0:04

do dear hank and jaw and personally prefer

0:07

to think of your john and hey it's ,

0:09

podcast where two brothers answer your questions

0:11

dvd be his advice and bring you all the week's news from both

0:13

mars and as the wimbledon john groundhog

0:16

day is upon us yeah and

0:19

a i i've recently

0:21

discovered the groundhogs and woodchucks

0:24

are the same thing and also

0:26

i recently discovered that woodchucks

0:28

when they're male or called he chucks

0:30

and when their female they're called sheet shocks and

0:33

when a sheet shock decides to devote her

0:35

life to religious service that's called

0:37

a nunchuk

0:40

how much you that was true ah

0:43

woodchucks and groundhogs are the same okay

0:46

but the he he chuck and the seat shots

0:48

that's made outbreak ah as far

0:50

as i know a a is there might be some

0:53

people who call them he chucks and she tucks i didn't

0:55

sell well , thought

0:57

the joke was going in a different direction i thought it was

0:59

headed for and up shocked i

1:03

have some kind

1:04

i was looking for a vomit related pine

1:06

the so i was delighted and surprised

1:09

by none shot yeah very funny yeah

1:11

i've never liked groundhog day hank i've

1:13

always thought except for the film which are sick is

1:15

wonderful i've always suggested completely be as

1:17

holiday and not just for the obvious reasons

1:20

that weathered autograph dog does

1:22

or does not see a shadow which anyway we

1:24

can't know of because we cannot

1:26

you know what the groundhog

1:28

is seeing with the ground hogs we

1:31

can't access groundhog consciousness even

1:33

putting that aside

1:35

groundhog day on february second

1:37

and then being like their will or won't be six

1:39

more weeks of winter is at

1:41

least in indiana and i suspected montana

1:44

inherently ludicrous because there will

1:46

be at least six weeks

1:48

of winter twelve

1:50

more weeks of winter yeah i'd say it

1:52

always makes it in my mind on

1:54

february second i always think to myself

1:57

oh winter might be nearing

1:59

an end

2:00

because it is groundhog day sometimes

2:02

that says but it it february

2:05

far away second worst month

2:08

when to your eyes and march

2:10

is the worst because it yards

2:13

you think it's over and it's just not

2:16

yeah marches one than than the names

2:18

of the months start to get longer but

2:20

the the weather does not really get warmer

2:23

which is the has seals to my

2:25

mind sort of month name's warmer

2:27

weather and it's like oregon march

2:29

april these names are short these are short

2:31

month names like no other montana

2:34

yeah only may

2:36

may is a short monday aim that

2:38

is all that know that it's like iraq that

2:41

is when it finally romance and so with the

2:43

ground hog should be saying by seeing

2:46

are not seeing it's shadow is

2:48

there will either be six more

2:51

weeks of really ethically

2:53

miserable winter or six

2:55

more weeks of just know winter

2:58

where's the groundhog is saying either

3:00

way

3:01

the just an apology just like here

3:03

i am everybody look at me my name

3:05

is still and i want you to know the

3:07

i feel bad for you because you are not covered

3:10

in is ridiculous least they

3:12

are awesome code that i have

3:15

did you know john for example that

3:17

of the many names for the ground hogs

3:19

include the sick would badgers

3:22

which is great just great

3:24

the will you know some other marmot names

3:26

were kind of marmot

3:29

can i just briefly first tell you

3:31

that i wrote about this in the anthropocene reviewed

3:34

but i had a long time rival

3:36

reads a d the animosity

3:39

toward a particular ground hog that lived underneath

3:41

the she had where i keep lot of my gardening

3:43

tools and

3:46

you never know

3:48

how much you love

3:50

the ones you hate until they're gone

3:53

you know yeah never know

3:56

how much that the

3:58

animosity is then you

4:01

in terms of life force until

4:03

suddenly

4:04

all your edamame he is growing with no problem

4:07

because , sufi groundhog

4:09

that was your nemesis didn't make

4:11

it through last winter because

4:14

not to to get back to the beginning last

4:16

winter lasted for ever

4:19

even though the ground hog as sensibly

4:21

did not see his shadow job

4:25

i want to tell you the names the various

4:27

names of ground hogs and

4:29

i once you to choose your favorite

4:32

guess here are our names

4:34

that normal people

4:36

not exceptional people these are just

4:38

regional names for a groundhog see i

4:40

got a chuck you got a would shock you

4:42

gonna ground pig he got a whistle take

4:44

mom whistler a sick would badger canada

4:46

marmot a mode acts or a monad

4:49

you gotta read month a land beaver

4:51

while also when us

4:54

the option of what mm is it

4:56

for a young groundhog you can call them

4:58

saplings and that's not something

5:01

i made up that's a real thing i mean

5:03

what what was your favorite i

5:05

would we missed by a very wide margin

5:09

side not to go with when asked see i've

5:11

only got wood badge or badge lot i mean

5:13

for mean we've got weenie usc and then we have

5:15

like the distance between jupiter and

5:17

mars and then we have stick with

5:19

badger i like that read monk

5:22

is one of them which is just like you got red monks

5:24

and you got nunchucks like they're just so

5:26

you know both both devoted their lives to religious

5:28

service

5:35

the boy had a kid i was around southsea

5:38

i just have to tell you something that i

5:40

have just now found out

5:42

about ground hogs day and it's good

5:44

of blow your mind or it was invited

5:46

to do with winter at all at least it

5:48

blew my mind okay

5:50

okay so do you know why

5:53

they say the

5:55

about the shadow whether

5:58

you like aussie his shadow

6:00

yeah it's because it's it's

6:02

it's whether it's a sunny day yeah

6:05

i didn't have our i knew that i thought

6:07

it was whether it out like he glanced over

6:09

his shoulder and saw his shadow

6:11

in that single moment that the mayor

6:13

of punxsutawney pennsylvania or whatever

6:16

with staring at a groundhog on groundhog

6:18

day well as if you give us a sunny

6:20

day on february second that

6:23

is a good portend for the rest

6:25

of the whatever

6:27

which isn't like it a i know

6:29

i'd lost an eye the grass but i a be my

6:31

guess is it has nothing to do with it

6:34

whether it's sunny on a particular date is not a

6:36

influence whether or not the rest of the next

6:38

six weeks will be cold

6:40

his groundhog day but regardless

6:43

does he when he goes back when he goes back

6:45

in is that mean that it's summer that

6:47

that like less where i thought that that minute was more cousin it

6:49

was sunny and he runs back into the sousa shadow

6:52

i'm going to be honest with you i'm not a groundhog day experts

6:59

just for my just for my own benefit hank how do

7:01

you spell wieners exercise or based

7:03

stuff it's

7:06

w e n u

7:08

s k when it ah

7:13

i'm quite fond of i'm also i'm also fond

7:16

of land beaver because that is what they

7:18

resemble for me and more than anything has

7:21

the i got a beaver and there's like no snow

7:23

in the water yeah the

7:25

they have some similar

7:29

habit that the emirates they're both rodents

7:31

to their bike rolex i'm also pretty

7:33

fond of the term whistle pig i don't really

7:35

know what it means but i will say that in

7:37

my opinion a groundhog

7:40

is pretty similar to

7:42

a pig not intervened fanatically

7:45

maybe but vibe was you know

7:47

media oh sure yeah i think

7:49

i'm ryan miller eyes ah their

7:52

energy and close to the ground

7:54

it's a good a lotta weighing similar

7:58

do you know i kind of the of animal

8:01

groundhog is that

8:06

it is it a socialist

8:13

you're not sure

8:16

okay i haven't done a poll

8:18

of now i've had a met this is among

8:21

other animals scroll dogs are actually squirrels

8:24

they really they really are the largest

8:27

squirrel by far are you kidding

8:29

well no i don't know through the largest squirrel

8:31

that they are worlds ah

8:34

okay or it to this is interesting hank

8:36

because i was just thinking that

8:40

you know how like some people vibe

8:42

wise are more like

8:44

squirrels and other people are more

8:46

like ground hogs like you're more the ground

8:49

hog and i'm more of a squirrel it

8:51

out they were the only nervous

8:55

ah i'm i'm always reminded that onion headline

8:57

last moments of road till squirrel

8:59

frantic karma indecisive

9:02

like i have a frantic indecisive energy

9:04

and you have that like groundhog

9:07

i've seen it all the

9:09

you know the world ain't going to impress me

9:11

kind of energy okay that's

9:15

it that's the joke i just seems like

9:17

i'm more of a squirrel and you're more of a groundhog

9:20

but we're both squirrels man deep down

9:22

were both turns out on both squirrels were

9:24

brothers sisters you're a big lottery

9:26

squirrel and i'm a tiny nervous squirrel

9:29

inside of a big body oh

9:32

yeah they're big squirrels they're so

9:34

big it says basically a gigantic

9:37

north american ground squirrel hi

9:40

it funny that none of these names

9:43

for a ground hogs come anywhere close

9:45

to capturing the name that

9:47

i used for the ground a hug episodes

9:50

acting my guards which

9:53

list not much motherfucker

9:57

i tried to i tended to college

10:01

i don't know if we can say that on

10:03

the podcast and

10:06

your negative energy finally got him i

10:09

know and then immediately i was so sad

10:12

well you'll be okay

10:14

the won't be hank that's the your

10:16

for you okay oh no i only

10:18

you won't be you know and this

10:20

is gonna blow your mind this fate

10:23

that awaited the ground hog also

10:25

awaits me

10:29

yeah jon i have a couple of

10:31

questions from our listeners that i want to answer

10:34

great okay and i'm going to get into the first

10:36

the second one by ta asking the first one was comes

10:38

from maya who asks do your hanky john is

10:40

it possible for something to have

10:42

no temperature remember you're

10:45

going to die and all that maya de

10:48

maya thank you i you i

10:50

i thought about it since seconds ago yeah

10:54

yeah to think about a of marmot

10:57

dying and john's life

10:59

is that a disturbance most his own inevitable and mortality

11:01

said nothing about a mormon dying and hanks

11:03

life is that it makes him feel nothing

11:09

i work with that the if

11:12

if all marmots lived yeah

11:14

the world would be entirely marmot

11:16

i don't like or you pierce yeah i

11:19

had i know i understand i understand

11:21

but i just think it's hilarious that bikes

11:23

ask your like on the whenever a marmot

11:26

does his job things about his own mortality and

11:28

you think whenever a marmot dies well

11:30

that's not bad

11:32

gonna observance of a thing that autres

11:34

what sir were different people almost

11:36

i'm a squirrel or amount will not sure your

11:39

marmot i'm a squirrel

11:43

maya is apostle for something to

11:45

have no temperature job where you think

11:48

i think not because isn't really temperature

11:51

just i mean i guess your daughter

11:53

and for something to have no temperature but

11:55

isn't temperature really just energy yeah

11:59

it's been

12:00

his movement of particles but also with particles

12:02

don't move at all that still a temperature

12:04

because yeah that that is like a low with

12:06

the lowest temperature see as a the

12:09

but there are things

12:12

that don't have particles like

12:14

the a shadow a

12:17

or the idea of ground hogs day

12:20

mom loves ah

12:23

the literal vacuum

12:25

of space in which a pure

12:27

vacuum in which there are no particles are all those

12:29

things don't have a temperature of

12:31

but are they saying that

12:33

i know

12:35

they are not things better made out of

12:37

stuff like something that has no temperature

12:39

for example would be the groundhog

12:41

that died in my garden

12:44

and because he doesn't not as the ottawa

12:47

that old are you still as temperature of course

12:50

but like the ground hog got their

12:52

life no longer exists it's life

12:54

force no longer has the temperature and so

12:56

i guess you could say that like but did

12:58

it ever

13:00

yeah no i'm okay oh that's a great

13:02

way of thinking about a tank the only things with

13:04

temperature the things

13:08

that the have always

13:10

had a temperature

13:12

right if you have a temporary you can't you can't go

13:14

from having a temperature did not having a temperature correct

13:18

you also can't interesting we go from

13:21

not having a temperature to having a temperature

13:23

yeah yeah

13:31

that so like center

13:33

technically my own neither you nor

13:35

me has a temperature because whatever

13:37

makes us us isn't in

13:39

this body but it also is so

13:42

it does also have a temperature so

13:45

it's ipo time i've

13:47

done i've gotten to the point where i think you can

13:49

take some the has no temperature and give it a temperature

13:52

has a use have to turn it from energy

13:54

into a particle through

13:56

a nuclear reaction of some kind

14:00

oh okay so just just energy

14:02

well that our photon or an electron

14:05

i think on their own they don't

14:07

really have heat the

14:09

way when they're moving well

14:11

no they're not there

14:13

are a vector for heat but they are not heat

14:17

the the

14:19

be hot i don't think you have to be

14:21

an ad

14:24

i don't think like a neutron on it's own

14:27

or a proton on it's own can be

14:29

hotter sure but

14:31

i'm not sure so

14:33

we don't really know the answer but

14:36

when you say to be hot you have to be an

14:38

atom are you thinking more of like an adam sandler

14:40

are you thinking more of like like

14:42

celia

14:44

everyone knows and

14:47

, i still

14:51

see a joke edits irresistible the

14:53

you even though you know it's bad at you know it's

14:55

not worth anyone's effort had visited

14:57

any way you still can't know that as

15:00

like know are homeless human story like

15:02

it's going to have place we know we should

15:04

it visit and would who would have a good

15:07

time and know have benefits that were like

15:09

stress ah still kind of want to go

15:12

so to summarize

15:14

things have temperature but only things that are

15:16

made out of things

15:18

correct and this next question it

15:20

leads into that is from sierra who

15:22

asks dear brothers green why

15:25

is space not hot if

15:27

energy from the sun travel through space and heats

15:29

the earth how is space cold would

15:31

narrow sense for the space between the sun and

15:33

the earth the also be warm it's not the so

15:35

it out where the mountain sierra the

15:38

air amazing amazing

15:41

point

15:42

john i did not know this

15:45

and i had to look it up see of the space

15:48

around earth so i can the same orbit

15:50

is arrests that that particles

15:52

in space of which are very spaced

15:54

apart arms are

15:57

what temperature sixty degrees

15:59

fahrenheit really

16:02

so like not particularly

16:04

warm but not hold my

16:07

own fifties great i'd died i

16:09

do i i lied when stress i'd love

16:11

to spend a weekend up there actually of us

16:14

miserable here in indianapolis get

16:16

me some oxygen all had right officer so

16:18

ah a spaces and hospitable for a lot

16:20

of reasons i'm the one of the things

16:23

about this is that is so those

16:25

particles are heating up but

16:27

then they are radiating their he'd away ah

16:29

be so there is the equilibrium that they have

16:31

a rat like nearby earth is fifty degrees it's

16:33

more than that closer the sonics less than

16:35

that farther from the son of but spaces

16:38

cold mostly up

16:40

for a two reasons one if you're

16:42

in the shadow of any thanks all of that

16:44

are all those particles immediately radiates

16:46

it's either way and it becomes very cold if

16:49

there's nothing heating it up so it very quickly cools

16:51

down i'm but mostly

16:53

when we talk about how cold spaces were mean like interstellar

16:56

space select the vast majority spaces very

16:58

far away from stars and that

17:00

space is very cold but our solar

17:02

system space especially in the inner solar system

17:05

isn't puzzled is this is

17:07

is that old now it's also not

17:10

and not very much stuff so

17:12

it can't eat you up or cool you down very

17:14

easily throughout your and space or

17:16

you would not feel

17:17

hot or cold because you like

17:19

your body would not be able to get rid of it's heat very

17:22

efficiently what you do feel

17:24

though is your body would heat

17:26

up very quickly because of the radiation of the

17:28

sun so actually in space

17:30

the problem is oftentimes managing heat up

17:33

because the sun hits you ah and you

17:35

do not have a way to radiate that that he'd away

17:38

ah as quickly as i got individual little particle

17:40

on it's own what's so you heat up very quickly

17:42

and in fact would experience lots of negative consequences

17:44

from the heat though

17:47

i can spend the weekend in near earth

17:49

orbit warming up now

17:51

you know there there's there's better places

17:53

easier to get to if you to get to places

17:56

where you could have a nice warm warm

17:58

time that reminds me actually

18:00

the of this question from ellie who

18:02

writes dear john or take if all humans lived

18:04

in one city how big would that

18:07

city be like could we'll sit is the france

18:10

for would we need a city that's like as

18:12

big as the united states for us to all

18:14

fit into fit know this wouldn't work practically

18:17

that's true but i still

18:19

wonder if there would be some kind of consequence

18:21

like how would it would mean for the planet

18:23

peanut butter and ellie so

18:27

cute

18:28

so make what do you think if all of humanity

18:30

lived in a city with the density

18:32

of say new york city

18:35

how big do you think it would take

18:37

to make that city and then

18:39

what about if it were like the density of say

18:41

a more suburban american city like

18:43

houston ah

18:47

well so i actually

18:49

decided to go ahead and do the math

18:52

on this one if if it's manhattan

18:54

and not new york city yeah

18:56

the density

18:57

the about seventy five thousand people per

18:59

square mile which is both a lot

19:02

not that might not that much anyway

19:05

yeah but it's a it's a lot though i'm

19:07

a fact the is it a if you count like

19:09

a whole city boundaries that's about

19:12

the densest city that we have which

19:14

we think is manila witches seventy

19:16

five thousand people per square mile i'm

19:18

and in a whole whole city so manhattan's

19:21

has ways in which like i don't think that the scale of

19:23

manhattan would work because obviously people

19:25

live outside of manhattan and and

19:28

you then to right to to do a lot

19:30

of the services they're so ah

19:32

but but if you did this

19:35

the city

19:36

if you was the density of manhattan would be about

19:39

the size of wyoming

19:41

what about half the size of france see

19:43

that as a much less dense

19:46

city then manhattan more

19:48

like the does the of new york city as a whole and and

19:50

have it sit in france which

19:52

is really huge

19:56

for a city like a city the size of wyoming being

19:58

a person was driven across wyoming

20:00

is an upsetting fought arm

20:03

but it's also less than

20:05

a half a percent of the earth's surface

20:07

yeah you know what this question made me think about the

20:09

hank is that over time far

20:11

more people are living in

20:13

cities like if you work it out the

20:16

percentage of people who live in urban areas

20:18

now versus a hundred years ago five

20:20

hundred years ago a thousand years ago

20:23

the trend is as really only gone in

20:25

one direction for a number of millennia

20:28

which does

20:30

is it possible to

20:32

imagine a world where

20:35

all humans are like you know what

20:37

we are a big problem for

20:40

the globe

20:41

and we should probably increase

20:43

our density pretty significantly

20:46

and have most humans live

20:48

in a few population centers

20:52

magneto that could happy

20:55

i mean they're gonna be cities of fifty

20:58

to one hundred million people within

21:00

a century and so

21:03

i don't know i need a riff this question

21:05

really gotta go in my mind

21:07

a little bit of i started thinking well why don't

21:09

we all were what why don't we make

21:12

indianapolis a city of seventy

21:14

five thousand people per square mile and have

21:17

two hundred million people live in indiana great

21:20

for tax revenue

21:23

ah the memories of people who are like it's

21:25

i looked it up in houston is is

21:28

twenty one times less dense than than

21:30

manhattan yellow data as

21:32

a very different numbers they're both

21:34

fujita hidden twenty one times twenty

21:36

one wyoming yeah you'd need

21:38

most of the continental united states

21:41

to sit all the people in

21:43

a houston sized city and is used

21:45

in dense city

21:47

yeah so , do you think it's possible

21:49

the percentage of people who live in urban centers will just

21:51

increase forever and eventually most

21:53

people will live in one of a few citizens

21:57

ah i think it's a bit depends on a couple

21:59

of things my guess is

22:01

that there is a there is a know

22:03

there's a reason why that trend reverses

22:05

in some circumstances selects the the

22:08

under updating the question really seriously really seriously about

22:10

probably a threatened to do because i'd the it's

22:13

very existence is the

22:15

wake the reason why people go to cities is

22:18

it because we

22:20

don't know the answer this question the out there

22:22

lot of reasons why people did it and the past

22:24

despite the fact that it was very

22:27

likely to have a negative impact on their lives yeah

22:30

we don't really

22:32

there's one of the great unanswered questions

22:34

yeah my opinion in the world it's history

22:37

is is why of people chosen to live

22:39

in cities so many times yeah

22:41

i mean it doesn't really make sense and

22:44

i say that had someone who lives in a city so to sank

22:46

in the senses you know not without

22:48

sent on a rural community yeah

22:52

so that you know the the

22:55

it is there i think there is an element

22:57

of of of status seeking to

22:59

at weird up like this is like of thing that that all

23:02

humans do is like we went

23:04

out like be a part of a story

23:06

be a part of the the thing that

23:08

is happening and happening think that there there's a piece of

23:10

it that is that mom and

23:12

so the quest to a bit and there's probably

23:14

is also an economic these two at and like a

23:16

potential of being able to help

23:18

serve your family back home and

23:23

and so the question becomes like me

23:25

will there be a better

23:28

or bigger way or i just an alternative

23:30

way to a go after those same things

23:33

in the future that do not involve ah

23:35

we're heading to replace have increased back

23:37

physical population dense and rate and

23:39

my ceiling is yes for a job

23:42

that job that there will be ways to go after

23:44

that without the

23:47

leaving the comfort

23:50

of the thing the to are already

23:52

apart as slash i'm

23:55

you know leaving behind a a quality of

23:57

life that you can't maintain as easily

23:59

in the city

24:00

sorry your your argument is that

24:02

technology may lead to

24:04

some level of the urbanization

24:08

yes well i'm though i do

24:10

i don't think that it means that i

24:12

, that it means less for maybe big

24:14

big big cities maybe not now

24:17

board is like slower growth rate means

24:19

more for smaller cities

24:21

that have a lot of the same services but don't have

24:24

ah the that provide

24:26

sort of it's more specific

24:29

the

24:30

the vibe to the that people

24:33

will be one thing

24:35

yeah i will say that the urbanization

24:38

rate over the last fifteen years

24:40

has been incredibly stable

24:43

at least according to our world and data

24:45

it yeah and the rural

24:47

population of earth is earth

24:50

is much flat like in two

24:53

thousand and one there were three point

24:55

two billion people living in rural

24:57

areas and now there

24:59

are three point four

25:02

in that time the urbanization

25:05

the urban population has gone

25:07

up by like

25:10

over a billion people though

25:12

it's been steady so far but i agree with you that

25:15

we don't really know the long term

25:17

consequences of any

25:19

of our technology reveled is a specific

25:22

ah yes it it does it it

25:24

feels difference

25:26

but doesn't everything basically

25:29

yeah yeah and every

25:31

other time people were freaking

25:34

out about technological

25:37

change they were on

25:39

some level wrong

25:41

it may i remind myself of an outside as i freak

25:43

out about it there's also zelig

25:46

things that are right

25:47

the a usually they're

25:49

they're wrong about why it's a big deal

25:52

but it often times it is actually quite

25:54

a big deal right

25:57

it's a very complicated ah the i said

26:00

the human interface with with technology

26:02

especially communications technology is very

26:05

complicated it

26:07

is a weird thing is a weird were

26:10

inside of your ears right now

26:13

i don't want to call attention to how weird that is

26:15

for a super weird like you're doing something

26:18

that we don't know about

26:20

and we are in your you put us in your ears

26:24

i don't like which reminds me actually exist

26:27

i guess which then apparently we're not answering

26:29

any questions for

26:31

, to you via it's your

26:33

ears your ears

26:37

you put us in their oh gosh

26:40

the fuck have also brought to you by

26:42

the things that don't have heat things that don't

26:44

have eats they include of or

26:47

ummah almost all of the

26:49

ideas

26:50

and of course is podcast is brought to you by

26:52

wheaton we next we

26:56

risks

26:57

we risks it's almost like that okay

26:59

okay thing from the father started their tagline

27:02

is we discs when s

27:05

a s

27:08

and finally the sky gets brought you buy a

27:10

wyoming sized manhattan sized

27:12

don't know why but it really upsets

27:14

me to think about yeah

27:17

yeah oh god

27:20

i want to try to steer sort of

27:22

slightly more serious direction just briefly

27:24

a dancer this question from anonymous erased years and

27:26

i think i've been having an ongoing disagreement with my parents

27:29

about restrictions they put on my life i really

27:31

need to talk to them about it and read some sort of

27:33

reconciliation but whenever i broached the subject

27:35

they always seem extremely hurt how

27:37

do i dressed as issue without making my parents feel

27:39

bad i really want to disagree with

27:42

them but every time i do that i just

27:44

feel awful and guilty so how do i do it gently

27:46

sorry for kind of a heavy question sincerely

27:49

anonymous is not easy but

27:52

hank yeah you

27:54

ever when we had ryan reynolds on the podcast

27:57

yeah any was like when

27:59

you're unconscious with somebody ah

28:01

you need to listen and understand their perspective

28:03

and mirror their perspective back to them

28:06

and empathize with them and validate

28:08

their perspective and then

28:11

only then once you really deeply

28:13

understand their perspective and are able

28:15

to mirror it back to them so

28:18

that you're able to express what they're saying and they're

28:20

able to hear that you're hearing what they're saying

28:22

only then do you ask

28:24

them to do you the

28:26

same favor and and listen to your perspective

28:30

yeah that

28:32

his oh like i see

28:34

code ssssss

28:38

it's hard to do to do like why

28:41

bike repair our do not

28:43

to escalate india in general

28:45

because we always kind of think

28:47

more of our pain

28:49

than other people's know not always

28:52

but it's very very easy to do and

28:55

ah and do and of that like we don't

28:57

know the anxieties

29:00

or this era the the the

29:03

you know insecurities or fears of another

29:05

person and so we

29:08

ah so we amplify hours

29:11

and and discredit theres and so that

29:13

that is the reason why this is so powerful because

29:15

it is kind of unnatural to do

29:17

to give the other people that that

29:20

space and that credit

29:23

to be like i will take i

29:25

will do this work and it is a lot of work so

29:28

it's of the you're a pretty emotionally intelligent

29:31

ah thoughtful person having

29:33

written so that that ah

29:37

that version of that question throw thought

29:39

of less sympathetic versions of that question season

29:41

of so and so so probably

29:43

this is something that you can do at

29:46

the same time there

29:48

are sometimes

29:51

it i don't and i don't know because i have a five

29:53

year old so i don't know where i come down on this but

29:55

like there are times when there are

29:57

rules and you have to live inside of

29:59

rules you don't like

30:01

yeah absolutely and that's

30:03

part of living in a family

30:06

that can be difficult especially when you're a

30:08

kid especially when you're a kid who is

30:10

now a grown up but is also still

30:12

someone's kid and

30:14

so i don't i just person didn't say how they were

30:17

so i don't i don't know any of that but

30:19

i i for me

30:22

when this stuff gets addressed well

30:25

it begins with hey

30:27

i really under i really wanna understand

30:30

why these restrictions

30:33

are in place and

30:35

what's driving them for you

30:37

because if you can understand what they're afraid

30:40

of and what their insecurities are

30:42

and what they what they want

30:44

the and you can really understand

30:47

and empathize with it and validated

30:50

you know that is into guarantee

30:53

that they're going to listen to your perspective

30:55

but it is a good first step

30:58

at least in my

31:00

experience

31:01

yeah i mean i hope so much

31:03

that my child could do that for me some deck

31:05

as right as he cannot right

31:07

, no i mean right now saw

31:10

yeah i mean even even now like my kids

31:12

are are pretty

31:14

mature and and relatively grown

31:17

up further age by

31:18

of course like i'm doing a lot

31:21

more listening that i'm doing being

31:23

listened to and that's appropriate

31:25

like that sticky notes who would be weird if

31:27

that weren't the case you know tons

31:29

and so and i that's the other thing

31:32

is he's a a it's hard to remember

31:34

this that there's some conflict

31:36

in a parent child relationship that's just

31:38

developmentally appropriate to adolescence

31:41

yeah the and

31:43

like we had great parents and

31:46

i annoyed the crap out of them and they annoy the crap

31:48

out of me when i was sixteen and that wasn't

31:50

because they weren't great parents or because

31:52

i wasn't a good kid it was because

31:55

that was developmentally appropriate yeah

31:58

he gotta yeah

32:00

stretch against the boundary yeah that's

32:03

that's you know got a that are otherwise

32:05

you don't know where they are yeah and it's exhausting for

32:07

parents to try to maintain those boundaries

32:09

and exhaust yeah for kids to feel like

32:11

they have to push up against them all the time and like this

32:14

but yeah that's hard

32:15

the any other thing that i would recommend if it's

32:17

really serious hussein to your parents

32:20

like i would like to include someone else

32:22

in this conversation like i would like

32:24

to you know talk

32:27

to a therapist or you

32:29

know have had somebody else we trust

32:32

right a meaty as far as because don't

32:35

think we're in a good place right now yeah

32:38

interesting john

32:41

i have

32:42

the rear responses the things that i want to get

32:44

to okay where are you ready for them

32:46

is that this was the no question episode and

32:48

i really enjoyed it after the notes

32:50

that episode really no question of questions

32:54

finds , are got these are all kinds

32:56

of questions of this one is

32:58

from christian who asks the rank and john

33:01

ah i come to you

33:03

in two years oh no i

33:05

don't know geez i don't know why it's

33:08

ah it's the a christian i think you are

33:10

unnecessarily worried i was pooping

33:12

and listen to the podcast and there was there seven other gyms

33:14

was this telescope and you mentioned that everyone who was

33:16

working was it is so relieved so from

33:18

that statement i infer i statement one point

33:20

the government hired a lot of smart people to create this

33:22

telescopes but where are they now what

33:25

happened to them after they were done building this telescopes

33:27

where they fired or fired out of the jobs

33:29

can you give them a job it's pumpkins and penguins

33:32

christians the great

33:34

thing about working on ads on a spot

33:36

at the one of the greatest

33:38

engineering achievements of so far

33:40

as humans is is preserved a good job

33:43

a the your next job comes along and

33:46

a it's not hard to get that

33:50

are highly skilled engineer who has built a space thousand

33:53

that is good is what i want and take

33:55

that one eyewitness one or two kind of all

33:58

map person down say that year there are unwarranted

34:00

everybody is doing okay

34:03

yeah i'd love to tears were just something else

34:06

maybe it's just a bit of release that

34:08

the telescope was in the air combined

34:10

with that it would be a big bummer

34:13

yeah

34:14

like hey congrats on the telescope

34:16

building you're fired and

34:18

offers a lot of people continue to work continue on it yeah

34:21

there are other stuff to work on yeah yeah yeah

34:23

so long mission hopefully

34:25

this one this response comes from val who asks

34:27

you're hanging john i'm so confused i was

34:29

listening your episode with ryan reynolds and you imply the paper

34:31

roots are a thing of the past i'm on my room

34:33

right now i'm with my german

34:36

a mother during the german

34:38

winter didn't actually say my german mother ah

34:44

my mother the mail lady and i help her do it

34:47

to people in america about have male people anymore

34:49

studies your letters and your newspapers

34:52

are so valve in america

34:55

we we still do have

34:58

people who deliver mail for

35:00

sure and as the newspapers but

35:02

the newspaper

35:03

there's delivered by a separate person

35:06

who wouldn't for the newspaper not the mail

35:08

people right and i never thought about

35:10

how weird this was until this

35:12

moment me neither it

35:15

is weird

35:16

why would we do that way to give it to the mail

35:18

people to do it i'm sure there's

35:20

a reason but i don't know what it is

35:23

maybe it's so that we can get the newspaper

35:25

faster as you know that i'm

35:27

like are they are a day

35:29

yeah gets printed at three o'clock in the morning

35:31

and it's on your doorstep by five o'clock in the

35:33

morning and so you're a unit that like them

35:35

for is the system of two different news right

35:38

now right now yeah

35:40

you base your business decisions on this

35:42

union know what's going on right this instant

35:44

business america but our

35:47

like many are not good enough with not

35:49

near not this incident my six hours

35:51

ago yards which we used

35:53

to be like right up to the moment an hour

35:55

like no no no no no no i need to know what's

35:58

going on before their and

36:00

nobody has any idea what's going on i

36:03

need to know if there's gonna be gonna war three

36:06

weeks before the war starts

36:08

or i want to be really worried

36:11

about something that might not happen

36:13

and i yanked him yeah

36:16

i want to recreate the experience

36:18

that john had for three months

36:21

before coven started where

36:24

gone are the constantly

36:27

ceaseless we worried that there might

36:29

be a global disease pandemic and yet at

36:31

the same time did absolutely

36:34

nothing the premier for

36:36

the possibility that a global disease

36:38

epidemics that's devices

36:40

that idea when for in my news

36:44

the a little squirrel

36:48

i'm such a big one just do

36:50

and squirrels stuff like

36:53

a massive north american ground

36:55

squirrels ground squirrels no way

36:57

my acorns and worrying over

36:59

them but not doing anything to protect

37:01

them just a tiny little squirrel

37:04

frantically running about thinking

37:06

oh my god i'm gonna die the

37:08

are you also run

37:10

i agree with that like this like swirls and

37:12

i can world and he never seats

37:14

you is sometimes i would see the ground

37:17

hog lately jogging you know

37:19

sir like the i would i would enjoy

37:21

a dick beset with virus hoard it

37:23

like waving a rumor

37:25

whatever and screaming and it would sort

37:27

of look up from the get a mommy and be like

37:30

oh

37:30

hello again and then it would sort

37:33

of be like ask god i guess just like

37:35

honor this person's anger this

37:37

will lately jog back

37:39

to the shed

37:40

yeah you know what so a so squirrel

37:43

is calling your soybeans at a mommy

37:46

i'm not i'm not have no

37:49

i mean but they are in are mommy peg v

37:51

says once the over there at a mommy

37:54

you cook them and sprinkle smell

37:56

and i know about how old are now in erin

37:58

how hard you know when you said

38:00

seven dollars growing a single

38:02

part of soybeans that's

38:04

the definition of that amount

38:06

but that's no it's a sit soybeans

38:08

until it's prepared a men are announced

38:11

it's how much did it costs to makes

38:13

a single part of soy bean said

38:15

if it's over a dollar i said

38:17

amanda sat at a deficit

38:21

ah okay i have one more job

38:24

it's also other gyms have faced have a great

38:26

, who asks i was

38:28

listening to this week's episode of the pot and

38:31

during the mars is hank mention that this

38:33

telescope has eighteen mears all of which

38:35

focused themselves what

38:38

we ought to be wrong here but i was under the impression that mirrors

38:40

were inanimate objects inanimate least the

38:42

ones that i am looking at ah

38:44

my eyes are the things that do the focusing

38:47

that the mirrors not a hepburn audrey

38:50

ah ps sorry audrey

38:52

of soon but and is sucking right now i'm

38:55

paired us

38:56

infer in fact the mirrors

38:58

do the focusing on the gyms of

39:00

space telescope and each of them does it in their

39:02

own ways ah

39:05

in in two different ways so once

39:07

they can move themselves like of downside

39:10

sides of the biggest pivot the little bit

39:12

sooner they can also actually change

39:14

their can cavity so they can thus the

39:16

like very slightly the just

39:18

a little bit even was very large

39:21

strong

39:23

mirrors they can ah that

39:25

could change that their shape a little bit to do the focusing

39:28

basically like eyeglasses that would

39:30

work for more than one person the

39:32

wouldn't be then that analogy

39:35

there and ah

39:37

it's see if and so they don't focus

39:39

themselves though like the scientists

39:43

you know sort of know where

39:46

they could target right now me now they're

39:48

doing about of tests to figure out exactly the right

39:50

shape for all of the mirrors to be and and

39:53

die and then they they focus stumps

39:55

and each one focuses has

39:57

it's own bike set of motor

40:00

that control it's exact no i meant and

40:02

it's exact focus and a

40:04

date they are tremendously

40:07

precise little motors and

40:10

that , has been accomplished

40:13

at least the like initial

40:16

part of getting them all aligned correctly

40:19

and now they're going through and making sure didn't

40:21

get a really good image for

40:23

us which would be coming the

40:25

coming months wow

40:29

that well that's

40:32

really cool would you like to hear

40:34

the news from amc what will make ah

40:39

yeah

40:41

you know ryan reynolds do eyes

40:43

you know ryan reynolds hank ryan rent our friends

40:46

or frog i guess i think it's fair to i'll

40:48

ride went over to him up already in the or

40:50

acquaintance ryan reynolds assaults yeah

40:52

he's our allies totes ryan reynolds my former

40:55

friend ryan reynolds ryan

41:00

reynolds just bought

41:02

they are you able to the best striker always

41:05

palmer dig

41:08

know i've

41:11

i'm not i'm

41:15

not joking at all

41:17

my god this is that is

41:19

rule so how do

41:21

you have to do it ryan reynolds rich survivor

41:28

as through the next five years of my

41:30

life is all going to be motivated purely

41:32

by catch up ,

41:34

our hopes as eventually housing enough cash not

41:36

even tennis is all in all my mom ups

41:39

every every work piece of work you

41:41

do you think of a judas of all the palm of

41:44

of life will this is the or one three

41:46

hundred and forty second of an ollie palmer so

41:48

do ya doing a yeah like there's a

41:50

there's contract to

41:52

currently on on my desk not to

41:55

ah but it's not a ryan reynolds

41:57

movie contract of days as is

42:00

there's barely worth what all the polymer ah

42:02

yes golly gee i

42:05

yeah so all the palmer is apparently headed

42:07

for wrexham we're

42:09

getting a lot of money for him which is great

42:11

but ah like he just

42:13

scored a goal for us yesterday

42:16

and

42:17

i'm a little bit of of in

42:19

i needed that goal now is it important goal

42:21

we needed that goal because as it turns out

42:24

as as usually happens when a of the wimbledon

42:26

go what one nil up of we

42:28

were about to concede so

42:30

we're at a time and effort and one one before

42:33

that two consecutive

42:35

nil nil draws before that a

42:37

one nil loss against the franchise

42:39

currently playing a trade milton keynes which

42:41

means that we went a total of about nine

42:44

hours between our goals

42:46

which to me said i visit are not

42:49

among us soccer guy but to me

42:51

makes it seem like maybe we shouldn't sell or

42:53

striker though

42:56

, did you buy another one i well

42:58

i don't move i hope so ah

43:01

is currently as you know hank it

43:03

is hank it important for the success

43:05

of any football team the have

43:08

in in the the the attacking

43:10

group one big bottom small

43:13

which is a smaller person with

43:15

a bigger bottom and one

43:18

small bottom big which is a bigger

43:20

person with smaller bottom the

43:23

palmer

43:24

was an excellent small

43:26

bottom big and i i

43:28

don't know we're we're

43:30

gonna find a another one like

43:34

the next one

43:38

the you are very small bottle

43:41

you're allowed within that part of that br

43:45

yeah , mean i just have the i feel

43:47

a huge and i think john as your side writer

43:50

would be very very

43:52

bad i say that with with all due respect

43:54

your too much of a groundhog way

43:57

to measure progress yeah no i

43:59

i no

44:00

hey i think i would bring it everyone

44:02

down with me

44:06

hi the have a tendency

44:08

went on a soccer field to hurt myself

44:10

and others that's my

44:12

experience in the last ten years at least some

44:15

, what i think happened john i think ryan reynolds

44:17

came on our podcast and he was like those

44:19

people were so lovely what can i do for

44:21

the ha name was like i can weigh

44:24

over pay for ali palmer and

44:26

now as humans gonna have so much

44:28

money that they're going to

44:30

be able to get a big bought a big

44:33

or whatever is the best thing maybe

44:38

maybe

44:40

i guess anyway best wishes the always

44:42

palmer who's gonna apparently

44:45

get a big raised to go play

44:47

in the ceasefire of english football and set

44:49

of the third tier ah i do

44:51

wish him the bad real ryan reynolds move he's

44:53

not it is not a young man the so

44:55

you to not begrudge anybody

44:57

rain in professional football get in professional big

45:00

payday in hope that it all

45:02

works out well for him

45:04

i mean he's certainly the kind of player

45:06

that will just dominate

45:09

the national leagues so i

45:12

wish him all the best but i'm so i

45:16

we're gonna score goals hopefully

45:18

to save us all i mean i have a be

45:20

a huge resolve is about says just to

45:22

have a breakout just

45:25

jot does dump it on to a uber yeah

45:27

get it to up and whole deal do the rest

45:30

here's a special player i'm not sure that he's a

45:32

thirty goals special player but

45:35

anyways anyway i guess

45:37

we can still be friends ryan reynolds

45:42

you tweeted about this one minute ago i

45:44

did was talking to

45:48

but your job murdering away and

45:50

, yeah and mars

45:52

news ryan reynolds know ah

45:59

stabbed

46:00

they can buy soda perseverance

46:02

rules of ,

46:05

so ah it is it

46:07

is rover news so first of all percy

46:09

has gotten the pebbles out for ray yes

46:12

my do that as that show that would normally be normally

46:14

full mars news but there is other mars

46:16

news for example carbon

46:19

is carbon really great element

46:21

it does a fantastic job of bonding the stuff but

46:25

carbon comes in multiple flavors he

46:27

got in different isotopes got carbon

46:29

twelve which has six protons

46:31

and which neutrons he got carbon thirteen

46:33

that has six protons and seven neutrons

46:35

other flavors but like we

46:38

know that carbon exists in

46:40

a really

46:41

static thought quantity

46:43

of of isotope as of isotopic

46:46

ratios so like the ratio of carbon

46:48

to of the carbon thirteen is a really steady thing

46:50

except when it comes to living

46:53

things ah been so in

46:55

our bodies we have way more carbon

46:57

twelve than is in the natural environment so

46:59

i'm not more like a greater

47:01

ratio of carbon twelve speak of that extra

47:04

neutron actually gets in the way of

47:07

one thing with all of the

47:09

ramsey carbon chemistry that we do

47:11

some of the chemistry a little bit slower and

47:14

so we use it last ah it's just

47:16

like is not like a decision that life

47:18

ah makes as much as it is just like

47:21

a thing that happens because when you're doing a bunch

47:23

of like complicated carbon chemistry

47:25

there's less uptake of carbon thirteen it's

47:27

and so a living body has a higher

47:30

proportion of carbon told the carbon thirteen recently

47:33

, and that goes for a body it also goes for

47:35

a bacteria recently the persevere

47:37

earth curiosity rover did an analysis of

47:40

as topic ratios of some

47:42

dirt on mars and found a

47:44

really like surprisingly high concentration

47:47

of carbon twelve the carbon thirteen different

47:49

from other areas of mars it as measured

47:52

and his life what was up

47:54

with this and the if

47:56

we found that on earth wow be like oh yeah

47:58

that is that rocked has

48:00

what's your life in it gives his whoa like

48:02

old ways that's fossilized in there while

48:04

lemme lemme lemme cut you off real quick yank

48:07

yeah this is actually bigger news

48:09

did ryan reynolds buying our strikers i'm

48:12

is a big newsweek that's for sure of

48:15

the success citizens spaces

48:17

the first time i've been like whoa that the

48:19

difference from mars is wave or avoid

48:22

them to do surveys the well this week smarties

48:24

is that record our first go and nine hours

48:26

your your news is that like was that lotta

48:29

carbon twelve sir garbage thirteen for

48:31

us a cold dead rock

48:34

yeah so i'm the

48:36

there are other

48:38

the theories about why this could happen

48:40

and ah we're going to end and

48:43

weird and unfortunately they are awesome right

48:45

consistent with the experimental results

48:47

so as you can you can imagine other

48:49

ways for this carbon

48:51

twelve isotopic ratio

48:53

to happen but

48:55

it's very intriguing clue

48:58

and would is definitely the creates

49:00

opportunity and interest for further scrutiny

49:03

ah and more study of of this particular

49:05

area mars so that's

49:08

neat and i feel like flew

49:11

under the radar maybe because like isotopic

49:13

ratios are it's ah

49:15

a good like just like one step too complicated

49:17

but out like is not that complicated and

49:19

the yeah the implications

49:23

are there and the people

49:25

are very very interested in

49:27

that is really

49:29

interesting hank a makes me feel like

49:31

we should be in a hurry to get

49:34

to mars like we we

49:37

need to find out if there's a different way that life

49:39

conform because if it is if there is

49:41

that would be the the biggest discovery

49:47

ever so far i

49:49

mean you know it's know

49:51

it's that's interesting

49:54

the both big and small it it big

49:56

in that it has massive implications

49:59

for

50:00

our story of the universe that it's small and that

50:02

it like doesn't really have masses implications

50:04

for

50:05

you know tuesday i'm angry

50:07

that's the , as such an such

50:10

an interesting thing where where like our

50:12

deepening knowledge of the universe universe

50:15

exists alongside it's really

50:17

important problems that we after face

50:20

here on earth ah

50:22

making sure that everybody has that they need

50:25

had that we have had future that is

50:27

more stable rather than less stable

50:29

for be boss and etc

50:32

yeah i not only that i mean but on

50:35

tuesday as you wimbledon play ipswich

50:37

town also that is important

50:39

you know it will be unaffected by the

50:41

existence of life on mars where

50:49

but i learned i read on a lot

50:51

of sacred decision to yeah

50:54

all of his wealth in to mars

50:56

exploration efforts and cancels

50:59

the deal for always palmer yeah

51:02

the out of say and

51:05

ah what a big news and mars and a

51:07

of see wimbledon week has been successfully

51:10

keep it was of all of this year soccer

51:12

teams

51:13

weird who , financially

51:16

feels that attention of they are the only

51:18

rich fifty or soccer to okay

51:22

the only one that is owned by a

51:25

some a hollywood fancy pants who's

51:27

very good at conflict resolution john

51:30

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