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of why. Sometimes. I like to

0:31

look into the future you now to see

0:33

like what holidays are coming up with it.

0:36

I think it's funny do a story that

0:38

ties in to like what's going on in

0:40

the real world's in this case. I saw

0:42

that St. Patrick's Day was like right around

0:44

the corner so I decided to look into

0:46

some Irish history and I realize the only

0:49

thing so many of us know about Ireland

0:51

is. The. Potato famine.

0:54

And that's kind of like. A

0:56

sorry, sorry. Ireland, I'm

0:58

sorry Now I'll be honest with

1:00

you, it's hard to shock me

1:02

anymore. So when I tell you

1:04

that this story I found shook

1:06

me to Mike or. You.

1:08

Know it's for real am I

1:11

right? Found it while I was

1:13

looking into unknown Irish history. Unknown

1:15

specially to Americans. I kept

1:17

reading about this thing called

1:19

the Magdalene Laundries. They sounded

1:22

so innocent in pure all

1:24

about cleanliness. Like nothing to

1:26

see here, just laundry. But

1:28

that is exactly what the

1:30

Catholic Church wanted people to

1:32

think. Because these laundries turned

1:34

out to be a network

1:37

of facilities that destroyed the

1:39

lives of countless women. They

1:41

were part prison, part work

1:43

camp, part reform school. and

1:45

were open for business for

1:48

about two hundred and thirty

1:50

one years until a mass

1:52

grave site was discovered and

1:54

blue this whole scandal wide

1:56

open this episode is about

1:58

the horrific true behind

2:00

Ireland's Magdalene Laundries.

2:03

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Hi

2:17

friends, I hope you are having a wonderful day

2:19

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2:21

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2:23

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2:25

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2:51

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2:53

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2:56

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2:58

just a disclaimer. I'm ahead of time.

3:00

And I'll make sure to do this more often moving

3:02

forward for you as well. Okay,

3:04

so our story begins in the mid 1700s.

3:08

To set the stage, you need to

3:10

know that in Ireland, religion was, and

3:12

still really is, everything.

3:16

The church told the Irish who they

3:18

could be friends with, where they could

3:20

live, what school they went to, and

3:22

also like who they could marry. If

3:25

the church said jump, the Irish said,

3:27

how high Jesus? Back then,

3:29

people in Ireland were either Protestant or

3:31

Catholic. And as

3:33

time went on and the country

3:35

became independent, more people were Catholic

3:38

and the Catholic Church got stronger.

3:40

But no matter what religion you

3:42

identify with, everyone agreed on one

3:44

big thing. Society was going to

3:46

hell in a handbasket. There

3:48

was a crisis, and that crisis came

3:51

in the form of corrupt women.

3:54

Or as the Irish called them,

3:56

the quote, fallen woman,

3:59

end quote. The Price Polling Woman

4:01

was used to describe ladies who

4:03

have lost their innocence and had

4:06

fallen from. The Grace of God. Just

4:08

like the most famous fallen woman of

4:10

all time. Eve you know

4:12

she ignored God's message and got

4:14

us kicked out of the Garden

4:16

of Eden. Like never mind the

4:19

men's pardon. This men were simply

4:21

encouraged not to sin, but women

4:23

were the sin and the worst

4:25

kind of fallen woman said them.

4:28

Was to sex worker and there

4:30

was this paranoia. At the time

4:32

that sucks work was on the rise.

4:34

It was believed that any. Woman who

4:37

had premarital sex or got

4:39

pregnant. Out of Wedlock would be

4:41

on the fast track to sell on

4:43

her body and her soul. This is

4:45

when a rich white lady shows up

4:47

a decisive she's going to save. These

4:50

poor souls. She's. Going Like

4:52

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4:55

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4:57

and seventeen o' seven with a

4:59

silver spoon in her mouth. Her

5:02

mom came from a wealthy family and

5:04

her dad was the first for all

5:06

of county. Terry. So. Lady or

5:09

Abella was essentially like the royalty

5:11

her life is essentially eat pray

5:13

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5:16

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5:18

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5:20

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5:22

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5:24

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5:26

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5:29

she reads article about a place

5:31

called the Found A Link Hospital

5:33

Sanderlings with the word used for

5:35

babies who were. Abandoned sometimes even

5:37

killed because they were born

5:40

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5:42

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5:44

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5:46

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5:48

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5:52

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5:54

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5:57

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5:59

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6:01

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6:03

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6:05

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6:08

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6:10

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6:12

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6:15

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6:17

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6:20

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6:22

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6:26

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the stuff like. People.

6:33

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6:35

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6:37

and that the working conditions were

6:39

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6:41

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6:43

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Sixty seven the Lady are Bella

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in some other rich investors rented

9:09

a house in the center of

9:11

Dublin. They called it quotes the

9:13

Mandolin Asylum for penitent females and

9:16

quote first of all that name

9:18

mantle and it if he does

9:20

don't know it comes from the

9:23

Bible one of Jesus is be

9:25

ssssss. With Mary Magdalen, some

9:27

say that Mary was a

9:30

sex worker. Then she literally

9:32

found Jesus and reformed her

9:34

life. ask. Any christian are Catholic

9:37

walking down the street who Mary Magdalen

9:39

as and they. Will say the

9:41

sex worker who washed Jesus feet

9:43

and I'm bounce around. And. Free

9:45

answering. Here's will fun facts you

9:47

can. Tell them like there is

9:50

literally nothing in the Bible that

9:52

says Mary Magdalen was ever. A

9:54

sex worker. Sorry.

9:57

I mean. School. Work. Maybe I'm

9:59

wrong. I. Don't think so.

10:01

Buckle looks Tony but it's a

10:04

it's a story people have told

10:06

for centuries. The original idea behind

10:09

this place was to be like

10:11

Us Reformatory, a place where these

10:13

fall and women could go and

10:16

like restart their lives. These weren't

10:18

just about sex workers but quote

10:21

seduce an abandoned woman who had

10:23

been discarded by society for no

10:25

longer being pure. But this was

10:28

Ireland and the seventeen hundreds. So

10:30

seduce. And discarded was just

10:32

as dirty as the word prostitute,

10:35

so they lump them all together.

10:37

The idea was that these women

10:39

would stay at the Asylum for

10:42

a couple of years while they

10:44

learned a quote respectable profession. They

10:46

could take up skills like knitting,

10:49

embroidering, sewing, you know, and while

10:51

they weren't learning, they would be

10:54

put to work. Mostly doing

10:56

laundry. yeah this is the

10:58

the the laundry Common sense

11:01

of place and sense. Sounds:

11:03

This laundry came from all

11:05

sorts of places like local

11:07

businesses, public schools, Government apartments

11:09

and even like the military, these

11:11

places would pay the asylum for

11:14

the laundry. Which kept the light so

11:16

on and like the food on the table for

11:18

these women because of this lady. Are abolished.

11:20

Facility became. Known as

11:22

the Magdalene Laundry. Make.

11:27

Cycling hear the movie title in the movie. Now.

11:31

After a success, more magdalene

11:33

laundries opened up in places

11:35

like the United Kingdom's Europe

11:37

or Australia in Ireland, and

11:39

it was clear the laundries

11:41

were really on to something.

11:43

And to be fair, At

11:46

the beginning they truly try to

11:48

help these fallen women. Originally women

11:50

even check themselves into the Matt.

11:53

Dillon Laundry it was their toys.

11:55

It seems like a good opportunity

11:57

for like a new start if.

12:00

Woman with a sex worker and she

12:02

wanted out. There was finally a path

12:04

forward. Since. The great, you

12:06

know. But then tragedy strikes.

12:08

And the laundries they take. I

12:10

saw Last Chance of Funky Town.

12:13

From. Eighteen forty Five to

12:15

Eighteen Fifty two. Ireland Experience

12:18

The Great Sam in a.

12:20

The. Potato Famine were about one

12:22

million people died of starvation and

12:25

another million left the country and

12:27

it received Ireland forever. And during

12:29

this time the people were in

12:32

desperate need of some kind of

12:34

like leadership, some guidance, someone in

12:36

charge, and who to people turn

12:39

to when it feels like the

12:41

end of the world's. This

12:43

was a hard time for every

12:45

one and philanthropist connect raise enough

12:48

money to keep letting these mantle

12:50

and laundry. So the Catholic. Church

12:52

steps in, decides to take over

12:54

and instead of running them as

12:56

a charity, they would now be

12:59

a for profit business moving forward

13:01

at a certain. Point they realized

13:03

they had a cast paw on

13:05

their hands. Somebody like hey if

13:07

they are more women in these

13:09

laundries with it was more laundry

13:11

and make more money. Plus

13:13

save more souls. It would be

13:15

a win win win for the.

13:18

Church, the government

13:20

and society accepts.

13:22

For the women of course, But. Who

13:24

gives a shit about them? By.

13:27

The late eighteen hundreds, they

13:30

were about forty one Mantle

13:32

and laundries in Ireland alone

13:34

run by different names and

13:36

different Catholic groups and women

13:38

weren't going there voluntarily anymore.

13:40

Name: By the nineteen twenties

13:42

and thirties, the Irish government

13:45

and families were now Sunday

13:47

women and young girls to

13:49

the maxilla laundries. Usually.

13:52

Against their will, this included women

13:54

from psychiatric institutions and jails. and

13:57

even when I'm with special. Needs

13:59

and. Camping school I found

14:01

so screwed. Up is that

14:03

women were also sent there

14:06

because they the women. Were.

14:08

Sexually assaulted. Yeah.

14:12

It was there a problem that

14:14

they were sexually assaulted. One survivor,

14:16

a woman name Martha Kearney was.

14:19

Raised by a family member when she was. Only

14:21

fourteen, she was obviously traumatized

14:23

and shared that does happen

14:25

to her. with her cousin. Who

14:28

she. Thought she'd could trust. That

14:30

concern ratted her out to

14:32

the. Whole family and the

14:34

next. Day Martha was sent to

14:37

the laundry. This is the kind

14:39

of story that actually. Inspired a

14:41

famous movie called the Magdalene. Sisters

14:43

some his hand recommends. The laundry

14:45

became a place for parents to

14:47

send their problem children. They would

14:49

send their unmarried daughters who had

14:52

gone pregnant before marriage. Basically this

14:54

was away for them to like.

14:56

I. Can't. Let the

14:58

neighbors know about aliens little secret. In

15:01

all, these parents relied on the word

15:03

on the church to meet them. Believe

15:05

they have no choice. The state did

15:08

not provide any support for those poor

15:10

girls. And then a major thing happened

15:12

that sealed the feet of the Magdalene

15:14

Laundries forever. In. Nineteen Twenty

15:17

Two: After a three year

15:19

war, Ireland one, it's independence

15:21

from England. Descent even had

15:23

no more control over the

15:25

Irish government, and the power

15:27

and that once belonged to

15:29

England shifted over to. you

15:31

guessed it, The. Catholic Church.

15:34

Yeah, the Catholic Church became

15:36

even more powerful. They were

15:38

seen as the highest moral

15:40

authority in the land, and

15:42

something like ninety four percent

15:44

of the population. Was now

15:47

Catholic. I'm you definitely don't see

15:49

that anymore. Literally everyone you

15:51

knew was Catholic and it was

15:53

just how society was. This is

15:56

when newly free Ireland became

15:58

obsessed with presenting themselves. As

16:00

a quote, pierre Moral Nation

16:02

and there's this intense church

16:05

field panic about sexual purity.

16:07

So the Matalin laundries became

16:09

a catch, all for any

16:12

woman who weren't considered. Pure.

16:14

Instead of a vision for a. Place where

16:16

outcast women could start again.

16:19

The Magdalene laundries had morphed

16:21

into this car swirl institutions.

16:23

That anyone could be sent to without

16:25

warning. One. Woman who spent time

16:27

in a mantle and laundry. Stated quotes

16:29

in Ireland, especially in those days the

16:31

church ruled the roost. The church was

16:34

always right in. never criticize the priest,

16:36

you never criticize the whole, the nuns.

16:38

You did what they said without questioning

16:41

the reason why and quo. So it's

16:43

safe to say that the church was

16:45

essentially the government and they must have

16:48

had like some good pr because no

16:50

one knew what the hell was going

16:52

on in these laundries to the outside

16:55

world of these nuns were angel sent

16:57

from above to see. The Horse.

16:59

Why wouldn't they be trusted?

17:01

Plus hey I mean they're

17:03

doing a service and helping restore

17:06

the good name of Irish

17:08

families. The most important thing

17:10

in this Catholic society was you

17:12

not bring shame. Upon your

17:14

family and trust me, anything

17:16

can bring shame. If you kissed

17:19

a boy in the street, shame. Wearing

17:21

a dress that shows your ankles.

17:23

Shame. A priest molest

17:25

few? Ah, that's on you. shame.

17:28

And the worst thing you could do

17:30

in this time period as a woman

17:33

was lose your virginity out of wedlock.

17:35

Or God forbid. Get. Pregnant.

17:37

That would be the old

17:39

submit Shame. Now the

17:42

qualifications for getting into the laundry

17:44

were. Expanded. I

17:47

mean, women were getting sent there for

17:49

all kinds of random ass reasons, like

17:51

if he were considered. A flirt.

17:55

Pack. Your bags. Off. To

17:57

the laundries. Oh and my

17:59

favorite! Then you could get

18:01

along if you were considered to

18:03

have. Her Thursday.

18:06

To. Ask you the third to half.

18:09

Out there are actually

18:11

two categories of woman:

18:13

the Fall and ones

18:15

and. The. Fall League ones

18:17

at her A: they were in

18:20

danger of falling. One. Of these

18:22

girls was a teenager named still Us

18:24

More Can who lives in an orphanage.

18:26

That was connected to the

18:28

Magdalene Laundries. When she was a

18:30

teenager the nuns gave her the up

18:33

down. You. Know look at her like. Her

18:36

and they told her literally like you're

18:38

hot If you leave this orphanage you're

18:40

gonna get knocked up. so we're gonna

18:42

send you to the laundries. You're falling.

18:44

I sick higher my to me of are. Witches

18:47

episode like if he sneezed wrong with

18:49

your ass Was in a carriage on

18:51

the way to the nuns. If

18:53

he sneezed and he looked cute doing

18:55

it bad. Shame. By. People.

18:58

Instinctively trusted the church and

19:00

therefore he trusts of the

19:02

luxuries. Sending women there wasn't

19:04

seen. As like a big deal

19:06

purposely they were seen as a

19:08

places correction and also worship where

19:11

women could. Become pure again. But

19:13

the thing was, no one really

19:15

knew what was happening on the

19:17

inside. and until you got there

19:19

and then you realize. You

19:22

were and how. And there

19:24

was no escape. Seen

19:26

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21:25

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21:27

the girls knew they were going to be

21:29

put to work doing laundry. It

21:31

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21:33

they're like, just show me where the goddamn

21:35

laundry room is. Like I get it. But

21:37

listen, the whole laundry thing was kind of

21:40

like a fake out because washing dirty clothes

21:42

for the entire city is, you

21:44

know, it's very exhausting and kind of gross.

21:47

But the work wasn't the worst part about

21:49

the Magdalene Laundries. I mean, not

21:52

by a long shot. Now here's what

21:54

was actually going on inside. As soon

21:56

as you get to the laundry, you

21:59

get examined. Sometimes this man

22:01

being stripped make an sometimes

22:03

there was even hazing like

22:06

a nun would strip. the

22:08

new girls have them stand

22:10

altogether and they would play

22:12

last and like compare their

22:15

bodies. In. Sync with a

22:17

fuck I mean I know like I

22:19

thought these were woman of god would

22:21

happen to dow selma jugs ladies Then

22:24

after that you were handed a uniform

22:26

the like nah for school it was

22:28

actually a work you form and then

22:31

get this the real. Name though

22:33

girls so they strip them. Of

22:35

the real real names and

22:38

rename them after. A

22:40

say. Some. Former

22:42

Magdalen Laundry inmates even described getting

22:45

the G aging treatment a second.

22:47

They got a working farm like

22:49

right off the bat. the nuns

22:52

would chop off all of their

22:54

hair. I'm talking about like

22:56

the worst kind of biased caught you

22:58

you could ever see was bad they

23:01

weren't like cotton the hair off with

23:03

scissors nine and and kitchen. Scissors.

23:05

They were essentially. Sign Get off

23:07

with a nice as short as they could

23:09

get it. With. Up

23:12

by your scalp so sometimes the ladies will

23:14

get like a bloody scalp and if that

23:16

happened to those those on us your fault

23:18

Me: Mission of moved there were. No

23:20

mirrors and the entire building. Snowmen.

23:23

Ever celebrated birthdays or even

23:25

knew how old they were.

23:27

The nuns were absolutely hell

23:29

bent on making forget that

23:31

you're a human being, you

23:33

are just some mindless worker.

23:35

and in addition newer center

23:37

and you would be treated

23:39

as since the living conditions

23:42

were her reset like you

23:44

were a literally in prison.

23:46

According to the Justice for

23:48

Magdalen research page quotes, Once

23:50

inside girls and women were

23:52

imprisoned. Behind. Locked doors, barred

23:54

or unreachable windows and high

23:56

walls. They were usually given

23:59

no and. Formation as you

24:01

win or whether they would be

24:03

released and quo. He. The try

24:05

to escape but there are usually

24:07

pieces of broken glass cemented on

24:09

the other side of the wall.

24:11

com like a booby trap. So

24:13

the chances on you getting over

24:15

the wall through the window and

24:17

not landing on this gadget glass

24:20

was like. Very

24:22

slim the lox I think I've

24:24

ever seen these shotgun blasts, fences,

24:26

lot of people kind of break

24:28

glass and put it like on

24:30

a windows sell for around like

24:32

a plants her to prevent people

24:34

from. Coming in or whatever

24:37

it's it's like a it. You know

24:39

it's their own form of security. Blood

24:41

is. Scary. It again

24:43

it's aggressive and if you did manage

24:45

to like get out some how. Do

24:48

you put a celebrate just yet?

24:50

Because. You have to make it past

24:52

the local authority. And snitches

24:54

were constantly on the lookout for

24:57

runaways. Cel see that caught you

24:59

were returned back to the laundries

25:01

and the nuns would then punish

25:03

you. By sending you to a

25:05

different mantle and laundry. Which

25:08

may not seem that bad,

25:10

but it met your sentence.

25:12

was essentially now starting over.

25:14

Day. One baby. So a lot of

25:16

women just shut the hell up and

25:19

waited to get through the system until

25:21

they were released. Didn't want to cause

25:23

any problems, right? But there was no

25:25

guarantee of when you would get out

25:28

or yes, he would get out at

25:30

all. And when he was path like

25:32

worse than a prison Because at least

25:34

in prison you know how longer sentences

25:36

either get an hour is in life

25:39

in present rain. Save all easy Now

25:41

Woman can be there for a few

25:43

weeks for a decade and. Many

25:45

mean never got out. You.

25:47

Can either a scape word the hope

25:50

that a Relic Hands would come and

25:52

get you? Otherwise, you are pretty much

25:54

stuck there. Your best hope was to

25:56

follow the rules, improves the nonsense you

25:58

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26:00

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the first and most important rule of

27:09

the magdalen laundries was a zip your

27:11

lips the laundries were

27:13

said to be very quiet no

27:16

talking no relationships rules at all

27:18

times you were not allowed to

27:21

have friends or make small talk

27:23

or even like gossip at

27:25

all so except for church or

27:27

work it was dead

27:29

silent all of the time but

27:32

if you did manage to sneak a letter out there

27:34

would be nuns who would make it

27:36

their job to intercept and

27:38

destroy the letters before they reached

27:40

anyone they were silencing them and

27:42

keeping them further and further away

27:44

from their families the nuns would

27:46

also play psychological mind games with

27:48

these women they would constantly tell them

27:51

that they were nothing that they came

27:53

from nothing that they would never be

27:55

anything and they took advantage of how

27:57

vulnerable and lonely they were they wanted

27:59

them to You forget about. The

28:01

outside world in force them

28:03

to focus on working. And

28:05

the work they had a deal is hard.

28:07

Most of these girls were under age and

28:09

they were. Doing the work. A full

28:12

grown men every morning, trucks full

28:14

of dirty clothes and when inward

28:16

jumped at the laundries doorstep. Women

28:18

were woken up by the sound of a

28:20

bell at six am. A rush

28:22

to to work when my

28:24

mind here's laundry. It

28:26

being said laundry machine right The

28:29

girl says long time ago okay

28:31

how the laundry was done by

28:33

hand woman would be washing. yeah

28:35

not free nasty laundry a hand

28:38

in high school buckets. It was

28:40

said intel like their hands turned

28:42

blue when the closer finally washed

28:45

and. Home to dry stay then had

28:47

to be ironed. With these industrial

28:49

like super dangerous irons for our

28:51

and these irons would cause serious

28:53

burns on the women In my

28:55

mind I was picturing like to

28:58

the scene in Willie Wonka were

29:00

Charlie's mom is steering that giant

29:02

part of close in a column.

29:04

sang soo by. always thought it

29:06

was. Not was unsealed of

29:09

those clothes com as that. The

29:11

no one was singing and obviously there was

29:13

no chocolate bar. The money that the laundry.

29:15

Made went right back into keeping the

29:17

laundry. Open. The woman didn't. See a

29:20

dime of that money? Or why would

29:22

they her? Not. For you silly

29:24

rabbit, they were forced to work in

29:26

this prison springs for free. For me

29:28

to call it essentially a slave labor.

29:31

School. Was they were also. In

29:33

charge of keeping the prisons absolutely

29:36

spot less top to bottom they

29:38

would be on their hands and

29:40

knees on the cold stone force

29:42

scrubbing and scrubbing until the nuns

29:44

came and told them to stop.

29:47

Many women reportedly had walking issues

29:49

from cleaning on their knees all

29:51

day. After. All this manual

29:53

labor these women can even look for.

29:55

It is like taking a break from

29:58

meal because the food situation. When.

30:00

Barely their. The nuns believe there

30:02

shouldn't be any comfort at these

30:04

laundries, and this included food. This

30:07

meant if he were living in

30:09

a laundry, you are constantly on

30:11

the verge. Of starvation, bread and

30:13

water was really all you could

30:15

count. On and we know least you

30:17

get some frozen vegetables in. Prison, you

30:19

know? Sad at the numbers

30:21

were making a comparison to prison Jersey

30:23

how? well whatever but it was worth

30:26

and prison it really was. And if

30:28

you happen to like act up or

30:30

give the nuns attitude. And.

30:32

Have no. Food this

30:34

week for you. One.

30:36

Survivor name Marina gambles remembers

30:39

a none, punishing her by

30:41

withholding food seeing quotes, I

30:43

lost my temper once she

30:46

got her. Strange. And she tied

30:48

around my neck for three days

30:50

and three nights in a how.

30:52

To get down on my knees and eat

30:54

off the floor for three. Days.

30:57

Yeah, apparently low. Marina was eating food

31:00

off the ground with a swing around

31:02

her neck choking her. She had to

31:04

look up at this nun who was

31:06

like sitting on her, her throne in

31:09

front. Of her and beg for

31:11

God's forgiveness because of punishment like

31:13

this, Most women just kept their

31:16

heads down and would pray and

31:18

pray to be released. Along

31:21

with the isolation, physical abuse,

31:23

and forced labor, there were

31:25

reports that the women and.

31:27

Girls. Had experienced sexual abuse

31:29

inside the Magdalene laundries. as

31:32

well from the priests. That.

31:34

They were expected to trust and of

31:36

course the nuns were gonna say they

31:38

about a i mean who knows maybe

31:41

the nuns were doing and still. One.

31:43

Of the people who had endured sexual

31:45

abuse at the Laundry, so was a

31:48

woman named Bridgehead. Young Frigid didn't hasn't

31:50

we live within the maximum. laundries

31:52

the she lives in the orphanage

31:54

that was connected to one and

31:56

bridget dealt with the names from

31:59

the lawn like daily. She was

32:01

constantly told by the nuns that

32:03

the women in the laundries were

32:05

quote women of the devil

32:07

and quote one

32:09

of those women was actually Brigid's mother

32:12

but she was forbidden to have like any

32:15

contact with her. The nuns didn't want

32:17

the women within the Magdalene walls to

32:19

have any contact with others even

32:21

if it was the orphanage next door. The

32:24

girls were allowed to talk

32:26

to the priests you know and

32:28

some of the Magdalene laundry priests would

32:30

have these private Bible lessons with some

32:32

of the more troubled

32:35

girls. Brigid was one

32:37

of them. She had

32:39

private lessons with the priest but

32:41

they weren't talking about scripture

32:44

or anything like that. Instead he

32:47

would masturbate in front of her and

32:50

then ejaculate all

32:52

over her. It was just disgusting. It

32:55

was disgusting. Brigid for the longest time

32:57

didn't know what was going on because

32:59

in the orphanage I mean there was

33:01

no sex education so she knew something

33:04

was like off and wrong

33:06

but she also just didn't have the

33:08

verbiage for it and on top of that

33:10

she knew that the priest was the highest

33:12

authority and you just you

33:14

didn't question anything he did. Apparently the

33:17

psycho would do this to Brigid over

33:19

and over again and always

33:21

before his mass on Sunday

33:24

mornings. Yeah

33:27

and if he was doing it to her it's like how

33:30

many other girls was he doing this to?

33:32

Now by some miracle you survived

33:35

and you were released you

33:37

were usually kicked out without warning

33:39

without money and with like the

33:41

only thing you had was the

33:43

clothes on your back and because

33:45

you had zero communication with the

33:48

outside world you were likely starting

33:50

your life over from scratch. Many

33:52

survivors straight up left Ireland because

33:54

they didn't want to carry the stigma

33:56

of having been in a laundry. I

33:58

guess it was kind of like a

34:01

scarlet letter. I mean, it's easy

34:03

to think that these are the worst

34:05

of the stories, but these are

34:07

only a few stories from a

34:09

few survivors. Most women didn't

34:11

get a chance to talk about their

34:14

experience. And a lot of the

34:16

women just didn't wanna relive the trauma. You

34:18

know, you don't blame them at all. They

34:20

just wanted to forget about this and

34:22

forget it even happened and move on with

34:24

their lives. But still, by this point in

34:27

the mid 1900s, hundreds

34:29

of women were still going in and

34:31

out of these institutions. By

34:34

the 1970s, it finally started to die

34:36

down, but there were only 660 women

34:38

who were admitted to

34:41

the laundries in that 10 year

34:43

period, which is, it's improvement, right?

34:46

I'd love to say that this was because

34:48

society was getting more progressive, but no. Industrial

34:52

laundry machines were replacing manual

34:54

laundry. So like there wasn't

34:57

such a big need for

34:59

cheap, AKA free laundry labor.

35:01

By the 80s, only 147 women were sent

35:03

to the laundries. And

35:08

by the 90s, there were only

35:10

eight new women admitted, which

35:14

good, good. But it's wild to

35:16

think that at the same time on

35:19

like the other side of the world,

35:21

women in America were burning their bras

35:23

at like Woodstock having orgies in the

35:26

park, you know? Meanwhile, in Ireland, they're

35:28

throwing girls in prison for showing an

35:30

ankle. Wild, huh? Like

35:32

those two realities don't feel like they

35:35

should be able to overlap, but they

35:37

do. And they did for

35:40

way too long. I mean, 231 years to

35:42

be exact. That's

35:45

so many generations of trauma and

35:47

lives just being completely ruined. And

35:50

I know I've said it before, but so many

35:52

people outside of Ireland, they've never even heard

35:54

about this, you know? I mean, I know

35:56

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35:59

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until this point in the early 90s,

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the laundries were basically like an open

36:42

secret in Ireland, which I don't know

36:44

if you know, but it's a pretty

36:46

small country. And because of the chokehold

36:48

the Catholic Church had on Ireland, people

36:51

were kind of, you know, brainwashed

36:53

into thinking that anything that was run

36:55

by the church was good.

36:58

I mean, yeah, sure, there were rumors

37:00

about abuse going on, but if it's

37:02

the word of, you

37:04

know, a girl versus the word of

37:06

a priest, a man of God,

37:08

who do you think people are going to believe? In

37:12

1993, the Sisters of Our Lady of

37:14

Charity sold part of their convent

37:16

to a property developer. And

37:20

this is when a discovery happens, okay?

37:22

You know what they come across? A

37:25

mass grave. There

37:27

were 155 bodies were found, all

37:30

former laundry inmates. And

37:33

this was just one property. Obviously,

37:36

this gets into the press. And these

37:38

journalists discover that for those 155 bodies,

37:40

there were only 75 death certificates. The

37:47

math ain't math then, hmm? So

37:50

there are only death certificates for half

37:53

of the bodies, which I'm

37:55

sure we can all agree. Pretty shady.

37:57

But before anyone could like step in and-

38:00

do anything, the nuns,

38:02

they go and they

38:04

rebury the remains in

38:06

another grave site and announce

38:08

that there's been some kind

38:10

of administrative error. Silius.

38:14

But silver lining, I guess? With

38:16

the alignment finally on the laundries, people

38:18

feel safe enough to like come and

38:20

like speak out about their experience. Survivors

38:23

of the Magdalene Laundry System begin

38:26

to come forward and share

38:28

their own horrific experiences, like

38:30

a survivor named Kathleen

38:32

Legge. She was one

38:34

of the women who willingly sent herself to

38:36

the laundries. When Kathleen was

38:39

14, she and her single mother were

38:41

living a very tough life. They

38:43

were essentially scraping by. So

38:45

they talked about how she could, you know, make

38:48

something of her life just to get out of

38:50

the crappy situation she was

38:52

in. They decided the best thing

38:54

to do would be to continue her

38:56

education with the nuns.

38:59

The nuns were trusted by everyone, you know?

39:02

At this place, she could learn new

39:04

life skills. And most importantly,

39:06

her mom thought that the nuns would

39:09

watch over her and like give her a

39:11

safe place to live. Nobody knew, you know?

39:14

Kathleen described her experiences, quote, you

39:16

operated like a robot and you

39:18

did not dare question a nun. We

39:20

bathed once a week and I remember the lice

39:23

from our hair used to float around the top

39:25

of the water. So if you

39:27

were one of the last to get washed,

39:29

it was horrific. Could

39:32

you imagine? I

39:35

mean, think about it. I bet after like a week of all that manual

39:37

labor, you'd be like dying

39:39

for a bath. You stink. But

39:41

imagine being the last one to bathe.

39:45

Girl, I don't care. I

39:47

would be like, no, I'm good. I also like asked

39:49

for another week, you know, I'm not taking a dip

39:51

with the lice. According to the

39:54

Irish central staff, quote, the

39:56

discovery turned the Magdalene laundries from an

39:58

open secret to. front page news.

40:01

Suddenly women begin to testify

40:03

about their experiences at the institutions

40:06

and to pressure the Irish government to

40:08

hold the Catholic Church accountable. I know,

40:10

so this got me thinking, like how

40:12

is the government going to investigate this

40:14

properly if they were involved too? But

40:16

this was bigger than the church. Now

40:19

that the cat was out of the bag,

40:21

it was becoming more clear that this laundromat

40:24

that was operating in plain sight

40:26

was a massive human rights violation.

40:29

So the United Nations steps

40:32

in and goes to the big

40:34

daddy of the Catholic Church, the

40:37

Vatican, and they're like, look,

40:39

listen, bitch, this is fucked up. You gotta

40:42

stop. I imagine

40:44

they sent the priest. Technically what

40:46

they actually said was

40:48

that, quote, girls at the

40:50

laundries were deprived of their

40:52

identity of education and often

40:55

of food and essential medicines

40:57

and were imposed with an

40:59

obligation of silence and prohibitance

41:01

from having any contact with

41:03

the outside world. And thank God that

41:05

the UN stepped in because once

41:08

they put the church on blast, it was

41:10

only a matter of time before the last

41:12

Magdalene laundry was shut down for good. And

41:14

the evidence just kept piling up. More

41:17

and more women were speaking out, more

41:19

bodies were found, and more

41:21

priests and nuns were shitting

41:24

their pants. It's discovered

41:26

that over 300,000 women passed through the Magdalene

41:30

laundries and we don't even

41:32

know how many of those women had died.

41:34

Do you think they were keeping track? Of

41:36

course not. Come on. And finally, on October

41:38

25th, 1996, the last

41:41

laundry in existence closed its doors

41:43

permanently. It was called Our Lady

41:45

of Charity in Dublin. In its

41:48

heyday, it had about 150 women

41:50

who had been working there. And by 1996, there

41:53

were only 40, and as

41:55

of October 25th of that year, they

41:58

were finally free. to

42:00

go. In 1998, a

42:02

documentary comes out that sheds even more

42:05

light on the truth about these laundries.

42:07

It was called Sex

42:09

in a Cold Climate. I

42:12

just feel like, look, I'm not trying to

42:14

be judgmental, but like, I feel like they

42:16

could have picked a better name, right? Sex

42:18

in a Cold Climate? Out of everything else,

42:20

whatever. It told the true

42:23

stories of four survivors. Something

42:25

I thought was interesting in that

42:27

documentary, they called the laundries the

42:30

Magdalene Asylums. So

42:32

it was like a little rebrand

42:34

because yeah, laundry was always the

42:36

cover up. I mean, they

42:39

were technically asylums. Now, thanks to this

42:41

movie and the other one I mentioned,

42:43

the Magdalene Sisters, which came

42:45

out in 2002, there was now even more pressure on

42:49

the Irish government and the

42:51

Catholic Church. Now people wanted

42:53

a public apology to all

42:55

of the women that they had

42:58

wronged. And at this point, a

43:00

bunch of organizations came together and

43:02

demand formal investigations led by the

43:04

United Nations Committee Against Torture.

43:07

Finally, in 2001, the state

43:09

does acknowledge that the women

43:11

of the Magdalene Laundries were

43:14

indeed victims. Wow,

43:17

progress. But before they can officially

43:19

assign any blame, they

43:21

say they need to investigate themselves.

43:23

The government was basically like, yeah,

43:25

that sucks. But don't look at

43:28

us. It was a church. In

43:31

2013, a report

43:33

comes out. The Irish state admitted

43:35

they were involved with the Magdalene Laundry

43:37

abuse. The report was

43:40

led by Martin Mechelis. Martin

43:43

was a devout Catholic, and

43:45

he was married to a former

43:47

president of Ireland. So and I

43:49

think it's safe to say not

43:51

the most neutral person to be

43:53

leading this investigation, but okay.

43:56

And surprise, surprise. The report

43:58

came back saying, quote, Women

44:00

employed in the laundry endured difficult

44:03

working conditions and verbal abuse,

44:05

but there was quote no proof

44:07

of sexual or physical abuse at

44:09

the laundry facilities. Like

44:12

I'm a what a slap in

44:14

the face to all of the survivors who

44:17

finally got the courage to like speak out,

44:19

you know? Of course you're not going to find

44:21

evidence. How do you find evidence of like sexual

44:23

abuse? Unless in the moment or

44:25

like after the fact you go and you

44:27

like report or something, but a lot of

44:29

people don't do that, blah blah blah, you

44:31

know? Like it was just disgusting. But

44:34

thankfully others handled it better. The

44:36

prime minister of Ireland publicly apologized

44:39

for the treatment of the Magdalene women

44:41

on February 19th, 2013. So

44:45

yeah, like 20 years after the discovery

44:47

of the graves. Thanks.

44:50

He said quote, on behalf of the

44:52

state, the government and our citizens, I

44:55

deeply regret and apologize unreservedly to all

44:57

those women for the hurt that was

44:59

done to them. For any

45:02

stigma they suffered as a result of

45:04

the time they spent in the Magdalene

45:06

laundry. We now know that

45:08

the state itself was directly involved

45:10

in over a quarter of all

45:12

admissions to the Magdalene laundries end

45:15

quote. Oh shit. It kind

45:17

of sounds like they're trying to like get out

45:19

of taking all of the blame. He

45:21

also agreed to pay the survivors 58 million

45:24

euros, which is about $75 million. Survivors

45:28

could get between 15,000 and 130,000 depending on how long they were at

45:30

the laundries. These

45:35

women were told that they would

45:37

also receive state funded retirement and

45:39

free medical care and

45:42

some did. But according to

45:45

our expert, it was a very

45:49

fishy situation and the government made

45:51

it really difficult for these women

45:54

to like claim any money. And

45:56

I think we all know this by now, but I'm going to say

45:58

it again. fix, the

46:00

trauma, and all the bullshit they went

46:02

through. Money isn't gonna bring back one

46:04

of those who was like buried,

46:07

you know? I don't

46:09

know. During this whole investigation,

46:11

the state starts doing the math.

46:14

And it's reported that in a 74 year period from 1922

46:16

to 1996, 14,000 documented women were

46:25

sent to the laundries. And that's only the

46:27

women who had a paper trail. These are

46:29

women who would likely still be alive if

46:31

they had made it out. Plus, that's only

46:34

74 years out of the 231 that

46:39

the laundries were open for business.

46:41

So, okay. The real number is

46:43

probably more than we can even

46:45

imagine. And then another really horrible stat

46:48

comes out. Between 1954 and 64,

46:50

over half the women

46:55

trapped in these laundries died

46:58

there. What? Over half?

47:00

Yeah. The fuck? What's

47:03

wild is that even after all

47:05

of this comes out, the church

47:09

was still refusing to apologize.

47:12

Why do they hate apologizing? Isn't

47:14

it in the Bible that you

47:17

should apologize, church? They

47:19

were pissed that the

47:21

Irish government was calling them out

47:23

and publicly criticizing them. Okay? Now,

47:26

many nuns and priests still believed

47:28

that they had done nothing wrong

47:31

and that the laundries were ultimately

47:33

more good than bad. Claire McCormack,

47:36

a journalist, interviewed two nuns who

47:38

asked to remain anonymous. Bitches.

47:41

One of them said, quote, apologize for

47:43

what? Apologize for providing a service? We

47:46

provided a free service for the country.

47:48

There was a terrible need for a

47:50

lot of those women because they were

47:53

on the street with no

47:55

social welfare and starving. We

47:57

provided shelters for them. nuns

48:01

a little delulu okay a little delulu

48:03

but oh whatever like a little

48:05

aggressive too like just chill just

48:07

say sorry that's whatever it wasn't

48:09

until 2018 the church

48:12

acknowledged that what they had

48:14

done was wrong that year the

48:16

Pope visited Ireland which was like

48:18

a huge deal because a Pope hadn't been

48:20

to Ireland since the 70s he came

48:22

like with bell-bottoms and stuff back then and smoking

48:25

a cigar but not this time and

48:27

when he got there it was said

48:29

that Pope Francis spent most of his

48:31

two-day trip in Ireland on

48:33

an apology tour I mean yeah

48:36

he better he gave a whole

48:38

speech asking for forgiveness for multiple

48:40

things and when it became clear

48:42

he was referencing the laundries everyone

48:45

who was there applauded again it's

48:47

like okay 22 years too late

48:49

but okay okay in 2022 the

48:52

Irish government announced that the last

48:54

standing Magdalene laundry building would be

48:57

turned into a memorial for all

48:59

of the quote thousands of unmarried mothers

49:01

and other unwanted women who were

49:03

forced to work without pay in abject

49:06

conditions often until they died

49:08

end quote there

49:11

seems to be this trend on dark

49:13

history of things starting out

49:15

with great intentions right and

49:17

then they just take a fuck

49:20

and sharp left right just

49:22

wildly out of control they

49:24

get they get crazy especially

49:26

when money gets involved doesn't

49:29

matter if you're a CEO or

49:31

devout nun money and

49:33

power can corrupt anyone and

49:35

we still don't know everything about the

49:37

laundries did they search all

49:40

the properties for more victims more

49:42

bodies anything like that and

49:44

shouldn't they I mean there's still

49:46

more coming out and some

49:49

of these survivors are still waiting on

49:51

their payouts from the Irish government hello

49:53

Irish government can you please get a

49:55

move on thank you and

49:57

the story of the Magdalene laundry isn't

50:00

even over. There are still new

50:02

details being discovered by groups

50:04

like the non-profit research group

50:07

Justice for Magdalene's. They're

50:09

doing incredible work to shed light

50:11

on everything that happened to the

50:13

fallen women. Definitely check them out

50:15

if you can at jfmresearch.com. I'll

50:17

link them in the description box

50:19

as well, but what they're doing

50:21

is incredible. And there's also a movie

50:23

that's supposed to come out this year about

50:26

the laundry starring Killian Murphy.

50:28

It's called Small Things Like These, but

50:31

I guess it's based on a book, so I'm

50:33

definitely gonna check that out for sure. There

50:35

seems to be serious interest in this

50:37

story, which is great since it has

50:39

been buried for so long. Next

50:42

week I get into something that affects the

50:44

entire world. It's a

50:46

tradition that's older than Jesus, and

50:48

one unofficial event involved throwing women

50:51

off a cliff. It used to

50:53

be something celebrated by the average Joe,

50:55

and now it's a

50:57

billion-dollar industry. I'm talking the

51:01

Olympics. Every

51:04

four years we're supposed to get

51:06

all excited and be like America,

51:08

yeah! But my question was like,

51:12

for what? Why? Why

51:14

do we do this? Does anyone know? Well

51:16

next week we're going to be talking about

51:19

the dark history of the Olympics, and I

51:21

hope to see you there. Well

51:23

friends, thank you so much for hanging out with

51:25

me today. Sorry to drop this awful story on

51:27

you, but now you know. Join

51:29

me over on my YouTube where you can

51:31

watch these episodes on Thursday after the

51:33

podcast airs, and while you're there you

51:36

can also catch my murder mystery and

51:38

makeup. I'd love to hear your guys's

51:40

reactions to today's story, so make sure

51:42

to use the hashtag dark history over

51:44

on social media so I can follow

51:46

along and see what you're saying. Now,

51:49

your favorite part, John, let's read a couple

51:51

of your guys's comments that you left me.

51:54

Ooh, ScribBabbles left us a

51:56

comment on our Valentine's Day

51:58

episode saying In

52:01

response to the vinegar valentine, there

52:03

used to be, maybe it

52:05

still exists, a rejection phone line

52:07

where you could find a phone number on

52:09

your area code and give it as your

52:12

phone number to people and it would let

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them know when they call it that

52:16

you're not interested. Trust me,

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I was given this, it's sad, I

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was given this phone number in middle school because

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I had a crush on this guy and he

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wasn't interested so he gave me this phone number

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and I was really excited and I called it and

52:29

it was a rejection number. Yeah.

52:33

But look at me now, hahahaha. Where's

52:36

he? I don't know. Fuck him. Amani38964

52:39

had a question

52:42

for me, asking, are

52:44

you involved in some form of witchcraft? I

52:46

don't know, I get that vibe from you. No.

52:52

But thank you, I guess, I don't know. What kind

52:54

of witch though? Someone with like the wart or the

52:57

mole or something, right? Like a cute witch? As long

52:59

as I'm cute. Thanks for your question.

53:02

But no. LexusMD commented

53:04

on our founding fathers

53:06

episode saying, love this

53:08

series on founding fathers. Have

53:10

you considered looking into the history of

53:13

birthdays? Thank you for all

53:15

you do, beautiful soul. Thank you so much.

53:19

At first I was like, is there something to learn about

53:21

birthdays? Isn't it just the day

53:24

that you're born? But look, I'll look it up.

53:26

I'll look into it and see if there's something

53:28

there. Thank you guys so much for leaving comments.

53:30

I appreciate it. I love reading them every

53:32

week. So keep them coming because

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you might be featured. Hey, if you

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don't know, Stark History is an audio boom

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original. This podcast

53:41

is executive produced by Bailey

53:43

Sarian, Junya McNeely from 3Arts,

53:46

Kevin Grush and Matt Enloh

53:48

from Maiden Network. Writers,

53:50

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53:53

and Alison Filobos. Production

53:56

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53:58

provided by Colby. Lean Five Smith,

54:01

a special thank you to

54:04

our expert, Natalie Sabam, Senior

54:06

Lecturer at the Sorbonne in

54:08

Paris, specialized in Irish history.

54:11

And I'm your host,

54:13

Bailey Sarian. I hope you

54:15

guys have a good rest of your day. You make

54:17

good choices and I'll be talking to you next week.

54:20

Goodbye.