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on Dateline. He said
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that the devil keeps making him do it. Oh
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wow. And I said, oh my god,
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you've done this before. What
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is going on? She
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just blurted out. When he
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was killed. She
0:49
was face down in the water. He
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called me very frantic. He was telling me
0:54
my sister was murdered. Two
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murders in the same apartment complex.
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I just couldn't believe it. This
1:03
is someone that's here. They're connected here. Living,
1:06
working. We got to
1:08
start looking at every male in this complex. He
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is going to strike again. I
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had a strong feeling that I was next. I
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saw a man in a mask. He
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asked me, do I feel the gun in my
1:22
back? And I said yes. It
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took a part in me. It
1:28
felt like a death. I
1:31
promise that I'll never quit unless God
1:33
takes my breath. We
1:36
got to get this guy. He was known
1:38
as the bathtub killer. Then he went
1:41
up against detectives determined to stop him
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come hell or high water. I'm
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Lester Holt and this is Dateline. Here's
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Andrea Canning with...
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and he gets a quarter. According to Tang,
6:02
he walked to the pool area and called
6:04
Christine on the apartment pay phone, but she
6:06
didn't pick up. He walks back
6:08
to the apartment, puts his key in, and this
6:10
time the door opens. Tang
6:12
said that's when he found Christine face down in
6:14
the tub. According to
6:17
his story, that meant
6:20
the suspect was inside the apartment, killing
6:22
her while he was sitting there smoking a
6:24
cigarette. And waited for him to, had
6:27
to wait for him to leave and was
6:29
able to exit and blend into the
6:31
community with him being in
6:33
that close proximity. No one was ever seen coming
6:35
or leaving the apartment. That's quite the story. If
6:39
Tang's story was true, the crime scene
6:41
investigators hoped the deadbolt could provide a
6:43
clue. They dusted it for prints.
6:47
You found a print. Yes. On
6:49
the door latch? On the
6:51
front door interior only deadbolt latch.
6:54
What condition was the print in? It
6:56
was a high quality latent print. Once
6:59
we lifted it and put it
7:01
on a card and looked at
7:03
it, there was a noticeable scar
7:05
in the finger. Investigators
7:08
had their first solid piece of evidence,
7:10
but would it lead them to the
7:12
boyfriend or someone else? He
7:15
had some scratches on his wrist,
7:17
his neck, and then he had some
7:19
marks on his back. That could be
7:21
consistent with someone fighting back. Absolutely.
7:25
The race to find Christine's killer was
7:27
on, but not before
7:29
investigators made another horrible discovery.
7:32
Carbon copy murder. It is
7:34
carbon copy deja vu. They
7:37
would eventually encounter several more
7:39
victims. I am
7:41
fearful, absolutely, but I'm also thinking, how do
7:43
I get out of this? He said, if
7:46
you cooperate, I'm not gonna kill you.
7:49
And detectives would need to unravel a
7:51
double life as
7:54
they confronted a killer beyond compare.
7:57
This man has to be stopped. Yes.
8:01
He has got to strike again. Christine
8:16
Vu had been found strangled to death
8:18
in her bathtub in Arlington, Texas. Detectives
8:22
were canvassing the pear tree apartment complex,
8:24
hoping a neighbor had seen or heard
8:27
something. Knocking on door
8:29
after door. Knocking on doors. Are
8:31
they getting anywhere? No one heard anything.
8:35
The only thing anyone actually heard was when Tang
8:37
Ku came out yelling and screaming.
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Based on Tang's account, investigators believed
8:42
Christine was murdered soon after arriving
8:45
home from work. The attacker
8:47
is taking a chance though. This is
8:49
brazen, committing a crime like that at
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that hour of the day. It's
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remarkably risky. This
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is such a bold and brazen act. Would
8:58
a perpetrator actually do this? Or
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would someone who would not worry
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about anyone seeing him come and go,
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who would not bring out any suspicion,
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come in and go do this and
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then stage the crime scene? Christine's
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brother remembers how hard her murder was on
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the family. It was very
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devastating, extremely devastating. She really
9:19
was the glue for our entire
9:22
family. She had a good
9:24
relationship with everybody, all the siblings, you know.
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Every sibling she loved equally. Christine
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was the second of five kids. She was born
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in Vietnam, but her family fled to the U.S.
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at the end of the war. Your
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parents were doing what was best for
9:38
their family. Exactly. It
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was a lot of unknowns and there was a
9:43
lot of fear and just had the opportunity to
9:45
exit the country, you know, for a better life.
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The family settled in Amarillo, Texas.
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Christine was quiet, studious, and helped
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look after her younger siblings. On
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Saturdays, she played teacher. suspicious.
12:00
Absolutely. It's like, why would the story change,
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you know? Did you question him on that
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and say, why are you changing? Absolutely not.
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I mean, it wasn't our place,
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number one, number two. Part
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of it is a little bit of fear, right? You're
12:14
fearful. Investigators had questions too
12:17
and had been grilling Tang at
12:19
the police station. What's his demeanor
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like when he's sitting there and
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you're looking at him as a
12:25
potential suspect? Tang is quiet-natured. He's
12:29
still upset. He's still obviously
12:31
insistent that he had nothing to do
12:33
with it. Voicing what can I do
12:35
to help y'all catch this person. We're
12:37
certainly listening to that, but
12:39
of course, guilty people do the same thing. They want
12:41
to redirect you. Tang provided
12:44
his fingerprints and consented to giving
12:46
his DNA. He also let
12:48
police do a physical examination. Did
12:50
Tang have any injuries on him? Scratches? He had
12:53
a few on his wrist, his neck, and then
12:55
he had some marks on his back. That
12:58
could be consistent with someone fighting back.
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Absolutely. Did he say where he got
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the scratches? He talked about
13:05
how the scratches came from playing with
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the dog. Did you buy that? Frankly,
13:09
no. So
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the investigators gave Tang a polygraph.
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How did he do? He failed two
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major questions. What were the questions? Did
13:18
you injure Christine and did you place
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a duct tape on her? Those are big
13:24
questions to fail. Those are huge questions. What
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was his response? His response is,
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I'm not lying. Detectives
13:33
weren't so sure, but without solid evidence,
13:35
they had to let him go. Tang
13:39
is still at the forefront. He
13:41
is still one of the primary suspects. Investigators
13:45
were eager to compare Tang's fingerprint
13:47
to the print lifted from Christine's
13:49
door latch. They were expecting
13:51
a match, but when the results
13:53
came back, Tang
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was excluded from those prints. So this is one
13:57
reason why you can't be putting all your eggs.
14:00
in one basket with Tang. Absolutely.
14:02
Someone other than Christine and
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Tang's prints are on that latch. If
14:08
Tang is not your killer, those are the prints of our
14:10
killer. A fingerprint
14:12
wasn't all police had. They'd confirmed
14:14
Christine had been sexually assaulted and
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there was DNA. They
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found male DNA from
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two separate males. And one of
14:24
the profiles came back to Tang.
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Which was no surprise to the detective
14:29
since Tang was Christine's boyfriend. The
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other DNA profile, however, belonged to
14:34
an unknown male. Could he
14:36
be the killer? That in itself
14:38
is frightening. Was that a shocker? When
14:41
you hear two? It's a
14:43
shocker, but... So one could be the assailant,
14:45
one could be the boyfriend. One could be
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consensual, one can be the
14:50
product of a sexual assault. But
14:53
that didn't mean Tang was off the hook.
14:55
Perhaps Christine was seeing someone else and her
14:57
boyfriend found out about it. Did
14:59
he find out? Did he kill her and sexually
15:02
assault her? It
15:04
was a puzzling case and it was about
15:06
to get much harder. Just
15:08
three months after Christine Vu's
15:10
murder, detectives would be back
15:12
at the pear tree apartments
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facing another grieving family and
15:16
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tree apartments were on edge.
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22-year-old Wendy Prescott was one
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of them. She lived in
16:57
apartment 1126, just a
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few hundred feet from Christine's place. We
17:01
were freaking out. Skyla
17:03
Taylor is Wendy's big sister. She
17:06
says, I can't wait till I move
17:08
out of the apartments. And we had
17:10
discussed moving in together when her lease
17:12
was up. You'd always been the protective
17:15
sister. I was very worried.
17:17
I would call her every day. Skyla
17:20
couldn't help but look out for Wendy after
17:22
a tragedy they'd experienced as little girls. Their
17:25
mother was murdered on her way home from
17:27
work. The killer never found.
17:30
How did that affect both of
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you and change the course of your
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lives? We got more close. We were
17:36
more close. I was like,
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I'm going to protect my sister because
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this is all we have. It was me,
17:43
my sister, my brother. That
17:47
was devastating. Their
17:50
aunt Brenda and uncle Norman took them in
17:52
and Wendy flourished. She
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was just so full of
17:57
life. This vivacious, just... She
18:00
would come in the room and just
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be so happy and make us all
18:04
laugh. It was just wonderful.
18:08
Tasha Fry still remembers meeting her best
18:10
friend Wendy on the playground during recess.
18:13
How old were you? I was like
18:16
nine or 10. At
18:18
third grade, she was in second grade.
18:21
And we hit it off every
18:23
since. So this friendship really endured
18:26
between you two, from the
18:28
playground all the way into adulthood. All the
18:30
way up until adulthood. You know, I'm going
18:32
off to college, full life ahead of me,
18:35
not married, and end up
18:37
getting pregnant at 20. And
18:40
it was Wendy. She was like, Tasha, we can do this.
18:43
Everyone needs friends like Wendy.
18:45
Absolutely. And Wendy
18:47
relished time with her friends and family,
18:50
cooking, shopping, and especially dressing up for
18:52
a night out. She
18:54
turned heads. Yeah, always.
18:57
The boys liked Wendy, and the women
18:59
wanted to be Wendy. That
19:03
is a good spot to be in. Yes, yes.
19:06
Wendy brought her fun and nurturing spirit to
19:08
her job as a teaching assistant. And
19:11
she wanted to be a teacher? Yes. So that was going to
19:13
be the next step? That was the next step. In
19:15
December 1996, Wendy was
19:17
looking forward to spending the holidays with her
19:19
family. On Christmas Eve, Skyla
19:21
was at home waiting for her to arrive
19:23
so they could go do some last minute
19:25
shopping. It got kind of late, so
19:28
I was like, huh,
19:30
Wendy hasn't called yet. Wonder
19:33
what's going on. She
19:35
thought maybe Wendy lost track of time.
19:37
She tried calling her, no answer. She
19:40
checked with Ann Brenda, who couldn't reach Wendy either.
19:43
She's like, I'm going to come
19:45
over there, and we're going
19:48
to go to her apartment.
19:51
They knocked on Wendy's door, no
19:53
response. Skyla had an extra
19:55
key. Her uncle grabbed it. When
19:58
he pushed, put it in the door, I guess he.
20:00
She shoved it in, and the
20:02
door just opened. So
20:05
it was like dark. I was standing
20:07
behind my uncle, and my friend was standing
20:09
behind me. She was holding me, and I
20:11
was holding my uncle. We
20:14
go in, and the apartment
20:16
was nice, normal. Nothing
20:20
seemed out of place until they reached the bedroom.
20:23
It looked like, you know, just like somebody
20:25
got out of bed, and she didn't make
20:27
her bed, which she normally always makes her
20:29
bed. Then her uncle looked
20:31
in the bathroom. I remember him
20:34
turning the light on. He didn't
20:36
see anything when he first went in, and then
20:38
all of a sudden I heard my uncle say,
20:40
f*** it. And
20:44
then me and my friend ran back, and
20:48
she was in the water. She
20:53
looked like maybe
20:55
three or four inches
20:57
of water, and she
21:00
was face down in the water. Her
21:03
legs were crossed, and
21:06
she had duct tape on
21:10
her legs, and
21:13
her arms were crossed on
21:16
her back. And
21:18
it had duct tape in
21:21
her mouth. Uncle
21:25
grabbed, and he was trying
21:27
to help her out with water, and
21:30
I just started screaming and yelling.
21:35
My friend ran out the door. I
21:37
ran out and just rolled down the
21:39
stairs, and all these people come out
21:41
of the apartment. What is wrong? I
21:45
was like, call 911. I called
21:47
911. Another
21:51
young woman killed in the same complex
21:53
as Christine Vu. Detective
21:55
Lenore was about to learn. This
21:58
was no coincidence. This
22:00
is horrifying because now I'm going, my lord, I've got
22:03
an individual responsible for two murders. And
22:05
he was running against the clock. So
22:08
it's more than catching a killer. You're
22:11
trying to prevent additional victims. It
22:26
was Christmas Eve 1996. Detective
22:29
Tommy Lenore was stealthily assembling the last
22:31
of the holiday gifts for his daughter.
22:34
A silent night, or so he
22:36
hoped. I am at home, putting
22:40
a Barbie house together, playing Santa Claus.
22:43
And I get the call. An
22:46
urgent phone call from his sergeant. 22-year-old
22:49
Wendy Prescott had been murdered at the
22:51
Pear Tree Apartments in Arlington, Texas. Christmas
22:54
presents would have to wait. Lenore was
22:56
the first homicide detective at the scene.
23:00
As he said, Detective Lenore, this
23:02
looks a whole lot alike with
23:04
Christine. And I said, I got to get in
23:06
there. So we walked in. And
23:09
when I saw that
23:12
crime scene, it was identical
23:14
to a murder that I've been working
23:16
for three months that is unsolved. Only
23:19
200 feet away. And
23:22
at that point in time, I
23:24
knew, number one, this was not an isolated incident.
23:27
And more importantly, I came
23:29
to the reality that this crime is
23:31
a continuance of three
23:33
months ago. Does that sound a chill down your
23:35
spine? It sounds a chill down your spine, but
23:37
it is a gut-wrench fear.
23:40
And one of the thoughts that go to my mind is this is number
23:42
two, my God, when am I going to see number three? I
23:44
don't want to see number three. Just
23:47
like Christine, Wendy had been strangled
23:49
and likely sexually assaulted. Once
23:51
again, no evidence of forced
23:54
entry. Everything is secure. Were the windows
23:56
locked? Windows were locked. He either came through the
23:58
front door or he was. broke
24:00
in and locked things behind him. Whatever
24:03
the case, it was unlikely he was let
24:05
in. Wendy kept a
24:07
baseball bat by her door. And
24:09
I'll tell you what that tells me, she's not gonna
24:11
open the door for somebody unless she knows them. Crime
24:15
scene investigator Joel Stevenson was also
24:17
at the scene and also stunned
24:19
by the similarities to Christine's murder.
24:22
It's eerie, all right? It's almost more than
24:24
that. It is just, I mean- Carbon copy
24:26
murder. It is. Carbon copy deja
24:28
vu. One difference,
24:30
Stevenson noticed that Wendy's clothes seemed to have
24:33
been carefully placed on a chair in the
24:35
bedroom. As we started
24:37
looking, examining that clothing, it was similar to
24:39
what we were told she was last seen
24:42
wearing, stacked from the way
24:44
you would take it off. Her
24:47
purse and two green pillow shams were placed
24:49
on top. So these clothes
24:52
being stacked as
24:54
they were told us that she
24:56
disrobed with no fear, calmly. There's
24:59
no fight at this point. Yeah, she
25:02
has no idea that anything's going on.
25:05
It looked to Stevenson like the killer had been
25:07
lying in wait. We think he's
25:09
in the closet. That's what the evidence
25:12
is kind of suggesting. And
25:15
this time some belongings appeared to
25:17
have been stolen, including a VCR,
25:19
telephone, and answering machine. If
25:21
this was the same perpetrator, he seemed to be
25:23
skilled at breaking and entering. You
25:26
don't become that criminally
25:29
sophisticated overnight. You
25:32
don't just wake up and have the ability to
25:35
get inside of a woman's apartment and three
25:37
months later get inside of another woman's apartment.
25:41
But even the most sophisticated criminal
25:43
makes mistakes. While swiping
25:45
that VCR, the killer appeared to
25:47
have left behind a thumbprint, a
25:49
particular kind of print. And
25:53
it's very important to know about
25:55
dust prints. They're remarkably vulnerable because
25:57
the slightest, and I mean the
26:00
slightest, The slightest breeze or motion
26:03
will distort that thumbprint. But
26:05
it was so pristine
26:09
and so defined. You're
26:11
guarding that thing with your life. You
26:14
better believe it. It's a miracle that
26:16
does print survive. This was multiple hours
26:19
into the investigation and nobody had laid
26:21
a clipboard, notebook, sat on,
26:23
leaned on that area of pain. Oh
26:25
my gosh, that's so scary to think
26:28
that that easily could have happened. The
26:32
print was photographed with the hope that there
26:34
would be a match in the FBI's fingerprint
26:36
identification system. Now police had
26:39
a thumbprint from Wendy's apartment and
26:41
an index fingerprint with a scar
26:43
from Christine's. They were different
26:45
fingers and couldn't be compared to each
26:47
other. But there was something they could
26:49
compare. A crime analyst
26:52
for the medical examiner's office recovered
26:54
DNA from Wendy's body. So
26:56
now you have prints and you have DNA.
26:59
Yes. It's a good start. It's a
27:01
very good start. We just gotta
27:03
find somebody that both of those match.
27:08
A match that could also tell them
27:10
with certainty if one person was responsible
27:12
for these crimes. You could
27:15
have a copycat killer. You just don't
27:17
know. But those
27:19
results would take a while and there
27:21
was a possible serial killer on the
27:23
loose. Now you have mass
27:25
panic. You don't
27:27
have fear. You don't have
27:29
concern. You've got absolute panic. ["The
27:43
The The The
27:46
Pear Tree apartment complex was suddenly the
27:49
best known address in Arlington, Texas for
27:51
all the wrong reasons. Who
27:53
killed 22-year-old Wendy Prescott?
27:56
It's the second murder investigation here
27:58
in three months. Once
28:01
Wendy was killed, it didn't even take a press
28:03
conference from the police department. You look up and
28:06
you see crime scene tape 200 feet
28:08
away from what just happened and
28:10
word spreads like wildfire. It
28:12
gets out and now, now
28:15
you have mass panic. You don't have
28:17
fear. You don't
28:19
have concern. You've got absolute panic.
28:23
Residents began packing up and leaving in
28:25
droves. You never know who it could
28:27
be, you know. That's
28:29
the reason why most people get out and don't know who it
28:31
could be next. This
28:38
entire area, especially where we're
28:40
standing, all of these apartments were vacated. So moving
28:42
trucks just pulling up, one after the next, out
28:44
of here. People
28:47
that are coming in from out of town to
28:49
get their friends, their daughters, it was
28:52
just incredible. I would do that. If
28:54
I was a young woman living here, I would
28:57
get the heck out of here. While
29:00
investigators waited for the results of the
29:02
comparison of the DNA samples taken from
29:04
the bodies of both victims and
29:06
for word of any matches to the fingerprints from
29:09
the crime scenes, they were trying
29:11
to figure out if Christine and Wendy knew
29:13
someone in common. Turned out they
29:15
might have. We found a
29:17
neighbor who actually worked for the school district
29:19
in another city, which is interesting because he
29:21
lived across from Wendy
29:24
Prescott. And at the time of
29:27
Christine Voo's murder, he lived
29:29
by her. Oh, so he moved within
29:31
the complex. And he had an educational
29:33
background. And he has an educational background. Just
29:36
like Wendy and Christine, who both worked at
29:38
elementary schools, Detective Lenore
29:40
interviewed the neighbor and collected blood,
29:42
saliva, and print samples. The
29:45
neighbor said he'd moved apartments so he could live
29:47
next door to his sister, who happened to live
29:49
right by Wendy. He was concerned
29:51
about his sister's safety after Christine's murder.
29:54
He just didn't want her to be put
29:57
in jeopardy. If in fact he is excluded,
29:59
it's just a crime. coincidence. In
30:01
the meantime, they learned more about Wendy. Wendy's
30:04
22 years of age, she's young, but
30:06
Wendy is a very outgoing
30:09
young lady with lots of
30:11
friends and lots of socialization.
30:13
Wendy's cousin, Nika, she
30:15
was the people person. Yes, we just
30:17
kept thinking like who or why, you
30:20
know, just why would someone even do
30:22
that? Wendy also had lots
30:24
of love interests. There was
30:26
one boyfriend in particular that concerned Wendy's
30:29
friend, Tasha Fry. She went to
30:31
the police about him after the murder. Wendy
30:33
was in a relationship that
30:35
had some issues. Yes,
30:39
we didn't like him. He
30:41
was verbally abusive. He was
30:43
emotionally abusive. It was like
30:46
he would try to break her down.
30:48
This ex-boyfriend wouldn't have any connection to Christine
30:51
Vu, but yet you can't just ignore
30:53
that she had issues with her ex-boyfriend.
30:55
Well, not only did she have issues
30:58
with him, she filed a harassment complaint
31:00
against him. He was an ex-boyfriend who
31:02
didn't really want to break up. So
31:04
I definitely had to find this guy,
31:07
bring him in, interview him, and knowing that
31:09
what evidence we have, I want to collect
31:11
his fingerprints, I want to collect his saliva
31:15
and blood for DNA. Was he cooperative? What was
31:17
he like when you interviewed him? He was actually
31:19
very cooperative with me, but he was
31:21
emphatic. I didn't kill anyone.
31:24
My concern is if that's not you, give
31:26
me your saliva, give me your blood, give
31:29
us your fingerprints, and let's exclude
31:31
you. Police again had
31:33
to wait for those results to come back.
31:36
Meanwhile, they expanded their search and began
31:38
the painstaking process of looking at any
31:40
men who had spent time at the
31:42
apartment complex over the past few months,
31:45
current and former residents,
31:47
locksmiths, maintenance workers. There
31:51
were a lot. It was almost overwhelming. It
31:53
was absolutely overwhelming. We had close to 500
31:55
leads, but that
31:57
is misleading in itself because... there
32:00
were several leads that had multiple suspects.
32:03
And these were the license plates that were
32:05
recorded in the apartment
32:07
complex when Wendy Prescott was killed. So you just,
32:09
you went around the apartment complex and
32:12
just started writing them down. Yes, we had, we had.
32:14
And then, yeah, I gotta look into everyone. Just the
32:17
license plate in itself can
32:19
identify many suspects. And we would sit in
32:21
that complex and it would be so frustrating
32:23
just to sit there watching people leave, knowing,
32:25
my God, is that my suspect? Is that
32:27
my suspect? Is that somebody that knows my
32:29
suspect? It's like finding a needle in a
32:31
complex. That's a pretty good cliche. They
32:34
checked alibis and collected fingerprints and DNA
32:36
from dozens of men with connections to
32:38
the complex. The long
32:40
list of leads was daunting. But then,
32:43
a call came in. The results from
32:45
the DNA samples taken from Christine and
32:47
Wendy were back. They were identical.
32:49
They were carbon copies. There's one killer out
32:51
there that you need to find. There was
32:53
one killer. We just don't know
32:56
who that killer is. They did know
32:58
who he wasn't. The DNA
33:00
results cleared the neighbor who'd lived
33:02
near both women, Wendy's ex and
33:04
Christine's boyfriend Tang. I
33:06
know it's a male that I can match DNA to if
33:08
I ever find them. And I know it's
33:10
a male that I very likely have prints I can
33:12
match to. Problem is, that male is a ghost. It's
33:17
nothing but air. Tommy Lenore
33:19
was stumped and it wouldn't be long
33:21
before the ghost he was hunting struck
33:23
again. But this time,
33:25
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33:30
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1999, Detective Tommy
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Lenore was growing impatient. Over
34:58
two years had passed since the murders
35:01
of Christine Vu and Wendy Prescott. He
35:03
was still conducting countless interviews and
35:05
collecting new DNA samples for testing.
35:08
Just taking a lot longer than you thought. It takes a
35:10
long time. If I were in a perfect world, it would
35:13
have been solved a lot quicker. Unfortunately
35:15
the world that I live in and what we
35:17
would deal with, it's not a perfect world. Shema
35:20
Benson, a recent transfer student at the
35:22
University of Texas at Arlington, was unaware
35:24
of the fear that had gripped the
35:26
area. Just a few months
35:28
away from graduating with a degree in public
35:31
relations, she'd finally gotten serious about her studies.
35:34
My freshman year I went to a different school,
35:36
so I would have rather been there, but I
35:38
was actually, my parents made me go to UTA.
35:40
And so we'll come back to Texas to finish
35:42
up because I was having way too much fun
35:44
and my grades weren't
35:47
so good. But Shema still
35:49
managed to keep a busy social life
35:52
at UTA. She joined Alpha Kappa Alpha
35:54
and moved into the sorority house near
35:56
campus. Shema's bubbly personality helped
35:58
her fit right in. And she balanced
36:00
her studies with her social schedule. I
36:02
was active in my sorority, so we
36:04
had step shows and community service, things
36:06
of that nature. That must
36:08
have brought even more happiness to
36:10
this, the college experience, having all these
36:13
new friends. Yes, yes, we had a
36:15
great time. But
36:18
everything changed one February night. Shema
36:21
chatted with a friend on the phone before bed. We
36:24
were on the phone for a long time when
36:26
we started talking about just guys in general. I
36:28
was saying that I don't like a particular
36:30
guy from the South because of the way
36:33
that they tend to approach me. And
36:35
not all Southern guys, just a certain type. No,
36:37
there was a particular type. Because I had a
36:39
date with a Southern gentleman in a few days.
36:42
So... So just girl talk? Yeah.
36:46
After she said goodnight to her friend, she
36:48
heard a strange rustling on the roof. She
36:51
didn't make much of it, thought maybe it
36:53
was an animal outside. She
36:56
began to drift off to sleep. But
36:59
then... I
37:01
just felt darkness or like evil.
37:03
I felt something not right.
37:08
It's hard to explain it, but it
37:10
was like an evil presence had entered
37:12
my space and it woke me up
37:14
and I was disoriented. And
37:17
then I made sense of what
37:19
I was seeing. Then I realized, oh my God, it's a
37:21
person. The story you're about to
37:23
hear is disturbing. I saw a man in
37:25
a mask. It
37:30
was dark. He had a gun. And
37:34
he said to not scream. Don't
37:37
scream and I won't kill you. This is
37:39
every woman's worst nightmare. Right. Yeah.
37:43
I wasn't thinking he was going to kill me. I was thinking
37:45
he's going to rape me. I didn't
37:47
even think about being killed. I was thinking
37:49
about being raped and how much I did not want
37:51
that to happen. Does fear just take
37:53
over your whole body? Are you just frozen?
37:55
I am fearful, absolutely. But I'm also thinking,
37:58
how do I get out of this? How
38:00
do I get out of this? Was there
38:02
anything around you that you could fight back
38:04
with? My keys, my keys were on the
38:06
nightstand and then just threw them at him.
38:09
And then I had my phone as well,
38:11
the handset that I threw at
38:13
him as well. Like an old phone, a
38:15
landline. An old landline, right. Shema
38:17
doesn't remember saying anything to the man,
38:20
but he made this chilling comment. So
38:23
he said to me, so you don't like
38:25
guys like me from the South, like he
38:27
was offended by me having
38:29
said what I said earlier on the
38:31
phone. So he was listening to your
38:33
phone conversation. Yeah, it did kind of
38:35
click for me there like, oh wow,
38:38
he heard what I said. He's been
38:40
out there this whole time. Things
38:43
escalated quickly from there. Shema
38:45
did what she could to try to protect herself.
38:48
And so I bit him. The man reeled
38:50
from the bite to his genitals. That
38:53
must have really angered him. Oh yeah. And so then
38:55
he started hitting me and hitting me and hitting me
38:57
in my face. That's
39:00
when the beating turned to sexual assault.
39:02
My brain was an overdrive. How did
39:05
he get there? Who is this person?
39:07
He's beating you and raping you.
39:09
Yes, and gets my clothes off.
39:11
And I don't really know how that happened, but I
39:14
know I was fighting back. Shema
39:16
says the attack seemed to go on for hours,
39:20
then suddenly stopped. I
39:22
heard the front door close. And once
39:24
I registered that the front door closed and it didn't
39:26
sound like he was coming back, I
39:29
got up and got into the mode of getting literally everything
39:31
I've been saying the whole time is how do I get
39:33
out of here? Now I can get out of here. Were
39:35
you able to call 911? No,
39:38
because I wasn't able to call 911. That
39:41
was my intention. I went to find the hands that
39:43
I threw at him. I could not find it. So
39:45
I went across the hall to my roommate's room, picked
39:47
up her phone, and there was no dial tone. Do
39:50
you think he had cut the phone lines? I do
39:52
think he cut the phone lines. So
39:54
I ran over across the
39:56
street to the fraternity house to
39:59
get help. Did
42:00
you believe that you had endured it, you made
42:02
it through, that you're alive? You
42:04
know, I didn't have that realization
42:08
right away. I
42:11
don't want to cry, but it took a
42:14
lot. I
42:17
think, honestly, it took a lot for me
42:19
to get to the point where I was
42:21
also grateful that I'm
42:23
still here. I
42:26
wasn't murdered, but
42:30
it still took a
42:33
part of me. It
42:36
still felt like a death in a sense. So
42:40
I wasn't like super grateful to be alive
42:42
at the time, to be honest. And
42:46
I did hear a lot of, oh, thank
42:48
God he didn't kill you. And
42:53
I was like, yeah, I guess. You
42:56
went through something just
43:00
extremely traumatizing. Yeah.
43:02
You know, and this is something
43:04
that every woman fears will
43:07
happen to her at some point, and it happened to
43:09
you. Yeah, this is true.
43:12
You just think evil like that will never touch
43:14
you. News
43:16
of Shima's attack spread quickly across
43:19
campus, scaring students like Wendy Prescott's
43:21
best friend, Tasha Fry. Turned
43:24
out she was also Shima's sorority sister.
43:27
To know he did that to Shima, that
43:29
was my line sister. That
43:31
wasn't just a sorority sister. We
43:33
pledged together. It was
43:36
hard for Tasha to fathom that yet
43:38
another friend had been targeted. This
43:40
time the attack hit much closer to
43:42
home. Shima was
43:45
brutally raped in the
43:47
room that I moved out of. I
43:49
immediately- Oh my gosh, Tasha. How do you
43:51
even- Shabam. Shabam.
43:55
I have no words. Yeah, me either. Me
43:58
either. Complete. Tasha
44:01
had only been in her new apartment for a month, but
44:03
she would still visit the sorority house
44:06
for meetings. I'm thinking, was he after
44:08
me? Did I
44:10
put her in a situation?
44:13
Was I the reason that she was
44:15
attacked? All the fear
44:17
and anxiety she felt after Wendy's murder came
44:20
rushing back. I was
44:22
a mess, mentally. I
44:25
don't even know how I was functioning.
44:30
Lightning doesn't strike twice. Yeah,
44:33
it did for you in the worst possible way.
44:35
In the worst possible way. It
44:37
was like reliving a horror all
44:39
over again. Wendy's
44:41
killer was still at large. Now,
44:44
so was Shima's rapist, but
44:46
this time, Tasha's friend survived.
44:49
What do you say to someone after something like that? What did
44:51
she say to you? What do you say? First
44:54
off, it was shocking because he broke her face. He
44:58
broke her face, this monster. Tasha
45:00
was wracked with guilt. She
45:02
thought she might know the rapist's identity, a
45:04
man she says had been stalking her for
45:06
months. You were being stalked?
45:09
By who? This guy that
45:11
we had all met together at
45:13
a first Friday party that was prevalent back
45:15
in the day. We had dated for
45:17
a little while. He got really
45:20
weird. So I ended
45:22
things and he wasn't taken now
45:25
for an answer. So what was he doing?
45:27
Just coming by, calling, making
45:30
accusations about we are needing to still
45:32
be together. Like you did this to
45:34
me, you did that to me. Like
45:36
it was just weird stuff. Tasha
45:39
moved out of the sorority house, but she was
45:41
told her ex kept showing up there. He'd
45:44
even come by hours before Shima's attack.
45:47
Now I'm scared for my life because
45:50
I'm like, is he after
45:52
me? After
45:54
Shima's rape, Tasha went to campus police
45:56
about her ex. They'd taken
45:59
the lead on Shima's. investigation. Tasha's
46:19
ex quickly became the lead suspect, and
46:21
campus investigators sent out to bring him
46:23
in for questioning. She
46:25
had mentioned her friendship with Wendy to them,
46:28
but didn't think Wendy's murder had any connection
46:30
to Shema. Tasha
46:45
had also complained about her ex to the
46:47
Arlington police. She told the
46:49
detective that her ex knew Wendy too. A
46:52
detective with our department brought this stalking
46:55
report to my attention. And
46:57
the reason being is because it
46:59
mentioned Wendy Prescott. As
47:01
soon as he read it, Detective
47:03
Lenore realized Tasha was the common
47:05
denominator between the two cases, Wendy's
47:08
and Shema's. I knew that
47:10
name because I'd been dealing with her back when
47:12
Wendy was killed. It all
47:14
seemed too much of a coincidence, Tasha
47:17
knowing two rape victims. Lenore
47:19
needed to know more about her stalker,
47:21
so he gave Tasha a call and
47:24
discovered a startling connection between Shema and
47:26
Wendy. He
47:40
immediately got on the phone with one of the
47:42
campus police officers. And I just
47:44
told him, look, we need to look
47:46
at this gentleman for a couple of reasons. Number one,
47:48
yeah, he may be your sexual assault suspect, but he
47:51
will could be my killer
47:54
because I have a connection with this guy
47:56
and with Wendy Prescott back at the time
47:58
of her murder. There was
48:01
only one way to know if Tasha's ex
48:03
was responsible for the murders at the pear
48:05
tree apartments and Shema's rape. A
48:08
DNA match. Is there
48:10
DNA with Shema? There is DNA.
48:13
So we sent that to the lab. If
48:15
the DNA in Shema matches Christine
48:18
and Wendy. If it matches Christine and Wendy, we know
48:20
for a fact that that's our killer. Yeah, that's good.
48:22
We just don't know that's this individual being named. It
48:24
was imperative that we got his prints and we got
48:26
his blood sample. But that
48:28
turned out to be much harder than
48:30
detectives anticipated. Tasha's ex refused
48:32
to provide a sample. Not
48:35
only was he not cooperative,
48:37
he was confrontational. He let
48:39
myself and the detective from UTA
48:41
know right up front, I'm not
48:43
giving you anything. This is highly suspicious. Oh,
48:45
it's beyond that. Detectives had to
48:48
wonder, did his lack of cooperation mean
48:50
he was hiding something? They'd
48:52
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48:54
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Lenore felt confident he was on to
50:19
the man who killed two women in
50:21
Arlington, Texas. The same man
50:24
he believed raped UTA student Shima
50:26
Benson. Tasha's ex-boyfriend.
50:30
Tasha had reported to police that her
50:32
ex had been stalking her. He'd even
50:34
shown up at the sorority house looking
50:36
for her hours before Shima was attacked.
50:39
Tasha might just lead you to your
50:41
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50:43
finding your killer. Absolutely. When
50:46
Tasha's ex refused to cooperate with police,
50:49
Detective Lenore went to the grand jury
50:51
to compel him to provide a DNA
50:53
sample. The next day,
50:55
the ex voluntarily agreed. And
50:58
when the results came back, he
51:00
was excluded from the
51:02
DNA. His DNA didn't match the
51:04
DNA found on Shima. But
51:07
Lenore had requested a separate
51:09
DNA test, comparing Shima's case
51:11
with the bathtub murders. Those
51:14
results confirmed his suspicions. I
51:16
get a report. The person that raped Shima
51:18
is your killer. Oh, so you got
51:21
a match. I got a match. We
51:23
are connected. The rapist
51:25
from Shima's case was the bathtub
51:27
killer. How do you
51:29
process news like that? He's accused of
51:31
killing two women. So
51:33
I think it really drove home
51:36
that, oh my God, I could
51:39
have very well been another one
51:42
of the victims. Detective
51:44
Lenore wanted to meet with Shima, so he
51:46
traveled to San Diego where she'd moved to
51:48
be with family. She was concerned
51:51
the attacker mentioned her phone call about Southern
51:53
men and believed he'd overheard her talking on
51:55
the phone to her friend. She
51:57
told Lenore she was also worried about
52:00
another conversation, a chat with a friend
52:02
at the mall before she was raped. She
52:04
told me of an individual she
52:07
was concerned about that may have
52:09
overheard her. She was saying some
52:11
pretty negative things about Southern men. And
52:14
this individual overheard
52:16
her. And so her thought was,
52:19
you don't think he came after me because
52:22
of this? It was her fear. And
52:25
I said, well, if you've got a fear, then I'm
52:27
going to address it. I'm going to listen to what you tell me
52:30
and we're going to find this person. And
52:32
we found him. Who is this guy? He
52:34
was a friend that knew Tasha. He was
52:36
in that circle. Lenore
52:38
discovered an even more ominous detail about
52:40
this man. Just two months
52:42
before Christine was killed, he'd moved into
52:44
the same apartment complex. Did
52:47
he have a criminal record? Was there anything to be
52:49
concerned about with this man? This person had no criminal
52:51
record. That doesn't really mean anything, but he had
52:53
no criminal record. The
52:55
man voluntarily spoke with Lenore and provided
52:57
a DNA sample. And when
52:59
the results came back, he was excluded.
53:02
So another frustrating
53:05
dead end. Correct. Shema
53:09
did give Lenore something important,
53:11
something his investigation never had
53:13
before, a description of the
53:15
bathtub killer. She didn't
53:17
seem well enough to be able to
53:19
give us a good physical description of
53:21
the face, but she was absolutely certain
53:23
he was an African-American male. What
53:25
that does immediately is I go back
53:28
to this casebook with probably two thousand
53:30
suspects and I exclude 70 percent
53:32
of them just like that. I
53:34
go to our apartment list, which is a separate
53:37
list, and we've got probably another 150 people on
53:39
that list. And
53:41
I cut that out and now it's down
53:43
to about 40. I felt more
53:46
optimistic about capturing this individual than
53:48
I ever had in this investigation for the
53:50
first time. There was just we are going
53:52
to get this guy. But
53:54
of course, with that energy and
53:56
with that optimism also came
53:59
this gigantic. bolder
54:01
of fear going, oh my God, he's
54:03
still doing this. So are
54:06
there other victims out there that we don't know about?
54:10
Detective Lenore widened his net and
54:12
put out feelers to surrounding law
54:14
enforcement agencies, including the
54:16
Grand Prairie Police Department. Grand
54:18
Prairie is near Arlington, so you're
54:20
thinking, why not? It's not only
54:22
near Arlington, it's on the east side, which
54:25
is not far from Pear Tree. And I went and met
54:27
a detective in Grand Prairie that I knew and worked with.
54:29
And I just said, do me a favor, I said, I need you to do something for
54:31
me. Go through all
54:34
of your sexual assaults. If
54:36
any of your suspects after February of
54:39
1999, if you have any,
54:41
and they're African American male and they committed,
54:45
if they meet this physical or if they
54:47
have some type of severe injury, some type
54:49
of bite injury, I said, let me know.
54:52
Two months after that conversation, Lenore's
54:55
phone rang. It was the
54:57
detective at the Grand Prairie Police Department. The
55:00
moment Lenore had been waiting years
55:02
for had finally arrived. He
55:05
says, I may have your
55:07
guy. The
55:22
bathtub killer had eluded police for three
55:24
years, but women around
55:26
Arlington hadn't forgotten him or what he
55:28
was capable of. Everything inside
55:30
of me knew that I was
55:33
going to be a part of
55:35
that story. It
55:37
was a premonition 22 year old
55:39
Adrienne Fields carried for years. She
55:42
had lived near the Pear Tree apartment complex
55:44
but left after the murders. And
55:46
even though she moved away, she couldn't shake
55:49
the feeling she would be the bathtub killer's
55:51
next victim. I started feeling
55:53
like someone was following me, coming
55:56
from work, it started seeming like someone's exiting
55:58
everywhere I exit. at the grocery
56:00
stores and I'm noticing someone's
56:03
following me, I'm like, I'm super,
56:05
I'm tripping. Her
56:07
uneasy feeling only grew. Adrian
56:09
was terrified to be alone, to
56:11
sleep by herself. But
56:14
in October, 1999, she decided to reclaim her life. I
56:18
wrote a letter to myself and I
56:21
was like, you are 22 years old and
56:23
today is going to be the first day of the rest of
56:25
your life and you are going to
56:27
sleep with the lights off and you are going
56:30
to listen to jazz. You're not going to have
56:32
a TV light. You know, you're going
56:34
to not have anybody spend the night with you,
56:36
you're going to be a big girl. She
56:40
taped the letter to her fridge and followed the
56:42
plan. Lights off, jazz
56:44
on. From bed, she
56:46
called her mother and sister to say goodnight.
56:49
While she was on the phone, she heard something.
56:52
Pop pop, is what it sounds like. My
56:55
sister says, I'm coming over. And
56:57
I said, no, don't come over. I
56:59
told you, I'm a big girl tonight. You've prepared
57:01
yourself for this night. I prepared myself, right. And
57:04
so she says, well, are
57:07
you sure? Are you sure you don't want me to
57:09
come over? And I'm like, I'm positive. Can
57:11
y'all just stay on the phone with me until I fall asleep? Adrian
57:14
drifted off, but an hour later,
57:16
something woke her. I
57:19
hear breathing and shh, shh,
57:21
shh, shh, shh, shh, the
57:23
sound and I'm praying,
57:26
Lord, please, please, please, Jesus. Like
57:29
at this point, I'm begging God not to
57:31
let anybody be there as I turn over. And
57:34
as I turn over, and it's like
57:36
I connect to Him in the dark. An
57:39
intruder wearing a stocking over his face was
57:41
in her bedroom. And he
57:43
sees me turn over. And
57:46
he takes off running towards me like really
57:48
fast. And
57:50
he jumps up on my bed. And he puts
57:52
the gun in my back. And I can
57:54
feel the coldness of the gun in my back. And
57:57
then I'm screaming. Does he say anything? He
58:00
said, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet,
58:02
be quiet, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet, like
58:04
that. And he puts his hand over my
58:06
mouth and he asked me, do I feel the gun in
58:08
my back? And I said, yes. And he said, if
58:11
you cooperate, I'm not going to kill
58:13
you. I'm not going to hurt you.
58:15
He said, stop screaming, stop screaming.
58:18
I won't hurt you if you don't scream. But
58:20
if you scream, I'm going to hurt you. Did
58:23
you think you were going to die? I did. I
58:26
did. Then the man began to rape
58:28
her. All of your
58:30
worst fears are coming true in
58:33
this moment. Yes. What does
58:35
he do next? He
58:37
tells me to get on the floor, just
58:40
directing me of what he wants. He's
58:43
telling me that he
58:47
wants me to act like there's no tomorrow. I
58:50
ask him, is there tomorrow? And
58:53
he says, of course there is. And
58:55
I said, but is there for me? And
58:58
he just stops and he's just standing there
59:00
and he's looking at me. I'm looking at
59:02
him and he says, yes.
59:05
Adrian didn't believe him. I'm crying.
59:07
He's asking me, why am I crying?
59:10
And I said, because I'm scared. You're
59:13
having a conversation with this man. The
59:15
entire time. He
59:18
started to ask me, what is your name? And
59:21
I wouldn't tell him my name. And so
59:23
he was like, well, how about I call you
59:25
Adrian? So
59:28
he knew my name. Oh my gosh. Oh
59:30
my gosh. Adrian. Mm-hmm.
59:33
It was real. That is so scary. So
59:38
right then you knew that
59:40
those times you felt like you'd been followed.
59:43
That changes everything. Right.
59:46
It changed everything for me. It was so
59:48
personal. What was inside of you that
59:50
instead of just going into a
59:53
shell and just wanting it to be
59:55
over, you're engaging with him? I
59:57
think it was just instinct, just survival.
1:02:00
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1:02:02
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1:02:04
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1:02:06
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1:02:08
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1:02:11
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1:02:14
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You ready for what's
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1:03:27
to the families of murder victims, and
1:03:29
they'll tell you, almost as agonizing as
1:03:31
the loss is the waiting that follows.
1:03:34
The loved ones of Wendy Prescott and Christine
1:03:36
Vu know that all too well. How
1:03:39
does that weigh on your family? You try to
1:03:41
move on, but you know in the back of
1:03:43
your mind, there's somebody out there free
1:03:45
that has committed a crime,
1:03:49
killed your sister, killed
1:03:51
your daughter, killed your niece, and
1:03:53
he committed the same crime to
1:03:56
somebody else's daughter, sister, niece, right?
1:03:59
And so it was... just
1:06:00
outside of Dallas. His print
1:06:02
was a match. And when
1:06:04
Stevenson compared the print from Christine's case to
1:06:06
the Burglars, it was a match too. So
1:06:10
these two prints that started out
1:06:13
this whole investigation could
1:06:15
now be the key to
1:06:17
finally solving this. They broke the
1:06:19
case open, gave us a
1:06:21
name and a person to put
1:06:23
with the prints. That name was number
1:06:26
17 on our list, original list of
1:06:28
people. The chameleon was
1:06:30
not a chameleon anymore. What was
1:06:32
the name? Dale Channette. Dale
1:06:36
Channette, Detective Lenore's ears
1:06:38
perked up. I go, I know
1:06:40
that name. Really? I
1:06:42
know that name because I know every name in these books.
1:06:46
So who is Dale Channette?
1:06:48
Dale Channette was one of the males
1:06:50
that was connected to the pear tree
1:06:52
apartments by lease as
1:06:55
a co-signer for a young woman who
1:06:57
was his girlfriend. Eventually he married her.
1:07:00
Channette wasn't high on Detective Lenore's list because
1:07:02
he'd never been arrested until that burglary in
1:07:05
1999, two and
1:07:07
a half years after the murders. I'll
1:07:10
use a cliche under the radar. He
1:07:13
was eventually going to be interviewed,
1:07:15
but he was so low on
1:07:17
that list. That is
1:07:20
the moment in this investigation.
1:07:22
Oh. This is it. You
1:07:25
finally have a name. I've got a name. Your
1:07:28
ghost is now alive. My ghost is a human being
1:07:30
and he's an evil human being and we are going
1:07:32
to arrest him. Detective
1:07:35
Lenore worked on getting an arrest warrant while
1:07:37
another team went to Channette's house. We
1:07:39
had a team that was set up surveillance
1:07:41
on the house. During this
1:07:43
time, once I got the warrant, once it was signed,
1:07:45
he actually came out of the house, got his vehicle
1:07:47
and left. The team followed him? They followed him to
1:07:49
arrest him. Where did they pull him over? They pulled
1:07:51
him over on this road that we're on right now,
1:07:53
coming up the street. And what was his reaction? What
1:07:56
word did you get back? He basically cooperated,
1:07:58
didn't say anything. But what's interesting is he
1:08:00
also didn't question why he was being arrested.
1:08:04
They brought Shanet to the station. He
1:08:07
agreed to talk to me. He was actually
1:08:10
soft-spoken, polite, and
1:08:12
sat down and we had a conversation. I asked him,
1:08:15
I said, you understand why you're here. You
1:08:17
know why you're here. You're here
1:08:19
because your print was matched
1:08:22
inside an apartment, the pear tree, plum tree apartment.
1:08:25
Dale Shanet denied ever being in the
1:08:27
victim's apartments. Lenore knew he
1:08:30
was lying. How on earth
1:08:32
would his fingerprint be on Wendy's TV stand
1:08:34
and on the interior of Christine's door? I
1:08:37
said, listen, well, if it's not you, let's exclude you. I can
1:08:40
do it through your print. I can do it through your DNA.
1:08:42
He says, I'm not going to give that to you. And
1:08:44
he's not getting upset. We've made it. Of course,
1:08:46
I had nothing to do with that. As an innocent person, I
1:08:49
would be in shock. But
1:08:52
as we're talking, he says, you
1:08:54
need to understand about my past. He
1:08:57
said, I was abused. What
1:08:59
do you mean you were abused? And he said, I
1:09:02
was sexually abused when I was a kid. Then
1:09:06
Shanet said something surprising. And
1:09:08
so we're talking and he says,
1:09:10
well, do you care about my life? It's
1:09:13
kind of caught me off a little bit. And I
1:09:15
was like, well, I gave him the general answer. Yeah,
1:09:17
I care about everybody's life. And
1:09:19
he says, then don't let me get the death penalty. That
1:09:23
was a curious request. He's
1:09:26
been denying all of this. You're denying, but yet you're saying,
1:09:28
please don't let me get the death penalty. Yeah,
1:09:30
you believe you're looking at a guilty
1:09:32
man. If I were in Vegas, I'd
1:09:34
put all the chips on the table. He goes,
1:09:37
I will tell you everything I know you want
1:09:39
to know and more. And more.
1:09:42
And what's the more? Are you thinking more victims?
1:09:44
Oh, good Lord. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
1:09:49
Lenore told Shanet he didn't have the authority to
1:09:51
make the call about the death penalty. That
1:09:54
was the end of the conversation. His response
1:09:56
was, if you can't do it, I want a lawyer. And
1:09:58
when you say that, it's over. I've had some
1:10:00
times getting up and walking out of a
1:10:03
room that were hard. That was one of the hardest. But
1:10:06
Lenore still had some cards to play. He
1:10:08
got a search warrant to physically examine
1:10:11
Shanette. That injury, exactly
1:10:13
where Shima described, was
1:10:16
still there. The
1:10:18
warrant also allowed the detective to collect
1:10:20
Dale Shanette's DNA. As
1:10:22
he waited for the results, he dove deeper
1:10:25
into his suspect's life and
1:10:27
discovered he was in a relationship with a
1:10:29
woman who, as it turned out, had a
1:10:32
lot to share with police and
1:10:34
us. Well, he
1:10:36
just preferred that I took baths.
1:10:39
I did that instead of the showers. The
1:10:43
twisted truth was coming to light. There
1:10:45
were more victims and buried
1:10:47
secrets Shanette was keeping. It
1:10:58
was the news Christine Vu's family had waited years to
1:11:00
hear. The search for her killer appeared to
1:11:04
be over. The Arlington Police Department reached out
1:11:06
to us as a family and
1:11:08
told us that they have somebody in
1:11:11
custody. What's that emotion like for you when you
1:11:13
get that news? It was fantastic because
1:11:15
leading up to that point, we
1:11:17
felt it was this was a cold case, nothing's going
1:11:19
to get done. And we felt like we were going to be
1:11:21
in a cold case. At that
1:11:23
point, we felt it was this is a cold case, nothing's going
1:11:25
to get done. No one's going to
1:11:28
get caught. Wendy Prescott's family felt the same and
1:11:31
they also had questions. Did you
1:11:33
know the name Dale Shanette? Had you ever heard
1:11:36
of this person? No, never
1:11:38
heard of him. And then
1:11:40
you find out the connection that he was the
1:11:43
boyfriend of a woman living in the complex. Yeah.
1:11:47
I mean, I wouldn't have never imagined that he was living there,
1:11:50
you know, that it was a resident. But
1:11:53
detectives learned Shanette hadn't lived in the pear tree apartments for long. In
1:11:56
fact, he moved out before Wendy was murdered.
1:12:00
a quiet life. He and
1:12:02
his girlfriend married, had a child,
1:12:04
and eventually divorced. At
1:12:06
the time of his arrest, he was living
1:12:08
with a new girlfriend we'll call Kay. I
1:12:11
would not think that he was capable of hurting
1:12:13
a woman. She asked us
1:12:15
not to show her full face. Do
1:12:17
you worry what people will think of you? I
1:12:19
just rather keep my peace and
1:12:22
serenity away from everything. Kay
1:12:24
says her world was turned upside down the
1:12:27
day Dale Channette was arrested. Police
1:12:29
surrounded the home she shared with him, then
1:12:31
came inside to search. They
1:12:34
took me to the police station. They wouldn't tell
1:12:36
me anything until I actually got into the police
1:12:38
station. And that's when they dropped
1:12:40
the bomb on you. They told me that
1:12:43
I had been in danger. And they said,
1:12:45
do you know what he's been held for? And I
1:12:47
said, no. What is your reaction to
1:12:49
the police when they tell you this news? Just
1:12:52
shock. Shock,
1:12:54
and also disbelief. Kay
1:12:57
remembered the bathtub murders. For
1:12:59
years, she says she lived in terror of being
1:13:01
the next victim. She even
1:13:04
shared her fears with Channette. I
1:13:06
told him that I never thought I would live
1:13:08
in Arlington because, you know, they never found a
1:13:10
guy who killed those women. How
1:13:14
did he make you feel when
1:13:16
you expressed your concerns? Well, he just
1:13:18
kind of dismissed it. And I said,
1:13:20
that's why I always chose to move
1:13:22
on the second or third floor. And
1:13:25
he said, well, that just isn't safe either
1:13:27
because people can get in on the second
1:13:29
or third floor as well. Kay
1:13:32
couldn't believe the man suspected of rape and
1:13:34
murder was the same man she'd once considered
1:13:37
her protector. What was
1:13:39
it about Dale that made you feel safe?
1:13:41
Well, he was a big guy. He was
1:13:43
muscular. And I always had a gun, a
1:13:45
pistol. You just knew that he was going
1:13:48
to be there for you if something bad happened. Yes,
1:13:50
I did. He had proven it before. If I needed
1:13:52
him, he was always there. Kay
1:13:54
says she met Channette at a local club where
1:13:56
he worked behind the bar. They dated
1:13:59
for about eight months. Detectives
1:14:01
later learned that Adrian also frequented that
1:14:03
club. How do
1:14:05
you two start talking? Well, he noticed
1:14:07
me and he approached me and asked
1:14:10
me if he could give me his
1:14:12
number. A month later, Kay called
1:14:14
him and the two started dating. She
1:14:16
says at first, everything seemed great. He
1:14:19
was really nice. He just gave me a
1:14:21
lot of attention, compliments and stuff.
1:14:24
But thinking back, red flags popped up.
1:14:28
He had a recorder tucked away under
1:14:30
a couch and I thought
1:14:33
that was quite odd. You found the
1:14:35
recorder? Yeah, he was recording my conversations
1:14:37
with my mom and family
1:14:39
members. Did you confront him about
1:14:41
it? I did. I asked him
1:14:43
about it. But he dismissed
1:14:45
it and we really didn't talk anymore about it.
1:14:48
She also brushed off an incident at her old
1:14:51
place before she moved in with Dale. Kay
1:14:54
had gone on vacation with a girlfriend and when
1:14:56
she returned, she says her neighbor told
1:14:58
her someone had been in her apartment. He
1:15:01
could hear the footsteps from the
1:15:03
downstairs apartment and then when I got
1:15:05
home, I couldn't unlock my door. And
1:15:08
I had to get the police to come
1:15:10
and open the door for me. And they told
1:15:13
me that it was locked from the inside, so whoever
1:15:15
was in there, they
1:15:17
exited through the balcony. Kay
1:15:19
suspected it was Dale, but decided to let it
1:15:21
go. Now that I
1:15:23
think about it retrospect, I have fears.
1:15:26
What were they? He just
1:15:28
gave you the demeanor like you just don't want
1:15:30
to push him too far. Was
1:15:33
Dale ever violent towards you? He
1:15:36
wasn't violent for the most part. But
1:15:40
one time, I decided I
1:15:42
was going to leave because we were getting
1:15:44
along bad. And
1:15:46
he did a restraining move on me and
1:15:48
held me and wouldn't let me get
1:15:50
up. Did it scare you? It
1:15:53
did because it seemed like his
1:15:55
expression changed and I didn't know
1:15:57
him for a second. hadn't
1:16:00
seen before. And
1:16:03
there was one more thing a request Channette
1:16:05
made that at the time Kay thought was
1:16:08
harmless. He preferred that
1:16:10
I took baths and so I did
1:16:13
that instead of the showers. I mean was this
1:16:15
something that he wanted to see you taking a
1:16:17
bath or he just wanted to know that you
1:16:19
were taking a bath? He just wanted to know
1:16:21
that I was taking a bath. Did you find
1:16:23
that odd? No, I just
1:16:26
thought it was a preference. Clearly
1:16:29
there was something about bathtubs. You
1:16:31
know the fact that he wanted you to take baths, his
1:16:34
victims were found in the bathtub. Yeah,
1:16:37
I think that it was something maybe
1:16:40
some type of cleaning ritual or
1:16:42
something. I don't know. Despite
1:16:45
all the disturbing realizations, Kay kept
1:16:47
in contact with Channette, even visited
1:16:49
him in jail. Did
1:16:51
you ask him in that moment, did you kill these
1:16:53
women and sexually assault these women? No,
1:16:56
because I knew that that's something that he was
1:16:58
not willing to talk about. Could
1:17:00
you think of a reason why
1:17:03
he would do it? Was there something in
1:17:05
his past or something that he told you
1:17:07
that might shed some light on why? He
1:17:10
did have mommy issues. He said that
1:17:12
his sisters were treated better than him
1:17:14
growing up and he was also felt
1:17:16
rejected from his wife. Sounds
1:17:19
like he maybe has issues
1:17:21
with women or how he's been treated by
1:17:23
women in the past. Yes,
1:17:25
it could have been some rejection. Why
1:17:27
didn't you just cut him
1:17:29
off now that he's in jail? Because
1:17:32
it was part of me was still not believing
1:17:34
that he actually did it. Maybe he didn't do
1:17:36
it, you know, and that what
1:17:38
if he didn't do it and everybody's abandoning
1:17:41
him. Even
1:17:43
though Channette was behind bars, Detective
1:17:45
Lenore still needed the lab results. And
1:17:48
so now you have his DNA?
1:17:51
I have his DNA. Is there a rush
1:17:53
on comparing this DNA?
1:17:56
Absolutely. Then while
1:17:58
he waited, he got a call that
1:18:00
suggested this case was far from
1:18:02
over. There were three
1:18:05
more. More attacks. Three attacks. Three attacks. Three
1:18:08
attacks. From
1:18:20
the moment Detective Lenore heard about Christine Vu's
1:18:23
murder at the pear tree apartments, he'd been
1:18:25
on the hunt for a killer. Years
1:18:27
later, in March 1999, he
1:18:30
felt he'd finally found him. He
1:18:32
was just waiting for a DNA match to confirm
1:18:35
it. Then, two
1:18:37
weeks after Dale Channett's arrest,
1:18:39
the moment the investigator had
1:18:41
been waiting for arrived. The
1:18:43
DNA matched all four victims,
1:18:46
Christine, Wendy, Shema,
1:18:49
and Adrian. We have a DNA
1:18:51
match to all four victims. You
1:18:53
got your guy? Oh, he's definitely
1:18:55
our guy. There's no if ands and buts
1:18:58
about it. But Detective Lenore believed there
1:19:00
were other victims. Eight
1:19:02
months before Channett's arrest, he'd put out
1:19:04
a bulletin to neighboring police departments asking
1:19:06
if any of their unsolved crimes seemed
1:19:09
similar to these four cases. Investigators
1:19:11
from Lancaster, Texas, got that note
1:19:14
and believed three of their cases
1:19:16
were possibly connected. Turned
1:19:18
out Lenore's hunch was right. There
1:19:21
were more victims. At
1:19:23
that time, we connected his DNA
1:19:25
to three sexual assaults that occurred in 1998,
1:19:28
between September and December. One
1:19:32
of the victims was a Dallas police officer.
1:19:35
We threatened to kill her family,
1:19:37
even cited their address to her.
1:19:40
Saying, I know where your family lives. Oh, my goodness. Vicious
1:19:43
in one case, he sexually assaulted a woman in
1:19:45
front of her child. The
1:19:48
Tarrant County District Attorney pursued the
1:19:50
maximum penalty. Dale Channett was
1:19:52
indicted on capital murder charges. If
1:19:55
found guilty, he would face the death penalty. Channett's
1:19:58
biggest fear was now a
1:20:00
real possibility. But there was a
1:20:02
potential snag with the prosecution's case, Assistant
1:20:05
DA Greg Miller. Under
1:20:07
Texas law, we wouldn't be able to try
1:20:09
him at the same time for both murders.
1:20:12
So they chose Wendy Prescott's murder, which
1:20:14
meant the jury would not hear anything
1:20:17
about Christine Vu or the sexual assault
1:20:19
victims. Why try Wendy's
1:20:21
case first if she was
1:20:23
second in the murders?
1:20:26
The only issue that we had a
1:20:29
little bit of a concern about in
1:20:31
Christine's cases was Christine had a boyfriend.
1:20:34
Although Christine's boyfriend, Tang Ku, had
1:20:36
long ago been cleared by police,
1:20:39
prosecutors worried his presence at the crime
1:20:41
scene so close to the time of
1:20:43
her murder might confuse the jury. When
1:20:46
you're the prosecutor, you're trying to convince all
1:20:48
12 people beyond a reasonable doubt. And
1:20:51
all the defense is trying to do is find
1:20:53
one or two people that for whatever
1:20:56
reason don't believe that she and Adam,
1:20:58
you know, killed Christine Vu, too. Christine's
1:21:01
family understood. Once we
1:21:04
got to that point, it didn't matter. We felt
1:21:06
comfortable that there was enough linkage between
1:21:08
the two cases that they were done
1:21:10
by the same person. You just wanted him
1:21:13
to go away. We just wanted him to go away, exactly. The
1:21:16
trial began in January 2003 in Fort Worth. Christine's
1:21:21
and Wendy's families attended. It
1:21:23
was a top priority for us to attend and
1:21:25
see this through because that's the least we
1:21:27
can do for Christine in her memory. Wendy's
1:21:31
cousin hoped the presence of both families
1:21:33
sent a strong message to Channette. To
1:21:35
make sure that he knew that
1:21:38
he took away someone very special
1:21:40
to us and to make sure
1:21:42
that he was going to get his punishment. The
1:21:46
prosecution's case focused on the forensic
1:21:48
evidence, starting with that thumbprint. We
1:21:51
referred to it as a dustprint from
1:21:53
the TV stand of Wendy's apartment, which
1:21:55
is probably the best dustprint I've ever
1:21:57
seen. Yeah, it was very clear. I
1:24:00
was pregnant, about seven months pregnant. It
1:24:02
was the first time Adrian had come
1:24:04
face to face with Channette since that
1:24:06
awful night. And so
1:24:09
I'm telling my testimony and he's
1:24:11
looking at me like with those
1:24:13
piercing, evil eyes, he's just looking my
1:24:16
card like, I should have killed you. Like,
1:24:18
you know, I shouldn't have let you live,
1:24:20
you know. Did you feel so empowered?
1:24:22
I did. I did. I cried all
1:24:24
the way through, but I felt so strong and so
1:24:26
empowered, even in just like when
1:24:29
I walked out, it was like, I'm
1:24:31
leaving this behind me. I'm walking
1:24:33
out this door and this
1:24:35
is it. Shema felt
1:24:38
something different. I
1:24:40
remember being really angry at him.
1:24:42
Like, he didn't care
1:24:44
of the pain that he inflicted on
1:24:46
the families, the victims, the
1:24:48
survivors. But
1:24:50
the jury recognized all their pain and
1:24:53
once again decided in favor of the
1:24:55
prosecution. Dale Channette was
1:24:57
sentenced to death. Six years
1:24:59
later, on February 10th, 2009, he
1:25:02
died by lethal injection. The
1:25:05
families of Wendy and Christine were there in the
1:25:07
viewing room to watch his execution. There
1:25:09
were tears that were shed. Really? In the room.
1:25:12
Yeah. You know, it's not so much the tears
1:25:14
for the murderer. It's the tears
1:25:16
for the victims that we shed. Thankfully,
1:25:19
it was the closure that we
1:25:21
were looking for. Since
1:25:24
that day, Shema has also found a way to
1:25:26
move forward as a wife and a
1:25:28
mother. I
1:25:31
live in a beautiful place with my lovely
1:25:34
family and so I'm just grateful to be here
1:25:37
and to experience that.
1:25:39
You've overcome so much. Yes. Yes.
1:25:41
And it's a journey still,
1:25:43
you know, but I think I'm doing
1:25:46
well. Adrienne credits her
1:25:49
daughter for her positive outlook. Starting to notice
1:25:51
that my fears are taking over her and so I
1:25:53
begin to think if I'm the
1:26:00
woman that she will become, then I've got to
1:26:02
work on the woman that I am. I'm
1:26:05
going to live differently. She's
1:26:07
now an author and a motivational speaker.
1:26:10
I'm proof that you can get pass rate. My
1:26:13
experience is not everyone else's experience,
1:26:16
but I can tell you
1:26:18
from my experience that you
1:26:20
can live through it and that
1:26:22
you can breathe again. Adrian
1:26:25
wanted to help others through their
1:26:27
darkest moments and started a non-profit
1:26:29
called Rip the Bandage. I
1:26:32
call it my safe place. We do
1:26:34
a lot of great things, so we
1:26:37
go out to the streets, we feed
1:26:39
the homeless, we provide daily sustenance
1:26:41
like toiletries and clothes and shoes and
1:26:43
snacks and I am encouraging people all
1:26:46
day long. You can make it.
1:26:48
You're such an inspiration. Thank you.
1:26:51
Living proof that you can do it. It's
1:26:53
happened in your life, but it didn't happen
1:26:55
to knock you out the game. It came
1:26:57
to give you strength. That's
1:27:05
all for this edition of Dateline
1:27:07
and check out our Talking Dateline
1:27:09
podcast. Andrea Kanning and Josh
1:27:11
Mankiewicz will go behind the scenes of
1:27:13
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your podcasts. We'll see you again
1:27:20
next Friday at 10, 9 central. I'm
1:27:23
Lester Holt. For all of us at
1:27:26
NBC News, good night. So
1:27:32
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1:27:34
more surprises on the way. I'm
1:27:37
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