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It's early two thousand and twenty

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four at a movie premiere in

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London. And like it any movie

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premiere. There are fans shouting and

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photographer taking pictures of actors posing

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on the red carpet. Except at

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this particular movie premiere, there is

0:51

no red carpet. there's just sound

0:53

Because this is the premier of

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Dune to a movie set on

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a desert planet. Covered in

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sand. Imposing on this

1:01

sand is the actress is and

1:03

day I was wearing an outfit

1:06

that the little unusual to she

1:08

showed up in this like amazing

1:10

vintage Terry move lay it looks

1:12

like she's the robot from Metropolis.

1:14

It's just incredible. Every travel mint

1:17

is the host of the podcast

1:19

articles of interest. Well basically it's

1:21

like a sexy robots you I

1:23

mean she looked like see three

1:25

piano but super hot Super her

1:28

and glamorous and silver just just

1:30

incredible. Then day

1:32

I was photographed on the sand

1:35

carpet with all the usual suspects

1:37

or costars, the director and also

1:39

the person who pick out her

1:42

incredible robot suit. She.

1:44

Was. Posing. Next

1:46

to a figure who she is often seen

1:48

posing next year which is her stylist, La

1:50

Roche, who is now famous in his own

1:52

right. Law. Roach has

1:55

one point four million followers

1:57

on Instagram and he appears

1:59

regularly. In the fashion press and even

2:01

that some questions of his own at the

2:03

dune for me I know how. Did you

2:05

run down the world's. Rarest

2:08

of since it's close to be on

2:10

have club in the field and as

2:12

everyone up and I saw this. Law.

2:15

Is a particularly successful example

2:18

of the celebrity stylist a

2:20

stylus for celebrities. Who

2:23

has become a celebrity in their own. right?

2:25

I feel you see them everywhere

2:27

now. I feel like they're designing

2:29

like shoe collection they're hawking products.

2:32

Were writing Christmas wish lists for

2:34

the New York Times. They're just

2:36

celebrity stylus, sir. Are a thing.

2:39

They're everywhere. Robert. Downey Jr.

2:41

even shouted his out his Oscar

2:43

acceptance speech. I'm afraid my stylistic

2:45

is no one else does. Face

2:49

Erica, Thank you very much.

2:52

And at some point they're very

2:54

ubiquity started. To make every curious.

2:56

When I see celebrities posing with

2:59

their stylus proudly. As

3:01

like what is that? Who

3:03

are these stylus And where

3:05

did they come from? What

3:07

is that solve? This

3:17

is decoder ring. I will have

3:19

him like a manager or an

3:21

agent or a publicist. A Silas

3:23

has become a kind of must

3:25

have accessory for well dressed a

3:27

list celebrities is is expected to

3:29

have hired someone to select the

3:31

closer were at all of their

3:33

public appearances for this is not

3:35

always. The case. In today's

3:38

episode, every travel mental guide us through

3:40

the collapse of a certain kind of

3:42

Hollywood glamour into the rise of a

3:44

growing a financially. Rewarding relationship between

3:47

fashion designers and celebrity

3:49

culture. And then onto the

3:51

explosion in Red Carpet event patrolled

3:54

by Sasha. Police that all

3:56

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credit approval. Term. Supply. So.

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A rate, where does the story of

5:06

the stylus begin? So the sorry the

5:08

stylist starts before the stylist was really

5:10

like a twinkle in any ones I

5:13

were talking about like the turn of

5:15

the last century. Through. The

5:17

Nineteen Twenties. Hi Sasson! Meant.

5:20

Paris. Like fancy designer

5:23

clothes all just came from Paris.

5:25

these handmade hand sewn garments that

5:27

most Americans would probably never be

5:30

able to see in person. I

5:32

mean these words gowns buys Coco

5:34

Chanel and Christian Dior. And they

5:37

were absurdly expensive. Their one of

5:39

a kind. And so, in the

5:41

early days of Hollywood when the

5:44

movies were silent, everybody onscreen would

5:46

be wearing these exciting exotic elite

5:49

close. And this is why everyone.

5:51

Went to the movies or touted as extremely

5:53

iconic fashion reporter Terry Again, she founded the

5:56

Fashion Beat The Wall Street Journal. She's a

5:58

hero of mine. And. The me

6:00

that cinema was the main way. That

6:02

Americans got to experience fashion

6:04

you went to see. Fancy

6:07

version, you know, incredible wardrobes,

6:10

And that's when you get to see

6:12

all the new different styles even though

6:14

they didn't necessarily. Know who the designers were. They

6:16

knew that the clothes came from Paris. And

6:18

and as a selling point like check it out we

6:20

have the latest fashions from France. Does. A

6:22

sort of the way it was

6:24

that Hollywood was more or less

6:27

interwoven with the French fashion system

6:29

until. Nineteen. Twenty Nine.

6:31

When. It happened in Paris was they

6:34

had come out with a new look

6:36

of close to him lines were lower

6:38

emin in it was a complete. Different

6:40

Silhouette. All the French fashion designers

6:43

were shifting away from this like

6:45

care free. Slapper Style and it left

6:47

the studios who had already sought footage

6:49

for movies with these like short flapper

6:51

dresses in the lurch in other movies

6:53

are slated to come out and some

6:55

way they look at dated like they

6:57

weren't offering the latest in France. Fasten.

6:59

Anymore And it was like oh

7:01

man. moviegoers were paying twenty five

7:04

cents to be entertained with the

7:06

latest. And. He will not see

7:08

in the raiders. They were saying prose

7:10

that were dated well that movie studios.

7:12

Like oh my god would with on a do. And

7:15

so they just. Figured out okay we

7:17

are no longer use in Paris to

7:19

Choosier in the movies. We are

7:21

now going to. Establish Hollywood

7:24

and not Paris. As.

7:26

Assassin Capital of the world. So.

7:28

Hollywood. Sever. That size of

7:31

Paris perusing to tour was more or less. Band

7:33

you know they were like we. We do

7:35

not abide by the system anymore. We will

7:37

not follow the seasons, will not follow the

7:40

chance because it's not a good investment. You

7:42

know you never know, never know. when we

7:44

were not idea of the way it again yeah the guy you

7:46

what? We're not going to I played again and

7:48

so they all pretty much turn to their

7:50

in house customers who are really talented and

7:52

they're like okay you make the close. And.

7:57

So meaning of the surgeon.

8:00

The costume department in the studio

8:02

start creating this varies like face

8:05

timeless style for their after and

8:07

it's totally worth and you can

8:09

close your eyes and you can

8:12

imagine. It it's like blue T.

8:14

Satin gowns and elegant three

8:16

piece suit and we now

8:18

call this Hollywood some feeling

8:20

even now. On red carpet felt

8:22

like she looks so old Hollywood usually

8:24

when someone is where exactly like a

8:27

fly but like close fitting some art

8:29

deco detailing and that is coming from

8:31

the nineteen thirties when the movie that's

8:33

also starting to talk exactly so that

8:35

the movies. Are talking. They're.

8:37

Wearing this like pretty consistent

8:39

style. And. Now we

8:42

are solidly in the era. Of

8:44

the studio system. Last and

8:46

imaginative, one of the studios

8:48

free from another world. a

8:50

world of incomparable months and

8:53

briefly. So. Each studio

8:55

is basically like a self contained

8:57

factory and it contains all the

8:59

parts it needs to make the

9:01

movies. These have set designers, you

9:04

have directors, you have a makeup

9:06

artist, and you costume designers all.

9:08

Working. Continuously to turn out

9:10

movies on behalf of the different studios

9:13

and the actors are actually on contract.

9:15

It's like a whole system. Yeah,

9:17

exactly. And so this means that

9:19

like because the actors are their

9:22

in house and the customers are

9:24

their in house. The customers can

9:26

craft very consistent looks. For actors

9:28

across all their movies. The.

9:31

One thing about these costume designers in

9:33

the studio. These. People were really good

9:35

at what they did. These. Crows

9:37

were, they were engineered for

9:39

each particular actors. And.

9:41

If the his head like a flat san

9:44

a year or. Seat in her boobs.

9:46

You know they would pad things. So.

9:48

These designers were really really clever

9:50

and desk and does understood how

9:53

to make and actors were good.

9:56

So. Take Joan Crawford, for example,

9:58

her whole persona. In all her

10:00

films as As You Is. Really tough to get

10:02

out. Get your think that any thoughts on

10:04

them into the season. You with. Part

10:08

of that was you always are wearing these suits

10:10

shoulder. Pads and That look was

10:12

designed for her by the costume

10:14

designer. At Mcm, his name was

10:16

Gilbert Adrian. When Adrian put her

10:18

in those strong shoulder pads. And

10:21

that really strong look that really

10:23

did resonate with lot of women.

10:26

Because. They like wow, you know Joan Crawford?

10:28

You know she's really bad ass. And. Make

10:30

sense of the costume designers would be designing. Costumes.

10:33

For. Movies, That's their job. But the thing

10:36

that was so interesting about this moment

10:38

is they're also designing. Clothes,

10:40

For the celebrities to were not

10:42

on. Screen of the time so

10:44

seamlessly when the city as were

10:46

in the business of crafting every

10:48

single part of any celebrities. Like

10:51

guess they'd be like your name will

10:53

be Rita Hayworth and we will make

10:55

you like sexy but in an approachable

10:57

and you know they sort of suicides

11:00

create be a whole person I love

11:02

you have romantic partner to give you

11:04

a story exactly and of part of

11:06

that is then we'll tell you exactly

11:09

they were so invested in fully crafting.

11:11

Their. Entire persona. I bet

11:14

they closed them for almost

11:16

everything they needed going out

11:18

to dinner at Premier's just

11:20

living their lives, even. Their.

11:22

Wedding Dresses A wedding of through Hollywood

11:24

film stars. Big pile of goldblum though

11:27

and what a happy day for the

11:29

couple! And so some

11:31

of the house costumers.

11:34

Got. Like as. Famous.

11:36

Arguably. As some of these French

11:38

designers, for example, like Eat a Head. As.

11:41

A customer at Paramount and she became really

11:43

famous in her own right. And use of

11:45

images in the Incredibles. This is a sub

11:47

Us, so it's valid are you have to

11:49

be seen as some of the last three?

11:51

The Edna mode is like supposed to be

11:54

to that exactly. So Hollywood is totally separate.

11:56

From France. Fasten to make sure that their

11:58

movies don't fall out of style. But.

12:00

The ceiling is also mutual like

12:02

friends fashion. Does. Not want

12:05

to be in the movies. There was

12:07

a moments when Coco Chanel came to

12:09

Hollywood in the thirties and she was

12:11

like she couldn't hack it. She left

12:13

do your would dress like as you

12:15

said of high end celebrities like Marlene

12:17

Dietrich. Bet. By. And large

12:19

Like his fancy upper crust French clients

12:22

did not want him dressing movie actors.

12:24

I mean this was consider these are

12:26

like very. Popular Yes and God is

12:28

not a high end the door fashion.

12:31

So friends person does not like

12:33

Hollywood and Hollywood does not like

12:35

French fashion and Hollywood isn't that

12:37

doing this thing called Hollywood Style

12:39

which is being made by costume

12:41

designers and they are doing it

12:43

everywhere on screen, off screen. Yeah,

12:45

and they keep doing that until.

12:48

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so under the studio system stars are

15:32

more or less cared. For who cared

15:34

for controlled however you want. To

15:36

put it in like every single way. they'd never had

15:39

to worry about what they would wear, And

15:41

then the Css some fell apart. Like. Initially

15:43

the three the losses but over a period

15:45

of like ten fifteen years this whole factory

15:48

system of like. Assembly Line in

15:50

your movies. it's it's not allowed anymore

15:52

and so sort of. By the late

15:54

sixties, they no longer have actors on

15:56

contract. They no longer have directors on

15:58

contracts. Everyone sort of becoming. The land,

16:00

including, of course, the costume designers, right,

16:02

and because everyone is a freelancer, now

16:05

the sars or kind of on their.

16:08

And. They have to. Begin to

16:10

fend for themselves. Kind

16:12

of for the first time in Hollywood

16:14

history, which means that the Sars have

16:16

to. Go. Shopping and and since

16:18

they've never had to shop. They.

16:20

Weren't very good at it. Frankly,

16:23

this is a Thomas author of

16:25

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I spoke. With her about this. Very

16:32

particular moment when suddenly movie stars

16:35

have to try to figure out

16:37

with aware because they had been

16:39

dressed. By. The studios for

16:42

so long they had a certain

16:44

style that had been developed for

16:46

them. But. The didn't a silly

16:48

mean that they had innate style. And

16:50

and suddenly saw like while Bar Streisand isn't

16:53

looking as fabulous as she did in the

16:55

early sixties, you know she says kind of

16:57

shown up in. Pantsuits, Suffix

17:00

generally and the sixties and

17:02

seventies. It's a more casual period.

17:04

People are dress down and even on

17:07

screens. The stories are not about like

17:09

the glamorous lives of the rich and

17:11

famous. The stories are more about normal

17:13

people who are dressed normally you talking

17:15

to me. La de da la.

17:19

And sars or like they even buying up

17:22

it's. From like normal department stores,

17:24

what you could see a celebrity at

17:26

Saks getting something that they might were

17:28

to the Oscars. While it

17:30

was lovely to see people looking like themselves

17:32

rather than what's. The Hollywood was

17:34

she's had crafted it is should

17:37

be. Their public image was also

17:39

sometimes so casual. that relates to.

17:41

Be mrs lose it more of an effort. This

17:43

is a plus. Fees: Nice event. By

17:46

the nineteen eighties, Hollywood. Was

17:49

starting to agree with Anna. casual

17:51

was going out of style. We're

17:53

talking cope Gordon Gekko have none

17:55

of all three of the again.

17:57

I get I glamour that they the. Dollars

18:00

down. Like a lot of money. Like

18:03

money is that you money like that Racing and

18:05

money. But the stars are still on their. Own.

18:09

And basically on their own.

18:12

They started to make some

18:14

unfortunate decision and that's when.

18:16

We had real fashion

18:18

or hers of it.

18:22

Is the sixty first annual

18:25

academy was a member was

18:27

in houses were hilarious that

18:29

carrying guns again because. You'd

18:31

see. All. These celebrities on

18:33

just couldn't come up with anything. More

18:37

and Bruce Willis him, he

18:40

more more more bikes. Source

18:42

to the Oscars: And.

18:45

Everybody was laughing like crazy. like

18:47

how can see where something like

18:49

that you saw all. kind of

18:51

weird. Get up with. Him

18:55

Basinger War the rest of says

18:57

I and herself. That's like half

18:59

long sleeve behalf sorts is good because that

19:01

avant garde or to stay. Tuned

19:04

for without with Jodie Foster. In

19:06

Nineteen Eighty Nine Wins won an Oscar for

19:08

the Accused. This is such a big

19:11

deal in my life is as simple there

19:13

is wearing this like powder blue dress with

19:15

a bigger bow in the back and means

19:17

he was like a baby doll. it's it's

19:20

not very sophisticated their mean was like a

19:22

bad problem bridesmaid's dress it's just he just

19:24

search. I remember watching those oscars and you

19:26

to server like. Horses

19:29

she would say. Thirty

19:33

Foster was very insulted by

19:35

all the hate that her

19:37

cream puffs blue prom dress.

19:39

Got. To see picked it out herself in

19:41

Milan and see thought it was really beautiful and

19:44

I think it was is very. Vulnerable thing

19:46

for stars to like. Show

19:48

their true tastes and to

19:50

get completely raced over the

19:52

coals. I think that most

19:54

of us equate celebrities was

19:56

having lotta style. But. It is

19:58

ordinary people like the rest of us. And

20:00

a lot of them. May. Look good

20:02

because they were. Wardrobe to certain

20:05

way for a movie. But they

20:07

don't really have any in a style so they

20:09

needed somebody to help them out. And someone

20:11

would come to help them out. This. New.

20:14

Upcoming. Designer name: Giorgio

20:16

Armani, part of of

20:18

yes some. Now we think of

20:20

Giorgio Armani as like this. You know, up there

20:23

with the Or and Chanel is this kind of

20:25

like classic. Bread but other times he

20:27

was really separate so our money

20:29

was as young upstarts is not

20:31

based in France his base out

20:33

of Milan and his style was

20:35

also totally different. When you think

20:37

about you. Know the eighties had all these

20:39

like big structured power. Suits He was making.

20:41

These suits that were very loose. They

20:44

were made of linen. They were they

20:46

were breathe a bull. They. Were

20:48

in earth tones that weren't like

20:50

black and seine. They have a

20:52

glamour. They have a lawn and everybody

20:54

looked good in his clothes. But

20:57

our money was really small. You could

20:59

only by his clothes at Barney's in

21:01

New York, but this small group of

21:03

people in Hollywood were like to putting

21:05

on to this. Nice little

21:07

known designer. And

21:10

they were mostly people who were not

21:12

on camera. There are a lot as

21:14

powerful. Agents and directors and

21:17

one of these fans. Was.

21:19

John Travolta manager The Sky Bob

21:22

Le Monde and vote to was

21:24

hired by Director Paul Schrader to

21:26

plane this new movie called American

21:28

Gigolo and. Le. Mans said

21:30

you know. You should

21:32

get that character to wear these suits.

21:34

He's Giorgio Armani suits of these posts

21:36

be a gigolo his puzzle a great

21:39

hot and sexy a modern and fabulous

21:41

he's be were an Armani suits and

21:43

then. Travel to met with our money

21:45

went to Milan he did sitting saw this as an

21:47

he dropped out of the movie to go make Urban

21:49

Cowboy. And. Schrader hired

21:51

as unknown actor. Named Richard

21:53

Gere and Richard Than put

21:56

on the Armani suits and

21:58

million bucks often. The

22:00

hotel's run into women

22:03

for foreign countries mainly

22:05

transmitter guys knee highs?

22:07

Yes, Armani

22:12

see sales skyrocket when this

22:15

movie comes out. And so

22:17

they are like okay this Hollywood thing it's through and

22:19

lover as and so then they went on to. Close

22:21

the cast of The Untouchables.

22:24

Again, sales go up. He's just seeing

22:26

this rocket like connection between his clothes

22:28

and the movie. This is the first

22:31

time anybody, it's sort of. So the

22:33

two together and realized that this was

22:35

a marketing platform. So our money has

22:37

discovered the power of celebrity in a

22:39

way that nobody else really had yet.

22:42

Like Snow and You Are were still

22:44

refusing to dress celebrities. The one notable

22:46

example was that like Audrey Hepburn was

22:48

dressed, buys you fancy. but that's like

22:51

the exception that proves the rule. This

22:53

was not something. That established

22:55

designers did, except. I'm

22:58

on either side so like make this whole

23:00

thing he decides to go all and he's

23:02

like or a Hollywood will be the way

23:04

to establish my brand. So he hired this

23:07

fabulous woman named Wanda Mcdaniel, who had been

23:09

a journalist working at The Herald Examiner. Covering.

23:12

Celebrities: Giorgio Armani hired her

23:14

and said. I'm giving you one

23:16

thing to do and that is dig. Dress.

23:19

These celebrities who really need help

23:21

and who could look so much

23:23

better. And. Hope who did she call

23:25

but Jodie Foster and as like hey I know

23:27

that a lot of set. For the

23:30

to do to preserve address let let

23:32

me take care of it. Let our

23:34

money dressier come by we'll hook you

23:36

up. If she said oh god please

23:38

take this burden off my shoulders I

23:40

guess for the rest of my like

23:42

please just help help help wonder Mcdaniel

23:44

start calling every by sit next to

23:46

you us to take care of you

23:48

come into our warm embrace like we

23:50

got him. So the next year Giorgio

23:53

Armani dress about four or five of

23:55

the top actresses and when his loss

23:57

on the red carpet in these long

23:59

pure. Spare. How on? In

24:01

very solid colors that which is the

24:03

right color for each woman. With

24:06

some sparkle for not too much

24:08

sparkle. Their hair beautiful but not

24:10

overly formal. They looked. Just.

24:13

Shoot. For and suddenly everyone

24:15

was gaga. In. That was

24:17

the moment Women's Wear Daily did this

24:20

headline and they call they ask her

24:22

the Armani Awards because in ninety one

24:24

every. Every celebrity who

24:26

was worse something was were

24:29

an Armani men and women

24:31

to narrow it all sorts.

24:33

Nagar Glenn close so whole

24:35

game. And so

24:37

our money to start getting a

24:39

lot of attention. but he is

24:41

crafting these celebrities to look so

24:43

elegant and and stately. And one

24:46

by one celebrities are starting soon

24:48

asked to be styled by Armani

24:50

of his shop at the Armani

24:52

store and it was directly again

24:54

impacting. Sales. And they're a

24:56

light bulb went on. Every designer

24:58

said. When. I can't read or

25:00

money like as is to himself so

25:03

they all. Decided that they needed to

25:05

get into the game. And

25:07

so all these designers start inviting

25:09

celebrities and to their Vip room,

25:11

inviting them to their salons and

25:14

citing them into their boutique for

25:16

a glass of champagne and increasingly.

25:18

Celebrities: Are going because they.

25:21

Need more and more clothes. Were.

25:23

The beginning of this period where you're starting.

25:25

Have this whole explosion of media.

25:28

M T V. Install.

25:30

Magazine. You saw celebrities,

25:33

informants, Shots. You saw them on the

25:35

town. You saw them it behind that velvet.

25:37

Rope It! Movie premieres you som

25:39

and side. They're fabulous homes And

25:41

of course as a war zone

25:44

there is. No better way to bring

25:46

in the New Year. There were a

25:48

huge, glamorous award show like the fifty

25:50

fourth Annual Golden Globes, and hello Everybody!

25:52

I'm Joan Rivers and we all live

25:55

Okay Melissa got there. Now on I

25:57

am here with Kelsey Grammer. What am

25:59

I. The written. By. The late nineties,

26:01

the Red Carpet is being televised. It's

26:03

become as big as the awards themselves.

26:06

Because. We. Changed it, We

26:09

turned walking into a building into.

26:11

An event. So we. Actually got

26:13

a daughter. Melissa Rivers as and

26:15

Joan Rivers. His daughter See and

26:18

her mom were both red carpet

26:20

hosts. They were. There talking

26:22

to celebrities. About what designers

26:24

they were wearing, You

26:26

are so beautiful. So you wearing

26:28

Omani? Are you wearing? I'm wearing

26:30

Alberta Ferretti. Were you wearing a

26:32

Paul Smith? Oh Yoweri As though

26:34

you're wearing a by the way.

26:36

Into are you wearing was ass out

26:38

of desperation. We were

26:40

alive and my mom see didn't know what

26:42

to ask somebody is it was like fuck

26:45

what am I gonna say and were alive

26:47

and I've run out of anything to talk

26:49

to, disperse and about. And. Knew they

26:51

were in a beautiful dress. So. She said

26:53

is that is what are you wearing She

26:55

said who are you wearing. And

26:58

that's how that started. So now

27:00

we are solidly in the who

27:02

are you wearing era, and celebrities

27:04

and designers are fully interwoven. Every

27:06

effort is being scrutinized. Everyone knows

27:08

who's wearing white, who designed what,

27:11

and if it didn't look good,

27:13

Joan and Melissa would be there to call

27:15

you out on I'll let you they would

27:17

let you know Cameron Diaz as he was

27:19

and d or by John Galliano. It looks

27:21

like she was dressed by lot the still

27:23

with towel, the. Plotters I say

27:26

i. Think this is more effective

27:28

that it. I use a i think

27:30

this is fashion first himself red dress

27:33

of let Us Go To Air on.

27:35

Like heavy flow gave him a.

27:38

Cigar bar Valentino of Qatar she looks

27:40

like in Atlantic City is hop us

27:42

who got a sewing machine for what

27:44

zones and no less at the other.

27:49

People to see how could you see that is

27:51

so mean and my mother and used to always

27:53

say. Saying anything different.

27:56

Some. Let everyone saying next to each other

27:58

on the couch. Anyone. You

28:00

didn't nice that they judge

28:02

when people are wearing is

28:05

a big liar. Okay

28:07

so like we have a lot a lot

28:09

of events and we have like. A.

28:11

Lot of people like Jonah, Melissa who

28:13

are out there ready to. Shark bite

28:16

you for every single thing that you

28:18

were. The other thousand police are patrolling

28:20

and of years after this really. Matters

28:22

you don't want to be the butt of

28:24

a joke, but now is as a simple

28:27

to just signed on to be in. The

28:29

warm embrace of our money now.

28:31

A. Bunch of other designers have like a caught on to

28:33

let our money is doing and. Everybody's imitating and

28:35

other people are reaching out. the celebrities like.

28:38

Oh let us as you let assess you,

28:40

let us assume And so now they're like.

28:42

So many more choices to be made. The.

28:44

Business that so huge and there's so many brands

28:46

and so many options and so many collections that

28:48

it became a full time job to keep up

28:51

with. I mean this when they're working women they

28:53

don't have time to go out and go to

28:55

the shows and see everything and cultural. The look

28:57

books and make sure it's the right size. if

28:59

is not right size get the taylor they are

29:01

get it fixed yet it is that it added

29:03

that it's and it's a full time jobs for

29:05

hopes they hire the person to do. It because

29:07

it's a full time job. Okay

29:11

villa I know it sounds like this is

29:13

the and and were like that. I have

29:15

a Silas as bar and roll credits yeah

29:17

but bus it will take a little bit

29:19

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29:21

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right? So we are. Now in the

31:12

era of the silas. Kind.

31:15

Of low key behind the scenes. Celebrities

31:17

have started asking other people to south for

31:19

them. Address them and look, where are these

31:21

He bought. Coming. From a

31:23

lot of them are actually coming

31:25

from magazines because for photo shoots.

31:27

You need someone to like pull all the clothes

31:30

from all the designer so rooms and put them

31:32

on the celebrity and that's honestly how a lot

31:34

of celebrities and stylus met. You know they'd like

31:36

style someone for a photo shoot and I'm a

31:39

celebrity. Would turn to them and be like hey I like

31:41

this look you've made. A. Can you do

31:43

this for me all the time? What?

31:45

Looks this is the thing. Any

31:47

celebrity who somebody of know. For.

31:50

Them to walk a mean: going

31:52

to the restaurant with a celebrity

31:54

is a two to three hour

31:57

endeavor because. They're going to be stop

31:59

ten times herself. The this is my

32:01

friends in Django see as worked as

32:03

a Silas to for a long time

32:05

to. Try on and get clothing

32:08

it it's just not an easy

32:10

thing for them to do Because

32:12

you go into a store, you

32:14

are photographed, you are being tracked,

32:16

and. Because. You

32:18

now. Have to do press

32:21

tours in ten cities. It

32:23

is a outrageous amount of

32:25

looks. It's daunting.

32:28

Gene. Started in magazines as.

32:31

He's. Been in the business since

32:33

she styled Kiana Reeves for a

32:35

Press You in the nineteen nineties

32:37

and then developed a very impressive

32:40

roster including as she says, five.

32:42

Batman, George Clooney, Michael.

32:45

Keaton, Ben Affleck, Three

32:47

Spiderman, Tom Holland, Toby

32:49

Maguire, and Andrew Garfield

32:51

are forgetting Junior Yeah,

32:53

A lot of other super people. And

32:56

it's amazing. She kisses openly say

32:58

that she sails these people because

33:00

of this is as like a

33:02

dirty secret like know star was

33:04

supposed to admit that someone. Dresses.

33:07

Them it was I supposed to be

33:09

like an innate skill they had like

33:11

they were glamorous. Their fashionable in on

33:14

need how he's a stylish people exactly.

33:16

But then some Silas started to emerge

33:18

out of the shadows and take pride

33:20

in it. The most notable example of

33:23

this is Rachel though she does very

33:25

distinct look and I'll tell you some

33:27

of her clients and your some in

33:29

the look Immediately it was like Lindsay

33:32

Lohan, Nicole Richie, Paris Hilton like every.

33:34

Both. Those seats if girl of

33:37

the early on. And rates

33:39

also become a celebrity to the point where

33:41

he even got her own Lisa I'm Retail

33:43

Sales and on the. Assignments.

33:46

Access Six Hillary than I've had it

33:48

all together. And create the also

33:50

red carpet moment. And this

33:52

like brings us back where we started

33:54

with Than Day or and Loro yes

33:57

exactly the stylus as celebrity his job

33:59

is to carefully. Prompt, The visual

34:01

image of his clients and

34:03

you career is exploding as

34:05

a result. So there's the

34:07

glamour. Of being a celebrity Silas. But

34:09

then there's also the job itself

34:12

and as hears about with that

34:14

actually is. so I asked Gene

34:16

Yang. There's so many things involved

34:18

in the practicalities of dealing with

34:21

this job that people have no

34:23

concept of. It's a business if

34:25

you think it's just. About style.

34:29

You. Are sorely mistaken and like what are the actual

34:31

what you think you spend most of the. Same. Doing

34:33

I say three quarters of the job is.

34:36

Slipping seat is it's

34:38

sipping so just like.

34:40

Starting. From the beginning. Let's

34:43

say. Celebrity. Reaches out to

34:45

use as like a gene. Really like. To

34:47

work with you. What? Happens then. So

34:49

typically it's actually a publicist who will

34:51

reach out to you have it and

34:54

will say look, this person has this

34:56

going on. I. Would go online

34:58

and I would research everything that that.

35:00

Person had ever worn. And

35:02

I would see what worked, what didn't work.

35:05

Most the people I work with are very

35:07

busy. They only want me to bring the

35:09

things that I think would be right for

35:11

them. And. Gene told me that

35:13

going to show rooms and pulling options that

35:15

would be right for them is really not

35:18

as easy as it sounds people. To think

35:20

we go on a show rooms and health

35:22

clothing. We can get any things like know

35:24

what you typically do this You have to

35:26

have the showroom say okay for someone so

35:29

sure no problem. Of the

35:31

five things had pulled they'll say oh we're

35:33

so sorry we only want this for red

35:35

carpet Oh this is only for award show

35:37

and then you may only get to of

35:39

items. Sometimes you

35:41

bag and say oh please, I promise. You. This

35:44

will be a big moment for the pure.

35:46

Please. Is it would please the court. In

35:49

the, there's like an additional stuff because her

35:51

clients actually they have to like it themselves.

35:53

Yeah, I asked about that. When. I wonder

35:55

how you kind of get to that? Point. Of discovering

35:57

what they want. It is done in a

35:59

very vague. Step manner. May.

36:01

Be a Guy is always been

36:03

wearing a pair of of trainers

36:05

and you know, track pants. And

36:07

a t shirt and they wanna up

36:10

their luck Wealth: You can immediately jump

36:12

into a gorgeous. You know, wrap

36:14

around shows and. Pete suit. It

36:16

is really talking and finding out

36:18

what they want and then trying

36:20

it on and then looking at

36:22

the eyes looking at their you

36:24

know the corners of their mouths.

36:26

are they feeling comfortable? But when

36:28

I. Look. At the

36:30

Client. As a stylist, it's your job

36:33

to see what looks good and to

36:35

feel if they're going to feel. Comfortable

36:37

in front of one hundred cameras and

36:39

the not just in front of cameras

36:42

during awards season. it's constant. Yeah, totally.

36:44

And when celebrities are going on

36:46

a multi city press. Tour

36:48

genes job. Is. Literally

36:50

to pack their bags for them.

36:53

I'm like okay what you're going to be

36:55

in the middle of Russia or you're going

36:57

to be in the middle of Ireland for

36:59

this premier can be negative twenty so I'd

37:01

really recommend that we do this coat and

37:03

with this like you have to have all

37:05

that already have to look at the leather

37:08

yep weather and yep to sit there and

37:10

co bikinis, sox shoes, broads, cufflinks I would

37:12

literally have a check office for my assistance

37:14

when we're packing. was like with the seems

37:16

opened with the the white stitches take that

37:18

taken out the jacket to we have the

37:20

perfect open for the pocket square is there

37:22

double. Stick. Tape is there, cufflinks is

37:25

their socks for each outfits. It sounds

37:27

like such a. Difficult.

37:29

Stressful job.

37:32

Was. It actually son's Oh

37:34

look. At. It is good.

37:36

It's sykes the meal. When.

37:39

You get to have that delicious

37:41

meal if you don't realize that

37:43

there were hours and hours upon

37:45

preparation from the person who. Killed

37:48

the soil. To the sous

37:50

chefs and the prep people who

37:52

put that together. Then. You.

37:55

Don't begin to even. Comprehend.

37:58

What is involved in that beautiful outfit? On

38:00

the red carpet. Now. What's.

38:02

Going on behind the scenes on the red carpet

38:04

outfits is. So leveled up.

38:07

There's. A lot of paperwork now behind

38:09

the scenes is so many celebrities are

38:12

being paid like. Anywhere, From

38:14

two hundred fifty thousand. To. Millions

38:16

of dollars Go. To

38:18

wear the clothes on the red carpet

38:20

sars have to like. Sign.

38:22

A lot of contracts and get

38:24

very specific about what designer they're

38:26

wearing, how many times they say

38:29

the designers dame, it's all very

38:31

rigorously contracted out and what you're

38:33

describing is like an industry that

38:35

sort of like has grown up

38:37

and become just like a proper

38:39

business says. Real money behind it.

38:41

Yeah right, it functions and I

38:43

guess was enough for the clothes.

38:46

Well. If you ask Melissa

38:48

Rivers, it's boring. That's the

38:50

thing. Everybody looks the same now.

38:53

Melissa. Rivers as she could never

38:55

revive the Thousand Police. Now because

38:57

everybody is just like. To

39:00

polished people have been looking

39:02

at thousand times better. But

39:04

that also takes the fun out of our

39:06

job. You know you miss these.

39:09

Celebrities: Dressing themselves because

39:11

that's when you got in the. You.

39:14

Know a was. So. Much more.

39:17

Fun! Because. People.

39:20

Would make their own decisions. A

39:23

yard be like and eleven there's a near

39:25

miss. like does your saw at you know

39:27

But I feel like you and your mom

39:30

were like the the threats that made people

39:32

get stylus. I mean yeah I will say

39:34

oh my god totally upset over the and

39:36

I run into the stylus. And they

39:38

turned to me. Lol Roads literally

39:41

said to me. I have my

39:43

career. Because of yes. I

39:46

did. You guys. Sometimes. I wonder

39:48

if we've released the crack and he.

39:50

Has on I have begun is is

39:52

the legacy get a been? Wow! They

39:55

changed fashion as a business. Or.

39:57

Is it gonna be? Oh dear God the he didn't.

40:00

But. I've yet

40:02

to be seen. I. Have

40:05

to say that G makes a

40:07

very compelling defense for the Rise

40:09

of the Stylus has she says

40:12

it's method Stylus have made celebrities

40:14

boring. Stylus have made regular people

40:16

look more interesting. Look it. especially

40:19

men swear. To. See an

40:21

alpha male looking guy wearing a

40:23

pink. Sue gives any guy permission

40:25

to wear a colorful suit. It

40:28

goes without saying that men can.

40:30

Have these shortened pants with their ankles

40:32

showing. It goes without saying that.

40:35

Lots. Of men are wearing

40:37

nail polish now, the proliferation

40:39

of color, the proliferation of

40:42

styles, Is it is

40:44

all permission that was given because

40:46

the celebrity. Styling. I'd like to think.

40:49

So. Everybody you think of the

40:51

stylist. I mean I do think

40:53

having people who know a lot

40:56

about sauce in. And. Not as

40:58

like what's in and what's hot,

41:00

but like they know a lot

41:03

of weird obscure designers. They know

41:05

a lot of sasson history by

41:07

like having these people on hand

41:09

dressing celebrities. I think it makes

41:12

the conversation around clothing way more

41:14

intellectual an interesting. I mean like

41:16

the example of law roots dressings

41:19

and air in that like vintage.

41:21

Time the glare. Peace. And.

41:23

He met like a old archival piece

41:25

of couture that should be in a

41:27

museum. And. He brought that

41:29

to the red carpet and people get to like.

41:32

Learn about Fasten history and that way.

41:34

So it's like elevated the conversation around

41:36

clothing in this way that I, of

41:38

course, Lot of snow ice. I see

41:40

that. I think that there's like a little bit. Of

41:43

a trade off because I

41:45

also through recognize the kind

41:47

of claustrophobic peacefulness that more

41:49

servers are talking about were

41:51

yeah, everyone looks pretty good.

41:54

It's almost like the floor has been raised and

41:56

I think that's going to be expected. like when

41:58

a profession has. Professionalize, you're

42:00

gonna see more competence, You're going see

42:02

more polished and you might lose a

42:04

little of something. And and joaquin as

42:06

you know and like of this Alice's

42:08

bad you may be. it's pretty bland.

42:11

Yeah. But. Conversely, if

42:13

the stylist is good thing you do

42:15

get some watching as you do get

42:17

some risk. you know a good fastened

42:20

doesn't mean boring person know that? That

42:22

is totally true and I think all

42:24

the we've learned like if you were

42:26

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