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series becoming experience.

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The fascinating an untold story of

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Queen, Elizabeth the first younger years.

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Series premieres June 12th,

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only on Starz and the Starz app

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when Megan and Harry spoke

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with Oprah Winfrey you back March 2021,

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Megan did something that needed a bit

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of explanation to many Americans.

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She called the royal family, The

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Firm

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i don't know how they could

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expect that after all of

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this time we would still just silence

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the of their have an active role

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that the from a slight in perpetuating

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falsehoods about us and

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is that come with

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and it used to refer to the royals as

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a sub which makes it sound

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very businesslike and it kind

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of his so this point

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in the series we've explored the dynamics

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at play among the wins as and their relationships

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but the moniker isn't just

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a family it's an institution

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monarchy and if you like it requires

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scenes of course his and sauce watching alongside

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the principles to keep the palace machines

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smoothly running behind the scenes and

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it's not a thing the family normally talks

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about in public in fact the

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term can be traced back to king george the six

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queen elizabeth father he

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supposedly told a person a cambridge back

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in eighty two

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that the royals are not a family

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where affirm oh and

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for as uses the phrase and speech

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whopper train towards the sex

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the family's been reduced to those do is

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the basis of all creatures we've

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become access

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the not a family were from isn't any

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moment some of us may be able to work

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many european monarchies have fallen

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over the course of sentries the british

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royal family has survived the

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nearly a thousand years and

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perhaps that's because it operates

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like a some

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the understand the royal family you

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really need to understand the business and

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how it's organized

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episode will hear from robert his out

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on how much influence the queen really has

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and will speak with princess diana's

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former private secretary patrick justin

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who shares what it's really like to

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work for the some and you and rarely

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break down the crown's finances

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and explains just where the money come

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from

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i'm katie nicole and i'm aaron vander

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has for vanity fair this is dynasty

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the windsor's episode eight

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the psalms that soldiers really

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controls the clown there is quite

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a lot of money isn't there yet aaron

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says so much

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money

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sometimes when people say the some

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said just talking about the working

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members as the family that's

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behind a big names are hundreds

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of people who make up the royal

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institution those same

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as buckingham palace balcony photos

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actually worked pretty well as an orange art

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for the from it's headed by the monarchs

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who stands in the middle

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although the queen or the core group of

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working or else the press calls them

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the magnificent seven charles

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camilla satan william sophie

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in edwards and and

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the help decrease duties support the monarchy

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and a general variances

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then there are lots of discreet

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looking faces you might not recognize historically

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they've been referred to as the men in grey

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suits

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the expression men in suits teams

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being used and a derogatory

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way to describe i suppose caught

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use of people are numerous

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patrick jackson who was princess diana's

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private retrieve the suggests

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there is

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it's rather shadowy organization that

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makes royal people do things they

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don't want to do that couldn't be

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further from the truth

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the curve cause he is contractually

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bound not to speak publicly about

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what they do the having

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about that some of my best to

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sit there and a fool because he is because

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they have seen the to workings

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of the royal family and know how it really

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operates which makes that insight

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so valuable and

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while demonic he is a large scale organization

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but the queen acting queen acting

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think of her as ceo it's

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not the case that the queen is the sole

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decision maker those men in

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gray suit so they can i just point out that

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there are lots of brilliant women at the palace

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these days they play

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a really vital role in the day

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to day running at the palace machine the

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royal household is not a

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single command and control organization

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some directly from the talks you i think

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that the queen assists in a sort

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of mission control room and decides where everybody

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goes in what they do actually it's more of

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a federation and everybody morales

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decides how they are going to

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interpret their duties as duties as their own family

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it is awful as family and family

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members are left to interpret their roles

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pretty much without direction

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from above

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the most important broyles a known as principles

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and they have their own households and

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their own agendas it's a hierarchy

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based on the line of succession of the scale

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of royal work as he might expect wow

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the various households have the same goal

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which is of course the forcing her majesty the queen

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it can get competitive these

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social the units are named after the royal residences

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where their operations are based the queen has

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buckingham palace prince charles and camilla

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have clarence house and kensington palace

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is currently william and kate but in two

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thousand and fourteen it was decided to

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merge the clarence house and buckingham palace

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press offices but shortly afterwards

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they went back to of racing is two different

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departments the idea of being

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in house or in this case in the palace

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together made sense financially

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but it didn't work and i think

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it was because parents house is always

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operated lead to buckingham palace

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they have different principles different

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agendas and different ways

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of doing things i , being

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told by one cause here at clarence house

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how they would put so much effort into

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prepping and promoting an engagement compared

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to buckingham palace who's press office

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would do very little comparatively

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when the queen was turning off it was a case of

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it's the queen's alex pr do we really

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need to do but more time and

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energy was needed to go into charles

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and what he was doing when you look at buckingham

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palace on top and clarence house and kensington

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palace and all that underneath underneath

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a bit like an umbrella company with a bunch

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of subsidiary ventures yeah i

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think that's a good way of looking at the air and buckingham palace

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his aides teeth and every one ounces

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to the to and it's a business

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as an i t service desk as an hr

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department budgets both says

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the in a plethora of saw that's unlike

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other types of businesses were the main

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goal is profit the goal

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of the royal institution is the promotion

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and smooth running of the mauna kea

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primaries send it to keep the

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royal engine moving assisting the royals

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and completing their constitutional duties

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and their public engagements but

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the tricky and this and is ensuring

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the royal family's popularity which is

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of course crucial to it's

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survival and that takes an unwavering

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commitment to to see from the royal themselves

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but also the experience of

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their highly skilled staff you

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mention those constitutional duties

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one of the elements of this the can get confusing

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and it's especially unfamiliar for americans

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is a way that the royal establishment overlaps

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with the government the queen has lots

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of symbolic in

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terms of real ah she has next

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to none

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robert his hours professor of government

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and constitution at university college

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london

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famously it's been said that the queen rains

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but she does not rule everything

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the queen does she does on

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the advice of the government to the day it's

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been said that she has just three right the

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be consulted to encourage and to

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warn and , does

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that in a weekly audience with the

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prime minister whoever league goes

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to see her one evening and buckingham palace

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palace nobody knows what

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influence she might have because

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those meetings with the prime minister are

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completely prevent and no record

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is kept the weekly audiences

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one main part of the drop the other

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two are key the up with government business

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and attending various events

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that now elusive nineteen sixty

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nine royal family documentary you

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see the queen going through her red box of papers

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thinking about them and sign them before giving

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an award to poet robert graves and

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going out on the town degree regular citizens

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this is what's it us to the government and her family

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as a part of this so

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there are a total of a thousand to two thousand and

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events easier definitely something

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the queen cannot do on her own

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this is what the working

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rails do they share this load and

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divide up these engagements and the people

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who work for them facilitate this so

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this is no ordinary job

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how did you even find people who are qualified to do

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this for traditionally many

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of the royal aids come from aristocratic

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or military background patrick just

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and for example followed military path

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to join the whales households in

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nine in eighty eight

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there is a tribal

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of loyalty between the british armed forces

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or the monarchy when i joined the navy

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i was commissioned and be commissioned

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officer means that you are exercising

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authority in the name of the crown

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is , than just says symbolic the

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british government exercises military power

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in the name of the sovereign british

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soldiers and sailors and am and sites

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the queen's enemies not the prime minister's

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enemies

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two years as an inquiry which is a military

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aid his cysts a working royal

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patrick nice up to one of the most influential

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roles in a royal household private

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secretary

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the difference between an aquarium to private secretary

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is actually quite significant

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in royal organizational

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, it into crates

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really to chief of staff in american tense

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you are there to run your

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royal bosses program their

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lives

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for patrick his job came along with

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many challenges and a lot of excitement

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i'm as

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david problems lord puttnam that have

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you any film producer said to me you are

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the producer of the diana shed and

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, a pretty good interpretation of my

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job is diet is private sector it wasn't

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entertainment it wasn't celebrity and have important

10:43

constitutional functions but i

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was there to make it all happened both teams

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in effect see the canvas it

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didn't happen or if it didn't happen properly

10:52

it was my fault even it wasn't my

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for favors is one of the pursue

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the job you're there to absorb all the bad

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news as well as enjoy

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the good news

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so the private secretary or the top

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tier advises to the royals that's

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a really important job and they are

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very close the principles because their

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job is essentially to strategize

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and plan then they're the communications

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or press secretaries who deal with pr

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and the media

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according to know that even though they are all under

11:23

the umbrella of the palace to some extent

11:26

these households don't always the here collaborate

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the principal has their own secretaries

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and they're employed personally i'm really they

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work on different teams in fact sometimes

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the royals themselves communicate to the secretary

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is which has it's problem the as well

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as it's benefits

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in december two a routine harry wanted to speak

11:44

to his grandmother about some of the problems that meghan

11:47

are having in a palace he said

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that he kept trying to schedule meetings with queen

11:51

butter secretary canceled on him

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katie it will be like you and i just spoke

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to each other through our predict sex which will be very

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strange and it was

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five or patrick yes and discovered

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when he but

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princess diana's private sector traits

12:05

back in nineteen ninety princess diana

12:08

knowing that she and prince charles

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well set on separation us

12:13

with a leave the navy and joins

12:16

the household permanently to set

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up and run her office up to that point she

12:20

had had that shared office with the prince

12:22

the wales we were supposed to be one

12:24

big happy family now he went from

12:26

these happy family and sign of wanted

12:28

her own her wanted office she

12:30

said to me scientists were going to go conquer

12:32

the world and so that

12:35

made it relatively easy for me to resign from

12:37

the navy and start what i consider

12:39

it was gonna be my lifetime career

12:42

working for her she was not don't

12:44

forget always going to be princess

12:46

of wales used to to be queen diana

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and might have been queen diana at diana moment's notice

12:51

and my job is to help her prepare

12:54

for that role as so that estate

12:56

preparing someone for that sort of role isn't

12:58

more task was even princess diana

13:01

was a mixture

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of really

13:07

demanding daily grind making

13:09

a complicated program with smoothly

13:12

follow appeared

13:14

obviously to be very accessible to be very

13:16

spontaneous but that require

13:19

an awful lot of work behind the scenes series

13:21

this notion the dynamism have casual

13:24

about things like sen

13:26

correct that she knew her protocol to

13:28

her fingertips what you saw

13:30

was when she decided to relax it there

13:33

was a conscious decision to not be as

13:35

he didn't understand the importance of radical

13:37

voice value in promoting her

13:40

and the royal bread

13:48

when you think of the monarchy you think of wealth

13:51

the crown jewels splendid

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palaces and estates worth

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millions of pounds exactly

13:58

and without a things

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feel the same who would the queen

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bee without her pearls

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the queen may not own all of the finery

14:06

personally the crown jewels for

14:08

example belong to the nation's as does

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the royal collection of paintings which are

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held in trust for the public's but the

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queen controls it and overseas

14:17

the upkeep

14:18

of course the money to fund the all of the work

14:20

of the monarchy has to come from somewhere and

14:23

controversially that include some contributions

14:25

from the british taxpayer

14:27

the royal family costs about

14:29

one or two pounds per

14:32

person per year

14:34

you and rally a british investment banker who

14:36

has some first hand knowledge of aristocracy

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and

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bit of time at balmoral and

14:43

at windsor and that okay palace

14:46

and i guess i've

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seen i've seen in action we said

14:50

the beatles and would they can run around

14:52

with a great park and we don't have t with

14:54

the queen mother afterwards

14:56

you know a better understanding of the

14:58

workings of the royal family than And was

15:00

able to talk us through how the Royal finances

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work on

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i the whole,

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the central member

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of the Family Stone money-grubbing, then

15:13

I'll trying to accumulate but

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I think I think the queen has a sense of duty i think

15:18

she has unimaginable wealth, but

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I don't think she would ever try to monetize it.

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The

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queen is given in a single payment by

15:26

the government, every year, cool to Sovereign

15:28

grounds. Now, in 2021,

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this amount was set at 85.9

15:33

million lb. Think about

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it at the equivalent of 1.29

15:38

per person in the uk

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for the ground comes from the profits

15:43

of the crown estate. A prophecy

15:45

business owned by by the one up but run independent,

15:47

I think it's Oscar race

15:49

horse and quite a of Regent

15:52

Street in London, the royal

15:54

family typically receives 15%

15:56

of the estate's income every year and

15:59

the rest. the british treasury

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the ground that the queen receives which

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is called the sovereign groans is used

16:05

by the queen and other members of the royal family

16:08

for official expenses that's

16:10

south coast travel housekeeping

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and maintenance costs it also

16:15

covers the upkeep of occupied royal palaces

16:18

in return there's the argument that they contribute

16:20

to the wider economy and other words

16:22

they bring interest in a legal filing

16:25

to does is authentic lawyers estimated that her

16:27

twenty eighteen wedding the prince harry contributed

16:29

one billion pounds to the british economy

16:32

so i think that people come to england for

16:34

sure because they like

16:36

a fucking palace and they want to have different

16:39

wrong experiences whether it's going and seeing

16:41

you know the queen's pictures in the royal collection

16:44

next to buckingham palace or whether it's standing

16:46

outside buckingham palace and palace and

16:48

the changing of the garden and cutting spending money

16:50

at having tea at claridge's or whatever whatever

16:53

it is you know low low end or high end

16:55

i think i'm the royal family absolutely

16:58

is perceived as being a draw

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i'm a commercial draw globally

17:05

despite the return the money going to public

17:07

alone can't cover the lifestyle that

17:09

we assessed

17:09

the queen was bottom but

17:12

the sushi indulges herself in resources

17:14

and things and so there's some luxury along

17:16

along the way

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this is where does she have lancaster

17:22

that's the queen's privates estate

17:24

comes in

17:25

the central ownership that she has

17:27

is his land and buildings and

17:29

and she owns a good chunk of the

17:32

country the dutch he is basically

17:34

big tracts of land force in

17:36

the duchy of lancaster and what's our own

17:39

and eight you know in some other holding and

17:41

what's belongs to the the country

17:43

i'm not exactly sure i was delighted

17:45

and i think that's it it's there's some deliberate

17:48

of discussion that's because

17:50

think by traditions as a british

17:52

person we understand that the royal family

17:55

lives in a certain amount of luck freaks the

17:57

pomp and circumstance is central

17:59

to the whole concept of monaco

18:02

and you from this the money they make needs

18:04

to be

18:06

the queen aren't around twenty million from israel properties

18:08

each year

18:09

that's a huge amount of money but

18:11

the duchy of lancaster is over sixty

18:13

thousand hectares of prime real

18:16

estate some of which is in london

18:18

and the most valuable as the savoy a state

18:21

which is in the capital then again

18:23

the queen has many mouths

18:25

the in some cases she gives

18:27

house to their own children have seen people

18:30

who are in line to the throne

18:33

are prioritized and prioritized think

18:35

there's a sense beyond that beyond that

18:37

are gonna have to look after themselves now

18:39

though prince charles has been financially

18:42

independent since he was twenty one the

18:44

as the duchy of cornwall

18:46

that's a private fortune that he has helped grow

18:48

into a nearly billion dollar business

18:51

but the queen's three other children have depended

18:53

on some combination of their mothers large

18:55

mothers government funding and

18:57

the money they made in their own careers

18:59

there and it's just as well the prince of wales

19:02

has made of ah sports scene because when it comes

19:04

to his sizable entourage

19:07

quite specific because he likes

19:09

to travel the world

19:11

was his hop player goes with

19:13

him and his what a colorist

19:15

goes with him and there's a whole retinue

19:17

of people more about the the

19:19

usual household expenses the royals

19:22

after the break

19:25

the queen you know

19:26

the girl you don't the new

19:28

stars original series becoming elizabeth

19:30

gives you are the rare look at the early life

19:33

of queen elizabeth the first after the

19:35

death of her father king henry the eighth

19:37

and long before she sends the throne

19:40

i didn't find yourself in the throes of a royal

19:42

power struggle along with her

19:44

siblings mary and edward the air's are viewed

19:46

as near pawns in a game seemingly controlled

19:48

by the great families of england and the powers

19:51

of europe who vie for control of the country

19:53

as the court and the world will ultimately

19:56

see real power comes to those

19:58

who sees it experience the monarch

20:00

younger years and becoming a the

20:02

mirror in june twelfth only and stars and

20:04

the star that

20:10

the from also known as

20:12

a monarchy eggs are the public's

20:15

faces of an estimated twenty

20:17

billion dollar empire the

20:20

goodwill of the people as essential

20:22

the maintaining that empire and this

20:24

is helped along by making sure the royal brand

20:26

continues to have a strong public

20:29

image

20:30

and and involved in up in a hospice

20:32

charity and east anglia children's hospice

20:35

with william and kate in oaks

20:38

put tons and tons of tons a nice i'd post

20:40

a dinner for the charity which was

20:43

predicated on she gave some money

20:45

here you'd be invited to go to the in

20:47

a black tie events and i

20:49

wanted to tell you what it's like to be in

20:51

that moment whether giving a party at

20:54

you and rally again we had this black

20:56

tie dinner and or hundred and twenty people

20:58

and we were told how to divide into groups

21:00

of ten and so was so whatever

21:02

it is twelve groups of ten people in each of

21:04

those groups had a host and the

21:07

understanding with half the groups would have fifteen

21:09

minutes with state and the other half would have

21:11

fifteen minutes with william and they really

21:14

working right that singing for supper

21:16

very very deliberately that i'm

21:18

spending moments with each of these groups and

21:21

he has quite fun talking to william

21:23

isn't an aston villa supporter we talked

21:25

about football's and either that's and magical

21:28

experience to have that just that's so they

21:30

work they weren't really weren't really

21:32

and in a whether it's visiting schools or

21:34

visiting injured serviceman

21:37

i think most people in the uk

21:39

believe that most to the

21:41

royal family members are earning

21:43

their keep the

21:45

can't be seen to be a drain on the public

21:47

purse and so they make a big show

21:50

of paying their fair share it's

21:52

why the queen decided voluntarily

21:54

it's pay income tax starting in

21:56

nineteen ninety two and ever

21:58

since the nineties the rules the much

22:00

more transparent about their finances right

22:03

yeah absolutely they now publish their

22:05

financial records annually and

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we get to see every penny and

22:09

how it spent so once a year

22:11

by ghosts are pretty long nice in at buckingham

22:13

palace with the keeper of the privy past

22:15

season charge of royal budgets and

22:18

he takes us the purses press through

22:20

every bit of the royal family's

22:22

expenditure smell as he would expect

22:25

that goes up with events like royal

22:27

weddings and important overseas

22:29

tours i was that was that travel

22:31

costs because they're a good indicator

22:33

of who's the blessing the hardest and it's

22:35

not surprising that most is

22:38

prince charles top that list with the highest

22:40

chapel expenditure that's because

22:42

he was the hardest or did he

22:45

know one of the most expensive forms

22:47

of travel is the royal train it's

22:49

apparently the queen's preferred mode of

22:51

transport because it's comfortable and

22:53

luxurious and get this she has a special

22:55

stepladder said that her cookies can

22:57

get on and off the train ah

23:00

to be one of those corgi since

23:02

i know it's it's a life of luxury right custom

23:04

made stepladders no less

23:06

butts joking aside value

23:09

for money is he to

23:11

the mauna kea a survivor or and one of charles

23:13

his biggest preoccupations ethically

23:15

about the future and why he believes

23:18

a streamlined mauna kea that cost

23:20

the taxpayer less is the only way

23:22

that the royal family can really survive

23:24

in the future so despite

23:27

the cost of customs up letters the queen

23:29

really is known for her fidelity

23:31

she's actually been known to keep the same

23:33

barbour jacket for decades at a time

23:36

occasionally getting it repaired

23:37

the same hasn't always been said about

23:40

other members of the royal family andrew

23:42

spent so recklessly and private planes that

23:44

he was actually nicknamed a or miles

23:46

andy he and his former wife

23:49

sarah ferguson only just settled a reported

23:51

six point six million pound debt on

23:53

a ski chalet in switzerland

23:55

i think the rope on his is hyper sensitive to

23:58

drift are not being seen to be too

24:00

extravagant the

24:02

must be a balance the i tried to have to behave

24:05

in a way that demonstrates

24:07

that they are the royal family

24:09

but they similar tennessee have to bathe in a way

24:12

that demonstrates that they recognized

24:14

the health and wellbeing and

24:16

and and and more limited means of many of

24:19

the subjects k

24:21

to had really good press for dressing

24:23

somewhat modestly and

24:26

and i think there is there a little tricks that

24:28

different family for our family members

24:30

used to try to seem appropriate there's

24:33

been quite a lot of coverage which

24:35

is not an accident about

24:38

the prince charles having his suits

24:41

mended keeping his suits for

24:43

thirty years now and again this

24:45

is a bit in congress right because he likes

24:47

to travel the world

24:50

with his heart player goes with

24:52

him and his what a colorist

24:54

goes with him and as a whole retinue

24:56

of people but that but

24:58

he likes it be known that he doesn't want the

25:00

toothpaste tube toothpaste tube thrown up his

25:02

same asleep falls the toothpaste

25:04

tube up to the entrances notes

25:07

wasted toothpaste soap star

25:09

player but he doesn't waste

25:12

i'm like you and me however charles does

25:14

have a staff that attends to his every need

25:17

the legend goes that when he broke his arm playing polo

25:19

his trusty valet would squeeze toothpaste

25:21

on to his toothbrush every morning

25:24

that might surprise you that he does actually have

25:26

a sega entourage than many other

25:28

members of the royal family his

25:30

mother's mother's to take the opposite approach

25:32

and i think most people be surprised by how small

25:34

the cleans entourages and how low

25:36

maintenance the mana cats of years she

25:39

reportedly go there and the palace turning

25:41

out the lights just to save money and

25:43

when she's not on official duties and not

25:45

on the rail train she travels around and

25:47

relative mana see in a car

25:50

the been does she been to church with the queen

25:52

in scotland and she has one or two

25:55

protection officers with her and she drives up

25:57

to a church in us in am

25:59

and landrover

26:00

the winners do love to drive their land

26:03

rovers they can look as normal as

26:05

say their fellow land rover fans

26:07

the middle tens and they can

26:09

look patriotic while they're at it

26:10

mr located the there she isn't a huge

26:13

compared to what you see with a with a politician

26:15

traveling in in the us they

26:18

pride themselves on being a bit understated

26:20

in that are

26:22

and the reason for this need to prove they're deserving

26:24

of public funds smell like so

26:26

many things with race i saw you can bring

26:28

it back to diana

26:30

i think done to change everything actually and i think

26:32

the think diana was the first

26:34

one who said is really important

26:37

that we modernize and act more like human

26:39

beings who have jobs otherwise we won't be accepted

26:41

forever and nor should weeks and that

26:43

was very painful even for the queen for sure

26:46

you know i think she's probably the best thing that ever happened

26:48

to the royal family is a sad been done

26:51

then know then the whole enterprise

26:53

would have been seen as entirely legitimate by

26:56

be a portion of the population

26:58

the loudest advocates for changing the from

27:00

or an ocean away eating

27:03

in a bit more consumption now after

27:06

meghan in harry spoke to oprah plenty

27:08

of people behind the scenes objected to their

27:10

portrayal of the from and even a factual basis

27:13

their complaints

27:14

i know the team sussex was more sneakers

27:17

and suits but do you have any insight

27:19

into exactly what went wrong between the couple

27:21

in the palace staffers getty have you got

27:23

an hour for another podcast and i

27:25

think

27:26

ultimately they didn't like being dictated

27:28

to by the some

27:30

they wanted their own household which they got

27:33

but they didn't like being under the control of

27:35

buckingham palace

27:36

honestly sounds a lot like the work situation

27:39

at kensington palace in the nineteen eighties

27:41

the for diana join the family charles

27:43

staffers were already pretty frustrated

27:45

with his disorganization his like

27:48

overly broad set of interests

27:50

and his tendency to go rogue and

27:52

company features

27:54

after the wedding everything got so

27:56

much worse staffers reason

27:58

to the way that they were dragged into the

28:00

discord and after a few years

28:02

a handful of charles his longest serving courtiers

28:04

resigned and the marriage is kept getting

28:06

worse

28:07

the metaphor of men in suits or as

28:09

the shadowy halls of power to fall flat

28:12

when you recognize that all of these jobs

28:14

regardless of their particular rolls

28:16

and titles come down to meet in the royals look

28:18

good and i think is a speech

28:20

to the true name the of the royals power

28:23

the foundation rest and the shifting sands of public

28:25

opinion and everybody from the queen

28:27

down to the palace a social media managers

28:29

understand that that's the not so

28:31

easy job of the palace pr team the

28:34

comes offices chief role is to

28:36

protect

28:37

reserve and promote the royal family

28:39

and it's nh which is everything but

28:42

even with all their wealth and the

28:44

best cause the has money can buy there

28:46

was some problems money just

28:49

couldn't say

28:51

and the next episode

28:53

we'll take a closer reacting

28:56

scandal and

28:57

more problems of money can't solve i

29:00

think it already has really tarnish them

29:02

i mean they are scrambling i don't

29:04

think they know how to handle it and they haven't

29:06

the referee well i mean if i said he

29:08

did that interview where he made

29:11

certain denials that have since

29:13

been proven false i mean

29:15

it's each show use it as they have not

29:17

only a public relations problem that they have a credibility

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