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everybody. I'm Josh Mankiewicz,

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and we're talking Dateline today

0:40

with the grumpy, curmudgeonly

0:43

Keith Morrison, which I think sets the tone for

0:45

the time ahead. How

0:47

are you, Mankiewicz? I'm

0:49

fine. This episode is

0:51

called, If These Walls Could Talk. Now,

0:55

if you have not listened to this or if

0:57

you haven't seen it on television, it

0:59

is the podcast right below this one on the

1:01

list that you just chose from. So go there,

1:03

listen to it, or you want to watch it

1:05

on TV. You can do that or stream it

1:08

on Peacock and then come back here. Now, today

1:10

we're going to talk about this episode.

1:13

Keith also has an extra clip from

1:15

his interview with Suzanne's brother Frank that

1:18

he's going to play for us. And later

1:20

on, the producer of this episode, Michelle

1:22

Madigan, is going to be here to

1:24

answer some of your questions about this

1:26

broadcast from social media. All right.

1:28

Let's talk Dateline. If These Walls Could

1:31

Talk. It's a good title, huh? It

1:33

is good. And I loved your opening lines

1:35

over the drone shots of suburbia

1:38

with those little identical houses. You

1:40

never know what's going on inside.

1:42

And it turns out, of course,

1:45

it's just a cauldron

1:47

of passion inside them. Every

1:50

house is a cauldron of passion. Isn't yours?

1:52

I think totally. Yeah. So

1:54

to me, one of the first questions

1:56

I have is, this takes so long.

2:00

I started feeling that this guy had been a truck

2:02

driver. He might have been

2:04

prosecuted a lot sooner. They took

2:06

more time than Elise Hatcher thought that

2:08

they should have taken. It

2:11

was the previous prosecutor who was in

2:13

the job before her didn't move on it.

2:16

But part of the problem was

2:18

the forensics took a

2:21

year to come back. The

2:23

information that would tell them whether

2:25

this was a homicide or an accidental fall

2:27

down a staircase. Paws happen all the time.

2:29

People fall down the stairs and they get

2:31

killed. I understand that. And

2:33

then it certainly at least at first blush

2:35

that was at least plausible. I guess I'm

2:37

surprised that it took a year. I realized

2:39

that life is not like a, you know,

2:41

an hour long dramatic TV show in which

2:43

DNA was able to come back in 10

2:45

seconds. But, you know, I sort of thought

2:47

that it would take less than a year

2:49

to build a case. They

2:52

wanted to be very careful. They wanted to be sure. Especially

2:56

when your defendant happens to be a widely

2:59

admired and respected fertility

3:02

doctor who is going about the business

3:04

of helping couples create life and has

3:06

been doing so more successfully than most

3:08

other people in this field for years.

3:10

We really saw in this episode, I

3:13

thought, sort of two different sides of

3:15

Dr. Sills. You know, I mean, a

3:17

couple of different patients. One, you

3:19

know, talking about how he completely lost it and

3:22

was furious at her and was yelling at her

3:24

and saw, you know, you saw this side of

3:26

him that she'd never seen and that most patients

3:28

never see. And then the other one is

3:30

the one the prosecutors I think were worried about,

3:32

which was this like, you know,

3:34

very decent, you know, caring guy

3:37

who really wanted to give patients

3:39

this gift of having a child. Which

3:42

I should say 90, probably 99%

3:45

of his patients would have portrayed him that way

3:47

as a very kind man who

3:50

cared a great deal about their success.

3:53

His wife was there at the

3:55

office, running the office, also doing good work

3:57

with him. He

4:00

was Suzanne's IVF doctor. Yes,

4:02

indeed. And they start dating and then they get

4:05

mad. That feels like some kind

4:07

of ethical issue to me. Well,

4:09

it does, doesn't it? Yeah.

4:12

She'd been trying to have a baby

4:14

and was unable to and ran

4:16

into Dr. Sills and fell for him. Although

4:19

her friends would wonder, why did you fall for

4:21

that guy? He's such an odd character. But, you

4:24

know, she did and they apparently

4:26

go along very well. Those twins, those

4:28

are from the two of them. Those are not from

4:30

her previous marriage. That's correct. The

4:32

children felt the relationship was fine. It

4:35

was very, very deep inside that

4:38

relationship where the issues had occurred.

4:40

And sometimes when things are

4:42

very deep and they're

4:44

not discussed openly and

4:46

they fester, the explosive

4:49

reaction is stronger than it might otherwise

4:51

be. I thought the

4:53

prosecutors sort of offering

4:55

up the fact that they didn't know what the motive

4:57

was. I thought that's like

5:00

admitting a real weakness to the case. When they

5:02

say, I'm not required to show motive. It

5:04

could have been that he was angry about this relationship

5:06

he was having. It could have been that he wanted

5:08

her out of the way so he could be with

5:10

the woman. We don't really know. But what we do

5:12

know is there was a fight and he killed her.

5:14

Eric says he heard his parents yelling. Was

5:17

there anything that you heard about what

5:19

that argument was about? No.

5:22

Eric was unable to say or didn't

5:24

say. Later denied

5:26

it. He supported his father too and

5:29

later denied hearing it at all. So

5:31

the 911 call, we

5:35

start off with him referring to her as

5:37

a patient. We've got a patient here who's

5:40

fallen upstairs and I don't have a pulse.

5:43

And he doesn't sound frantic

5:45

the way I think pretty much anybody would

5:47

if they discover their wife having just fallen

5:49

down the stairs and she's not breathing. I

5:53

would not be able to form a

5:55

complete sentence. This is a classic situation,

5:57

Josh, where he would...

6:00

be difficult for a detective

6:04

or a prosecutor to know

6:06

how much to make of that. For one

6:08

thing, everybody reacts differently to stressful situations of

6:10

that sort. And they, you know, they get

6:12

charged with a crime because they're too calm

6:14

in the 911 call. Other

6:17

people are frantic and over

6:19

the top. As a

6:21

doctor who had for years

6:23

and years been treating people in

6:25

difficult situations had trained extensively,

6:29

not just in IVF,

6:31

but in all kinds of doctoring in order to

6:33

get his advanced degree. You know,

6:36

he would know to treat somebody calmly

6:38

and dispassionately if he wanted to have

6:40

any success. Okay. You also know how

6:42

to do CPR. Right.

6:45

That was the impression that the 911 operator

6:48

had, that he wasn't doing CPR.

6:51

That's not what his daughter says. That's not what, you

6:53

know, that's not what he says. I

6:55

mean, that's one of the first things I wrote down

6:58

when I was watching your episode was like, as a

7:00

doctor, wouldn't he know to perform CPR? Like right away,

7:02

wouldn't the 911 call have

7:05

come with him in the midst of the compressions?

7:08

Most of the time, spoilers, it clearly was

7:10

a play. And the thing that

7:12

told the story, of course, was the

7:14

lividity. Lividity, you know, is

7:16

the blood that coagulates in the part of your body,

7:19

which is lower down after you die, the blood stops

7:21

pumping, it goes to that part of your body, that

7:23

part of your body turns purple. And that's that. That

7:26

tells you how the body was lying when you

7:28

died. And the

7:30

lividity in her body was

7:32

up the stairs where her head was at the bottom

7:34

of the stairs. So it defied

7:36

the laws of gravity. It could not

7:38

possibly have happened that way. It means

7:40

the body was staged. It's just no

7:42

question about it. I mean, again,

7:44

this is a doctor. He's got some

7:46

medical training. How is he not

7:48

going to know that? How does he think? He

7:51

should know that. He probably wasn't thinking very clearly.

7:53

How does he think ligature strangulation is not

7:55

going to show up in an autopsy? How

7:58

does he think this extremely visible? blood

8:00

and hair in the room is not going to

8:02

be seen. I mean, like, you

8:04

know, there was a dispute over whether

8:06

her blood was found as well as

8:08

his blood in that child's

8:10

bedroom. The defense argued it

8:13

was just his blood that yes, they

8:15

found her DNA, but she was sleeping in that room

8:17

after all. So of course, they would. So

8:19

the idea is that she touches the

8:21

wall, thus leaving her DNA. She touches

8:24

the curtain in the wall and

8:26

then he bleeds on that. And

8:28

that that's the combined DNA. I

8:30

don't know what the, yeah,

8:33

I've been doing this for awhile. Yeah.

8:37

When we come back, we're going to have

8:39

more from Keith's interview with Suzanne's brother Frank.

8:47

It was almost the perfect crime.

8:50

Everyone was distracted. Their attention

8:52

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8:54

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8:56

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8:58

slowly reach their hand out and steal a

9:01

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9:03

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So one of the things that was very cool about this story

9:52

I thought was that you had

9:56

so much video of

9:58

Suzanne when she was alive. That usually

10:00

does not happen. Her

10:03

audition for Survivor and the

10:05

videos she made with her daughter, for our

10:07

purposes, it's just wonderful because it's an opportunity

10:10

for the audience to see what these people

10:12

are really like. We don't have to do

10:14

anything, we just let it play, which was

10:16

great. Brought her alive in a

10:18

very significant way. You just need to

10:20

know people. You do. You need to know people. You're

10:23

obviously not going to get it from her husband,

10:25

he's not talking. I thought

10:28

the kids are not talking, and her

10:30

mom, I thought, was the strongest sort

10:33

of... It was clear that she was

10:35

talking to her mom all the way through. I don't

10:37

know how much she was talking to everybody else in

10:39

her family, but clearly, her mom

10:41

remained sort of a confidant and a close

10:44

friend all her life. She was

10:46

a great interview. She is smart,

10:48

and she's attentive, and she cares

10:50

about things. Her mother, interestingly, lives

10:52

in Florida, but

10:54

she was in California, where we did the

10:56

interview, at our little studio, the

10:59

two of us sitting there together. But

11:01

it was very chilly that day,

11:03

California chilly, which can feel cold

11:05

in the bones, even though it's

11:07

California. And

11:09

our studio is not heated. She

11:11

was cold, and rightly

11:14

so, she was wearing pretty thin clothing. So

11:17

we got a blanket, quite

11:21

a large, warm green blanket, and

11:23

draped it around her. And

11:26

if you look carefully at the picture of her

11:28

interview, it looks like

11:30

a very attractive cloak

11:32

that she would have bought at some

11:34

fancy store. In fact, it was a

11:36

blanket that we were using. That's actually

11:38

Dateline Supply. Yes, exactly right.

11:41

Nice. Good. That's good to know. So you

11:43

have a lot of exclusive interviews in this, people

11:46

who have not spoken before. Luckily

11:48

so. The creation of the producers

11:50

we worked with very effectively. Let's give a shout

11:53

out to the producers who worked on this. This

11:55

is Michelle Madigan's show, and I thought she did

11:57

a wonderful job. The queen of our studio.

12:02

I'm. Much year that clip the

12:04

you brought which is from Susan's brother Frank.

12:06

Others did near in the episode but in

12:09

this little bit of interview phrase is talking

12:11

about why it was that he wanted to

12:13

sit down talk with us. Since.

12:16

Her death. There's.

12:18

So little footprint. Out there

12:20

for Suzanne, for the type of person that

12:22

she was and for what she was to

12:25

her family, what she meant to to me

12:27

and my family. And I

12:29

just feel like a lot of that's been

12:31

lost to new. it's like and some. In

12:35

some senses, you wouldn't even know that

12:37

she she lived anymore. I'm. History

12:40

for the her and disappear. Yeah.

12:44

And I this is important for me

12:46

to do because even if this is

12:48

concentrating on parts of her life that.

12:51

I would rather think about or talk

12:53

about or have to contemplate anything that

12:56

current can allow her legacy to exist.

12:59

In any kind of preserve former I wanted

13:01

to be involved and. I

13:03

think that's one of the reasons that people. Sit.

13:06

And talk with the one which is. You.

13:09

Know yeah, we're We're going to

13:11

tell the story in some debts

13:13

of his not gonna be six

13:15

inches in the local newspaper. It's

13:17

not gonna be forty five seconds

13:19

to a minimal ago moves. It's

13:21

gonna be a much more complete.

13:24

Telling. Of their lies, I got

13:26

a nice fuller picture of what happened

13:28

and who they were. I. Think

13:30

so. Although we. We.

13:33

Make it clear that that it's determine their

13:35

wanna tone and television. We're not going to

13:37

make them feel bad of they don't. Earn.

13:41

And one onion soup and we're not amateurs

13:43

them down the street and then a lot

13:45

know certainly mile certainly not and I would

13:47

love to have heard from the children are

13:49

really would have. No one wants to admit

13:52

that dad joke mom to I'd I've been

13:54

I wouldn't have expected them to admit that.

13:56

Anyway, how you could seal your kids parents?

13:58

I just do not. I. Do

14:01

not fathom how that happens, but it

14:03

does happen clearly all the time. My.

14:05

Impression was a guy. must have

14:07

snapped. Is that he didn't often snap?

14:10

That he rarely snap the way did it was.

14:13

A. Big Storm. It's just

14:15

as on the jury got it right,

14:17

that's a second degree murder in this

14:19

was not of the planned out an

14:22

advanced. This just happened in the moment

14:24

because he was unable to control whatever

14:26

temper was sort of lying beneath the

14:28

surface. Their. This was a very thoughtful

14:30

Juri is that it was a very good Juri.

14:32

had to talk to a lot of. Juries:

14:35

In the past and sometimes you walk out and shake

14:37

your head. but. This one. Was.

14:40

A good juri. I remember we first started covering

14:42

primaries to make a big effort to get the

14:44

jury. On and will try to get

14:46

as many of them as we turn that we'd

14:48

line him up some as we had everybody. Ah,

14:51

we're all to all twelve people chairs. Rank

14:53

and downs. This: yeah, like a low risers.

14:55

I remember that and and that that was

14:57

usually a big part of the of the

15:00

story. Tell us and. Over.

15:02

Time I guess in part because of

15:04

those people don't wanna talk. I'm. We

15:07

stopped doing that as much. Suddenly the jury

15:10

does not turn up in every dateline

15:12

hour or two hours. but the A sometimes

15:14

when they do as in this case

15:16

they they they they tell a really interesting

15:18

part of the story. So when you're

15:20

when you were shooting in St. Louis where

15:23

you are on the street with the

15:25

with the detectives who I I I heard

15:27

that you are. You. Trying

15:29

to a crowd which does not surprise me

15:31

where everybody was over this weird strange gentlemen

15:33

mega would say work with them how to

15:35

get her to them and when I look

15:37

like that's what they wanted to know so

15:40

I only the people to on my glasses,

15:42

keyboards and what are you doing here. And

15:44

nobody. Really knows I died.

15:47

That's not what I heard. The

16:00

gums embry often cause usually we're we're

16:02

coming separate stories of parts of the

16:04

country but sometimes or the same place

16:06

and then people come up the keys

16:08

to you and they say oh my

16:11

gosh I love you you're so gray

16:13

our was use and she's has this

16:15

expression. Tunnel. Like this one that he's done

16:17

right now. Or he's like. Who.

16:20

Who's you've mistaken me for? Am I

16:22

know? If you may know you are

16:24

no my best. They've figured it out.

16:26

They know exactly who you are. They

16:28

love you. Know. Know.

16:31

This. Is overdue. Zero implosion. Old and wrinkled

16:33

guy who's done in I'm not gonna. Be.

16:35

Threatening would not know my i didn't

16:38

realize this and Zola until after I

16:40

saw the episode, but many years ago.

16:43

Also in San Clemente, same place

16:45

that the story happened, I covered

16:47

a story. About

16:49

a a a former Jeopardy Champion

16:52

a guy named Paul Curry. Ah,

16:55

Who. Was accused and then later

16:57

convicted of killing his wife Linda.

17:00

By. Overdosing her with

17:03

nicotine. I remember that story.

17:06

That. The coverage that story went on forever.

17:08

Dinner at was only on some miles away.

17:10

Those leaves now. so I'm from from. where

17:12

the zap Well I'd ever go to things

17:14

of of that story. One I think I

17:17

probably was annoyed with you for poaching on

17:19

my territory. You absolute pretty annoyed with the

17:21

you absolutely were annoyed with me. I remember

17:23

that payback was it took you a long

17:26

time to do that store and didn't I

17:28

mean look at the business or yes I'm

17:30

okay Now after the break. The.

17:32

Producer of this broadcast. So Madigan

17:34

is gonna be here now. Boasts:

17:36

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18:58

was oh man Ago harm is so.

19:01

High chance to see him.

19:04

So. On our first question. Is

19:08

from somebody named Lester.

19:11

He. Rides and to say. Josh.

19:14

Pleased to cease. To stop

19:16

sending me too much casserole recipes. they're all

19:18

to. You know what? That's a test that

19:20

is not a that's not your mail sort

19:22

of my my, i'm. Sorry. I

19:24

got that wrong. Ah was gonna have your mail.

19:27

Oh Mike, Nineteen Ninety says I

19:29

love the jurors thoughts on the

19:32

process of getting to their decision.

19:34

Great insight on how hard is

19:36

it? The butcher's regional. It

19:39

can be super easy or to be

19:41

really difficult when we censor Dirty Selects

19:43

and we live very little about these

19:45

years. The way the jury service works.

19:47

it's anonymous, we don't know their names

19:49

and so it's really up to them

19:51

to contact us. After they're

19:53

done things earth and you hope that

19:55

they call you. And sometimes

19:57

they do, and sometimes they don't.

20:00

We find that a lot of them find a

20:02

experience of talking about it. Really?

20:04

Interesting. To when I saw

20:06

this comment comment on Friday I was. Very.

20:09

Grateful because you know that was as that was an

20:11

element that I wanted to have and a story and

20:13

I thought it would be interesting to hear. What?

20:15

They had to say and and And

20:18

And glad that. Might. Agreed.

20:21

So. You zoom Zoom! I'm from

20:23

Missouri. viewers would serve some decent. I

20:25

talk to him a lumber from Susan,

20:27

why do to the organ ball and

20:29

Sylvia and why see who's a longtime

20:31

friend of ours on social? Are they

20:34

all one the the same thing? How

20:36

would a doctor not know Cpr in

20:38

a wouldn't doctor not need to be

20:40

told how to do that? You.

20:44

Know. If I were doctor

20:46

I think I probably would those Cpr if

20:48

I were a doctor who had just killed

20:50

my wife who try to cover up. I

20:52

think that's particularly when I did at least

20:55

be practicing my Cpr. Why he wouldn't be

20:57

going through the motions better than he did.

20:59

I don't quite get. This.

21:02

Was always wireless listening to every time I

21:04

heard than I am a when paul because

21:06

he starts the call. Saying.

21:08

I've got a T. Senses on upstairs.

21:11

But he never actually says to the

21:13

dispatcher. I'm a doctor I know I

21:15

did it cr and that I think was. A.

21:18

Problem for him. When. It came

21:20

to. The jury. Or

21:23

her junior my love Rhodium to

21:25

say children all was suffer the

21:28

most. In the long run. Is.

21:30

Is gonna be brutally difficult as on

21:32

the eminence ominous feeling that you in

21:34

our the new wants to lose both

21:36

parents because of the same thing that

21:38

the. You. Don't really understand You were

21:40

to part us. On we

21:42

reached out. To those

21:44

kids I am I know we would have

21:47

in the normal course of business. Are you

21:49

get anywhere with them? Gas and then I?

21:51

I actually did speak with Eric calling the

21:53

verdict. And. Damn it was

21:55

it. It was a really hard conversation

21:57

and I think he appreciated my and.

22:01

In wanting to hear from him and

22:03

an understanding that would be a difficult

22:05

conversation to has. I'm. I'm.

22:08

A mother of two an it. This is

22:10

always the hardest part for me is when

22:12

I'm meeting the kids and speaking with them

22:14

and and trying to understand how hard it

22:17

would be to be and nurses. The.

22:19

Also, you know if somebody

22:21

is eric position is caught

22:23

between two competing. Interests

22:26

one is his desire to see

22:28

his father quit it, and the

22:30

second is to tell his story

22:32

completely and one may not help

22:34

the other. By. So.

22:37

Couple. Of the zags. Two. Sides

22:39

Argument as earlier, but only at your

22:41

take on a to lose Bondi. His

22:43

old friend of ours here on social

22:46

says a. So. Weird to

22:48

go with your husband, do a fertility doctor,

22:50

and then leave your husband for the fertility

22:52

doctor. How does that even happen? And that

22:54

would be my question. How does that even

22:56

app? I spoke with her

22:58

husband that she was married to at

23:01

the time see this. Very

23:03

nice. He was very careful not to.

23:05

Get. Into too much detail that that part

23:07

of their stories. He. Said. you

23:09

know there's some following that from

23:11

the divorce as you're welcome to.

23:14

And so I got. His. Divorce filings

23:16

and I got sucked ourselves. Divorce

23:18

filings. I tried to figure this

23:21

out and the timing of it.

23:23

Started. fills up slave. Accused

23:26

him of infidelity and I just as

23:29

like I put it together that that

23:31

would offend Suzanne and there had to

23:33

then overlap. I just don't know how.

23:36

That with since had developed and so I wasn't

23:38

able to really. At that time

23:40

reporting those goods virtue. Of.

23:43

Go To Some Males! A bunch

23:45

of people wrote in an A

23:47

to talk about similarities between this

23:49

case and the Michael Peterson case.

23:52

In which you're an owl, Play.

23:54

They are perhaps of fruitful.

23:57

Part. I'm. Lauren.

24:00

Graham said oh my god, the Owl.

24:02

I mean dog did do it though.

24:04

The dog and his thirst for figures

24:06

made him obviously sold with murderous rage

24:08

at likely the woman who feeds. And

24:10

yeah, no one bought the dog. Defense

24:12

that the I don't I don't think

24:14

they anybody bought it Said it was

24:16

certainly an interesting approach and Chatterley is

24:18

is one of my favorite defense attorney

24:20

is that I've had the opportunity. This

24:22

was my second. Case. That I've

24:25

covered that he's been involved with and I. I.

24:27

Was sacked him as an attorney and

24:29

when he. Felt. So strongly about

24:31

this theory says she wanted to take

24:33

it to a jury thought. Okay

24:36

Blake, I'm gonna. I'm gonna see where

24:38

this goes. Amis. Even if you believe

24:40

that the dog grab the scars when

24:42

it's around her neck. Like. You.

24:45

Got a compressed someone's neck.

24:48

For. A very long time to kill

24:50

them. The final and in two seconds

24:52

during the course the trial. We.

24:54

Got a puppy. And so was.

24:57

It really interesting to sort of see like

24:59

to have cirrhosis. He could pull on something

25:01

and so I would come home and be

25:03

like can you pull on something like for

25:05

an extended amount of time and. And.

25:09

He has his know like they they don't

25:11

have that attention span. It's. A sword

25:13

or attention span but they pulling on a

25:15

on a scarf I don't know. I brought

25:17

my puppy his like lovely and sleeping right

25:19

next to me as if she's actually to

25:21

enter into of food citrusy others like you're

25:24

a you like this with every story like

25:26

you're you're testing out the series your dog

25:28

enjoys it to him about yourself me that

25:30

you don't really feel everything about the stories

25:32

which earnings are probably pretty good thing. I

25:35

do. I don't. I don't. I get

25:37

a little and busted his advice or is because

25:39

I want to know when I like to sort

25:41

of understand it. You know, on

25:43

on both sides. Are a I'm Missile Madigan

25:46

you've just talk yourself into. Future appears as

25:48

on tawdry they want your very good at

25:50

this. Thank you! So lethargic their lives with

25:52

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25:54

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25:56

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