So, despite Michael and Chris' desire to talk about anything else, it seemed daft that we would ignore the subject that's been at the forefront of our collective consciousness.

The shockwave that the pandemic created, whilst forcing many of us inside indefinitely, has also allowed for a moment of reflection: a chance to examine the lives we've had to abandon and muse about what we could be doing differently.

In this episode, the duo discuss (from their respective homes) their take on the personal and wider impacts of lockdown, and its impact on the collective mission for a more sustainable way of living.

Silver linings and all, but is this the chance we've been waiting for to redefine the rules and usher in a better, new normal?