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Let's be frank. We don't

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assemble the opinions and firsthand accounts

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of the priests, parishioners, and police

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who were willing to talk. But

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at this point in the investigation, we

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have talked to priests, parishioners, and

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policemen on both sides of the metaphorical

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aisle. And time and time

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again. It seems that those

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who have lived with accepting what the death

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certificate reads, are misinformed.

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We are hoping father Joe's friends who

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took their colleague in the medical examiner's

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office who are in the precincts word

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for it. We'll listen to this podcast

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and consider the odds and

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reexamine their ID of the truth. Rachel

1:13

and I are not from Buffalo. In

1:15

two thousand twelve, we hadn't even met

1:17

yet. And almost everyone who

1:19

was in the church, at the crime scene,

1:22

or with father Joe the day he died,

1:24

has either passed away in the last ten years

1:27

or won't talk. We

1:30

were in the middle of this investigation and

1:32

we couldn't find an unbiased buffalonian

1:35

who was in the Catholic diocese or

1:38

the DA's office or the police

1:40

force. We needed an

1:42

inside man with no agenda,

1:44

who did not know father Joe, but

1:47

lived and breathed in Buffalo long

1:49

enough to know how the city works.

1:53

And we knew we had to go back to Buffalo

1:55

to find him. The ten

1:57

year anniversary of father Joe's death

1:59

was approaching. And without a certain

2:01

plan for publishing this podcast series,

2:04

Rachel and I traveled back to Buffalo. The

2:08

town of Tonawanda was more haunting this

2:10

time. Erie County was living

2:12

up to its Erie name, with

2:14

a constant gloom shading the sun

2:17

from piercing through. We were

2:19

no longer tourists, oblivious to

2:21

the corruption plaguing the city.

2:23

And we were on a mission. A real award.

2:26

We didn't understand it. We're

2:28

on a mission from God.

2:35

In light clockwork, the coincidences

2:37

start. First, we

2:39

went to a casino that had a few restaurants

2:41

in it, and we picked the most burger and hot

2:44

dog joint we can and jack up

2:46

at the bar. Only to fight out the bartenders

2:48

apparently, the nephew of someone

2:50

inside the DA's office. But

2:53

when we go to Seibu and Joe's senior,

2:56

or stunned by Joe senior's rapid decline.

3:00

Worried that we weren't gonna get the man.

3:02

Any more answers? We

3:05

were growing weary. After

3:08

a number of abruptly ended phone calls,

3:10

we were feeling desperate Hold up

3:13

in a hotel along the Niagara River.

3:16

We were plotting our next move,

3:18

organizing a cell abrasion honoring

3:20

father Joe at Saint Lawrence

3:23

on the ten year anniversary of his death

3:25

on October thirteenth. Twenty

3:27

twenty two.

3:30

We had two days. And

3:33

then miraculously,

3:35

The inside man we were looking for

3:38

seemingly appears out

3:40

of thin air.

3:45

We're gonna call him Frank. He

3:47

is a former Seminary and he has

3:50

had Sue's contact info for years.

3:53

But now, today, of

3:55

all random Tuesdays, he

3:58

was Peldery jab while

4:00

we are in Buffalo. We

4:03

explained what we were doing with the podcast,

4:05

and after a bit of convincing him

4:08

to trust us. He agrees

4:10

to an interview, but asks

4:12

for his voice to be modulated to

4:14

protect his identity. Yeah.

4:18

So I was in the sanitary for a

4:20

number of years. For the buffalo

4:24

He explains that he wasn't always following

4:26

this path in life, but then

4:28

had a very strong calling experience

4:30

Yeah. I had a I had

4:33

a really strong

4:36

calling experience at a mass And

4:44

my life changed at that point forever

4:46

afterwards. It's

4:48

very hard to describe, but I

4:56

heard a couple things, but it wasn't like an auditory

4:58

thing. So they're

5:00

nervous. But

5:03

somehow it's not all around you.

5:05

Thank you. Yeah.

5:08

Tough to explain, but I

5:11

knew that something had radically

5:14

shifted inside of me. I

5:18

was a totally different person before

5:21

and after the calling. Yeah.

5:24

Oh, you have to be completely honest about everything and

5:26

then me as well, guess. But I could talk about

5:28

the application process in there for that.

5:30

Go back on. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I

5:32

have this calling experience. And I

5:37

decide to apply to the

5:39

Diocese of Buffalo, my

5:41

native city in Diocese. And,

5:46

you know, I thought I was just going to be

5:49

taught how to be a priest, but

5:51

as you would expect. But

5:53

I realized it fell unknowingly

5:58

into this side world of

6:01

abusive power, sexual

6:07

relationships with priests, like

6:10

hearing about all their exploits, and

6:12

I'm bragging about it at, like, these parties

6:15

with some inarians. And

6:19

I know a lot of good priests, and it

6:21

just shocked me because I'd never heard any

6:23

priest talk like that before. And when

6:25

I was in seminary, a lot of guys

6:28

would talk with me and I was kind of a sounding

6:30

board for a lot of them. So would

6:32

hear a lot of what was going on without

6:34

being a firsthand witness to a lot

6:36

of this stuff. So I just

6:38

have all this information coming at me and

6:41

then as the years went on, it just

6:43

gets worse because we're we're we're in

6:45

seminary at a time. We have highest

6:47

numbers ever. And

6:50

then our rector, Joe

6:53

Gatto, gets accused of

6:55

inappropriate touching of

6:57

adults. But

7:00

unlike every other case in the day, she's a

7:02

buffalo, he

7:05

is allowed to return to ministry.

7:08

Unlimited touching. He's allowed to

7:10

return to ministry because it didn't

7:12

rise to the level

7:15

of taking him out of active

7:17

ministry. So he's

7:18

part of the the boys club. The

7:20

guys is a buffalo as they call it. The

7:22

boys boys club, the lavender mouthy.

7:39

With a strong connection between every

7:42

little guys who wanna to the pontiff

7:45

gold regorian in Rome -- Mhmm. --

7:47

which is a seminary supposedly

7:49

for the best and the brightest. It's like the Bishopmaker.

7:52

Yeah. Like, the place I would wanna

7:54

stay away from with all, like, anyone

7:57

who wants to be a bishop in this D and H,

7:59

they either have a personality to harder, they're legally

8:01

insane. Because, like, you're just you're

8:03

managing over the decline -- Mhmm. --

8:05

and you're the CEO of

8:08

a spiritual thing. With your businessman

8:11

to this spiritual entity.

8:15

We wanna make it known in all of this.

8:18

We are not questioning god.

8:21

We're questioning those in charge of the church

8:24

in the twenty first Wondery. Henry

8:29

men's always bishop at the time. And,

8:32

yeah, it's been alleged that and

8:36

I've heard several seminarians

8:38

who were seminarians at the time, some

8:41

are priests, some are ex seminarians. That

8:44

this took place, that there were Colombian

8:47

cementarians

8:49

being brought in from South

8:51

America.

8:53

And they

8:55

were being found out two

8:58

different homosexual priests

9:02

and they were used in abuse.

9:06

The boy's Club has strong connections

9:09

to Rome. So some other

9:11

priests coincidentally that

9:13

were there around the same time, Oklahoma.

9:17

David Lipoma. Montana

9:21

Slovakia who'll come up later.

9:26

Monciniar Shupka, former rector of the

9:28

Seminary before Gatto, SIEPKA.

9:36

Sorry. Richard Scruggska. That's

9:38

IEPKA.

9:46

Gross was a big part of it, but he

9:49

did not go there. Okay? He's

9:51

he is probably the head honcho of the whole

9:53

boys club. He protected

9:56

all of the pedophiles. I

10:00

know of one victim who I'm

10:02

personally friends with. And

10:06

he did literally nothing. The

10:10

priest got moved around. This is after

10:12

the Dallas charter after

10:14

they were told exactly what they had to do

10:16

to protect miners. Grosch

10:18

knew what he had to do. He knew these

10:20

pre shrub users. And

10:23

he still let them go on to different churches

10:26

and hurt other minors. Like

10:30

Art Smith, is one of the biggest

10:33

scumbags. You'll ever the

10:36

guy should have had thrown

10:39

out of the pre food decades

10:42

ago. And he

10:45

has abused everyone from his

10:47

own nephew to

10:50

from ages. Now probably

10:53

twenty to sixty. He

10:56

leads such a trail of victims that

10:59

it is just disgusting. And

11:01

he is such a nurse, sister, sociopath,

11:03

I don't know. I'm not a psychologist. I can't. But

11:06

he'll actually go out

11:08

of his way to say he did nothing wrong.

11:10

And he'll go on the news. He's been on the news multiple

11:12

times to do he's some of the Diocese first.

11:16

Yeah. Yeah.

11:18

No. So these pedophiles, they have no

11:20

shame. They have no shame. So the

11:22

equal so you have the pedophiles, which

11:25

were mostly gone dead

11:27

in not in jail. In this Diocese, none of

11:29

them got arrested. Literally, I don't think one of them

11:32

ever got arrested I think it's partly

11:34

that. I think it's partly they

11:36

they realize that, hey, your earrings are the same

11:38

thing I do in seminary. Mhmm. I

11:40

think it's also they they weed out

11:43

the guys who aren't gonna go along in seven

11:45

area. So like most of

11:47

the straight men that I need,

11:49

it's not very systematically needed

11:52

out.

11:57

Weeded out by the Lavender mafia.

12:00

The Good Old Boys Club, clogged

12:03

deep within the Diocese, grooming

12:06

members from Seminary forward. It's

12:09

a hard club to define the characteristics of

12:11

member ship. But

12:14

its existence is woven into the fabric

12:16

of buffalo Catholic

12:17

folklore, no matter who you

12:19

talk to. Even

12:23

the few open homosexual ones

12:26

that were able to be okay with their identity.

12:29

They would get questions from the closeted

12:32

homosexual. Like, how are you gonna be able to

12:34

how are you gonna be able to do those as a gay

12:36

man? Just the biggest hit

12:38

or panoptoole nonsense will ever

12:41

eat in the flesh. Absolutely.

12:43

And here's the unholy alliance. Here's

12:45

the whole thing, which a lot of people

12:48

are totally getting wrong throughout this whole

12:50

scandal. And they wanna point a finger

12:52

at just some pedophiles or just homosexual

12:55

priests. But it was an unholy

12:57

alliance between the two. They

12:59

both had dirty secrets. Yeah. So

13:02

the the homosexual priests

13:06

let's say, for example, well, there's,

13:09

let's say, there's homosexual priests and

13:11

he is having a relationship with man

13:13

in Canada. Which

13:16

a lot of Buffalo Police are known to do in

13:18

Toronto. And Let's

13:22

say he's having a relationship with that man.

13:24

Well, he finds out that good old

13:26

father so and so in his abused x

13:29

amount of children. Oh, father

13:32

So and so decides that he's

13:34

gonna say, well, you can't tell

13:36

about what I'm doing because then

13:39

I'm gonna tell everyone what you're doing. And

13:41

you bet your bottom dollar and that these pedophiles

13:44

will kick the bucket over on their way out. They'll

13:46

light the whole thing up. They don't care. It's

13:48

all about personal survival and their

13:50

own their own needs.

13:52

It's all about them. That's

13:54

why, like, when these pedophiles get caught, like, in

13:56

Buffalo, he's just like, how many people and when

13:59

they interviewed Orsula, they're, like, how many people did

14:01

you abuse? Oh, probably dozens. Says

14:04

it to the news newspaper, like, he's almost part of

14:06

it. Same thing with the guy in Boston that broke

14:08

home story in the nineties. How are you?

14:10

Oh, God. Must have been hundreds? Or even

14:12

no, it was so many. And they're, like, they're probably

14:21

So a lot of these deacons. They want

14:23

they don't maybe they don't know they're so

14:25

far away, but they

14:27

don't really know if a full worry. Right?

14:29

They were using nothing. They're not living in these

14:31

rectories. They're not hanging out with these priests at

14:34

night. Right? I mean, in

14:36

some area we call the

14:38

laced by day, whether by night crowd. And

14:42

we all knew it existed, but it was

14:44

just like I'm gonna do everything in my power

14:46

to not be one of those. Like, I mean,

14:49

I'm not gonna fall into that trap of ever

14:52

protecting them. Right? I know I'm never gonna

14:54

be one of those purpose. But, like, I'm never

14:56

gonna I don't wanna even wanna be in that

14:58

club. And the more that went on, it was

15:00

just like you're either in that club or you're not

15:03

in it at all. Like, that is

15:05

the whole club. Well,

15:07

so the people that people

15:09

delay people, the people who love Buffalo deserve better.

15:12

Yeah. They deserve so much better. I mean,

15:14

we we have a very faithful very

15:17

faithful city that loves

15:19

its church. And they

15:21

love the campbell church. They love

15:23

their churches. And they're

15:25

just appalled. I mean, look

15:27

at the numbers that the buffalo Diocese

15:30

themselves have put out since

15:32

Malone was in power

15:35

Donations have gone down, I think,

15:37

forty percent. That's

15:39

since two thousand twelve coincidentally seen

15:41

Europe. My father, Joe.

15:47

Oh, yeah. At first, most some

15:49

of the areas, and I'll I'll admit that I

15:51

took the same approach. It's the bumper mentality.

15:54

It's and then my were

15:57

better and better than that. You

15:59

know, no one wants to believe that the problems in their

16:01

backyard with their people. But you

16:04

know, at a certain point, it becomes

16:06

delusional not to think that where

16:08

there's so much evidence to the contrary that

16:12

Not only is it going on, that is,

16:14

in fact, was a large scale criminal

16:17

conspiracy to

16:19

cover up the abuse of children The

16:23

abuse not only the abuse of children, the

16:25

sexual transportation and and

16:28

traffic of of mine is definitely through

16:30

state lines and I know of definitely

16:33

through several countries at least

16:35

to I mean, these

16:37

things are major crimes. And

16:41

in the beginning, it was like you see things

16:43

out of rose colored glasses. Like, Right?

16:45

You know, when you're young and patriotic,

16:47

America can do no wrong, you know,

16:50

and you read, you know, a book, you know, read the

16:52

Jacarta. About the history of the CIA.

16:55

And you realize, oh, wait, we've been doing wrong for

16:57

something into world war two. But,

17:00

you know, back to to

17:02

like, in the beginning of the seminary, it

17:05

was it felt right. It felt like It

17:10

felt like I was where I was supposed to be

17:12

in terms of spiritually. I was just going

17:14

to mass. I didn't know about all that other stuff going

17:17

on. And then everything

17:19

started breaking down. Over

17:27

the course of the next, I'd

17:30

say, during that year,

17:33

certificate of that. The scandals, Orcellence, was

17:35

interviewed by the Buffalo News. He

17:37

broke up, but he he broke the whole scandal. Orcellence,

17:40

J. Token is a storming with Orcellence. Norbert

17:44

Orsula's, but he admitted

17:46

abusing probably dozens of boys.

17:49

That program in the whole story. So what's

17:51

in the news every single day?

17:53

And you have a paper dropped off for you?

17:57

I mean, everyone, all the time and errands are gathering in

17:59

kitchen and we're just like, okay,

18:02

here's the next one. Here's

18:05

here's the next story that here's today's story

18:07

about the pedophile. You know, and it was

18:09

every literally every day for

18:14

at least a year. There

18:16

was some story about then you

18:18

can just go back and look at the Buffalo News Channel

18:20

seven. Those are the two biggest every day.

18:22

And then our then gradually, the

18:25

world's colored glasses are just shattered. Right?

18:27

So now you're just like, I'm in a crap system,

18:29

but I'm gonna be the one I'm

18:32

gonna be the one to help turn it all

18:34

around. And, you know, you're praying to

18:36

think about that more and you're just like, how but

18:38

I you know, a narcissistic fool too.

18:40

You know, I'm gonna single and really turn

18:42

this whole shit around. And, yeah, there's other good

18:44

guys there with you. But I'm sure there's

18:46

other good people like Father Joe Marino that had

18:49

those good intentions. And he tried

18:51

to go up against this in the system and

18:53

look at Apple. From

18:59

what I referred, there

19:06

is a problem. There

19:12

is a problem not just with

19:15

Yes. Let me answer your question first. Sorry.

19:17

Yes. I think it goes back there.

19:19

I think they've learned some of these bad habits

19:21

there first. But

19:23

I also think that the culture is

19:25

here. Right? So Diocese have

19:28

this culture already And

19:30

then there might be a couple guys doing

19:32

the same thing, and then the culture there gets worse.

19:34

Right? Because these are all Americans going over

19:36

to Rome to study with only Americans in

19:38

an American college with American

19:40

professors. Right? So it's not like they're

19:43

going and, you know, rubbing

19:45

elbows with, you know, a bunch of Roman

19:47

cementarians and picking up on their culture.

19:49

This is an American thing. And

19:51

if you're looking to the North American College,

19:53

you'll see a

19:55

seminarian from the archdiocese of

19:58

New York is currently filing a lawsuit

20:00

against the them them

20:03

and the archdiocese of New York

20:05

I'm sorry. The archdiocese in New York and

20:08

the Greg. With

20:10

Cardinal Bullen as one of the

20:15

other defendants. And yeah.

20:17

Father Harlan -- Yes. -- he was just

20:20

thrown out

20:22

of the director of that for

20:25

inappropriately touching veterinarians and having

20:28

allegedly sex parties with them. The

20:30

voice actor who's still there, nothing

20:32

happened to him yet, he is

20:34

still in charge. So you have the number one and

20:36

number two right now or at least

20:38

last year. The number one and number two that

20:42

are pushing this

20:44

gay lifestyle, this underground

20:47

gay lifestyle. And then

20:49

meanwhile, all straight seminarians are

20:51

told that we have to live this life of And

20:54

then we have to watch all of them and do all this

20:56

stuff. And it's just like you're the biggest Hippocrats

20:58

I've ever

20:58

seen. And and then it's just like, well,

21:01

if you don't have to follow your ball as wet as anyone,

21:03

and it just corrupts the whole thing.

21:06

This isn't about sexual preference

21:09

so much as it is about celibacy,

21:11

and the vow clergy take to it.

21:14

The Catholic church considers the law of

21:16

clerical celibacy not to be

21:18

doctrine, but discipline.

21:22

A special gift of God by which sacred

21:24

ministers can more easily remain

21:27

close to Christ with an undivided

21:29

heart and can dedicate themselves

21:32

more freely to the service

21:34

of god and their neighbor.

21:38

And

21:38

when this discipline is being corroded,

21:40

in these most prestigious seminaries?

21:44

What kind of discipline can you expect in

21:47

your local diocese? I

21:50

could look at an article, a number of the seminarians.

21:54

We brought to the seven area formation

21:56

and became a human scandal at the

21:58

time. You you it's called

21:59

thehamburger pizza

22:01

party incident. K. Yeah.

22:05

So you'll be able to see Yeah. Sorry.

22:09

It was basically priests

22:12

trying to earn subadarians, and

22:14

they were talking about all the super listed

22:17

sexual

22:17

stuff. How about

22:18

what

22:19

you want details about the seminary? Because we

22:21

vet our Yeah.

22:21

Okay. Good morning. How about Yeah.

22:25

The bishop at the end, he

22:27

was really in rough shape, and

22:29

he was, like, I heard from several

22:31

people that he was just drinking of,

22:34

like, daily to cope. Because

22:36

it it was all about him. Right? It was all about

22:38

he didn't wanna give up his opisc

22:40

he didn't wanna give up his

22:42

miter. His his point he had.

22:44

Mancha.

22:45

Yeah. You're good. Well, no. He gave

22:47

that up. And he he gave that up for a

22:49

much smaller place on the east side.

22:52

And when you Bishop Groch put four million dollars

22:54

into? And then, yes. And then the

22:56

loan after that, put another

22:58

two hundred and fifty thousand So they're

23:00

downgrade cost the Diocese. It's

23:03

five million dollars on those? The diet

23:05

is a buffalo. I know this for fact,

23:07

from pastures all around. Diocese of

23:10

was going around to each individual

23:12

perishes handing out money to put in the show

23:14

corporations to hide it from the victims.

23:29

If we wanna really

23:31

go down the rabbit hole here. That was true.

23:34

Also, you were talking about what I when we

23:36

could begin to realize in Seminary that things

23:38

aren't what you think they're gonna be. So

23:41

each Seminary is put

23:43

at a certain church in Buffalo? the

23:47

church I was put at, very

23:50

nice priest, no

23:52

complaints whatsoever. But

23:56

when I would come back early or

23:58

unexpectedly, the

24:01

scene fifty

24:03

year old man would be there,

24:07

and they were very surprised

24:09

to see me once you say. So

24:11

I began to learn from a

24:13

number of other so many reasons that this has happened to

24:15

them. This guy has been around this parish forever,

24:18

and it is that pastor's living boyfriend.

24:23

Yep. I really

24:26

knew about it. Major

24:28

Parish. He's

24:30

got a boyfriend. Okay.

24:33

So he hit critical, pretty absurd.

24:37

And then you hear somewhere

24:40

along the line, these guys shared

24:42

their idea of their vow of

24:45

chastity.

24:47

And it's a real

24:50

it's a real just

24:52

dancing justification. Their

24:55

idea of the vow their vow of chastity

24:58

is that as long as they do not procreate

25:01

and have children they're in

25:03

the clear check mark, chastity

25:06

covered. All their impurities

25:08

with men and children, That

25:12

that doesn't count. It's not yep.

25:14

Not in the box. Yeah.

25:16

Yeah. No. It it I mean, it definitely doesn't

25:18

say that anywhere. Yeah.

25:21

At all, I've checked the catechism a

25:23

few

25:23

times, and I don't remember reading that. Yeah.

25:26

I didn't know the rules don't apply to that.

25:28

Yeah.

25:32

So there

25:34

was a book written in

25:36

Boston. Wait

25:38

before the scandal came out. And

25:40

if you can find it, please buy me a copy

25:42

and I will pay you. What's the call? I

25:45

don't know the exact title. It's

25:47

something the effect of the

25:49

real crisis in the in

25:51

Boston is that there's a

25:53

satanic call turning the chancery. Many

25:56

many people believe for

25:59

good reasons that

26:03

there is a

26:05

satanic cult operating in Buffalo. They

26:09

believe that based

26:13

on some very strong

26:17

things that they've seen, heard

26:25

We've done a lot of research on this.

26:28

It's not just a Buffalo problem.

26:31

There is apparently an office at the Vatican

26:34

that investigates priests

26:38

that have gone rogue, that

26:40

have gone and

26:42

done this. Now

26:44

we know how this sounds. But

26:46

I have to say to any true believer. If

26:49

you believe in the almighty god, you

26:51

must believe in the opposing evil,

26:54

fallen angels, demons and

26:56

the devil. And this

26:58

story will come to affirm. The

27:00

devil and God are

27:02

both very real enraging

27:04

against each other inside the church.

27:09

And as pope Paul said in nineteen seventy

27:11

two, that he has the feeling that

27:14

from some fissure, the smoke

27:16

of Satan has entered into the temple

27:18

of God. Later

27:21

he was quoted saying, we believe

27:24

that something predator natural

27:27

has come into the world specifically to

27:29

disturb, to suffocate the

27:31

fruits of the ecumenical council,

27:33

and to prevent the church from breaking out

27:35

into him of joy for having recovered

27:38

in fullness the awareness of herself.

27:42

In his general audience on November

27:44

fifteenth nineteen seventy two, Pope

27:47

Paul the six addressed in more detail

27:49

the reality of the devil. He

27:52

stated that one of the greatest needs of

27:54

the church today is the defense

27:56

against the evil we call the devil.

28:02

mean, even, like, if that girl made everything

28:05

up, there's enough evidence that they're

28:07

ritually hurting children. Years.

28:11

Yeah. They're like, who this will walk.

28:13

Well, here's the other thing. Here's the other thing.

28:15

Yeah. But don't

28:17

underestimate the double worship side of it.

28:20

Because they get they're getting something

28:22

out of it. They wouldn't do it if they didn't.

28:24

The diabolical is very

28:26

real. Right? So it The

28:28

diabolical is very real.

28:31

And if you wanna question it, Frank

28:33

was quick to tell us a story about a demonic

28:35

possession in which a child was able to

28:37

speak ancient arameic. And

28:40

you don't have to look too far to get

28:42

completely scared stiff if

28:45

you start researching exorcisms in the

28:47

Catholic church. But

28:49

the conversation shifts to the evil of

28:51

play and father Joe's death.

28:54

It's the it's a standard mafia hit.

28:57

I mean, the kind of cops who made it looked

28:59

like it was a mafia thing as well. And

29:01

it could just be a thing to

29:03

throw people off the scent like a good cop and good

29:05

cop trying to cover himself. The other thing I mentioned

29:07

to her where do the other gun come from?

29:09

Dirty tops carry what they call a burner

29:12

gun, so in case they have them.

29:14

Now we've gone over the gun and

29:17

all the logistics behind it in

29:19

previous episodes. But

29:21

this mafia style hit is something that we've

29:24

heard again and again. But

29:27

coming from this same Seminary, Frank

29:30

later told us, and

29:32

we've been assured by sue

29:35

and those close to father Joe that

29:37

simply put the Italian

29:40

mob in buffalo. Wouldn't

29:42

kill an Italian priest. So

29:46

it might have looked like a mafia hit. We

29:49

don't think it had anything to do with a mafia.

29:51

But rather a professional.

29:54

And

29:54

if we do that twice, there would be nothing left. Yeah.

29:56

And it will mostly be an

29:58

interesting reenactment for the podcast of

30:00

like, sure. Wait

30:03

a minute. What if we pitched in and got

30:05

one of those ballistic heads? Oh, yeah.

30:07

With the thirty eight, got a ballistic

30:09

head, and then do the two shots

30:12

with the thirty eight to show what it would really do

30:14

to the

30:14

head. And our new friend Frank had a great

30:16

idea. That's why we did just that.

30:19

And if you wanna see our at home ballistics test,

30:22

you can check it out on seven deadly centers

30:24

in the grid. It was pretty eye

30:27

opening. And

30:29

one last thing to consider about father

30:31

Joe's mysterious death, the

30:34

date October thirteenth,

30:37

which just so happens to align with the

30:39

miracle of Fatima or the miracle

30:41

of the sun as it's known to some. We

30:44

will go into Fatima and the three

30:46

secrets of Fatima, more next

30:48

episode. But for right now,

30:50

let's see what Frank has to say about David

30:52

Lapuma's homily on October

30:55

fourteenth two thousand and twelve.

30:59

And this is all I heard this

31:01

through someone who was there. But

31:04

the day after he did

31:07

a father Joe was murdered, Father,

31:11

Dave Lipuma, was

31:13

saying a mask for

31:16

a group, a religious

31:18

group here in Buffalo. And

31:21

he kept saying over and over again how

31:23

quote, there was so much blood. There

31:25

was so much blood. But what

31:28

no one could understand after they saw the

31:30

crime scene photos was

31:32

there wasn't any blood. So

31:34

what blood did he see? And

31:38

where did it go? Yeah.

31:41

That was that was mostly about yeah.

31:43

The the devil worshiping cult

31:46

stuff that I think the place are involved

31:48

with. That's the other motive is they're all trying

31:50

to hide the

31:53

abuse of children, and I think the abuse of

31:55

children is not exclusive to

31:58

the church. I think that

32:00

it's also happening. I think some police

32:02

are doing it. I think there's

32:04

some judges,

32:07

lawyers, because

32:10

it's not just money. The motivation here

32:12

isn't just money. We've

32:15

heard enough that hopefully

32:17

when we get enough people talking, there is enough

32:19

evidence at least circumstantial

32:23

to heavily point the finger that some of

32:25

these priests have

32:27

turned. They don't believe

32:29

in God anymore or they

32:31

just they are straight up We believe

32:34

the devil is real and they're worshiping

32:36

him, and they believe it gives them

32:38

power. And

32:46

I I don't think it's a I don't think it's a coincidence.

32:48

It is a real force of evil, and I don't think it's

32:50

coincidence that pull Paul the sixth

32:52

right after Yeah. John

32:54

Paul the first was may or

32:56

may not have been murdered. Right

32:58

after that, pope Paul the sixth said the smoke

33:01

of Satan has entered the church. And

33:04

right after that, the immune scandal started.

33:07

So they there was allegedly an

33:09

internation ceremony where

33:12

they incurredinated Satan

33:15

in the church. It happened in Rome,

33:18

and it happened on the side of the Atlantic, and

33:20

it happened with the cardinal. cardinal

33:23

is Joseph Bernadine from Chicago. This

33:26

is world document that you could find us anywhere.

33:29

Allegedly, he raped a four year old

33:31

girl on the altar of a Church

33:33

with several bishops in attendance. They

33:36

made her eat the empress in

33:39

a very disgusting way. And

33:41

they made her swallow her son. These

33:49

are the men that are leaving the church right now.

33:52

These are the men that

33:54

are protecting the pedophiles.

33:58

Even if they don't even

34:00

if they pretend that they don't know or they

34:02

didn't know what was going on, some

34:04

of them they mostly do, and they

34:06

know a lot more than they're letting

34:09

on to. This

34:11

stuff is real. I

34:15

don't I I would like to get few more

34:17

people to come in and verify

34:19

what they say. But, you know,

34:21

this is touching people literally as we've

34:23

seen been murdered over this. You

34:27

know, I I think it's the

34:29

due of a lot of Catholics throughout

34:32

time to fight for their church, you know. And

34:34

I'm not gonna let my church

34:36

go down to a bunch of

34:38

these scumbags and perverts and let's just

34:40

face it, frauds. How

34:42

does someone become a satanist after

34:45

they they believe in the Catholic

34:47

faith they don't. They're a fraud. No.

34:50

Or you lose your faith so far and

34:52

so much along the way that

34:55

you fall you know, and you don't

34:57

even believe in God anymore. Or

34:59

you just don't care. You know,

35:01

I think that's fueling from between. I think most

35:04

of these guys are just frauds. I

35:06

think they'd clean it for the power and

35:08

for for whatever Prestige was

35:10

left. I mean, workers joining now is not joining

35:12

for the Prestige trust me because there's none.

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