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everyone! I'm a injury canning and we are talking

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date mine Today I'm here with Keith Morris and

0:39

hey Keith! I'm Andrea. I. Write.

0:41

This episode of yours is called the Girl

0:43

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1:01

listen to it or stream and on Peacock

1:03

and then come back here today. Keith has

1:05

a clear that he's going to play for

1:07

us from interview that wasn't in the show.

1:09

After that I'm sitting down with. Date Line

1:11

producer Susan Liebowitz to answer your questions

1:14

about the show from social media. And.

1:16

To recap this story, twenty one

1:18

year old Christie Johnson mysteriously disappeared

1:20

in two thousand and Three after

1:22

meeting a man at the Century

1:24

City Mall in Los Angeles. He

1:26

promised her an audition for the

1:28

role of a Bond girl, but

1:30

Christie was found dead days later.

1:32

Police identified her killer Victor pale

1:35

yellow guess with the help of

1:37

various women who saw Christie story

1:39

and realized they had been approached

1:41

by Victor to okay, now let's

1:43

talk dateline right? Good. This

1:45

was such a powerful episode,

1:47

just the stories from these

1:49

women. And. What

1:51

they went through and when they almost

1:54

went through and the way that they

1:56

all came together. You know, forget about

1:58

evil vector. This. Is a. Beats

2:00

my men. It. Is about these

2:02

reminisce about and and this matter what

2:04

time of what era you're in. if

2:07

a bunch of people a bunch of

2:09

women get together and decide that going

2:11

to do something about a bad character

2:14

like Victor they can have the power.

2:16

This all happened before me to and

2:18

and time when women were telling stories

2:20

about. What? Had

2:23

been done to them but you know men

2:25

had try to do with them or had

2:27

done with them and they were believed So

2:29

this was a pretty remarkable. Decision.

2:31

A prosecutor made. That.

2:33

He didn't have the physical evidence. He

2:36

had a very slippery character as

2:38

a suspect. And the

2:41

only thing the prosecutor had was the

2:43

stories of these women and their stories

2:45

were all. Almost identical. You

2:47

know, the the white shirt? Yes.

2:49

So let us all provide the

2:51

time. I mean someone's women independently.

2:54

You know, be telling these stories if

2:56

it was or same guys. Could.

2:58

You imagine be one of them and

3:00

hearing In having gone through an experience

3:03

I sat and then you hear about

3:05

somebody who's gone missing who told her

3:07

roommate exactly the same story that this

3:09

slippery character told you. Year

3:12

before. Two years before. Ten

3:14

years before and I'll come

3:16

to an audition for a

3:18

Bond movie where mans white

3:20

dress shirt and a micro

3:22

mini skirt and sparkly tights

3:24

and sky high heels and.

3:26

I'll bring the I. I mean he had

3:29

a scratches. And. And it's

3:31

apropos, you know, saying scrapped. When we're

3:33

talking about Ahmed, where we're talking

3:35

about movies, Where's yours now? Women

3:37

In. L. A. Are.

3:40

Drawn by. Things.

3:42

Like that all year many of the

3:44

women who were approached and attacked ah

3:46

where women who had gone to L

3:48

A specifically because they were interested in

3:50

the movies in one way or another.

3:54

Christie, See. The victim

3:56

in this case and wonder where behind

3:58

the scenes though never knows. It

4:00

was also. In. Of had

4:02

somebody come along with the and apart for issue and

4:04

of and jump out of the soon as the uniform.

4:07

Yeah. Gorgeous and but also had real

4:10

acting ability. Had some passed in in

4:12

in dance and and acting and will

4:14

you know was a real prospect. so

4:16

when somebody came and offered her a

4:18

a a possibility like that. She's.

4:21

Out the you know her ship

4:23

examine and who wouldn't sector is

4:25

technique was was exceeding the clever.

4:29

He was a smart guy.

4:31

He dressed well. He looked

4:33

good. He was tall and

4:35

relatively handsome. He came off

4:37

like a very serious Sam

4:39

industry person. Yeah. And I

4:41

am me. I was texting it before. The podcast

4:43

you know to gyms added asking where

4:46

details about dates because you don't know

4:48

this about me. But. I

4:50

lived in Los Angeles in the nineties

4:52

and when to the Century City Mall

4:54

all the time and I had taken

4:56

acting at U C L A and

4:58

I haven't got some headshots done. But

5:01

I'd cells when I started watching us because

5:03

I thought to myself, That was

5:05

gonna believe that mall. Un.

5:08

I was putting myself in the shoes of those women and

5:10

I saw it. With. My aspirations

5:12

if someone had approached me like

5:14

that in that mall. I

5:17

was naive enough in my twenties. When.

5:20

I was there early twenties to probably. Say

5:22

Yes! I probably would have been excited about

5:24

it. I'm not kidding. And remember he he

5:26

kept telling these women they wouldn't be him,

5:28

he would be a director who would be

5:30

there. I could just see anybody falling for

5:32

this. You know. A. Couple

5:34

of them you came from

5:37

backgrounds were they learned to

5:39

be naturally skeptical. Especially

5:42

if somebody comes along and off as you.

5:44

something like that one of them versus kind

5:46

of honor. Of who's a

5:48

who's there was a detective and the own

5:50

was them. Was in Susan home again and

5:52

I had some law enforcement in her bedroom

5:55

and they immediately sort of her know the

5:57

schedule. Creepy. There's some the going on here

5:59

I want by I'm interested. I'm going to

6:01

go to this thing but I'm going to

6:04

take boyfriend was ma'am and attacks. And.

6:08

And of course. The.

6:10

Creep. Runaway. Kathy. Kathy

6:13

the Boehner decided to

6:15

study psychology. And

6:17

she got a Phd. She

6:19

went to the F B I

6:21

and enrolled in a specific course.

6:23

The F B I does and

6:25

psychopathy. The kind of people who

6:27

are. Really? Answerable and

6:30

the are almost always in

6:32

these cases of. The

6:34

psychopath begins his behavior.

6:37

Usually him begins his behavior some

6:39

time in his late teens to

6:41

early twenties do. We know sector

6:43

had done anything like that. It has

6:46

passed. The story is involves quite

6:48

a number of women who were assaulted.

6:50

A pristine clue. June is the first

6:52

one we know about. And.

6:54

Who story we have from Nineteen Eighty Nine?

6:57

And. Then there were quite a few of them

6:59

at throughout the night is that that culminating

7:01

in the attack on Christie and two Thousand

7:03

and Three. And. Many of the women

7:05

from the nineties came forward, but. We. Only

7:08

got them and. Cassie.

7:10

Bullies that there were. More.

7:13

Women Before Nineteen Eighty Nine. And

7:15

it's amazing This I was on

7:17

the edge of my seat as

7:20

it's near the end and I'm

7:22

thinking okay they thought the guy

7:24

wears this story telling and then

7:26

we have coffee. going to visit

7:28

him in in prison and I'm

7:30

thinking. Says I remarkable. Oh my gosh,

7:32

and the things she did. Exam

7:35

said brushing his arm.

7:37

You know, when you're a bandaid. I'm thinking to myself.

7:40

Oh my gosh, where she's

7:42

enrage literally years writing him

7:44

letters. To we're getting

7:47

increasingly sort of intimate where

7:49

she was inviting him. To

7:52

indulge in. Some of us can

7:54

in services. and wonderful

7:56

and he did victor was

7:59

it says Fascinating in

8:01

a bad way, a fascinating character, an

8:04

incorrigible psychopath. In

8:07

other words, said Cathy, incurable. Which

8:09

is scary when you think about the

8:11

fact that this person could

8:14

potentially get out. Everyone

8:16

is extremely concerned about him reoffending.

8:19

One of the problems with law

8:21

enforcement in this or any country is

8:23

that courts are overburdened.

8:25

They've got so much to deal with.

8:28

They can't possibly keep up unless they

8:30

make things very efficient.

8:34

So 95% of criminal cases,

8:36

something like that anyway, in

8:39

the United States are resolved by

8:41

plea deals. The guilty person

8:44

finally is persuaded, okay, I did this thing

8:47

and I'll make a deal to not have

8:49

to be charged with first degree

8:51

murder. I'll take second degree murder and I'll

8:54

agree to spend 25 years behind bars or

8:56

something and they'll deal with it that way.

8:59

Prosecutors, police, courts

9:01

hate uncertainty.

9:04

They hate the possibility that a

9:06

person they know is a bad

9:08

person is going to go to trial and

9:10

there is a chance and sometimes a fairly good

9:12

chance of the evidence isn't

9:14

absolutely solid like it wasn't in this case except

9:16

for the stories of the women. There's

9:19

a chance that that person is going to

9:21

get off and they only get one shot at it. There's

9:25

a natural inclination to want to hide

9:27

in the safety of a deal. Victor

9:30

knew that. He had known that for years.

9:32

He had done that over and over and over again.

9:36

He wound up getting an agreement

9:38

from the judge that he

9:40

could confess to being

9:42

responsible for her death. It's

9:45

a very vague term. It

9:48

could mean that they were in the house

9:50

together and she

9:53

tripped and fell down the stairs because of something he

9:55

did. But It's

9:57

more of a men's lottery. Yeah, he's not giving

9:59

details. About Ice you're gonna do. He refused

10:01

to give details, but it appeared that the

10:04

court was so. Eager to

10:06

make a deal to resolve the

10:08

same. They. Wound up making

10:10

a deal that gave him. Precisely.

10:13

The same sentence he went overseas had he not

10:15

touch the hair and a heads and that was

10:17

because you know he was facing the death penalty.

10:20

The. Normal course of events were would be

10:22

that as he if he took a plea

10:25

they would please add down to life without

10:27

parole right? That's and I stepped down as.

10:30

Instead. They took two steps down. To

10:32

Life's Whisperer All. The

10:34

courts. Were they

10:36

thinking you'll never get out because

10:39

because murderers don't get paroles, paint

10:41

on. And it turns out maybe they

10:43

do. L A got a

10:45

new Dna and the rules were changed. The

10:48

new approach was simply that. You're.

10:50

Too many people in prison if somebody

10:53

is as been at least twenty years

10:55

in prison and they're over fifty years

10:57

old. The. Likelihood of there being

10:59

a danger to society is vastly reduced

11:01

and so they should be offered a

11:03

chance of parole. And it

11:05

makes sense as an older prisoners would be

11:08

released because you're no longer a danger to

11:10

society. But as Kathy one of them. This.

11:13

Guy is okay after the break. Will

11:15

be back with an extra clip from

11:17

six interview with Christie's mother Carry Hall.

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Forget all your home from as it's done

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well as it and he.com you can do

12:09

this when you nz that. Victor

12:14

was supposed to be up for parole and

12:16

twenty twenty three, but he waved that and

12:19

as next parole hearing I'm if I'm friendly,

12:21

if I'm wrong as twenty to Twenty five.

12:24

November. Twenty twenty five you may, but he's

12:26

still alive. She's still in prison. He's awaiting

12:28

the general hearing. I guess we'll see what.

12:32

What? He does when it comes around. who

12:34

knows, maybe hill? Decline at

12:36

again. It's. Possible. And

12:39

it's hard to know very bizarre

12:41

teeth that you spoke with Christie's

12:43

mother, Terry Hall back and Twenty

12:45

Twenty Three prior to Victors scheduled

12:47

parole hearings and I know you

12:49

talk to her on our After

12:51

the Verdict podcasts which is where

12:53

we revisit are old cases for

12:55

our Dateline Premium subscribers. This is

12:57

what Terry had to say about

12:59

the parole hearing. A

13:01

close friend of mine was isolate. Monitoring.

13:04

On a regular basis to see where the

13:06

inmate was. And to her

13:08

surprise, Realize I

13:11

was coming up. Ah prematurely

13:13

shirt and a We've heard of

13:15

other cases some deserving where people

13:17

who have had early parole from

13:19

heard and in many cases granted

13:22

or in some cases at least

13:24

here in California. This.

13:27

Was a particularly egregious one I read

13:29

and wouldn't take somebody with a legal

13:31

background to disagree. That summary and as

13:33

a outraged and thanks as a somebody

13:36

that needs to be incarcerated for the

13:38

rest of their lives with no parole

13:40

So this behavior and start something. That.

13:43

Has been diminished Troops had been ham

13:45

and prison for twenty years. Of any

13:47

saying, this is this a time bomb

13:50

about to go off. He will do

13:52

it again. And quite frankly case has

13:54

been very disheartening. Some. To

13:57

discover a lot of has broken within

13:59

our For system. Have you been informed

14:01

about off all the things that have

14:04

happened in the last twenty years? Yes.

14:06

and now first of all on there

14:08

is a process to register online through

14:11

a As A Social Service Agencies on

14:13

That Ball against Nasa case since the

14:15

family is that for all his schedule

14:18

the or is the in May has

14:20

been released for some reason and apparently

14:22

what happened to couple years ago I

14:25

believe asserting that heightened covered periods where

14:27

there was an upgrade to the database

14:29

and. Somehow a lot of the information

14:31

requests are transferred over and we do have

14:34

these agencies that are set up to. Notify.

14:37

The. Next. Of kin so

14:39

to speak. Ah, I'm set. which would

14:41

be that is the father, The mother,

14:44

The father. Of ill when

14:46

that inmate. Is. Release to

14:48

the for all Harrys. Are you going

14:50

to be able to speakers of Road

14:52

Warrior? You yourself? Yes, I will be

14:54

Yes. And there's a designated certain amount

14:56

of people of course the father, the

14:58

mother, the father and I can have

15:00

a representative as well. Up. There

15:02

will be a an opportunity for me

15:04

to speak. Is

15:07

as Terry was saying in the in an interview

15:09

with her you know to there was somebody assigned

15:11

to keep in touch with her about when things

15:13

were happening when there would be frozen. But

15:16

after you coburn did throw a monkey

15:18

wrench into that. Kind. Of

15:20

notifying process. Unfortunately

15:23

we were encountered this

15:25

no. Trouble

15:27

times did one stores to

15:29

the. Significant. Others

15:31

have a victims in these cases

15:33

are an auto was notified. In

15:36

the prosecutors are notified the detectives who

15:38

were doing the stories often are notified.

15:41

lot of the ones would not have

15:43

known. About this and all

15:45

and had Cassie double not been watching

15:47

carefully this to to see what what

15:50

was coming up on and. Teary

15:52

Christie's mother, I noticed did not.

15:55

Do an interview, For. This

15:57

this new updated flurry was.

16:00

something behind that? She

16:02

is still a deeply grief-stricken

16:05

woman. She

16:08

and her daughter were incredibly

16:10

close, had

16:12

been all their lives. The

16:15

loss of Christie

16:17

in her life

16:19

has been so...

16:21

it's been awful. And

16:24

she had got to the point where she just couldn't

16:26

kind of sit in front of a camera and talk about

16:28

it again. And I got that

16:30

completely, I understand. And

16:32

on a much lighter note, your

16:35

look, going back in the time machine

16:37

of Keith Morrison and

16:41

getting to see you interview these people with...

16:43

and I was like, wait, Keith

16:45

was blonde, right? So, you know, I'm trying

16:47

to... I'm looking at your hair. And

16:50

I think it was like in between. It was like

16:52

maybe blondish gray. I'm not even

16:54

really sure. It was

16:56

going great by that point. But I'm telling

16:59

you, one of

17:01

the side effects of working on Dateline for as long

17:03

as I have is watching yourself

17:05

age on television. I look

17:07

at some of those stories from... Well,

17:11

I've been at NBC now since mid

17:13

1980s. That's a long time. Looking

17:15

back at some of that old material. That

17:17

clip that Seinfeld runs every once in a

17:20

while. I see it. I think, who the

17:22

hell was that? And it also

17:24

made me think of Bill Hader with the older ones,

17:26

you know, like the F and L skits.

17:30

But you don't look that different, to

17:32

be honest with you. Go get out of here.

17:34

I don't think so. I mean, and I'm

17:36

being like... The process is deeply disconcerting. Let

17:38

me put it that way. But

17:41

I've really enjoyed seeing the,

17:44

you know, the blending

17:47

of the old version. And then now... We've

17:50

done that on a couple of stories. I

17:53

enjoy doing it. Partly because, you

17:56

Know, we go and visit people when they're in the middle of

17:58

a crisis. The

18:00

tail end of a of a series of

18:02

crises would to change their lives dramatically. And

18:05

then we go Aca. This is how

18:07

the media where are you do the stories

18:09

and you say see later and sometimes you

18:11

keep in touch but often you don't. Am.

18:15

And then twenty years go by. And.

18:18

Then. You find out. Well. things

18:20

have happened and I saw that just made

18:22

from rich or story. Because.

18:25

We were able zombie there and from the very

18:27

beginning with you and. Now here we are with you.

18:30

All these years later is fascinating.

18:32

You. Talking about

18:34

this or is it was so

18:36

really just as like a made

18:38

own story. I was hooked from

18:40

the beginning to the and mothers'

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20:16

The first question is from Dude

20:18

in the Deserts says they briefly

20:20

touched on the fact that he

20:22

owned a few failed restaurants. As

20:24

speaking of Victor in Dude in

20:26

the Desert would be interested in

20:28

what some of his former staff

20:30

had to say. I guarantee he

20:32

creeped. Out more than a few of the

20:34

female staff members. Of probably

20:36

right I am. We didn't talk to of

20:38

his former. Employees said he

20:41

had three well phone's. Memory

20:43

and away and that was viewed

20:45

by the L a times a

20:47

guy great revealing itself Anyway, one

20:49

in Brentwood in the same building

20:51

as mods or corpsman named be

20:53

movie director who just died about

20:56

a month ago and I and

20:58

other rest are west Hollywood so

21:00

really good location of they all

21:02

failed and Cathy Bono interviewed his

21:04

partner in these restaurants Hills said

21:06

at one point something like every

21:08

time he went out with that

21:10

one of our regulars they. Never

21:12

came best. Oh okay, right.

21:14

yeah, and that partner knew there

21:17

was something pretty unsavory about. Vector.

21:21

Or it's this is from a

21:23

Besser. Any how. Do they find

21:25

similar looking people for the lineup?

21:27

Personally I would be ascended. I've

21:30

ever wedding for their live lineup is they're

21:32

finding in the jail. What is it an

21:35

interesting is that he and let his beard

21:37

grow after he was arrested so the detective

21:39

virginia open same mates are you with clean

21:41

shaven for that line of and then they

21:44

found other men in the jail that not

21:46

enough like him. I always feel

21:48

like I would fail one of those police line ups

21:50

if I was a witness. It's for

21:53

I think it's hard for she. says

21:55

that one of things as into same rather than

21:57

the six pack soda lineup that we hear about

21:59

a lot is that And with the live lineup,

22:01

you can see how someone moves, you can see

22:03

how tall they are, you can see a lot

22:05

more about them that is indicative of who they

22:07

are than just a photo. That's

22:09

true. All right, Mad World. I

22:12

wonder if they interviewed Victor's ex-wife. I

22:14

bet she has some stories to tell.

22:18

Victor's ex-wife would not respond to

22:20

our requests. And

22:22

as far as I know, she hasn't talked to anyone.

22:24

I mean, she may have talked to law enforcement, but

22:26

not to us. And I'm sure she does. All right,

22:29

this is again from Mad World. Kudos to

22:31

the composite sketch artist and the

22:33

witness who have such an accurate

22:35

picture. And

22:38

you mentioned something on

22:40

Twitter, Susan, that

22:42

the sketch artist was featured on another

22:44

episode of Dateline. She

22:47

was. She was retired just

22:49

recently, but she was in charge of all

22:51

the sketch artists with the county sheriff's department.

22:53

And her name is Sandra Enzlo. We have

22:56

a web story about her that we put

22:58

up in 2017 about that other case, which

23:00

was the

23:03

young woman named Crystal Taylor, who was

23:05

pregnant and was murdered and took them about

23:08

20 years to solve that crime. And

23:12

Sandra was really proud of the work she did on

23:14

this case because it really helped

23:16

to make the case, right? Without Susan Murphy,

23:19

getting that sketch done, then the

23:21

other information from Victor's

23:23

parole officer wouldn't have come in. He wouldn't

23:26

have been found so quickly. Sketch

23:28

artists have remarkable brains. I don't know

23:30

how they do it, but it's really

23:33

phenomenal. All right. This is from

23:35

Kathy. When I first

23:37

saw Christine during this episode tonight,

23:39

I knew I recognized her and her

23:41

manner of speaking, but I couldn't quite

23:43

place her. I agree.

23:45

I had the same feeling that I

23:48

had seen her before. I didn't know

23:50

why. But Kathy looked

23:52

it up, and her instincts were

23:54

right that she'd seen her before.

23:57

Christine had a small role on a Frasier episode.

24:00

And I was like, I'm going to do it in 2000.

24:02

I think Ligian's an actress and has had parts, working actress.

24:05

I didn't recognize her from her work. I

24:07

just know her from the story. Yeah. I

24:09

just felt like she's one of those people I felt like I

24:12

had seen before, which I get all the time in this

24:14

job. I get people, I feel

24:17

like I know you from somewhere, you know,

24:19

people who aren't like quite sure

24:22

why. And

24:25

then normally, you know, I'm always hesitant

24:27

to say dateline because, you

24:29

know, then you don't know if they're

24:32

going to say yes or no, and then you'll be

24:34

embarrassed. And then, you know, the one time I do

24:36

say dateline, they're like, no, I think you

24:38

look like my cousin or something.

24:41

I know Josh has people have accused him of

24:44

being on soap operas. Ah! A soap

24:46

opera? I have

24:48

never got that before. That is really funny.

24:51

All right. This is from

24:53

Randy Giamarco. I'll bet

24:55

every girl that worked in that mall knew who

24:58

Victor was and were creeped out. Did

25:00

you hear, Susan, about any other women in the Century

25:04

City Mall who were weirded out by

25:06

Victor that, you know, maybe

25:08

didn't have a bad situation with

25:10

him personally? Or maybe they did?

25:13

There were a few people who came forward and

25:15

said, I saw that guy and I ran away

25:17

from him, you know, at that instinct. Yeah. As

25:20

I mentioned earlier in this episode, I, in

25:23

the 90s, would go to the Century City Mall

25:25

all the time. I've been

25:27

trying to picture young Andrea pointing

25:30

at the mall. But it just makes me wonder, like,

25:32

did I see Victor? Like, I certainly don't

25:34

remember. I think I would remember

25:36

if someone had approached me about, you know,

25:39

being in a bond girl. But

25:42

I, you know, went there enough that I

25:44

surely could have possibly seen him there at

25:47

one point. So very, very

25:49

creepy story, very well-told story, as

25:51

I told Keith, very powerful. Kudos

25:54

to the women who came

25:56

forward and the women who brought him

25:58

down. Good job

26:00

for them and and protecting future women

26:02

from him. Right right? That's their

26:05

job now is. Thank you Susan so

26:07

much for. Sharing our viewers' thoughts

26:09

we always love to hear from our

26:11

dateline viewers and listeners. And

26:13

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26:15

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26:34

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