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it's time Drunk

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2:23

I'm Taylor Glenn And I'm Hannah George And

2:25

together we are Drunk Women Solving Crime We're

2:27

a podcast where we invite a guest and

2:29

you to solve a true crime case We

2:32

use solve in the loosest possible sense of

2:34

the word But Taylor, we've won awards Good

2:36

point! How many real detectives can say that?

2:39

Probably only some of them Exactly.

2:41

Time to maybe solve another crime

2:47

Now it's time For

2:50

Drunk Women Solving Crime

2:53

Hello and welcome to another episode

2:55

of Drunk Women Solving Crime I am

2:58

extra excited to introduce our guest because

3:00

we have never had three Americans on

3:02

the podcast at once Poor Hannah Oh,

3:06

I'm going extra British this episode

3:09

Golly gosh, Americans absolutely everywhere

3:11

These Yanks and their big butters

3:16

I think you're not a youth-mism Buses to be fair

3:18

are bigger than our butters You guys are double-secters I

3:20

was just like, what's American? I was like, a yellow

3:22

bus I didn't even say yellow buses We have big

3:24

school buses But if you think this is

3:27

exciting, wait till we continue this conversation But

3:29

first, let's welcome the stars

3:32

of live comedy show, Six Chick

3:34

Flicks It is KK Apple and

3:36

Carrie Ippema You

3:38

were super, you were good It

3:41

is the year of the Olympics, so who knows

3:43

You seem very MAGA I

3:46

wish MAGA would make neck scarves just to

3:48

fuck with everybody Who are you? If

3:52

they elevated their style, they might have something No,

3:54

they have nothing going for them, there's nothing There's

3:56

still no I'm glad we all agree on that

3:59

Thank you What it started

4:01

and we were like actually we are what

4:03

is now read a. Crime. Not like any

4:05

difference in politics will. Only

4:07

ever exactly the same as us. please? It's

4:09

yeah, I. Just carefully set my water

4:11

carry on as well. We will kick

4:13

off the podcast with the same question

4:15

and we have to have you today

4:18

so I'm excited. See if you each

4:20

have a story or whatever. But let's

4:22

find out have either the ever been

4:24

the victim of a crime. Yes,

4:27

Yeah, okay. We try not to look

4:29

excited when it's and as part of

4:31

the format of yeah yeah. Er. S.

4:34

I. Mean this when I would. I

4:36

wish we had of fun. I'm so

4:38

anti crime joint crime. Yeah, it's unfortunate.

4:40

Unfortunately, not. Although

4:42

you know sometimes or of you feel like

4:45

a crime scene of. The

4:47

benefits there to trauma is on the of us.

4:49

I decided to tell you more of a social

4:51

crime. Not. You know I'm and little

4:54

hard to somewhere have anything to. Years ago

4:56

and I was out on the scene and

4:58

I was dating around and I met this

5:00

gentleman at a bar and I should have

5:02

known because he was younger than me. A

5:04

significant I know. But

5:07

it's also great to meet someone. In.

5:09

Real life. you know it felt so good to

5:11

meet someone in a bar of yeah you hadn't

5:14

illegal really exciting like he approached me and my

5:16

offer to buy me a drink about like me

5:18

it's alleged on the abilities yeah yeah like you're

5:20

this of so promising and okay and either we

5:22

ended up going out. For. A drink

5:25

the first time over gonna be a like the

5:27

sky him and he was very nice. My friend

5:29

and I had this plan because where women dating

5:31

where she was going on a date across the

5:33

street and I would and see walked to the

5:35

dates together and we were like if we never

5:37

did gonna go bad come meet us at the

5:39

next by to really can't really extricate yourself really

5:41

smart Ray or so she heard it wasn't going

5:43

well as having a nice chat she came over

5:45

she left her date and he is I can

5:48

I walk you both home how he walked his

5:50

home it's all get a been a warrant ah

5:52

this is a crime is actually okay. Every

5:54

I went to take a lot of

5:57

me home. very respectful. The next day

5:59

I get. Like when K take

6:01

you out again he plans a full day he

6:03

goes what go to the museum of get tacos

6:05

and co the next time is like I wanted

6:07

to join another day to day that's that's it

6:09

but that was in one day and then the

6:12

next time you that you on about for a

6:14

movie I go sure couple days before he goes

6:16

to like ice skating. To

6:18

the ice skating. I was always up

6:20

on he's like thirty. Nine Ice Ice Cream.

6:22

Least we got. we have. A

6:25

he's a child, no other. Civil you twenty seven

6:28

and and I was when I'm third and two

6:30

gyms. I took him

6:32

to the different like playgrounds that I'm The

6:34

children's exams were less. I'm Nobody takes Me

6:36

is like he's read a brochure about it.

6:38

We are in the day. it's unusual. it

6:40

was layers and he planned it. It was

6:42

no wild and what was released with a

6:44

seat in the ice skating and he was

6:46

really shit at ice skating which also felt

6:48

like it was. I wasn't attracted to a

6:50

but I was like I admired that he

6:52

did some. Good

6:54

at the linger ability. Of being bad on a

6:56

date June I mean I write this is Vicky so

6:58

where were you can. Let literally have

7:00

your fingers skated all fall

7:02

into began a messenger. And with

7:04

files were high and was like i want

7:07

to see you again oh they're going to

7:09

a wedding or we hung out that night

7:11

He was bear respectful, ominous like has catholic

7:13

or fleece emphasis. Praises never happened and he

7:15

is. And then they went to the wedding

7:18

and he was texting me checking in and

7:20

then all the sudden I wrote back in

7:22

the text messages went to green. And.

7:24

You like sorry? like my Sim card is

7:26

so weird that's so weird and I was

7:28

texting him a couple more times and they

7:30

caplin Green and I go wait a minute.

7:34

To. Keep block me. You

7:37

guys! I had my friends call him because

7:39

we're resourceful and we get to the bottom

7:41

of this. I have my friends call them.

7:44

It. Rang he answered. they got scared on

7:46

up. He fully blocked me in a

7:48

way that I did not see coming

7:51

at all. Like all of the text

7:53

to be clear. everything

7:55

with very balanced and the tax and i

7:57

was like this is the weirdest thing he

7:59

like plan these elaborate dates, like he put

8:01

time and effort. He was trying to be

8:04

a rom-com character. He called me right after,

8:06

he walked me home, like all these things

8:08

were like, oh, what is happening? So

8:11

I officially got ghosted. Weird.

8:13

Five months later. Whoa.

8:16

At five o'clock in the morning, I get

8:18

a text from him. He had unblocked me

8:21

and he just wrote, could you have

8:23

loved me even if we couldn't have sex? What?

8:26

What? I

8:29

obviously am asleep. Two

8:31

hours later, just a question mark,

8:34

at 7 a.m. I

8:36

have never heard from him

8:38

again. I did not respond. He knows where I live.

8:41

My therapist was like, girl, I'm a little

8:43

worried. Lock

8:45

your windows, lock your doors. And

8:49

that is the social crime. And it was wild.

8:51

I had like, yeah, on my

8:53

podcast, this

8:56

is happening live, and so I called the full

8:58

line on the podcast. It

9:00

was like. Just because I couldn't get to the

9:02

bottom of it. It was so wild. I don't know.

9:04

We're all detectives here. Do you know what I mean?

9:06

I need to know. It was wild. And again,

9:08

it's like, what was going

9:11

on with, like the

9:13

question, could you have loved me even if we

9:15

couldn't have sex? If whatever happened, it's like, I

9:17

don't know if that's how he's dealing with it.

9:19

I don't know, but yeah. Oh

9:22

my goodness, just so many questions. I know.

9:25

I have this question. Because so immediately

9:27

I'm like, okay, does he sell it by

9:29

choice for whatever reason? He had talked to

9:31

me like when we were, like,

9:34

you know, we had, we were making out or whatever. And he was

9:36

like, I don't want to have sex. I don't want to have sex

9:38

with somebody I really care about. He also

9:40

casually brought up the size. Can

9:42

I say this? Is this all allowed? Oh, you

9:44

can say it. He like casually brought up the

9:46

size of his penis being large. There was like

9:49

so many things. It was very strange. I felt

9:51

like we're having tacos at the museum. Yeah, this

9:53

is weird. But again, like,

9:55

you know, when you're starting to, like people say weird things

9:57

on first couple of days. I like, Charlie, it's like, you

9:59

know. There have been there are really

10:01

that were stating on ice. I

10:04

have. You got me, brothers and sisters, you

10:06

say? For someone who don't by. The way it

10:08

looks to be fair, nicer than some of the other day. It's like.

10:11

But a little was crazy about it as he

10:13

didn't have a social media presence of this is

10:16

work if we're to. He had said he worked

10:18

for political think tank which I was like cool.

10:20

He's literally mind at all this stuff. so. I.

10:23

Also appreciate that is never social media presence but

10:25

a dead stop. Him because I am resourceful and

10:27

I did see a high school pictures I know

10:29

where he went to high school, What he said

10:31

he went to high school of okay yeah we

10:34

do have some. Can I give them the real

10:36

world? However, I'm I'm talking to my mom and

10:38

my mom's friend coworkers. She works at work for

10:40

her husband works and political think tank. After.

10:43

He goes to me. My mom had looked him

10:45

up or asked if he was in the database.

10:48

He. Was nowhere to be found. Oh

10:51

my gosh, can the only accept people who

10:53

are fuckin' Seven

10:57

little I say I am this is

10:59

so bizarre and repeat and it you

11:01

know what I'm a appreciated normally because

11:04

they think you know to be go

11:06

status and experience it's a if it

11:08

now I have advice for a for

11:11

any have you been goes did but

11:13

it was so like posts weird on

11:15

I guess I just wanna know why

11:17

you couldn't. Have sex? I do.

11:19

You know, when I do big

11:21

ice it probably is. I just

11:23

I didn't inquire further. Yeah, I

11:26

took the size am taxed as

11:28

could you have loved me, Mind

11:30

you, we went on three days.

11:32

Yeah, or four days. Regardless,

11:35

Very. Little dates. And was

11:37

he trying? To. He can do is treat a

11:40

kid should be a. Lie

11:44

on a holistic his horn a new

11:46

way mentions a big dick Any, just

11:48

look for me. Yeah, I

11:51

will when great sex acts. How

11:55

do you feel about large specific? Wow.

11:59

well. My goodness we we always

12:01

ask at the end of someone sherry to

12:03

crime. what would you say to the perpetrator

12:05

if he were here? See obviously never responded

12:08

but Seattle case don't worry, he won't believe

12:10

you know he could be it. He could

12:12

be my number one fan. We never now

12:14

I'm you know workers. Thanks.

12:16

For the story because he's a thing As

12:18

a I gotta say I that story is

12:21

it just it confuses me and I hope

12:23

it delights others And I mean and I'm

12:25

happy to share with you all. The

12:28

Big: they don't floating around a

12:30

more and as such such a

12:32

snowy away whereas you know medical

12:34

field favorite scene and loading the

12:37

yeah I'm I'm merely on and

12:39

off And hundred Flavius So good

12:41

and. Bad. Tax I'm out

12:43

another one as a thank you for that

12:45

final taxed I feel like and the perfect

12:47

little but them so good lad I have

12:49

that button because that's how we're going out

12:51

is closing her yeah and that unless I'm

12:54

doesn't usually lead to closer but that one

12:56

was not like say school and it's like

12:58

you did me a favor. like to thank

13:00

god I waited for dates not four year

13:02

and all your it did your group texts

13:04

a favor of just like how much good

13:06

entertainment that we have all gotten from the

13:09

amount of my friends just looking through all

13:11

of our tax rereading at University. Your friends

13:13

are for if something like that happens litter

13:15

and then he said this he like assholes

13:17

play that. That's

13:21

an excellent response that question. thanks for

13:23

the story that exists is one of

13:25

and say it was a story as

13:27

well. I'm gonna the story. So I

13:30

recently moved out of New York City

13:32

after living there for almost fifteen years,

13:34

over a decade alone and living in

13:37

New York City Carry Night by both

13:39

lived there for a long time. We

13:41

know that cat calling. And street

13:43

harassment are like truly just really

13:45

is. it's baked into the fabric.

13:48

Short notice that the pavement they

13:50

are under the mat and on

13:52

the cement he has died naturally

13:55

of it wasn't there would sit,

13:57

even exist and us I'm not

13:59

sure. And so unfortunately

14:01

I have so many different stories and they

14:04

really come in like different flavors, you know,

14:06

of like man who's

14:08

following you, man who like needs to

14:10

yell something like right into your ear

14:12

as you pass. Yeah, all

14:15

of that. And so this is a story

14:17

that happened, of course it was only like

14:19

a block and a half for my apartment,

14:21

coming home in the early evening,

14:23

still light out, it's summertime, so of course

14:26

it's cat calling season. And again, in New

14:28

York, that season is 365 days of the year.

14:33

It's always cat calling season. That's

14:36

not true. And I'm just back in New York

14:38

and I do not get cat called anymore in

14:40

the UK. That's fine, I don't know. I'm

14:43

working for the Patreon, I'm not supposed

14:45

to stick it as a compliment. But

14:48

I went back to New York and I was

14:50

like still good. I almost forgot how much I

14:52

said. I always

14:55

remember I once got cat calls from a van and

14:57

the van passed and it says, I love white society

14:59

for the blind. We

15:03

did it. We did it. I did it.

15:06

Yeah, what does that mean? Yeah,

15:09

so I'm like coming home probably from work

15:11

or something and like a very chill, just

15:15

like within eye shot of

15:17

my apartment, walking along and

15:20

it's like a Spidey sense tingle

15:23

of course, like any woman or queer

15:25

person with a body in walking

15:28

through New York is just

15:30

like kind of always automatically clocking everyone

15:32

who's around you and who's doing a

15:34

weird movement near you. And there's like

15:36

somebody kind of like matching my pace.

15:40

And so I'm like, I don't remember if

15:42

I'm on my phone or just like trying

15:45

to just live my best life and walk

15:47

home wearing a shirt

15:49

and pants or whatever I'm wearing at the

15:52

time. How dare you. I

15:54

know, it was bad. I was asking for it. And

15:56

I get to like the edge

15:58

of the sidewalk intersect. and

16:01

I'm like, oh no, I can just

16:03

feel it coming. And

16:06

this guy, who's kind of like halfway

16:08

through the sidewalk coming towards me goes,

16:10

mmm,

16:13

Billy Jean King, bam! I

16:16

mean, and that's

16:18

the moment. That's

16:23

not what I thought this was about.

16:25

Yeah, and that's when I realized

16:27

that this man thought

16:30

that I either

16:32

was multi-championship-winning tennis

16:37

hero, Billy Jean King, or

16:39

thought that I resembled her

16:43

in some way that turned him

16:45

on and

16:48

needed to tell me about it. And

16:51

that's my favorite street

16:53

harassment crime I've ever received, so thank

16:55

you, sir. Right. That

16:58

is your very own battle of the sexes. Yeah,

17:00

uh-huh. Exactly. I

17:03

was so braced for anything. Yeah, we

17:05

all were. And then that was just a

17:07

bit of a gift. Yeah. I

17:09

love the idea that if he actually

17:11

thought you were for that, that he

17:13

spent that time walking like, what do

17:16

I say? I've admired her for decades,

17:18

for years. What

17:20

did he say? He said, mmm,

17:22

Billy Jean King, bam! It's

17:25

so inspiring. Exactly like that. It's

17:27

inspiring. I was like, am I

17:30

giving some kind of about-to-serve, I

17:34

don't even know the terminology, a

17:36

big old serf. Yeah. That's how

17:38

not Billy Jean King you are.

17:40

Exactly. I wasn't even wearing a

17:42

sweatband. I didn't even have like

17:45

the fun cool bottle glasses from the 70s. I

17:47

can't hit the roundie with the woofle. Oh

17:50

my goodness. So God,

17:53

same question. What would you say

17:55

to the perpetrator if you had

17:58

him here now? I

18:00

would say, Mmm, Andy Roddick. Bam.

18:07

That's the only male

18:09

tennis star I can think of right now. Who's

18:12

the male tennis winner? Who knows? You

18:15

know, there's so many times in those moments where

18:17

you really want to give someone a taste of

18:19

their own medicine and you think of it five

18:22

seconds later when you're like, oh yeah, I would

18:24

say blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you're

18:26

like, I would actually never say that in a

18:28

moment because I'm so scared for my own safety.

18:31

Yeah, that's true. I remember a guy was

18:33

like, push past me just to get past,

18:36

and I remember saying to him, I just went, oh,

18:38

what, Harrison Ford? Because you look like Harrison Ford, and

18:40

then I was like, that's not the

18:42

sort of like, the bam I thought

18:44

it was. You got him. You used

18:46

to answer the star of the screen.

18:48

Yeah, like young Harrison Ford as well, like

18:50

not even Harrison Ford now. I was just like,

18:52

all right. And he was like,

18:54

you know. What if he just looked at you and said, I know. Oh,

18:58

right, right. And

19:00

now he bashes past every woman he

19:03

meets. He's like, I'm Harrison Ford. Yeah,

19:05

this is actually really working for me.

19:08

Oh, that's so funny. All right,

19:10

Ryan Gosling. Yeah. All

19:13

right. Those were excellent

19:15

stories. Those were both thank you for the

19:17

story. Stories, you know what I

19:20

mean? Comedy is tragedy plus time,

19:22

and boy, time has passed. And

19:25

now it's time for

19:28

drunk women's soul to cry.

19:31

Right, are we ready to solve some true

19:34

crime? Yeah, of course we

19:36

use that word in a very loose sense. There's

19:38

no crime to be solved. It's

19:40

more of a story unraveling. Mm,

19:43

story unraveling. Yeah,

19:46

when you whisper it, that makes it more

19:48

unraveling. I feel like I

19:50

am in a ball of yarn ready to

19:52

unravel. Mm, I don't know. And I'm taking

19:54

it so seriously. Oh,

19:57

yeah. Costume change. Costume change.

20:00

Let's do this. You guys, this case involves

20:02

mobsters, a love

20:05

affair, and skiing. Nice!

20:09

All right. There's a chance you may

20:11

know who this woman is. Let's find out. This

20:13

case is about a woman called Virginia Hill. Yes.

20:17

Oh, oh no, I know. I'm

20:19

really okay. You're obsessed with her. Well,

20:21

I mean, I'm obsessed with her, but

20:24

I- Carrie will be answering each question

20:26

last. Okay, great. I thought

20:28

you were going to say Gwenis Paltrow. No,

20:32

it's fine when somebody knows the case, because

20:34

we'll see about that. I might not. I

20:37

might not. I'm just kidding. It will still

20:39

work. Don't worry. Great. This

20:41

happens. So Virginia Hill, little bit of background. She was born in 1916

20:43

in a small town in- Oh,

20:47

I actually- in Chicago. No. You

20:50

know nothing. She was born

20:52

in a small town in Alabama. Her

20:54

father- Same. Thank you for this

20:56

American story for the American story. This

20:58

isn't the United Kingdom. They think Chicago and Alabama are

21:00

next door, right? Is that fair? They're not as far

21:03

as, I lived in Alabama for a while, and I

21:05

guess I had never looked at a map of our

21:07

country, or since we had been forced to learn every

21:09

state in the form of a song, but

21:11

it really is straight down there. I don't

21:14

know. It's right down there. We're going to cut this part

21:16

out. All right. Born

21:18

in Alabama, her father, Mack Hill, was a

21:20

horse and mule trader, and Virginia had at

21:22

least nine siblings. I love history where they're

21:24

like, we can't be sure, but we can

21:26

give you a minimum, and it's not. Yeah.

21:29

When she was eight years old, her mother

21:32

separated from Mack, moved the family to Georgia,

21:34

where Virginia attended school until eighth grade, and

21:36

then dropped out to work. So here comes

21:38

your first question. At age 15, Virginia does

21:41

something for the first time. What

21:43

does she do? Get her period? Okay.

21:46

Ooh. Okay. Bail some hay.

21:48

Bail some hay? Oh, you always remember your first

21:50

time. Yeah. Okay, I'm not totally off

21:53

book on this case, but my guess, because it's been

21:55

a while, I think she did

21:57

her first bootleg deal. Oh,

21:59

okay. Like deal. By the way,

22:01

there's no pressure on you know I. Can

22:04

I get this right? Prisma be don't have

22:07

to answer last. I'm not even aware of

22:09

my turn, but you can also make a

22:11

joke either. Assess know I had a big

22:13

you know, Who. I hope. We're

22:16

not. The. School to say except this time

22:18

I were not not only take a

22:20

sip on a magnet school and wind

22:22

my so he rent and had. Been

22:26

so much better school in one

22:28

one one at my school Syndrome

22:30

illicit. whoa man, we just we're

22:32

sick. phone. Book. And a low

22:35

ideal just six seen as a

22:37

cluster of wow that's impressive. We

22:39

used to sue to open the

22:41

oh yeah a map of where

22:43

that's of my heart he tracks

22:45

is really saying it. It's own

22:47

chef is classic as much drama

22:49

and to law school needs to

22:51

be that moving genital. Oh yeah

22:53

he went along and in any

22:56

more each other. Now that goes

22:58

up. What

23:00

would you guys reckon? What did she to? Only

23:02

we will answer now. Yea I'm. Hosting

23:04

Okay. I'll tell

23:06

you know she gets married. Oh

23:08

and less growth. Than

23:11

usual to a sixteen year olds I

23:13

say cause George and like Sue because

23:15

I was getting worried there For second

23:17

that happened for saying basically an old

23:19

may I ah and and nineteen thirty

23:21

three they move to Chicago together where

23:24

she promptly dumps him so that the

23:26

and of justifies it. Anna, there's A

23:28

by George Now Virginia was apparently aiming

23:30

to get into a specific type of

23:32

business in Chicago. Your next question is

23:35

what type of business was she trying.

23:37

To get it was. Nineteen

23:39

Thirties, Nineteen Thirty Three. And

23:42

mean. I'm going to say bootlegging. Okay.

23:45

Okay somebody that's a very legit

23:47

and mob surviving healing who are

23:49

Dad's like a horse guy. Felix

23:51

is gonna get into gambling and

23:53

he's as has yeah okay Caesar

23:55

Caesar. Very good answers. And

23:58

George and. easily become a divorce Because

24:00

she's like, what for me? What for my parents? You

24:02

know what I mean? Let's just get everybody.

24:04

Do what you know. Do what you know.

24:07

Yeah. I love that. I'm

24:09

afraid none of you are correct. She

24:11

was trying to get into the pornography business. Good

24:15

for her. She

24:17

dumps a husband, goes right for that. Now

24:19

I don't have information about why she didn't.

24:21

I feel like it's hard to not get

24:23

the job. Yeah. What's in

24:25

front of the camera? Oh, maybe. Maybe

24:27

she was editing. Probably. Yeah.

24:30

It's probably the production design. She actually wanted to write it. She actually wanted

24:32

to write it. It's part of the story. Or even lighting. Who

24:34

knows? Very important. You know what's a

24:36

boom mic? I would love to see her with a boom mic.

24:38

Oh, God. Yeah. I also love in

24:41

this historical record, how did we know she

24:43

was trying to get in? Was

24:45

this a- Exactly. Was this like a

24:47

diary of, well, it's another day of

24:49

trying to get into the porn studio

24:51

and shoot. Pass

24:53

my resume off to a bunch of

24:56

up and coming directors. You're hoping. That's

24:58

a very good question. So

25:01

apparently she doesn't end up doing this, but she

25:03

does supplement her income through sex work, which is

25:05

totally what they would have called it in 1933. Very

25:09

progressive time. But she's got

25:12

a regular day job, and this day

25:14

job is why she finally gets into

25:16

the mob. So your next question is,

25:18

what was her day job that led

25:20

to her meeting somebody in the mob?

25:23

Ooh. I think not.

25:27

I'm gonna say, oh God, and this is gonna, you know what,

25:29

I'm gonna go of the time. Fine. Secretary.

25:33

Okay. Yeah. Maybe

25:37

the thing that I know about the mob is

25:40

that a lot of films made about

25:42

them. So maybe she was

25:44

a camera woman. I don't know

25:46

who that was. You were a different for her to be like, high

25:49

level director. You just wanted to be in the

25:51

auction. You wanted her to win. You want to

25:53

win for Miss Virginia. Exactly. But I think possibly

25:56

she works in a bar. Okay.

26:00

We're in Chicago. They

26:03

love turning that river green. And she's,

26:05

for St. Patty's Day, she's the one

26:08

who's like, I'm doing the food coloring

26:10

job. And you have to have

26:12

mob connections for that. Cause they're like, how else

26:14

do we get this river going? And so that's,

26:16

yeah. Do you know that they die the river

26:19

green? Do they still do it? Every St. Patrick's

26:21

Day, yeah. I'm sure people are trying to fight

26:23

it every year. And they're like, God damn it,

26:25

no. I don't think, I gotta tell you, I

26:27

don't think anyone is trying to fight it. I

26:30

think everybody like lines, I know,

26:32

everybody lines up. And it's just a

26:34

boat that has like, it's like ghostbusters.

26:36

And they're just throwing die

26:38

behind them. And the United States were like,

26:40

why protect our natural rivers? No. Are

26:43

you telling me that the Chicago River goes

26:45

into everybody's drinking water? Throw

26:48

some dye in it. Throw some dye in there.

26:50

It's food grade dye. It's good mud.

26:53

In this country, we like just dials brown because it's

26:55

just got so much sewage in it. Ooh.

26:57

Yeah, that's amazing. Natural. I was gonna

27:00

say that's natural dye. Natural sewage, yay.

27:04

Well, I will tell you, she worked as a

27:06

waitress in a mob run restaurant. What up, baby?

27:09

So, Barr was very close. And it was set

27:11

up specifically for the World's Fair. So, the mob's

27:13

like, we're gonna open an Italian restaurant for

27:16

the World's Fair, which did very well. Soon,

27:18

Virginia catches the eye of a mobster called

27:20

Joseph Epstein, shall we just call him Joe,

27:23

who did a bad surname now. He

27:26

did a specific job for Al Capone. Joe

27:28

did. So, your next question is, what did he do for Capone?

27:33

I really appreciate your... I think he laundered

27:35

money. Okay, money laundering, that's a

27:37

great guess. There

27:39

was like something at the racetrack. You

27:41

like put the right numbers on the

27:43

wrong horses or something like that. Okay.

27:46

Also a good guess. Will you say something

27:48

of a jester? I think like, you know,

27:50

you don't like jesters feel very medieval. But when did

27:52

they stop? We don't have an end date on jesters.

27:55

He could have been like a very medium comedian. Can I change my

27:57

answer? Except

28:00

your first one was right. I Think

28:03

it's gonna do the horse semen. I feel like there had to be

28:05

some horse You

28:07

know, well that may come into

28:10

play it doesn't Thing

28:12

that feels like that is an episode

28:15

of the Sopranos, which is my primary

28:17

mob knowledge of like somebody who's just

28:19

like entertaining the

28:21

boss High

28:24

pressure comedy good I would want

28:26

that job though. It's a different

28:28

kind of killing I

28:31

always remember the story about Ronnie Corbett. Do you know

28:34

Ronnie Corbett of the two Ronnies? He's just

28:36

like this is Ronnie Corbett in extras

28:40

I think he was in I think he was a couple

28:42

episodes of extras. Yeah, Ronnie Corbett. Yeah Yeah, so he like

28:45

did stand up back in the day and I remember Amanda's

28:47

nodding. Okay Extras

28:50

knowledge we get a fact check I

28:53

am DB, please. He's also like kind of like a

28:56

funny like he Yeah,

28:58

just a stand-up and I remember hearing story that

29:00

he did stand up in London in the East

29:02

End and the cray twins Oh

29:04

my god, and then they threw a

29:06

sandwich at him and he threw

29:08

it back at the cray twins And

29:10

they were just like he's a funny fucker and then he

29:12

was like fine with the Which comedy?

29:17

We know someone who met the cray twins He

29:20

went and visited them in prison to get their life rights

29:22

for a play Great

29:25

play I think he did he like spoke to them

29:27

a long time and then he told this amazing story

29:29

about being in prison And all these visitors

29:31

wanted to come and see their loved ones But really

29:34

they wanted to meet the cray twins or whoever was

29:36

in there And so they would like be

29:38

trying to meet their loved ones But then they'd like

29:40

come and like buddy up to the cray twins But as

29:42

a payment they would all take like little bottles of

29:44

vodka and pour it in their orange juice And so

29:46

give it to and so our friend was telling us he

29:49

was like, yeah, no like by the end of it

29:51

I fell down He

29:54

woke up and he just fully face-blifted

29:56

in front of cray twins. Yeah, but

30:01

I didn't even know, how, when did they

30:03

die? I didn't even know they were around

30:05

long enough for any of us in our

30:07

youth to know anyone that might've been at

30:09

breakfast. I was like, all right, anyway. You

30:12

were right, by the way. So he was

30:14

his bookkeeper, so he was laundering money. He

30:16

was making a book, although it's funny that

30:18

he was eventually done for taxes, so I

30:20

guess he messed up there. Whoops. He

30:22

also did accounts, and I just wrote this down

30:25

because I like the nickname for a guy called

30:27

Jake Greasytham Guzick. And I don't know

30:29

any of the Greasytham, and it's probably better we don't know.

30:31

So, Joe clocks that Virginia's got

30:33

a lot going on upstairs. Now

30:36

we love a good historical quote on this

30:38

podcast about women, about their

30:40

looks or about their brains, and this is one of

30:43

these rare occasions where we get both. So,

30:45

Joe said of Virginia, she

30:48

was more than just another set of

30:50

curves. She had a good memory. Oh.

30:54

How the two are related, we'll never know. But

30:56

also she's a waitress, so he's probably

30:59

like, you remembered my coffee head and

31:01

my muffins. Like, oh my goodness. What

31:03

a get, I did order the spaghetti.

31:05

Crazy. You're a genius.

31:08

And also, great boobs. Yeah. Curbs.

31:11

I love the, yeah. Just call them

31:13

curbs. Anyway,

31:16

Joe takes a chance on Virginia. He's

31:18

got this gut feel about her, and

31:20

he welcomes her into the Chicago crime

31:22

circuit. So she is in. She

31:25

starts working as a courier

31:27

first, delivering top secret messages and parcels

31:29

to various mobsters. Guys, she's got curves

31:31

and memory. It's the perfect job. Oh

31:34

my God, is she a genius? Wild.

31:37

She's a very charismatic woman. Like, for

31:39

her to just jump into this and

31:41

be fine with it, she's an interesting

31:44

character. So Virginia showed such an ability

31:46

to keep her cool and to avoid

31:48

suspicion that Joe decided to upgrade her

31:50

role. And it has to do with

31:52

bedding. So this has sort of

31:54

come up already. What do you think her role

31:56

was to help with bedding

31:59

activity? for the mob. Horse

32:02

semen. I

32:04

love the horse semen. Horse semen. No, it's

32:06

not. Oh, I'm so sorry. Excited.

32:10

Yes! I just thought anytime

32:12

there's horse semen in a story, I'm like, oh God, I

32:14

hope that's it. Yeah, they call

32:16

it the horse semen moment in film.

32:18

It's okay. They do. Save the cat.

32:21

You do the horse semen. And

32:24

you can quote me on that. I've

32:28

read horse semen. I've read Save the Cat.

32:30

I'm a great writer. And just love it

32:32

all. I'm trying to think of what, okay,

32:34

she uses her curves to distract the person

32:37

who's weighing the jockeys. So that

32:39

the joc, because the jockeys have to be like

32:41

a certain size, right? Yeah. And she's like, ooh,

32:43

look at my curves. And also I remember your

32:45

name. I remember it. And they're like,

32:47

what? And

32:50

then they're like, well, I guess you're only seven

32:53

stone instead of eight stone. Is that a

32:55

number of a weight? Yeah. Yeah.

32:57

Number of weight. And jockeys are probably

32:59

just that small. Yes. It's

33:02

that small. That is small. And then the

33:04

mob's like, yes, we get our jockeys in

33:06

here. I love this.

33:09

Yeah, it feels like it's gotta be something to do with distraction, doesn't

33:11

it? I think it's,

33:14

she is able to go

33:16

into competitive other places,

33:18

like competitive bars and stuff. And she can

33:20

like sort of flirt with the men and

33:22

get like what sort of their best to

33:25

maybe convince them to bet on things. I

33:27

feel like you're all sort of right, except

33:29

for horse semen. Wow. But

33:31

it is at the track, so I will

33:34

give everybody a point. We don't get points,

33:36

but sometimes we pretend that we do. She

33:39

worked as a honey trap basically at the track.

33:41

So she would get men to come over and

33:43

she'd be like, do you want to put a

33:45

special bed and a special horse? And they'd be

33:47

like, of course we do. And it would be a

33:49

fixed race. Was the horse literally

33:51

called honey trap? Because that does sound like the name of the

33:53

horse. Who comes up

33:55

with horse names? They are just like a

33:58

really wild. This one's called Sir Gullible. I

34:00

bet on that one. Oh he's a sure thing. Which

34:02

is another horse name. And

34:10

yeah so she would get 10% she was basically

34:12

like an agent but she was also tasked with

34:15

helping to start laundering the money so she's working

34:17

her way up and up and up. I

34:19

wrote hello set of curves money laundering for

34:22

some reason. I was trying to help her with her

34:24

brand. Do you remember when you first heard the phrase

34:26

money laundering? I

34:29

just remember as a kid when I first

34:31

heard the phrase money laundering in the streets

34:33

of Chicago I just genuinely was like why

34:37

are people washing money? I had no

34:39

clue. I was like Amelia Bedelia. Did

34:43

you have Amelia Bedelia? She does the most

34:45

literal interpretation of the thing

34:49

so I'd be like laundering money. It's like she's

34:51

like on a watch for money or like she's

34:54

like dressed the turkey she like would put like

34:56

an outfit on a turkey like she was

34:58

very literal. Girls are dumb. No

35:00

they were really mean too. Oh

35:05

that's what I'm sure I thought the same thing. I

35:08

remember being like why would they, how does that work? I

35:12

don't know, tax is on 10. I used to

35:14

work at Nation Mindress as a building and

35:21

I always remember that we had to do stuff

35:23

about money laundering so we had to watch some

35:26

employee videos and I always remember we had to

35:28

watch an employee video about employee fraud and all

35:30

I remember about it is that the video ended

35:32

with the employee that did the fraud in a

35:34

car that went off a bridge into a river.

35:39

Literally I was like is that what you'll do to us?

35:41

Was that a threat? It was so weird.

35:43

And then the great ones show up and

35:45

are like aha. That's like

35:48

scared straight. Yeah. You probably know what

35:50

that is. See I got Americans now.

35:52

If you want to bond the money

35:54

your life is gonna be destroyed. They

35:58

would just show us like horrific. in

36:00

high school about drunk driving, but they would show

36:02

blood, and the guy's head would come off, they'd

36:04

be like, is this what you wanna be? Did

36:08

they ever bring the car around to your

36:10

high school? This is really,

36:12

what they did is they had an

36:14

actual smashed car from a drunk driving

36:16

accident, and it was on

36:18

a tow truck, and they would cart it around

36:20

to different high schools, and you'd be like, we

36:22

had no money. About some people would watch it. I

36:24

gotta tell you, I think that was a non-for-profit

36:26

thing. No, I know. Truly

36:29

the definition of that escalated quickly. We go

36:31

from some minor workplace here or two. Did

36:35

you feel a post-it? Yeah, your life is

36:37

ruined. I got scared straight. Next

36:40

question. Virginia was also tasked. I don't

36:42

know why I went next question.

36:44

Keep it up. On

36:47

task. Drunk women, so

36:49

they cry. Ba ba

36:51

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36:54

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36:56

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was tasked with traveling by plane sometimes

38:49

so that she could get stolen goods

38:51

from one state to another. Your next

38:53

question is, what do you think those

38:55

stolen goods were? I

38:58

think furs

39:00

and minks. I think she would buy

39:02

a bunch of very and jewels and

39:05

I think she would deck herself out

39:07

in gorgeous clothes and walk in like

39:09

Cruella de Vil and transport

39:11

a ton of expensive goods. Do

39:13

you want to know? That's spot on.

39:16

I'm not even going to give you

39:18

a chance. Well done. You would

39:20

wear it in plain sight.

39:22

And that sounds like my

39:24

worst nightmare. Could you imagine

39:26

the upper lip flier? Could

39:29

you imagine just being like, me? I

39:31

can't lie. I can't lie to save my life. I

39:33

can't lie. I can't fly. No,

39:36

I would have a panic attack. And yeah,

39:38

the heat of the... You're

39:40

in a fucking shirt button. Yes, it's my necklace.

39:42

I got it. It was Transylvania. Just shaking, handing

39:44

over. Well, they didn't have IDs back then. The

39:47

security was pretty loose. It was. You

39:50

would have been smoking. Oh my God, I'm getting

39:52

smoke on the things. Good luck selling this. I'm

39:55

sure people don't mind. Anyway, well done. Well

39:57

done. Now, this whole time, Virginia's networking. way

40:00

up and she gets invited to go to New

40:02

York and one of her first jobs there. Well

40:05

I know. Gasp. Have

40:08

you guys heard of it? No, never. It's a

40:10

great tone. You should check it out. I've heard ghosting

40:13

is prevalent and cat calls are prevalent there. All good

40:15

things. Her first

40:17

job was keeping tabs on a guy called

40:20

Joe Adonis. Everybody's a Joe. Why is

40:22

Joe the specific name when he's called Joe Adonis?

40:24

I don't know. What's that focus

40:26

on Joe? No, even Adonis. What

40:29

an incredible name. That's just being

40:31

called Lady Hot Girl.

40:33

I feel like he's definitely. That

40:35

was definitely Lady Gaga. Tammy. Tammy

40:37

beautiful. Lady Hot Girl, Lady. I

40:40

know we'll get there. We'll

40:42

get there. But do you think he's changed his

40:44

name to Joe Adonis? That doesn't feel like a

40:46

name. If you say it with the

40:48

New York accent, I bet it. Joe

40:50

Adonis. I think he probably. I bet.

40:52

That's Chicago. Fuck. Thank you. She keeps

40:54

me honest. How

40:57

would, what's it?

41:00

Donis. I hope he's like, I didn't

41:02

even ask a question. Yeah.

41:04

So he was part of the Luciano

41:06

family and the Chicago. So

41:08

the Chicago outfit basically wanted

41:16

to keep Intel on what Adonis was getting up

41:18

to because they were always tracking each other, always

41:21

buying. So next question, how did Virginia keep tabs

41:23

on him? What do you think her strategy was?

41:25

Oh, does

41:29

she marry him? Okay. Oh,

41:32

that's a really good one. I

41:34

just wanted to keep tabs

41:36

on Toby. So I'm married.

41:38

The only reason you marry

41:41

in your wedding speech. It

41:43

was really stunning. I think she

41:45

takes one of those first and like, does

41:47

a lot of scarfs and becomes like poses

41:50

as a palm reader and is

41:52

like, you know, something that he would be

41:55

like revealing personal secrets to. And she's always

41:57

like, yes, let me look at my crystal

41:59

ball. like come back to 42nd Street

42:01

next week and he's like well the guns are

42:03

kept here and the cash is kept here. And

42:06

she's like mm-hmm. Yeah.

42:11

This story that you tell is better than the

42:13

real case. I want that story. I

42:18

think it's like it turns into like a little bit

42:20

of a rom-com moment and I think like she is

42:22

like I gotta keep tabs on it. I guess I

42:24

guess I have to follow him and then like the

42:27

romance starts budding and she realizes she has

42:30

feelings for him and even though he's a

42:32

job like she actually has actual feelings for

42:34

him and he's like this seems so suspicious

42:36

but but there's something about her it's her

42:38

memory and her curves. Irresistible

42:41

and so and so what was once a job

42:44

for the both of them because they know about

42:46

her ends up becoming real life for them. And

42:51

it's actually a true love story. Wouldn't that

42:53

be sweet? Tell

42:56

us, tell us. She

42:58

has sex with him. No,

43:02

no that's not marriage in my experience. Yeah. It's

43:06

very separate. No, exactly. She

43:08

just cuts right to the table and we're here for it.

43:11

Now she earns a nickname at this

43:13

point because she has worked her way up. Everybody

43:15

knows who she is in the mafia. They admire

43:17

her. So just guess what her nickname

43:20

might have been? Pretty

43:22

Woman. I

43:27

feel like it's gonna be something like Mum

43:30

or Ma. I mean when

43:32

there's like a woman in a thing with a bunch

43:34

of men. It's like when I saw the Tories

43:36

call Theresa May mummy or something like

43:38

that. So it's kind

43:40

of like... Wait, people call Theresa May mummy? I

43:42

think like Tories did. I think

43:45

it was mummy or mother. Or

43:47

Theresa maybe just respectfully. But I think

43:49

she's a proper woman. But

43:52

I think it's probably something like Mama

43:54

Curves. Mama Curves. So

43:58

we've got Pretty Woman, Mama Curves. I feel

44:00

like it's gonna be something, it's like

44:02

Virginia Two Legs. It's

44:04

like a very specific

44:07

descriptor that I'm thinking of in a

44:09

Mae West accent. I don't even know

44:11

if that's the right era, but she's

44:13

like, ah, yes, I'm a Virginia Two

44:15

Legs. Ginny Two Cam. Ginny Two Gams.

44:18

Ginny Two Cam Sam. Yeah, it rolls off the tongue like

44:20

that. So, gosh, I wish. I mean, we all wish she

44:22

was. It wasn't bad though. It

44:24

was Queen of the Gangsters. Oh, pretty

44:26

powerful, it was pretty powerful. I'm not

44:28

that impressed, it's not that original. May

44:30

I say? Well now that we've worked

44:32

shop it, no. Yeah, but also a woman in the gangsters being

44:35

called Queen? What can we call? A woman in

44:37

the gangster. Queen. Yes.

44:40

Now, you know, I'm not

44:42

a woman in the

44:44

gangster. What can we call?

44:46

A woman in the gangster, Queen. Ah, yes. Now,

44:51

he, it's at this point that she,

44:54

you know, she's working hard, she's making money. Sure, she's

44:56

living the dream. She's a single mom who works two

44:58

jobs and works for kids. But what doesn't she have?

45:00

I don't even know if she has kids, nobody said.

45:02

I don't think she ever does have kids. Oh no,

45:04

she does later. Who cares? It's not what defines her.

45:06

It's her curse. You know what, thank you. Thank you

45:08

for that check. It's her curse with her damn memory.

45:10

And let us, let us take a

45:12

moment for that. Her job bearing curse. It's

45:18

at this point that she meets one of the great loves of her

45:20

life. Now, I know you know who

45:23

this is. So let's ask it to the

45:25

ignoramuses of the, I don't know if I

45:27

remember. I

45:29

wouldn't have remembered. Here's your,

45:31

here's your clue though. Big clue. They

45:33

made a movie about him starring Warren Beatty. Oh,

45:39

it's Anne Bennet's

45:42

husband. Right?

45:48

It's not Bennet's husband. Oh, Anne

45:50

Bennet. Is Anne Beddie? Well,

45:53

Warren Beatty was the actor who played

45:55

this character. Give it to us,

45:57

Carrick, come on. Wait, I don't know. It's

46:00

not Clyde. It's not Clyde. It's not

46:02

Bonnie Clyde. No, it's Bugsy Malone

46:06

I wasn't gonna get on the

46:08

moon different. I see Benjamin Bugsy

46:10

seagull. I wasn't gonna get that

46:12

I'm gonna be honest here. I'm here. I'm here to

46:14

be honest with you see all the pressure all the

46:16

pressure is getting to my head And I'm

46:18

not someone with the kids, right? Why

46:26

don't we bring Bugsy back I

46:32

think I like to bring back some of the

46:34

older names. Yeah. Yeah, it feels

46:36

like it's happened for girls names But not

46:38

enough for you know Mobster

46:40

named children Come

46:43

back why aren't parents today saying I want

46:45

my child to be named Al Capone You

46:49

do with girls names you could be like with a guarantee

46:51

there's some kid like eight-year-olds

46:54

called Capone. Oh, yeah I know me

46:56

or Capone. I'm actually gonna call I

46:58

actually just want to call of name

47:00

where we're here together I actually want

47:02

to call Virginia two legs

47:04

as such as a name for a child Yes,

47:06

feel free to use that. Well, please don't

47:09

because I called it. The last name is

47:11

two legs Virginia

47:15

two legs these two Hit

47:18

it off there. It's just fire between

47:20

them. They have sex the same day.

47:22

They meet whoa in the 1940s

47:25

again a historic record Yeah

47:30

Everyone So

47:53

they started a torrid love affairs there any

47:55

other kind I don't want it I

47:58

don't want it. You don't have a non-torrid love of

48:00

affair. You know what that looks like? The

48:03

slow burn. Yeah. Fair.

48:05

I don't know. A

48:07

YA book series.

48:09

We're having kind of a YA

48:11

affair. I'm not sure. The fairy

48:14

came all above the belt. Overgene

48:16

bedding. I volunteered as

48:18

tribute, but it's a lot of longing

48:20

looks and that's about it. Someone

48:23

was not happy about this affair. Who

48:26

might that have been? Joe Adonis. Al

48:29

Capone. Al Capone. One

48:34

of the horses. The horse even is really in

48:36

the horse. It

48:39

was Joe Adonis. She was still having

48:42

sex with him and he was super

48:44

jealous because Bugsy was better looking younger.

48:47

But more importantly, he was one of Adonis's

48:49

best earners. He was basically working under

48:51

him. So he was pissed off.

48:55

He just wanted her working under him. All

48:58

right. All right. I

49:04

just wanted to participate. Hey, we really like that.

49:06

We love you. Thanks.

49:15

That's another American TV show. Everybody

49:20

gets up. It was this kid show with

49:22

this guy called Steve. Right? Oh

49:28

my God. He raised us in a lot

49:30

of ways. He was just alone with animation.

49:32

Yeah. You mentioned being in a studio? No.

49:36

And all of the characters in the show just went, I

49:39

did just make a blue screen. Oh,

49:42

I'm going to have to substitute that in bed. I don't even

49:44

know. Mario. That was Mario. Well,

49:50

I like the combined genre. It's

49:54

for me. Oh,

49:58

Jesus Christ. I'm

50:00

so sweaty I can't wait to watch this video.

50:02

Woo! Look,

50:04

I took the limit, Hannah knows, I break

50:07

into song on this podcast, sometimes I even

50:09

free write some lyrics and this is gonna

50:11

be so not worth it. But, I can't

50:13

wait, how can I support you? It

50:15

just felt like Beyonce's just done

50:17

a Jolene cover and I thought this could be a Jolene

50:19

cover, so it goes like this. Bugsy,

50:21

Bugsy, Bugsy, Bugsy, I'm begging you

50:24

dude, please don't steal my girl.

50:26

Her laundereens beyond compare with curvy

50:28

hips and 30s hair, that's as

50:31

far as I got. I

50:34

didn't wanna change it over with my palette.

50:36

Hey, nice. I really love that, I really

50:39

love that. Can we get some backup track

50:41

tonight? Yeah. Take over the

50:43

airwaves, there are no airwaves anymore. Very

50:46

niche 1930s mobster version of Jolene.

50:48

She's just a bit of, for 30 seconds I'll

50:50

just say, here's the backstory,

50:52

I just need to tell you. Okay,

50:56

Adonis. Punishes Virginia

50:58

for her betrayal. So your next question

51:00

is, what does he do? Oh.

51:05

Yeah, I'm putting my glasses on. No horse semen for

51:07

a week. Lady,

51:09

you cut off. But

51:12

how will I shower? But

51:14

it's so good for my hair. Does

51:18

he shop at the fence? Oh. Good

51:21

answer. Very good answer.

51:23

I think he puts a hit on Bugsy. Oh.

51:27

Hit her where it hurts. Yeah. I

51:30

think he just takes away some of her

51:32

clients. And she, yeah, can't pay her rent,

51:34

which is $2 a year or something. He's

51:39

that boy in the 1930s, it was weird. Sometimes

51:43

I spend entire evenings just looking at

51:45

how cheap stuff was. Like I'll look at old

51:47

menus and it's like, oh, it's two cents. And

51:50

you're like, inflation calculation. I'll

51:52

fill that. I

51:55

love inflation calculations. I

51:57

just imagine like anything before 1940. is

52:00

like a million dollars. Exactly.

52:02

That's how it works. That's how it works.

52:04

Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah, that was in my

52:06

notebook growing up. What

52:09

he does is he cuts her

52:11

salary. Oh,

52:13

you scared me. I was like, what are they putting?

52:15

Not her curve. I was like, what body

52:17

part? It's like, not her curve. I built up the expectation. I did

52:20

a horse theme. You did a horse theme in the moment. I

52:22

liked it. No, he cuts her salary. So actually, KK,

52:24

you were spot on. Suddenly,

52:27

she's broke. She hasn't managed her money very well,

52:29

and she's spending it as she goes. So

52:31

she heads back home to Georgia to regroup for

52:34

a bit, leaves Bugsy behind, but she can't stay

52:36

out of the game for long. Can't keep her

52:38

down. No. So she moves on to yet another

52:40

city. It is LA this time. It

52:42

is Hollywood, where

52:45

nothing ever goes wrong. No. Bad

52:47

things don't happen there. Never. By

52:49

now, Bugsy had worked his way up, and he's

52:51

one of the top mob bosses, and they cross

52:54

paths in LA because Bugsy's setting up a new

52:56

venture. What do you think the new venture was?

52:59

Vegas. Okay. Like, Gambo,

53:01

I think he's like a new

53:03

frontier. Yeah. Okay. Oh,

53:06

a movie studio. Studio. Is it a porn

53:08

one, though? Did she finally get her wish? I mean,

53:10

I hope so. Is this her moment? Is this her

53:12

moment? That could be the name of the

53:14

porn play. Her circle.

53:17

What a sweet

53:20

ending that would be. It was

53:22

a casino. And

53:24

it was funny that you called

53:26

her Virginia Two Legs because the

53:28

casino ended up named after something

53:30

that Bugsy affectionately called Virginia, which

53:33

was the flamingo. Oh,

53:35

Virginia One Leg. To

53:38

be fair, yeah. Maybe

53:40

she always had to pee. She loved

53:43

a passe. She

53:45

loved a leg up on the competition. Okay,

53:47

that's a real hotel that really

53:50

delivers this. It is. If

53:52

you have any questions about how Vegas was formed,

53:55

it's not great. It's

53:58

called the flamingo, right? and make that watch

54:00

pass that and make the other day. Did

54:02

you? Wait, you just did Vegas the other

54:05

day? You did? I mean, it was

54:07

a year and a half ago. But I love the other

54:09

day. That was the other day for sure. The other

54:11

day I was eight. And you learned what money laundering

54:13

was. And I

54:15

learned what money laundering was and I've been washing my money

54:18

ever since. Scrub

54:20

it down. Oh, it's a five

54:22

dollar bill. Okay. I've

54:25

been drinking. I want more music. More music.

54:27

Oh, there's just too much music. Whatever

54:30

the state of her legs. Oh, I'll tell you why

54:32

I put that. What does the state of her legs,

54:34

what does the state of her legs? It's

54:37

because there, I

54:39

read something that said, however, there were some

54:41

accounts that Virginia's legs were actually short and

54:43

stubby. It's like, fuck off. I'm sorry. Let's

54:45

keep it thinking. Can we, can we? I

54:47

know. Fuck off. I know. It's

54:50

amazing. Let her lover call her legs whatever he

54:52

damn well pleases. A man named a casino

54:54

after me? Mazel to

54:56

me. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

54:59

So look, it's a torrid love affair. They're

55:01

off, they're on, they're hot and they're cold. They're

55:04

everything Katy Perry has ever written. If

55:07

they were unmarried at first sight, they would need the

55:09

psychologist intervention. Like it would get really serious. She

55:12

dabbles in a little crime in Mexico for

55:14

a while. She does some drug importing. She's

55:16

building her empire back up. And then in

55:19

June 1947, Bugsy

55:22

has rented this mansion for her that

55:24

she lives in most of the time.

55:27

And Virginia suddenly makes an unscheduled

55:29

trip to Paris. Oh. Four

55:32

days later, something happens. What

55:34

happens? I

55:37

don't wanna go. Because I don't

55:39

know. Gary looks so sad.

55:41

So sad. She makes

55:44

an unscheduled trip to Paris and then

55:46

something. And four days later, something happens.

55:52

She dies because she went to get an abortion in

55:55

Paris. Oh, wow. Oh,

55:57

sorry, it's top of mind. Hey,

56:01

first answer, best answer. He

56:05

dies? Okay. Okay, maybe now

56:07

I'm like really questioning myself. I think they

56:10

put a hit out on him in the

56:12

house that they share and I don't know if

56:15

he dies or somebody else dies because of it.

56:17

He dies. He is

56:19

shot dead in Virginia's. I was right.

56:21

You're right. Yeah. Yay,

56:24

right about a death. Yeah. I love it when someone's

56:26

murdered. By the way, I thought you said there wasn't

56:28

a crime in this story. A murder. I

56:31

forgot that there was a murder. I didn't

56:33

do this too long. I got jaded on

56:35

the force. Yeah,

56:38

he shot dead in Virginia's home through

56:40

the window. The murder was never solved,

56:42

but people have always speculated that she

56:44

was given a tip off because

56:46

why else would a woman who's into

56:48

fashion go to Paris? Yeah.

56:51

That's wouldn't. Wow. So

56:54

never solved. She's starting to get brought

56:56

up on some charges by now and

56:58

she's not ever actually brought down

57:00

in the US for anything. She decides

57:03

to flee instead. So

57:06

she moves to Europe. Okay.

57:08

Yeah. Which is what you do

57:10

when the feds are after you. So she marries her fourth husband. Yes,

57:13

there's been some other marriages there that I

57:15

didn't mention. You know what? We got to

57:17

keep busy. Exactly. She's a trained folklore. Yeah.

57:20

She's a trained folklore. Yeah. Yeah.

57:24

Layer, horses and horse semen.

57:26

Yeah. Who gets into the divorce?

57:30

This is your final question for this case. What

57:32

did Henry do for a living? Her fourth

57:35

husband, Henry Hauser, what did Henry do? Oh,

57:37

Henry Hauser for a living. Is

57:39

Hauser and Wirth a department

57:41

store? I don't know.

57:43

I'm making that up. He

57:45

owned a department store called Hauser and Wirth.

57:48

I love it. I think he

57:50

could say it really wholesome. Like

57:52

maybe he is a farmer. Yeah.

57:55

Turned butter for sure. Yeah. That

57:57

kind of thing. Nice. Because

57:59

she deserves it. He just doesn't have

58:01

happiness, he doesn't have to be, you

58:03

know, doing all these crimes. Okay. Yeah.

58:06

You're thinking along the right track? I think he does have a wholesome

58:08

job. I think he's

58:10

a doctor. Okay. Nice. Does

58:13

anyone remember what I said at the very top of

58:15

the case with this case of the balls? Skiing.

58:19

He's a ski instructor. He's a ski instructor.

58:21

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I know,

58:23

it's lovely. And they do, it's happy for

58:25

a while and then it's really, really sad.

58:27

Oh no. I know. How these

58:29

things sometimes go, but they live peaceful in Austria for

58:31

years. If anything, it went downhill. Hey.

58:34

Oh. Black diamonds. But sadly, in 1966,

58:36

Virginia is found dead, aged only 40, from an

58:38

overdose of sleeping pills.

58:48

And rather dramatically, she's found

58:51

outside in a snowbank and her coat

58:53

was folded really neatly next to her

58:55

with a note that simply read, tired

58:57

of life. Oh no. I

58:59

know. It's a heartbreaker. There

59:02

has also been speculation that there may

59:04

have been foul play, but

59:06

again, as is so often the case in these mob

59:09

cases, nothing was ever investigated. So it's

59:11

a tragic end for a very

59:13

complicated woman, but Defo, somebody

59:15

with more than just curves. So

59:17

let's hear it for Virginia. Oh, Virginia. Virginia.

59:20

Virginia. Virginia. So this is just a funny

59:23

thing. If you Google the name Virginia Hill,

59:25

the first thing that comes up, it just

59:27

says American Courier. Yeah.

59:30

She delivered a lot of stuff. Did

59:33

she? You think that was all she

59:35

did? Did she also testify in court?

59:37

Or did she actually? She did. She,

59:39

there was like a big refuse to give anybody

59:42

up, but she had to testify in this huge

59:44

federal trial against Mobia. And there

59:46

was like all this. There's amazing. I think she's,

59:48

there's like a couple of amazing quotes of her

59:51

leaving being like, you think I'm going to reveal

59:53

what I'm, what I know. And then that's like

59:55

when she flies away. That's exactly. But

59:57

she's like, she's like very, and there's, I think cause they

59:59

didn't. have a lot of people testify at that time,

1:00:01

right? So it was like she was, they forced her to,

1:00:04

her hands were tied and she still gave up nothing. And

1:00:06

all the other guys were like, it was him, it was

1:00:08

him, it was him. And she was like, not me. No,

1:00:11

I'm immovable. She's amazing. She

1:00:14

pretty much had the means. But then she was

1:00:16

like, see ya. I gotta go. I'd love

1:00:18

it as a friend, to be honest. Like, you know the

1:00:20

friend that you know you can tell your secrets to, but

1:00:23

not going to tell them to someone else. Yeah, but I think she

1:00:25

would use it against you. Yeah, she probably

1:00:27

would have done it. In a pinch.

1:00:29

Do you think like Virginia, Virginia's

1:00:31

not for Virginia? Yeah. I

1:00:34

think Virginia's looking out for Virginia. Virginia's looking

1:00:36

out for number one. Yeah, she's, she had

1:00:38

to look at her upbringing with maybe nine

1:00:40

siblings. Yeah. Drunk women,

1:00:42

sold in crime. We

1:00:45

have just enough time to solve a listener

1:00:47

crime. And would you believe it? This comes

1:00:49

from Kay in Vienna, Austria. Whoa. What?

1:00:52

I don't know. I still save it up for this one.

1:00:54

Skiing is f-o-l. So

1:00:59

Kay, oh boy,

1:01:01

I just really like this story.

1:01:03

So here we go. I grew up in

1:01:05

rural Austria where mugging isn't a thing. Oh,

1:01:08

during an exchange semester I was living in

1:01:10

Dublin and the shortest way home from college

1:01:13

was through a dark and narrow alley behind

1:01:15

the Guinness Brewery. I was going

1:01:17

home late and at the mouth of the

1:01:19

alley there was a tiny ragged woman with

1:01:21

deep purple rings under her eyes, a leg

1:01:23

in a cast and crutches. I couldn't understand

1:01:25

her thick accent but I

1:01:27

made out that she was trying to get

1:01:29

to the hospital. No problem, I said. It's

1:01:32

right through that dark alley. She wrote that

1:01:34

in all cast. I offered

1:01:36

to carry her piggyback. Side note, I have a

1:01:38

spurger so this did not strike me as

1:01:40

weird at the time. She just

1:01:43

decided that she would give a piggyback to

1:01:45

an old woman. I gave the old woman a piggyback

1:01:47

to go to the hospital. Amazing. So

1:01:49

I put my backpack with my laptop,

1:01:51

my passport, all my money and my

1:01:54

camera on my front, hoisted her on

1:01:56

my back and off we went. In

1:01:59

the alley. I was like, oh. In

1:02:01

the alley, suddenly two men holding empty glass

1:02:03

bottles came towards me out of nowhere. I

1:02:06

was stuck with this tiny lady on my

1:02:08

back, but there was no way I was

1:02:10

leaving her. Then all of a sudden, the

1:02:12

woman starts talking to them. No.

1:02:15

I still don't understand most of it, but

1:02:17

I made out, got yourself a ride, and

1:02:20

then both men started laughing, and

1:02:22

the woman joins in. My

1:02:25

heart was pounding, and I'm wondering, is this

1:02:27

how I die? I decided

1:02:29

to laugh with them. Also,

1:02:31

I should mention, my low-cut jeans were riding

1:02:33

down my butt, and I was unable to

1:02:35

voice them up because I was holding the

1:02:38

woman's legs. The offs, the offs. Everything turned

1:02:40

out OK. I carried her all the way

1:02:42

to hospital, pulled up my pants, and ran

1:02:44

home where I broke down crying. Oh.

1:02:46

Had I narrowly escaped being mugged, or

1:02:48

was it all just a coincidence? P.S.,

1:02:51

the woman thanked and blessed me at

1:02:53

the end. Of course, he didn't. Wow.

1:02:57

Isn't that a great story? That's

1:02:59

incredible. What? I'm so sorry that

1:03:01

happened to you. But

1:03:04

I also thank you for the story. I think

1:03:06

she's in on it. There's kind of a genre, and

1:03:08

maybe this is because we've been traveling recently, I feel

1:03:10

like there's a genre of TikTok

1:03:12

videos about how to

1:03:14

avoid pickpocket schemes, that it seemed

1:03:17

kind of complicated, and that I

1:03:19

feel like my aunts on Facebook

1:03:21

will share and be like, you

1:03:23

have to watch out if somebody

1:03:25

is holding a turtle, because that

1:03:27

means they're going to sell you

1:03:29

into sexual slavery. And you're like,

1:03:31

what? That escalated too

1:03:33

quickly. You

1:03:35

got to hear from a turtle. I

1:03:38

feel like the

1:03:40

one side of this is somebody being like, watch

1:03:42

out if an old lady gets on your

1:03:44

back, because then you might get

1:03:46

like almost mugged. It's called petaling

1:03:48

as well. She's a shell. I'm

1:03:52

confused by the purple bags under her

1:03:54

eyes. That feels like it's amazing. You've

1:03:56

never been to Ireland. No, I'm just wondering if it's set up.

1:03:59

Is it like? nice stage makeup where they have

1:04:02

like you know those like old cake

1:04:04

palette and we're like you know when

1:04:06

you started and when you did your

1:04:08

first play and all the boys had

1:04:10

to wear eyeliner yeah yeah anyway purple

1:04:13

someone drew like really intense bags oh

1:04:15

you think she might be in on all this

1:04:17

like a setup I think I well

1:04:19

the way can we go back can we go back

1:04:21

to the reading where what did she because they were

1:04:23

making jokes with her and they said got a ride

1:04:25

yeah like they knew her and she

1:04:28

was laughing with them while they came up with empty

1:04:30

but I felt for a ride is all she made

1:04:32

out from the conversation yeah I thought they

1:04:34

were all in on it together yeah but

1:04:36

she was trying to entice people into the

1:04:38

alleyway because she says oh it's just doing

1:04:40

this alleyway come to the alleyway yeah I

1:04:43

mean because she's done that kindness

1:04:45

of going hop on the back then

1:04:48

they were like well we can't they're like

1:04:50

cancel cancel yeah think about the like think

1:04:52

about the logistics of the backpack yeah

1:04:55

the body we're like she couldn't

1:05:00

like she put her back on the right

1:05:02

so she couldn't necessarily take the straps off

1:05:04

without dropping this woman yeah by the way

1:05:07

having our back I think they

1:05:09

came for the bag she had this woman

1:05:12

you know women have superhero strength when they're under

1:05:14

pressure and I think she

1:05:16

couldn't maneuver her bag off but she wasn't gonna drop

1:05:18

this woman so I think the woman was

1:05:20

a part of it and also saved her from being mugged

1:05:23

well we should always carry an old

1:05:25

woman on our back that's the lesson that

1:05:27

I'm gonna walk away I mean that sounds like an

1:05:29

Irish proverb woman on your back woman's been

1:05:32

dead for eight years I think that

1:05:39

the old woman was just like a local

1:05:43

townie who was like hey you two

1:05:45

I I got a ride here

1:05:47

and this I got a whole thing going

1:05:49

I'm getting I'm finally have someone who's helping

1:05:51

me don't mess this up for me yeah

1:05:54

that's where mine she rides off into the

1:05:56

sunset to the hospital yeah but she actually

1:05:58

they were gonna mug her But

1:06:00

she's like I was just

1:06:02

gonna do a terrible accent like not because I've

1:06:04

learned restraint But you

1:06:06

know like guys no I need to get the penny

1:06:09

and Johnny. She's got nothing look at her backpack Go

1:06:14

die that dang River green and let's talk Get

1:06:18

a hobby Well, okay. I

1:06:20

hope that was helpful Okay,

1:06:22

well done surviving a crazy story, but what

1:06:25

a story it is again, and thank you

1:06:27

for the story Yeah, thank you for the

1:06:29

story and also glad you kept all your

1:06:31

stuff. Yeah And for

1:06:33

surviving low-rise jeans that I think that

1:06:35

is a huge shout out Woman

1:06:40

on my back remember the jeans and be like

1:06:42

I'm sorry bit Remember

1:06:45

like it's the night and like I think we all

1:06:47

know that feeling of them Just like riding down and

1:06:49

you'd be like I guess there's no way out of

1:06:51

this No way out of

1:06:53

this like we are plumbers crack and down

1:06:55

I don't know how Britney Spears does it

1:06:57

to this day, but here we

1:07:00

are. Here's all the low-rise survivors out

1:07:02

there Guys

1:07:04

you've been amazing detective and we have we

1:07:07

have just enough time to ask you what

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have you got going on? What

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would you like to plug plug plug plug

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plug plug? Well? We have a show

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while writing a notebook on the Titanic and

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it is a That's the

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whole title yes, ding dong title It's a

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really fun parody show that we're doing

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on tour here in the UK for the next

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until the end of June And then

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we recently decided we're gonna come back to

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Edinburgh We're gonna do

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a month there So

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we're we're doing I think of the tour all

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told is like 50 cities across the United Kingdom

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Which is a lot of cities, you know

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I didn't even know there were yeah well

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Surprise we've got them. We're

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going to them. We're doing

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some outreach. We're doing some

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it us. Yeah, we've had some We're

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in week two of the tour, just finished

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week two, and met some very nice people.

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it is all of your favorite

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fun of them and then also be like, oh,

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I love this part, and oh, I love this

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part. So it's like a

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with Chick-fil-A? So

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sending it up. Mocking reverence. Mocking,

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yeah. A little hint of nostalgia.

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where can people find tickets? You

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your friends. We're on Instagram, we're

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check them out. Our producer has actually seen the

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show, and it was fantastic. We're going to come

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and see it. Hannah and I couldn't make it.

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We're back in London in June. We have a

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full week at Leicester Square Theatre. So you should

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come. You guys, thank you so

1:09:17

much. I've got to wrap us up, but did you

1:09:19

have one more thing to plug? Oh, I was going

1:09:22

to say, the reason I know that true crime story

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is I have a true crime podcast called Truly Darkly

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Creeply. I love that. And it comes out every week,

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and it's true dark and creepy stuff. And it's two

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friends sharing stories. Oh, amazing. Thank you. Thank

1:09:32

you for having me. I'm glad that you

1:09:34

guys came. Thank you so much. I finally

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got my wish of two other Americans. One

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for you. Yay! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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