0:00

Friends, come see me do

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stand-up comedy. I'm going to

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be at Comedy On State in

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Madison, Wisconsin, July 18th, 19th and

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20th, the Helium Comedy

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Club in Buffalo, New York,

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August 8th, 9th and 10th, Side

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Splitter's Comedy Club, August 15th, 16th, 17th,

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and I'm gonna be at the Wilbur, November 1st.

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Also, if you're in Texas, I'm

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going to be doing the Comedy

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Mothership, August 2nd through 4th. I

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hope to see you there. Welcome

0:33

back, friends. Today, the first

0:35

person I ever podcasted with

0:38

is here today, Natasha

0:40

Ligero. All of

0:42

you people from the Lavender Hour days, we

0:44

did the Lavender Hour again. It felt

0:46

like old times. Also,

0:49

I hope that you will go and see

0:51

Natasha while she's out there on the

0:53

road. All of her dates are going to

0:55

be at dunkontrustle.com or a link for you

0:57

to find her and

1:00

definitely check out her hilarious

1:02

podcast, Endless Honeymoon. And now

1:04

everybody, Natasha Ligero. Like

1:08

my podcast table that

1:10

I had, I'd

1:14

moved it out of the studio to clean

1:16

the studio. And then suddenly

1:19

this unidentified stench appeared in the studio

1:21

and started freaking me out. I thought

1:23

it was Aaron's placenta in the

1:26

freezer. But

1:29

it was the dogs, of course, in

1:32

the time the table was out there, like, oh, we can

1:34

piss on it now. And so they just

1:36

pissed on it. And it was like the worst kind

1:38

of stink. Wait, this is so crazy.

1:40

Are we recording? Yes. Because

1:43

one of the things I wrote down to tell you

1:46

is I was having this amazing experience with

1:48

my dog today and they were so cuddly.

1:51

And I was like, wow, this is really what life

1:53

is about. You know, like really

1:55

just like enjoying it. And then I was

1:58

trying to work on painting something my

2:00

kid and I had this like really

2:02

valuable book laid out on my office

2:04

floor over a canvas, like, you know,

2:07

like all laying on the floor and

2:09

my dog fucking pissed on it. She

2:11

pissed, she pissed on the source material,

2:14

the beautiful old book. She pissed on

2:16

the painting. She pissed on my rug

2:18

and she pissed on my drop cloth.

2:21

Yeah, yeah, they get you. They'll get

2:23

you. Like they don't- Is it worth

2:25

it? Is it worth it to have dogs? Cause

2:28

I had that amazing feeling earlier, but if I

2:30

really think about it, I'm like, you know what?

2:32

I think I'll do it, whatever one doesn't have

2:34

piss in it. Like

2:38

maybe I don't need those feelings. It's

2:40

like the combination of

2:43

having dogs and a

2:45

child or multiple children in

2:47

my case, means that

2:49

you have created a chaos

2:51

machine in your life. What it means

2:54

is that for sure, the

2:57

odds of there being any kind of

2:59

peace in the house are far less

3:02

than the odds of something crazy

3:05

happening. You

3:07

know? And so you

3:10

have to surrender to that unless you want to be one

3:12

of those monsters who like euthanizes

3:14

their dogs. Like there's people who,

3:17

instead of moving with their dogs, will

3:20

kill their dogs. They will take

3:22

them to the vet and say, yeah,

3:24

we're moving. But the dog's

3:26

okay? And they're like, yeah. And

3:28

they'll just kill the dog. Like there's people like

3:30

that. I know someone who did that. They were

3:32

Christian. I

3:35

don't know if it's connected to Christianity, but- It's

3:39

not. I just thought I would do all that

3:41

even though. Because I

3:43

was like- I'm glad you mentioned that.

3:47

This is something that's really funny to me. You

3:50

know me, you've known me forever. Are

3:52

you a Christian now? Sorry if I offended you. That's

3:55

what I want to address. I

3:58

have always loved working. world

4:00

religions. I love

4:02

Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity,

4:05

Satanism, black magic,

4:07

the occult, ceremonial magic.

4:11

And I talk about all of them, but

4:14

the only one that I ever

4:16

get shit for online is

4:20

Christianity. Like

4:24

I can have a Satanist

4:26

on the episode and glowingly

4:28

talking about Satanism. Not

4:32

a single, maybe a

4:34

couple of angry Christians,

4:36

but generally just people think it's cool.

4:38

Buddhists, obviously no one cares. But

4:41

Christians, Christianity. If

4:44

I talk about loving Jesus, or I

4:46

think the representation of that is beautiful,

4:49

I get, like Erin showed me this comment

4:51

someone left, which is like, it's her fault.

4:54

It's her fault that he's become a Jesus freak.

4:57

And it's like, it's so

4:59

funny that of all the

5:01

world religions right

5:05

now, the one you

5:07

can really fucking like just go

5:09

after is Christianity and no one

5:12

will call you a bigot. No one will,

5:14

like it's fine, it's cool. You're not supposed

5:16

to talk about it. It's interesting to me,

5:18

isn't it? Yeah,

5:20

but like, you know, they do kind

5:23

of have a bad name. Like what

5:25

do you think about Louisiana making the

5:27

10 commandments outside of every public classroom

5:30

a law, you know, like

5:32

that's what happens when you're like

5:34

fervently for Jesus? Well, no, that's

5:36

just, that's the problem. It's

5:40

like the people who are mad at Christianity, they

5:43

haven't really even looked into it. And

5:46

I don't mean like you need to look into it

5:48

to find the Lord. I'm saying like before you even

5:50

like, you're right. There's

5:52

a lot of representatives of all

5:54

the religions that have done like incredibly

5:58

horrific shit. and

6:00

read the text itself and you realize

6:02

there's nothing in there pointing

6:05

people in the direct nothing in the in

6:08

the gospels says go

6:10

to an abortion clinic and throw a balloon

6:12

filled with piss it's someone

6:14

going to get an abortion there's nothing like

6:16

you find the very worst crimes

6:19

of so-called representatives

6:21

of christianity and then show

6:23

me some scriptural reference that

6:26

backs it up that i haven't been

6:28

able to find that that's why we

6:30

should update religion like why aren't we updating

6:32

it and making it i mean

6:34

i believe in commandments but like have

6:37

you ever read the 10 commandments like they don't

6:39

even really like make sense anymore like i

6:43

think we should have no murder thou shalt

6:46

not kill and no no

6:48

stealing no billionaires those should be the

6:51

only commandments we'd be

6:53

fine you think that's all we need we

6:55

could break it down into um if

6:57

you're gonna post something outside of

6:59

every public school it

7:02

would be kind of cool if well then i guess

7:05

it's easier to break if there's only two rules isn't

7:07

the 10 commandments judaism well

7:10

maybe but some of them are but i think

7:12

it's the christians who are posting it right well

7:14

no everyone likes the jews are not telling people

7:17

to put the fucking 10 commandments in front anywhere

7:19

but the it's what the problem is it's

7:21

like this is like in in there in

7:24

one of the gospels

7:27

jesus is saying like there's many people

7:29

who will like come

7:32

to me at the whatever the in times and

7:34

i and i will say and say they follow

7:36

me i'll say i don't know you like

7:39

that's in there the whole like

7:41

acknowledgement that the thing's going to be

7:43

twisted and corrupted and taken

7:45

over is in there and

7:48

jesus well you know jesus

7:52

of course you should expect something

7:54

great and something like that is

7:56

potentially revolutionary culturally that like up

7:59

ends and invites

8:01

people to not use a priest class anymore

8:03

to get instantaneously twisted

8:05

and corrupted by

8:07

a priest class. But more

8:10

to the point, it's like, dude,

8:14

everyone who attacks me over talking about Jesus or

8:18

Christianity and calls me a Jesus freak

8:20

has not been familiar with any

8:23

of my other podcasts. Am I

8:25

Satanist? No. But do

8:27

I love the idea of Lucifer?

8:30

Sure. That

8:33

doesn't mean I'm a Lucifer freak. It just

8:36

means I recognize the beauty in it, you

8:38

know? And let me ask

8:40

you this. How much does it bother you,

8:42

Duncan, to read things where you feel like

8:44

you're being misunderstood? Does it really bother you

8:46

when you see these comments? No. Sometimes

8:53

it will give me a little bit of an uneasy

8:55

feeling, I

8:58

guess. I mean, it's just sort of like frustrating

9:01

to imagine anyone

9:05

taking the time to leave a comment

9:07

at all. Ha ha ha ha. Exactly.

9:13

I mean- Because, yeah, it's like,

9:17

you want that. Imagine

9:20

no one commented. Right. No

9:23

one cares. It would hurt your feelings.

9:25

That would be the most infuriating of

9:28

them all. I mean, look, as they

9:30

say in Buddhism, some Sara and Nirvana

9:32

are intertwined. You're not gonna get, if

9:34

you want the good, you're gonna get

9:36

the bad. The two depend on each

9:38

other just to exist. So you've gotta

9:40

deal with the fact that if you're

9:42

doing something for people to watch, that

9:44

someone's gonna misunderstand you. But

9:47

it's more interesting to me than it is

9:49

frustrating. It's just interesting to me

9:51

that people

9:54

are comfortable attacking a religion

9:59

that they don't- understand at

10:01

all. They will say, I was

10:03

raised in a fundamentalist family

10:05

and it was horrible. It's like, that's

10:08

not it either. That's one

10:10

sect. That's one branch offshoot of

10:12

it. But you know what I

10:14

mean? People are traumatized. You know, like I just did

10:17

Salt Lake City and the opener

10:19

was so funny and I loved her.

10:21

And then, you know, she

10:23

was talking about her Mormon

10:25

family and they don't really approve

10:28

of her. But she

10:30

seemed like a really good person and

10:32

really responsible and successful. And I was

10:34

like, well, what are they afraid of?

10:36

And she's like, they're afraid when I

10:38

die, I'm not

10:40

gonna get seated at their table. And

10:45

that is making them not wanna

10:47

talk to her in this life. So

10:50

you can see how like, it's

10:52

just twisted. And so. Yeah,

10:55

yeah. And that's the reason

10:58

any of these things, you're

11:03

supposed to do it yourself. Like, it

11:06

sucks. Like

11:09

religious abuse,

11:11

psychic religious abuse is

11:15

so very real and so horrific.

11:17

And just so like, on so

11:20

many levels. Like it's just the, you

11:22

know, think of

11:24

your innocent kid and

11:26

how susceptible they are to

11:28

anything you say. They

11:30

will believe you. And how

11:33

unfair that is that you are challenging

11:35

a being's rational mind with

11:38

a shitty interpretation

11:41

of a bad translation

11:43

of a really incredible

11:45

scripture that's

11:49

inviting people to love each other

11:51

and to directly connect with God.

11:54

Such a tragedy, such a tragedy.

11:57

And Well,

12:01

they need better PR. Yeah,

12:03

I mean... They're bigots. Like, a lot of their, you

12:05

know, there's Christianity is

12:08

behind a lot of the

12:10

movements that are challenging for

12:12

people. Like, you know,

12:14

not wanting people to be gay and

12:16

not wanting people to

12:19

get abortions, you know? These

12:21

are, like, really important to our lives.

12:24

But that's not Christianity's fault. That's...

12:27

And also, I would argue that's

12:29

not even Christianity. Most people think

12:31

they're Christians when they're into what's

12:33

called Paulian theology, which is the

12:35

epistles, everything after the Gospels, an

12:37

interpretation by someone who never met

12:39

Jesus. This formed the

12:42

basis of, like,

12:44

modern-day Christianity. And within that, you will

12:46

find a lot of the, like, misogynistic

12:48

stuff and a lot of, like, weird

12:50

shit. But I

12:52

don't think that that's Jesus'

12:56

fault. I think that... That's

12:58

been pro-abortion. How

13:01

the fuck do I know? I don't know. I

13:03

have no idea. I mean, that... To

13:06

me, like, and maybe I'm misinterpreting it.

13:08

You know, who knows? It could be

13:10

a misinterpretation. But my interpretation of it

13:12

is that the idea would be to

13:14

visit it with the courage

13:17

to not have a middleman

13:19

tell you what it means. And

13:22

then if people became, like,

13:25

real Christians, I don't know

13:27

that you would see the same kind of... The

13:30

main thing is, like, you want to talk about the real religion

13:33

in the world. It's power. It's

13:36

like, you know, somebody could say that they're

13:38

a Christian. Someone could say they're

13:40

Jewish. Someone could say they're Buddhist.

13:42

But if they're doing activities

13:45

that support hierarchy and

13:50

systems that create power

13:53

and balance, then that's their religion.

13:57

That's the religion of the dimiurge. That's

13:59

the not... That's the religion of, like, if you, that's

14:02

real Satanism. It's, you know, any

14:04

kind of thing that, that

14:06

tribalizes and invites aggression.

14:09

And then I don't care what mask you put

14:11

on your aggression. Right? If

14:14

you're still, like, if you're beating me up, but

14:17

you're dressed like Barney, you're still beating

14:19

me up. It's the

14:21

same thing. I think that's

14:24

the way we wanna talk, like, there

14:26

is it. Like, the conspiracy theorists, when

14:28

they talk about a secret religion, they're

14:32

almost hitting the mark. It's

14:34

just, they're saying, well, they are worshiping Moloch. It's

14:36

like, no, it's a religion

14:38

of power. Any, whatever it is you're

14:40

doing. If it's, and Christianity

14:42

is like, look at

14:44

the final spoiler alert. Hero

14:47

dies in the end. He lets

14:49

them kill him. He doesn't

14:52

fight back. He doesn't invite

14:54

his followers to attack. He doesn't

14:56

say, we're gonna do a riot. He

14:59

lets them kill, he lets them kill him.

15:02

So how the fuck does that get translated

15:04

into war? How does that

15:06

get translated into violence? How does that get

15:08

translated into bullying? I

15:10

don't know. I

15:12

don't get it. Like, so to

15:14

me, that's the, I

15:17

think when people are critiquing Christianity, what

15:19

they're really critiquing is power. They're

15:22

really critiquing classism.

15:24

They're really critiquing all

15:26

the things that lead to the real problems. Well,

15:30

I'm sorry I started you on a

15:33

Christian tirade. Praise the Lord. I've

15:36

been really enjoying your Disneyland

15:38

rants. Oh God. Your solo. I

15:44

hope that you have another one in you. Oh,

15:46

I do. I have volumes.

15:48

I could do a whole podcast

15:50

just like, rebuking a Christian word.

15:54

Rebuking those who would go to Disneyland

15:56

as an adult. And I love, I

15:59

love that. That the the

16:01

the anger that

16:04

that inspired was really

16:07

Really funny to me that like so

16:09

many people got so upset by that

16:11

it was completely unexpected to you man

16:13

completely unexpected It caught me

16:15

real like do you like Vegas?

16:19

Yeah, now I do in my old age I

16:21

do But I figured

16:23

out how to do Vegas Like

16:25

what's the secret? Okay, so you go to when

16:28

I used to go to Vegas You'd

16:30

end up in Vegas right and you try to do the

16:33

like you try to

16:35

do the chased Person

16:37

at an orgy, you know

16:40

the people right like oh my goodness

16:42

an orgy I will never partake in

16:44

this orgy Never

16:46

and so so I would do that thing.

16:49

I'm not gonna gamble. You know how you

16:51

went in Vegas by not gambling I'm not

16:53

gonna gamble you know what I

16:55

mean that bullshit and Then

16:57

I realized how it you know,

16:59

don't go to an orgy if you're not gonna fuck

17:02

Don't go to Vegas if you're not gonna just

17:05

get on your knees and suck

17:07

the devil's cock. You gotta fucking Go

17:10

evil and like if you go to Vegas

17:12

let it seduce corrupt you destroy you and

17:14

then you'll have so much fun If

17:17

you go there you'll lose like five grand at

17:19

minimum. Yeah, you do that. You'll win it

17:22

back eventually I

17:26

went there I went there to do shows

17:28

and I brought my husband and my child And

17:31

so they kind of hung out and did their

17:33

own thing and like within two hours of being

17:35

there My daughter was like this

17:37

guy like pulled down his pants at the

17:39

pool and was showing everyone his butt And

17:41

he was just like this wasted guy It

17:44

was like two in the afternoon And my

17:46

daughter was like is what's wrong with him

17:48

and Moshe's like he's drunk and she's like

17:50

what's drunk Are you drunk

17:52

am I you know and

17:54

so now she learned what drunk was just

17:56

from being there like an hour And then

17:59

the other day when we got got back, she was like, so

18:02

women get paid to take their clothes off? Oh

18:04

no. And I go, what? Who said that? She

18:06

goes, you said that. And I go, I did?

18:09

And I guess she kept asking me, what is

18:11

this woman doing? Because it was like strip club.

18:14

You see it everywhere. And

18:16

I'm regretting taking her. But

18:18

also, one of the things I wanted to ask you is

18:20

because Moshe wanted to take her to a Grateful Dead show

18:22

at the Sphere. And I'm curious if

18:24

you would take a six-year-old to see the

18:26

Grateful Dead. No, I

18:28

would not. Really? No.

18:31

No. I mean, it's not for like, sadly,

18:35

it's for selfish reasons. It's like

18:38

I would not take a kid to Vegas. And the

18:40

reason that I'm not taking a kid to Vegas is

18:43

because if I'm going there,

18:45

I want to become a

18:49

horrible idiot hedonist.

18:51

I don't want to

18:54

worry about parenting

18:59

in that situation. So that's why I wouldn't do

19:01

it. And similarly, if I'm taking my kid to

19:03

the Grateful Dead, I

19:06

don't want to deal with the inevitable 10 or 15 minutes

19:09

in. I want to go.

19:13

This is bad. Why do

19:15

you listen to this? I don't like this

19:18

music. Bring back Jerry. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

19:20

I love the new iteration of the dead.

19:22

I've listened to them. I think it's great.

19:25

But I understand in my

19:27

old age, loving the Grateful Dead, that the

19:30

majority of people hate it. I get why.

19:32

I don't even try to convince anybody anymore.

19:34

It's just like, look, I listened to this

19:36

when I was in high school having a

19:38

great acid trip. It clicked for me. Now

19:40

I like it. It's not going to click

19:42

for you. So that's why I would not

19:45

bring my kid to the Grateful Dead. I

19:47

would bring my kid to a Blackpink concert.

19:50

I would bring my kid to Taylor Swift. I

19:52

would bring my kid to something

19:54

that was palatable and doesn't require

19:57

the right dose of psychedelics to

19:59

even. like catch what it

20:01

is, you know? Like what are you

20:03

doing? You're gonna hurt the

20:06

kid in the sense that like they're

20:09

never gonna ever like the Grateful Dead.

20:11

If you take them to a Grateful

20:13

Dead concert sober,

20:15

which obviously you're gonna do. Right,

20:18

okay, I just wanted to get your take on that.

20:20

I mean, I think it's noble. I

20:22

don't, maybe you're, it could be that like,

20:24

I'm just saying like I've been attacked

20:27

for my musical taste by the oldest

20:29

now so many times that.

20:32

Like your child? Oh my God,

20:34

he's brutal with me. What does he wanna listen

20:36

to? Cause my kid like only wants to listen

20:38

to female pop singers

20:41

that are out currently. Yeah, he's

20:44

into that. He's into that. He's

20:46

into, God, what is the

20:49

name? It's some, Aaron

20:52

played him some DJ. What's

20:55

that DJ who like died? He was really

20:57

famous. You know what I'm talking about? Like

20:59

Avicii, Avicii. There's some,

21:01

right. He's like, he

21:03

likes that. He likes Blackpink,

21:06

K-pop, and I just,

21:08

and he likes Heavy Metal. Like I introduced

21:10

him to like this incredible band

21:13

that you should play for your

21:15

kid called Baby Metal. Which

21:17

is K-pop meets Heavy Metal.

21:19

And it is the funniest.

21:22

It's so good, dude. They're so good,

21:24

but so weird. But yeah, he

21:26

likes that stuff. And it's really cool to be

21:28

on the other side of

21:30

the equation now where like my mother

21:33

would just torment me with like John

21:35

Denver. And it meant so much to

21:37

her. I

21:41

hated it. And you could see she's having

21:43

an emotional reaction to some song and that

21:45

would make you hate it even more. You're

21:47

like, oh God, she's getting moody now because

21:49

she's listening to, God,

21:52

what's another one she liked? James

21:55

Taylor. Oh God, she's getting moody. Here

21:57

we go. So yeah, it's cool to be on the other

21:59

side. the other side of that and witness

22:03

like, yeah, this sounds terrible to you, I

22:05

bet. You hate it. My

22:07

daughter wants Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga.

22:10

I introduced her to Beyonce, so now she

22:12

likes Beyonce, but she's always like, can I

22:14

hear Taylor Swift? And I'll just play Lana

22:16

Del Rey. But like, you know, and

22:18

then, cause she can't read,

22:21

but the Taylor Swift, cause I don't

22:23

listen to Taylor Swift, but then what

22:26

Moshe was doing was he was like, you know,

22:28

the algorithm picks it up and he

22:30

would play songs for her and

22:32

she would be like, skip, skip, skip. And

22:34

every time, like clockwork, if it's a Taylor

22:37

Swift song within five seconds, she's like, keep

22:39

it, keep it. What's the song called? And

22:42

I'm like, nothing has even happened. Like

22:44

it was like five seconds in. So

22:46

yeah, I think that there's something happening.

22:49

And so she wants to

22:51

listen to that. And yeah, I

22:54

tried. Maybe it'll switch again. It will. I

22:56

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in psychedelics

24:53

there's always a really dumb argument that

24:55

springs up. The argument is what's better

24:57

mushrooms or acid right and some of

24:59

us think acid some of us think

25:01

mushrooms and it's just a ridiculous

25:04

conversation or ridiculous argument. But

25:09

this is the same argument regarding Taylor

25:11

Swift and Lana

25:13

Del Rey which is people

25:16

will thinking that they have

25:18

like are better than Swifties will

25:20

put on Lana Del Rey as some kind of.

25:22

Is this like a famous thing. No I'm telling

25:24

you now that you said it because you're like

25:26

I'll try to play Lana Del Rey now I

25:28

get it. So this is the

25:31

this is the idea Lana Del Rey

25:33

is some kind of antidote to Taylor Swift

25:35

Taylor Swift is for kids if you listen

25:37

to Lana Del Rey you

25:39

are you

25:42

sort of like there's a little bit more sophisticated like

25:44

Lana Del Rey speaks truth whereas

25:46

Taylor Swift is kind of like

25:48

garbage. But

25:51

I think they both suck. I'm

25:57

ready. And

25:59

I love Jesus. I think

26:08

I'm allowed to say that because I admitted that

26:10

I like the Grateful Dead. So anyone's opinion of

26:13

my musical criticism, I know

26:15

Lana Del Rey must be great and I know

26:17

Taylor Swift must be great. And the same way,

26:20

like I know roses still smell

26:22

like roses after I got COVID. I just

26:24

can't smell it anymore. And

26:26

so yeah, but I

26:28

feel like both of them are,

26:32

like they really annoy the shit out of

26:34

me for different reasons. Well

26:39

thank you for your candor. I'll have

26:41

to check out Babymetal. Oh,

26:46

what about Kidz Bop? Because she'll

26:49

want to hear, they're like the sanitized

26:51

versions of all the songs. And

26:54

yeah, I just feel like, I think we

26:56

can just like not do it. Like

26:59

if they want to request songs, like at what age,

27:02

you can't keep doing that, huh? Keep

27:04

doing what? Just say no,

27:06

I'm in charge of music. No, you

27:08

can't do that. You could try. They

27:10

control the Alexa. It was all

27:12

downhill after they figured out they could talk

27:14

to the Alexa. Like I'll be in the

27:16

middle of like listening to like, I don't

27:18

know, David Bowie and some like sad hope

27:20

that they're going to like David Bowie. And

27:25

like 30 seconds in, you

27:27

know, play Taylor Swift, Alexa, play

27:29

Taylor Swift, which Erin loves because she

27:31

likes Taylor Swift. It's inescapable. Like if

27:33

you have kids, you're just going to have to

27:35

deal with like whatever pop music is. Like

27:38

you're going to have to revisit it and listen to it and deal with it.

27:41

I guess I appreciate Moshe's 50s dad style

27:43

because he's like, you are not allowed to

27:45

change the Alexa. You know,

27:47

I appreciate that too. I think that's like there's

27:49

so many things you tell

27:52

me about him. That's freaking cool.

27:54

And like the Grateful Dead aspiration

27:56

is like beyond cool. It's heroic.

27:59

Like. like

52:00

addicted to Elden Ring and she notes we're going

52:02

on vacation and I need to fucking work. She,

52:05

I need, it's good. I need someone to be like

52:07

Duncan, you gotta stop

52:09

man, you gotta stop. You

52:13

know, but and it's. I think Erin

52:15

probably can run a pretty tight ship. She

52:17

seems very capable. Yeah, but you know. I'd

52:19

like her to run my life every time

52:21

I talk to her, I'm like yeah, I

52:23

get pumped to do stand up. She's very

52:25

encouraging. Oh, she loves you. But that's, I

52:27

think, so I just don't think anyone

52:29

needs to be in charge all the time. I think we

52:31

need to figure out a way to let some people be

52:33

in charge some of the time. I don't know how you

52:35

do that, because I'm a comedian, I'm not a mathematician. I'm

52:37

not gonna invent a political system, but. But

52:40

you can't deny the sexism that exists

52:42

with like trying to control women's bodies.

52:44

I mean that, I do feel if

52:46

there was more women in making

52:49

the decisions and the laws, that wouldn't

52:51

be the case. This is why I

52:53

brought up that gag that

52:55

you did, is because that's the commentary

52:57

that I saw that's like brilliant and

52:59

so simple and so like, you

53:03

didn't really even have to say anything. It's

53:05

just the ripples that produced are

53:07

indicative of just what you're talking about. And

53:10

again, it's like the thing

53:13

you're talking about was baked into the

53:15

system before most men living today were

53:18

born. And it has

53:20

its roots in madness. So

53:22

yeah, totally, absolutely. The

53:25

woven into any modern day system of governance

53:31

is something that has

53:33

its roots in a time when no one even imagined

53:36

giving a woman power. And

53:39

we call that the good old days. And

53:41

then what happened? Ha ha

53:43

ha ha ha ha

53:46

ha. What was your question

53:48

for me? Oh,

53:50

well, you know, you are one

53:52

of the smarter people I know. And

53:55

you just took down my

53:57

entire argument for the matriarchy, which I still am.

54:00

How about temporary matriarchy? Let's figure out

54:02

a way to take down

54:04

the patriarchy and

54:09

take down all arcies and find

54:11

a way to create some more

54:13

collaborative, temporary system of

54:16

experimenting with power that allows

54:18

all kinds of groups to

54:22

be in control here and there. And

54:26

let's try that, it'll never fucking happen because most people when

54:28

they get power don't wanna get rid of it, that's the

54:30

problem. But I didn't, I get what you're saying. I

54:35

didn't dismantle, I just said it's a utopian vision you

54:37

have, you have a utopian vision that's very American of

54:40

you. You have a vision of

54:42

some utopia where things would be better. I

54:44

think it's great. Look, I'm up for it.

54:46

Maybe family units, maybe it's like getting away

54:48

from the nuclear family. Maybe it's like women

54:50

living together in villages and the men just

54:53

have to kind of like help

54:55

us when we need it, almost like

54:58

a task rapid or something. Communism now,

55:00

you're talking about communism. Dismantle

55:02

the nuclear family. Look,

55:06

it could just be that we

55:09

live in a flawed reality

55:11

that anybody who assumes

55:13

the role of leadership is going

55:15

to inevitably be warped by the

55:18

responsibility and there's no way to

55:20

fix it other than just like,

55:24

I don't know, leave the planet. I just did a podcast

55:26

with a scientist saying we gotta get off the planet. Okay,

55:29

well that kind of has to do with my question. So

55:32

first of all, what are the chances that

55:34

we are like headed towards like complete

55:37

chaos like at the end of the year and also

55:39

what should we do until then? Are

55:41

you talking about the elections? Yeah,

55:43

like is, because now we know

55:45

it can happen. Like, you know,

55:47

like what do

55:50

we do now to

55:52

prepare ourselves or do you think everything's

55:55

gonna be fine? Don't let the state

55:58

infiltrate your fucking. consciousness, that's what you

56:00

do. Recognize that if you are too

56:03

caught up in the melodrama of

56:07

the United States government. Disconnect

56:10

a little bit from it more than we did

56:12

before. If it's making you sick, stop doing it.

56:15

I think back to every

56:17

single election

56:19

cycle and

56:24

how absolutely vile everything

56:27

is in the lead up to the election. It's

56:31

always like this, the fervor,

56:34

the different

56:37

forms of aggression coming out

56:39

of everywhere.

56:41

Everyone trumpeting all

56:43

kinds of aggression, whether

56:46

it's from the left. A lot of men doing that, huh? A

56:49

lot of men and women, everyone.

56:51

It's like government

56:54

nerds, basically. It's these people who've gotten

56:56

their identity so wrapped up in the

56:59

US government that they

57:01

depend on an alignment

57:03

of the state to

57:05

feel safe. That is

57:08

just to me an incredible distortion

57:11

in the sense

57:13

that- It's horsepucky. That's

57:16

the word I was going for.

57:18

It's horsepucky. It's horsepucky because you're

57:21

not safe. No matter

57:23

who's in charge, you're not fucking

57:25

safe. It doesn't matter. Especially- You're

57:31

saying if someone tells you you're safer, you think

57:33

you're safe, you're still not safe, so it doesn't

57:35

really matter. Not in LA. How long does it

57:37

take the cops to get anywhere in LA? I've

57:39

heard that you called 911 and you have to

57:42

leave a message now. I've heard they want to

57:44

send drones to your house instead of cops. I

57:46

don't know if that's true or not, but it's

57:48

like one of the great illusions people live under

57:50

is that if someone, like, if they got a

57:52

home invader they could call the cops and the

57:54

cops would come right away. It's like, you're not

57:56

safe. That's not going to happen. been

58:00

in a place where like chaos broke out. And

58:02

it's like, you're not safe there. No one's coming

58:04

to save you. And the whole

58:07

fallacy of freaking out over who's gonna

58:10

be president is based on

58:12

this notion, I need to be

58:14

saved. I need the state to protect me. I

58:16

need the state to keep me safe. Didn't keep

58:18

you safe in the pandemic. Didn't stop the

58:20

pandemic. Didn't save all those people

58:22

who fucking died of COVID. They weren't able

58:24

to shut the borders down fast enough. They

58:26

could have, but they didn't. So

58:29

it's like the state moves slow and

58:31

makes mistakes. It doesn't matter. And

58:34

I might sound like a nihilist here, but

58:36

it truly doesn't matter. And like you

58:38

could be president Natasha. I would vote

58:40

for you in a second. No interest. That's

58:43

cause you're smart. I barely wanna

58:45

be a standup. Come on,

58:47

are you joking? Do you really not wanna be

58:50

a standup? I do feel

58:52

a strong urge to recede into

58:54

the ether though. I

58:57

just wanna disappear for like two years. You

58:59

can't anymore. I know, the

59:01

urge to recede. Oh

59:04

my God, I feel it all the time. That

59:06

would be so nice just to melt into a,

59:08

just to sort of like gradually

59:10

fade away into obscurity and just

59:12

blink out. Like, but you

59:14

can't now you have kids. You gotta keep it

59:17

moving. You gotta keep selling

59:19

those tickets. You gotta keep doing it.

59:22

All right, well, come see me on tour. My

59:25

dates are on my Instagram. Wait,

59:28

what's your next date? Just in, what's

59:30

your next date? I actually not,

59:33

I'm not exactly sure, but I'm going to some really

59:35

cool places. I think I'm going to Boston. I'd

59:39

have to look Providence. Everybody.

59:42

Places that sound nice to me. Natasha

59:45

Lajero, it's one of the best comics out

59:47

there. Definitely go see her

59:49

perform. She's incredible. And

59:51

I'm so lucky that you came on the

59:53

show. Thank you so much, Natasha, for giving

59:55

me your time. I really appreciate it. Anytime.

59:58

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