0:01

I'm Brendan words Public Defender about me

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to county. And. As episode of air

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have contained explicit language, please be advised us

0:07

may not be for every listener. Can.

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You tell me the first time you felt like

0:21

you dressed like a gang member and tell me

0:23

what you are wearing and what it felt like.

0:26

Our now I was in elementary school and

0:28

out of. I can

0:31

swear at a pair of khakis.

0:34

Likely sir and a car

0:36

Croker Sacks and of blu

0:39

ray I could affect factor.

0:43

So. Nice to do you

0:45

remember any it is. No.

0:48

No, I tell. I only have remembers

0:50

Croker Sacks. That was the first time I heard the word croker.

0:52

Sacks to Iona who this

0:55

is okay. So how did pool

0:57

one out of the bugs? That. Sounds like

0:59

it was done on the phone. There

1:01

was there is that they are into in

1:03

ice is Mary Davis phone gave it away

1:05

we interviewed him for the book. I

1:08

never put that in to the

1:10

book. Okay, Hrs day. And I

1:12

always can't feel my my like Year we'll put

1:14

a story out there one day. that Croker. Sacks

1:17

thing I hear her say like this flat

1:19

can't his shoes. Regular canvases but they did

1:21

top of it is like I don't want to

1:23

say potato sack material but his state that war

1:25

type in a real you know we looked at

1:28

him just recently there was like seven dollars back

1:30

in a day but now and a like two

1:32

hundred hours slush com everybody here and say the

1:34

was a cheap she lot of Kmart. Yeah,

1:36

okay, I'm looking at dictionary. Other ones the

1:39

blue and these Days and his

1:41

wounds. Vintage gang attire. Okay,

1:43

I'm afraid we're getting very far away from

1:45

Larry Bios. It has no interest in Cook

1:48

A Sack is, but we should have listeners

1:50

why you're pulling this mystery tape. Out

1:52

of our archives. Yes, this season.

1:54

Season thirty an idea came up

1:57

dead nicer than I should do.

1:59

Episode. That we don't kill each other about exactly

2:01

open access to many friends. so it to be

2:03

a surprise soon as we get in the studio

2:05

see and we'll lay it out. I love

2:08

this idea de think it's we can continue

2:10

the season. Ah yes, yeah. And

2:12

so Larry you know we'd interviewed

2:14

him for the book like four

2:16

years ago and always kept historian

2:18

my my for me I know

2:20

are episodes get played and juvenile

2:22

hall so as my way of

2:24

saying hey you contains no give

2:26

up and down to be as

2:29

it is type assume you know.

2:31

So today for my mystery episode

2:33

the Return of Larry Davis okay

2:35

I'm. So into this url and I'm glad

2:37

you brought him up again And I remember that

2:39

interview. For really need to do

2:41

him a solid i'm nine so forth. And

2:43

I'm Allow Woods and this is pure

2:45

hustle from Pr exes radio to be.

2:54

So. Nice. When. I was growing

2:57

up in a gang world. Larry was like

2:59

a ledge. Specially. In

3:02

the prison the dressing know him or

3:04

tissue just know another him now because

3:06

he was imprisoned when I was growing

3:08

up. you know I represented a gang

3:10

witches in only sad a loss as

3:12

was it was called the East Coast

3:14

Cribs hand Larry He was probably one

3:16

of the most known members from the

3:19

gang. He was like real like prison

3:21

dangle xenon I'm saying like he had

3:23

a sentence of a hundred and eighty

3:25

years to life which is why I

3:27

was like a big deal and a

3:29

surprise to a lot of people when.

3:31

This happened a few months ago.

3:35

On On and on. The so it's a u. S

3:42

Services. Videos as him

3:44

getting out of prison does not

3:46

wearing Croker sacks nice lampoon with

3:48

some as yeah don't like her

3:51

obeys Puma for lower time soon

3:53

but around glasses like like it

3:55

take intelligence bias and and he

3:57

has on some slade homeless and

3:59

his. Are you carrying a

4:01

white garbage bag? And

4:03

medium sized slice of black

4:06

falter as it. Is

4:08

were. You

4:10

How many years increasingly. Seven use. Use

4:14

one millimeter D insulin, Prison Hill

4:16

in tune with me and of

4:18

course of the all the who's

4:20

elation and happiness we can record

4:22

in him to Bruce Lee. Where'd

4:25

you go? he wanted to go to. I

4:27

hope. I've. My. Name's

4:29

Larry David. Sadistic. Twenty seven

4:32

years were five tons of

4:34

robbery or this was released

4:36

this morning and thirty or

4:38

was treated to I'm Up

4:40

at Ten Thirty and during

4:42

a brief is the word

4:45

Turkey sauces, pancakes, Have.

4:48

Scrambled eggs and know some

4:51

as rounds and was used.

4:53

In the delicious. So.

4:56

Ever since I peeked larry up at the

4:58

gate. I've. Been going down

5:00

to see I'm in Southern Cal or

5:03

cap in hand with a mobile phone

5:05

talking to him about his story and

5:07

you know cause he's a good friend

5:09

and a very interesting guy and I

5:12

do want to see him succeed. He

5:14

and he went he met you are on his see

5:16

really invest in your friends. So doesn't surprise me.

5:20

And. Masses Question in Niger Deputy as

5:22

to. Do

5:25

you recall how your mom's mail. Yes,

5:29

Mans you smell like Zamili.

5:34

My mother love dragons M

5:36

E O A man this

5:38

is as as a good

5:40

with similar to the who's

5:42

Jameel A Nasa a bourbon

5:44

see stay intoxicated man and

5:46

I never really understood was.

5:50

When dad is as to what was her

5:52

experience like as a child. She

5:55

said they're going up. You

5:58

know, see a spin? Is racism

6:00

Most her life in Alabama? she grew

6:02

up in early forties. She will always

6:05

want to be a teacher's. For

6:08

she was unable to go to school because

6:10

they had to pick kind in and she

6:12

had to turn the other people home said

6:15

look after of other people. Key is. She

6:18

was seat is out of well a childhood up

6:20

brain. She

6:23

met my father and

6:25

my father courted her.

6:27

Convinced her to come

6:29

to California. To

6:32

see afford to it was she never

6:34

wanted names. And my

6:36

father left her as a young

6:39

lady in California as she became

6:41

better. On

6:44

and have a father growing up,

6:46

man inside and know how to

6:49

navigate through society norms. I

6:51

was antisocial men are this was

6:53

fear been exposed man as a

6:55

fairly. En. Esas

6:57

Oh man. So my whole life I've

6:59

been living in fear. You

7:05

know, I think a lotta guys feel

7:07

like that that they didn't have a

7:09

great upbringing or didn't have parents around

7:11

or whatever reason. And one of the

7:13

ways that you handed it is by

7:15

being extra tough on our son and

7:17

as will Larry did. When.

7:20

I became a part of the gang. How

7:23

you know was are ready to the king of

7:25

my elementary school. A

7:27

little was a at at at A so

7:29

as in one ear Buddy grew up is

7:31

always a key to school hours. we can

7:33

you tell his lives a t you to

7:35

school so King in school is where k

7:38

nobody had to school whip you Everybody at

7:40

the school is scared a you. When

7:42

you walk around is like moses spread it

7:45

to see. You always

7:47

had a king of some school

7:49

that the king and a school

7:51

at Russell Elementary School was deck

7:53

for Make now. King

7:56

of school that went to ninety second

7:58

was Li and. Junior the

8:01

schools I am mehrabad was was my

8:03

quarreling. James Allen. Amazing!

8:06

You've ever saw those names or it's.

8:09

Good that we be averse. The king

8:12

of my elementary school I was me

8:14

at an know fights know where he

8:16

remembers I did detail have a kingdom

8:18

school. And I remember

8:20

bullies. I said I would have

8:23

called them bullies. Yeah, but I.

8:25

Don't. Remember their names that was like if you

8:27

I'm telling you it was like the the

8:29

world champ like the books and sale bad

8:31

to school A everybody knew to games but

8:33

was. Like a my wrong to say was

8:35

a police. Not necessarily a bully ensues so

8:37

my lead people couldn't be to at. Or

8:42

would lily in elementary school and I

8:44

was a junior Moscow. In

8:46

everybody knows that is the absolute

8:49

truth Abner boasted about it but

8:51

I'll tell you have fought hard

8:53

to get their title. Is

8:56

crazy how you doing. That was like the

8:58

tide of ahead. I was like the press

9:00

enter the United States has getting you to

9:02

school. But.

9:05

You know, Larry started young, you know

9:07

and this was the beginning basically of

9:10

his daily activity And you know how

9:12

staying life starts. He attracted the attention

9:14

at a local, creates chapters you know,

9:16

and we do. and again you know

9:19

you gotta prove you down. This.

9:21

Is a hard story right? So.

9:25

One of those are my neighborhood

9:27

Rise May was Zf and he

9:29

was always breaking the people houses.

9:33

I worked for this lady. there

9:35

was a heisman to a trap

9:37

and so she let me get

9:39

on a truck were and so

9:42

ice cream. The

9:44

So: when they're Jfk Mice and men, legless

9:46

corn Britain's Lady house to get some ice

9:49

cream. Growing up poor,

9:51

hungry and I'm tigers who? Good

9:53

idea man. you know, manfred give

9:55

you some V Re. Not.

9:58

Enjoy that. The lady

10:00

taste the ice cream out of

10:02

the truck and put it in

10:04

the freezer up. Taking the ice

10:06

cream stays in the truck right.

10:09

So. We've broken the grass when in the

10:11

threat is no ice cream and threat. He

10:15

said his in a freezer a May we are going to freeze may

10:17

get it. So he

10:19

sent me to to win. So when I

10:21

go in the window. See

10:24

right here looking at man s of

10:26

sister had an hour rhinoceros the bag

10:28

doing so she knew who are worst

10:30

police came got me rest me from

10:33

Barbary. She

10:38

arrives a woman. Who.

10:40

Was caring for hand and trying to

10:42

get a better i make him an

10:44

image out any or objects. Few

10:47

China rather. Ira eyes and

10:50

say find a view. That

10:52

nest assholes. So.

10:54

That was one first things I did

10:57

to prove myself be a point is

10:59

this game called. That. Was

11:01

a point of mine is yours. And

11:03

to become and point of they circle. He

11:07

took responsibility at least. He

11:09

said the when he didn't or assess

11:11

assess what I mean he did he

11:13

had to prove and I'm dale I

11:15

guess yet to hear it for you.

11:17

Either side is that recently rights. As

11:21

when you were a kid wouldn't

11:23

you think games where art thou?

11:25

Gangs were a group of individual

11:27

mandate demanded respect and I thought

11:29

they was manly. I thought it

11:31

was courageous brave. I thought they

11:33

was protectors of enable her Not

11:35

Rock Day was the best thing

11:37

ever. Man and life. Sauerland,

11:41

I wonder if part of the

11:43

reason you're interested in Larry is

11:45

it it scene of really. To.

11:47

Some of this rate like any new grew

11:49

up around gangs to and I wonder if

11:51

you looked up to guys like this like

11:53

what are your memories of them. I.

11:55

Remember So my first memories of

11:57

see in gang members a work.

12:00

The east coast Christian at a time.

12:02

They recall the Sackboy crypts and they

12:04

were just like some cool older do

12:06

you know he was ill and we

12:08

were kids. you know how over there

12:10

they was probably like nineteen eighteen some

12:12

like that and we was probably like

12:14

seven. And everybody's to hang out in

12:16

Elementary during the summer time because they

12:18

gave us free lunches, summer lunch program

12:20

and s what you see a lot

12:22

of them said as the of the

12:24

a good of course getting a free

12:26

verse. Ah, but as you realize

12:28

that fire they. Get nothing like army

12:31

least it was a hangout they are

12:33

sit near bump in a music album

12:35

is be a dumb zap right you

12:37

know is is on out. you didn't

12:39

really like hang when I'm with you

12:41

hung out they was over to do

12:43

a new person dies what were they

12:45

wearing Most of them the color of

12:47

my label who was blue to crips

12:49

and they are have all like either

12:51

khaki soon so I'm Croker Sacks of

12:53

course song was they see add some

12:55

war the brim hats most tag golf

12:57

as to mimic and the military has

12:59

had logo. Have club the here nets

13:01

over a Here are some that have

13:03

perms. will have big rollers in a

13:05

here you know is it serves as

13:07

were there any women with America sometimes

13:09

year me know they are be sitting

13:11

around dance and you know do and

13:13

they sit and you know Larry he

13:15

would have been one of them kids

13:18

that was in their group down ah

13:20

the A gambling and listen to Parliament

13:22

Funkadelic the whole giddy up you know.

13:26

There may I got. Tattoos behind

13:28

my ear lobes. Men: No

13:30

fears, no tears And are

13:33

Sf so. You. Know

13:35

I was prepared to die.

13:38

But. In actuality how was

13:40

in fear or were. Of

13:43

a lot of things may I was in

13:45

fear I'm not been accepted. I.

13:47

Was in fear of failure. I

13:50

was in fear of been exposed as

13:53

an intelligent person. I.

13:55

Was fearful of my lack

13:57

of effort been exposed as

13:59

is. In a coffin a person. That's.

14:05

Will Lay was filling on inside, you

14:07

know, but. You. Gotta keep their type

14:09

city yourself in owner, but it is. You

14:11

know, know what you got going on inside

14:13

too, Because as far as Larry was concerned,

14:15

you know be in a gang member. you

14:17

had to be ardent like you don't give

14:19

a fuck. So that makes me assume that

14:21

a lot of these guys are feeling the

14:24

same thing. Is

14:26

decides you know when we go until

14:28

two gonna hold everybody hears his plan

14:30

is road and everybody notice role. For

14:33

Larry, you know, the gangs gave

14:35

him confidence to boosted him up

14:37

so he can, you know, hide

14:40

to that. I mean basically place

14:42

to along and yeah, place to

14:44

belong but also a sense of

14:46

power importance. I mean, that's what

14:48

the creeps gave to guys like

14:51

Larry. The.

14:53

Discrimination the rejects is the

14:55

prejudice off smears all the

14:57

time so as a crab

14:59

or less stuff when out

15:01

the window. You. Became your

15:03

balls. You establish all rules. You

15:05

was lawless so you didn't have

15:08

to fit into society Nord. Nest.

15:11

Of powered at ourselves Be

15:13

in a crip opposed to

15:15

be a citizen and United

15:17

States. Be. In a

15:19

citizen at a time was knighted

15:21

selling that. I lied because. Being.

15:24

Black was are ways to look down upon and

15:26

be and of quip was found a separate

15:28

from being black. Now.

15:30

I have an identity. I'm

15:32

no longer Larry Davis a

15:35

lot from east coast So

15:37

now when I go anywhere

15:39

I represent not just myself,

15:41

a represent group of individuals

15:44

that has. A

15:46

reputation for being pretty

15:48

vicious. And

15:50

so is interesting to me: how much

15:52

a name change is somebody? yikes, How

15:54

much. Power. Prior to that,

15:56

has a client isn't. Isn't

15:59

my sister? Go. Wow, I expect.

16:04

It to me it has I guess

16:06

they came assassins to it but you

16:08

realize like for him that it came

16:10

with a lot of other kinds of

16:12

adjutant in probably helped him become this

16:14

other person just meet his name wrong

16:16

bales you know the news names and

16:18

for room and he was seen. In

16:21

a feeling like a black man is is looked down

16:23

on it was really rough for him and and. So

16:28

I don't. Know a lot about the

16:30

history regaining. Some tourists think that that

16:32

is she was were actually part of

16:34

the sounding of the. Cramps will

16:36

year you know in the beginning.

16:38

Before all the infighting started it

16:41

was more about protecting a neighborhood

16:43

like they hate groups called the

16:45

business mean the small since you

16:47

know they hear stuff like we're

16:50

these individuals were more to protectors,

16:52

protect people from other gangs or

16:54

the costs of our on. Yeah

16:56

you know for one, police brutality

16:59

on a perceived threat of white

17:01

people discriminating. Many blacks perceive that

17:03

white folks route to get us

17:05

and. The stories that are parents

17:07

told us about live in in the

17:10

South Hill to heighten those fears, you

17:12

know? Plus, there were black on black

17:14

crimes from adjacent neighborhoods. right? So it started

17:16

out as as rates as thing. Yeah,

17:18

and the crips and bloods they kind

17:21

of grew out of their protect in

17:23

philosophy. but be any got twisted and

17:25

he became more about power and control

17:27

and territories and d into drugs came

17:30

in, the guns came in sin. Anna.

17:32

Testosterone. Yeah, definitely. I mean

17:34

a lot of young testosterone

17:37

thing like these stories and

17:39

this one already when. Can.

17:41

The Ha And now. It's

17:44

crazy to any any their heads.

17:46

yeah and fees between these rebels

17:48

street gangs got really out of

17:50

control and Larry's right in the

17:52

middle of all of that. Is

17:57

so we was there was with these

17:59

different game. Adversaries and

18:01

you know, people get

18:03

shot all the time.

18:06

It was a understanding that as

18:08

some point we were gonna die.

18:12

You just in know we're. Is

18:14

so what interrupted a lot of their

18:16

stuff for media of list was going

18:18

to jail Born a prince. Has

18:23

like larry same going to prison is almost

18:25

like. A roster. It's almost like as

18:28

break immensely that that is what he

18:30

sam Bird When Larry first got to

18:32

prison when he was eighteen he thought

18:34

he was to us. Senate

18:36

a dishonest I hate this a

18:38

heat as as a real wake

18:41

afraid there's you know he thought

18:43

he was still kinda the schools

18:45

for now using cow that sounds.

18:51

I was pretty wow just going

18:53

up, but my wildness was on

18:55

a levels of youth authority. I

18:58

hadn't experienced prison so when I got to

19:00

the prison system I thought I was pretty

19:02

tough. do. But. Well

19:05

actually was placed in

19:07

Folsom State Penitentiary. I

19:09

was a baby. You are instantly

19:11

recognize that to mom or dad.

19:13

I got there. I was slightly

19:15

but I was a baby compared

19:18

to the older adults that was

19:20

at the prison. Scared

19:23

to death to be exact.

19:26

So. I told myself that I wasn't

19:28

will be a victim of have no

19:30

one is or whatever I had to

19:32

do not to be a victim I

19:34

was willing to do. Misses

19:40

Folsom Prison back in the early

19:42

eighties. You know guys are walking

19:44

around with bolland crashes and that

19:46

is not an average. Nice these

19:49

back in a day. Nice were

19:51

penitentiary steals. Probably about twelve inches

19:53

long, maybe dirty. And as

19:55

all bleed that ain't even a hand of the

19:57

have the height of on pressure ah yea. Some

20:00

people are now. guess. Is

20:03

slap some people who bomb as

20:06

a cell where he's through. Yes

20:08

it was such a. Hurry

20:12

though. Oh but that you know Now that

20:14

was you know people carry knives at all

20:16

times and if they wouldn't carry him name

20:19

was nearby him. He. Got gain

20:21

since you got drone trade

20:23

you god I'm fights. Behind

20:26

gambling sites Behind a people

20:28

not be in a dead

20:31

people disrespecting. And one of

20:33

the things that deck as.or licenses. People.

20:36

Being bored to monotony of prison and

20:38

things were popping up. All. The

20:40

time. I'm

20:42

sign of find a word to describe

20:44

him as a was. A

20:48

chaotic. It was

20:50

around. When

20:53

your favorite worse as barbaric oh boy

20:55

as barbaric many was, it wasn't a

20:58

good place for a human being. I

21:00

was scared to death mare. And

21:02

are the fear that I had

21:05

was. That. Was too young to

21:07

be there. Prison

21:10

is about mask and in disguise. Use

21:14

you have to put own a different

21:16

mass every. But. You

21:18

have to determine if you want

21:20

to be a tough guy today

21:22

are you want to be a

21:25

person as friendly of are related

21:27

both our personnel want to go

21:29

out work out you know everybody's

21:31

watson you even when you know

21:33

think that they are because people

21:35

were seeking out weakness and wherever

21:37

they can spotted the gone to

21:39

capitalize off of in a some

21:41

kind of capacity. Now

21:44

it's tiresome. man. he knows,

21:46

mentally drained, And

21:51

eventually he got out of prison, went

21:53

right back to the neighborhood, and got

21:55

even deeper into the crips, deeper into

21:57

be in a menace to the community.

21:59

Yeah, Or her name mirror lol

22:01

I've been dealing with the crib says he

22:03

was ten years old so he's know. He's

22:06

respected. Been. In Nineteen Ninety

22:08

Six, he ended up going back here

22:11

for robbery charts and because of his

22:13

previous charges. Larry gas sentenced to one

22:15

hundred and eighty years to life on

22:17

the California Three Strikes Law. And

22:19

of course, he's up there in the ranks

22:21

now. So when he goes back to prison,

22:23

his rank thousand and when you're that hire.

22:26

People. Were trying to get you out the way

22:28

see or target. Definitely. Than

22:32

of put on the for I was

22:34

in Keller passed a prisoner. I

22:37

got locked up for possession

22:39

of a knife and. Some.

22:42

Crips toll on me. Anna

22:45

now was a moment of up with a new

22:47

yeah my life to were. Ah, this new read

22:50

I was in over my head. That.

22:53

The very people that are represented

22:55

was the very people per trans.

23:02

Or. That's.

23:05

A set lesson to learn. And when you

23:07

in those type of buzzes has you always

23:10

know that there's going to be opposing individuals.

23:12

Maybe it could be from a decision you

23:14

may may to be made a decision against

23:16

damn you know maybe somebody does won't your

23:18

position or maybe when you hit that your

23:20

to person that was one of your didn't

23:22

want to give it up but. Were not

23:24

this loyalty people talk about sex is a

23:26

lawyer. They suddenly I'm loyal. You have a

23:28

lot of loyal people but you also have

23:30

a lot about him of i do that

23:33

bad dad's it would do anything to do

23:35

to out of position and you know you

23:37

do have that home and people might think

23:39

is stay doing do it you know by

23:41

doing a they may think you you fucking

23:43

up to program they may be may was

23:45

doing a good program to you got there

23:47

he now you and more when other factions

23:50

i don't know the I'm it seems like

23:52

it must damn see a lot of paranoia

23:54

yeah me you know be in high up

23:56

in a gang. Is you know you're watching your

23:58

back the whole time? You know? Larry when

24:00

he realized as some his fellow gang

24:02

members will read no no he was

24:04

like you know we're have done with

24:06

this is. My.

24:08

Mentality worse. I'm

24:11

tired. This. Act

24:13

is in played out. I.

24:16

Told myself that I have

24:18

to remove myself from his

24:20

level for the give myself

24:22

a opportunities brief to see

24:24

a little bit more light.

24:27

Light away from politics. And

24:30

know that there was a person I

24:32

was screaming to get out by. just

24:34

couldn't removed a mask. Data was were

24:36

for so many years. Larry

24:38

also realize that if he didn't lead

24:41

again he was never don't get out

24:43

of prison and and when he went

24:45

to his parole board. Bases.

24:47

Us with a was telling a. Real

24:51

Commissioner said only when it is

24:53

gonna happen Mr Davis you have

24:56

to leave their gay com from

24:58

staff allow My band were really

25:00

dead for me He said are.

25:03

You have four hundred pages of confidential

25:06

information on. He

25:09

just did not zap and your files on his

25:11

own. Only

25:13

you know if his shorts and a

25:15

rare some most them and it was

25:17

also. A

25:21

mom mine of said only way

25:23

I could noticed it had to

25:25

be somebody that was in lieu.

25:32

They had a four hundred page dossier. And.

25:34

How he have A lot

25:36

of people were volunteer information.

25:40

When. Something's been such a big party your

25:43

life would he replaced it with I say

25:45

for his is a crispy in a. Tissue.

25:49

Whole says his favour. So

25:51

what to replace? who it is? A different

25:53

places. And I'll replace it

25:56

with things that was more conducive. Tours

25:58

me store in the lab must. And.

26:00

So one of the things was do

26:03

I lead a Christmas allow massage? And

26:05

then there was a definite no. We.

26:09

Don't oppose right here for a quick break

26:11

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26:13

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26:15

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a time. So.

28:08

When there was out. He and his girlfriend

28:10

had a t it. And. The and he

28:12

went back to prison and ended up doing

28:14

twenty seven years. Now

28:17

was he when you love. He

28:19

was saw eighteen months? How?

28:23

Was your relationships is fun? Yeah

28:25

man it was me man. Hours

28:27

is there are. He was my

28:29

pride and joy. If you know

28:31

by and and as dispassionate there

28:33

may sound because I was committed

28:35

to the streets but the mom

28:38

as we spend together I was

28:40

completely dedicated to him. Loved him.

28:42

What are my heart. But.

28:44

Then we'll Larry son was sixteen years

28:46

old. He got injured pretty bad. My.

28:50

Son have been involved in

28:52

runner when a group of

28:55

individuals that is to fight

28:57

when another recreationally and somehow

28:59

it turns. That

29:01

they jumped on him and damaged

29:04

his brain and so that affected

29:06

him and his development as a

29:08

young a low. So.

29:11

So you know he was totally

29:13

different from the way I you

29:16

said know him as a

29:18

teenager. He was jubilant, active, spontaneous.

29:20

He was I'm a regular teenage

29:23

boy growing up. After.

29:26

The incident happened or

29:28

he became isolated. Depressed

29:30

and stand office. he wasn't

29:32

a young man that I

29:34

know. How. God

29:37

that is heartbreaking. Helens

29:39

listen now and in hesitantly. He's

29:42

twenty. We know he known acknowledged people that

29:44

ain't you know man in his circle. like

29:46

his mother says, I'm a he he he

29:48

don't he stay in a house, He don't

29:51

go out his he stays sheltered. You know

29:53

unless with a brain injury has done to

29:55

this theory. So horribly county that all of

29:57

our. Deficits.

30:00

He missed out. You know, Pleasant

30:03

there too. You know, help

30:05

rears out and honestly, It's

30:08

hard to know if you can do to change her. Physically

30:11

change what the kids going through know and

30:13

I don't think Larry understood when he was

30:15

in prison how serious is injury was and

30:18

how much is t it needs of even

30:20

now. You. Know fatherhood is a learning

30:22

curve you know and specially when you've

30:24

never done it before. He knows my

30:26

dad dad that more than any human.

30:28

He first got out I when pick

30:30

them are we win had Brevik the

30:32

number on him back to Katie we

30:34

the we we said he did an

30:36

interview with took some time and that

30:38

whole time. He. Was both

30:40

be. Headed home to the summer.

30:43

Because he had they drive to Southern

30:45

California. How he didn't get home. Until.

30:48

About maybe. Nine ten o'clock

30:50

that night and his son and his

30:52

son was waiting for on his son

30:54

was waiting for So for the key

30:56

is it was a big disappearing. His.

31:00

Mother had told him the whole time

31:02

that to dead is as well. I

31:04

have been down for twenty seven years

31:06

so he a gods rest an everyday

31:08

was happy wait for me to come.

31:10

all these and I got out at

31:12

nine o'clock and then we ran into

31:14

the hand of you factor in half

31:16

hours I had to dry rot away

31:18

from Frisco to San Bernardino so when

31:20

I got home with our of nine

31:22

o'clock so he was in the bay

31:24

may have he away my office so

31:26

when i got day with disappointing really

31:28

I went into. His room and for

31:31

the first time I was an

31:33

apprentice a messiah data i had same

31:35

and almost like twelve years and

31:37

as he was land in a bare

31:39

minerals like this is unbelievable man that

31:42

i had eggs guy for this opportunity

31:44

man to be around my sign

31:46

here here he worse land be own

31:48

face embedded in the bed in that

31:51

lick in our bad meets covers over

31:53

is a man up tell him

31:55

sad you know I'm home and out

31:57

the south Sleep specialist asks. Well,

32:03

cash our a mass y axes.

32:05

Madison was ambitious A Mac as

32:07

unicom. You know we expect you

32:09

to come. So I

32:12

try to explain time when it happened

32:14

in our at all. he must remember

32:16

Games space. You know someone that they

32:18

should learn a prison mans respect press

32:20

space so I know it's want of

32:22

some stuff right there. Are

32:25

disappointed him all his life and here to

32:27

a was against you know today of was

32:29

could have been the best day for my

32:31

life and i don't know if it would

32:34

have been a best ever years he was

32:36

disappointed in him and so that to. On

32:41

our society. Is a tough assignment

32:43

s s I kept up and time

32:46

I. Guess it does.

32:48

His plan is just a beat it

32:50

nonstop. he's you know, their everyday. Status

32:53

is getting better. Four

32:55

minutes of sleep. he

32:57

kinda sat in a

32:59

kid. He gets. Place

33:04

is. So sweet you

33:06

ask them and. Larysa

33:08

was enough for interview but Larry sad

33:11

a little bit of video at a

33:13

tournament gathered and he said to me.

33:15

Would. Be. Nice to some

33:17

of the stuff when I first came

33:20

out and I see leave any when

33:22

questioned me leave and ah and but

33:24

today every time I leave us when

33:27

we're going when I'm coming back. So

33:29

our relationship is building. As

33:32

you. Are

33:34

you like that? The Dirty: Mass

33:38

warm to me because where I

33:40

leave and I go out into

33:43

the streets were be for were

33:45

can soften it wherever. Isn't the

33:47

case may be are always am reminded

33:49

if I don't make your bags and

33:51

break massage horse and so I do

33:54

stuff audience three said I do to

33:56

make sure that how make it back

33:58

home waca be we must. The know

34:00

whether it's. So am

34:02

I doubt. He

34:05

knew doubt him and do the. Dishes.

34:09

Or does he live on a sudden? the mom. Know

34:11

he's in the transition house right now so

34:13

know everyone's was. He come out the transitional

34:15

house as we go and. Do you know his son

34:17

is ever met on. Know you know and and

34:20

and cause his son is not like

34:22

in in in great shape right now.

34:24

You know Larry says try to be

34:26

an inspiration You know, even though he's

34:28

a six year old man, you know

34:30

I'm saying he wants to try and

34:32

beat a role model for saw on.

34:35

And ten pushups. So he could see

34:37

me do ten pushups every morning. Because

34:41

used to do a lot you're doing

34:43

or more some when I come back

34:45

from work. ah axeing does you do

34:47

you push ups a day and so

34:49

yeah as i'm in his you do

34:51

is add it to so I know

34:53

he doing right says he won't do

34:55

I'm from. To

34:59

him clearly very hauling and south accountable

35:01

when he thinking about his son and

35:03

the jaime did to him I not

35:05

been there and been able to protect

35:07

him the early I had to say

35:10

I don't care I'm talking very much

35:12

about what he needs to be accountable

35:14

for when he was an act his

35:16

gang member you know I'm sure he

35:18

hurt a lot of people during that

35:20

time but I don't really hear. Him and.

35:24

He. Know some people who either you know

35:26

put it behind him some people are same

35:28

derby some time and again the game coach

35:30

you don't bring of said if other people

35:33

weren't there you know maybe a fall of

35:35

us was Sydney and we was crime partners

35:37

to what he was doing their we have

35:39

open conversation but if we were there you

35:41

know I know the first even though. So

35:44

there's still a bit of the gang mentality. Their. Oh.

35:49

You. Know I mean I would have to think

35:51

about nino months the of do and and then

35:53

you know that will talk about all this is

35:55

that I've been through all the stuff that I've

35:57

done in my life I now have found on.

36:00

It every once in awhile you allude to something

36:02

like know there's a layer I don't know about

36:04

you to the lot of a you just don't

36:06

want to bring oboe see his associates you know

36:08

for move forward and some other could you know

36:10

as a good look Unfavorable to me you know,

36:12

like Dale. Are you? but it's are getting. There's

36:14

also a. Part. For. You or for

36:17

Larry is. Just don't want to

36:19

accept that you. Did some things that you

36:21

discuss are pretty awful. Is

36:23

accepted. It just is expounded on it's

36:26

people. His. Attic Simpsons? I don't

36:28

know. the I. Just comes down to what

36:30

is. It. Countability? I don't really know.

36:34

Try to a terrible thing, say. Or

36:37

do we just. Face. And

36:40

we understand them through their current actions.

36:42

I'm not sure it's an interesting questions

36:44

yeah me you know this is a

36:46

lot of think about nice know and

36:48

I know we hear a lot of

36:50

stories about guys getting out and change

36:52

in their ways. You know what? Larry

36:54

sticks out. A mean I don't know

36:57

anyone who's circumstances as chains as much

36:59

you know before vs after prison in

37:01

his cat. Larry. You

37:03

know walking away from something you have

37:05

so much respect him to do is

37:07

walk away from it to do the

37:09

job he really doing now. so now

37:12

he works as a whole tail and

37:14

he worked at different hotels a centimetre

37:16

different hotels where my be in Santa

37:18

Monica one might be a Venice Beach

37:20

you know like an entry level job

37:22

as his first job in his life.

37:25

Holly's. Does try it

37:27

isn't first official are sufficient

37:29

job and he really loves

37:31

working. Back

37:34

there. Ah when I woke

37:36

up in a more than my

37:38

agenda was her people destroy people.

37:40

Be the most vile person that

37:42

I could possibly be as a

37:44

crip because I was trying to

37:46

establish myself whereas to I wake

37:48

up for class and a morning

37:50

I'm in a transitional home I

37:53

get on a metro li I

37:55

had to take three different trying

37:57

to get to Santa Monica, Hollywood

37:59

or of. This be dependent on where

38:01

they send me to do my job

38:03

and I saw him an ordinary normal

38:05

person today. Man. I'm. Lebanon a

38:07

whole different ah. A

38:10

world and I came from and

38:12

as as if you esa as

38:14

showers in had ties because of

38:16

certain things I still see and

38:19

others that would trigger me. I

38:21

had to remind myself that I'm

38:23

disconnected from net France's I'm on

38:25

a metal nice and people couldn't

38:27

in front of you. Step on

38:29

are you see. His. Bare

38:32

blatantly disrespectful some perspective of

38:34

a gang person or somebody

38:37

imprison. You will

38:39

look at data in say to yourself you

38:41

know you hang on apologize you know gonna

38:43

say scuse me but dispersed in a do

38:45

this every single day, an interview and in

38:47

a light. So.

38:50

Knows it's instances like that make

38:52

me wanted to get out and

38:54

his. Feet. Dispersants

38:56

into a pole. Because

38:59

S Away on which we

39:01

were scripts, was able to

39:03

obtain control over people. Di

39:06

Di Di smile when it happened. Yeah

39:08

just like added man and say you

39:10

know I'm in a whole different way

39:12

of thinking of fella and is proud

39:14

of my soda. I'm not associated with

39:16

their can take you know more man

39:18

and I'm just happy man. I

39:21

just like get to trees delays man

39:23

the dirt and as his see something

39:25

completely different in i did in the

39:27

past met. A

39:29

thing you know me or not a

39:31

date or me know so I don't

39:33

even a brush it off. Understand the

39:35

mindset? Where. You know you

39:38

scuff my said i'm taken a person

39:40

or that you meant to do that

39:42

but savage, personal, mean and do anything

39:44

you know only does trying to get

39:46

some we affairs name taken about you

39:48

in most cases some people don't mean

39:50

home. In some cases you didn't

39:52

with mental health issues is is just

39:54

like. Larry's Go

39:56

always have Lala in appears

39:58

Lala right? But. You.

40:01

Know how to control as you today. You.

40:03

Don't have seen a this ain't a situation

40:05

where I'm a fuck off my freedom for

40:07

somebody else because of way they feel. I

40:09

think I just think of the consequences today

40:12

as opposed to an appears I didn't give

40:14

us it. But

40:17

I think I can see, but no idea. That

40:19

is that I'm that guy says he's ignoring

40:22

you but it took a very different it

40:24

could go on a me in know me

40:26

and him day. yeah it will see that

40:28

last. Oh my god you know, say scuse

40:31

me I'm a take that isn't form of

40:33

disrespect me. He's

40:35

a size has potential. Kroner

40:42

learn how to look at their

40:44

effect on her guy friends like

40:46

I'm going. To work they were. I

40:48

don't know that our last I don't

40:51

know know. Last

40:54

almost on a test because you

40:56

know I know a lot of

40:58

people may wonder I'd when you

41:00

leave again what happens to your

41:02

relationship which of fellow gang members

41:04

hotline. Well. We

41:06

larry. Back. When Larry was still

41:08

in prison, his mom passed away. And

41:11

which was not too long ago. was is

41:13

like maybe a year and some change ago

41:15

and I have been out of prison so

41:18

I end up going to discern of or

41:20

a ten home. And

41:22

went down there. Seen a few

41:24

of the fellas while. Some.

41:27

Of these guys were still in the game

41:29

and they're like for time fifty six year

41:31

old guys here and even though some of

41:33

them are still active in the creates and

41:35

Larry is not. They. Still showed

41:37

up. My

41:40

name is Brian K. Roof a the

41:42

Decade quite an unmarked big brother. Charles

41:47

gave a mess my brother lol

41:49

up a May Ceo of a

41:52

lot of Respect weapons and Miss

41:54

Davis go back from movies. Keith

41:56

my name is Daniel have a

41:59

snake. Hallucinate Homo

42:01

when is no a row dogs

42:03

would registries together. A lot of

42:05

fun. So.

42:08

These are a lot a lot of Ah ha.

42:11

Larry's. Chow the free and I

42:13

know other at the at monikers he

42:15

didn't have little snails. no way see

42:17

a week Quake was one person and

42:19

lol I'll bet when he was a

42:21

kitten is quake is older. ah the

42:23

snake was like a are laws. Frodo.

42:26

Yeah, they they ran streets together. My

42:31

name is our Maurice

42:33

Smith bear our lives.

42:35

My brother grew up

42:37

together. School.

42:42

In our wish he could be in

42:44

there are three communists d you know

42:46

because s eyebrows you know it's and

42:48

deaths his mom's zz the mountain up

42:50

to so you know we had to

42:52

be who you know for him to

42:54

represent the know. He got representing

42:56

zero even though he can be here. So

42:58

we're. So you

43:01

know a lot of his friends came

43:03

together to send his mother often. writers

43:05

way you know they pay for a

43:07

funeral. Ah the after repairs. all that

43:10

you know home so she had a

43:12

nice home gore. Ah. Some.

43:15

Think. It's decline in some way make an

43:17

important. Way yeah They, they definitely are.

43:19

Showed up for. A

43:21

we do when he would do with he was

43:24

is you know me because he would do to

43:26

save us he would be involved in Glen Artemis

43:28

his arrest. We

43:30

brothers, sisters or brothers didn't mean I'm saying

43:32

we're hoping are both. Come on. Also, I

43:38

love my mother so much. Masts

43:40

and Sister see to support or

43:42

the community. Wish I was raised.

43:46

Support her and represent her and

43:48

they're like I just thought about

43:50

was she would have said when

43:52

he says moved me mass. When.

43:55

I find much the time to sit out in

43:58

the have conversations with my mother. The

44:00

Motel or a bad day. Mom's

44:03

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