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Hello everyone, and welcome back to

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the third to last episode of The

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Deal in Wilson Podcasts. Oh

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it's been a fun ride. Huh. I'm

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gonna miss you guys very much. And I just want to

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thank you so much for all the sweet messages

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that you have sent me. They have made me

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feel so good. They've really

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bolstered my spirit. So I

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just wanted to tell you I'm really grateful for those

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because it made me feel like, you know, someone

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was listening. And yeah,

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I just love you all and I hope that you

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are having a good week. If not, you're experiencing

0:35

joy in some way. Um,

0:37

and I have a really special episode for

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you today, really fun.

0:42

It's with Open Mic Eagles, who I

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really didn't know super well um

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before this podcast, and

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um, we've seen each other around say what's up on

0:52

the same show sometimes and stuff, but I didn't

0:54

really know each other. So it's a really cool conversation.

0:57

And he also did the letter in

0:59

a form that has never been done

1:01

before in the history of the show,

1:03

even the live show, and I think it turned

1:06

out so cool. So that was really exciting

1:08

and I'm excited for you guys to hear that. And

1:12

yeah, um, I just get I

1:14

guess, keep on keeping

1:16

on. We only have two episodes left, got

1:18

to a couple of banger guests for the last ones.

1:21

I was really hoping in

1:23

this experience that we were going

1:25

to get Owen Wilson on UM.

1:28

But you know, four or five months was not

1:30

enough time to make contact with Owen

1:32

Wilson Um. But

1:34

that was the goal when I started this podcast

1:37

to have him on. So yeah,

1:40

too bad, But I have a feeling my paths

1:42

are going to cross with him before before

1:45

my life comes to an end. Who knows, who

1:47

knows? I think so though, right, And

1:49

I just want to remind you guys as well.

1:53

Um. And this is not a slight

1:55

on at you or anything at all

1:58

at all, because you know this.

2:01

We had this podcast for a very short time. But

2:03

I just want to remind you if you have an artist,

2:05

you like, a creator and author,

2:08

a musician, a comedian, and

2:10

they put something out like a

2:13

lot of times, their fate

2:16

or the project is dependent

2:18

on seemingly small things

2:20

like pre orders or leaving a podcast

2:22

review or something. And I know

2:25

I was like trying to push the reviews

2:27

along the way because I knew that the contract,

2:30

you know, would be up for review to see if

2:32

they want to renew. But yeah, like

2:34

or just you know, pre ordering a book, or when a movie

2:37

comes out in a movie theater from like you know,

2:39

first time director or actor or stuff like

2:41

that. Um, A lot of times

2:43

people's fate is in your hands. And I've learned

2:45

from this because I never get podcast

2:47

reviews that I'm like, Okay,

2:50

if I listen to a podcast, I will be reviewing

2:52

it from now on because you

2:54

know, I don't want something I like to go

2:57

away, or you know, I want

2:59

I want the to see more things from someone

3:01

who's work that I enjoy consuming.

3:04

Um. But yeah, that's that. And

3:07

hopefully I'm gonna have some stuff come out

3:10

uh for you guys in the future

3:13

coming up here, I thought will

3:15

be exciting. I pray, I hope

3:17

to God. Um

3:20

yeah, I'm over here trying to stay positive

3:22

about life, and

3:25

I hope you are too, and I'm sending

3:27

you lost of love. Okay, enjoy

3:29

this episode. I think it was really cool

3:32

and we got really deep, so I hope you enjoyed

3:34

that as well too. All Right, I love

3:36

you all. God bless hello

3:46

everyone, and welcome back

3:48

to the Dear Old in Wilson

3:51

Podcast. Yes,

3:53

your boy playing back for another exciting

3:56

week crazy show

3:58

ahead. Oh my gosh,

4:01

Wow, you guys, you wouldn't

4:03

believe the guests I have for you today. You

4:05

actually wouldn't fucking believe

4:07

it. I just keep bringing you

4:10

guests as hit guests after

4:12

hit guests. It's really incredible.

4:15

My guest today is so excited to have him

4:17

here, excited to get to know him

4:19

better. Please welcome open

4:22

Mike Eagle. Everybody.

4:33

All right, Hello, that was a rousing introduction,

4:36

and it gives me a lot to be intimidated

4:38

by. Really, Yeah,

4:40

because I was prepared to be a guest.

4:42

I wasn't prepared to be a hit guest. That

4:45

seems like a high bar. Yeah,

4:47

sure, you could say it's a high bar. But

4:50

also, you know, sometimes people

4:52

see us differently

4:55

than we see ourselves. Oh, I bank

4:57

on that every day. That's what I'm hoping is happening.

5:00

Yeah, every day people

5:02

are seeing something different than I'm thinking.

5:05

Oh I know, I hear you deeply

5:07

on that. It's um, it's a daily

5:10

struggle like who

5:12

am I? Who am I to fucking

5:14

do this? And then so then

5:16

and then there's all the stuff that you know about yourself.

5:19

And then there's this idea

5:21

of a shadow self, which

5:23

is all the stuff that people can see

5:25

about you that you aren't aware

5:27

of. What I

5:30

know to the listeners out there, are you aware

5:32

of your shadow self? The shadow self can be defined

5:35

as the disowned parts of ourselves

5:37

that we reject and try to hide in the

5:39

shadows, but really are there,

5:41

unclaimed and um glaring,

5:44

and everybody sees them, you know,

5:47

like the Naked Emperor shadow

5:50

work. Um, I don't. I

5:52

wasn't aware that there was a such thing, but I would

5:55

like to. Oh yeah,

5:58

yeah, it's not easy. I'll tell you.

6:00

That doesn't feel great. I think I can't

6:04

be easy because you can't like you're working

6:06

on a part of yourself that you're technically not

6:08

aware of. Yeah,

6:11

or you know what they say is the fast

6:13

track to shadow work. Anything

6:16

that you dislike in someone

6:18

else is a rejected

6:20

part of ourselves, because ultimately everything

6:23

is a mirror and so and

6:26

so. Like sometimes if I think like

6:28

someone's really arrogant or something,

6:31

it's not like I think I'm arrogant,

6:33

but it's showing me like, oh I wish I had

6:35

more confidence or yeah

6:38

like that, Yeah, yeah,

6:40

I try to think. I try to be

6:42

aware of that. Like when i'm something

6:45

and someone else is rubbing me, I'm like, oh,

6:47

where is this in myself that I am

6:49

avoiding? I ain't been

6:51

doing that, but I'm gonna start. That's that's a

6:54

that's a great little, a little string to tug

6:56

on. I think I'm gonna have fun with that, like

6:59

you know, like dark to be fun. Yeah,

7:01

yeah, yeah, yeah, well fun.

7:03

That's a nice fun. That's

7:05

a bullyiant perspective on shadow

7:08

work. I like that. Well, I just

7:10

like I like, like, you know, I want

7:12

to school for psychology and all that and

7:14

and all just to kind of plumb the

7:17

depths of myself because I didn't understand myself

7:19

or the world at all. So

7:22

I spent my whole life trying to understand

7:24

stuff. I pay a lot for therapy, you

7:26

know, and I'm a happy I'm

7:28

at my happiest when i feel

7:30

like I'm paying for something that's

7:32

working. So uh

7:35

so kind of like the heart of the work, the better

7:37

for me, because I'm tired of messing

7:40

around. I know, I am too,

7:42

I am too. I also think that's like a symptom

7:45

of where we are in this moment.

7:47

In culture, in

7:49

history, tell me more, please. That sounds

7:52

really interesting, And

7:54

I know that sounds very insincere,

7:56

but I mean it, I really do mean it. Um.

7:59

I think we have kind

8:01

of been sucked under by

8:04

the digital age and social media and

8:07

all this stuff where we have

8:09

become so distracted and disconnected

8:12

from ourselves in the which

8:14

is understandable in the amount of

8:17

absolute, unquantifiable

8:20

information that we're in taking through

8:22

our phones at any given time. Also,

8:25

it's just like a lot of fear narrative constant,

8:28

like just in taking that much information, it

8:30

is just like an overload on the nervous

8:32

system. And then also it's like sometimes

8:35

it's like are we even really living

8:38

a life? Or how performative

8:40

have we gotten to the point of, like,

8:42

what's the distinction between who

8:44

we really are and what we're projecting

8:47

to the world. I love it, and I have

8:49

so much to say about all of that. Um. One

8:52

thing I like to think about is if I

8:54

were in a member

8:56

of an alien species Unlet's say

8:58

I could see us and what we're

9:01

doing, but I couldn't see

9:03

any of the things that were on the screens

9:05

we're looking at. We would look insane

9:08

because we're just staring at rectangles

9:10

all the time. We're just sitting somewhere staring

9:12

at Like I'm staring at a rectangle right now.

9:15

If you couldn't see what was on the screen, this

9:17

would look crazy.

9:19

Yeah, I know, um, And

9:22

I don't know if it will be for

9:24

everyone, But I have such

9:27

a dream to be off social media completely,

9:29

Like if I could get successful enough where

9:31

I don't need it, you know, um,

9:34

because that would feel good, It

9:36

would. This is the thing I realized

9:38

recently though. Um,

9:40

so as a

9:43

public figure, as an entertainer,

9:46

as a comic, and me as a musician and

9:48

all the other stuff I do, we

9:50

actually have it a

9:52

little easier on social media than other

9:54

people. But in this one specific way.

9:58

What I realized is at everybody

10:02

on social media, like especially on like TikTok,

10:04

where you gotta put like a lot of effort into stuff,

10:07

um, they

10:10

are constantly grabbing with this existential

10:12

question of why am I doing this? But

10:17

for us it's easier because we always have a thing

10:19

to promote, like our our reason for

10:21

engaging with this stuff is very surface

10:25

and in that and in that way, we don't have to deal with

10:27

this existential question of like why

10:29

am I making this two minute movie?

10:32

Like why am I doing this? And and um,

10:35

I'm I'm seeing some of the ways that

10:37

that is. There's

10:40

there's ways that that's bearing fruit in the generational

10:42

war between gen Z

10:44

and millennials because gen Z

10:46

constantly makes fun of the ways that

10:49

millennials engage with social

10:51

media. Uh oh, it's so much

10:54

and it could get us way off track.

10:56

Oh that's okay. I love to be tangential

10:59

on this podcast and get to know my guests

11:01

more, especially because you know, when we get

11:03

into the interview things get real crazy.

11:07

But yeah, you know, because

11:09

I lived in l A

11:11

Now a couple of years and like I

11:14

sort of see you around peripherally

11:16

or we've done a few shows, but like I, I don't.

11:18

I haven't really gotten to spend

11:21

time with you before. We've been we've been green room

11:23

pals. But that's about the extent of

11:25

it. Yeah, yeah, But um, it's

11:27

so cool what you do and very different.

11:29

And you have a new project coming out right or

11:31

did it just come out or it came out um

11:35

last Friday, which is why coat

11:38

has been absent. Thank you. It's my eighth

11:40

rap. Baby. Wow, that's

11:42

a law. You're prolific. Hey, I think

11:45

so, and I'm also old. Yeah,

11:47

I feel old this. Yeah, I

11:49

mean, I'm I'm I'm I'm in hip

11:52

hop, so I'm constantly faced with my

11:54

own, uh elderly

11:56

nous. Somebody called me an elder statesman

11:59

in a in a review yesterday,

12:02

Like yeah, it's like and it's it's

12:04

it's true, it kind of almost has to

12:06

be. But also it's

12:09

like that's like a deep compliment

12:11

because elder statesman, there's like

12:13

inherent nobility to that and

12:15

respect. But you're like, hey, bitch,

12:18

chill. Yeah,

12:20

oh my god, it's like, yeah,

12:23

if there is no ability in it, but there's also

12:25

this foundational old that's

12:27

in it. Yeah, and

12:30

I that part hits me first. Yeah.

12:33

No. It was my birthday yesterday,

12:35

Happy birthday, thank you, And

12:39

it was just like odd.

12:41

I was like, oh no, am I

12:43

just feeling I hate

12:45

this idea and I know it a lot of it

12:48

has to do with this business, but like,

12:50

I don't know, if I lived in a forest, if I would

12:52

feel like shame as a woman for

12:54

just not dying right,

12:56

just existing too long? Yeah exactly.

13:00

Yeah, And I was like I really resent

13:02

this feeling because you

13:04

know, I don't think that's my voice. Like what

13:06

a gift to be alive and to do

13:08

all this stuff. And then I'm like, what is that?

13:11

That's not me? And I resent

13:13

it. That's not my feelings

13:16

someone else's. Yeah,

13:18

And and I mean there's so many prongs

13:21

to the way that uh uh capitalism

13:24

oppresses us and and and agism

13:27

is right there at the front

13:29

of it. How because you know, capitalism, the

13:31

whole engine of it is making everybody feel inadequate.

13:34

And that's like the easiest way to

13:36

make somebody feel inadequate is to

13:38

tell them that they've lived too long. Yeah,

13:41

And there's no master at twelve,

13:43

you know this Christ,

13:45

you know, especially when you're doing some sort

13:48

of difficult creative craft,

13:50

right, there's no master. And also no um

13:53

no uh discretionary

13:56

income to try to get from the twelve

13:58

year old. So nobody's really trying to make them feel bad

14:00

about anything, you know. Yeah.

14:05

Yeah, So how um, where

14:07

can everyone find your m and

14:09

tell us a little bit about the project? Okay,

14:12

it's called Component System with the auto reverse

14:15

um and it's on all digital

14:18

music things. That's on the Apple Music

14:20

and the spot of like all the things that don't pay nothing

14:23

but are everywhere UM

14:25

band camp, UM and

14:29

there's Yeah, we have the vinyl but it's sold out

14:31

already, probably press some more

14:33

and it's gonna be like CTS and all that, because the

14:35

whole project is kind of like this. UM

14:38

I am evoking UM

14:41

the era of hip hop which

14:44

I fell in love with hip hop, which is like specifically

14:46

like UM.

14:50

And it's not so much that the music sounds

14:52

like that exactly, but

14:54

UM, my approach to it and how

14:57

I made the album is, uh,

15:00

it's just kind of me going back to how UM

15:02

like, what is it? What it was

15:04

about the music that hooked

15:07

me then? And a lot of it was

15:09

just like very straight

15:12

forward, talented, impressive

15:16

UM rapping, like rapping with a sense

15:18

of urgency. And I felt a lot of that urgency

15:20

anyway, just existing the past couple

15:23

of years. So one of the ways I chose to

15:25

funnel it was was into

15:27

my approach and how I am

15:29

UM delivering lyrics

15:32

on this album. Cool.

15:34

That sounds really exciting. Yeah,

15:37

I mean I've been excited because people seem to like

15:39

it a lot. Yeah.

15:41

Yeah, so that's cool. How

15:43

good is it when people like your ship?

15:47

Yeah? Because that's the thing. It's given me

15:49

too, It's given me the contrast. It's

15:51

like, oh, y'all like this one, but

15:53

that means y'all really didn't like the last one

15:57

or they just didn't catch on yet.

15:59

Like Ship is like such a marathon.

16:02

True, true, but but but there's

16:05

a there's a definite contrast. My

16:07

last album was definitely a departure. Um.

16:11

It was about like ship, I

16:13

was going through like it's called anime

16:15

trauma and divorce, and it was about my life and

16:17

it was a lot of like belly aching and trying to

16:19

work it out, like really stuff

16:21

that I wrote because my therapist reminded

16:24

me that I was lucky that

16:26

I have a creative outlet in which I get to

16:28

help myself process things, because

16:30

I never really used my music that way, like

16:32

to help me through Ship. Um,

16:35

So I did it, and I

16:37

made these songs and they helped, and then

16:39

I decided to put them out. And

16:42

the jury still out on whether or not that

16:44

part was a good idea. Isn't

16:47

that crazy though? As like artists

16:49

where like I don't

16:51

know, like I know as a comedian,

16:53

and I think it's probably very similar

16:56

as a musician, Like if

16:58

I and I'm like an extremely

17:00

sensitive person. If I'm going

17:02

through something or depressed. Sometimes

17:05

it feels absolutely psychotic

17:09

to go on stage and

17:12

be like you know what it means,

17:14

like a motherfucking clown, And I'm

17:16

like, oh my god, this is deranged.

17:19

Like the dichotomy between how

17:22

I'm feeling right now with what I'm what

17:24

is expected of me is crazy.

17:26

But then you think, like all the greats like

17:28

go through it, like you think of like Picasso's

17:31

Blue period and like or just like so

17:33

many other people like filmmakers, musicians,

17:36

like artists, like where they're going through

17:39

ship and like sometimes they do put

17:41

out it like an album or stuff like that, and

17:43

it's just like a marker of of their

17:46

their journey. I hate

17:48

that word. Yeah, but it's true.

17:51

Um. And I think the thing for

17:53

me though, is like, Okay, I tried that, and

17:57

I don't think it's for me, you know,

17:59

because I've done anything

18:01

else at that moment in time. Is the thing?

18:03

Also, Like I think I think that's true too,

18:06

And yeah, I think both those things are true.

18:08

But you know, I think when I'm oh my gosh,

18:11

so yard people are here,

18:13

that's okay, I can't hear ship. I can't

18:15

hear anything. Fantastic. I don't

18:17

hear any motherfucking yard people

18:20

good good, because they're blowing leaves right

18:22

in this direction, all right. I think

18:24

leafblowers should be banned. I think we should

18:27

have to live with leaves. I hate leaf

18:29

blowers. Also allowed motorcycles, but you

18:31

guys all know that. Yeah, I also hate

18:33

loud motorcycles. And I don't

18:35

so much mind leaf flowers except for when they

18:37

don't the ones that don't really stop when

18:39

you're trying to walk down on the sidewalk. Like those

18:42

guys. Yeah, they bother

18:44

me because, like, you know, you're blowing

18:46

dirt in the air, like just

18:49

courtesy stop, you know. But

18:51

I also think they can't hear and

18:53

like they're also it's so loud. They're sort

18:55

of getting entranced in their own little process,

18:58

and that happens to me. This will not

19:00

shock you, Mike, but I'm allergic.

19:03

I'm a bubble to

19:06

the dust, and

19:07

I'm like, I'm gonna

19:10

be wiped out on this fucking sidewalk

19:13

walk by and breathe. Yeah,

19:16

no, i'd totally understand. I think the big

19:18

problem with my yard stuff

19:21

because I rent this house and so I don't

19:23

control any of when this happens. Um.

19:26

And I also, oh, my God, you've

19:28

got to be able to hear that. No, I don't hear it.

19:32

There's like a full on engine

19:34

strapped to a person that is like right whence

19:38

is open, that's incredible. Yeah,

19:40

God is good. Do

19:42

you do you? Are you a guy person? I

19:46

so I am. I don't

19:48

say God. Well, sometimes I

19:50

say God. I'm not really bothered by it at

19:52

this point. I've done such

19:55

like an exploration of

19:57

different things and faith my

20:00

higher life, and I would say, now

20:03

you know, I'm I'm very big into meditation

20:05

and stuff. God for me I usually

20:08

say like spirit and

20:10

I hate I also hate saying

20:12

the word universe. All the words

20:14

are bad. I understand all of the words

20:16

that they've all been poisoned. Yes, But

20:19

I for me personally, I think

20:21

of God as like mysterious

20:25

divine loving intelligence. Oh

20:27

that's beautiful. That's really good,

20:30

serious divine love and intelligence.

20:32

It's not like a person is

20:35

what you know? It's

20:37

Yes, it's a force exactly like

20:40

that, uh, you know makes

20:43

the butterflies fly. Um,

20:46

I think it's an intelligent force too. Though. I

20:48

think that's like and I'm I'm a nast,

20:52

I think, um,

20:54

because I don't know what the hell is going on. But

20:57

I do think that whatever is going on is intelligent.

21:00

Yeah, yeah, so I

21:02

I do think there is some bizarre

21:06

order to everything. Um.

21:09

But yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I

21:11

don't have the answers. I know that like,

21:13

the more connected I am to like whatever

21:16

that energy is, like, the better I feel,

21:18

and the more grounded I

21:20

am as well. I also think it has

21:22

a lot to do. This is getting

21:25

really out there. Let's

21:27

go, let's go, let's go to Saturn,

21:29

Let's get the crystals. I

21:32

think that there's like a higher

21:34

version of ourselves, like our soul,

21:37

like the highest energy

21:40

form of ourselves, vibration

21:43

guiding us, that's guiding us

21:46

um in like a multiple

21:49

timeline type of situation. That's

21:52

interesting. So I don't

21:54

experience guidance,

21:58

But it's not that I don't. I would

22:00

love it if there were guidance, And

22:02

it could be just that I don't know where to look for guidance,

22:05

you know. I I experienced

22:08

guidance as intuition. I

22:11

see my my um.

22:13

So I put intuition in the feelings category

22:16

for myself and my feelings are all

22:18

messed up and twisted, and I'm still untangling

22:20

all of that. So whenever I feel a feeling

22:23

like the source could be intuition, the source

22:25

could also be trauma. The source could be a weird

22:28

thought distortion, you know what I'm

22:30

saying, Like there's so many options

22:32

on that menu that that I get confused

22:34

and so um, I haven't been able to experience

22:37

anything. Is something I would call guidance,

22:40

right, yeah, I mean I

22:43

you know, as I do like all this nervous

22:45

system healing and like meditation

22:48

and get quieter and quieter within

22:50

myself. Like the more I feel,

22:53

I'm like, oh I get an idea. I'm like,

22:55

oh, I have a feeling I should do this or something.

22:58

Um. But also I know for me,

23:00

like going in nature like returns

23:03

reveals to us our true nature.

23:05

So like nature is

23:07

really a big thing to me that I feel like I'm missing

23:09

a lot sort of living in l A

23:11

and just like my schedule and everything.

23:15

But um,

23:17

yeah, I don't know. I like the mystery

23:19

of it. I like pursuing the mystery

23:21

of all of it. Nice I

23:24

am. I am infinitely fascinated

23:26

by all things um

23:29

metaphysical supernatural.

23:32

Uh, because the

23:34

the curiosity, I mean

23:36

that's always been a guiding force for me is curiosity,

23:38

and I'm infinitely curious about all

23:40

of that stuff. Read all sorts of books, have

23:43

been through all sorts of wisdom traditions

23:45

myself. But yeah, yeah, ultimately,

23:48

where I've just landed at is therapy.

23:51

Well, no, I think therapy is because

23:53

like, connection to the self is connection

23:55

to source, you know, So

23:57

the more you are connected to yourself, the

24:00

more sort of the divine

24:02

path I believe, in my

24:04

opinion that you're leading, the more

24:06

authentic, like the more you are connected

24:09

to what you're like souls path is, whether

24:11

that's you know, creative music or you

24:13

know, whatever that is. I think that's

24:15

like powerful. I

24:18

feel you and I and I agree.

24:31

Oh my god, I really didn't anticipate

24:33

this incredible theoretical conversation

24:35

at the top of our wild

24:38

podcast, But maybe you know, it

24:40

is exactly what our listeners were just

24:42

absolutely craving on their

24:44

jobs.

24:47

They've got a healthy helping of it. Let's let's

24:49

hope hope they liked the taste.

24:51

No, they will. They know I'm cuckoo.

24:54

Um, they know I'm cuckoo. Kuchu. They would

24:56

expect nothing less and that I contained

24:58

more students and go many different directions.

25:01

It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, it's

25:03

good. It's good when people know that about you. That's

25:06

good. Oh yeah, I know. I I let

25:08

it all. I'll let them all

25:10

into all facets of myself.

25:13

Um. And now they know you a little

25:15

bit better too, and I know you a

25:17

little bit better too. And

25:20

as you know, we have my guests onto

25:22

this show to read a letter

25:26

to a celebrity that they

25:28

love growing up in

25:30

tradition of my one

25:33

faithful love to Owen Wilson.

25:36

Um and without further

25:38

ado, would you please tell

25:41

us your letter your

25:44

peace on your

25:46

celebrity. Well, okay,

25:49

UM, So I have to set this up

25:51

with with with an experience. There was a celebrity

25:53

that had the hugest hugest hugest crushed

25:56

on growing up, and always had it in the

25:58

back of my mind that

26:00

I was gonna get famous enough to try to talk

26:02

to this person. That was always one of my life goals.

26:05

Now since since then that goes

26:07

out the window, not because of any potential

26:09

ceiling to my fame, but because this

26:12

person's life has become a full on ship show.

26:14

I no longer want any part of it. Um.

26:17

But this one day, ten

26:20

years ago, maybe eleven, I

26:22

was in a grocery store and

26:26

I was checking out of the line and

26:29

I saw that person on the front

26:31

of a magazine and

26:33

while I was waiting to check out my grocery.

26:36

So, I mean, gosh, I think this was

26:38

even before self checkouts were a thing.

26:40

Like there wasn't even another option. You just

26:42

had to wait in the line. Um. And

26:45

I ended up writing an

26:48

entire song about

26:51

that experience, And the last two verses

26:53

of the song are a

26:55

letter to that person.

26:59

You want who it is? Do you

27:01

want me to say who it is? Yea, yeah,

27:05

yeah

27:05

it is. It is one

27:08

Jada Pinkett Smith, one

27:13

of the greatest beauties of our time. Dynamic

27:16

woman, my goodness, just with eyes

27:18

that will pierce right through you. Yeah,

27:20

that's absolutely true. I'm

27:23

so um, Trisha,

27:25

if you wouldn't mind playing it, I'm

27:28

so excited to hear this. Oh my god.

27:32

Yeah, two thousand and ten or eleven went

27:34

like somewhere in there. I know. The key

27:36

point is that I didn't have any fans

27:38

then, so I would write anything. Hell

27:41

yeah, this is so great. Okay,

27:44

here we go, and

28:00

this is just a demo, so it's

28:03

all over the place. Song

28:06

never came out cheese and then I'll

28:08

ever be my number

28:10

one celebrity crush lives

28:13

on the magazine trying to sell

28:15

me something I would never ever want because

28:18

I don't have a Uni Brown and

28:21

I've never had a day of being past the

28:23

homies. Getting Mary soon, but

28:26

I don't have to find the perfect dress.

28:28

Yesterday I was a scorpio, but

28:32

now my helicopters on the home, so

28:34

I don't need an overscope. There's

28:37

nothing really change as but to you, I'd

28:40

like to have the cover, though maybe

28:43

I should tear it from the book. I

28:45

wonder if security would look at

28:48

tackle me like any common on these batteries,

28:50

chew these three toes and Mexican

28:53

and youth PC co Rethmence

28:55

recipes DVD's on some trying

28:58

one by one and one for They

29:00

used to sell DVDs at the grocery

29:02

store. This is a long time agn that QUBC

29:05

co Rethmence recipes and DVDs

29:08

ons to try one cringe moment

29:10

coming up. I

29:12

heard she was a lesbian at

29:15

the very least a little by one

29:17

of my doory trip. Though. I'm

29:20

pretty sure that I'm your kind of guy, wou

29:23

and tive and sensitives. But

29:26

I don't even really have to try.

29:28

Whenever Popular Rising tries to spy, I

29:31

let you know if the booking and by these

29:33

batteries to these free toes and

29:35

bank stand that up z co rethmence

29:38

recipe d v d's on some try

29:41

one by one did one free? I said,

29:43

by these batteries to these free

29:45

toes and back skin the one more

29:47

verse left code than our national nightmare will

29:50

be oh e v D s OsO try one

29:52

by one, the one freaking d E.

29:55

I'm a goddamn sentlemen. You

29:58

know what, if we ever got to talk,

30:00

I profer you with tripping up electrified

30:04

it right, my honest thoughts. If

30:06

I even got a word out, that

30:09

would be that that would be had worked, and

30:11

let you know that I would never be a jerk because

30:14

my social chemity had been worst. That's

30:19

it. It

30:21

just does that for a while after that, Oh

30:24

yeah, oh my god, that wasn't

30:26

me. That was a Wilson exclusive,

30:30

dear Wilson exclusive. We

30:35

never had someone play

30:38

a song to their celebrity

30:40

That was so exciting. Oh my god,

30:43

I love that. Doubly exclusive

30:45

because only me

30:48

and the producer had ever even heard

30:50

that song, like, it never made

30:53

it out of the demo stage. So

30:55

this is the world premiere. Oh

30:58

my god, that was just so

31:01

fun and I I did have a laugh

31:03

or two. You know, you were really

31:05

making you were really making

31:08

your case. You know you

31:12

should be with me. I know you might be a

31:14

lesbian. I know you might be by but

31:16

I'm your guy. Uh yeah,

31:19

if only you knew, you know, if

31:23

only you weren't so stinking rich. Um.

31:28

Okay, well let's get into our

31:31

hard hitting interviews. Thank you so

31:33

much for sharing. Yeah, hard hitting.

31:35

That's how we classify our interviews

31:38

around here. Um, they're shrewd

31:40

is the word that I describe. Um.

31:43

And you know, if any question feels

31:47

sort of all for bizarre, just know

31:50

that Lucien Wiggles wrote it and

31:52

not me. Um, I'll find you

31:54

Lucian. Yeah, you know, have you heard

31:56

about Lucien Wiggles. I've read

31:58

a thing or two about Lucian. Yeah, he's

32:00

Um, he's pretty big now, Um,

32:03

people, he's a polarizing figure.

32:06

And so I didn't meet

32:08

him in the current River while I was fishing for

32:10

crawdads. And it's

32:12

sort of an odd relationship. Um,

32:15

buddy cop relationship I have with him,

32:18

Like I love him, but he doesn't really

32:20

care for me that much yet still I

32:22

employ him. Um, okay,

32:25

well here we go, Mike, let's get into it.

32:27

According to Lucian Wiggles, Jada is

32:29

the host of the Facebook watch show Red

32:31

Table Talk, for which

32:34

he has received a Daytime Emmy

32:36

Award. Mike, please

32:38

tell us have you ever been to the Red Table?

32:40

I've never been to any red table

32:43

anywhere? Really, And why

32:46

do you think that is that you have not been

32:48

to the Red Table? Uh? Well,

32:50

I haven't been to that red table because

32:52

I haven't been invited because

32:55

I'm not famous enough

32:58

or have I been associated with

33:00

anything salacious enough to garner

33:02

me a seat at that table. Okay,

33:06

and so you have not

33:08

been to the Red Table. But if you were to

33:11

go to the red table,

33:14

what would it be for? Um?

33:16

Hopefully it would be or

33:20

Jada Pinkett seeing my face

33:22

somewhere and deciding that I

33:24

needed to be her next entanglement, and

33:27

and and her wanting to go about it a weird

33:29

way. So rather than just like sliding

33:31

in my d M s or something. Um, she

33:34

would invite me to the show, and maybe

33:36

she would pretend that it's about like something

33:38

on my album, you know, maybe she would she

33:40

would gas me up and make me feel like it

33:43

was something to do with my music, and

33:46

then um, and then

33:48

she would just flirt with me at

33:50

the interview, because clearly she has not listened to the

33:52

album. Hold on

33:54

No what if by

33:58

divine loving intelligence,

34:02

she heard your

34:04

this song on this podcast and

34:08

then she said, I heard

34:10

you on Deiro and Wilson that hits your dearro

34:12

and Wilson. You know, a friend passed

34:14

it to me and I heard

34:17

what you wrote in two thousand and ten when

34:19

you were so inspired by my face at the supermarket,

34:22

and I just have to have you

34:24

at the right table. I mean,

34:26

I'd be great. I mean, I'd be very

34:29

excited for that. It just seems

34:32

so highly unlikely that I'm

34:34

not sure my body would be ready, you

34:36

know, like my brain right up

34:38

and explode, and I would probably like bang

34:41

my head against the wall five to seven times

34:44

and just keep looking at this email to

34:46

see, uh if it's real. And

34:48

then it would be one of those things where like the

34:52

day I'm on my way there. Um,

34:55

I would keep expecting to get a

34:57

phone call saying that this whole

35:00

thing it's been a prank, and

35:02

and and and and I should have known

35:05

nobody really wants me at the Red table.

35:07

You should have known that, Michael. That's that

35:09

would be the phone call that I'd be expecting to receive

35:12

on the way to the studio. Do

35:14

you? Um? Do you Mike?

35:18

And may I call you Mike? Is that how

35:20

I must address you? You can? You can? You

35:22

can call me Mike, Michael open Mike

35:24

whatever you can. You can you can call me Eagle

35:26

if you like whatever. Okay, I like

35:29

to be clear. And

35:33

isn't it funny how we

35:35

will work our whole life for something,

35:39

years and years and years and years,

35:42

like thousands of years. You'll devote

35:44

our whole waking life on earth to

35:46

something and then we finally like get

35:49

an opportunity that is clearly

35:52

deserved and we're like, oh, man, who the fuck am I

35:54

to do this? No? Honestly,

35:57

uh? And And I've I've experienced

35:59

at a bunch of times because I

36:02

have reached for things that

36:06

um, like independent

36:09

rappers don't necessarily reach for.

36:12

So when that ship actually works.

36:14

Like my imposter syndrome is like flashing

36:19

flashing for those that without visual

36:21

aids, I'm doing flashing signs. Yeah,

36:24

I mean, I know he has gone completely

36:26

off the rails, and it's like saying a lot of damaging

36:29

shit, but like in some

36:31

ways like yeah,

36:34

and saying hateful ship, but on

36:36

the on the one specific way,

36:39

like the way that Kanye is always like, you

36:42

know, whatever you want, the universal

36:44

support you. And I'm like, I wish

36:46

I believed and I know that's

36:48

true, but I don't know if my cells

36:51

always believe it, like deep feel

36:53

it. That is exactly what I mean, Like my

36:56

my brain can believe it, but the nerves

36:58

in my stomach might not be. Yeah. Yeah,

37:02

yeah. Just those people where

37:04

like they just are so strongly

37:07

convicted that they're supported

37:10

and every single thing that they want

37:13

and they can literally do any

37:15

idea that they have and that it

37:17

will work. Like Trump is like that too. Well

37:20

yeah, but he's he's he's not afraid

37:23

to lie, you know, like he's not afraid

37:25

to just invent reality with words, you

37:28

know. And I think if if you're if

37:30

you have committed to the idea, that

37:32

you will say anything then

37:34

you can probably have a lot of ship, you

37:37

know, you can probably before

37:40

Yeah, yeah, that's his whole thing. And that's

37:42

that's the like, you know, not to get too political,

37:44

but that's that's what's gotten

37:47

his political party all fucked up now, is that they

37:49

all think they can just do that. They could just say anything,

37:52

yeah, you know, and a lot of people

37:54

who are in that party will just believe

37:56

what people say and then that's it. You

37:59

know, it's kind of weird. Yeah,

38:02

I just think, like, you know, it's

38:05

that would be a really like that's

38:07

belief that everything

38:10

will be supported, Like if you really

38:12

really truly believe that, like would

38:14

be so helpful. Yeah, like

38:18

attract Like there is also

38:21

a subconscious attachment to struggle,

38:23

which I think is just part of being a human.

38:27

Well look, let's also not

38:29

pretend like you don't

38:31

try really hard to get stuff and it doesn't work sometimes

38:34

too totally. And

38:36

so when when people

38:38

say that stuff, it's like where do these

38:41

nose figure in? Like how like like

38:44

they're not telling when they say that, they're not telling

38:46

me how they deal with rejection, because

38:49

rejection is part of it, you know, And

38:52

I guess that's probably the skill that they have they

38:55

not taking in the rejection

38:57

and not losing faith in themselves. Yeah,

39:02

and I and I guess I don't

39:04

necessarily ever lose faith

39:07

in myself. Um, I

39:09

think it it more reflects on

39:11

what we were saying earlier. It's like, so,

39:15

look, I

39:18

often think extremely highly of myself,

39:22

but that's not always the reflection I get

39:24

back from the world. And

39:27

It's like, if I felt

39:29

like the world uh saw

39:32

the genius or whatever

39:35

um that I think that I

39:37

have at times, then I'd be confident

39:40

and feel like I could do all the stuff

39:42

too. But I don't often

39:45

get that feedback from you know, like

39:47

I get it from some segments, I don't get

39:49

it from other segments. Some people just don't

39:51

like what I do at all, you know what I'm

39:53

saying, and like their being ins valid too,

39:55

And I'm certainly not gonna ask them for anything. But

39:59

I think any one with a specific point of

40:01

view in the world, people

40:03

aren't gonna like you. I think actually fifty percent

40:05

of people won't like you anyway. Yeah,

40:09

like which I had the therapist show

40:11

me that once. But um, oh my

40:14

god, Okay, do

40:16

you like Will Smith? What do you think about Will Smith?

40:18

I have complicated feelings about Will Smith.

40:21

Um I okay.

40:24

Oh, so my current

40:27

feeling about Will Smith?

40:30

Um okay. So look the

40:33

slap thing right, I

40:38

watched a lot of professional wrestling

40:41

a lot, so I think

40:43

that whole thing was work. I think

40:46

that whole thing was work. So

40:48

much about it screams uh

40:51

staged to me or like or

40:54

or mostly staged and a little

40:56

improvised. Um and

41:00

oh, I don't like

41:02

when people

41:05

do stuff like that. I don't like it. It

41:08

bothers me. Um when people

41:12

do that sort of publicity

41:15

stunt in my in my you

41:18

think he knew about the joke beforehand?

41:22

I do.

41:25

I think he knew about the joke beforehand. I

41:28

think he maybe knew about the joke beforehand. Wow.

41:31

What the

41:34

things that I can't get out of my head? And stuff like this? Okay,

41:38

Will Smith slapped it out of Chris Rock. Chris

41:42

Rock did not do anything, and there was

41:44

nothing stopping Chris Rock from doing anything.

41:48

And I would say, like there was, like

41:52

to me, if you're gonna sell it right, even

41:55

like ten minutes later. There needs

41:57

to be stories that people were trying to hold Chris Rock

42:00

at backstage for running out there and doing

42:02

something like if that part doesn't make

42:04

any sense to me, like that

42:07

part to me scream some sort of cooperation.

42:12

M M. I don't know. I'm not

42:14

sure if I don't, I don't think. I

42:17

think Chris Rock was

42:20

very smart not to do

42:22

anything, because it

42:25

would have just looked bad to get

42:27

in a scrap at the Oscars,

42:30

like a black tie like event.

42:33

I personally don't think being

42:35

slapped and not doing anything at the

42:37

Oscars looks any better than getting

42:40

into a scuffle at the Oscars because

42:42

you got slapped. I don't think it looks any better.

42:45

I think it looked like he had restraint.

42:48

Oh, I just I don't know where you get that

42:51

restraint from. I don't know where that comes from.

42:53

I feel I also, and I

42:55

will out myself right now as

42:57

a life long I was like in of

43:00

with Will Smith growing up. I

43:02

still love him. I also love

43:04

Chris Rock. Um so

43:07

you know, really a Sophie's

43:09

choice for me, um, but

43:12

um, I I

43:15

think it was the worst. I

43:18

think it was a momentary

43:20

action that you will regret till the day

43:22

he dies. Like that he

43:25

just lost his school and

43:27

then like how ironic and

43:30

bizarre, like actually

43:32

the biggest moment of his life

43:34

to win an oscar and

43:37

he does that right before,

43:40

Like I just can't even

43:42

I'm at like I feel sorry

43:45

for him. I know he did a bad thing, and I think

43:47

he feels like he did a bad thing. It's like,

43:49

I don't know, I felt sorry for him. You

43:52

know. Look, I'm a I'm

43:55

a I'm a lifelong fan of

43:57

Chris Rock in so many

43:59

mediums. I am a

44:01

rapper that does comedy and TV stuff

44:04

sometimes, so I have to look up to will Smith. He

44:06

blazed the trail for a lot of this. I

44:08

don't know all his work, but I do think he's an amazing

44:11

actor. Um, and I

44:13

as a big Willie

44:15

style man. Man

44:18

lost my blind to that album

44:20

when I was a kid. I am, I am,

44:23

I am low key upset. You just reminded

44:25

me, Oh

44:29

my goodness, his musical career took

44:31

a hard left and I was off that train.

44:34

Um quickly you told like men

44:37

in black ears,

44:40

I'm I'm you know, I

44:42

come from the dirty underground side

44:44

of hip hop. Where Um, when

44:46

when you do you know? When you when you did rap songs

44:49

when people were doing triangle dance formations

44:51

behind you like that that wasn't for me.

44:54

That was that was for somebody else. His

44:57

mom told him not to curse, so he didn't

44:59

curse on the album. That's real. I

45:01

get that. That's tight. I like

45:03

that sort of restraint. My parents tell me not

45:05

to curse all the time. Hasn't worked yet. My

45:08

grandma emails me saying that, um,

45:10

Jerry Seinfeld is the only funny comedian

45:12

left because he doesn't curse. That's

45:15

a really main thing to say to you. I feel like that's

45:17

like especially acutely mean

45:20

to you. Really, I don't think, Well,

45:23

I think it's just people are older and they love

45:25

giving their opinion. I get

45:27

it, but it's it's it is impossible

45:29

not to put you in a category of comedian. And and

45:32

why would she call you like? Why?

45:34

Why why would she lump you in with that? Um?

45:37

Because I don't think people that don't regularly

45:40

consume comedy, especially

45:42

if they're from older generations, they have a

45:44

specific idea of what they liked and what

45:47

they're comfortable with. And I

45:49

don't think, you know, I like

45:52

a generation and like, I

45:55

wouldn't even classify myself as like

45:57

a dirty comic, even though I have one

46:00

in a while. I have a dirty joke or something that feels

46:02

true to me. But uh yeah,

46:04

like I don't know if they're comfortable like with a

46:06

woman like saying stuff like that, you know what I

46:08

mean? Oh, I get you. I get

46:11

you. And I guess like if

46:13

if if your grandmother is saying

46:16

that, uh, she doesn't

46:18

like dirty comedy, I

46:20

guess that makes sense. It just seems like cursing

46:23

or not cursing. It is a weird line by

46:25

which to divide the entirety of comedy.

46:28

Yeah, isn't it weird? Like I

46:31

mean, I'm not a parent yet, God willing I

46:33

will be one, But I think this thing's

46:35

changed probably Like are you're

46:37

a parent, aren't you? Yeah? I have a thirteen

46:40

year old son. Okay, yeah, but

46:42

you're in the art, so you probably have a different

46:45

opinion in a method of raising

46:47

your kid. But I think, like I

46:49

could, I I kind of understand it in a way,

46:52

like I would never want to limit like my

46:54

child's like artistic direction

46:57

or anything like that. But I could see as a aaron

47:00

where you wouldn't want your child to go around

47:02

like throwing f bombs and all that. You know,

47:04

You're just like, oh, I wish they weren't. You know, yeah,

47:07

no, I I totally I totally get that. But

47:10

you know, like

47:12

my son, he's allowed

47:14

to listen to rap music that says anything,

47:17

um, and I'll have a discussion

47:19

with him about how I feel about what that person is saying

47:22

and and try to like make sure he

47:24

understands that, like, hey, that

47:27

entire verse was hell of misogynistic, you

47:29

know, Like I like to have that

47:32

dialogue with him. Um. And

47:35

you know, he doesn't curse around me, but

47:37

I know he curses when he's with his friends a

47:39

loan and um. Once

47:42

he turns eighteen, I

47:44

figured you can say whatever the hell he wants.

47:47

I figure he'll have enough sense to know when and

47:49

when not to, you know, and not

47:51

to curse around his Grandpa's that.

47:55

But but if he wants to make music that has cursing

47:58

in it, I mean I certainly couldn't. I

48:02

for one, would be quite the hypocrite. So,

48:06

you know, not to throw around any sort

48:08

of bomb that wasn't a slur, you know, I

48:11

know, isn't that weird? Like I've had multi

48:13

I'm not even a mother yet and I'm probably

48:16

not like super close

48:18

either, but I do one

48:21

once in a while, break into a cold sweat

48:23

thinking about things I've said on

48:25

podcasts over the years that my children would

48:28

possibly like listen to or you

48:30

know, um Blair

48:33

or Blair. I'm having a

48:35

bone chilling moment in in in

48:38

life right now, like this era of life,

48:40

because my son is getting to the

48:42

age where I'm going to have to admit

48:45

to him that I smoke weed. And

48:47

the reason why is because there's

48:50

hell of videos on YouTube with me smoking

48:53

weeds. Going

48:55

to see one, I

48:57

know, I know, it's so odd, reckon stiling

49:01

who you actually are with like what

49:04

how you want a parent and like what you hope

49:06

to pass on and instill into your kid.

49:09

It's very odd. The whole thing

49:12

is odd. It is it is being

49:14

alive for yourself and being alive for a person

49:16

to whom you are a role model. Is a

49:19

very complicated position to be in because

49:21

you have your values and like you said, you have

49:23

like your higher vibrational values that that's

49:25

those are the ones you want to pass on. But

49:28

those aren't always practical. Yes,

49:33

I know, Oh my god, Okay.

49:45

According to Lucian Wiggles, Jada

49:48

was named after her mother's favorite so backtist

49:50

Jada Rowland, Mike, who are you named

49:53

after? I'm named after my father.

49:56

Okay, the same name as

49:58

me. Your father. Other name is Open

50:00

Mike Eagle. Yea, yes, yes

50:03

it is. I am Open Mike Eagle

50:05

Jr. Is my stage name. Technically,

50:07

Hey Open Mike Eagle Jr. Oh

50:09

my god, this is another deal in Wilson Exclusive.

50:12

Wilson

50:15

Exclusive. Yeah,

50:18

we get into the bottom of a lot here.

50:20

This is good, okay um.

50:23

According to Lucian, Jada and attended

50:25

the Baltimore School for the Arts where

50:27

she met classmate Tupac Shakur. Where

50:30

were you, Mike when you met Tupac? Um?

50:33

I was at

50:35

the airport buying a Vibe magazine

50:38

that he was on the cover on and I took

50:40

it on the airplane and I got to know him by reading

50:42

the article. Is

50:44

that true? That's how you be? That's how you discovered

50:47

who he was? Well, no, that's how

50:49

I decided to stop uh oh,

50:53

that's how I decided to stop hating

50:57

on him. Something like that. He

50:59

was in the middle of culture war in

51:01

in hip hop um and not

51:03

even just the East West thing, just like the underground

51:06

mainstream thing, when that whole thing was starting. Uh

51:09

yeah, yeah he was. He was pretty

51:12

much the face of it UM for for

51:14

a while because he was so he

51:17

had been kind of underground, kind

51:19

of like I wouldn't say artsy,

51:22

but he came up with like digital underground, you

51:24

know, like they were weirdos um.

51:27

And then he became like a super

51:29

gangster and um,

51:32

everybody didn't like that, and UM,

51:36

I was part of that population that was sort

51:38

of like anti gangster at that time.

51:40

And I do remember buying

51:43

that Vibe magazine and it was like the famous death

51:45

Row cover where it's like him Dre

51:48

Snoop and I think, Shug maybe

51:50

they're all like black turtlenecks with like old

51:53

chains on. It's very like iconic cover, UM.

51:57

And I remember reading it and I think that was the beginning

51:59

of me some measura maturity about all of this,

52:02

and not just in straight

52:04

black and white. You know. Yeah. It is

52:06

crazy how some people though

52:09

like are just such a force.

52:11

Like it's it's just like the

52:14

way that he's impacted the

52:16

way that he impacted culture and music

52:19

and everything. When he

52:23

died at just

52:26

he had not even like

52:29

I hadn't even seen a comedy show when I was

52:32

Um, and I just think of like all

52:35

that he got done, like in

52:37

such a short life is

52:40

just wild. Like everyone knows

52:42

who he is and about

52:45

him, Like I don't even

52:47

know that much about hip

52:50

hop, and like I'm like a white

52:53

girl from Orange County and like i I'm

52:55

just like, oh, Tupac, Like what a force. You

52:58

know? Absolutely, I mean, his

53:01

his impact is immeasurable,

53:04

and it doesn't make any sense for him

53:06

to have lived, like for him

53:08

to fit all that impact into his life,

53:11

like like making all those albums,

53:15

like he'd spent considerable amount of time in

53:17

jail, you know, getting

53:20

shot, Like like it's it where

53:23

you know, it's it really is. It's it's

53:25

it's incredible. It's incredible

53:28

how much impact he had on the

53:31

world in such a short time. Yeah,

53:34

and like the point of view from

53:36

that, to have that type of point of view

53:38

when you're very young is

53:41

really really wild. I

53:44

Yeah. And like some of his so I mean the

53:46

talent and like the charisma, Oh my god,

53:49

and like also some of those songs, they

53:51

just have so much beauty in

53:54

them. Yeah, it's

53:57

crazy. Charisma is the

53:59

ex actor and most things I feel

54:01

like charisma is like

54:04

that hidden that hidden hand,

54:06

like that unquantifiable thing, but it

54:09

matters so much in

54:12

culture, especially

54:14

entertainment and like everything

54:17

now in this age, like when we were talking about

54:19

like um digital age.

54:22

But it's so odd because and

54:24

I would like to separate from this because I

54:27

don't think it's always true, but a

54:29

lot of times the most charismatic

54:32

people in the world, I feel like, have had

54:35

a lot of pain in their lives. Um,

54:38

not always, but it

54:41

it builds something in your soul.

54:44

I think there's

54:47

this and this is going along what you're

54:50

saying. I've

54:52

heard people talk about, especially

54:56

people who want to be like stars, like

55:00

that there's like the central void that

55:03

they're trying to feel with like

55:05

the attention of people. And

55:07

I wonder if that's related to what you're

55:10

what you're pointing at. Maybe

55:13

I'm this, Well, every there's

55:15

like a very human desire present in

55:18

every single person alive that inhabits this

55:20

earth to feel seen

55:24

and heard in a deep way. And

55:26

I think that's a lot of nature of

55:29

art in itself, like this need for

55:32

expression, you know, and

55:34

to like share that with others

55:37

and to find like common ground, you know. And

55:40

I was talking to somebody yesterday about how

55:43

you got to be a little

55:45

crazy to really pursue

55:49

the arts, like, because

55:51

there's got to be something in you that

55:55

pushes you past like

55:58

all the logical points to

56:00

say, hey you should stop now, there's

56:03

there's there's got to be like something

56:06

in there and you know, um like,

56:08

and I just wonder in myself, like I

56:12

I keep trying. I feel like I'm never gonna

56:14

stop trying. And I wonder

56:16

like, is my need to

56:19

feel seen? Is that? Is

56:21

that based on trauma? Is

56:23

that based on pain? Like? Is that is

56:26

that? Um? Is

56:28

that a wound to be addressed?

56:31

You know? Yeah? I mean,

56:34

but you know, yeah,

56:36

I think that's part of it with everyone because

56:39

it's just like a deeply human thing.

56:42

Like sure, I'm sure there is it

56:44

does stand a little bit.

56:46

I'm sure from a wound, you know, but

56:49

like I also don't think. I mean, in

56:51

some people you can clearly

56:53

see I guess that is like a pathology

56:55

or whatever, but I don't

56:58

know. I think also

57:00

that we come into this life with like a soul

57:02

contract a little bit also of

57:05

like what we came here to do and experience,

57:07

you know, right, And I don't I don't

57:09

know what mine looks like. I guess that's why

57:11

I have so many questions. I do

57:13

too, and I think I'm laughing

57:16

at how deep this podcast is because you're

57:18

just like silly as hell, But I also

57:20

think this is equally as valuable. Um.

57:23

I have been feeling like fatigued, like

57:26

and that's and you know, that is part

57:28

of the seasons, that the

57:31

cycles of pursuing this type

57:33

of creative life, because sometimes,

57:36

like I think all of us, it's like, am I always

57:39

am I ever gonna have my chance?

57:41

Am I ever going to feel stable? Am I ever

57:44

going to feel you know, all this stuff? But

57:46

then you have I always think,

57:48

oh, there's plenty of people that would look at my career

57:51

and be like, oh, I would be thrilled to

57:53

have that, you know, right. No, I

57:56

faced that dichotomy

57:59

all the time time because I

58:01

have moments of deep longing and I

58:03

have moments of like very

58:06

intentional gratitude, you

58:08

know, m because I

58:11

look back at the things that I've done and it's

58:13

like I've done things that I literally

58:16

dreamed of doing. Yes, yeah,

58:18

I know that, and that's amazing it

58:20

is. And but there's also like I

58:22

still have this thing where like I

58:27

want everybody

58:29

to know I'm the best, you

58:31

know, like like I want I

58:34

want to be like

58:36

I want I want to be part of musical

58:38

conversations that make zero sense for me to be part

58:41

of. But that desire is still

58:43

there. It's still very real for me. It's

58:45

still very um motivational

58:49

for me, and so muses

58:51

you to keep going and pushing yourself

58:53

creatively and like growing as an artist,

58:56

you know, just so one day Jada will

58:58

invite me on to the red tape. Um.

59:03

Yes, okay, Well, Mike,

59:06

how do you how would you say the

59:08

nutty professor relates to current culture?

59:12

Um? I think the

59:17

nutty professor ship?

59:20

How does it relate to current in

59:22

theaters? I remember I

59:25

was. I was an extra

59:27

and a nutty professor too. Oh

59:31

my god, this is the third Dear On Wilson Exclusive.

59:34

Dear Wilson Exclusive. Oh

59:38

my god, we haven't had so many of this episode

59:40

is crazy. I was a child

59:43

or young teenager or something,

59:45

and my dad used to do extra work sometimes

59:47

because he knew folks and casted

59:50

extras, and me

59:52

and him were both a nutty professor to like in the

59:54

background, like I think they were taping at U

59:56

C l A. And he just had students and people

59:59

walking back that

1:00:01

deep in the set. My dad got in trouble because

1:00:03

he was talking to Janet Jackson on the set and he wasn't

1:00:06

supposed to. It was hilarious. Oh my god,

1:00:09

what an incredible story. Yes,

1:00:15

I love it. I

1:00:18

come, I Come the open mic Eagle

1:00:20

Senior. He's an ambitious one. Yes,

1:00:23

wow, that's so great. What

1:00:27

was that? Oh my gosh. Yeah, Eddie Murphy

1:00:30

was so funny in that movie. I haven't

1:00:32

seen it since I saw it, I think in theater.

1:00:35

But and then I just remember seeing Jada

1:00:37

and I was

1:00:41

transfixed. I was like, that

1:00:43

is the single most beautiful person

1:00:45

I have ever seen in

1:00:48

my life. She's absolutely stunning.

1:00:50

Yeah, absolutely stunning. I think, Um,

1:00:54

there's a movie called It's a Low Down, Dirty Shame.

1:00:56

I think it's keenan Ivory Wayans movie. Um

1:00:59

that Yeah, Lucian told me about that. That

1:01:02

world. Yeah. Uh, that's the one

1:01:04

that did it for me. Like it did it like there

1:01:07

was because she was kind of like spunky

1:01:09

in that one, and like, I

1:01:12

don't know, it just it just did it for me

1:01:14

as as like as as a kid. I was

1:01:16

like I I

1:01:19

need her, Yes,

1:01:22

you know, what's so crazy too, is like Jada

1:01:25

has lived a life like

1:01:28

um. According to Lucian's report,

1:01:30

like she was when she met Tupac in

1:01:32

high school at that school for the Arts, which,

1:01:35

by the way, like I had no idea either

1:01:37

of them met in arts school. It's weird.

1:01:40

Um. But she was a drug dealer when

1:01:42

she met him that I wasn't aware

1:01:44

of. Yeah, she was dealing, and she was

1:01:46

a street pharmacist. Yes, she

1:01:49

had every job. Yeah, she had that every

1:01:52

job sort of like a comedian. It's

1:01:54

nuts. She's a rock musician, yeah,

1:01:57

and then she's had she's had a long,

1:02:00

long, like thirty year music career

1:02:02

outside of all these movies like that

1:02:04

Matrix series and now you

1:02:07

know, she's got this table talk and

1:02:09

just also like you know,

1:02:12

it seems to have gotten quite messy in the

1:02:14

last few years. But but

1:02:18

she also has like a very they have like

1:02:20

a ride or die marriage at the same time,

1:02:23

they're like, we're in this for life together.

1:02:25

I wish, you know what I wish. I

1:02:27

wish that people

1:02:30

in unorthodox

1:02:33

Hollywood marriages. I

1:02:36

wish they would just tell us, like

1:02:39

I wish they would just say, like, oh,

1:02:43

yeah, he fox whoever

1:02:46

he wants, she Fox whoever they

1:02:48

want, and it's fine. Um and

1:02:51

the kids what like there these

1:02:54

people because of our you know, celebrity

1:02:57

worship culture, these

1:02:59

people's lives of them getting dissected when really

1:03:01

we know, we know absolutely

1:03:04

nothing about how these

1:03:06

things actually work. I know,

1:03:08

it's crazy too, and it's almost like

1:03:10

sad. It's like, you know, it's really

1:03:12

none of everyone's business at all. But

1:03:15

that's just the way the sub celebrity worship

1:03:17

culture is with like everything and where

1:03:20

everyone's always just gossip

1:03:22

thing about these people's lives.

1:03:25

I cannot imagine, Like

1:03:27

I was like, oh, Will loves her so much

1:03:29

to go on that Red Table talk show

1:03:32

and be like, yeah, we've both had all these like

1:03:34

sexual relationships. And then you think,

1:03:37

also there's kids involved,

1:03:39

Like can you imagine, Like I

1:03:41

mean they're adults, they're young adults

1:03:43

now, but like that's had to be so

1:03:46

hard. Yeah, And and the reason

1:03:48

the reason why I wish they would tell us it's

1:03:51

not just because like

1:03:53

oh I just need to know. It's

1:03:55

like I think

1:03:57

that you know, mary Is

1:04:00

is a really old institution

1:04:04

and it's got some flaws and

1:04:06

like maybe some people that have

1:04:09

a lot of money have figured out ways to do

1:04:11

things that like address

1:04:15

the flaws, you know, like

1:04:18

maybe they figured out ways to make arrangements

1:04:20

where you can still value a family,

1:04:23

but you agree to not

1:04:26

have to only funk each other forever

1:04:29

and and somehow explain it to the

1:04:31

kids. Like I think a lot of people

1:04:33

would benefit from hearing how

1:04:36

all that ship unfolded. You know.

1:04:38

I used to watch House of Cards and

1:04:42

only I thought that show

1:04:44

was was was so excellent. But one of the

1:04:46

things that I always tripped tripped about

1:04:49

was like they had an open marriage um

1:04:52

and they I think at some point they flashed back

1:04:54

to when they met, but they never showed

1:04:56

the end between Like I'm

1:04:59

so fast it buy that, Like how

1:05:01

does this conversation unfold?

1:05:03

Like you know what I'm saying to where everybody

1:05:06

agrees to do this? What what

1:05:08

does that exchange? Like what are we agreeing

1:05:11

to do? Like what is the shape of it?

1:05:13

You know, I don't know. I think that ship is that ship

1:05:15

is fascinating. Yeah, I don't know. I

1:05:17

don't want an open marriage and I can't

1:05:20

even imagine doing that. So it's

1:05:23

like so beyond my uh

1:05:26

desire or like totally

1:05:28

I totally understand I'm you know, I'm

1:05:30

a I'm a divorcee. So I've I've seen things

1:05:34

that make me want to know if there's a better way, right

1:05:37

right right right? Um? Oh

1:05:40

god, this has just been so illuminating.

1:05:44

Um, so what

1:05:47

would you you would say? Is

1:05:49

your favorite Jada movie? That one you

1:05:51

just said A low down, dirty shame probably

1:05:55

okay? And what what what is your

1:05:58

hope for Jada going forward? Um?

1:06:01

I hope that she experiences peace,

1:06:06

continues to be stinking rich. I

1:06:09

hope that her uh

1:06:12

young alien minded children

1:06:15

achieve all that they want in

1:06:18

life and that they also have peace.

1:06:21

Um, this

1:06:23

is so benevolent and sweet. Well I

1:06:26

kind of want so. Remember

1:06:29

I was saying, I think that her life as a ship show. Now I don't

1:06:31

know it is what it looks like, but it also

1:06:34

sometimes seems like they're going down the Kardashian

1:06:36

route of like, let's profit off

1:06:39

of our uh

1:06:41

public public weird

1:06:43

ship. Uh. And

1:06:45

I hope they don't. I hope that they hope

1:06:47

they aren't doing that, and I hope if they are

1:06:50

doing that, that they stop right

1:06:52

right right. I'm so naive. I I

1:06:54

not to that to those type of things,

1:06:56

like that type of calculation. So

1:06:59

yeah, I don't know. But oh

1:07:01

yeah I watched I watched too much

1:07:03

professional wrestling, and I just see people get worked

1:07:06

all the time. Yeah, maybe

1:07:09

I should watch more and like learn something

1:07:11

about the world. Um although ex

1:07:15

boyfriends who Yeah, I was about to say I could

1:07:18

send you a couple of good YouTube

1:07:20

video essays about it, you know, but that's

1:07:22

that's the that's the best I could do. You know, either

1:07:24

clicks or don't you know? Um,

1:07:27

okay, we like to end with

1:07:30

a second called fan on the street, on

1:07:32

the street, street

1:07:43

anywhere if you have any fun celebrity

1:07:45

running that you're willing to share. Oh,

1:07:48

Chris Rock almost hit me what his car once and I forgot

1:07:50

about that too. Right now, right

1:07:54

this moment, I was, I

1:07:57

was walking to I believe it was

1:07:59

the comedy store, um,

1:08:02

and he was pulling out of the parking lot

1:08:04

somewhat recklessly. Um

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and you know it turn out of the

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store. Yeah, and

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he just kind of like, because this is you know, this is

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this is two thousand five

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or some ship, Like I don't even I'm not

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I'm just the dude, you know.

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Um Yeah, and he just

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like kind of rolls down his window kind of

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gives me a little nod acknowledgment like sorry,

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I almost killed you, and he drives away. Yeah,

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Oh my god, wow crazy?

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What is Yeah? What if you did get

1:08:40

hit like Chris Rock? Oh, then all

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it would all be different. He would have never got slapped.

1:08:44

He would never got slapped if he hit me with his car. What

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kind of car was it? I think it was

1:08:49

the Bend. I remember it was a black car and it looked

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expensive. Mm. That's

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what I would imagine he would drive, even

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though it's none of my goddamn business.

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Oh you're you're you're humanist

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self reminders at the ends

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of scenes are amazing.

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Thank

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you God. This was so fun.

1:09:16

We went deep as hell. I think we went. We actually

1:09:18

got to the core of the Earth and

1:09:20

maybe the center of the universe. But

1:09:23

um, please let all the Blair Bears a deal on

1:09:25

Wilson heads now. Where they can find

1:09:27

you, where they can get to you. I'm

1:09:30

usually on Twitter at mike underscore dot

1:09:32

Eagle have a website Mike Eagle dot

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net that has all of the business

1:09:36

stuff that anybody might want to know. Oh

1:09:39

that's so exciting. You guys, We

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love you. Thanks again for listening and

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we'll see you next week, Babe. Mast

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than still