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late 2019, the redecurrent case was
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reexamined with an eye toward making use
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of modern DNA technology to progress the
1:07
investigation. Lt. J.T.
1:09
Treve, at this time the Detective Bureau
1:12
commander, wrote, I
1:14
wanted to take a different approach with the assignment of
1:16
unsolved murder cases than what was the norm. I
1:19
created a plan to select a case and treat it like
1:21
the crime had just been committed. The redecurring
1:24
case was chosen as it was currently
1:26
assigned to a detective in the Detective
1:28
Bureau, Detective Corporal Thomas Channett, and
1:30
the case had a lot of physical evidence with which to
1:32
work. Because of the case's
1:34
age, we decided that our primary focus would
1:37
be on the forensic evidence. There had been
1:39
a lot of evidence collected during the initial
1:41
investigation and over the years minimal testing had
1:43
been conducted. With advancements in DNA
1:45
testing and genealogy research, we felt there was
1:48
a chance at finding the suspect in this
1:50
case. To
1:52
start with, the detectives went back to the case file and
1:54
made a list of the names of men who had never
1:57
been eliminated. As Treve put it, they cast a
1:59
white- Wide net. everyone was
2:01
unless unless they had been eliminated
2:03
by dna. Lieutenant. He felt
2:05
strongly that the attack on Rita had not
2:07
been carried out by random stranger as he
2:09
put it in his report quotes. The suspect
2:12
would have had approximately seventy minutes to
2:14
discover that read it was home alone
2:16
and then commit this crime and escape
2:18
before carrying Paul returned home. It
2:20
would make a highly unlikely that this crime was
2:22
the result of a random chance encounter with the
2:25
victim. It is most probable that the suspect
2:27
lived in close proximity where he would have had
2:29
knowledge of who was at home and when. And.
2:31
Quote. Lieutenant. She
2:34
was onto something but it would take for and the
2:36
genealogy to tell him what. Detectives.
2:39
And that who have been handling the case
2:41
alone on top of his act of caseload
2:43
told The Daily Beast of the Twenty nineteen
2:45
push quote The amount of evidence that has
2:47
been collected over the years is immense as
2:49
as of than one of if not the
2:51
most investigator cases in the history of the
2:53
Burlington Police Department. We believe this
2:55
case is absolutely still solvable, but time is
2:57
of the isn't. The. Reality is that
3:00
evidence and memories degrade over time. So we
3:02
decided to give our maximum effort now as
3:04
many of the witnesses and of all parties
3:06
are still with us and. Can be contacted
3:08
and close. To. That was
3:10
right to feel a sense of urgency. Beverley readers
3:13
roommate had already passed on no longer
3:15
able to testify identify someone said to
3:17
be needed. Paul Robinson
3:19
who said the apartment with reader Carry and
3:21
Beverley Southern courage that the police were taking
3:23
up the case once more. This from The
3:25
Daily Beast quote. the horror of the summer
3:27
of Next and Seventy One will haunt him
3:29
for the rest of his life. I still
3:31
get nightmares about that night. He said i
3:34
hope they catch whoever did this or figure
3:36
out what happened But I'll have to say
3:38
is that whoever was responsible this person was
3:40
evil. Pure evil. Paul.
3:42
Willingly gave a Dna sample and was ruled out.
3:46
And. Twenty Twenty. The investigators knew that the
3:48
cigarette bought was our best evidence. In August
3:50
of that year, they began contacting. First Responders
3:52
who had been at Readers Apartments all those
3:55
years ago. The purpose was to determine if
3:57
those first responders had smoked cigarettes and if
3:59
so, To pain dna samples to
4:01
ensure they weren't chasing an innocent man.
4:04
They. Needed to be sure that cigarette
4:06
butt, eagles, killer dna some of
4:08
these first responders had passed away.
4:10
So they contacted people biologically. Related
4:12
directly to them. These.
4:14
Included Oh Gee, Ambulance Crew members David
4:16
Been and Stephen Oleo and Officers Richard
4:19
Garo And On The Rock. Detectives.
4:22
Who that called Garo who says he wasn't the
4:24
first on the scene and agreed to get a
4:26
dna sample to the police in Florida where he
4:28
lived at the time does had to to that
4:30
collect a dna from the rocks daughter and answer
4:32
that into evidence. Same for the. Others, the
4:34
cigarette butt was none of their. This
4:37
whole cold Case review took a lot of
4:40
resources, energy, and time. Soon, the fiftieth anniversary
4:42
of the murder rolled around and a summer.
4:44
Twenty Twenty one. I now
4:46
the read occur In Case was the
4:48
oldest case still being actively investigated by
4:50
the Burlington Police Department. We.
4:53
Don't know anymore. Today says two years later
4:55
than we knew the day of the murder
4:57
Mary Campbell lamented to my same plane valley.com.
4:59
By this time, both of her a meet
5:01
his parents had passed away, not ever knowing
5:03
who killed their oldest child. The remaining members
5:06
of the current family gave a statement to
5:08
the Burlington Free Press and honor of the
5:10
fiftieth anniversary. It. Reads quote. Fifty.
5:13
Years as a long time to grieve. a
5:15
long time to hope. The fifty year mark
5:17
confirms that a resolution in our lifetime to
5:19
read as murder is no point to happen.
5:22
As. A family and our prayers who will never
5:24
give up our deepest hope. Read a story, has
5:26
a home and our family legacy for ever. We.
5:29
Recognize that over time memories fade, evidence
5:31
ages the perpetrator may be dead. Interest
5:34
in the story means for fifty
5:36
years the Burlington Vt has worked
5:38
every lead to have ever received and
5:40
have been very compassionate to our
5:42
family. We know readers. that's enough.
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Happen in a vacuum. Somebody somewhere knows what
5:46
happened that night on July nineteenth, hat and
5:49
seventy one and they will take that in
5:51
for Mrs It or grieve. May. God
5:53
have mercy on their soul. And. quo.
5:57
Well. As we will see someone did. Have information, but
5:59
that. Than the not heard that information to
6:01
her grave she was still alive. What she
6:04
knew still to be revealed. Once.
6:07
They have compiled the detailed review of the
6:09
case file and compelled an exhaustive list of
6:12
names of men there, and the list was
6:14
divvied up among the investigators to try to
6:16
systematically eliminate them one by one using Dna.
6:19
Detective Senate as the lead investigator was given
6:21
the names that were considered the most promising
6:23
as and they said the investigators theory of
6:26
the crime that read a had been attacked
6:28
by someone who knew that she was home
6:30
alone. In July, Twenty
6:32
Twenty One detected said that interviewed a woman
6:34
who was friends with the for female roommates
6:36
on the second floor. as the Team Brooks
6:39
Avenue see had called, it had said that
6:41
she had been at that second floor apartment
6:43
that very night and at other times she
6:45
recalled meeting the residents of the third floor
6:47
a mixed race couple which was not common
6:50
at the time. The woman she said was
6:52
bubbly and sleet. The. Man was song
6:54
and tall with a strong jaw. The silent
6:56
type. Detectives. On that knew
6:58
that the residence in the third floor apartment
7:01
in July Nineteen Seventy One where William and
7:03
Michel de Ruse, both of whom had been
7:05
canvas three. Times a contemporary
7:07
Investigators. A. Little digging told
7:09
him that William to rule was deceased. But
7:12
he decided to turn of the soon see if she had
7:14
any insights on the crime. After
7:16
he located a relative themselves and contacted
7:18
him mischelle call him back on December.
7:20
Twenty Seven Twenty. Twenty One. And
7:23
they tax by phone. She. Was now
7:25
living in Oregon and she remembered me this case when. They.
7:27
Talked about her and her deceased hasn't life in
7:29
Burlington on their marriage, but she had nothing to
7:32
add. As far as readers murder went, But
7:35
decided to that had to do his job and
7:37
rule William to roost out. After do
7:40
some research on ancestry, he was able to locate
7:42
a half nephew of. The. Ruth was living in
7:44
New Mexico. This man's father had been a
7:46
half brother William to Ruth. And a
7:48
professor at a New Mexico university until
7:50
his recent death. To Net sent
7:52
the nephew a letter on March tenth. Twenty
7:54
Twenty Two It said as discussed you're late
7:56
Uncle had been identified as a person of
7:58
interest in the invest There isn't solely because
8:00
he lived in the same building as the
8:03
victim at the time. Your. Dna
8:05
wise thread can aid in the investigation
8:07
by potentially ruling out your uncle as
8:09
a suspect as a sample will be
8:11
compared to evidence insisting in the case.
8:15
The. Nephew agreed to give Samples were collected
8:17
by detectives from the Dona Ana County
8:19
Sheriff's Office. Unless Crucis New Mexico and
8:21
Detect internet receive them and tag them
8:23
into evidence on April Twenty nine. Twenty
8:26
Twenty Two. But. The samples were
8:28
tested, they set their. The. Bpd
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now it was spring 2022. Lieutenant
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Treve had seen a documentary on the
10:18
work Parabon was doing to identify killers
10:20
in very old cases, just like Rita's,
10:22
and decided to pursue this avenue. The
10:25
next step was examining whether they had sufficient
10:27
DNA in the extract from the cigarette butt
10:30
to create a SNP profile. They
10:32
sent it to Arbor Biosciences, which successfully
10:34
sequenced it. Then in mid-2022,
10:37
they sent the SNP profile to
10:39
Parabon, which entered it into FTDNA
10:41
and Genmatch. Cece explained
10:43
her genealogical analysis at the press conference that
10:45
was held later. She said that
10:47
in Rita's case, she was incredibly lucky. It took
10:50
her just a few hours to identify a
10:52
compelling suspect. In
10:54
the databases, Cece found that DNA relatives
10:56
from one and two shared 588 and
10:58
461 centimorgans, respectively,
11:02
with the suspect. Matches three
11:04
to five were terrific supporting matches with 127,
11:06
70, and 70 centimorgans, respectively. Matches
11:12
one and three descended from
11:14
most recent common ancestors, John Orr
11:16
and Susanna Davies, born in 1828
11:18
and 1832, respectively. So
11:22
Cece knew that the suspect must ascend from this
11:24
couple as well. Matches
11:26
two, four, and five descended from the
11:28
unit of John Wilney, born 1796, and
11:31
Gerberg and Della, born 1801. The
11:34
suspect was also descended from this couple. So
11:37
these most recent common ancestors represented the
11:39
two branches of the suspect's family tree,
11:42
and they triangulated in a union
11:44
marriage between Lois Orr, the
11:46
surname from the ancestral couple from which matches one
11:48
and three were descended, and her
11:51
husband, William DeRuz, a surname from which
11:53
matches two, four, and five were descended.
11:55
Lois and William had one son, a child
11:58
named William R. DeRuz, born 18 in
12:00
1939. William had no
12:02
siblings. His mother died right after his
12:05
birth, so he was the only living
12:07
person descended from this unique set of
12:09
ancestors. He was a first cousin
12:11
once removed of each of DNA relatives 1 and
12:13
2, one on his maternal side and
12:15
2 on his paternal side. As for
12:17
DNA relatives 3, 4, and 5, he
12:20
was second cousin once removed, third cousin,
12:22
and fourth cousin, respectively, to them. So
12:25
Assisi started looking into this William R. DeRue's.
12:28
He was not from Vermont, and none of the relatives she
12:30
could see on his tree were from Vermont either. But
12:33
a quick historical document search revealed that
12:35
William R. DeRue's had gotten married on
12:37
July 5, 1971 in Dromeroll,
12:41
Burlington, Vermont. He
12:43
had married a woman named Michelle DeRue's, and
12:45
the documented address on the marriage record for
12:47
the couple was 15 Brooks
12:50
Avenue, the same building that Rita
12:52
Curran lived in. On
12:55
August 11, 2022, Assisi notified the
12:57
Burlington investigators of her hypothesis that
13:00
the subject was highly likely to
13:02
be William Richard DeRue's. She told
13:04
me it took her two hours to identify him
13:06
as a likely suspect. I
13:08
imagine that the investigators almost fell off
13:10
their chairs. Assisi had given them a name
13:13
in a 50-year-old cold case in just a few days,
13:15
and it was a name they knew. Detective
13:17
Channett had just been investigating him as one of
13:19
a large number of men mentioned in the Rita
13:21
Curran case file. Think back to when
13:23
I discussed the neighborhood canvas the
13:25
BPD conducted after Rita's murder. The
13:28
notes taken by Detective Winterbottom, Officer
13:30
Garo, and Vermont State Trooper LaHoo
13:32
all document interactions they had with
13:34
the residents of the third floor apartment
13:37
at 15 Brooks Avenue, Rita's two floors
13:39
up neighbors. They were William
13:41
and Michelle DeRue's. Both had said
13:43
they were home at bed and saw nothing on the
13:45
night of the murders. Michelle even
13:47
said she had been awake at 1 a.m.
13:49
and heard nothing. William DeRue's had never been
13:51
investigated as a suspect or even a person
13:53
of interest. His wife Michelle had alibied him
13:55
at the time, and that was that.
13:58
But now investigative focus shifted
14:00
to him as the primary suspect.
14:04
Now that they had DeRue's name, the modern investigators
14:06
were eager to tie him to Rita's murder with
14:08
something a little more incriminating than a cigarette butt.
14:11
After all, pretty much everyone in 1971 smoked.
14:14
And with DeRue's living in the same building,
14:16
DNA on a butt was felt to be
14:18
insufficient to conclusively connect him to the crime.
14:20
They wanted something with his touch DNA on
14:23
it that was inseparable from the commission of the murder.
14:25
The original investigators had collected and preserved a lot
14:28
of evidence, considering they had literally no concept of
14:30
what most of it, like the butt and the
14:32
buttons on the housecoat, could ever be used for.
14:35
Everything was well documented and items were
14:37
preserved even though their evidentiary value wasn't
14:40
certain. Here's
14:42
what they still had that was considered ripe for
14:44
DNA testing. Two blue
14:46
cloth drawstrings from Rita's housecoat. A
14:49
piece of linoleum with blood snares on
14:51
it. Rita's underwear. Part of Rita's nycan.
14:53
Rita's housecoat. And a piece of wood.
14:56
These items were hand delivered to DNA Labs
14:58
International by Detective Corporal Tom Tremblay on
15:01
March 24th, 2022. This was the
15:05
same lab that had used the cigarette
15:07
butt DNA extract to conduct direct and
15:09
kinship testing to rule out the 13
15:11
prime suspects. They
15:14
also provided the lab with a DNA sample from
15:16
Rita Curran. I was very surprised
15:18
to hear that a sample from Rita's autopsy
15:20
remained in evidence and was still viable and
15:22
yielded her DNA sample. DNA
15:25
Labs International used the MZAC machine to
15:27
test some of these items which Rita's
15:29
killer was suspected to have touched and
15:31
compare any male DNA found to the
15:33
male DNA on the cigarette butt believed
15:35
to belong to the suspect. On
15:39
August 24th, 2022 DNA Labs
15:41
International's report concluded that the
15:44
blood on the linoleum and the piece of
15:46
wood was Rita's, not the suspect's. But
15:49
they found a DNA mixture on the
15:51
underwear and the suspect could not be
15:53
excluded as a contributor to the foreign
15:55
DNA profile. The analysis concluded
15:57
that it was approximately 61 times more
16:00
probable if the sample originated
16:02
from Rita Curran and the unknown suspect whose
16:04
DNA was on the cigarette, then
16:07
it originated from Rita Curran and an unknown
16:09
person. This was considered what's
16:11
called limited support of the proposition that
16:13
DeRue's cells were on the underwear. Then
16:16
there was a housecoat. A sample was
16:18
collected of blood-free material from the left
16:20
and right lapels where the housecoat opened
16:22
and closed. This was the area
16:24
they knew Rita's killer would have touched when ripping
16:27
it open, which they knew happened during the assault.
16:30
DNA analysis on Rita's polka dot
16:32
housecoat indicated a DNA mixture of
16:34
at least four individuals with just
16:36
one being a male. They
16:38
compared that to the known DNA of Rita and
16:40
the DNA on the cigarette butt. They
16:43
concluded it was 65,000
16:45
times more likely that the mixture contained
16:47
Rita's and the unknown suspect's DNA as
16:49
opposed to Rita's and three strangers. This
16:52
statistic provided strong support that the DNA
16:54
from the man who left the cigarette
16:56
butt was also on her housecoat. They
16:59
also tested an area of the inside of the housecoat
17:01
found under Rita's buttocks. The DNA
17:03
profile obtained from this sample was a mixture
17:05
of at least four individuals, one of whom
17:07
was assumed to be Rita, with at least
17:09
one male contributor. The DNA
17:11
profile obtained from this sample was approximately 780
17:14
times more probable if the
17:16
sample originated from Rita Curran, the unknown
17:19
suspect, and two unknown persons, then
17:21
if it originated from Rita Curran and three
17:24
unknown persons. So this was
17:26
considered moderate support. For the proposition that
17:28
the DNA of the unknown suspect was
17:30
on the housecoat. Well
17:32
that was a lot, but the upshot they
17:34
had DeRuz's DNA on the housecoat in
17:37
two places and the underwear
17:39
as well as the cigarette butt. So
17:44
it was time to test William DeRuz's DNA, but
17:46
of course he was dead. With
17:48
a 50 year old crime it was almost too much to hope
17:50
for that he would still be alive. Worse
17:52
the investigators learned from the medical examiner's
17:54
office in San Francisco that DeRuz had
17:56
been cremated and they had not retained
17:59
any biological evidence. that could be
18:01
subjected to DNA testing. They were
18:03
going to have to turn to the next best thing. Detective
18:05
Jeanette located a living half-brother of William
18:08
de Rooze named Douglas M, named
18:10
in Parabon's report as a potential source
18:12
of DNA for kinship analysis to help
18:14
identify de Rooze, as they would
18:16
share about 25% of their
18:18
DNA as half-siblings. Douglas was
18:21
elderly, was in a long-term care facility,
18:23
and was nonverbal, but luckily,
18:25
Detective Jeanette was able to establish
18:27
contact with Douglas's adult children. As
18:30
their father's legal guardian, they were
18:32
legally empowered to grant permission for
18:34
Chilton County, Alabama law enforcement officers
18:36
working with Detective Jeanette to collect
18:38
buccal swabs from Douglas. The swabs
18:41
were collected and sent to Vermont. Detective
18:43
Jeanette entered them into evidence on September 2nd,
18:45
2022. This
18:49
is from the report. Quote, Douglas's DNA
18:51
was sent to DNA Labs International for
18:53
direct comparison to the DNA profile from
18:55
the LARC cigarette butt to see if
18:58
that DNA reflected that its contributor was,
19:00
in fact, the half-brother of Douglas, which
19:02
is William de Rooze. We
19:04
later received the results from DNA
19:06
Labs International, and additional testing indicated
19:08
that the relative probability that
19:10
Douglas M is related to unknown number
19:13
one as a half-sibling is 97.03% in
19:15
the general population. These
19:18
results support the conclusion that Douglas
19:21
M and unknown number one are
19:23
half-siblings. The
19:26
Burlington team finally had what they needed
19:28
to declare that William de Rooze, who
19:30
had definitively left his DNA on Rita's
19:32
house coat, underwear, and a cigarette butt,
19:34
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19:36
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intel they could on William deRue's, definitively named
21:18
as the man who attacked, brutalized, and killed
21:20
his downstairs neighbor, Rita Kern, in her bedroom
21:22
in a 70-minute window of time. Remember,
21:25
Detective Channette had interviewed Michelle deRue's
21:27
by phone way back in December
21:30
While now, Detective Tremblay and Detective
21:32
Channette contacted Michelle again and updated
21:34
her on the situation. On
21:37
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21:39
Eugene, Oregon and interviewed Michelle for three hours
21:41
at the police station. Michelle
21:43
was now using a different name, but I'm going
21:45
to call her Michelle for simplicity sake. Michelle
21:49
said she grew up in Woodstock, New York, but her family
21:51
had moved to Burlington in 1965 or 1966 when her dad
21:53
took a job with IBM. After
21:57
high school there, She graduated from Hunter
21:59
College. The New York with a Nursing degree.
22:02
In nineteen seventy, she working in San
22:04
Francisco as a nurse when she met
22:06
William Richard the Roost at a Zen
22:08
center. He was seven years her senior:
22:10
tall, charismatic, and missing part of his
22:12
left pinkie. They. Began dating as
22:15
both were into what she called the buddha
22:17
scene and then I moved into. The.
22:19
Ruse did not drink or do drugs. He
22:21
was committed to the ascetic Buddhist. Based. Missiles
22:25
as he never met during his family but he
22:27
told are some things he said he had six
22:29
brothers and he talked about his mother. But.
22:31
He never mentioned his father. He
22:33
also sort or he'd been to prison in California. Twice
22:35
seven, two to three years and Folsom
22:37
for armed robbery. He been
22:39
married before to a woman from South America muscle
22:41
never met. It's unclear. What the
22:44
roof did from money. The cell could not really
22:46
recall him working when they were in California. Then.
22:49
Sell broke up with the rules and moved
22:51
cross country back to Burlington. There wasn't a
22:53
precipitating incident and she couldn't or how was
22:55
it ended the relationship. But.
22:57
She was living at her parents' house on
22:59
South Willard Street during the spring of Nineteen.
23:01
Seventy One Wonders. Showed up on announced
23:03
she introduced him to her parents and they
23:06
were quote not thrilled but her parents were
23:08
in the process of moving to British Columbia
23:10
south sometime that spring see and a ruse
23:12
moved into the a permit at saved him
23:15
Brooks Avenue. In. The same large. House
23:17
rita would move into in early July.
23:20
The. It was a small unit, essentially a studio.
23:22
The to Married and it's allies s in Bloomington.
23:25
Michelle. Said that a ruse wanted to be
23:27
the breadwinner. He was working nights as a dishwasher,
23:29
but he said he was planning on opening a
23:31
barbershop. He. Wanted her to focus on
23:33
getting pregnant and having his kids. To.
23:35
Drive home. This point. He took her diaphragm and nailed it
23:38
to the wall so she. Couldn't use it. Detected.
23:41
Specifically asked Michelle, a C endeavors interacted at
23:43
all with the neighbors in the building. She
23:45
said they didn't They had their own entrance
23:47
to the third for unit that was really
23:49
no common areas share but the other apartments
23:51
other than the driveway but they didn't have
23:53
a car. she reiterated that she
23:55
couldn't recall ever having a conversation with anyone
23:57
else and the apartment house on books avenue
24:00
let alone go into any of the other apartments.
24:02
Michelle mused aloud, we had
24:04
no relations with these people. Why would he do
24:06
that? Never asked for a cup of sugar, nothing.
24:09
When shown, she did not recognize Rita
24:11
Kern from her photo, but remarked that she
24:13
was beautiful. Then
24:16
they asked her about the night of the murder. In
24:18
her first interview, almost a year earlier, before
24:20
they knew her husband had killed Rita, Michelle
24:23
had confirmed to Detective Channette her
24:26
original statements from the day after the homicide,
24:28
saying her husband was home all night and
24:30
she didn't hear or see anything suspicious. She
24:33
said she and DeRuth had been married for a short
24:35
time, neither of them worked, and they spent all their
24:37
time together. Now, she said,
24:40
she remembered the murder vividly because the police were all
24:42
over the place the next day. She
24:44
said that on the night of Monday, July 19th, 1971, she
24:48
and DeRuth were home alone and they got
24:50
into an argument. She could not remember
24:53
what this argument was about at all, but she
24:55
did remember that her husband said he was going
24:57
for a cool down walk and he left the apartment.
25:01
She didn't remember how long he was gone and she went to bed. She
25:03
did remember that he came home and slept in the same
25:06
bed as her that night. No, she
25:08
didn't recall whether they had sex. Michelle
25:10
had no recollection of any injuries to his person
25:12
or anything like that. She didn't see
25:14
any blood at all. And of course, all these years
25:16
later, she couldn't remember what he was wearing that night.
25:19
She said she wouldn't know if he'd disposed of
25:21
any clothing. She didn't think they had a washer
25:23
dryer, but she couldn't remember where they did
25:25
their laundry. In
25:28
the morning, the police banged on their door very
25:30
early. Remember, they started the building canvas at 7
25:32
a.m. DeRuth stayed in bed and
25:34
she answered the door. The officers
25:36
told Michelle that someone had quote, been hurt pretty
25:38
bad and asked if she'd seen or hurt anything.
25:41
She said she hadn't. Specifically,
25:43
this is what happened to remind you of the
25:45
statements in Officer Garro's 1971 report. I
25:48
checked 17 Brooks Avenue, the second floor
25:50
and could not raise anyone there. On the
25:52
third floor, I talked to William de Ross,
25:54
age 31 and Michelle de Ross, age 24.
25:58
They both stated they had heard nothing. and
26:00
Mrs. de Ross stated she had been up around 1
26:02
a.m. but had heard no unusual noises or anything else.
26:06
Michelle now said that at the time her
26:08
husband, having gone for a walk in the night,
26:10
was so inconsequential that it hadn't even occurred to
26:12
her to mention it to the police. But
26:15
she admitted that after the police left in
26:17
that first Canvas contact and she closed the
26:19
door, her husband told her not
26:22
to mention that he'd gone out for a walk
26:24
the night before. He said he was concerned because
26:26
he had a criminal record that they would jump
26:28
to conclusions and try to pin the crime on
26:30
him. Some more from
26:32
the original Police Canvas reports. Detective Winterbottom
26:35
proceeded to the third floor apartment and made contact
26:38
with Mrs. Mitchell de Rufe, who stated she did
26:40
not hear a thing. She told
26:42
Detective Winterbottom that she did not know anything was
26:44
going on until she saw the police cars and
26:46
the ambulance. State
26:48
Police Corporal Bruce LaHue at the third
26:50
floor apartment, Trooper LaHue identified two tenants,
26:52
Mr. and Mrs. William de Rufe. His
26:55
reports stated the following. Talked with Michelle
26:57
de Rufe, wife of William. Mrs. de
26:59
Rufe stated she heard and saw nothing and as far
27:02
as she knew, neither did her husband on the night
27:04
of Monday, July 19th, 1971. So
27:08
Michelle told three different investigating officers that her husband
27:10
was home with her that night. She
27:12
did not mention the argument or the walk or the
27:14
fact that he was gone for a while. Every
27:17
time the police asked her if her husband was home
27:19
with her that night, and as you heard, there were
27:21
several occasions she said yes. She
27:24
told a different story five decades later to
27:26
cold case detectives. Five decades
27:28
later, she gave our detectives a different
27:30
story. The truth police chief John Murad
27:32
later said. In
27:34
her 2022 interview, Michelle admitted to the
27:36
investigators that the thought briefly crossed her mind that
27:39
de Rufe could have committed the murder, but she
27:41
said it was inconceivable because he would have had
27:43
no reason to do it. Michelle
27:45
admitted that she'd never directly asked her if he'd
27:48
done it. She also admitted that
27:50
while she couldn't recall the details of what
27:52
she had told the police back then, she
27:54
probably would have covered for de Rufe based
27:56
on their previous conversation about his criminal record
27:58
being a motive for police. to accuse him.
28:02
Michelle said that if she really thought DeRuth was involved
28:04
in what happened to Rita, she would have quietly gone
28:06
to the police. I think
28:08
that's doubtful, but the detectives came away
28:10
from the interview believing that Michelle had
28:12
not deliberately misled the 1971 investigators. She'd
28:16
been young and naive and genuinely did not believe
28:18
her brand new husband had killed Rita Curran. After
28:21
all, as she said, what was the motive? And
28:24
how realistic was it that he went out
28:26
for a walk, violently sexually assaulted and murdered
28:28
someone and came home and slipped back into
28:30
bed, his wife, none the wiser. How
28:32
could he act totally normal in the morning and
28:34
had no signs of blood or scratches or remorse?
28:37
It was all very implausible and it's easy to see
28:39
how Michelle didn't entertain the idea for more than a
28:42
moment. It's easy to see how
28:44
she believed him when he explained that his record
28:46
might attract undue attention from law enforcement.
28:49
She also pointed out that as a black female
28:51
in 1971, she had an inherent
28:53
distrust of the police. When she
28:55
totally accepted as normal, her husband asking her
28:57
to omit the details of his absence for
29:00
fear of provoking undue scrutiny of him because
29:02
of his record as a felon. Michelle
29:06
did answer one important question the detectives posed to
29:08
her, whether her husband smoked. The
29:10
answer was yes, although she couldn't recall any specific
29:12
brand and the name Lark did not seem to
29:14
ring a bell. Michelle
29:17
and DeRuth's life in Burlington did not last long
29:20
after Rita's murder. She wasn't sure
29:22
of the exact date that this happened, but
29:24
DeRuth suddenly moved to Thailand that fall. They
29:26
remained married and Michelle couldn't remember why she
29:29
didn't go to Thailand too, but suspected it
29:31
was because they couldn't both afford plane tickets.
29:34
She stayed in Burlington and worked as a nurse and
29:36
when she saved enough money, she went to Thailand and
29:38
met him there in March of 1972. When
29:41
she got there, DeRuth had achieved monkhood. The
29:44
two traveled around Thailand for a short time
29:46
and then returned to the Tanburi Monastery in
29:49
a Bangkok suburb. Where DeRuth
29:51
was a monk and she became a nun. She
29:53
said they never had much of a relationship after that
29:55
because it was against their religious principles. She
29:58
ended up staying in Thailand for about a year. year and a half.
30:01
The ruse left the country before she did. She
30:04
couldn't remember where he went, but he had asked her
30:06
for money to help him pay for a trip that
30:08
did not include her and she refused. She
30:10
said that was the last time she saw him
30:12
or had any communication with him whatsoever. Much
30:15
later, back in the US, she went ahead and
30:17
got a legal divorce through an attorney. Michelle
30:20
was clearly emotionally impacted by the realization that
30:22
her new husband had gone downstairs and brutally
30:24
murdered a woman in a time when she
30:27
naively thought he was out getting some fresh
30:29
air. Michelle's father knew Rita's
30:31
family from living in Burlington. This crime was
30:33
close to home, but it was way
30:35
closer to home than she had ever suspected. Very
30:39
oddly, there was another mention of William de ruse
30:41
in the case file. Lieutenant Treeb found
30:43
his name in a report of a
30:45
tip written down by detectives Davis and
30:47
Goudin. It reads, quote, Wednesday, July
30:49
28, 1971, oh, 900 hours. William de
30:54
ruse, age 31, 15 Brooks Avenue, Burlington,
30:56
D.O.B. 121439. Above, subject's name was brought to
31:02
our attention by an informer who stated that
31:04
the subject was capable of committing a violent
31:06
crime. Subject informed us that he was
31:08
home at the time of the crime with his wife,
31:10
but that they did not see or hear anything. Informed
31:13
us that he is a farm laborer on
31:15
the Palmer farm in Heinsburg. Okay,
31:19
what? A tip was called in
31:21
one week after the murder, claiming de ruse
31:23
as someone who could have killed Rita. The
31:25
tipster knew that de ruse and Michelle had
31:27
been home on the night of the murder,
31:29
but had witnessed nothing or so they said.
31:33
That was it. There was nothing else in
31:35
the case file explaining whether this tip was
31:37
ever investigated. Detectives Davis and Goudin had both
31:39
passed away by this time, and it's unlikely
31:41
that they would ever remember this anyway. Hundreds
31:43
of tips were called in after
31:45
police pleaded for information of Rita's case. This
31:48
one may have gotten buried under the mountain of them. Detective
31:51
Jeanette asked Michelle about this and she had no
31:54
idea who could have tipped about de ruse, but
31:56
she said he had never worked on a farm
31:58
and they didn't have a car, so he would
32:00
have had no way of getting there. To
32:02
this day, that's all we know about this tip. But
32:05
someone knew what William de Roodes was
32:07
capable of, knew his date of birth,
32:09
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32:24
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32:26
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32:29
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32:31
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32:33
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32:37
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32:41
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moved on to interview another woman who had been
33:49
married to William DeRuth. On September
33:51
29, 2022, detectives Channette and Tremblay interviewed Sarah
33:55
H. in Colorado. Sarah
33:57
met DeRuth in San Francisco in July of 1970. 1974.
34:01
She said she was living a hippie lifestyle and
34:03
had hitchhiked to San Francisco from Boulder. Scobus.
34:07
She and DeRuth met at a Zen flat, which
34:09
I think is some sort of communal living center.
34:11
She knew him as a guru named Dutch. From
34:14
the report, quote, Sarah further described DeRuth
34:16
as a guru in that he was
34:18
a very influential speaker. She advised that
34:20
he had a power over people, mental
34:22
hypnosis almost. She described herself
34:24
as a lost hippie who was under his
34:27
influence, end quote. DeRuth expressed
34:29
interest in her and they had lots of interest
34:31
in common such as meditating and bicycling. He
34:34
didn't tell her a lot about his time in Thailand and
34:36
he never mentioned Vermont. She knew
34:38
he had been married and lived in Thailand, but he did
34:40
not talk much about these periods in his life. Sarah
34:43
and DeRuth tied the knot on November
34:45
19th, 1974 after meeting just four months
34:47
earlier. Sarah
34:51
described DeRuth as six feet tall, slender
34:53
with dark hair. She said he was
34:55
mild mannered, but there were two jarring
34:57
incidents that stood out because they seemed
34:59
it's so at odds with everything DeRuth
35:01
purported to stand for. In
35:04
one incident, they were having drinks with a female
35:06
friend named Ophelia. They were
35:08
chatting away one moment and the next DeRuth
35:10
pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed Ophelia
35:12
in the abdomen. This was
35:14
completely unprovoked and out of the blue. There was
35:17
no argument or disagreement going on in any way.
35:19
Ophelia went to the hospital and reported the
35:22
incident and DeRuth was arrested. This
35:24
from Detective Tamblay's report, quote, Sarah
35:26
advised that DeRuth return to their apartment the next
35:29
day and acted as if nothing had happened. She
35:31
stated that DeRuth inquired if he had stabbed
35:34
her, Sarah, and she informed him that he
35:36
had stabbed Ophelia. She said that
35:38
DeRuth then went about his business, they
35:40
never discussed the incident any further and that he
35:42
didn't seem to show any remorse for what happened.
35:46
In the next incident, Sarah related, DeRuth actually
35:48
did try to harm her. The two of
35:50
them were drinking, but again, there was no
35:52
precipitating argument. In fact, Sarah said DeRuth would
35:54
often go off on angry, tangential rants and
35:56
she never engaged with him. She
35:59
told the detectives that. she felt very insecure in
36:01
the relationship and didn't really stand up for herself.
36:04
So anyway, suddenly, de Roos just started strangling her,
36:06
using his hands on her throat to choke her
36:08
nearly to the point where she lost consciousness. I
36:11
imagine that with this statement, the detectives side-eyed
36:14
each other. William de Roos had strangled Rita.
36:16
Sarah was lucky to be alive. So
36:20
it sounds like at this point in the mid-70s, de
36:22
Roos was starting to unravel. Sarah said
36:24
that he purchased a hunting rifle during a camping
36:27
trip that might have happened in about 1976 in
36:29
the Sacramento area. For
36:32
the record, aspirational Buddhists don't usually carry
36:34
rifles or hunt. Sarah
36:36
stated that she believed de Roos was arrested
36:38
by the feds for this purchase, and he
36:40
disappeared for five to seven days, during which
36:42
she assumed he was in jail. Once
36:46
again, de Roos did not discuss this incident after returning
36:48
home, and she didn't press it. Finally,
36:51
Sarah reported that de Roos also used cocaine occasionally,
36:53
and she didn't know what else he was doing,
36:55
but she knew for a fact that he drank
36:57
heavily and took Thorazine, used to
36:59
treat bipolar disorder. Sarah
37:02
and de Roos took their marriage on the road, traveling
37:04
California in a Plymouth Duster and bouncing from place to
37:06
place. They lived off welfare money. In
37:09
1978, they settled at the Triangle Motel
37:12
in Eureka, California for six months. And
37:14
that summer, Sarah caught de Roos in
37:16
bed with another woman. At that point, she left
37:18
him. A couple
37:20
of months later, when Sarah had moved on to
37:23
another relationship, de Roos showed up at the house
37:25
she shared with her new man. Sarah
37:27
was uncomfortable with this because she had no idea how
37:29
he had found her, and he was acting weird. He
37:32
left after about 24 hours, and she never saw
37:34
him again. Finally,
37:36
the investigators reached out to Rita's living
37:38
former roommates, Paul Robinson and Carrie Dee.
37:40
As I mentioned earlier, Beverly Lamper had
37:42
passed away by this time. They
37:45
asked both roommates whether they remembered any interactions
37:47
with William de Roos or his wife, Michelle. Shown
37:50
photos of Michelle and de Roos, Carrie, did not
37:52
remember either one of them. She
37:54
said she had lived in the apartment for only
37:56
two months before Rita moved in, and she moved
37:58
out immediately upon Rita's murder. She
38:00
did not have any recollection of William de Rooze
38:03
living in the very same apartment house as her,
38:05
Paul, Beverly, and Rita. As
38:07
for Paul, he thought the photo of de Rooze looked
38:09
like someone he might have seen in passing, but that
38:11
was it. He didn't spend a lot
38:13
of time at the apartment, he didn't live there long, and
38:16
he didn't interact with the neighbors. Neither
38:18
Carey nor Paul had any recollection of
38:20
the couple other than in passing, and they
38:23
confirmed that neither William nor Michelle had been
38:25
in their apartment, says the report. Okay,
38:28
just a few more biographical facts about
38:30
William Richard de Rooze, one of the
38:32
stranger murderers I've covered. He was
38:34
born on December 14, 1939, the
38:37
son of William Henry de Rooze of
38:39
South Dakota and Lois Lyle Orr. The
38:41
father, William Henry, served in the U.S.
38:43
Navy and was stationed in Japan, Texas,
38:45
and Florida. Detective Channett
38:48
told me that his research revealed that de Rooze's
38:50
father had a family in every port. That
38:52
is, he had at least three different sets of kids
38:54
with three wives and some of them at the same
38:56
time, but in different locations. Remember,
38:58
William said that he had six brothers, but
39:01
we know he was the only child from his
39:03
parents' union. His dad got around. We
39:06
know next to nothing about de Rooze's earlier
39:08
life other than what his ex-wife told the
39:10
investigators, which may or may not be true. There
39:12
is mention of him completing military training at
39:15
Fort Knox, Kentucky at age 17, but
39:17
military service has not been confirmed, and neither Michelle
39:19
or Sarah knew about this. Detective
39:23
Channett tried hard to dig up a criminal
39:25
history for de Rooze, having heard from Michelle
39:27
and Sarah about him doing time for armed
39:29
robbery in San Francisco, being arrested for an
39:31
illegal gun purchase in Sinon. But
39:34
he was never able to find any records. The
39:36
authorities in the San Francisco area informed him
39:38
that their records from that era had all
39:40
been destroyed long ago, so that wasn't helpful.
39:43
And various states in which de Rooze was known to spend
39:45
time had nothing on him. In
39:48
early March of 2022, Detective Channett spoke
39:50
on the phone with a sister-in-law of
39:52
de Rooze's, who described the extended family
39:55
as very fragmented and estranged. She
39:57
remembered William de Rooze as someone who was not close with
39:59
him. the family. She recalled meeting him
40:01
only once in the early 80s when he showed
40:04
up in Florida for an unexpected visit to
40:06
his father, William Henry DeRuth. The
40:08
sister-in-law described DeRuth as odd, dressing in
40:10
traditional Taiwanese attire, and having a Thai
40:12
woman and two children with him who
40:15
did not speak English. It
40:17
wasn't clear whether the children were his and the whole
40:19
thing was bizarre and awkward. After
40:22
that last family interaction, DeRuth wasn't around too
40:24
long. On August 7, 1986, he
40:27
was found dead in an apartment building in San Francisco,
40:29
slumped over on the floor with a handkerchief tourniquet on
40:32
his upper left arm and a needle and
40:34
drugs next to him. His cause
40:36
of death was acute morphine poisoning, an
40:38
overdose. He was 46. I would
40:41
guess that he'd possibly overdosed on purpose, except
40:43
a friend was found with him, also dead
40:45
of an overdose. As an
40:47
aside, drugs are another thing that Buddhist monks aren't
40:49
big on, and of course murder
40:51
is contrary to literally everything they stand for.
40:56
The Burlington Police held a press conference on February 21,
40:58
2023, announcing that the BPD's
41:01
Detective Service Bureau is unanimously certain
41:03
that the sole perpetrator responsible for
41:05
the aggravated murder of Rita Patricia
41:07
Curran on July 19 or 20
41:09
in 1971 was William DeRuth.
41:14
Not only did they have DNA evidence, they had
41:16
circumstantial evidence. He lived in the building,
41:18
but Rita did not know him and there was no
41:20
valid reason for him to be in her bedroom. He
41:23
had no alibi and was unaccounted for during the
41:25
time of the murder. He was
41:27
a smoker and smoked indoors, according to Michelle.
41:30
After the murder, he told his wife to lie on
41:32
his behalf. His life plan
41:34
changed drastically after the murder and he moved to
41:36
Thailand. He continued to demonstrate
41:38
a propensity for random violence throughout his life.
41:42
Chief John Murad told the assembled crowd
41:44
that Chittenden County State's Attorney Sarah George
41:46
had reviewed the report with all this
41:48
information and agreed that they would have
41:50
probable cause to arrest William DeRuth were
41:52
he alive. was
42:00
loved," said Chief Murad, and the random violence
42:02
of her murder left a stain on our
42:04
community. It devastated her family, and for 50
42:06
years they have waited for justice. Reed
42:10
O'Kyran's brother Tom came up to the lectern
42:12
and told the media that the previous week the
42:14
family was honored to attend a luncheon with about
42:16
60 members of law enforcement who had worked his
42:19
sister's case over the decades. He
42:21
could not thank them enough for never backing
42:23
down in their relentless pursuit of Reedus Killer.
42:26
The family had engraved Reedus Headstone with a
42:28
short poem by E.B. Browning that Reeda had
42:30
selected to accompany her yearbook photo in school.
42:33
It reads, I seek no copy now of
42:35
life's first half, leave here the
42:37
pages, with long missing curled, and
42:40
write me new my future's epigraph, New Angel
42:42
Mine, unhoped for in the world. Tom
42:46
told those at the press conference of the impact of
42:48
Reedus' murder on the family. He said
42:50
life was different in those days. My mother came
42:52
here from Ireland and my father was from Newfoundland.
42:55
We were an old-fashioned, strong Catholic
42:57
family. I don't think so much
42:59
about the guy who did this as I do about Reeda
43:01
and my parents and what they went through. I
43:03
pray to my parents and I pray to Reeda. Of
43:06
his and Reeda's parents, Tom and Mary Curran, Tom
43:09
said they didn't have counseling or help in
43:11
their time of grief, just rosary beads and
43:13
prayers. Tom also extended
43:15
his thanks to Season of Justice, which paid
43:17
for the testing that led to the resolution
43:20
of Reeda's case. He announced
43:22
that the family was creating a GoFundMe to
43:24
refund Season of Justice for the grant that
43:26
benefited Reeda so that they could
43:28
pay it forward to help other families find
43:30
resolution to their loved ones' cases. Reeda's
43:33
sister Mary Campbell spoke next. She said the
43:35
family has preserved Reeda as part of their
43:37
legacy, making an effort to remember her over
43:39
the decades. She thanked the
43:42
investigators for their kindness, caring, and compassion
43:44
over the years. Burlington Mayor
43:46
Amiro Weinberger spoke, saying that Reeda's murder
43:48
was a terrible night for our community
43:50
that caused pain to the family for
43:52
50 years. He said while
43:54
it was tragic that William DeRoods was dead, so
43:57
there will never be accountability, he hopes that
43:59
at least the family will be there. has
44:01
received some measure of closure. He pointed out,
44:04
quote, we are only here because of generations
44:06
of investigators and the integrity of the investigation
44:08
in the first critical hour. Chief
44:11
Murad took a moment to address the crucial
44:13
role of open source DNA databases. He
44:15
said that the people opting in, the genetic
44:18
witnesses, people like you and me, are the
44:20
real heroes. He said their willingness
44:22
to share their DNA brings evildoers to justice
44:24
and finds justice for families. Several
44:27
of the investigators who worked the case
44:29
also spoke. Detective Lieutenant Jim Trebe, who
44:31
cited a close relationship with the current
44:33
family and thanked his team. Lead
44:35
Detective Tom Chenette and former Lead Detective
44:38
Tom Trebele thanked the parties involved and
44:40
referenced their undying commitment to the family to
44:42
solve Rita's case. The
44:45
website Vermont Digger interviewed Patrick Leahy, the Chittenden
44:47
County state's attorney at the time of Rita's
44:50
death, who went on to become a U.S.
44:52
Senator. He said while he always
44:54
hoped Rita's murder would be solved, quote, I
44:57
must admit after 20 and 30,
44:59
40 years, I figured it never would, end
45:01
quote. But as C.C.
45:03
Moore, who spoke via video at the
45:06
press conference, said, quote, this case is
45:08
a fantastic illustration of the power of
45:10
investigative genetic genealogy to narrow down the
45:12
pool of suspects to just one person.
45:15
This case was over 50 years old and it
45:17
only took me a few hours to narrow it
45:19
down to William DeRue's. Okay,
45:23
so William DeRue's murder to Rita Curran, it's
45:25
a fact, but how did he do it?
45:27
The slaying over the years took on almost
45:29
mythic proportions in Burlington with theories about Bundy,
45:32
a cover-up, conspiracies, and all the
45:34
while it seems it was simple. Very
45:36
late on the night of July 19th, 1971, Rita's upstairs neighbor,
45:41
DeRue's, angry after an argument with his
45:43
new wife, stormed out of their
45:45
third floor apartment and went down the exterior stairs.
45:48
Reaching the ground floor, he perhaps noted that
45:51
the cars belonging to Carrie and Beverly were
45:53
gone, but Rita's was there. The
45:55
ground floor apartment was quiet. DeRue's went
45:57
around to the back of the building, to the small
45:59
backyard, where he was accustomed to stand and smoke. He
46:02
stood there smoking and perhaps even peered into Rita's
46:05
window and saw her there asleep. The
46:07
back door to the porch was unlocked, as was the
46:09
door to the storage area and the door to the
46:12
kitchen. He tiptoed inside and
46:14
found in the closest bedroom a
46:16
peacefully sleeping Rita, in her house
46:18
coat and curler. In a
46:20
rage, DeRuz took out on Rita the urges
46:22
he had after arguing with Michelle. When
46:25
Carrie and Paul came home, DeRuz escaped out
46:27
the kitchen door, his fists leaving Rita's blood
46:29
there. He went back upstairs, stripped
46:31
off his clothes and got in bed with Michelle.
46:35
Speaking to Michelle, at the press conference the
46:37
authorities said they will not charge her. Lying
46:40
to the police is not a crime, but, as
46:42
they pointed out, it's not helpful. Police
46:45
say they have caused to believe DeRuz continued to
46:47
hurt people and was a dangerous person, although they
46:49
have no proof that he killed anyone else. I
46:52
personally think it's likely that he did. His
46:54
DNA is now in CODIS, so as agencies rerun
46:56
their old evidence from the 60s, 70s and early
46:59
80s, perhaps he will be connected
47:01
by DNA to additional crimes. After
47:05
52 years, Rita Curran's case is closed
47:07
thanks to forensic genealogy, and if you're one
47:10
of the bad guys, they're coming for you. Thank
47:13
you so much to CC Moore and Detective Corporal
47:15
Thomas Channett for speaking with me about this case.
47:18
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47:20
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47:23
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