas,

1:26:56

this is the kind of stuff he might absorb. About

1:27:00

the time Philip becomes king though, and around

1:27:02

the time he's marrying Olympias, that

1:27:04

seems to be the time period where if he

1:27:07

was going to create a new military system, that's

1:27:09

when it was going to start. And

1:27:13

it might be an ongoing process, but

1:27:16

by having these Phalangites,

1:27:18

these pike phalanx troops,

1:27:21

to act as a solid core

1:27:23

for his army in the middle

1:27:25

of his battle line, he's addressed

1:27:27

the real weakness of the Macedonian

1:27:29

armies that existed before him. They

1:27:31

never had a sort of a

1:27:33

hoplite, heavy infantry element to the

1:27:35

army. The army had great

1:27:37

cavalry, they were called the companion cavalry,

1:27:41

maybe the best cavalry in the world,

1:27:43

arguably, at this time period. And

1:27:45

it was great, but it was all they had.

1:27:47

So when Philip comes to the throne,

1:27:49

he gets that, the wonderful Macedonian cavalry

1:27:51

and then creates the missing element that

1:27:53

allows them to defeat people like Greek

1:27:55

hoplites. He creates the phalanx and then

1:27:57

he adds all sorts of other his

1:28:00

army. He's

1:28:02

often credited with the first European Combined

1:28:04

Arms Force, although one can

1:28:06

make a case that that was also a

1:28:08

Pemminundus's development, but to this

1:28:11

Macadonian cavalry that's great and

1:28:13

the Macadonian phalanx that's a missing

1:28:15

ingredient, he adds mercenaries for example.

1:28:19

Extra important during this time period where he's,

1:28:21

you know, introducing these military reforms because you

1:28:24

need some professionals, you know, to handle the

1:28:26

load and keep you from getting overrun with

1:28:29

Illyrians and Peyoneans and Thracians. In

1:28:31

the meantime, he

1:28:34

also starts employing large numbers of allies.

1:28:36

I mean the Thasalian cavalry

1:28:38

is going to be absolutely vital in

1:28:40

the army of Alexander. It starts fighting

1:28:42

with Philip at a certain point, uses

1:28:45

a lot of Thracians, employs light troops

1:28:47

and skirmishers, which is, you

1:28:49

know, something that's been the development going on

1:28:51

in Greece for the past several

1:28:54

decades. Increasing importance and new

1:28:57

ways to use them. I mean there was a

1:28:59

Spartan unit that was destroyed by light

1:29:02

troops, you know, in recent

1:29:04

memories. So all these sorts of elements allow

1:29:07

Philip to create an army that is more

1:29:09

tactically flexible depending on what you're facing. He's got

1:29:11

the troops for the job. If you're

1:29:13

facing someone that wants to smash right into you and

1:29:16

punch you in the mouth, he's got great troops to punch

1:29:18

you back. If you don't want to

1:29:20

punch those people in the mouth because you don't want

1:29:22

to get that close to them because they scare you

1:29:24

and you're gonna try to stay away at a distance

1:29:26

and throw things at them and then evade their charge.

1:29:28

Philip has troops to get you too. You want

1:29:31

to fight in bad terrain? Philip's got the troops for

1:29:33

that. Got his specialist corps,

1:29:35

his agranians, people from the highlands. Think

1:29:37

about like, you know, Gurkhas or something

1:29:39

in the time period. He'll wheedle you

1:29:42

out of the bad terrain and if

1:29:44

you hide behind the walls of your

1:29:46

city, he and Alexander are going to

1:29:48

bring the first really

1:29:50

awesome siege

1:29:53

troops in Greek history. All the times when

1:29:55

you hide yourself behind the walls in Greece,

1:29:58

the enemy army just ravages your face. fields

1:30:00

and lutes and, and pillages and then leaves,

1:30:02

or maybe surrounds you and tries to wait

1:30:04

you out. Phillip and Alexander go through your

1:30:06

walls and they come and get you. And

1:30:09

that changes things too. I

1:30:13

mean, there are going to be years in

1:30:15

Phillips timeline where he'll

1:30:17

take three Greek city-states in a

1:30:19

year. That's like warp

1:30:21

speed. I mean, famously the

1:30:24

Trojans were able to withstand a 10

1:30:26

year siege in the Llyat, right? And if

1:30:29

that's a little long, maybe by most

1:30:31

historical standards, uh, Philip

1:30:34

taking three towns in a year is

1:30:36

crazy short, crazy quick, changes

1:30:38

the entire equation between, you know,

1:30:41

the reliance that a town or a city

1:30:44

state would have on its walls and fortifications

1:30:46

to keep the bad guys out. And

1:30:49

part of what makes all this possible is

1:30:52

more of these people that Philip is

1:30:54

using in his army or professionals, they're

1:30:57

specialists, they're engineers and more and more of

1:30:59

his army's getting paid. The

1:31:02

mercenaries obviously get paid right away, but he's

1:31:04

starting to pay the guys in

1:31:06

the Pike-Fehlencks eventually. And he's capturing, I

1:31:08

love this part about, you know, ancient

1:31:10

economics could be so interesting sometimes when

1:31:12

he needs money, he goes out there

1:31:14

and takes silver and gold mines

1:31:16

from other people, like takes it from the

1:31:19

Thracians, for example, a couple of famous mines.

1:31:21

And then all of a sudden the money,

1:31:23

which comes right out of the earth, like

1:31:25

an ATM machine goes right into his hands.

1:31:28

I was reading one historian that said that neither Philip

1:31:31

nor Alexander for that matter, um, were

1:31:34

anything like economists and

1:31:36

they had a sort of a pirate mentality

1:31:38

when it came to cash. Uh,

1:31:41

when you needed more cash, you just

1:31:43

took something, right? I mean, you racked

1:31:45

up credit card debt, maxed out all

1:31:47

of the, you know, credit lines.

1:31:49

And then when you conquered some new territory,

1:31:51

you paid off the credit cards and you

1:31:54

know, got right with the bank and started all

1:31:56

over again. One

1:31:59

thing you can say about. the way Philip used

1:32:01

this army though is that it was just one

1:32:04

of his many tools and if you compare

1:32:06

him to his son Alexander

1:32:08

is going to be a lot more

1:32:10

high-handed than Philip. You know it's

1:32:12

my way or the highway I'm going to tell

1:32:14

you what to do how dare you you know

1:32:16

try to negotiate or get me to haggle whereas

1:32:19

probably because he had to Philip

1:32:22

is a lot more clever and

1:32:24

sneaky he'll stab you in

1:32:27

the back and then he'll give you a

1:32:29

good deal when he doesn't have to later

1:32:31

I mean he's he's working every sort of

1:32:34

slick clever angle and

1:32:37

one might suggest because he has to he's

1:32:40

paying off people I mean I love

1:32:42

the way again Peter Green describes this

1:32:45

because not only is he utilizing all

1:32:47

these tools but he's spent enough

1:32:49

time now in one of these Greek city-state's

1:32:51

Thebes to get a look at

1:32:53

how their government functions and compare it to how

1:32:55

his government functions right he's a king he can

1:32:58

do certain things that they can't do

1:33:01

in these governments where politics is a

1:33:03

thing and you've got different factions vying

1:33:05

for leadership and well we can sort

1:33:07

of relate today to how you

1:33:10

might be a little inefficient with

1:33:12

the way you conduct long-term policy

1:33:14

in a representative system something

1:33:16

a you know autocratic system might not

1:33:18

have to worry about and Green

1:33:21

points out that Philip noticed this as

1:33:23

a weakness that he could exploit right

1:33:26

away and Green writes quote Philip's

1:33:29

training for power was proceeding

1:33:31

along useful if unorthodox lines

1:33:34

his experience as a member of

1:33:36

the macadonian royal household had given

1:33:38

him an understandably cynical view of

1:33:40

human nature in this

1:33:42

world murder adultery and usurpation

1:33:45

were commonplace as liable to

1:33:47

be practiced by one's own

1:33:49

mother as by anyone else

1:33:51

in later life Green writes Philip

1:33:54

took it as axiomatic that all

1:33:56

diplomacy was based on self-interest and

1:33:58

every man had At his price,

1:34:01

events seldom proved him wrong. In

1:34:04

Thebes, he saw, too, the

1:34:06

besetting weaknesses of a democratic

1:34:08

city-state, constant party intrigue,

1:34:11

lack of a strong executive

1:34:13

power, the inability to

1:34:15

force quick decisions, the unpredictable

1:34:18

vagaries of the assembly at voting

1:34:20

time, the system of

1:34:22

annual elections which made any

1:34:24

serious long-term planning almost impossible,

1:34:27

the amateur ad hoc military

1:34:29

levies. For the

1:34:31

first time, Green writes, he

1:34:34

began to understand how Macedonia's

1:34:36

outdated institutions, so despised

1:34:38

by the rest of Greece, might

1:34:40

prove a source of strength when dealing

1:34:42

with such opponents. Throughout

1:34:45

his life he gained his greatest

1:34:47

advances by exploiting human cupidity and

1:34:50

democratic incompetence, most

1:34:52

often at the same time." Thebes

1:34:57

willingness to throw bribe money all

1:35:00

over the place, in large amounts, seems

1:35:03

to almost tie directly into

1:35:05

one of the tragic flaws

1:35:07

of the Greek city-state experience

1:35:09

during this time, and that's

1:35:12

that bribes were really effective.

1:35:16

The ancient historian Diodorus is

1:35:18

supposedly quoting Philip as

1:35:21

saying that the expansion of

1:35:23

his kingdom owed far more to money than

1:35:26

to arms, and then Diodorus

1:35:28

later picks up the story and just talks

1:35:30

about how the bribes

1:35:32

by Philip completely undercut

1:35:35

any sort of Greek attempt

1:35:38

at unity or a united

1:35:40

front against this Darth Vader in

1:35:42

the north exerting more and

1:35:45

more pressure on the freedom of the Greek city-states.

1:35:47

He says, yeah, but he comes calling with a

1:35:49

big wad of cash. What are

1:35:51

you going to do? This writes, quote,

1:35:54

Nevertheless, there was such a crop of

1:35:56

traders, so to speak, at that time

1:35:58

in Greece, that It was impossible for

1:36:01

Athens to check the impulse of

1:36:03

members of the Greek cities towards

1:36:05

treachery. There was a

1:36:07

story that once, Diodorus writes, when

1:36:09

Philip wanted to take a particularly

1:36:11

well-fortified city, and one of the

1:36:13

locals claimed that the place was

1:36:15

impregnable, he, meaning

1:36:17

Philip, responded by asking whether

1:36:19

the walls were unscalable by

1:36:22

cash. Experience

1:36:24

had taught him that anything that could

1:36:26

not be subdued by force of

1:36:28

arms could be overcome by gold,

1:36:30

so by using bribery to make

1:36:32

sure that he had traitors inside

1:36:34

the cities, and by calling those

1:36:37

who took his money his guest

1:36:39

friends and familiars, he corrupted

1:36:41

men's morals with this pernicious

1:36:43

form of diplomacy." One

1:36:47

of the historians that I was reading called Philip

1:36:50

a warrior diplomat, which I think is

1:36:53

a great term, very descriptive, a

1:36:55

good rundown of the things Philip brought to

1:36:58

the table, but I would add one more

1:37:00

term, warrior diplomat fixer, because

1:37:03

in my mind I envision him showing

1:37:05

up to these negotiations and these diplomatic

1:37:07

affairs, you know, dressed in full military

1:37:10

regalia, armed to the teeth, right? We

1:37:12

can do it that way if that's how you want to play it.

1:37:16

But also with a lawyer in tow, right?

1:37:18

With a notary public and basically ready to

1:37:20

negotiate some deal, right? Sign on the dotted

1:37:22

line, my lawyer, notarize it and we're good

1:37:24

to go. No one has

1:37:27

to die. But

1:37:29

if you're just the kind of person that

1:37:31

would rather not have anything so obviously signed,

1:37:33

sealed and delivered, just like a briefcase full

1:37:35

of cash, well, Philip can do it that

1:37:38

way too. What's that

1:37:40

old line that Malcolm X is supposed to

1:37:42

have uttered, right? By any means necessary. That's

1:37:44

how I kind of see Philip II. By

1:37:47

any means necessary, he's going

1:37:49

to achieve his goals. The

1:37:51

question of what those goals were

1:37:54

and how farsighted Philip

1:37:56

was in seeing those outcomes

1:38:00

Well, that's a debatable point, right? That's the kind of thing

1:38:02

that doesn't come down to us from the sources all

1:38:05

these centuries later. There's a couple

1:38:07

of ways you could look at it though. Philip

1:38:10

could be a master opportunist, somebody

1:38:12

who seizes unexpected occurrences

1:38:15

when they happen and becomes the

1:38:17

beneficiary of them. Some domino,

1:38:19

some unexpected domino tumbles, and Philip's right

1:38:21

there, Johnny on the spot to be

1:38:23

the one who benefits, and he's got

1:38:25

some advantages in that regard. We

1:38:28

mentioned already that the form of government gives

1:38:30

him an advantage, right? These other Greek states

1:38:32

have to sit here in debate and have

1:38:34

politics come into it, and people

1:38:36

try to convince the public to go along with one of

1:38:38

them. I mean, Philip doesn't have to do any of that.

1:38:40

He just orders it. He's

1:38:42

also got a professional military by this time,

1:38:44

which means it's basically standing ready to go,

1:38:47

whereas if Thebes decides they want to go

1:38:49

somewhere, or Athens does, they've got to

1:38:52

get the guys to grab their spears

1:38:54

and their armor and their shields and get

1:38:56

out to the fields and start to muster

1:38:58

the forces. I mean, by the time they

1:39:00

get their act together, you know, Philip's moved

1:39:02

already. He's occupied the key

1:39:04

strategic point. He sees the opportunity,

1:39:06

whatever it is. So he's particularly

1:39:08

set up to be a beneficiary

1:39:11

of opportunism, if that's how it goes.

1:39:15

But another way of looking at it is that

1:39:17

Philip is the guy who creates these opportunities, he's

1:39:21

a chess master here setting up a

1:39:23

checkmate down the road, and each one

1:39:25

of these miles stones that he achieves

1:39:28

is one more connect the dots toward

1:39:30

the ultimate goal. Now do opportunities that

1:39:32

are unexpected happen? And does he seize

1:39:34

them? Absolutely. But you

1:39:36

can expect to have opportunities develop

1:39:38

without knowing explicitly what they are.

1:39:42

And this sense, then Philip is a master

1:39:44

strategist, setting up the kinds of

1:39:46

an outcome that he wants and

1:39:49

every step of the way, pursuing that goal

1:39:51

relentlessly. One of the things he obviously does

1:39:54

is keep the major powers in Greece

1:39:56

from uniting against him. problem

1:40:00

with Athens since he pretty much took

1:40:02

over the throne. Athens and

1:40:04

Thebes are the key most powerful Greek

1:40:06

city-states. He keeps a close connection

1:40:09

to Thebes, right? A sort of an alliance with

1:40:11

Thebes keeps Athens and Thebes from

1:40:13

realizing that they have more of an

1:40:15

interest in preventing him from gaining

1:40:18

any more power and being any more of a

1:40:20

threat to them and keeps them focused on, you

1:40:22

know, fighting the Third Sacred War and all these

1:40:24

other things. And this is a time period where

1:40:27

Greece famously will bleed itself

1:40:29

of treasure and

1:40:31

human beings in these many wars that they fight

1:40:34

with each other, making

1:40:36

them all the weaker

1:40:38

when the final, you know,

1:40:40

Darth Vader versus the Republic conflict

1:40:44

happens. And

1:40:46

it's very interesting too because it depends

1:40:49

on how you want to view this

1:40:51

thing, but the Greeks portray this entire

1:40:53

eventual showdown with Philip as

1:40:55

Greek liberty against, you know, someone

1:40:57

coming to snuff it out. But

1:41:01

at this point in time the

1:41:03

Greeks can't focus on their collective liberty. They're

1:41:05

too busy fighting one another and that's working

1:41:07

exactly the way Philip II would have wanted

1:41:09

it to. Whether he meant to do it

1:41:12

that way or whether it just is a

1:41:14

happy coincidence. One

1:41:17

thing you can say about Philip is

1:41:19

that he's out there in the field

1:41:21

working tirelessly to make this stuff happen

1:41:24

and giving up, you know, the

1:41:26

use of major body parts along the way.

1:41:28

I mean he's the ultimate road dog. What

1:41:31

did we say? There was one year where he wasn't out in the

1:41:33

field and he may have been recovering, you know,

1:41:36

from some terrible injury inflicted upon him

1:41:38

by some enemy. But

1:41:41

while he's on the road in 356

1:41:46

BCE, so a year after he marries Olympias

1:41:48

and maybe only a year or two after

1:41:50

he actually takes over as

1:41:53

the king of Macedonia, he

1:41:55

gets some good news while on the road.

1:41:57

Traditionally three pieces of good news. The

1:42:00

first piece of good news is that his

1:42:02

general, Parmenio, has defeated the Illyrians, which is

1:42:04

always a good thing. The

1:42:06

second piece of good news he supposedly gets at

1:42:09

the same time is that his horse has won

1:42:11

in the Olympic Games in a competition. And

1:42:14

this has a deeper meaning than the way it might sound.

1:42:16

The fact that a Macedonian king

1:42:18

is allowed to take part

1:42:20

in the Olympic Games is a sign

1:42:22

that the Macedonians had met the qualifications,

1:42:24

the minimum qualifications, to be considered as

1:42:27

Greeks, which would have been a big deal

1:42:29

to Philip. Then finally the

1:42:31

third piece of news, not necessarily in

1:42:33

the order of importance, but

1:42:36

that Olympias has borne Philip a

1:42:38

son, officially

1:42:40

named Alexander the third, but we

1:42:42

know him as Alexander the Great.

1:42:46

Now there are some

1:42:48

things that have gone on, at

1:42:51

least that's what sources hundreds of

1:42:53

years later say, that would have

1:42:55

clued any soothsayer

1:42:58

or oracle

1:43:01

worth their salt that this was going to happen.

1:43:05

You don't have these great figures born in history without

1:43:07

a lot of signs from the heavens, and

1:43:09

they're out there according to people like Plutarch.

1:43:14

Plutarch says that Olympias has

1:43:16

a dream of lightning striking

1:43:19

her womb, Philip has a

1:43:21

dream that her womb is sealed up

1:43:23

with a seal with

1:43:25

an imprint of a lion on it. Philip

1:43:29

also supposedly according to Plutarch looks

1:43:31

through a crack in

1:43:33

the wall or the equivalent of a keyhole

1:43:35

with one eye and spies

1:43:37

Olympias cavorting with a

1:43:40

god perhaps in snake form. And

1:43:43

then of course there's a temple

1:43:45

that burns down because supposedly

1:43:48

the goddess wasn't there to protect her own

1:43:50

temple. She had to be there for Alexander's

1:43:52

birth. Here's the way Plutarch, hundreds of years

1:43:54

later, writes about this stuff. For

1:43:56

example, he talks about the marriage.

1:44:00

summation between Philip and Olympias,

1:44:03

and then Olympias's dream that

1:44:05

happens right afterwards, and Plutarch

1:44:07

says, quote, The

1:44:11

night before the consummation of their

1:44:13

marriage, she, meaning Olympias, dreamed that

1:44:16

a thunderbolt fell upon her body,

1:44:18

which kindled a great fire, whose

1:44:21

divided flames dispersed themselves all about,

1:44:23

and then were extinguished. And

1:44:26

Philip, Plutarch writes, sometime after he

1:44:28

was married, dreamt that he

1:44:30

sealed up his wife's body with a seal, whose

1:44:33

impression, as he fancied, was the figure

1:44:35

of a lion. Some

1:44:37

of the diviners interpreted this as a

1:44:39

warning to Philip to look narrowly to

1:44:41

his wife. That means,

1:44:43

watch your wife, man. But ere

1:44:46

a stander of Telmosis, considering how unusual

1:44:48

it was to seal up anything that

1:44:50

was empty, assured him the meaning

1:44:52

of his dream was that the queen was

1:44:54

with child, of a boy, who would one

1:44:56

day prove as stout and courageous as a

1:44:58

lion. Once, moreover,

1:45:00

Plutarch writes, a serpent

1:45:02

was found lying by Olympias as she

1:45:05

slept, which more than anything else it

1:45:07

is said, abated Philip's passion

1:45:09

for her, whether he feared her

1:45:11

as an enchantress, or thought she

1:45:13

had commerce with some god, and

1:45:15

so looked on himself as excluded.

1:45:18

He was ever after less fond of her

1:45:20

conversation." Commerce

1:45:23

with a god means fooling around with a

1:45:25

god, and if you know Zeus' history, by

1:45:27

the way, he's always fooling around with mortal

1:45:29

women. So you know, if

1:45:32

he showed up in snake form or Dionysus

1:45:34

did or something like that, well, that's just

1:45:36

in keeping with those gods' characters, right? They

1:45:39

get around. But

1:45:41

apparently, Philip saw some of

1:45:43

this, according to Plutarch,

1:45:46

and you get punished for spying on a god

1:45:48

having sex with your wife, I'm just saying, and

1:45:50

Plutarch says, quote, Philip, after

1:45:53

this vision, sent Charon of

1:45:55

Megalopolis to consult the Oracle of Apollo

1:45:57

at Delphi, by which he was commanded

1:45:59

to perform sacrifice, and

1:46:02

henceforth pay particular honor above

1:46:04

all other gods to

1:46:06

Ammon, who is also known as Zeus, and

1:46:09

was told that he should one day lose

1:46:11

that eye with which he presumed to peep

1:46:13

through that chink of the door when he

1:46:15

saw the god under the form of the

1:46:18

serpent in the company of his wife." End

1:46:20

quote. Well,

1:46:23

he did lose the eye about a year, maybe

1:46:26

two years later in a siege. So

1:46:28

there you go. That's what you get for spying

1:46:31

on Zeus or whomever in

1:46:34

snake form with your wife. What were you thinking?

1:46:37

And then, of course, the story of

1:46:40

the temple of Diana

1:46:42

at Ephesus burnt down, and Plutarch

1:46:45

says, quote, "'The temple,'

1:46:47

he says, "'took fire, and was

1:46:49

burnt while its mistress, the goddess,

1:46:52

was absent, assisting at the birth

1:46:54

of Alexander, and all the

1:46:56

eastern soothsayers who happened to be then

1:46:58

at Ephesus, looking upon the ruin of

1:47:01

this temple, to be the forerunners of

1:47:03

some other calamity, ran about

1:47:05

the town, beating their faces and

1:47:07

crying that this day had brought

1:47:09

forth something that would prove fatal

1:47:11

and destructive to all of Asia.'"

1:47:15

End quote. Famous

1:47:18

queens who dream their womb is struck by

1:47:20

lightning, which then shoots out of their genitals

1:47:22

and catches parts of the room on fire.

1:47:26

Maybe the greatest, or one of

1:47:28

the greatest kings of ancient Europe, seemingly

1:47:32

looking through a keyhole-type

1:47:35

crevice in the door and seeing his wife cavorting

1:47:37

with snakes and going to an oracle and being

1:47:39

told, you're going to lose that eye for spying

1:47:41

on the God. The

1:47:43

verifiable fact of the temple

1:47:46

of Artemis, or Diana, as the Romans would

1:47:48

have known her, is being

1:47:51

destroyed around the time of Alexander's birth, but then

1:47:53

human beings being what they are noticing

1:47:55

that there really are no coincidences and doesn't

1:47:57

it just make sense that

1:47:59

the The only real story that explains how this temple

1:48:01

could be burned down, right? The home of a god?

1:48:04

Is it the god wasn't there? And where the heck

1:48:06

would the god be? Well, you know, that's

1:48:08

right around the time Alexander was being

1:48:10

born. Folks, this is the sort of

1:48:12

stuff that those of

1:48:14

us who love ancient history, this

1:48:17

is what we love about it, right? This

1:48:20

is a place in your legitimate history books, right? I

1:48:22

mean, if it's a history from the beginning of time

1:48:24

to now, you're going to have, you know, the founding

1:48:26

of the UN and the Second World War and all

1:48:28

these things near the end of the book, but you

1:48:30

keep going backwards and the

1:48:32

ratio of facts to myth

1:48:35

sort of changes. Maybe that's a good way to put

1:48:37

it. Ancient

1:48:40

history is where facts and

1:48:42

historical data and archaeological discoveries

1:48:45

intersect with things like legend

1:48:49

and myth. Maybe the proper

1:48:51

word here is lore, right? There

1:48:54

is lore in your legitimate history books. The farther

1:48:56

back you go, the more of it you get.

1:48:58

It's a little like blended wine, right? Where you

1:49:00

go and you get out 60% Cabernet and it's

1:49:02

40% Merlot. Well

1:49:04

by the time we get to the Second World War, you're probably at

1:49:07

80 20, right? 80%

1:49:09

facts, 20%, you know, myth, misinformation, whatever you

1:49:11

want to say. The farther back you go

1:49:13

in history, the more that ratio changes in

1:49:15

lores favor. And

1:49:18

the interesting thing about the lore

1:49:21

part is that while it

1:49:23

is not true, you can still learn

1:49:25

a lot by studying it, can't you?

1:49:28

It's like that line that Pierre Breant used. It was

1:49:30

a Leo Ferrer quote or whatever where

1:49:33

he said, even if it's not true, you

1:49:35

have to believe in ancient history. We use

1:49:37

that line before, but it's just so wonderful

1:49:39

because in your legitimate history book,

1:49:42

right, based on facts and archaeological discoveries and

1:49:44

written by historians and experts and PhDs, you're

1:49:46

going to have these stories about Alexander if

1:49:48

it's a detailed enough book. Are

1:49:51

they real or are they stories? At a certain

1:49:53

point, it doesn't matter because that

1:49:55

is a part of the lore

1:49:57

of Alexander, which affects a

1:49:59

lot of people. lot of people later. It's like

1:50:02

we say about magic. Magic may not be real, but

1:50:04

if people believe it's real and act on it as

1:50:06

though it's real, it has real-world effects,

1:50:08

right? Well, so does this lore stuff.

1:50:11

Take two examples. Example number

1:50:13

one, when Alexander's dead and

1:50:15

gone, his giant empire that we all know,

1:50:18

right? It's not a spoiler alert to say

1:50:20

he's gonna conquer a lot of territory. His

1:50:22

generals are gonna rip up all that territory

1:50:24

and take off huge chunks for themselves and

1:50:26

start dynasties where they're the first king and

1:50:29

then they have tons of descendants after them.

1:50:31

Their claim to

1:50:34

legitimacy rests on

1:50:36

Alexander, right? And the

1:50:38

more Alexander is deified, the more it seems

1:50:40

like you have the stamp of approval of

1:50:42

the very highest authority that he should have

1:50:45

conquered the world and that you should have

1:50:47

had your piece of it afterwards, right? So

1:50:50

it serves a political purpose,

1:50:52

a Machiavellian political purpose of legitimacy and

1:50:54

tying yourself, you know, maybe through a

1:50:56

degree or two of separation to a

1:50:59

deity somewhere. I mean, the closer you

1:51:01

are to Alexander, the better it is

1:51:03

for you and the greater Alexander is,

1:51:05

ditto. And

1:51:08

number two point here is that some

1:51:10

of this misinformation or some of this

1:51:12

legend creation or some of this lore

1:51:15

may originally have come from a

1:51:17

ground zero level from Alexander himself.

1:51:21

Alexander took propagandists and chroniclers and

1:51:23

all these kinds of people with

1:51:25

him while he did everything he's

1:51:27

famous for. And they're not just cataloging

1:51:30

what happened, they are

1:51:32

putting the most pro-Alexandrian

1:51:34

spin on it while

1:51:36

doing so. It's propaganda coming

1:51:38

from the source. Alexander wasn't just

1:51:40

trying, you know, we're gonna find

1:51:42

out more about this side of him as we go,

1:51:45

right? This is a guy playing for

1:51:47

the long historical game. Of

1:51:49

course he's concerned about his own time period

1:51:52

and how people in the

1:51:54

world he's operating in will view

1:51:56

his propaganda. But this is a

1:51:58

guy writing his name. in

1:52:01

a more pronounced big graffiti form on

1:52:03

your history books and he's concerned about

1:52:05

how you're gonna see him. He's writing

1:52:07

some of this propaganda for you and

1:52:10

for me, which is crazy.

1:52:12

And the way we get it is like

1:52:15

third-hand, right? Because if Alexander's pushing this propaganda

1:52:17

in his own time and people writing close

1:52:19

after his own time use it in their

1:52:21

history books and then the guys we're using

1:52:23

from 400 years later because

1:52:25

they're our earliest source, they're using

1:52:27

books based on, I mean you

1:52:29

follow the chain of data or

1:52:31

misinformation. Some of this stuff may

1:52:33

extend all the way back to Alexander and the people

1:52:36

that worked for him originally.

1:52:38

And so the point is that that's how

1:52:41

by studying the lore, which may not even

1:52:43

be true and maybe probably isn't true, you

1:52:46

still maybe get closer to elements of

1:52:48

the truth in an oblique kind of

1:52:50

way. I understand

1:52:53

why people who love the Second World War and the

1:52:55

First World War and the 20th century stuff where there's

1:52:57

so many documents to look at and you can compare

1:52:59

and contrast different accounts. I mean I can understand why

1:53:01

it'd be hard for them to maybe

1:53:04

get their mind around this, right?

1:53:06

Because they don't have a whole lot of prophecy

1:53:09

going on in their story

1:53:11

or oracles or

1:53:13

you know snakes that are really

1:53:15

gods, you know having sex with the wife

1:53:17

of historical kings. I mean I get it. You

1:53:20

don't like a lot of King Arthur in your, you

1:53:22

know, Battle of Okinawa

1:53:25

story. But that's precisely what

1:53:27

those of us who love ancient history love about it

1:53:29

is that you know by the time you

1:53:31

get back to Alexander's time your 60% Cabernet, 40% Merlot split

1:53:34

is more like a 60% lore, 40% facts split. And the

1:53:42

fact that this Alexander story is so

1:53:44

well known and has influenced people ever since,

1:53:48

the stories that we can't prove are true

1:53:50

and maybe think are false are still stories

1:53:52

that have to be included in the legitimate

1:53:54

history book which is crazy. You

1:53:58

have to tell the story of the

1:54:01

lightning bolt on Alexander's

1:54:03

mom and this I mean all this

1:54:05

is history it's crazy cuz it's lore

1:54:07

right it's it's Tolkien-esque and

1:54:10

the reason this matters to where we are in

1:54:12

the story right now is because when you look

1:54:14

at the few stories you have about Alexander the

1:54:16

Great growing up right young Alexander they

1:54:19

all sound like part of this lore most

1:54:22

of it is geared towards showing

1:54:24

that you know the signs were all

1:54:26

there as Alexander grew up that he was gonna be

1:54:28

this amazing figure so they're all sort of looking

1:54:31

back with prophecy predicting

1:54:35

the future after it happened that kind of thing for

1:54:39

example there's the story of Alexander at

1:54:41

like seven years old talking

1:54:44

to the Persian ambassadors that show up

1:54:46

in Phillips Court and

1:54:48

contrasting you know the story contrasts how

1:54:50

a normal seven-year-old might question a Persian

1:54:52

diplomat you know saying things like tell

1:54:54

me about the wealth of the king

1:54:56

of Persia tell me about the great

1:54:58

king and Alexander is asking instead for

1:55:00

distances between where they are and the

1:55:02

Persian capital and what is the condition

1:55:04

of the roads and

1:55:06

the morale of the Persian army and

1:55:10

you know it's seven years old I'm

1:55:12

not saying it's impossible I might have done that not because

1:55:14

I'm Alexander but because I was goofy at that age and

1:55:16

that's the kind of stuff I don't wanted to know nonetheless

1:55:19

you turn back on it and look at it from

1:55:22

you know later and you go wow boy you could just

1:55:24

see this Alexander was cut out for greatness can't you and

1:55:26

a bunch of the stories are kind of like that and

1:55:30

the vast majority of these stories

1:55:32

about Alexander's youth come from Plutarch

1:55:34

anyway so you're kind of relying

1:55:36

on an almost single source for some of this

1:55:39

stuff he's a wonderful

1:55:41

lesson by the way Plutarch or Greek

1:55:43

who wrote in the Roman imperial era

1:55:45

he's a wonderful lesson about

1:55:47

how sometimes especially when you go into

1:55:49

ancient history these sources dwindled

1:55:51

down to almost nothing

1:55:53

and sometimes you're you have certain historical

1:55:56

facts resting upon a single

1:55:58

work sometimes I mean Plutarch one of

1:56:00

these weird sorts of accounts

1:56:02

where you don't have a bunch of stuff

1:56:04

to compare and contrast it to. You can't

1:56:06

measure Plutarch's accuracy on some of

1:56:08

these subjects that he talks about next to some

1:56:11

of his contemporaries because we really don't have them.

1:56:15

We do have other people that write about Alexander,

1:56:17

but they usually talk about politics and his

1:56:19

campaigns and his conquests and all that kind

1:56:21

of stuff. Plutarch's like a screenwriter for A&E's

1:56:23

biography. He's interested in different things. He's

1:56:26

the guy that'll go up to a family member, you know, an

1:56:28

aunt or something and say, tell me that

1:56:30

story again about when Alexander was seven years

1:56:33

old and he interrogated the Persian

1:56:35

diplomat and asked him about, you know, the condition

1:56:37

of morale of the Persian army. Those are the

1:56:39

kind of facts that Plutarch liked and because of

1:56:41

that he's our main

1:56:43

source for a bunch of this

1:56:45

stuff. The famous Alexander stories growing

1:56:48

up, like the one about taming

1:56:50

the untameable horse that became his

1:56:52

horse, Bucephalus. That's another one of

1:56:54

those Plutarch stories. The

1:56:58

good news is there's a lot written on Plutarch and a lot

1:57:00

of scholarly work on dissecting his writings,

1:57:03

but you know Plutarch was a guy who was

1:57:06

supposed to be an Alexander expert, lived

1:57:08

hundreds of years after Alexander, but he's an expert. He's a

1:57:10

fan and he's read all the documents

1:57:12

in the library and he probably had access

1:57:14

to first-hand stuff, memoirs

1:57:17

of people who campaigned with Alexander, stuff like

1:57:19

that. So he's kind of a facts launderer or

1:57:23

a data launderer for us today.

1:57:25

We are getting first-hand accounts

1:57:27

filtered through him, but he's got a purpose

1:57:29

and he's pretty open about it. He's

1:57:32

a fan of Alexander. He seems to

1:57:34

live, I was reading something about the time period in which

1:57:36

he was writing, he seems to live in an era where

1:57:38

the Roman attitude toward Alexander and

1:57:41

that attitude changes over time.

1:57:43

Right? Alexander will be a

1:57:46

popular philosopher king type figure in one era

1:57:48

and then a bad guy in another and

1:57:50

it goes back and forth and Plutarch lives

1:57:52

in an era where most Romans are looking

1:57:55

at Alexander maybe as not a

1:57:57

figure to be emulated. Write an example of some of

1:57:59

the the downsides of

1:58:01

power and corruption and ambition and all that. And Plutarch

1:58:03

might have been writing sort of a counterpoint to that.

1:58:05

Well, let me you know, I'm an Alexander expert, let

1:58:07

me highlight some stories from his life that shows you

1:58:09

he's not the kind of guy you think he is.

1:58:13

And he freely said that he had all these stories to

1:58:15

choose from knowing Alexander as well as he didn't use them

1:58:18

to sort of, you know, paint a picture of a different

1:58:20

sort of guy than much of

1:58:22

his contemporaries thought of

1:58:24

as Alexander. So we're getting maybe

1:58:26

a very positive view of the

1:58:28

guy. Because

1:58:31

Plutarch is one of those

1:58:33

rare sources, though, his importance

1:58:35

is inordinately exalted, which means

1:58:38

his positive view of Alexander often

1:58:40

becomes our sort of default starting

1:58:43

position as we're assessing the guy.

1:58:46

We have a mildly positive view of him starting

1:58:48

out and that's probably due to Plutarch. And

1:58:51

some people get, you know, as

1:58:54

they say, kissed by Plutarch as

1:58:56

a historians treatment. And some people

1:58:58

get screwed poor Olympias doesn't come

1:59:00

off nicely under the pen of

1:59:02

Plutarch. And

1:59:06

you can't tell if that's just because she

1:59:09

suffers from the way women are often

1:59:11

treated in ancient history, not very well.

1:59:14

Or because Plutarch himself didn't like

1:59:16

uppity powerful women and she was

1:59:18

all that. Or

1:59:21

because she actually was this

1:59:23

kind of person. And unlike

1:59:26

a bunch of these sort of

1:59:28

legendary queen figures, Olympias, you know,

1:59:31

veers between the lore and the facts

1:59:33

part of history. So there are things

1:59:35

that you can say with reasonable certainty

1:59:37

that she did. And once

1:59:39

you hear about the things that she with

1:59:41

reasonable certainty did, well, then nothing's off the

1:59:44

table. She'll do those things. She'll do anything

1:59:46

she's accused of. And

1:59:50

she plays into this story in a

1:59:52

way that most women in ancient history

1:59:54

don't Alexander's got two incredible parents. This

1:59:57

is where you sort of see Olympias

1:59:59

coming to the story big because Philip's

2:00:01

gone. What did we say? He's a road

2:00:04

dog. He's out making the family

2:00:06

fortune, taking

2:00:08

city after city on a campaign every year,

2:00:11

coming back a little worse for wear every

2:00:13

time, but not a lot of time at

2:00:15

home, which means Alexander's with mom and with

2:00:17

mom's people. And

2:00:20

this is where I, when I try to immerse myself in

2:00:22

the story, I have to remember Alexander's

2:00:24

only half-Makadonian. And

2:00:27

when it really counts as who he's spending

2:00:29

his time with as a young man, and

2:00:31

this is, this is traditional. I was reading

2:00:33

and growing up when you're a Macadonian, when

2:00:35

you're a kid, five, six, seven, you spent

2:00:37

a lot of time around mom, that's normal,

2:00:39

but Alexander's mom and the people around her

2:00:41

are not Macadonian either. And

2:00:44

I love the way that where

2:00:47

they're from sort of is seen by

2:00:49

the Macadonians. Everybody in all of these

2:00:51

neighborhoods, right? Has their stereotypes about other

2:00:53

regions. The Greeks have their stereotypes about

2:00:56

Macadonia. The Greeks and the Macadonians

2:00:58

both have their stereotypes about

2:01:00

these areas that are now, you know,

2:01:02

around the modern nation of Albania

2:01:04

up in that area. And this

2:01:06

is where Alexander's mother's kin come

2:01:08

from. The Milosians, the descendants

2:01:11

of Achilles supposedly, right? These

2:01:13

wild people, sort

2:01:16

of witchy, sort of scary. And

2:01:18

I was reading some good historians who

2:01:20

were pointing out that you can tell how

2:01:23

different Alexander is with the way

2:01:25

he associates with his mother's side of the family,

2:01:27

because normally the society Alexander's a

2:01:29

part of really pays attention to the father's

2:01:32

bloodline. That's the one that

2:01:34

really matters. But Alexander's an exception to this, and

2:01:37

it comes up all the time, this Achilles connection

2:01:40

and all these other things. I mean, there's Alexander's

2:01:42

connection to his mom's side of the family's unusual.

2:01:47

And his relationship to his mom might be too. As

2:01:51

we've said before, and we'll say again, Alexander

2:01:54

is multitudes. He's been seen so many

2:01:56

different ways that, you know, you can

2:01:58

pick and choose the very. aspects

2:02:01

of the story if you want to go into psychologically

2:02:04

breaking down this guy's character or

2:02:06

anything. For example, there's one tradition

2:02:09

of Alexander as sort of the

2:02:12

term that they used to use was mama's boy. It outdated

2:02:15

what would you say that's from like the 1920s or the 1930s. He's

2:02:17

a mama's boy. Well, the old line

2:02:21

when I was growing up

2:02:23

was Alexander a mama's boy.

2:02:25

And there's one strand of idea

2:02:28

out there that he kind of was that he

2:02:30

has this weird relationship with his mother which

2:02:33

as we said we know something about

2:02:35

because she's going to be a powerful person

2:02:37

and after Alexander's off conquering the world

2:02:39

he's writing letters back and forth and

2:02:41

she's a player in the

2:02:44

power structure of macadonia often sort of

2:02:46

in a tug-of-war with murderous

2:02:49

experience professional generals. I mean she's

2:02:51

a fabulously interesting person and you

2:02:53

can tell she has one of

2:02:55

these personalities that just she's

2:02:58

a very strong person. She won't be denied.

2:03:01

She's not going to stay in the background. She's

2:03:05

going to be proactive in some cases and

2:03:07

this is the part of the story where

2:03:10

you know Philip is obviously this august person.

2:03:12

He's doing all these historical things. You don't

2:03:14

even have to be told that he must

2:03:17

have been this interesting intense human being. But

2:03:19

this is the part of the Alexander

2:03:22

story where you get to see the contribution

2:03:25

of his mother to the whole genetic makeup

2:03:27

here. She

2:03:30

is herself an intense

2:03:32

interesting person and under

2:03:34

Plutarch's pen malevolent

2:03:37

interesting person very dangerous.

2:03:40

I mean the internal

2:03:42

family structure of a

2:03:44

macadonia royal family we said earlier there's

2:03:46

a mafia style feel to some of

2:03:48

this and a survival of the fittest

2:03:50

sort of feel to it and

2:03:53

Philip has all these wives right and what did we

2:03:55

say Olympias is third fourth or fifth depends on what

2:03:57

you read she's in the middle there one of those

2:04:00

wives, which means there are more, I mean,

2:04:02

calling it sister wives probably makes it sound

2:04:04

more Mormon than it really was, but what

2:04:06

do you what do you describe the intense

2:04:09

relationship, both competition and otherwise, that all

2:04:11

these wives are gonna have with each

2:04:13

other, right? They're all married to the

2:04:15

same guy, they're all capable of producing

2:04:18

an heir to that guy, and

2:04:20

then your heir will be

2:04:22

in competition with the heir of one of

2:04:25

your, you know, fellow wives. I mean, it's

2:04:27

an absolute hornet's

2:04:29

nest of danger

2:04:32

for all these people, and normally

2:04:34

you would think to yourself, okay,

2:04:36

Alexander, if you look at

2:04:38

his life during this time period, is already being set

2:04:40

up to be Philip's successor. I

2:04:43

mean, the wheels are already greased,

2:04:45

he's ready to go, and you're looking and you're

2:04:47

going, well, wait a minute, that doesn't seem very

2:04:50

macadonian. Where's the, you

2:04:52

know, alternative candidates to

2:04:54

the throne? Where's the threat of

2:04:56

assassination or rebellion or, I mean,

2:04:58

civil war? How come Alexander's so

2:05:00

obviously chosen to be the successor

2:05:03

here? Why is he the

2:05:05

prince in waiting? Well, it's a

2:05:07

good question and it involves Olympias a little

2:05:09

bit, maybe. Alexander has

2:05:11

a brother, round about his

2:05:13

own age, maybe a little older, known

2:05:15

to history as Eridaeus, sometimes called Philip

2:05:17

Eridaeus. You

2:05:20

would think that this figure

2:05:22

would provide a threat, a competitor

2:05:24

to Alexander, someone else who might

2:05:27

be eligible to take over from

2:05:29

Philip after Philip's gone someday, or

2:05:31

at the next king. Eridaeus

2:05:34

is the son of a different

2:05:37

one of Philip II's wives, and

2:05:40

interestingly enough, according to

2:05:42

Plutarch, she is

2:05:44

another magical wife. Philip seemed to have

2:05:47

a thing for magical women, and

2:05:50

Olympias is just one of

2:05:52

the magical women he married. He's either

2:05:54

marrying magical women or like Amazons

2:05:56

from Wonder Woman, these women

2:05:59

who fight with so much power. and spear. So

2:06:01

those are his types. If he has a type,

2:06:03

he either wants you to be an Enchantress or,

2:06:05

you know, an Amazon. In this

2:06:08

case, Aridaius' mother is another one

2:06:10

of these Enchantresses, we're told, and

2:06:12

she's using her defensive spells to

2:06:14

try to protect Aridaius from

2:06:17

Olympias. But

2:06:20

it seems like Olympias gets him anyway,

2:06:23

because there's something wrong with Philip

2:06:25

Aridaius. He's

2:06:28

not a genetic competitor against

2:06:30

Alexander as a potential candidate

2:06:32

for the throne, because

2:06:35

he clearly isn't up to that kind

2:06:37

of job. Something's wrong with Philip Aridaius

2:06:40

and the historians. They

2:06:43

don't disagree. Nobody knows what was wrong with

2:06:45

him. It seems he had some sort of

2:06:48

mental disability. One

2:06:50

of the ancient sources, and maybe Plutarch also

2:06:52

said something to the effect of when he

2:06:54

was all grown up, he was still like

2:06:56

a child. Plutarch

2:06:59

makes it sound like this guy didn't

2:07:02

start out this way. Perfectly

2:07:04

normal child, gifted,

2:07:06

was going to be just fine, and

2:07:08

then somewhere in his

2:07:10

early life, his mental health

2:07:12

goes sideways. And

2:07:14

Plutarch says it's because of Olympias,

2:07:18

that she practices something. The

2:07:20

Greek word is related to

2:07:23

pharmacology or pharmacy, but it

2:07:25

could mean potions, drugs, magic,

2:07:28

whatever. Olympias gets him, and

2:07:31

she either tries to kill him and fails,

2:07:34

but leaves him mentally damaged anyway, or

2:07:36

just tries to mentally damage him. I

2:07:39

think it's Plutarch who said that Olympias

2:07:41

destroyed his mind. Now, I

2:07:44

don't know if Olympias

2:07:47

really did something like this

2:07:49

or not, but

2:07:52

if she did, think about the

2:07:54

whole different sort of spin that

2:07:57

puts on the nature versus

2:07:59

nurture. debate, and

2:08:02

how important that is to how a child

2:08:04

turns out as an adult. If

2:08:06

this is your mom, writing

2:08:08

your dad is Philip the second.

2:08:12

These are really interesting people to have

2:08:14

the one setting the table

2:08:17

for you as a child

2:08:19

literally, right, infusing their values

2:08:21

and their ethics, their

2:08:23

conduct, their morals, there's, you know, all the all

2:08:25

that sort of stuff. And let's not suggest

2:08:28

that their values are our

2:08:30

values. Anyway, we judge them on a

2:08:32

different scale. Because, you know, look at

2:08:34

how the rest of Macedonian history looks,

2:08:36

they're not that outlandish, graded on a

2:08:38

curve. But if mom

2:08:40

is poisoning the other

2:08:43

sons of your dad, let's

2:08:46

just say that it's an interesting household, and

2:08:48

she's an interesting woman. And for the at

2:08:50

least first part of Alexander's life, she has

2:08:52

an inordinate amount of influence

2:08:54

on it. And it's an amount of influence

2:08:56

that will continue to some degree for

2:08:59

the rest of Alexander's life. And he will

2:09:01

be writing letters back and forth to her

2:09:03

as he's conquering the known world, you know,

2:09:06

chastising her helping her getting information from

2:09:08

her, she's sort of her son's

2:09:11

inside man in Macedonia while

2:09:13

he's gone. And she's in

2:09:15

power struggles with powerful, murderous,

2:09:18

ruthless, professional experienced veteran generals.

2:09:21

She's an amazing woman. But

2:09:24

the lower part of her right

2:09:26

the lower, for example, the idea

2:09:28

that she poisons Philip Aride as

2:09:30

to cause his mental disability, the

2:09:32

lower side of her sometimes

2:09:35

matches up pretty well with the

2:09:37

stuff most historians consider to be

2:09:39

factual. I mean, the woman

2:09:42

who's accused of poisoning her

2:09:44

son's half brother will

2:09:46

eventually kill him. That's not

2:09:50

lower, that's history. And

2:09:52

she'll not just kill him, she'll kill his

2:09:54

wife too. And that wife is

2:09:56

the granddaughter of her former

2:09:58

husband, Philip II. So she's

2:10:00

fully capable of that sort of

2:10:03

inter-family type

2:10:06

homicide. But

2:10:09

Mom likes snakes and

2:10:12

tells me maybe that I'm a god and that

2:10:15

Philip's not my real father, and

2:10:18

who happily would destroy the mind

2:10:20

of my half-brother, gives

2:10:23

a whole new meaning to the term maternal

2:10:25

instinct, doesn't it? But

2:10:28

the one thing that I liked in the movie

2:10:31

that Oliver Stone did is Alexander

2:10:34

film. And

2:10:36

I didn't like this move when I first heard

2:10:38

about it. I was completely wrong about it. It

2:10:40

was casting Angelina Jolie in the role

2:10:42

of Olympias. She

2:10:46

was perfect for it because there's that, there's

2:10:48

a little bit of the exotic stuff going

2:10:50

on where she feels a little bit more

2:10:52

like she's from upcountry than the rest of

2:10:55

the Macedonians, but there's also something a little,

2:10:57

you know, Dionysek about her.

2:10:59

I mean, it worked perfectly. She's

2:11:03

responsible for Alexander's early years, which I

2:11:05

guess is pretty Macadonian anyway. Five, six,

2:11:07

seven year old kids usually

2:11:10

spend time with their mom and Alexander and his

2:11:12

mom are together a lot. And she is

2:11:15

the one who sets up his first tutor. She

2:11:18

gets this guy from her home country, may have

2:11:20

even been a relative. He's

2:11:23

like a drill sergeant type of character, a Malosian

2:11:26

hardass, right? Comes in

2:11:28

there and he's going to

2:11:30

whip the young pampered Prince into shape,

2:11:33

right? You want to command a bunch

2:11:35

of killer Macadonian veterans.

2:11:37

They're not going to take orders

2:11:39

from some softy. Look,

2:11:41

your dad's already lost an eyes. He's

2:11:44

limping. He's got a broken collarbones. You

2:11:46

know, he's beaten up all over leading the charge from

2:11:48

the front. You better toughen up little

2:11:51

King boy. So the

2:11:53

first guy traditionally Alexander talks

2:11:55

about, you know, how

2:11:58

he would search his luggage. to

2:12:00

see if his mom had hidden

2:12:02

any little dainties or luxuries for

2:12:05

him, deny him food, march him all night,

2:12:07

then march him the next day, I mean sort

2:12:09

of toughen up his body. So

2:12:11

the next guy is the one that

2:12:13

traditionally, the sources always say, taught Alexander

2:12:15

his letters, so I guess to read

2:12:17

and to write and the basics like

2:12:19

this. He's sort of

2:12:21

an austere character and

2:12:23

reading between the lines one gets

2:12:25

a sense that he's almost like

2:12:27

a guy, like a stoic philosophy

2:12:30

devotee who's sort of teaching Alexander

2:12:32

to comport himself more like a

2:12:34

king even though you know he'll

2:12:36

have the power but you're supposed

2:12:38

to be more reserved, more Marcus

2:12:40

Aurelius-like if you thought about

2:12:42

a later example, if you're gonna be

2:12:44

a king and he's involved in the famous story where

2:12:46

Alexander as a kid is supposed to go up to

2:12:49

the altar where you throw the

2:12:51

expensive incense on the fire as a

2:12:53

sacrifice to the God and young Alexander

2:12:55

in front of this teacher is supposed

2:12:57

to grab two giant handfuls of incense

2:13:00

and the teacher again this is one of those

2:13:02

stories right one of those examples

2:13:05

of showing that

2:13:07

we knew Alexander was gonna be something special

2:13:09

when and he

2:13:12

throws these big handfuls of incense on the

2:13:14

fire and the teacher admonishes him and says

2:13:16

something to the effect of listen that's

2:13:18

expensive stuff when you're the one

2:13:20

earning the money and buying the incense you

2:13:23

can throw as big handfuls as you want

2:13:25

but till then you know take it easy

2:13:27

and in one of the aspects that's that's

2:13:29

kind of fun in some of these stories

2:13:31

is there's the before and after the you

2:13:33

knew me when version of

2:13:35

this story where after Alexander's

2:13:38

made good and he's out conquering the world

2:13:40

he sends back to this professor

2:13:42

showing that he didn't forget that

2:13:45

incident caravans tons of

2:13:47

the expensive incense back to him

2:13:49

with a notation not to be

2:13:52

parsimonious meaning you know don't be

2:13:54

selfish when you're offering

2:13:56

sacrifices to the gods there's almost like

2:13:59

that little I idea of, hey, if

2:14:01

you'd have been the one throwing the big handfuls to the

2:14:03

gods, maybe they would have favored

2:14:05

you and you'd be here instead of me. Right?

2:14:08

A sort of a remember me before I was great.

2:14:10

Well, how do you like me now? Have

2:14:13

some incense. And

2:14:15

then there's the famously the

2:14:17

third teacher of Alexander,

2:14:19

and this is a

2:14:22

rock star himself. Alexander has a

2:14:24

rock star tutor. It's

2:14:27

before his heights of

2:14:29

rock stardom in the world of

2:14:31

philosophy. He's sort of an up-and-comer

2:14:33

when Philip II

2:14:36

entices him to come up and teach

2:14:38

his son, and a small group of

2:14:41

friends, several of whom turn out to be

2:14:43

kings. Interesting class.

2:14:47

How do you pick the valedictorian

2:14:49

of that small group of people? But

2:14:52

the tutor that Philip II manages to

2:14:55

convince to come up to the cultural

2:14:57

backwater that is macadonia, though

2:14:59

he's trying to spruce it up intellectually,

2:15:01

is Aristotle, famously

2:15:05

of the school of Plato, right? A student

2:15:07

of Plato who was a student of Socrates.

2:15:09

And that's, you know, now

2:15:11

you're getting to the fountainheads of western

2:15:14

philosophical traditional thought,

2:15:17

right? This is like almost like

2:15:19

secret knowledge. There's

2:15:22

an element to the teaching

2:15:24

of philosophy in this period that has a

2:15:26

Raiders of the Lost Ark kind of feel

2:15:28

to it, like hidden knowledge, like stuff no

2:15:30

one knows. And

2:15:33

that's one of the things that Aristotle is

2:15:35

supposed to bring to the table here. But

2:15:38

the deal, and this is again

2:15:40

from the sources, that Philip II offers

2:15:43

to Aristotle to get Aristotle to

2:15:45

come up to macadonia is literally

2:15:47

one of those deals only a king could give

2:15:50

you, and that

2:15:52

it would probably be foolish to say no

2:15:54

to. But in addition to money

2:15:56

and all the other things, Philip II promises to

2:16:00

Aristotle that if you come up and teach my son for

2:16:02

a few years, I will restore,

2:16:04

rebuild and repopulate your home

2:16:06

city. Because

2:16:09

it had been destroyed. That's

2:16:11

a heck of an offer to make that a little bit

2:16:13

of pressure maybe from the neighbors to you know, maybe get

2:16:15

this deal done. We'd love to have our

2:16:17

city rebuilt. Now

2:16:20

the twisty part of the whole offer

2:16:22

though, is that the guy who destroyed the

2:16:24

city in the first place was Philip the

2:16:26

second. So he's basically saying I know I

2:16:28

destroyed your city. Become work for

2:16:30

me and I'll rebuild it and repopulate it. That's just

2:16:32

a side benefit I'll pay you to and you know,

2:16:34

all kinds of good things. But

2:16:36

you know, hard to say no

2:16:39

to a king anyway. So Aristotle famously

2:16:41

goes up to Macedonia, holds these classes

2:16:44

for several years between Alexander and a couple of

2:16:46

his friends. And like I said, it's a distinguished

2:16:49

group of guys. There

2:16:52

is a suggestion that one

2:16:54

of the group in the class wrote

2:16:57

something about it like on the education of Alexander

2:16:59

that would have been in all your fine

2:17:02

ancient libraries and that some of our sources

2:17:04

may have been able to read. So maybe

2:17:06

one degree of separation from you

2:17:08

know, class stories with Alexander

2:17:10

in high school. But

2:17:13

when we look at the subjects Alexander

2:17:16

supposedly learned, this is where

2:17:18

you start to get to this side of

2:17:20

Alexander that differentiates him from your average run

2:17:22

of the mill, drunken

2:17:25

mass homicidal killer. Because

2:17:27

there's a lot of conquerors in

2:17:29

history, but there aren't a lot

2:17:32

of conquerors in history with as

2:17:34

much education in some of the

2:17:36

key foundational academic disciplines that most

2:17:39

college curricula 50 or 60 years ago

2:17:41

would have considered mandatory.

2:17:44

I mean,

2:17:46

we're told that he is learning ethics,

2:17:50

mathematics, literature,

2:17:53

medicine, biology, politics,

2:17:55

philosophy, zoology,

2:17:59

rhetoric, And some secret

2:18:01

knowledge. The secret

2:18:03

knowledge, by the way, is something

2:18:05

we know about because

2:18:07

it was written about in Plutarch, where

2:18:10

he publishes what he basically says is

2:18:12

a letter from Alexander

2:18:14

to Aristotle later in life, when

2:18:16

Alexander is conquering the world and

2:18:18

is made good, and when Aristotle

2:18:20

is a philosophical rock star and

2:18:23

apparently is publishing his work.

2:18:26

Right, so you can buy it. But he's including in

2:18:28

the publishing of his work the secret stuff, or

2:18:30

at the hidden Shaolin priest

2:18:33

secret, Raiders of the Lost, dark knowledge that gives

2:18:35

you an advantage over other men if you know

2:18:38

it and they don't. Because

2:18:40

that's kind of how Alexander described it in

2:18:42

this nasty letter to his former tutor saying,

2:18:45

if you're given away this kind of

2:18:47

information, how am I supposed to have any

2:18:49

advantage over other men? Now,

2:18:53

it's interesting to think about what secret

2:18:56

information might have been involved in

2:18:59

the philosophical teachings of a guy like Aristotle, you

2:19:02

know, which came from Plato, which came from

2:19:04

Socrates. I mean, there's an intellectual tradition here

2:19:06

that goes back to somewhere really interesting. But

2:19:10

the way we should think about it is

2:19:13

that Alexander has all of this as

2:19:15

part of his makeup, right? All

2:19:18

of this philosophical and educational

2:19:20

learning and culture could

2:19:23

recite the Iliad and the plays of the

2:19:25

Greek playwrights, often sort of by memory, by

2:19:27

heart. I mean, this is an interesting kind

2:19:29

of guy, and there's a whole tradition out

2:19:31

there. And Plutarch is probably

2:19:34

fairly put in into it. Alexander

2:19:37

is kind of a philosopher king, as

2:19:39

we said earlier, or even

2:19:41

more interesting, a philosopher in action.

2:19:44

And that's how he sort of portrayed sometimes

2:19:46

as a guy who the philosophers

2:19:49

of ancient Greece in this great

2:19:51

time period where you

2:19:53

have all these interesting people, the Socrateses

2:19:56

and the Plato's and the Aristotle's and all those

2:19:58

guys, But they're creating

2:20:00

these ideas through debate and writing and

2:20:03

reflection and argument and all this, but

2:20:06

they await a man of action who

2:20:08

can take those ideas and put them

2:20:10

into practice. Right?

2:20:12

It's all theoretical until somebody tries

2:20:14

it, right? And Alexander

2:20:17

is that lightning

2:20:19

bolt flash

2:20:21

moment when the rubber

2:20:23

meets the road in terms of philosophical

2:20:26

thought being transmitted into the hands

2:20:28

of somebody, who can implement it

2:20:30

in the real world, a philosopher

2:20:33

in action. And

2:20:36

for people that would love to see a

2:20:38

more rational, more intelligently

2:20:40

run, more deeply

2:20:42

thoughtful world, that

2:20:45

is almost addictive

2:20:48

to think about that happening. It

2:20:51

brings a tear to your eye. It

2:20:53

brings out all your utopian sensibilities, hopes,

2:20:56

and dreams. Right? Wouldn't it be great

2:20:58

to have a philosopher King? You

2:21:02

can almost hear it in some of the eras

2:21:04

in human history where Alexander was seen

2:21:07

that way, that this would have been the dream

2:21:09

of some of the people back then. They

2:21:11

were living in a time period where the idea

2:21:13

of a philosopher King didn't have a lot of

2:21:16

the baggage that it has today. Although if Alexander's

2:21:18

a philosopher King, he's probably

2:21:20

wouldn't you think the philosopher King with the

2:21:22

highest body count of any of

2:21:24

them? Although philosopher Kings can kill

2:21:26

a surprising number of innocent people, but Alexander's got

2:21:29

to be right up at the top. Don't you

2:21:31

think? And

2:21:33

maybe there's a couple of key questions that

2:21:36

we should throw into the mix when we're

2:21:38

discussing this issue of Alexander

2:21:40

as a potential philosopher

2:21:42

King. What sort of

2:21:44

philosophy are we talking about? I

2:21:47

mean, just because you say it as

2:21:49

though it's a high-minded humanitarian sort of

2:21:51

philosophy that we should all be looking

2:21:53

towards as something to be proud of

2:21:56

and emulated in a sign of human

2:21:58

progress doesn't necessarily. mean

2:22:00

that at all, right? Philosophies can

2:22:02

be evil too. So

2:22:04

maybe he's pushing an evil philosophy. We substituted

2:22:07

a more modern word, ideology.

2:22:09

Well we wouldn't have any

2:22:11

problem, would we? Assuming that it might be

2:22:13

something negative. And then

2:22:16

there's the impact of the body count

2:22:19

on the philosophical point at

2:22:21

all. I mean let's imagine it's

2:22:23

a wonderful philosophy meant to spread

2:22:25

kindness and humanity and all

2:22:28

the things we would love to think of as

2:22:30

coming into the world and getting a chance to

2:22:32

thrive. But what if he kills 50 million people

2:22:34

to implement it? Is there

2:22:37

a number there where it doesn't matter

2:22:39

how great the philosophical ideas are, you

2:22:42

killed too many people to implement them so it

2:22:44

doesn't matter? I don't know the

2:22:46

answer to that. This is part of the great

2:22:48

unknowables with Alexander and the fact that he's got

2:22:50

so many centuries of propaganda

2:22:53

that's overlay the original

2:22:55

issue. Good luck getting to the heart of

2:22:57

that. But that begs the

2:22:59

question, what can we get to the heart

2:23:01

of? Is there anything you can know about

2:23:04

something that long ago so clouded

2:23:06

by intervening, you know,

2:23:08

evidence and information with so many people who've

2:23:10

had so many axes to grind over the

2:23:12

arrows? Can we get to any facts at

2:23:14

all? Well maybe. I mean

2:23:18

one of the questions I've asked before is,

2:23:21

what if Alexander the Great had a podcast

2:23:24

trying to imagine how wonderful it's going to be

2:23:26

for all those historians 500 years

2:23:28

from now delving into

2:23:30

our time period and the fact that they're

2:23:32

gonna have all these podcasts and blogs and

2:23:35

and Instagram accounts and everything that they can

2:23:37

mine and look at maybe more info than

2:23:39

they want, right? Be careful, you

2:23:41

know, if you wish for more needles in

2:23:43

a haystack be careful because you could end

2:23:46

up with what we have now. Haystacks and

2:23:48

needles everywhere for future historians but just give

2:23:50

me one podcast with Alexander

2:23:52

the Great in it, right? His

2:23:54

podcast and I'm gonna learn so much.

2:23:56

The first thing that's gonna be obvious though is we're gonna know

2:23:59

what the guy's gonna do. I looked like and wouldn't that

2:24:01

be a heck of a question to

2:24:03

answer? But

2:24:06

the descriptions are actually more consistent

2:24:08

than anything you're going to get

2:24:10

about his philosophical viewpoints. Um,

2:24:13

the way historians, by the way, come up

2:24:15

with these descriptions is they will read

2:24:18

the various sources and pick out any

2:24:20

little thing that seems to refer to

2:24:22

his appearance. And there'll be little

2:24:24

clues here or there, as opposed to somebody

2:24:26

describing him, you know, with five or

2:24:28

six adjectives in a row, you'll find out little tidbits

2:24:31

of things that will allow you to

2:24:33

assemble a picture. So for

2:24:35

example, one of the tidbits that's often used

2:24:37

is at one point in his career, Alexander

2:24:39

will capture the throne of his adversary and

2:24:41

he'll sit on the throne and his

2:24:44

feet won't touch the ground. Right. And it's remarked

2:24:46

upon that he's too short to be sitting in

2:24:48

the seat. So they bring him in like a

2:24:50

footstool, but you start to add up the height

2:24:52

references and you come up with a person who

2:24:54

seems to be a little bit shorter than normal,

2:24:57

which brings up another question of course, which

2:24:59

is what is normal for

2:25:01

this place and this time? We've

2:25:04

mentioned that it's almost certain that Alexander's

2:25:06

father's tomb has been found and

2:25:09

that is partially cremated remains measured

2:25:11

somewhere between like five foot, six inches

2:25:13

and five foot, eight inch tall. So

2:25:17

does that mean that's an average height for a Macadonian?

2:25:19

In which case, Alexander might be

2:25:21

a little smaller than that. Or

2:25:23

is Philip himself a shorter

2:25:26

than normal Macadonian? In which case,

2:25:28

five foot, six, five foot, seven could

2:25:31

be Alexander's height too. I

2:25:35

looked up the skeleton measurements from

2:25:37

this area in this time period.

2:25:40

I wasn't able to find Macadonia, but I found Greece

2:25:43

and in standard Greece, this appears

2:25:45

to be a standard height,

2:25:48

right? So Philip would be around the average

2:25:50

height of a Greek male. So

2:25:54

what does that put Alexander

2:25:56

at? Well,

2:25:59

here's Peter. your greens description

2:26:01

from around 1970 and I

2:26:04

find it hard to improve on that.

2:26:08

I will say that the blonde hair question

2:26:10

is an open one because green

2:26:12

says that he has blonde hair. He has

2:26:15

the color of a lion's mane and if

2:26:17

you've looked at a lion's mane there's a

2:26:20

number of different colors in your average lion's

2:26:22

mane. Some of them

2:26:24

are more blonde but a bunch of them

2:26:26

are sort of a darker color with like

2:26:28

golden highlights and you'll still see that color

2:26:30

hair all over northern

2:26:33

Greece and Albania in those areas today

2:26:35

maybe with a little bit of like

2:26:37

a red orange tone thrown in. You

2:26:40

add campaigning in the sun all the time and

2:26:42

you're gonna get a certain look. So

2:26:45

here's the way green describes Alexander

2:26:47

as the composite of all the

2:26:49

various appearance throwaway

2:26:51

lines that are in the sources.

2:26:53

Also notice you remember there was

2:26:55

a Kim Carne song once she's

2:26:57

got Bette Davis eyes. Well Alexander's

2:26:59

got like Ziggy Stardust eyes. Listen

2:27:01

to this description quote Alexander

2:27:05

had grown into a boy

2:27:07

of rather below average height

2:27:09

but very muscular and compact

2:27:11

of body. He was

2:27:13

already like his hero Achilles

2:27:15

a remarkably fast runner. His

2:27:17

hair blonde and tousled is

2:27:20

traditionally said to have resembled

2:27:22

a lion's mane and

2:27:24

he had that high complexion which

2:27:26

fair-skinned people so often display. His

2:27:29

eyes were odd one

2:27:31

being gray-blue the other

2:27:34

dark brown. His teeth

2:27:36

were sharply pointed like

2:27:38

little pegs says the

2:27:40

Alexander romance an uncharacteristically

2:27:42

realistic touch green rights

2:27:44

which carries instant conviction.

2:27:47

He had a somewhat high-pitched voice which

2:27:50

tended to harshness when he was excited. His

2:27:53

gait was fast and nervous. A

2:27:55

habit he had picked up from old the

2:27:58

drill sergeant from Melosia is the name of

2:28:00

the person, and he carried

2:28:02

his head bent slightly upwards and

2:28:05

to the left, whether because of

2:28:07

some physical defect or through mere

2:28:09

affectation cannot now be determined. He

2:28:13

says there is something almost girlish

2:28:15

about his earliest portraits, a

2:28:18

hint of leashed hysteria behind the

2:28:20

melting charm." The

2:28:24

mention about Alexander's voice being higher

2:28:26

than one would expect is

2:28:29

not uncommon with great generals, actually. Same

2:28:31

is true, for example, of General George

2:28:33

Patton. You want him to

2:28:35

sound like George C. Scott in the movie Patton,

2:28:37

but that's not what he sounds like. Higher than

2:28:39

normal voice, higher than what you would

2:28:42

expect. And something interesting,

2:28:44

and you don't know whether this is just something

2:28:46

that's made it down in the sources because, you

2:28:48

know, maybe you want

2:28:51

to put the great human figures

2:28:53

in history on a special pedestal

2:28:56

and say that they smelled extra good,

2:28:58

but Alexander is supposed to have smelled

2:29:00

really good. So good, in

2:29:02

fact, that the smell would linger on his

2:29:04

clothes, and he just had a really

2:29:06

good scent. And some ancient historians

2:29:08

try to figure out why that might be. Historian

2:29:13

Ian Worthington in his book By the

2:29:15

Spear gives a different

2:29:18

account of Alexander's look and

2:29:20

points out that even this could be

2:29:23

a product of all the propaganda and

2:29:25

even Alexander's ability to control this sort

2:29:27

of stuff because he's said to have

2:29:29

liked certain statues of

2:29:31

himself and not other ones and said

2:29:33

that, you know, the guy who made

2:29:35

the statue that he liked is the only guy who

2:29:38

can make statues of him now. So he may have

2:29:40

controlled how we see his look, but here's how Ian

2:29:43

Worthington describes it. Alexander

2:29:46

was a short man. After

2:29:49

the Battle of Issus in 331, one

2:29:51

of the captured Persian noblewomen mistook

2:29:54

the taller Hephaestion for Alexander,

2:29:56

and when he sat on the

2:29:58

royal throne in the palace of Susa, his

2:30:01

feet did not reach the ground. His

2:30:04

actual appearance, Worthington writes, is

2:30:06

controversial, depending on which ancient

2:30:08

account is read. He was

2:30:10

said to have a lopsided face, because

2:30:12

his neck inclined to the left, a

2:30:15

round chin, a long thin nose,

2:30:17

a bulging forehead above watery

2:30:20

eyes, one of which was apparently

2:30:22

light blue, and the other

2:30:24

brown. Very sharp pointed

2:30:26

teeth, a high-pitched voice, and a

2:30:29

thick tousled mane of blond hair.

2:30:32

If he really did look like

2:30:34

this, Worthington writes, then his later

2:30:36

portraits were deliberately softened to make

2:30:38

him more handsome. These

2:30:40

busts also depict Alexander with

2:30:42

his blond hair in ringlets,

2:30:44

with a central parting, and

2:30:47

against the tradition of the times, beardless.

2:30:51

In images, he says, like

2:30:53

the one on the Alexander

2:30:56

mosaic were likewise idealized, as

2:30:58

they feature Alexander with dark

2:31:00

curly hair and sideburns." The

2:31:05

sources say that Alexander was strong,

2:31:07

that he was athletic, that

2:31:09

he was a very good fighter and

2:31:11

horseman, and a very fast runner. At

2:31:14

one point, it is suggested to him

2:31:16

that he should compete in the Olympics.

2:31:20

He said he would if he could only compete

2:31:22

against kings, which

2:31:24

is a very Alexandrian sort of line.

2:31:29

There's a couple of things we can infer

2:31:31

and that we can know about this guy.

2:31:33

The first thing is we know he's young,

2:31:35

and it's an obvious thing to say, but

2:31:37

we have to remember, this is like

2:31:39

Bob Dylan's forever young concept here. This is

2:31:41

a guy who's never going to get old,

2:31:44

and so when we talk about how

2:31:46

one should imagine him, height, weight, gait,

2:31:49

look, hair color, all that sort of stuff, we

2:31:52

should reflect on the fact that he's going to be young.

2:31:54

And when he starts, he's going to be very young. We've

2:31:57

got an 18 year old or something, or a 19 year

2:31:59

old. year old when this guy is going

2:32:02

to be leading this macadone and Maserati of

2:32:04

an army at some point. Can

2:32:08

you imagine having tons

2:32:10

of responsibility at 18, 19, 20 years? I mean,

2:32:12

so this is a young guy. He

2:32:17

is a person we are told who

2:32:20

has a temper that can

2:32:22

get out of control at times. He

2:32:25

is somebody that is clearly a

2:32:27

superior fighter because if you look

2:32:29

at the life of Alexander, he's

2:32:32

a person who fights all the time. This is

2:32:34

not a general like Napoleon or

2:32:36

someone like Caesar who's back behind the lines

2:32:38

making sure everything's where it needs to be

2:32:40

and troops are going where they need to

2:32:42

go. Alexander is leading the pack and the

2:32:44

number of times that he's going to jump

2:32:46

over a city wall that they're besieging first,

2:32:49

you know, that he'll run into the midst

2:32:51

of the enemy with his bodyguards trailing

2:32:53

behind him. And the sheer fact

2:32:55

that he doesn't die in these

2:32:57

encounters that happened over years and

2:33:00

years and years is a

2:33:02

sign that he's quite capable of taking care

2:33:04

of himself and being deadly. I mean, if

2:33:06

the guy is like five foot four or

2:33:08

five foot five, he's a deadly monster of

2:33:10

a five foot five, right? We're

2:33:14

told that his education basically stops when

2:33:16

he's 16 years old because his

2:33:19

dad makes him regent while his dad

2:33:21

is out road dogging. His dad still

2:33:23

got to do what his dad's got

2:33:25

to do, right? Making the family fortune,

2:33:27

conquering new territories, besieging cities, becoming more

2:33:29

and more powerful. But you know, it

2:33:31

takes time and Philip is

2:33:33

continually hurt. He gets hurt again in another

2:33:36

campaign in the not too

2:33:38

distant future. So badly, he'll never be able to

2:33:40

walk without a limp again. But he leaves and

2:33:42

this time at 16 years old, he leaves

2:33:44

Alexander in charge round

2:33:47

about 340 BC

2:33:50

BCE. And

2:33:54

while Alexander is running the

2:33:56

show while Phillips away a rising

2:33:58

up. or some

2:34:00

sort of insurrection occurs up north of

2:34:03

Macadonia amongst a tribal people. So

2:34:05

Alexander takes what forces he's been

2:34:07

left from his dad,

2:34:10

goes up there, conquers them, exiles

2:34:13

them from their city, repopulates the city the

2:34:15

same way dad would have done and renames

2:34:17

it Alexandropolis,

2:34:20

just like his dad would have done too. His dad

2:34:22

would have called it a fallopolis. His son just named

2:34:24

it. This will be my first city I'll name for

2:34:26

myself. 16 years old, got my first city. Alexandropolis,

2:34:29

what would you have named it? This

2:34:33

also is presented like a milestone in this

2:34:35

guy's life. First battle he's commanded. I'm trying

2:34:37

to think of 16 year

2:34:39

old Alexander. Again, whatever we wanna think

2:34:42

of this guy, he's clearly a kid

2:34:44

out there in

2:34:46

his first battle as the one in

2:34:48

charge. I'm sure he's leaning

2:34:50

on the very powerful, very dominant

2:34:52

personalities of these generals heavily,

2:34:55

but at the same time, this

2:34:58

is a guy who at 26 years old is

2:35:00

gonna be able to say, I've been out there

2:35:02

on the battlefield for a decade. That's crazy. But

2:35:07

after Alexander has a

2:35:09

chance to be a region for a little while for

2:35:11

his dad while he's away and command some troops and

2:35:13

have a little agency in

2:35:15

terms of command, it

2:35:17

sort of marks the end of his formal education

2:35:19

in this period in his life where he's sort

2:35:21

of his dad's right hand man, where he's working

2:35:23

for pop in the family business, learning

2:35:26

the ropes. And

2:35:30

so his fortune sort of dovetail

2:35:32

with his dad's for a while. And this

2:35:35

is an interesting period in his dad's career.

2:35:38

First of all, there's an undercurrent

2:35:40

of public opinion,

2:35:42

maybe you could say out there during

2:35:44

this time period, that it's difficult to

2:35:46

divorce from the fact that we know

2:35:48

what's going to happen. So

2:35:51

it's tough to put maybe this sort

2:35:53

of information in its proper perspective, but

2:35:56

there is an undercurrent maybe starting around 345, 340.

2:36:01

146, you know when Alexander only would have

2:36:03

been 10 or 11 years old of maybe

2:36:05

his dad being seen as the

2:36:07

guy who's going to stop all

2:36:10

this terrible warfare of Greeks killing

2:36:12

Greeks and Unite the

2:36:14

Greeks together in a crusade against

2:36:16

Greece's historical enemy is the way

2:36:19

that this was portrayed the

2:36:21

Persian Empire Right who

2:36:24

invaded Greece a hundred and fifty or so years

2:36:26

before and is still awaiting

2:36:28

payback for that And so

2:36:30

if we could only stop fighting and killing each

2:36:33

other and draining the treasuries of

2:36:35

Rival city-states we could unite and

2:36:38

go take the treasuries of this

2:36:40

historically super uber wealthy Empire And

2:36:43

they can be our slaves and everything will be better

2:36:46

Probably 345 346. There's a

2:36:49

famous philosopher who

2:36:51

issues sort of a public plea

2:36:54

to Philip to be the guy who

2:36:56

does this and He'd

2:36:59

already chosen a couple people before Philip

2:37:01

in the time period where those people

2:37:03

look to be like the great unifier

2:37:06

but once Philip starts to

2:37:08

really assert himself in that role if you were

2:37:10

going to see a Person

2:37:12

who might unify Greece through force

2:37:15

and violence In

2:37:17

the middle 340s Philip is your guy The

2:37:21

reason that this undercurrent of

2:37:24

discussion about Philip leading a crusade

2:37:26

against Persia matters is Because

2:37:29

when Philip is no longer with us, it's

2:37:31

going to be this desire

2:37:33

this goal This

2:37:35

outcome that his son will adopt as his

2:37:38

own That is

2:37:40

again assuming that Philip hadn't had this idea

2:37:43

himself already didn't need some

2:37:46

Athenian or some Philosopher

2:37:48

giving it to him. Maybe he thought to himself. I'll

2:37:50

take Persia. Let me just you know, make sure I

2:37:53

don't have any hostile Greek cities

2:37:55

in my rear when I do Which

2:37:58

is what's going on around the time Alexander? first

2:38:00

gets to command troops, right? He's about 16

2:38:02

years old. Philip's upcoming

2:38:05

face-off with the powers that be in

2:38:07

Greece is starting to sort of crystallize

2:38:09

and shape up. Philip's

2:38:13

big enemy has always been Athens, and even

2:38:15

when they're at peace it's

2:38:17

kind of a Cold War kind of peace. I

2:38:19

mean, I think it was Demosthenes, the Athenian

2:38:22

orator, who was always sort of anti-Philip

2:38:24

that said that even when

2:38:26

Athens wasn't at war with Philip. Philip

2:38:28

was still at war with Athens, implying

2:38:32

that there's always a jockeying

2:38:34

for, maneuvering for

2:38:37

advantage here until the next

2:38:39

hot war starts. But

2:38:43

Philip has been controlling the whole situation in

2:38:45

Greece for some time now by having the

2:38:47

Thebans, or the other great city-state

2:38:49

that are historically the anti-Athhenian

2:38:51

city-state during this time period, having

2:38:54

the Thebans as his allies, right?

2:38:56

So you sort of checkmate the

2:38:59

Athenians in that situation. What changes

2:39:02

that leads to a showdown

2:39:05

is the position of Thebes. They

2:39:08

start to see Philip as

2:39:11

a threat too, and what we should

2:39:13

recall here, and it's partly what makes

2:39:15

Greek politics so difficult to follow, but

2:39:17

also at the same time so vulnerable

2:39:19

to a king operating in a

2:39:22

system with one person making

2:39:24

all the decisions, you

2:39:27

can see how that affects these

2:39:29

city-states where public opinion is divided.

2:39:32

Athens has a pro-Maccadonian

2:39:35

camp and an anti-Maccadonian camp,

2:39:37

and so does Thebes. And

2:39:40

Philip can work angles like that. One

2:39:44

of the reasons he's getting the Thebans angry with

2:39:46

him and the Athenians are already mad at him

2:39:48

is he's funding

2:39:50

division in Greece, right? He's deliberately

2:39:52

trying to create disunity and hostility

2:39:54

among the major powers, and he's

2:39:56

devoting a lot of his money

2:39:58

to that cause. I

2:40:01

mean, if there are Russian troll farms now trying

2:40:03

to get people in the West to hate each

2:40:05

other by instigating, you know

2:40:07

online combat and all that sort of stuff

2:40:09

to to make us a more divided society

2:40:11

that might be an Imitation

2:40:13

of what Philips been doing in Greece and

2:40:15

you could understand why the Greek city-states might

2:40:18

take offense after a while Right. It's in

2:40:20

his interest to keep Greece destabilized

2:40:22

and well, it's not so fun

2:40:24

to live in a destabilized place Demosthenes

2:40:29

and the Athenians will always portray this

2:40:31

as a war for Greek

2:40:33

liberty when they're dealing with Philip and Philip

2:40:35

is The Empire and the

2:40:37

Athenians and friends because that's maybe how

2:40:40

the Athenians would see them It's the

2:40:42

Athenians and all these other people our

2:40:44

supporters Even if

2:40:46

they're major city-states the Athenians cast

2:40:48

themselves in the role of the

2:40:50

plucky beleaguered Republic Right

2:40:53

fighting to maintain the old ways the tradition

2:40:55

the greatness of at the Athens traditionally and

2:40:57

of course, you know the Status

2:41:01

quo And

2:41:05

guys like Demosthenes who's considered to be

2:41:07

one of the greatest orators in world

2:41:09

history Let's

2:41:12

this fear and warning about Philip

2:41:14

to overcome his entire career I think for

2:41:16

like 10 years straight all he's writing about

2:41:18

is the danger of Philip We need to

2:41:20

do something before Philip gets us that kind

2:41:22

of thing In

2:41:25

his third Philippic, which is usually considered his

2:41:27

best in 341

2:41:30

BC BCE. So that would be when Alexander

2:41:32

is a year before Alexander takes over for

2:41:34

that Regency Demosthenes

2:41:36

again warns about Philip and these are long

2:41:39

tracks if you read them But

2:41:41

if you take pieces of it out, you

2:41:43

can see the church chilean comparisons come pretty

2:41:45

easily Right where Winston Churchill's warning about the

2:41:48

Nazis for all this time before they finally

2:41:50

take over and then he's brought to lead

2:41:53

You know against the foe that he saw before

2:41:55

anyone else Well, Demosthenes isn't looking to

2:41:58

lead but he's certainly looking to

2:42:00

warn the Athenians that

2:42:03

their freedom is at stake. And it's really interesting

2:42:05

the way they define freedom and a lot of modern

2:42:07

historians pick up on this too. The

2:42:09

Greeks want the freedom to basically fight each

2:42:11

other. We would today

2:42:13

say they want the freedom to make their own

2:42:16

foreign policy, knowing full well that

2:42:18

a large part of what they think of

2:42:20

as their foreign policy is the struggle for

2:42:22

hegemony against other Greek states, right?

2:42:24

The freedom to fight our adversaries

2:42:26

in Greece, and that's what Philip, if

2:42:29

he takes over, is going to take

2:42:31

away one of the things that Demosthenes points out. Hey,

2:42:33

you want to be able to control your own foreign

2:42:35

policy? Better not let Philip get in charge. And

2:42:38

so at one point, the third Philippic, he has this, I

2:42:41

looked at this paragraph for two, and

2:42:44

I pulled it up from the web,

2:42:46

and it doesn't say who translated it,

2:42:48

so a thousand apologies if that person's

2:42:50

still alive today. But

2:42:53

from about the middle of the piece, or two

2:42:55

thirds of the way through, he kind

2:42:57

of gets to this moment where he's blaming the

2:42:59

Athenians for all this, that they don't want to

2:43:02

put forward the effort and the money

2:43:04

and the demands on their

2:43:06

own precious time that

2:43:09

it would take away from whatever it is they want to do

2:43:11

to stop Philip, and yet they're going to pay a price for

2:43:13

this. They're not the men that their grandparents

2:43:16

and great-grandparents were because they would have done

2:43:18

what needed to be done, whereas you're more

2:43:20

concerned about looking out

2:43:22

for number one, and he says,

2:43:24

quote, so it is

2:43:26

men of Athens with us. While

2:43:29

we're still safe with our great

2:43:31

city, our vast resources, our noble

2:43:33

name, what are we to do? Perhaps

2:43:37

someone sitting here, meaning the assembly where

2:43:39

he's speaking, has long been

2:43:41

wishing to ask this question. I

2:43:44

and I will answer it, and I will

2:43:46

move my motion, and you shall carry it

2:43:48

if you wish. We ourselves

2:43:50

in the first place must

2:43:53

conduct the resistance and

2:43:55

make preparation for it with ships,

2:43:57

that is, and money and soldiers.

2:44:00

For though all but ourselves give way

2:44:02

and become slaves, we at

2:44:04

least must contend for freedom. And

2:44:07

when we've made all these preparations

2:44:09

ourselves, and let them be seen, then

2:44:11

let us call upon the other states

2:44:14

for aid, and send envoys to carry

2:44:16

our message in all directions, to

2:44:18

the Peloponnese, to Rhodes, to Chios,

2:44:20

to the King, meaning the King

2:44:22

of Persia. For it

2:44:24

is not unimportant for his interest either

2:44:27

that Philip should be prevented from

2:44:29

subjugating all the world, that

2:44:32

so, if you persuade them, you

2:44:35

may have partners to share the dangers

2:44:37

and the expense in case of need,

2:44:39

and if you do not, you

2:44:41

may at least delay the march of events.

2:44:44

For since the war is with a single

2:44:46

man, and not against the strength

2:44:48

of a unified state, even

2:44:50

delay is not without its value." That's

2:44:56

a pretty cool ominous line, right? I mean, if

2:44:58

you're really just fighting one guy as opposed to,

2:45:01

you know, the next guy in line who

2:45:03

can take over because they're not foreseeing Alexander,

2:45:05

they figure Macadone is just going to fall

2:45:07

apart without Philip and anything could happen to

2:45:09

one guy, right? Well,

2:45:12

that Philippic was

2:45:14

giving Athens yet another warning, a

2:45:17

full three years before the disaster

2:45:20

that's in their future, the

2:45:23

disaster that is the Battle of Caranea.

2:45:25

The Battle of Caranea

2:45:27

is one of those battles that everyone who's

2:45:29

familiar with ancient Greek history knows because it's

2:45:31

very famous, it's super important, but it's not

2:45:33

one of those battles that's gotten a lot

2:45:36

of publicity outside, you know,

2:45:38

the narrow specific ancient Mediterranean

2:45:40

genre. But the reason

2:45:43

it's important is this is the time period

2:45:45

where really the first time in hundreds of

2:45:47

years since the Greek city-states first arose on

2:45:49

the scene that

2:45:51

they get leashed by an outside

2:45:53

power. There

2:45:55

have been moments where one Greek city-state

2:45:57

like a Sparta or an Athens or

2:45:59

or Thebes dominates the other ones,

2:46:02

but it's always been a Greek

2:46:04

city-state involved in the

2:46:06

process of controlling other Greek city-states.

2:46:09

The battle of Carine is between Greek city-states

2:46:11

and an outside power. And

2:46:15

it is one of those battles where everything

2:46:17

is on the line. It's

2:46:19

very typical of battles in the, in

2:46:22

the pre-modern world, the ancient world, where

2:46:24

a single battle can decide the

2:46:26

whole war. So think of the stakes here. Lose

2:46:30

here, lose everything, win here

2:46:33

and see what happens. To

2:46:39

get a sense of the dread though, and the

2:46:41

feeling that overcame

2:46:44

the Athenians when they realized that

2:46:46

the Darth Vader figure, that people

2:46:48

like Democides had been warning about

2:46:50

forever was finally upon them. Diodorus

2:46:53

of Sicily, Diodorus Siculus

2:46:55

writes about what happens

2:46:58

when, as tensions are sort of heating

2:47:00

up, Philip makes a surprise move and

2:47:03

seizes the initiative that puts Athens

2:47:05

in a precarious position. And

2:47:08

then the people in Athens find out

2:47:10

about it. And Diodorus writes, quote, given

2:47:13

that the Athenians were unprepared. There

2:47:16

was, after all, a peace

2:47:18

treaty in place between them and Philip.

2:47:21

He was expecting an easy victory.

2:47:23

And that is exactly what transpired.

2:47:26

Some men, Diodorus writes, arrived

2:47:28

one night in Athens with

2:47:30

news of Philip's occupation of

2:47:32

Elade and have his imminent

2:47:34

arrival in Attica with his

2:47:36

forces. The Athenian generals

2:47:38

had not been expecting anything like this.

2:47:41

And in a state of shock, they summoned

2:47:43

the trumpeters and told them to keep sounding

2:47:46

the alarm all night long. By

2:47:48

the time word had spread to every

2:47:50

household, the city was alert with fear.

2:47:53

And the first thing in the morning, the

2:47:55

entire population converged on the theater without

2:47:58

waiting for the customary proclamation. by

2:48:00

the Archons. When the generals

2:48:02

arrived, they introduced one of the men

2:48:04

who had brought the information, and after

2:48:06

he had said his peace, a

2:48:09

fearful silence gripped the theater. None of

2:48:12

the men who usually addressed the assembly

2:48:14

dared to offer any advice, and

2:48:16

although the Herald called repeatedly for

2:48:18

people to recommend courses of action

2:48:20

that might save them all, not

2:48:22

a single speaker came forward. In

2:48:25

a state of great uncertainty and fear,

2:48:27

the people kept looking towards

2:48:30

Demosthenes." So

2:48:34

Demosthenes says, we've got to get Thebes

2:48:36

working with us. Thebes and Athens joined

2:48:38

forces, raised their militaries, rushed

2:48:40

to this Carinea site

2:48:42

in the area around

2:48:44

Thebes, you know, Boeotia, that area, and

2:48:48

they get to have it out for all

2:48:50

the marbles with this

2:48:54

amazing figure of a man who

2:48:56

is commanding an army now that we should

2:48:58

pay attention to, is not the same army

2:49:01

of 20 years ago, or almost 20 years

2:49:03

ago. By

2:49:05

the time Carinea happens in 338, this

2:49:08

reform of the Macadonian army that Philip

2:49:10

started to pursue when he took over

2:49:13

as king has been going on like

2:49:15

18-19 years, and this army has been

2:49:17

fighting continually, and he's

2:49:19

been adding new elements and

2:49:21

innovations and applying learned lessons

2:49:24

from battlefield encounters into reforms.

2:49:27

I mean, this is an army now that is terrifying,

2:49:32

especially to these armies like the Thebans and

2:49:34

the Athenians, who are going to raise these

2:49:38

militia armies that have generally

2:49:40

a small corps, like in the Theban army, they

2:49:42

have the Theban sacred band professionals, but there's 300

2:49:45

of them. It's nothing. And

2:49:47

then maybe they hire some mercenaries too to help, because

2:49:50

there's a lot of mercenaries running around, but

2:49:52

a lot of these troops are guys, as

2:49:55

we said earlier, who, you know, put on the

2:49:57

armor and grab the traditional

2:50:00

family weaponry and show up there as

2:50:02

the militia to do battle with

2:50:04

a bunch of professionals. Then

2:50:09

you add the command factor. One

2:50:12

of the things that just bedevils

2:50:14

a person who's interested in Greek

2:50:16

military history is that so much

2:50:18

of the political side of places

2:50:20

like Athens bled into things like

2:50:23

military command. Their political system essentially

2:50:25

likes to elect generals and then keep moving them

2:50:27

around all the time. And you know don't let

2:50:30

anybody get too powerful, but there's

2:50:33

a famous line quoted I forgot which of the

2:50:35

ancient sources mentioned it, but Philip

2:50:37

is supposed to have been have marveled

2:50:39

in the fact that the Athenians could come up with

2:50:41

like 10 good generals a year because that's how many

2:50:43

they had to elect. He goes when I've only found

2:50:46

one good one in my whole life he

2:50:48

was talking about Parmenia. But

2:50:52

when you add the fact that they're going to have

2:50:54

a professional army facing an army that has

2:50:57

a lot of people who are not professionals

2:50:59

in it, you're going to have them commanded

2:51:01

by people with tons of experience. The macadonian

2:51:04

core of generals reminds one of like

2:51:06

the guys around Napoleon, you

2:51:09

know all of his great general staff people. Alexander's

2:51:12

got a similar thing and in

2:51:14

this era Philip's got them with him and they're

2:51:16

going to survive him and they're going to help

2:51:18

Alexander. This is sort of the hidden part of

2:51:20

the Alexander Maserati

2:51:23

secret weapon here is the fact

2:51:26

that these generals provide a ton

2:51:28

of institutional memory and

2:51:30

they're all very good. And a bunch

2:51:32

of them will actually as we said

2:51:34

earlier go on to found dynasties where

2:51:36

tons of their descendants will rule for

2:51:39

centuries. So these are very august people

2:51:43

and they're contrasted with people who

2:51:45

are as we said elected

2:51:47

political I mean it's that's

2:51:49

a washout too right? And

2:51:52

you know when we talk about these professional

2:51:54

versus militia armies or these armies that fight

2:51:56

all the time versus the kind that only

2:51:58

get called up. You know once

2:52:01

a decade Athens hasn't done a lot of fighting

2:52:03

with their citizen militia in a while use

2:52:06

a lot of mercenaries, but According

2:52:08

to the sources Athens raises its age where

2:52:10

they want you to show up at the

2:52:13

battlefield to 50 years old for this battle

2:52:15

I'm gonna say that that shows a level

2:52:18

of concern That's

2:52:20

rather desperate if you're pulling the 50 year

2:52:22

olds out to the battlefield To

2:52:25

face, you know the young killers in the

2:52:27

Macadonian army That's

2:52:29

a little scary and here's the thing Scarier

2:52:31

in the ancient world than now I mean

2:52:34

if you told me that we were gonna

2:52:36

put together a volksturm of 50 year

2:52:38

old plus guys But

2:52:41

you were gonna arm them with high-powered rifles or

2:52:43

something and send them out there to do something

2:52:45

that that's a force that can do something maybe

2:52:49

one could argue that some of the Predominantly

2:52:52

bow armed armies in the world. I mean

2:52:54

the Persians use a lot of bow for

2:52:56

example Maybe those people could get out there

2:52:58

and fight at 50 and be effective But

2:53:02

both the Greeks in this period and

2:53:04

the Macadonians They get

2:53:06

at you. I mean it's physical there's going to

2:53:08

be you know, close-range

2:53:10

stabbing and Fighting and

2:53:12

wrestling and martial arts and the whole thing

2:53:16

Both sides go into this battle expecting

2:53:18

that And

2:53:21

when that's the case While

2:53:23

a lot of the ancient sources talk about the

2:53:25

value of having the older guys in the unit

2:53:27

right having them in the phalanx There is steadying

2:53:30

force their veterans. They know how this stuff goes.

2:53:32

They've got you know actual experience They can draw

2:53:34

and to calm the young folks and whatever But

2:53:37

at certain points in this battle again The

2:53:40

sourcing for this battle is gonna make it really

2:53:42

tough to piece together. Although that hasn't stopped generations

2:53:44

of people from trying But There

2:53:48

are accounts where it suggests

2:53:51

that it was a very long

2:53:53

drawn-out battle and that this was

2:53:55

Totally to the advantage of the Macadonians because

2:53:57

even if a bunch of older guys

2:54:00

you know, we should think of mixed units is

2:54:02

gonna be younger guys too. But even if a

2:54:04

bunch of older guys can still manage

2:54:06

to bring it like they used to for a

2:54:08

certain period of time, if the battle goes on

2:54:10

a long time, this is a physical fitness war

2:54:13

at a certain point. And

2:54:16

some of these 50 year old 49 year old guys are gonna

2:54:19

tap out after a while. And if only one size

2:54:21

using 49 or 50 year old

2:54:23

guys, well, okay, I see

2:54:25

a problem potentially right there. There's

2:54:29

a great line from the 1950s movie about

2:54:33

Alexander the Great starring Richard Burton as Alexander

2:54:36

and I tried to find the line in

2:54:38

my history books figuring that the screenwriters lifted

2:54:40

it from one of the classical sources. I

2:54:43

couldn't find it. That doesn't mean it's not there.

2:54:46

But maybe the script writers wrote it.

2:54:48

It's fantastic though. Spoiler alert, it has

2:54:50

Philip after the Battle of Cara Nia

2:54:52

after he's defeated the Athenians and he's

2:54:54

walking around Athens amongst these defeated Athenians

2:54:57

past all the fantastic classical

2:55:00

statues that all look like

2:55:03

Olympians right with the fantastic fantastic

2:55:06

muscular chair they look like perfect

2:55:08

human specimens. And in the movie,

2:55:10

the actor playing Philip looks at

2:55:13

the defeated Athenians motions to

2:55:15

the statues and says, where

2:55:17

were all these physiques

2:55:20

at Cara Nia? Now

2:55:22

let's talk a little about the battle though, in

2:55:25

terms of what we know such an important battle

2:55:27

you think we know more. And you can pick

2:55:29

up a bunch of history books and feel like

2:55:31

you know quite a bit unless you compare them

2:55:33

to each other. That's when you

2:55:36

realize, wait a minute, these guys are have

2:55:38

completely different takes on this battle. What's

2:55:41

more, they've been arguing about some of the

2:55:43

key points that are well still argued about

2:55:45

for more than 100 years. Hansel Brooks got

2:55:48

it in his book. And I love the

2:55:50

way he actually breaks down one of these

2:55:52

central questions about the battle just

2:55:54

as relevant today, by the way. But the

2:55:58

main source is Diodorus cicula. He's

2:56:01

writing it more in an adventure sort of tone

2:56:03

as opposed to giving us a sense of, okay,

2:56:06

tell me where all the units were. Let me get an

2:56:08

idea of the terrain, that sort of thing. Ian Worthington

2:56:12

in his book By the Spear sort of

2:56:14

sets up a best guess at the numbers

2:56:17

in ancient history. Battlefield

2:56:19

numbers and army strengths is something,

2:56:22

well, you shouldn't take it with a grain of salt.

2:56:24

You should take it with a whole big old barrel of salt. But

2:56:27

sometimes you, even if it's not true,

2:56:29

you must believe in ancient history, right? Here's

2:56:33

how Ian Worthington sort of sets the stage for this

2:56:35

pivotal, one of the most important battles in

2:56:37

the history of ancient Greece, Battle of

2:56:39

Caranea in 338. The

2:56:43

Greek coalition troops numbered 30,000 infantry and

2:56:45

3,800 cavalry, and

2:56:48

were commanded by the Athenian generals Charus,

2:56:51

Lysocles, and Stratocles, and

2:56:54

the Theban general Theogenes. Boeotia

2:56:57

provided 12,000 hoplites, including the

2:57:00

elite sacred band, and

2:57:02

the Athenians 6,000 citizen

2:57:04

soldiers to age 50 and 2,000 mercenaries. Demosthenes,

2:57:09

who had the phrase, good luck,

2:57:11

which sounds a little sarcastic, I've

2:57:13

read also good fortune, emblazoned

2:57:15

in gold letters on his shield, was

2:57:18

one of the infantrymen in the Athenian

2:57:20

contingent. Philip commanded 30,000 infantry

2:57:22

and 2,000 cavalry, composed of 24,000 Macedonians, and

2:57:28

the rest from Thessaly and

2:57:31

Phocas, or Phocas, end

2:57:33

quote. Theodorus Siculus

2:57:35

is the main account of the battle, and

2:57:37

he makes it sound as though, you know,

2:57:39

the second that Demosthenes goes to convince Thebes

2:57:42

to join the alliance with Athens, that it

2:57:44

was on and the battle happened right away,

2:57:46

but it was several months of jockeying, and

2:57:48

Philip still trying to pursue diplomacy. If you

2:57:50

were trying to take a pro-Macodonian position here,

2:57:52

you might say, hey, Philip kept trying to

2:57:55

make a deal. Didn't want it this way,

2:57:57

whereas the people on the... Allied

2:58:00

Greeks I would say Philip was trying to

2:58:02

pry us apart so that he didn't

2:58:04

have to face us, but eventually of course it comes down

2:58:06

to the battle, and this is

2:58:08

how Diodorus Siculus has it set up and

2:58:11

how it goes. I'm

2:58:14

using the excellent Robin Waterfield translation

2:58:16

of Diodorus, by the way, and

2:58:19

the author has Diodorus saying, quote,

2:58:22

At daybreak the armies were drawn up for

2:58:24

battle. Philip posted his

2:58:26

son Alexander on one of the wings.

2:58:29

He was only a teenager, but was

2:58:31

already well known for his martial spirit

2:58:33

and forceful energy, and gave him his

2:58:35

most senior officers in support while he

2:58:37

took command of the other wing at

2:58:40

the head of the crack troops and

2:58:42

deployed all the other individual units as

2:58:44

the situation demanded. The

2:58:46

Athenians, for their part, divided their

2:58:48

forces by nationality, entrusting

2:58:50

one wing to the Boeotians and

2:58:52

taking command of the other themselves.

2:58:55

End quote. Then

2:58:57

Diodorus has the battle happening and

2:58:59

Alexander sort of having the initial

2:59:02

success, which he says

2:59:04

prompted Alexander's dad to then compete

2:59:06

with him. Well, just for

2:59:08

yourself, but here's how the actual account

2:59:10

of the battle, in the best account

2:59:12

that we have of the battle, describes it, quote,

2:59:16

A fearsome prolonged engagement ensued.

2:59:18

So many men fell on both sides

2:59:20

that for a while the battle allowed

2:59:23

them both equally to anticipate victory. And

2:59:26

Alexander was eager to put on a display

2:59:29

of valor for his father, and he was

2:59:31

in any case excessively ambitious. And

2:59:33

besides, there were many good men fighting

2:59:35

alongside him in support. So

2:59:37

it was he who was the first to create a

2:59:40

breach in the enemy lines. He

2:59:42

slew so many of those who were arranged

2:59:44

opposite him that the line was wearing thin.

2:59:47

And since his companions were being just as

2:59:49

effective, the enemy formation as a whole

2:59:51

was constantly in danger of being breached. The

2:59:54

bodies were lying in heaps by the time

2:59:56

Alexander was first able to force the troops

2:59:58

facing him.

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