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Hi, everybody. This

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is Josh

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Mankiewicz and we're talking Dateline.

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And today's guest is... Andrea

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Canning, also talking Dateline. Nice

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to see you. You too. We're

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here to talk about your episode,

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The Hunt for the Gilgo Beach Killer.

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Now, if you have not, you in the audience

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have not seen this or heard the podcast

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version, it is the podcast

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watch it on TV and then come

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back here. Andrea,

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I want to congratulate you

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and Mario Garcia who produced

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this epic episode.

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You spoke with a lot of people.

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This might be a new

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record for my Datelines for a number

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of interviews. I

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think the reason we had so many was

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obviously this case is very expansive,

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but it was that we started

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and you know, sometimes when you don't get those bookings

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right away and so you do other bookings

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and you're like, what can we get? And

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then it snowballs and then those bookings start coming

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through that you were really trying to get. And

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so then you end up with a lot of interviews.

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And then you discover that some of the people that you

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booked because you thought you couldn't get those first

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group of people that you wanted. Sometimes that

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second group of people turns out

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they're great and you want to make sure they're in there. Here's

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something I want to talk about right off the top. You know,

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usually Dateline stories

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are about things that are not

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known to the audience. Like they don't know these

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people. We're introducing them to the

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audience for the first time. What

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is it like and what's different when

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you're covering a story like

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this one, like Gilgal Beach, which is being

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covered widely by our competition

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and by newspapers and by television

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stations and networks everywhere.

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and where a lot of people

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in your audience in the country sort

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of already know where the

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story stands. That's different from what

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we usually do. You

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know, when these cases get this big,

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when they rise to the level of the Gilgo Beach

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story, you know, we will put them on the air

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sooner because there is such an appetite

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for it. And I think also we

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need to do better than those other shows. We need to find

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more people. We need to put on a better program. And

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I think in this episode, we really did that.

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You know, we gave you so many people and so

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many different insights that I believe people hadn't

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heard before.

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And also we just we put

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it into a package for you, you know, A to

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Z.

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This might be the most comprehensive

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version of this out there now. I think it probably

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is. I think that's right. And

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I think it's unusual

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for us to do a story when

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there's only an arrest. So

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on the other hand, there's so much story

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that just leads up to that arrest, which you

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tell in this. What

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was incredible to me was how much information

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the prosecutor, the police released

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when they arrested Rex Horman.

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You don't usually get A, that

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much information, B, the

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key people talking before there's

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been a trial. Right. Usually

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it's an ongoing investigation and until the trial,

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we're not going to say anything because usually when

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we're doing dateline hours

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or two hours, the cops and

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the prosecutors will not talk to you until

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there's been a conviction. And in this case,

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you got both of them. We got both of

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them. Yeah, they're talking and people from the past

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are talking as well. The former commissioner

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and, you know, other people involved.

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A lot of times those people won't talk either because,

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you know, they'll go and talk to the prosecutor and

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the prosecutor will say, please wait. You

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know, we're trying to. So even those side

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players or the past players usually don't talk

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to you. So in this case, it's interesting how everyone

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just really opened up, which made our.

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job a lot easier. It

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must have also been unusual for you,

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Andrea, to cover a story sort

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of at its end or at least nearer

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to its end that you would also cover

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at the beginning all those years ago before

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you were on dayline. Yes,

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I covered the story extensively

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when the bodies were found. When

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I heard there was an arrest, to be honest, I'd kind

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of forgotten about the story because it had been

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so many years and I went, wait, what? So

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it was a shock to me too to hear that it was

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Rex Huerman, is the

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person arrested, is the person suspected?

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Because

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back then there were so many theories floating

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around. Oh, it has to be a police officer.

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It's a doctor. It's a lobsterman. It's...

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And some... Robert Kolker, the

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author of the story, said it best. He said, with serial

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killers, uncaught serial killers, it

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becomes like a parlor game. Who

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did it? Everyone has their own theory

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as to who did it. So for it to finally

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come out that the accused was an architect,

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working in Manhattan, that was

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strange to me. I was not expecting

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that. One of the great things

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that I thought you did in this story visually

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was you made the beach and

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the shoreline, which is a beautiful

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place, I certainly think, in almost

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all places where there is shoreline, it's

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gorgeous. But you made it seem

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in this story kind of scary and kind of

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forbidding and ominous because this is

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where the bodies were found. And it's also

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where the

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first person you talk about, Shannon Gilbert, where she

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disappeared. So tell me

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a little bit about sort of what the mood was

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back then when the bodies were found in what

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was a pretty nice area. Yeah,

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I think it was just a lot of fear. Fear

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of the unknown, fear of is this person

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amongst us. Because

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the thought was that this person knows

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this area, especially to have

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so many bodies dump there.

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You know, a.

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course, is it the same person? Are there multiple

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killers? They didn't know, but they

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definitely felt like

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the person or the people responsible knew

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this area. If you live around there,

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you might know it. Exactly. You might cross

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paths with them all the time. Might be somebody you

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see in your daily routine who you don't feel

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afraid of at all. Right. Because they didn't,

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they did not feel like this with someone driving

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from somewhere far away who really

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doesn't know the area but keeps jumping bodies there.

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That was not what anyone thought. So that

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was the prevailing thought was that this

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is one of us. This is someone we

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know. This could be a neighbor. And so

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I think that there's that element of we

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live in this beautiful community. We

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live on the beach. In the summer,

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it is so busy there. People are everywhere.

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It's a really popular place to go.

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Jones Beach is right near there. Now,

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in the winter, it

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has a different vibe.

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There's no people around. It becomes

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very desolate. You know, it's cold. So there's

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kind of two sides to that area. And

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the spookier side,

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I would say, is that winter side. In the

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summer, it's just very vibrant. You don't really

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think about that kind of thing happening.

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For the people who live there, it's just shattered their world

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because this is their idyllic, you know,

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slice of heaven that they live in along the Atlantic.

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One of the problems that

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you talked about in this story is how law

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enforcement was accused early on

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of not taking murders

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of women in the sex business as seriously

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as others. And that's also the problem in

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journalism. And I thought that you did a great job making

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it clear how all of the women in your

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story were loved and

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missed regardless of the work that

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they were doing at the time. Because sometimes it's hard

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to get families to talk

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about that because they're

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embarrassed or they want to fix the other person,

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the dead person's image after

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they're gone. And I thought the

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families that you interviewed were... sort

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of very, you know, very

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clear about, you know, I didn't

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love that she was doing this, but this is who she was, and

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she was doing it, and we loved her, and we

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didn't stop loving her because of the business she was in.

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It was amazing how honest they were. And for

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me, it was really important, the tone of the story,

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to make sure that we got that across, that

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these were mothers, they were sisters,

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they were daughters, they were all loved.

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You know, none of these

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women were just abandoned by their families and

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didn't want anything to do with them. You know, they

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had families back home. They just unfortunately

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got into this cycle because they needed many, one of

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them needed money for her child,

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you know, one of them wanted to make it on Broadway, and

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of course it's very difficult, you know, so here she

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is in New York City with no money. So

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unfortunately, whether it was their choice or,

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you know, their boyfriend dragged them into it,

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you know, or whatever it was, they

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did end up in this life that

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they never set out to be in, and suddenly

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they were in it. And so

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I admired the families for being open about

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that. You know, I mean,

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it's a, sometimes family and

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friends don't want to talk, in part because like people want

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to judge, you know, they're afraid of getting

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on television and saying, this was my

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sister or this was my daughter. I

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always say, if this was a

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soccer mom from Westport,

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Connecticut, who goes missing,

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two completely different responses,

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two different worlds. Because we know

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that if a mom goes missing from Westport, it's going

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to be on every news cycle, every

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morning show, there's going to

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be press conferences from the lawn, you know,

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it's going to be a just a much different scenario.

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And there's going to be a police task force. Yeah,

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immediately. That's what sort of sad is

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how, you know, people, I think blame them.

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Well, you got yourself into this life, you know, there are

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people who see it that way. But you know, I

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mean, clearly, one of the things

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that changed was that both

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the DA and the police

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commissioner there are. relatively new

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and so you know this was

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a this

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mark just not sort of new blood in

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the suffocating but also really kind of a

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new attitude they made

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this a priority clearly they felt

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it had sort of languished too

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long and they worked really hard on it

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and look what happened

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you know one of the things that can happen

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in a big case is

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that with a lot of info

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coming in which you know certainly

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in the early days you don't necessarily know what's important

10:39

what is it things can fall between the cracks

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and it feels like that's what happened here

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the the tip that came from

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from one of Amber Costello's roommates yeah

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and I had actually interviewed one of

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the roommates back in the day when I covered

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this story and by

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scouring through these old witness accounts

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these old reports there's a little

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nugget in there a little diamond you

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know amongst all this information

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they said it

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was a

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man that she had been with who was oglish

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looking really tall and drove

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a Chevy Avalanche the green Chevy

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Avalanche green they gave the color and it ended

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up being like a first edition first edition

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or something they struck gold

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you know they they I'm sorry I keep using

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diamonds and gold and but

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I mean this was the gold this was the diamonds

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this was everything right it was

11:32

the mother load this was the mother load

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of this story was taking

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that tip seriously finally

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and it just and it cracked the case

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wide open it was it was huge you

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know it opened the floodgates it left led

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to who owns this

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vehicle in this area you

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know and I hope we have Rex Heuerman an architect

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who commutes between Massapequa Park

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in Manhattan which is where these phones were

11:58

you know triangulated Cops

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sometimes talk about how cold

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cases are solved by changes

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in circumstance, which is, you

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know, somebody like says, you know, I'm not gonna lie

12:10

for you anymore. You know, I gave you an alibi 20 years

12:13

ago, but you're not my boyfriend

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or girlfriend anymore, and I'm not gonna have anything

12:17

to do with you, and I'm changing my story. I'm gonna say what

12:19

really happened. Or changes in

12:21

technology, which is, you know, things like touch

12:24

DNA and cell phone

12:26

triangulation, the ability

12:29

of a police

12:31

department to figure out, oh, no, these phones

12:33

are active in two places. This is

12:35

a guy who commutes, which sort of

12:37

fits with what the profiler

12:39

said, which is this is gonna be somebody who just

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sort of slithers among us that

12:44

we don't even think about, somebody

12:46

who just seems completely normal. Well,

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once you get to know Rex Hureman,

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some people are gonna say he's completely normal, and

12:55

some people who you interviewed are gonna

12:57

say something else. I

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mean, there really were two sides to this guy. Yeah,

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there were. And even the

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side that people didn't like,

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I don't know that

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even for them that rose to the level

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of, you know, alleged serial killer. No.

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Like he was in maybe he was annoying at work or he

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made, you know, offhanded comments that people

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didn't like, but I don't think anyone

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was thinking, I don't like him. He's a serial

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killer. No,

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I loved that you booked his coworker and that woman

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who said, you know, in a million years

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I never would have thought this was possible because that's

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exactly the kind of person that doesn't

13:33

want to talk after somebody's

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arrested. And when they realize, oh, I was actually wrong

13:38

about this person. And one of the

13:41

parts of her interview that didn't make the show was

13:44

when she talks about him taking her to her

13:47

apartment after she slipped and fell on the ice

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and he took her to the hospital and he went, you know,

13:51

to the pharmacy for her and he went up to her apartment. I

13:55

said to her, I said,

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I almost like cringe saying

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it.

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They said, would you call him? Like, was

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he like a gentle giant?

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And she cringed

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saying it back, yes.

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Because

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it's like you don't

14:10

want to say that about someone who's accused

14:12

of such heinous crimes. You don't want to call

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them a gentle giant, but that's how she felt in the moment.

14:17

But the guy she knew was. Yeah.

14:21

So that was like a powerful moment in that interview for

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me. I was like, wow. But

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you know what she said, though? That was so poignant.

14:28

She said, because she was about

14:30

the age

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of the victims at that point.

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And she said, but like there's two

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kinds of people for him. She wasn't that

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escort. She

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was a co-worker. She was in a different bucket.

14:43

So she was

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very likely never in danger. It

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didn't seem like to anyone that he would

14:49

go after someone like her. He had

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allegedly, he had a type.

14:55

So this is something

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we were discussing a little bit earlier. This

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is a story where there's a lot of competition for

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interviews. So let's talk a little bit

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about what we do and what we don't do

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when we are competing with other people

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for a story. For example, somebody

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in this story, we don't have to say who, but somebody

15:15

in this story who was someone we would have

15:17

loved to have spoken with wanted money.

15:20

And we don't pay anybody. So like you

15:23

have to let that go. I've had that happen in other

15:25

stories in which somebody says, I'll

15:28

do it, but I'm going to need to get paid. And I say,

15:31

then we can't do it. That's really common these

15:33

days, especially as true crime just seems

15:35

to keep exploding. Everyone's

15:38

covering true crime now. And some

15:40

of those outlets pay. They

15:43

will pay money. We are a news organization.

15:45

We are NBC News. We do not pay.

15:48

So sometimes you're booking these people with one arm

15:50

tied behind your back. And

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you have to use just old fashioned like, look,

15:55

we will do you right. I think

15:57

that people are almost always happy with the way

15:59

they're portrayed on day one. unless they happen to be

16:01

the actual murder. When people are reticent,

16:04

when they're uncomfortable with talking, I always

16:07

say to them, look, don't take my word for it.

16:09

Call somebody else. Call another family

16:11

that's been on Dateline and see what they thought. Pick

16:14

anybody. We'll put you in Dutch with them. Our

16:16

best recommendation is our resume. Oops. I

16:19

don't... Did you hear that? There's a cat... I'm gonna

16:22

break it up with a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. Hold on.

16:24

Go away.

16:26

Leftover Halloween candy, breaking up a cat

16:28

fight. In my room, sorry.

16:31

No, this is the kind of Dateline behind the scenes moment

16:33

that our viewers and listeners love. I

16:36

have two female cats that do not get along. One's

16:39

a kitten. One has been here for a while. She didn't

16:41

like the kitten taking over her turf.

16:43

So now we have this. Getting

16:46

back to what we're talking about, I think we do pay

16:49

very careful attention to what families want

16:52

to talk about. And

16:54

frequently they are. They are nervous

16:56

going into interviews because they think like, this

16:59

is it. I'm telling the story not just

17:01

to you, but in front of the whole country. Yeah. I mean,

17:03

they're not doing it for us.

17:05

They're doing it for themselves. They're doing

17:08

it for... So people can learn about

17:10

their loved one. And it's important to

17:12

me that we honor that because

17:16

otherwise, what is the point of doing it? Because

17:19

most people don't want to be on TV. They're

17:21

not... Especially after what they've been through, they're, oh,

17:23

this is going to get me on TV. No, that is not

17:26

what is going through their minds. Not at all.

17:29

I want my loved one to be honored

17:31

and I want my story to be heard. One

17:33

of the things that I

17:35

experience again and again with Dateline is sort

17:38

of how you

17:40

end up going through this whole process with

17:42

the family. Because you're originally

17:44

making contact with them frequently before

17:47

any arrest has been made. The

17:50

crime has happened. The person's either

17:52

missing or they've been found dead, but

17:55

there's no resolution to it at all. And

17:57

then you're kind of with them over those weeks.

18:00

months, sometimes years before

18:02

there's an answer, you've been interacting

18:04

with that family, you know, at all

18:07

levels from the first shock and the first

18:09

grief and the hope that maybe they're going to be found alive

18:11

to the beliefs that they won't be and

18:13

then the news that they actually have been found and you

18:15

sort of, you know, live that with them

18:18

all the way through if they're

18:20

lucky, you know, arrest, trial,

18:22

conviction. So you see

18:24

the families at all these different stages. Yeah,

18:27

and you feel a connection with them too. Sure,

18:30

you have to. You finish the interview and

18:32

you're like, look, think about what we

18:34

just went through. You know, we just went

18:36

through the whole story from beginning

18:39

to end of their child

18:41

or their sister or friend, you know, especially

18:43

if it's a child, it's like we go back to the beginning.

18:45

What kind of child was she or he and, you

18:48

know, all the way up to sentencing,

18:50

you know, you've essentially covered

18:52

an entire span of someone's

18:55

life in this, you know, three hour interview

18:57

and you feel really connected

18:59

to the person you're talking to at the end that because

19:01

they've shared such

19:02

personal information with you.

19:11

What's the thinking now among

19:13

law enforcement? I mean, if it

19:16

is Rex, because we haven't had the trial, if it is

19:18

Rex Uriman, did he have help

19:21

or are there two killers, two

19:24

killers who just happened to coincidentally

19:26

dump their bodies in the same area? People

19:29

didn't know each other. Yeah. Could be more. That's

19:32

a little hard to believe, but there's nothing pointing

19:34

to anybody else involved. Yeah,

19:36

I mean, he's accused of killing

19:38

three of the women and he's the prime suspect and

19:41

a fourth. You know, is he responsible

19:43

for more? I mean, we know there's many

19:45

more bodies. So, you know, no one knows

19:47

right now. This is, this investigation

19:50

is far from over. He's accused

19:52

in three, a prime suspect

19:54

in a fourth, but he's not accused

19:57

in the case of Shannon Gilbert, which

19:59

was a the case that started all of this and

20:01

led to the bodies being discovered

20:04

because police don't officially

20:06

believe that hers was a murder.

20:10

And I will say she does sound like

20:12

she could be disoriented or on something

20:14

in that 911 call, but the

20:17

family is convinced that she did

20:19

meet some kind of foul play, even though police

20:22

are sort of convinced that she did not,

20:24

that that was accidental. Foul play

20:26

or maybe she was given drugs

20:29

and it made her even more disoriented

20:32

or... But remember, she's running saying

20:34

they're trying to kill me on her 911 call. So

20:37

who's trying to kill her? But remember,

20:39

John Ray, the family attorney, has now,

20:42

in our story, he

20:44

has brought more witnesses

20:46

to the table. John Ray does not

20:48

believe that

20:49

Shannon died of natural causes

20:52

and nor does her sister. So

20:54

John Ray is definitely more in the camp of that

20:57

she was potentially murdered. John

20:59

Ray hired by the family. Right. And

21:02

he worked with Mary, the mother who tragically died.

21:05

She died without really truly knowing

21:07

what happened

21:09

to Shannon. And without

21:11

seeing any arrest in the case, that

21:13

would have been before this.

21:15

No. And she didn't know

21:17

obviously about the arrests in the cases

21:20

of the other women. So she died

21:22

very unsettled with

21:24

what had happened to her daughter. So

21:31

now I think we're going to talk about, let's

21:33

talk about Commissioner Harrison. One

21:36

of the things I loved about

21:38

your interviews was that the DA

21:41

talks like a cop and the cop

21:43

talks like a DA. Like, Rodney

21:45

Harrison sounds like he's like a politician. He's

21:48

very great on camera.

21:51

And choosing his words carefully. And

21:53

the DA is like, you know, he was

21:56

letting it flow. He sounds like a police

21:59

officer. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And then

22:01

Commissioner Harrison was saying, I hope

22:04

he didn't say too much, you

22:06

know, which I feel like usually

22:08

it's the other way around. The DA is more

22:10

concerned about the police saying

22:12

too much so they don't mess up their case. So

22:15

they definitely both had very different

22:17

personalities. And

22:19

you know what I respect so much about Rodney

22:22

Harrison is the

22:24

fact that he really recognized

22:27

how much the families were

22:29

ignored and he's

22:31

working so hard to change that. And

22:34

when John Ray had that press conference about the new

22:36

witnesses, Commissioner Harrison

22:39

went and he told

22:41

me, I interviewed him after just as a quick follow up

22:43

and he said, why

22:46

would I not be there? Why would I not

22:48

be open to anything anyone has to

22:50

say at this point? We have unsolved

22:53

murders. We need people to come forward

22:56

and I need to show the public that

22:58

I am open to anything and anyone.

23:01

And District Attorney Tierney as

23:03

well, you know, really also, you

23:06

know, wanted to get those answers for the family. So

23:08

my hats off to both of them for

23:11

this hard work that they've done and for caring

23:13

as much as they do and making a great team. You

23:16

know, this stint in Suffolk County,

23:18

you know, sort of came at the after

23:21

the end of a lengthy career in New

23:23

York City for Chief of Detective. He's

23:26

got a big family of police officers

23:28

himself, right? He's kind of like the real

23:30

life bluebloods. Well, that's what

23:33

I said because

23:35

he has children who are police

23:37

officers. His wife was a police officer. Oh

23:39

my gosh, it went on and on. How many police officers?

23:41

And I said, you're like bluebloods. And he said, well, we're

23:43

the black version of bluebloods.

23:47

And he laughed. Oh, and I'll tell

23:49

you one funny thing you said. So we

23:51

were doing the follow up interview after the John

23:54

Ray press conference and we were on that

23:56

stretch of Gilgo.

23:58

And it was very.

23:59

noisy. And also

24:02

our producer Mario was afraid to

24:04

cross the street. He's gonna kill me for a second.

24:06

He was like, I don't know that we should cross the street. And the

24:09

commissioner kind of made fun of Mario about crossing

24:11

the street. And it was all

24:13

in jest, I promise you. Anyway, we crossed and

24:15

it was we started doing the interview was super loud.

24:18

So Commissioner Harrison said he's

24:20

like, well, I can shut this down if you

24:22

want. Do you want me to shut it down? Just quickly.

24:25

I know some people. And I was like,

24:28

I was like, No, I know what I just

24:31

in good faith can't do that to the people

24:33

commuting. Can't make Long Island

24:35

traffic any worse. It is

24:37

one of those stretch of roads that isn't like, you

24:40

know, it wouldn't cause like a major meltdown. But

24:42

I just I was like, I can't because if it was me

24:44

and I had to turn around or wait, I would

24:46

be like, No, 35 years

24:49

ago, I did a series for Channel Two in New

24:51

York about how terrible the traffic was on Long Island.

24:53

So I'm only getting it. I can tell

24:55

you worse. Oh, my gosh, having to drive

24:58

out there so many times this summer and

25:00

on call, I was right. Oh,

25:02

my gosh, I was like, and you

25:04

start, you stop, you start, you stop. You

25:06

don't know what the problem is. So

25:09

anyway, so so I declined the offer

25:11

and I told him that was very nice. But we

25:13

would wait for gaps in traffic to

25:17

to do our interviews. So we got

25:19

a good chuckle out of that. The drivers

25:21

of Suffolk County appreciate you, Andrea. So,

25:24

you know, it feels like this is a story

25:27

that you and Mario, your producer,

25:29

are almost certainly going to return to.

25:32

Oh, yes, there's going to there's going to be a trial.

25:35

There might be other arrests, might be other suspects.

25:38

You know, nobody really knows what lies ahead, except

25:40

that we there's a lot that we do

25:42

not know. And there's also

25:44

the case which you mentioned of the woman in

25:46

South Carolina. Yeah, about

25:48

which very little is known. I don't

25:51

know a lot about it, just we know that a lead

25:53

was provided because Rex

25:55

Heurman owned property

25:57

in South Carolina and that a lead was

25:59

provided that they're

25:59

could be a connection there. So I

26:02

know that the task force is investigating,

26:04

don't know much more about it,

26:06

you know, other than that this

26:08

is something they're now looking into, that she, you

26:11

know, she could be another victim. I mean,

26:13

there could end up being, you know, even a date, a

26:15

separate date line with another

26:18

case that does not involve Rex Heurman,

26:20

but involves Gilgo Beach. What

26:22

an unbelievable coincidence that would

26:25

be if it turns out there's a second killer

26:28

and unconnected to Rex Heurman

26:30

or whoever is responsible for the murders

26:33

that he's going to go on trial for. It's

26:35

hard to believe, but that could happen. This

26:39

was something that I don't see in a lot of date

26:41

line stories. I loved that there was

26:43

footage of the arrest. That

26:47

frequently is not something that we're lucky enough

26:49

to get the video of, but we did in

26:52

this case. And frequently when we do get

26:54

it, it's because the trial's

26:56

already over and there was a conviction. And

26:58

in this case, you had it and

27:00

there hasn't even been a trial yet, which I just thought was

27:02

great. It's like there has been

27:04

a trial with all the information that's out

27:07

there, even though we know there has not been a trial, but

27:09

it feels like there's been a trial

27:12

with the information that we've been provided, which

27:15

just shows how transparent

27:18

they're being with the public. You

27:20

know, it's just unusual that you can provide this

27:22

much information, this early

27:25

on in a case. So it's

27:27

not over. We're going to see a lot more. We're

27:29

going to learn a lot more information and

27:33

you know, they're busy, busy, busy working

27:35

on these other bodies. So it will

27:38

be very, very interesting to find, to

27:40

see what they find out. Andrea,

27:43

thank you for talking Dateline. Thank

27:45

you. you