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and welcome to Dear Hank and John. Or

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We're two brothers who answer your questions. We're John

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right. And today we're doing a

1:48

college spectacular, a college freaktacular, a

1:51

college wonderment to talk about

1:53

post-secondary education in the United States. Hank, why are

1:55

you a ball of anxiety? I know why I

1:57

am. Oh, because I'm

1:59

watching this super... the board happening right now it's

2:01

it's still happening they would. This has been such

2:04

a long. Game set of feel

2:06

that way to you when you watch the Superbowl. Didn't

2:08

feel like it lasted forever. Is a

2:10

gap. I think it's my because the

2:12

players gonna play play play play play.

2:14

oh it was a Taylor Swift Yoko

2:17

Long I'm. Sorry.

2:20

That. Was such a bad joke I don't even

2:23

know which I don't even know what to do

2:25

that is like it wasn't Just the fact about

2:27

the joke was fine I just weds did in

2:29

so on Arts Elites I am. I'm a bar

2:31

that I was proud of. Ross was happening this

2:33

week. Lives Wednesday soda the till defies open. This

2:35

is gonna come out after. The products are awesome

2:37

though there may be like four hours left where

2:40

he can still get perks if you forgot shirt

2:42

of. Ah and m that's

2:44

at this is the first and that

2:46

we're doing it lake resort a separate

2:48

now of complexity trying to to simplify

2:51

things and not make some of that

2:53

mr suspicion, the fast ya et cetera.

2:55

So I'm anxious for to birch of

2:57

a reasons some yeah I don't think

2:59

I can say more than that to

3:02

Turbo fuels. Get you know

3:04

that the word to Berkeley were is based

3:06

on the word tube or because tubercles. The.

3:09

Term. Calcify in.

3:12

Blogs that say around the State

3:14

of Mercy whoa suspect Syria look

3:17

like potatoes And of the word

3:19

to Birchall actually predates Tuberculosis. And

3:22

that to to bercow is

3:24

is basically. Potato shaped.

3:28

Yeah. We memoir things after food they.

3:30

It turns out food was one of the

3:32

more important things to have names for sure.

3:34

Yeah. Almost all of the almost all

3:36

of the colors are named for for

3:39

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3:42

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John I'm excited answer college questions.

5:27

I. Have to tell you I'm barely

5:29

able to function. My anxiety level is

5:31

so five sell some so sorry. So

5:33

tuberculosis is important John and I'm glad

5:36

that you're focusing on us. Poof.

5:39

I'm also as it happens, my microphone

5:41

is directly on my like. sixteen pages

5:43

of notes have taken in the last

5:45

like eighteen hours of conference calls. Oh,

5:47

and I'll just silly I just read

5:49

you a couple of those notes. I'm.

5:53

Since. Need flexibility?

5:56

And. Gets it? rejection?

5:58

Motive. what Donut

6:00

yeah, if you ever look at like I keep

6:02

my old notes from all of the things I

6:05

take notes for and they're just Completely

6:07

impenetrable. It's like they were written

6:09

by another human. Yeah see

6:12

money in there What does that mean what

6:14

money in what bank? Where do I you got money in the

6:16

bank? See money

6:19

in bank That's

6:21

the goal is when it's in it's

6:23

in tuberculosis is bank or that not

6:25

tuberculosis Yeah, I actually I actually want

6:27

to see less money in the bank

6:30

and more money in the field dealing

6:32

with tuberculosis I think there's entirely too

6:34

much money in the bank right now

6:37

Yeah, yeah money even in bank could

6:39

be money in

6:42

in things Intuing things

6:44

yeah in tests and in treatment and in

6:46

preventative therapy this first question comes in sailor

6:48

who writes dear John and Hank How should

6:50

I choose what colleges to apply to I

6:52

always hear you should base your choices off

6:55

of aspects like Geographic position or

6:57

school size But would it be crazy to

6:59

base a big decision like this off of

7:01

how cool the mascot is or how good

7:03

their colors are? This is

7:05

such a good question because I don't know

7:07

about you Hank But I genuinely think that

7:09

you're about as well off choosing by color

7:11

and mascot as you are

7:14

Choosing by like what the guide

7:17

to colleges said like in my day. There's a book.

7:19

It was like a 900 page book Uh-huh,

7:22

and it had one page for

7:24

like every American college and

7:26

you'd read the page and you'd be like that one

7:28

sounds good Yeah, I

7:31

literally went to college at Kenyan

7:33

College in Gambier, Ohio because I read the page

7:35

in that book and I was like, yeah, I

7:38

mean, okay That's kind

7:40

of the vibe. I'm going for English

7:42

major quiet small. I'm in I Yeah,

7:46

I picked my has a 70% acceptance rate Yeah,

7:50

probably gonna get in. Yeah, I

7:52

applied to two schools, which I know is

7:54

very anachronistic Yeah, it's very

7:57

strange. I applied to two schools. They

7:59

both had high acceptance acceptance rates, I got

8:01

into both of them and I picked

8:03

the one that was closer to home. There

8:05

you go. Yeah. And

8:08

like, I don't know, it's

8:10

such a weird decision because it is

8:12

a high impact, low information

8:15

decision. You do not know

8:18

what your life is going to turn out like at

8:21

one school versus another. Like, even if

8:23

you go to a significantly worse school, your life could

8:26

turn out better. Like there's no way to know. It's

8:28

a mess. I know, it's a mess. I

8:30

think my life would probably be worse

8:32

if I'd gone to Harvard. Now that's

8:35

completely conjectural because in no way, shape

8:37

or form could I have ever gotten

8:39

into Harvard. Like even

8:41

if the last seven generations

8:43

of my family had gone to Harvard and

8:46

my parents gave $50 million to Harvard, the

8:48

president of Harvard would have called my parents

8:50

and been like, I'm so sorry.

8:53

They'll let anybody in for 50 mil. That's

8:56

how Harvard works. It's

8:59

a good system we've got. Yeah,

9:02

I agree with John

9:04

that you are not

9:06

going to have, like you're just not

9:08

going to know what your life's going to end

9:10

up like, but it does have a huge impact,

9:12

but there's no way to see into that future.

9:15

So I think a very good thing to look

9:18

at is at a cost. And

9:24

then comparing that cost to it,

9:26

and honestly, I think the

9:28

social vibe is very

9:31

important. Yeah, if you could afford to

9:33

go for a visit for a day

9:36

when you're picking a school, that helps. If

9:39

you're a non-traditional learner who isn't

9:41

going to be like learning, like living full time

9:43

on a campus, I don't know why we call

9:45

these people non-traditional learners when now they comprise the

9:47

majority of learners. Right, because

9:50

traditionally they did not. Right.

9:53

So If you're someone who's not going to

9:55

be living on a campus full time, then

9:57

maybe the vibe matters a little less. Divide

10:00

still matters some, so I think it's like

10:02

worth visiting the campus, going to a couple

10:04

classes if you're able to, and just being

10:06

like what's divine. Yeah. Dividers

10:09

really big deal. I. Think that is

10:11

important and and. You. Know. Based.

10:14

On our to school experiences like Eckerd

10:16

does have a very different vibe from

10:18

Kenyan. Like. One is on

10:20

the beach. And the other is

10:22

in a cornfield. and that changes divide.

10:25

Yeah, the I went to back to occurred

10:28

recently and the five was very different than

10:30

it used to be. It's a massive party

10:32

school now Yeah. Yeah. I mean

10:34

it like there were like party there. Was

10:36

like a party dorm. But. Now

10:39

it's like. People. Like the

10:41

people are very it seemed very cool to

10:43

me and aware that we did not let

10:45

me uncool people were just inside like we

10:47

always where I can confirm that you were

10:49

not cool and costs have was goals and

10:51

know I mean you are a lot of

10:54

things he works he loves way and funny

10:56

and sweet and had great friends with new

10:58

putting it into a cool. Yeah

11:02

it's have never have never going to be

11:04

cool I'm I did. You can I think

11:07

you're gonna call now you're sort of pattern

11:09

yeah I target I turned out cool yeah

11:11

I think of I nice sick about work

11:13

while he had tsar right cool kids. one

11:15

of the big on tic toc will would

11:18

end up Uncle Hank is Christian it on

11:20

tic toc. I think another consideration that when

11:22

I look back at my own college choice

11:24

I made the choice for a lot of

11:26

stupid reasons but I had a couple of

11:29

good reasons. Wine Why is. The. Size

11:31

of classes. I'm.

11:34

For. Me for what I was studying. She'd.

11:36

Made a while lot of sense for me

11:38

to have a relatively small class size. And.

11:42

as she's also kind of the way I learned best. And.

11:44

So it's you know something about the way you

11:47

are investor. You know something about what you want

11:49

to study. You can use that as a glimpse.

11:51

But like I, I do think that we put

11:53

a little bit too much weight on the decision,

11:55

because like you said, hank, it's a high impact

11:57

decision. but also you'll probably be fine. Either way,

12:00

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12:05

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12:07

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12:09

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12:11

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12:13

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12:16

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12:18

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12:20

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12:24

that sounds like an emergency emerged

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that make a very specific and

12:28

weird emergency. Yes. Yeah. Now

12:30

I really need it. Quick.

12:33

Suddenly. You. Knock was like

12:35

out a job and they were like say

12:37

will make you Ceo the company but you

12:39

need a degree in religious what is. It.

12:43

Yes know, like this like I'm Blake.

12:46

Someone came down. From. The

12:48

ether and was going. I'm a g me

12:50

and I will grant wishes but only you

12:52

go to college for rates and I maybe

12:54

that's what it was. Seriously I like a

12:57

dead relatives like you can't inherit unless you

12:59

do garments my like that. I like that

13:01

a lot of like a Boosters million situation

13:03

except instead of having to spend millions of

13:05

dollars you just have to spend millions of

13:07

dollars of thousands of dollars. But

13:11

again, that's why they're study hall.

13:13

Go Study hall.com Hope for yeah,

13:15

hopefully so else. And Sisters Study

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13:25

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for but not asking for but applying for

13:29

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13:32

stuff. That's the first thing I'd recommend but

13:34

obviously I'm a little biased. he knocked assists

13:36

still no bunch of my think that the

13:38

a whole thing that one of that we

13:40

looked at and were like one of the

13:43

barriers and one of the bears his lack

13:45

of information. so exactly you max problem of

13:47

like i don't know how many this work

13:49

with what does the credit. Like. that

13:51

like he has saw star wars run

13:53

as again it's so hard to navigate

13:56

it's silk using like i remember like

13:58

i had the easiest less risk bureaucratic

14:00

college experience imaginable. And yet still, like my

14:02

junior year, my faculty advisor came to me

14:04

and was like, you haven't taken enough English

14:06

classes to get an English degree. Yeah, no.

14:09

Yeah. I had the same thing happen with

14:11

my minor. I was just like, no, this

14:13

class doesn't count for that. And I

14:15

was like, why not? It's in the art department. And

14:17

we're like, well, it's a visual art minor. And that

14:19

was not a visual art class. And I was like,

14:21

no one... It's easy

14:23

to make expensive mistakes, which is one of

14:25

the big problems with

14:28

school. Right. So I think

14:30

the first thing I'd say is once

14:33

you've kind of gotten the lay of the

14:35

land, whether that's through study hall or other

14:37

stuff, I would go

14:40

to the college you intend to attend.

14:42

And I

14:44

would start asking questions. I

14:46

mean, in general, that like

14:49

I would talk, I would

14:51

speak out loud as much as possible,

14:53

whether that's questions or whatever. Like I

14:55

think that a lot of the experience

14:57

of college of higher

14:59

ed, when it's in person at a

15:01

school, is about the social

15:03

environment and about connections between people.

15:06

And

15:10

those friendships are really valuable if you

15:12

get a chance to develop them. And

15:15

I would also say that like, here's

15:18

my biggest piece of advice to people going into

15:20

college. You're a grown up now. It's

15:23

like you are making a bunch

15:25

of choices and you

15:27

are now learning how to make choices on

15:30

your own. So this isn't like delaying adulthood.

15:32

It's a thing you're doing as an adult.

15:35

And I'm sorry if that sounds a

15:37

little bit paternalistic. It

15:40

sounds that way now that it's coming out of my mouth. But

15:43

yeah, it's like... Well, but I don't

15:45

think it sounds paternalistic in this sense, right? Everybody

15:48

talks about the real world, the real world, the

15:50

real world, the real world is something that's coming.

15:52

It's something that lies on the other side of

15:54

high school or college or whatever. But the truth

15:56

is The real world is not

15:58

an event, it's a process. And.

16:01

You emerge from childhood and adolescence.

16:03

And you emerge from adolescence into

16:05

adulthood. And that's a process that

16:07

takes a long time. Point:

16:09

In a lot of ways, you're doing

16:11

aspects of adulthood When you're like sixteen.

16:14

My son is fourteen. He's already doing

16:16

aspects of adulthood right. Like waking, getting

16:18

your driver's license is it for many

16:20

people? Certainly not everyone. But for many

16:23

people. as an aspect of adulthood, you

16:25

know. Warning: how to do your own

16:27

laundry For many people as an aspect

16:30

of adulthood. Yeah. I

16:32

haven't been. I like cooking and cleaning. I had

16:34

an hour rule that with as with had like

16:36

a way to cook in it's yeah did not

16:38

have that for the first two years of college

16:40

the for the second two years of college idea

16:43

that we haven't like an oven and a stove.

16:45

ah and I was five guys with was a

16:47

stove and making that works ah and and you

16:49

know like. Figure. Out What the?

16:52

how bacon grease works? Yeah, not.

16:54

Here's some college advice. Real world

16:56

college advice Here it's you cannot

16:58

for baking grease into a plastic

17:01

container. Obviously I

17:03

like the called it baking grease. Bacon

17:05

grease. He called the baking grease. We

17:07

can rule out that he was you

17:10

didn't. You

17:12

cannot for baking grease into a

17:14

plastic container. Bacon

17:17

grease, you know? begun? Everybody's got

17:19

that net and like fifteen seconds back

17:21

button on there are and they're doing

17:23

right now so it's easy. And bacon

17:25

grease he did. But

17:28

yeah and way you can put it

17:30

about your to containers as a great

17:32

that's created by sake of married is

17:34

very dense or how many people from

17:36

every whatever whatever the office not interesting

17:38

micro plastics is like weather for the

17:40

more extreme version of ingesting myself when

17:42

I was physically pouring bacon grease on

17:44

your floors. with that in a suburb

17:46

of the air And and also ah

17:48

if you have a grease fire do

17:50

not put water on it has they're

17:52

to make it explode Another as as

17:54

an important stuff silicon A doesn't as

17:56

of adulthood that I. Had to words

17:58

is that it. feels like, if

18:01

you're me, it feels like if a

18:03

bill is important, they're going to call

18:05

about it. Yeah. That's

18:09

actually a really bad way to

18:11

conduct your personal finances because there's

18:13

this thing called a credit score.

18:15

And if they have to call about it, they

18:17

get mad at you on this thing called the

18:19

credit score. They're pretty far down the

18:21

list of things that they've tried to do by the

18:23

time they're calling. Well, but I always

18:26

appreciated the call. I'd be like, oh, hey,

18:29

thanks for calling. I'm so sorry that I

18:31

haven't paid the rent. I

18:34

will pay it now. But I

18:36

also appreciate having this extra 60 days that I... It's

18:41

helpful. It

18:43

really helped me put it all together. Yeah.

18:46

Oh, God. I think that adulthood

18:50

is hard and you are doing

18:52

adulthood in college. And I think that's the main thing.

18:54

Childhood does not stay as hard as

18:56

it starts out, like any job, like

18:58

anything, right? It's incredibly hard

19:01

at first, but in many ways it

19:03

does get easier. Now, I wouldn't say it's

19:05

a straight line from hard to easy. It's

19:10

definitely swirly, but you're

19:12

going to just take steps. And I

19:15

agree with Hank that in college, you

19:17

are in many ways doing adulthood. You

19:19

are doing at least aspects of the

19:21

so-called real world. And

19:24

that's good news. It's scary, it's intimidating,

19:26

but it's good news because it's part

19:28

of your growing up and growing into

19:31

the person you're going to be. Yeah.

19:34

And I mean, schools are aware that

19:36

this is sometimes not

19:40

like a... It's a new

19:42

experience. And so they do try

19:44

to give you ways to be

19:47

more clear about what you can do with your time

19:49

or what you can do with your

19:52

hours that you have purchased of

19:55

school stuff. And

19:57

So they will direct you, but I think that it's best

19:59

if you... You don't reflect, like

20:01

it or be, are aware of that direction

20:03

and aware of the things you can do

20:05

better. making decisions for yourself for what, what

20:07

you, what your goals are, what you're excited

20:09

about, what you're chasing, what you're trying to

20:11

develop, what year are like, the things that

20:13

are sort of making your brain feel a

20:15

little bit sparkly. I think that every time

20:17

anything, even if it's uncomfortable, that might. Ah

20:21

like makes my. Brain.

20:23

Is a little bit I'm Mike I'm just into

20:25

go in that direction because if if I like

20:27

let the develop my anxiety get in a way

20:29

of. Stating.

20:32

That thing that's exciting to me. And.

20:35

I'll never know how actually feel about that

20:38

thing. I was just thing know today because

20:40

I always am. I. Literally thought I

20:42

was going to throw up because I was

20:44

so overwhelmed by anxiety but at the same

20:46

time I was thinking but you know why

20:48

Like I'm also excited. I like the idea.

20:51

I wanna do this. I'm very grateful to

20:53

have the opportunity to do it. This is

20:55

right. This is good. And yet

20:57

also I am very anxious. I just

20:59

when I can't let my anxiety shut

21:01

me down. Now sometimes I have to

21:04

listen to it that in this case,

21:06

like a candidate, shut me down because

21:08

this is like a brain says he.

21:10

wonderful. Fascinating. Ah saying. You know. Yeah.

21:13

So yeah I got another question from city

21:16

and who asks? Dear. Hank. I'm

21:18

John at a Calculus in high school and

21:20

I'm taking it again now that I'm in

21:22

college. However, I took to Gap years between

21:24

then and now and I've found that I

21:26

had not only have forgotten everything I've done

21:28

high school calculus, I also forgot most a

21:30

freaked out the hasn't gotten older. I've noticed

21:32

I forget other things I used to. No,

21:34

I'm not going to forget everything I've ever

21:36

learned in school. I'm playing a bunch of

21:38

tuition for a degree. Am I gonna forget

21:41

all the stuff that I learned? It's that's

21:43

the point is. what's the point of school

21:45

then? Thank you Vivian! Sir Vivian,

21:47

Get this. Not only are you gonna

21:49

forget everything you've ever were and you're

21:51

going to cease to exist. Ah, it

21:56

will have all been for nothing man does

21:58

it is it it it does Sun is

22:00

going to boil the oceans, my friend. And

22:04

all worldly knowledge and evidence of everything

22:06

that we thought and said and did

22:08

and learned will disappear with it. And

22:11

that doesn't mean that we shouldn't

22:13

learn. All right. I have

22:16

sorry, did I go? Did I go too far down

22:18

the rabbit hole? I'm just saying that like we should

22:20

still learn like there's still value in learning, even

22:23

though I'm going to forget everything. Well,

22:25

and in addition, you

22:28

will find, I hope, that it's

22:30

easier to learn calculus the second time

22:32

because that stuff is like there are

22:35

impressions left behind. Things

22:38

will start to click into place. Yeah, a

22:40

lot of the memorization. So a lot of

22:42

the like, here's what you do in this

22:44

situation, like you're presented with a thing, you're

22:46

like, I don't remember any of that. But

22:48

you, but you like, ultimately, I think a

22:51

lot of what higher ed is actually about

22:53

is learning how to learn. So like

22:56

getting the frameworks in place, so

22:58

that you get better at figuring

23:00

out new information. Yeah.

23:03

And so that you can, and

23:05

so that on some level, you can also

23:08

you learn how to learn, but you also

23:10

learn how to remind yourself of things. Oh,

23:12

for sure. You learn how to relearn. And

23:14

so, so maybe I don't remember the

23:16

presidency of john Tyler very well, but

23:18

I can, I know how to get

23:20

actual name of a real president. Yeah,

23:23

I know. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. You

23:25

picked the least, you know, I'd like

23:27

to know who the least known president

23:29

is. I bet it's john Tyler. No,

23:31

no way john Tyler has a living grandson.

23:33

Yeah, I mean, he's remembered by that guy.

23:38

I agree. John Tyler's

23:40

grandson wrote about john Tyler. I don't

23:43

think john, I know about my granddad, I

23:45

don't think john Tyler and his grandson overlapped.

23:48

You know, I think john Tyler was gone by

23:50

the time the grandson entered the picture. But I

23:52

know your point is well taken. Um,

23:55

I think that lots of people remember

23:57

john Tyler. But the point is that if I need to

24:00

remind myself of aspects of John Tyler's presidency,

24:02

I now know how to do that. And

24:04

I'll be like, oh, right, right, right, right.

24:07

And that fits into this. And this fits

24:09

into Millard Fillmore. And that fits into Martin

24:11

Van Buren. And this fits into the

24:13

War of 1812. And

24:15

so I'm able to make connections that

24:17

I couldn't otherwise make. And I think

24:19

that's a lot of what re-learning is

24:22

about, is about like remaking those connections

24:24

or deepening those connections. Yeah,

24:26

for sure. I mean, two years of not thinking about calculus, you're

24:28

going to lose a lot of it, but there's frameworks

24:31

there. And also, I have great news, there's

24:33

a ton of YouTube videos on

24:35

calculus. And you can freshen up

24:37

those pathways real fast. But

24:40

I think a lot of

24:44

people, I know a lot of people

24:46

who came out of school and then they did not do the

24:48

thing that they majored in and now

24:50

have like really interesting, cool jobs. The

24:54

thing that ultimately, a lot

24:56

of people are like, is it just like to prove that

24:58

I can do college? And it's like a little bit, I

25:00

think it's probably a little bit to prove that you could

25:02

do college. There's an aspect of hazing to it. Yeah,

25:05

but I think that there's also a

25:09

set of systems for both having

25:11

what John's talking about, which is like, I think it

25:13

was like a tree that like the more bushy my

25:15

tree is, the more ornaments I can hang on it.

25:17

Like all these things are connected together. And they're all

25:19

sort of like have a central trunk of like the

25:22

knowledge that I've built. But

25:24

also, it's having systems

25:26

for acquiring and like, it's going to be

25:28

different for every person. So like the

25:31

way that your brain works is different from how the way my

25:33

brain works. And so, but

25:36

having the systems for how to get information into

25:38

your head and then like synthesize it and connect

25:40

it to other stuff and then output something useful

25:42

with it, that

25:44

becomes something that

25:46

everybody does all of the time. I

25:50

didn't study infectious disease in college. And

25:53

in fact, if you told me in college that I would

25:55

one day write about infectious disease, I would have been like,

25:57

well, I understand that I'm concerned about it, but I'm surprised

25:59

about it. that it's become an area

26:01

of academic interest. But

26:04

the tools that I learned

26:07

in college about

26:09

not just how to acquire knowledge, but how

26:11

to share information, how to synthesize information, how

26:13

to process it, how to understand

26:16

what's an important or interesting

26:18

or sparkly detail, those

26:21

tools I use all the time, even

26:23

though I don't remember, for instance, like

26:25

I'll be honest, like I don't remember

26:28

a lot about the

26:30

scarlet letter. I don't remember even

26:33

that much about Moby Dick, which I've read twice.

26:37

But I think like the lessons I learned

26:39

about critical reading and writing about reading are

26:42

very useful in my life. Yeah,

26:45

but you will absolutely, I have read books and

26:47

been like, at the end of it, I was like, I was

26:49

pretty sure I read that book before. Oh

26:53

yeah, yeah, yeah. While, while.

26:56

Especially as I get older, it barely bothers

26:58

me. Yeah, if I told my like young

27:00

self who had read one or two novels,

27:04

both of which were like hugely

27:06

impactful on me because they

27:08

were the first novels I ever read, if I told that guy

27:11

that I would read a book

27:13

someday and like not remember anything

27:15

from it. Yeah. That

27:17

sounds, that sounds like nonsense, but

27:20

it happens. All right, we've got a

27:22

great question from Katie Hank, who writes, dear John and Hank, all

27:24

I will say is with a toddler at home

27:27

and a baby on the way, saving for college

27:29

is an absolute nightmare. It's unbelievable how rapidly the

27:31

cost is increasing. It was bad enough when we

27:33

were in college 10 years ago. I'm curious to

27:36

hear what your thoughts are on the future of

27:38

college and student loans. Is there some sort of

27:40

bubble that is going to burst or wall that

27:42

we're going to hit re-college costs? Are we going

27:45

to see a fall in private institutions and an

27:47

increase in people going to community college or certain

27:49

career paths going to move in the direction of

27:51

offering associates degrees instead of bachelors, years and anxiety,

27:54

Katie? Since 1980,

27:56

when I was born, the, like, Inflation

28:00

overall is 228%, and inflation of the cost of college tuition

28:02

is 1,184%. Wow.

28:10

So, five times cost of college

28:12

has grown five times faster than the rate of

28:14

inflation. And what

28:16

I say whenever I

28:19

am on a stage in front of

28:21

people who are in the higher education

28:23

industry, and it is, and they call it

28:25

an industry, it's

28:28

the second biggest, like education is the second

28:30

biggest industry in the US. Find

28:32

healthcare. I say to those people behind healthcare. Which

28:34

is also... I say to those people... Which

28:36

is also done a similar thing. There

28:39

is a point at which it

28:42

stops being worth it. Yeah. Yeah,

28:45

no, I mean... For everyone except for the people who have

28:47

the most. And so what

28:49

college originally was, was a way of

28:53

re-emphasizing social caste

28:55

and class, and making

28:57

sure that certain people had access to

28:59

certain kinds of futures

29:02

and other people didn't. And

29:04

then the idea was we can open that up

29:06

to more and more people. We

29:08

can have the public universities,

29:10

and that will allow for

29:13

socioeconomic mobility and for people

29:15

to be able to educate

29:17

and work themselves out of

29:20

poverty. And that would be good

29:22

for everyone. That

29:24

would be great for the social order. It's great

29:26

for the social order to have a well-educated population.

29:28

It's great for employers to

29:30

have a well-educated population, and it's great

29:32

for people to be educated. And

29:35

so everybody wins, right? Like that

29:37

was the idea and the promise of

29:40

the expansion of access to

29:42

post-secondary education. And

29:45

if the cost of college keeps

29:47

increasing faster than inflation, mathematically there's

29:49

a time when it breaks, when

29:51

it does not. And where

29:53

every year it becomes less worthwhile for more and

29:55

more and more people. And we are on that

29:57

curve now. It has occurred.

30:00

Like it is less it is not

30:02

worthwhile for folks to get for

30:04

certain folks to get certain educations.

30:08

And like, so

30:11

is there like going to be some day

30:13

of reckoning? I don't know. I don't know

30:15

if it gets if it gets fixed like

30:17

one day at a time, or

30:20

whether like it breaks. But

30:23

it feels like it like it's one of

30:25

those two things. The path that we

30:27

are on is not working. Right.

30:31

Right. Yeah, right.

30:33

Right. No matter what you think about

30:35

whether college is worth it, we can

30:38

say factually that it is less worth

30:40

it every year. And that

30:42

is a failure of the system. And

30:45

what we wanted to do with study hall and what

30:47

I know lots of other people are working on is

30:50

find ways to try

30:52

to reform that system. Some people are

30:54

working within the system. Some

30:56

people are working outside of it. Some people are

30:59

thinking about corporations offering

31:01

their own accredited degree

31:04

programs that you get while you work

31:06

for the corporation, which I think is

31:08

kind of a different dystopia rather than

31:11

an escape from dystopia. And

31:13

lots of people are trying to solve this problem.

31:16

But from my perspective, it begins

31:19

with the universal acknowledgement that it's

31:21

a problem. And

31:23

at least at certain sort

31:26

of the classy institutions, the ones that as

31:28

you say, Hank, like

31:31

long preserve the model of de

31:33

facto aristocracy that was used in

31:35

the 19th century in the United

31:40

States. Like if

31:44

that is coming back, that is very bad

31:46

news. It's such bad news. It's

31:48

not just bad news. It feels like that. It's

31:51

bad news for individual people

31:53

who are oppressed by those systems. Although of

31:55

course, those are the people who are most

31:58

centrally and most proximal. to

32:00

the bad news. It's also bad news for the

32:02

entire social order. It is bad news for society

32:04

itself. It is bad news for the country. It

32:06

is bad news for the world. Having

32:09

fewer people who have equal access

32:11

to educational opportunities is bad news

32:14

hard stop. Right.

32:17

Yeah. So I don't

32:20

know if there's some kind of bubble. I don't

32:22

know if there's some kind of break. I don't

32:24

know if there is like ... Because there's a

32:26

lot of infrastructure in place that is good.

32:28

I guess the thing that I try to remember is like ...

32:31

There's a lot of college that's also ... There's a lot of this

32:33

that works well. Yeah. It's

32:37

just that there's weird

32:39

incentives that ... It's

32:41

taken me a long time to start to

32:43

understand around like students

32:45

are less sensitive to cost because they're looking

32:47

at paying off their loans in the future,

32:49

not right now. Or their parents

32:52

are wealthy enough that they can pay

32:54

for it. And so people aren't

32:56

thinking about cost when they are buying a

32:58

very expensive thing, which is also a healthcare

33:01

thing. And

33:03

in that situation, then you end up with like,

33:07

why would you charge less? You

33:09

would provide more and better services.

33:11

So you get like extraordinarily nice

33:13

waiting rooms at the GI clinic,

33:15

which I have. Oh my

33:17

God. That fish tank. At my

33:20

GI clinic, I'm like, that is a well-maintained fish tank.

33:22

And I just ... I wonder if

33:24

they have that in Europe. I

33:26

wonder if they have really,

33:29

really nice brand new carpeting

33:31

in the

33:33

GI clinics of Europe, or if they just have

33:35

three common off- Do they have vaulted ceilings? Or

33:39

do they have like another space

33:41

to do more procedures? Yeah.

33:44

It's a huge room too. There's no one

33:46

ever in it. And despite the fact that

33:48

they're always booked solvents, so I don't know.

33:50

Right. Yeah. Even though you have to have

33:52

a six month wait, it's always empty. You

33:55

get the same pressure in college where

33:57

you provide more services, you have a-

34:00

more things that are like saleable, cool things that

34:02

students will be like, oh, there's like this program

34:04

and that there's a rock climbing wall. There's all

34:06

these different things that you may or may not

34:08

use. And that, you

34:10

know, it makes

34:12

the, it makes the purchase decision

34:15

easier. Or like when you're choosing

34:17

between two schools, it makes it easier

34:19

to pick one over the other. And these schools

34:21

are competing with each other to try and attract

34:23

new students. And that they spend so much money

34:25

on marketing and on, you know, things that are

34:28

services but are primarily marketing. And

34:31

I, yes, I worry a lot

34:35

that I don't know how to, like that

34:37

incentive structure is the thing that I don't know

34:39

how to disrupt. And like study hall is like,

34:41

here's one way to lower the price for

34:44

some people. But overall,

34:46

it feels a little bit

34:49

like we're probably headed to

34:51

a world where we create two different kinds

34:53

of college experiences. Yeah, which is such a

34:55

bummer. I mean, yeah,

34:57

where we kind of create a second class

34:59

college experience. We really, that's what we're trying

35:02

to fight against in study hall. Like we're

35:04

trying to give a really good quality experience.

35:06

Yeah, give people like their foot in the

35:08

door so that they can then have

35:11

the rest of the experience with a

35:13

lower upfront cost. But I think it's safe

35:15

to say that Hank and I don't know the solution. No,

35:18

yeah. And I don't know that I

35:20

can't predict the future either, but it worries us a great deal,

35:22

which is why we think about it so

35:24

much. Yeah. I would say it's in my top

35:26

17 worries. This

35:32

next question comes from Olivia who writes, which is

35:34

very high. I have thousands, maybe hundreds

35:36

of thousands of worries. Olivia writes, dear John

35:38

and Hank. So I moved away from my

35:40

husband's medical for my husband's medical

35:42

school before I could finish my computer science degree. I'm

35:44

finishing it up now, but I feel like I'm not

35:47

sure I still like computer science. Like I'm trying to

35:49

get an internship because maybe I just don't like school,

35:51

but job hunting isn't going that well. And

35:53

I guess my question is, what do I do

35:56

once I graduate? Like should I look at other

35:58

fields? I've been volunteering at a food pantry. And

36:00

I really enjoy that so far. So I guess

36:02

if I don't find a job I can just

36:04

volunteer more to code or not to code Olivia.

36:06

So Hank, I majored in religious studies and I

36:09

thought that I needed now It's different from computer

36:11

science obviously, but I thought that I had to

36:13

find some kind of religion job That's why I

36:15

worked as a chaplain and thought I was going

36:18

to become an episcopal priest because I

36:20

was a religion major And it made sense that's a

36:22

that's a job that people have I

36:24

know episcopal priests and I knew that that

36:27

job existed and that you know You

36:29

could do it for your life and make enough money that

36:31

you would be you know, not Certainly

36:35

not wealthy, but you know, like you could

36:37

have a life And

36:41

It was really only after I got

36:43

into the world of that like doing

36:45

chaplaincy and stuff that I was like

36:49

Like I like the other jobs at this

36:51

hospital more and I don't like them that

36:53

much You know, like I would

36:55

look at the social workers and i'd be like I like

36:57

that job more I don't like

36:59

that job. That job seems extremely hard

37:01

and sad, but I like it more

37:03

than this job and I

37:07

know we talked about this earlier hank, but like

37:09

we both know so many people like that like

37:11

us Well, not like you but like

37:13

most people I know who studied

37:15

one thing and do something else Yeah

37:18

Yeah, and I also I mean It

37:22

you know doing the work of uh

37:25

of computer programming Can

37:27

be different kinds of work Yeah,

37:30

I was thinking you can you can program

37:32

you can code at the food pantry probably

37:34

like they probably well I mean, yeah, there's

37:36

like code for america's is a amazing

37:39

organization uh It

37:42

basically says like look there's a lot of people

37:44

trying to make a bunch of money at this

37:46

but also there's like a lot of coding

37:48

that needs to get done for Just

37:51

getting services to people and that might feel

37:53

more rewarding and it also might be Hanging

37:56

out like most workplaces

38:00

So this might be changing with the advent

38:02

of workplaces not being as

38:04

physical anymore. But even

38:06

in a more virtual world, I think

38:09

that most workplaces are down to the

38:11

people that you're working with. And of

38:14

course, working in doing

38:16

coding for government agencies

38:18

is going to be bureaucratic and annoying.

38:21

But there's going to be lots of well-meaning people who are

38:23

trying to make the world work better.

38:26

It's also an organization, I think it's called like 10, 80,000 hours

38:28

maybe. And

38:31

it's basically an organization that

38:33

it's like tries to get

38:36

people a place to work that is

38:39

going to have a positive impact.

38:41

And the idea is

38:43

you spend 80,000 hours in your career over

38:45

the course of the time that you spend

38:47

working. That's going to be

38:49

a much bigger impact in the world than recycling or

38:52

how you donate your money. And

38:54

so actually, what you're working on with your

38:57

time is a huge impact. And so this

38:59

is an organization where it's like, are you

39:01

able to choose to work for

39:04

an organization and to provide that

39:06

value? Yeah, and

39:08

I'm pretty sure that's what it's called. You can do

39:10

that and still make a living, right? I think about

39:12

the People's Code for Partners in Health. There

39:15

was a huge project a few years back

39:17

that I think was an open source project

39:19

to figure out how digital medical records can

39:21

work in impoverished communities. And that's like incredibly

39:24

complicated, challenging coding that is

39:26

also having a massive measurable

39:31

impact in the lives of the most vulnerable people in the

39:33

world. So I don't think it's

39:35

necessarily either or, but I also think

39:37

if you just aren't interested in coding

39:39

and you're like, then okay,

39:41

you take that experience and what you learned and

39:43

the rigor and discipline that it gave you and

39:46

you apply it to something else in your world.

39:49

And you'll find that that can

39:51

be fulfilling as well. So I definitely

39:53

don't think that you have to... This

39:56

is part of the reason why I think, yes, it

39:58

is a big decision where you go. to college,

40:00

what you study, these are very big decisions

40:02

that can have massive impacts on your life.

40:05

But they

40:07

aren't necessarily final.

40:09

Think about my friend David, who went to

40:11

medical school when

40:15

he was like 31. Because

40:18

he decided he wanted to be a doctor, and now he's

40:20

a doctor. And yeah, it

40:22

was a little bit of a different path for him. And he

40:24

had to do a lot of work and take out a lot

40:28

of loans to make that dream come true. And he's

40:30

gonna have a shorter career than most doctors and yada,

40:32

yada, yada. But like, he got to live his

40:34

dream. And

40:37

he didn't know what his dream was until he was 31.

40:40

And that's okay. Which reminds

40:42

me that today's dream, today's podcast

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42:20

the situation. Okay. Carl,

42:22

you're about to graduate and I will miss our drives

42:25

to school listening to podcasts. Thank you for sharing them

42:27

with me. We don't know what the

42:29

future holds and you may not have figured out what

42:31

you're going to do for a living, but that's okay.

42:33

A lot of people don't know what they're gonna do

42:35

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42:38

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42:40

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42:42

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42:44

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42:47

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42:49

I think there's a chance, Hank. I

42:53

think it's probably different Carls. It

42:56

seems like different Carls, but the chance

42:59

is there that it's just Carl. I'm

43:01

gonna say it's a one

43:03

in three chance that it's Carl

43:05

speaking to Carl's self and

43:08

a two in three chance that there

43:10

are two identically spelled Carls who

43:13

drive to school with

43:15

each other, possibly a father and son duo,

43:17

a sort of Carl Sr., Carl Jr. Yeah,

43:21

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43:23

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43:25

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43:27

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43:29

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47:20

we meet again. Green Brothers. We. Have never

47:23

met switch to the position in a research lab

47:25

at my university as an undergraduate freshmen and I'm

47:27

terrified because it's just me in the lead professor

47:29

working on this project so there's no graduate soon

47:31

to tell me how to do things. I was

47:33

like literally given my own laboratory the key to

47:35

it on the first day of and induction furnace

47:37

that in heat up to new thousand degrees celsius

47:39

and a bunch of other things and I function

47:42

on my own like this. I'm eighteen has been

47:44

given state of the art technology and I'm doing

47:46

research said no one has ever done before just

47:48

because I pestered some guy a few times to

47:50

what we do research and know I'm in way.

47:52

Over my head. Not a car Or a man

47:54

car man. oh man i

47:56

remember this moment where the first i'm

47:59

like my purse or turned to me and was

48:01

like, what should we do next? And I

48:03

was like, I don't know. That's not how this works,

48:05

man. I, my

48:08

education has so far been doing what people tell

48:10

me to do, not telling them what to do.

48:13

Yeah, there is this really intense moment

48:15

in education where like, you're basically learning

48:17

about the contours of a wall. You're

48:19

like examining every part of the wall

48:22

and people are telling you this part

48:24

of the wall we discovered in 1803,

48:26

because this person did that and this

48:28

part of the wall we figured out

48:32

this way and this part of the wall we figured

48:34

out that way. And then they're like, hey, this

48:37

is going to sound wild, but we need

48:39

you to add to the wall. Yeah,

48:42

we need you to get

48:44

some mortar and some brick. I've

48:46

only been educated in wall studies,

48:48

not in wall additions. You

48:51

don't understand.

48:56

I touch wall. I don't build wall.

49:01

I observe wall. It's super weird. And

49:04

like, I think the only thing you can

49:06

do is do it. Like, don't like burn

49:08

your hand off, but like do it. And

49:12

like, like have, try and find a question you don't

49:15

know the answer to and try and figure out how

49:17

to get to the answer. And I think

49:20

that the first thing I said in

49:22

that situation was a bad experiment that

49:24

didn't go well. Right? Like of course

49:26

it is. That's kind of the point.

49:28

Like they're not going to expect you

49:30

to like be perfect at this at

49:32

first. Right. And there was like, I

49:34

did a lot. Oh, I did. I

49:36

spent so much time in labs getting

49:38

zero result, you know, just like, sure.

49:41

Just so much time. And then you

49:43

get the spectrum back from the chemical

49:45

that you made. And it's like, that's

49:47

not what it should have been. That's

49:49

the wrong. Like I got it too

49:51

hot and I polymerized it. Great. Great.

49:53

I guess I'll just go die. But

49:58

the but yeah. I mean, that's

50:02

the work, man. And no professor

50:04

is gonna be surprised that,

50:06

you know, it's often that you're getting to

50:08

do that research as a freshman, but no

50:11

professor is gonna be surprised that a freshman doesn't

50:14

do everything exactly right the first time. So just

50:16

do it. Yeah, and look,

50:19

Carmen, we all have imposter syndrome. None of us

50:21

deserve to be doing what

50:23

we're doing because

50:25

deserving isn't the right framework through

50:27

which to consider human experience. So

50:30

you've got this opportunity and

50:33

enjoy it. And don't stress out too much

50:35

if everything you

50:37

try burns up in

50:39

that 2000 centigrade induction

50:42

furnace. Yeah. Hank,

50:45

John, before you get to the all-important news from

50:47

Mars and AP Women, someone asks you what your

50:49

go-to meal is at the Gambier cafeteria.

50:54

I feel like you need to answer. Well,

50:56

one thing I do remember about that

50:59

900-page guide to colleges was

51:01

that they had like a one

51:03

to 100 ranking of everything. And Kenyon- Oh,

51:06

it was Kenyon College, asked the question. Oh,

51:09

that's hilarious. Kenyon, at the

51:11

time, their food score out of 100 was 17,

51:15

one seven. Sure, sure, that makes sense. The

51:17

food was very bad. It

51:21

was three times per day. If you missed it,

51:23

you missed it. Sure. Now,

51:26

of course, everything is different. In college, kids

51:28

eat chicks all day off their meal plans

51:30

or whatever. But in my day,

51:32

you ate what you ate and you didn't say no.

51:36

But there was a salad bar, and I think

51:38

there was a sandwich bar, but you know what

51:40

I ate most days was popcorn. This

51:44

is very similar to my

51:46

go-to order. I ate popcorn

51:48

and then I had a microwave back in

51:50

my apartment and I would make, or my

51:52

dorm room, and I would make hot pockets.

51:55

I thought you were gonna reheat the popcorn. That's

51:57

how crazy my brain was. No,

52:00

I thought you're gonna take the popcorn home and

52:02

make it hot again. So I was really I

52:05

was not well, right? That was not not not

52:07

doing healthy OCD wise and I had this thing

52:09

where I was like look It's very hard and

52:12

it's not fun But you have to eat a

52:14

thousand calories a day and the good news is

52:16

these two pop darts are 780 Two

52:21

hot pockets not popped. Oh, sorry hot

52:23

hot hot pockets. We both now made

52:25

errors in today's podcast and and

52:28

I don't know why I felt like pointing

52:30

back to your air, but I did and And

52:34

then I would just eat like popcorn and a little bit

52:36

of salad. What about you? I

52:40

when nothing else looked good like there'd

52:42

be things around that were like,

52:44

you know by hot bar Spcoops

52:47

when I didn't look good which was many days I there

52:50

was a pasta bar and I would get

52:52

pasta with butter and salt that sounds great

52:54

I mean, that's the dream pasta with butter

52:56

and salt if it works for again spaghetti.

52:58

Why not us? And

53:03

then it bread if I got scurvy I

53:05

got Then

53:08

I had an orange once a month

53:10

like a like a 17th century mariner

53:14

All right, John wants to do some nasty one with him. Oh God,

53:17

I don't know Hank. We're one point out of

53:20

the playoffs So we're

53:22

doing we're having a great season We've

53:25

signed these we've signed a couple new guys

53:27

at the end of the January transfer window

53:29

who are looking pretty good Including

53:32

this guy Ronan Curtis who's just like

53:34

way too good for League two but

53:36

he was rehabbing his ACL injury with

53:38

us and Kind of

53:40

as a favor since he got to rehab his

53:42

ACL injury with us He signed for the rest

53:44

of the season just to like get himself back

53:47

fit and in shape to go crush the championship

53:49

or whatever He's gonna do next and

53:51

he's been great He's been scoring goals for

53:53

us left and right we're undefeated

53:55

at home. Most interestingly in the

53:57

last like eight games most interesting

54:00

Every time we've gotten a lead at the

54:02

last 15 times we've gotten a lead

54:04

We've held it which is

54:06

essentially unprecedented in AFC Wimbledon history Like

54:08

we're famously the team that gets a

54:11

lead and then loses it but we've

54:13

been holding our leads Not

54:15

least thanks to a last-second

54:17

center back signing named

54:20

who named Kofi

54:22

Balmer and Kofi Balmer Hank has

54:24

the one thing that I believe

54:26

that AFC Wimbledon has been missing

54:29

lo these many years and He

54:31

has a proper long throw. So

54:33

this is a guy every lower

54:35

league English soccer

54:37

team needs a long throw guy This is

54:40

my theory because the long throw guy if

54:42

it gets if it's if it's a

54:44

throw in down in the opponent's Area

54:47

the long throw guy can basically turn it

54:49

into a corner kick where he throws it

54:51

so long that it goes all the way

54:53

In front of the goal and it just

54:55

it gets in the mixer. It causes problems

54:57

people start out And so finally

54:59

we have this proper long throw guy and we haven't

55:01

scored a goal from it yet And we look terrible

55:03

every time we have a long throw, but I just

55:06

love having a long throw guy I

55:08

just feel like we're a proper football club now.

55:10

We got a long throw guy and This

55:13

is I just feels good that like losing The

55:17

guy Ali al-hamadi Ali al-hamadi. Yeah, you

55:19

got somebody else. It hasn't even kind

55:21

of it Hasn't been catastrophic far catastrophic

55:23

because not least because of this long

55:25

throw guy Kofi Balmer Who's kind of

55:27

become a little bit of my hero?

55:30

It's weird to think that a guy who can

55:32

throw the ball throw it so far You can't

55:34

imagine so far you can't like a big deal

55:36

this guy can throw it. This is

55:38

like Joey Decord Do you know Joey Decord of the

55:41

Seattle Kraken? No, does he have a trick? He

55:43

well, we like lost this like legendary goalie

55:45

for the first half of the season because

55:47

he was injured Back now, but so we

55:50

were like had to rely on and he

55:52

turned out to be amazing and a weird

55:54

thing happened when the goal And Joey's on

55:56

the ice. They are more likely to score

55:58

goals Which is like,

56:00

that's a goalie. How is he offensive? But

56:04

he's just very active. He gets out of the

56:06

crease a lot. He has good stick work. He

56:08

passes well. It's that good distribution. That's what you

56:11

saw. You need a goalie

56:13

with good distribution as well. Good distribution.

56:15

That's key. That's key. We

56:17

used to talk about goalies needing

56:20

to be quick with their reflexes, which

56:22

they still do, but now they need to be, as

56:24

they say, good with their feet. Got

56:26

to be good with their feet. Joey DeCorda is good with the

56:29

stick. Got to be good with the stick. What's

56:31

the news in Mars? In Mars news,

56:33

John, I have geology news. So Mars

56:35

is not thought to be currently volcanically

56:37

active. Though I maintain that it may

56:40

yet be again. Okay. But

56:42

that's an opinion. Researchers have

56:44

been on the lookout for volcanoes to

56:46

better understand Mars' geological past. And

56:49

they've got probes. They've

56:51

been doing a lot of research. They

56:53

looked at 63 different volcanic structures in

56:56

the Aridania region, which is located in

56:58

the Southern Hemisphere. And they've also been

57:00

trying to figure out if basin ...

57:02

like looking at these basins in the

57:04

Aridania region to see how

57:07

they formed. Because it seems like a

57:09

long time ago they were formed by something

57:11

called crustal recycling, which we of course have

57:13

here on Earth. Because we

57:15

have plate tectonics where the crust we

57:17

have now has been used

57:19

before. So the rocks aren't the age of

57:21

the Earth. They're new rocks that have come

57:24

up again from the Earth. But Mars doesn't

57:26

have plate tectonics. But it does

57:28

appear to have some regions of crustal recycling.

57:32

Not a ton, but some. And

57:34

that means that the area was ... it

57:37

was kind of crustal recycling called

57:39

vertical tectonics where land masses move

57:42

upwards. And we think that

57:44

on Earth vertical tectonics was the thing

57:46

that happened first before plate tectonics took

57:48

over. So it looks like Mars did

57:50

like the first step, but it got

57:52

froze in the middle of the first

57:54

step. So studying that could

57:56

help us understand Mars of course, but also might

57:58

be a way to better understand Mars. how

58:00

Earth's history of early crustal

58:03

recycling through vertical tectonics happened

58:05

before plate tectonics took over.

58:07

Super cool. Makes

58:09

me want to really not get frozen in

58:12

terms of our current tectonics. Would not like

58:14

to become a

58:17

geologically inactive planet as much as

58:19

that would be good for fewer

58:21

earthquakes. John,

58:23

I have a surprise for you. Great. I

58:26

got in the live stream for the Dear

58:28

Hank and John patrons five minutes ago and

58:30

they've just been listening to the end of

58:32

the podcast. Oh that's great. I love it.

58:34

All right. That's amazing. Thanks to everybody for

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being part of this at patreon.com/dear Hank and

58:38

John. They can't hear you. They can't hear

58:41

you. Right. Sure. Of course. I don't know

58:43

why I didn't put that together. Go ahead

58:45

and read the credits. Thank

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