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into the end . Crib outside the city . I don't feel

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just waiting .

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0:44

Yo , yo yo . Welcome back to another episode

0:46

of the Epic Podcast . We

0:48

are in the house today with my guy , Jared , and

0:50

we finally got Boom in here . Man , I ain't gon' lie

0:52

, man , I'ma tell you straight up . He been standing us

0:54

up for Like this

0:56

many weeks , you know . I had both this

0:59

many weeks , man , but nah , he

1:01

in here . Man Finally got him in here again

1:03

. How's y'all sports

1:05

weekend been , man ? We're going to start with you . Boom man , say

1:07

something .

1:08

Say something . Well

1:11

, you know , Pacers lost games one and two

1:13

. Well , yeah , we got you

1:15

out . Games one and two , so it's

1:17

been a little down , but they

1:20

got to come back to net , so it's

1:23

all good .

1:24

I agree with that man . I think I've seen that Rick

1:27

Carlisle submitted like 78 missed foul

1:30

calls .

1:31

Of course , as he should

1:33

, because like it's just

1:35

getting outrageous . I was like

1:37

, damn , yeah , it's

1:40

outrageous , bro , like I ain't even watched

1:42

the last seven , I

1:44

ain't even going to say the last seven , I ain't even gonna say the last seven . I probably didn't even watch the last

1:47

ten minutes of the fourth quarter because I was

1:49

just like , yeah .

1:50

You kind of knew it was going to happen . Man Down the stretch

1:52

they been , yeah , and .

1:54

I hate it because the Knicks

1:56

just be thinking that they just doing all this

1:58

and that it's like no , y'all getting some handouts

2:00

here . Yeah

2:03

, but they got to come back to Naps , it's all good

2:05

.

2:07

Yeah , and we just need to steal one man . I feel like we'd be good

2:09

at home .

2:12

We would have stole one .

2:13

We would have stole game one , we

2:15

would have stole game one . I

2:18

mean this is the first time I think the Pacers have

2:20

been down in the playoffs yeah , as

2:23

far as the 0-2 , or even

2:25

down 2-1 or anything . So

2:27

we'll see how they handle the adversity man

2:29

. So I'm eager to see how they play

2:32

at home and hopefully we get these games

2:34

at home and like I said , can end it

2:36

in New York , like we used to . What

2:39

?

2:40

about you , jarrett man , chilling

2:42

bro . Like same as all Every

2:45

other week , my interest is out

2:47

, so I'm just enjoying

2:50

the sports . How

2:53

the Reds going the movies going down . O2 got me

2:55

kind of like damn

2:57

, that's crazy . I'm

2:59

just trying to see some good games at this point , man

3:01

, I don't got no interest left in it .

3:03

I mean these

3:06

losses ? They have been bad losses . The Nuggets look stuck

3:09

in mud when they're out there playing bro . Compared

3:11

to what the Timberwolves are doing , it's like .

3:13

Minnesota make them look like a G League team

3:15

bro .

3:15

Man like for real , Like I'm like

3:19

, like I ain really crazy

3:22

. Like okay , the defensive

3:25

end all right , whatever , but like on the offensive end , like

3:27

Jokic

3:30

not being able to get to his spots and get his shots off , like Murray , I mean , they

3:32

say he injured but super ineffective

3:34

, like even the role players

3:36

can't get off . So it's like they're

3:38

literally just .

3:40

They're coming up with a strategy to defeat

3:42

him in coaching .

3:43

But we'll get into that later , and

3:48

then what we think will happen . You

3:50

know what we're going to jump over . We're going to jump over to

3:52

the NBA right now . Let's get this conversation

3:54

started . So

3:58

let's just start in the

4:00

East real quick . We talked a little bit about the Knicks

4:02

. Pacers Sucked

4:04

his Cavaliers Did . The Cavaliers got a chance .

4:07

No , hell . No , they didn't sway .

4:08

They got spanked , that first

4:10

game man . It didn't even look good .

4:14

To be honest with you , I feel like the

4:17

Magic would have been a more entertaining

4:19

matchup with the Celtics just because

4:21

they have a lot

4:23

of length no ddy at

4:26

all their you know

4:28

front court positions . So

4:31

it's like Defensively

4:34

.

4:34

You know what I mean Defensively . I see what

4:36

you're saying . They probably could have , you know , stayed in . They

4:38

would have been .

4:40

I think it would have been a more entertaining series . Like the Cavaliers

4:42

. All they got is Donovan Mitchell . Like Darius

4:45

Garland is nice , but all they got

4:47

is Donovan . Mitchell , like

4:53

they don't have no front court , people that can put up 20 and 10 every night , you

4:55

know , and be effective on a defensive end . So it's kind

4:57

of like you

4:59

know .

5:00

Is Allen supposed to come back this series ?

5:03

Man he's not going to be , a factor . I

5:05

didn't even realize he was missing until I

5:07

was watching the first game and I was like damn , he is

5:10

out . They were saying like he's nowhere

5:12

near ready to come back . I don't know what he's dealing

5:14

with . I think he's like there's something else . He

5:16

can't sleep . I don't know what he's

5:18

dealing with yeah , okay .

5:28

Maybe it , yeah , okay , maybe maybe like you said something with that . Uh , like , like you

5:30

were saying in that front court , boom , I think he could be a difference . You know what

5:32

I ?

5:32

mean young guy , you know , he got bounce

5:36

size sorry okay , but yeah , um

5:39

, no , that's .

5:40

Yeah , it's looking , looking rough for the cavaliers . Um

5:43

, I just don't like counting them out , man , the

5:45

way they battle back against the Magic

5:47

, which we're saying would be a better matchup , but the

5:49

way they battle back against

5:52

the Magic and the games .

5:53

Oh yeah , that was crazy .

5:54

It was some tough games down the stretch that they really pulled out

5:56

. So I think maybe they could slow the pace

5:58

down with the Celtics . I think maybe

6:00

that would help them . But

6:09

I don't know , man , the self ticks have just been elite . You know what I mean . The half court

6:11

fast break offense defensively , like it's just really tough to get a handle on , and it's with no

6:13

porzingis .

6:14

So imagine if porzingis is out there to spread the floor even more

6:16

like but they don't have nobody that

6:18

could defend jaylen brown or

6:20

tatum , and with derrick white , you

6:23

know , going off , it's

6:25

kind of like . You know , donovan

6:28

Mitchell isn't a defensive , he's

6:31

not a two-way player , he's just primarily

6:35

on the offensive end and then

6:37

it's like I don't know who they're

6:39

starting that smile for . Is it Okoro

6:41

or Karras

6:43

LaVert ?

6:48

No LaVert ain't starting strews

6:51

okuro is out there , though .

6:52

I guess he's playing the four , though he might be playing four

6:54

and mobily . They may be playing mobily at the five

6:56

.

6:56

They started mobily okuro , then you

6:59

got strews , mitchell and garland , so okay

7:01

but I mean , and that's you

7:03

, matt Struess is probably the only defensive

7:06

one they really have out there that .

7:07

Can you know what I mean , man ?

7:09

But let's be real here . Who he

7:11

going to stop ? I'm not saying he going to lock

7:13

up .

7:13

I'm not saying he going to stop nobody , but I'm just talking about that's known

7:16

for the defense . He's probably the only one . He's just

7:18

a 3 and I

7:20

agree with you . And even Mobley , I mean like

7:22

, but who you holding ? Like , um

7:24

, what's the old boy name , al

7:27

Horford ? Like he's a threat offensively

7:29

, but you know what I mean . He's not , you're not

7:31

guarding , you're not putting him on Tatum or or

7:34

uh Brown , so they really don't

7:36

make that big of a difference , even if you stop somebody like

7:38

Al Horford , like them

7:40

other two gonna kill you along with Holiday too

7:43

.

7:43

like that's still another offensively

7:46

he ain't going to do

7:48

nothing but focus on locking up Darius

7:50

Garland . So that takes

7:52

away your second primary option , Yep

7:55

.

7:56

I agree with that they're

7:58

about to play at seven . They're on now .

8:00

No , it's halftime .

8:02

Okay , yeah , I was about to say they're on now . How's

8:05

that going right now , jared , I know you're watching .

8:08

It's tied up 54-54 . Tatum

8:13

is off to a slow start shooting . I

8:15

mean he's three for 10 , but

8:18

he does have 16 points . He's been in the line

8:20

10 times , so that's

8:22

cool . But

8:24

yeah , nothing crazy is going

8:26

on . Mitchell only has six , garland

8:29

only has five , which they're going to have

8:31

to pick it up to make the series

8:33

respectable . Carrot's

8:35

got 12 off the bench , so

8:37

yeah , it's crazy . I didn't realize how

8:40

small Cleveland was until

8:42

I realized that Allen wasn't out there . But I mean they

8:44

have Tristan Thompson , which he hasn't played yet tonight

8:46

.

8:48

He gave us some valuable minutes in those last

8:50

two games against the Magic .

8:52

I like Tristan Thompson for what he is , what he does

8:54

. That's why I couldn't believe that he didn't

8:56

start for the Lakers last year .

8:58

But again we're going

9:00

to push that .

9:02

He ain't even got no minutes for them right now

9:05

. So yeah , but I was just thinking about

9:07

like the last series against the magic he did . He

9:09

was playing . Yeah , I saw him up there .

9:10

I saw him down the stretch .

9:13

But yeah , no , that I mean , like you said

9:15

, it's size , but you also

9:17

, because the celtics can run too if

9:19

they have to . So you still

9:21

don't want to put too much size out there . That slows down

9:23

your defense . You can't get set up you

9:25

know what I mean or you can't get to stay in front of nobody

9:27

, right ? Let's

9:30

jump over to the Western Conference . Man , you got the Mavs

9:33

up one on the , I mean the Thunder

9:35

up one on the Mavs , and the Timberwolves , like

9:37

we were saying earlier , out to a 2-0 lead

9:39

on the Nuggets . Granted

9:41

, the Nuggets got this championship pedigree and you know

9:43

who knows they haven't been in this position lately

9:46

in the playoffs the past couple years . But the

9:49

Timberwolves are showing they really a different breed

9:51

and their

9:54

defense is ridiculous . They swarm on

9:56

players like Wolves , like

10:00

they are literally running around the court , like the rotation man . Their rotations

10:02

is crazy .

10:03

Yeah , I mean and that's a

10:05

testament to their head coach I mean

10:07

, when you got three

10:09

bigs that really

10:12

are athletic

10:14

and they can stay with

10:16

Jokic , it's kind of like , okay

10:19

, we're going to throw all three of them at you and

10:24

it's up to you to see what you're going to do with it . And

10:26

with Jokic having to go against

10:28

all three , it's like you can't

10:30

just get one and foul trouble and

10:33

it's going to keep being somebody that's going to be

10:35

fresh , that's going to be on you at

10:38

all times . And

10:40

yeah , he just he

10:42

can't get into the plays , you

10:45

know , on a consistent basis

10:47

. So , you

10:49

know , when he's not able to do

10:51

his thing out there , it

10:54

kind of puts him in a bind , like because

10:56

everybody else is kind of waiting on him to see what

10:58

he's going to do . And when they clamping him down

11:01

, it's like , well , what am I supposed to

11:03

do ?

11:03

And Jamal Murray , you know , I

11:05

don't know what his issue is , but yeah

11:08

, I know , like I said , I know they say he been

11:10

hurt , but he's only . Kobe against

11:12

the Lakers .

11:13

So I mean .

11:14

And Utah .

11:17

I mean he's a good player , but I mean he turns

11:19

into some , some extraterrestrial

11:21

however you say that word creature

11:23

when he's playing against the Lakers . I mean that's

11:25

fine , it's got him where they've gotten so far

11:28

. But

11:33

yeah , I mean he's definitely good , but against the Lakers

11:35

he's the greatest player ever . But I digress

11:37

.

11:38

Yeah , and seeing the rest of those guys , their role

11:40

players like Porter Jr , what's

11:44

?

11:44

the other guy Gordon .

11:46

KCP . Those guys can't get off

11:49

if Jokic and

11:51

Murray's not drawing the defense to them

11:53

. So if they're not going , then the rest of the guys

11:55

is pretty much stuck .

11:57

And then you also got to think

12:00

about this they don't have a bench

12:02

Like they got , braun , I've

12:04

been saying that all year . They

12:06

got Reggie Jackson .

12:10

I think they run seven . I think

12:13

they really only play seven .

12:16

I haven't even seen DeAndre Jordan

12:18

yet . No , it's like

12:21

in

12:23

the playoffs , yeah

12:27

, you want to kind of curve your minutes and things . Like you know

12:29

, you want to kind of slim down that rotation

12:31

a little bit , you know , but

12:33

if you already slimmed

12:36

it down and you really ain't got nobody

12:38

else to count on , like you can't just bring somebody

12:40

fresh out there who ain't really

12:42

got that type of playing time all year and

12:44

throw them in there . And it's the playoffs , like

12:47

, where one

12:49

little mistake can change the

12:51

entirety of the game . So

12:55

, yeah , they're

12:57

kind of on the bad end of this

13:00

series and being

13:02

down 0-2 and heading to Minnesota

13:04

. It's like , yeah

13:07

, you're not going to steal one there .

13:09

Yeah , that's what I was thinking too . I'm like man , you going now

13:11

, you about to go to Minnesota , like I don't see , like you said

13:13

, I don't see them stealing one in Minnesota . Um

13:16

, but that Thunder Mavs game I think it's going to be

13:18

second game anyway

13:20

. I see

13:23

Kyrie and Luka figuring it out

13:25

. They've been figuring it out , they've

13:28

been going crazy . Is

13:30

the Thunder too young for this spotlight

13:34

?

13:36

They've been defying odds to me all year

13:38

. I still don't know how they're getting it done with that lineup

13:41

. I don't know .

13:42

It's continuity , it's continuity and that lineup I don't know

13:44

. It's continuity .

13:45

It's continuity .

13:47

And that chemistry .

13:49

And maybe that coach , maybe that

13:51

coach . I'm just saying I

13:54

mean , when you got a coach that actually knows

13:56

what he wants to do , what he wants

13:58

to do , to take the other team out of doing what they want

14:00

to do , it goes

14:02

far . But I digress again

14:05

.

14:06

All right , man

14:08

, let's jump into these award winners

14:10

in the NBA man . Now it's the last

14:13

couple . So you got Rookie of the Year , Wimby

14:16

. You got Defensive Player of the Year , Rudy Gay . I think that's

14:19

his third or fourth .

14:20

Rudy Gobert . Rudy Gobert , rudy

14:24

Gobert .

14:25

Rudy Gay is not even .

14:28

Bro , I

14:30

don't think .

14:30

No , rudy Gobert , I'm just like Bro

14:34

, I'm old school bro , I'm just used to .

14:37

Rudy Gay . I was about to say did they name the defensive

14:39

player of the year trophy after Rudy Gobert

14:41

? I'm about to say , hey , that's

14:44

wild .

14:46

Yeah , that would have been hella wild .

14:47

I don't think he won none

14:49

. Rudy Gobert sorry wins . Defensive

14:52

player of the year . Nba social justice champion

14:54

this is one of them . New random trophies Karl-Anthony

14:56

Towns gets that and , of course , mvp

14:59

goes to Jokic . I think all those

15:01

are okay . Mvp though

15:04

, that should have went to Shea , okay

15:06

. Okay , let's talk about it . So

15:10

me and my best friend , we was talking about this the other

15:12

day and he was saying that he thinks it

15:14

should have or could have been

15:16

Luka . He

15:19

led the league in scoring . I mean to

15:21

pull his team out of the play-in into a playoff spot . I mean

15:23

to pull his team out of the play-in into a playoff spot . I was

15:25

saying it was going to be shade . Just based

15:28

on how the NBA

15:30

views that award and how they've traditionally

15:32

given it out , it's

15:41

usually been like I said , the best player on the best team with the best record , usually

15:43

in the strongest conference , which has been the West for a little while now , and I heard Shaq

15:45

and Charles arguing about this . What should the award

15:47

? The MVP , it says most valuable player

15:49

. What do y'all think the qualifications of that should

15:52

be ?

15:53

I don't know , but I know what it should be . It

15:55

should be the best player . That's what I'm saying . What

15:57

do you think it should be ? Literally , numbers

15:59

who's the best player , who's producing

16:01

the most ? I

16:14

think that's who it should go to , regardless of their record or the team you'd have to you . I mean

16:16

, you'd have to consider that . But , man , I , I want the , the best player , to win here . Or maybe they should

16:18

have a player of the year in an mvp or something like that

16:20

I agree with that best player , regardless

16:23

of your . I don't care if y'all

16:25

you know 2-52 or 2-62

16:28

, 20-62 rather , but

16:30

if you got a player on your team averaging 40 , 35

16:33

, 12 rebounds and 10 assists

16:36

. You need to win at least best

16:38

player of the year , most outstanding player

16:40

, whatever .

16:42

But I mean , I feel like I see they're adding

16:44

these , these random awards .

16:46

It would be very easily to add a player

16:48

a year and then an mvp , like you said

16:50

, because and then it's like

16:52

if you were to make it like , like

16:54

how you suggested , like best player on best team

16:56

, best record , then I

16:59

mean we don't need to vote , like nobody needs to vote

17:01

, it could just be an automated , you know . And

17:04

then what if that best player on that best team only averages

17:06

26 and 6 ? Does that like 26

17:09

rebounds and six assists ? Was that ? Does that

17:11

qualify him for MVP ? I feel like if you

17:13

put too many stipulations on it , then

17:16

you know that takes the guessing

17:18

part out of it . But , um

17:20

, I'm actually not

17:22

one that should have guaranteed . I mean

17:24

, I don't know , jokic's numbers are crazy

17:26

26-12-9

17:29

as a center , I

17:31

mean .

17:32

I can't .

17:32

Basically , what I'm trying to say is I can't really argue with

17:34

it . I can entertain the conversations

17:37

for somebody saying Luka or somebody saying Shea

17:39

, but I can't necessarily say they

17:41

got it wrong though , because I think Luka averaged like 33

17:43

this year . Yeah , that's nuts

17:46

.

17:47

I think it was like 33-6-8 or something like that

17:49

.

17:49

That's what I'm saying . Then

17:51

maybe he should have got more consideration . But

17:55

Jokic is one assist off a triple-double

17:57

. That's

18:00

pretty significant .

18:03

I mean , and then like usually

18:05

players and this is what I was telling him

18:07

I'm like usually players get

18:09

penalized for having a second

18:11

star or a second player to

18:13

. You know what I mean that performs well , and

18:16

that's what I was thinking about Like I was surprised when it

18:18

didn't go to shade , because I'm like , well , you

18:21

know , he got a lot of yeah . Well , you know he got a lot

18:23

of . Yeah . I think the next best player on the team is averaging like 19 or something

18:25

like that , or close to 20 um

18:28

, which , and then it's like you

18:30

got him averaging 33 . So it's like a huge gap . He's like

18:32

clearly separating himself from the rest of the team

18:34

, but then , when you got like yokich averaging

18:36

what he's averaging , and then you got murray averaging like

18:38

26 you know what I mean , or 25

18:41

or something like that . And then you

18:43

look at luca's like OK , luca may be penalized

18:45

because you got Kyrie . You know Luca averaging

18:47

33 , but you got Kyrie averaging you

18:49

know what I mean 23 . It's like , ok

18:52

, well , we see where their success is coming from

18:54

. But when you look

18:56

at Shea and it's like that big of a gap it's almost a 12

18:58

point gap difference between him and the next best player

19:00

on this team . You

19:09

look at your bitches , like , okay , we can see where their success is coming from , because you

19:11

know murray picks up . You know the slack on that end . Um , that's why I like , when you look at like yannis

19:13

and middleton , like yannis only got one , because I think they look at , okay , middleton

19:15

is coming into his own . And when you

19:17

got that second star , like lebron , like you look

19:20

at his numbers , like the past five years

19:22

and you compare it to his mvp years , it's like it's

19:24

almost like right there , but

19:26

he's never . He don't even get a vote right

19:29

so I just I don't

19:31

know , man , it's hard to kind of put you

19:34

know what I mean like a label or like a , a

19:36

formula to this , this mvp

19:39

award .

19:39

But yeah , it's different and a little and a little

19:41

weird .

19:42

But I , but three and four years

19:44

. Imagine if he do this next . What

19:47

if he went four and five ?

19:48

bro Crazy . He

19:51

could have really had all four in the world

19:53

Really .

19:53

Yeah .

19:55

I think they gave it to Embiid to

19:57

kind of break it up a little bit .

20:00

Yeah , because Embiid had been right there on the cusp

20:02

and I think they were . Wasn't they the number one seed

20:04

that year in the East ? No , they were number two . I think

20:06

Were they behind themselves

20:08

, I don't remember , but like he was

20:10

, just I don't know . I guess they

20:12

feel like they had slid at him the year before , because I think

20:14

he led the league in scoring that year too . But

20:17

Akeem too

20:19

, with the games though , like now

20:21

being qualified for awards , like maybe

20:24

you know . They looked

20:26

at , okay , like Jokic played I don't know 75

20:29

games , you know whatever . So maybe that's coming into play

20:31

now too . They're looking at like , okay , maybe Shea

20:34

only played , like right at what

20:37

, is it 65 or something like

20:39

that ? 62 ?

20:39

Did you got to be to qualify .

20:41

Maybe he was closer to that number than Yoker I think

20:43

it's 65 . It is 65

20:45

.

20:46

So being closer to 65 , okay , well

20:48

, he played 66 . Yoker's played

20:50

75 or whatever . So I

20:52

don't know who knows when those

20:54

votes come . But all

20:57

right , man , let's get into the nitty-gritty of this . What

21:00

we really can't talk about what's

21:03

the rest of the sports world talking about right now ? So NFL players versus

21:05

NBA players and who can play and who leads . So

21:07

Austin River claims that he could take 30

21:10

NBA players that could play in

21:12

the NFL , but couldn't take 30 NFL players

21:14

that could play in the NBA . So

21:16

I actually did some research

21:18

online and looked at some people's lists that I

21:20

have right here , but I want to hear y'all's thoughts on this

21:22

first Boom

21:25

with that face . What you talking about , man ?

21:28

I mean , let's be honest here

21:30

.

21:31

Oh , wait a minute , hold on , let's play the clip

21:33

first . Let's play the clip first before

21:35

we . Alright , so ?

21:40

I kind of agree and I kind of disagree . I

21:42

do not think there are 30 players

21:45

in the NBA that could be good .

21:47

NFL players . Can you turn it up a little

21:49

bit , absolutely .

21:51

These are some of the best athletes in the world , and

21:54

I think when they hear no , that's just how it is on

21:56

the website they can get their bodies ready

21:58

for the NFL . I think that's . Yeah , that's the loudest

22:00

NFL

22:25

players usually . Even if they were high-level basketball players at one point , that'll

22:27

still allow us . Okay . So what game translates better to the other sport ? Let me know down in the

22:29

comments .

22:34

Okay . So , with that being said , what do you think Boom , let's be

22:38

real here I

22:42

want to know he's going to have to break down that 30 list that he's looking

22:44

to take to the NFL , because anybody over

22:46

6'5 is

22:48

getting toasted For one . You

22:52

can catch the ball if you want to , but

22:54

here's the thing it's going

22:56

to be hard getting up off that ground . And

22:59

if you catch that ball and let's say

23:01

, let's just say Derwin

23:04

James catches you coming

23:06

across that middle , you

23:09

definitely going back to being an NBA player , you

23:11

done after that . And that's what's happening

23:13

to a lot of these NBA players , like

23:15

they play . Some of them have played football and

23:19

they got that one nice hit , whether

23:21

it be peewee , middle school

23:23

, high school . They got that one

23:25

nice hit and they said you know what , I'd

23:28

rather play basketball . And

23:30

then at the same time you got , you know

23:32

you got NFL players who just said

23:35

you know what I can ? I can

23:37

, I'd rather play football

23:39

than basketball . I can play basketball

23:41

but I'd rather play football . And they actually

23:43

have highlights . I can play basketball

23:46

but I'd rather play football , and they actually

23:48

have highlights . Like you can go to a lot of

23:50

players Jalen Ramsey

23:52

, anthony Richardson who else

23:54

I know ? Darius Butler he

23:56

posted some film the other

23:58

day about him hooping . Like

24:00

you have all these players in

24:03

the NFL that can post film of them

24:05

actually out there hooping in the game

24:07

, dunking windmilling . Miles

24:09

Garrett you know they

24:12

can actually play , but

24:15

when have you seen an NBA

24:17

player post their

24:19

football film ? Like

24:24

you might have seen a little bit on LeBron

24:26

? Who else ? Allen

24:28

Iverson , who really

24:30

he could have played , definitely

24:35

could have played some college ball at quarterback

24:37

, but the only person that legitimately

24:41

played both and could

24:43

have been nice in the NFL

24:45

also is Charlie Ward . You

24:48

know he won the Heisman at Florida State . And

24:50

he definitely would have been in the NFL

24:53

Now . At the time when he joined they

24:57

wasn't in tune to the whole dual threat quarterback

24:59

thing . So I think that's what kind of slighted him to

25:02

go to the NBA . But

25:05

outside of that , like no

25:07

, you can't take 30 players from

25:10

the NBA and put them in the NFL .

25:13

Okay , Jared what you think .

25:16

I'm kind of up in the air because I mean , it's like

25:19

I'm a circumstantial guy

25:21

. It depends on what positions

25:23

it depends on . Are positions it depends

25:26

on ? Are

25:28

these guys being able to train first ? It

25:30

just I feel like there's a lot of variables , like

25:35

, do I feel like there are some guys in the NBA that could do some things on a football field ? Yes

25:37

, do I think that they could do it like tomorrow ? No

25:39

, you know what I'm saying . So like I

25:42

need more information . Do I think

25:44

that there's 30 guys in the

25:46

NBA that could , with some

25:48

training and practice , play somewhere

25:51

in the NFL ? I actually do believe that , and

25:54

I do believe for the other way around too . So

25:56

I look , I

25:58

I'm kind of , I'm at a toss up with it

26:01

, like like I said I could , I could see it happening

26:03

, but like tomorrow , no . And it's like I put in a could see it happening , but like tomorrow

26:05

, no . And it's like I put in a group . A

26:07

big thing for me is like body movements . Like

26:09

because even what you're saying , you've seen

26:11

some of the NFL guys . You know hooping

26:13

, they still look weird , though Jump

26:16

shots is weird , you know , the

26:19

body movements just aren't there , like

26:23

I mean , you know , know , dribbling is tough . I mean , you got to be able to dribble

26:25

. Um , anybody can hoop

26:27

, but can you , can you break a press ? You

26:29

know what I'm saying . So it's just like I , I , I

26:31

don't know . Do you know what to do in

26:34

it when you're being doubled ? Uh

26:36

, can you make the right reads ? Can

26:38

you shoot with people in your face ? I

26:41

mean , it's just a , it's's just

26:43

a bunch of miracles ? that I just don't

26:45

really . So I could see it , yeah , and

26:47

I could see it , no , but

26:50

football is just not a hard sport

26:52

to me . That

26:55

sounds crazy , but like I

26:57

just don't think it's a hard sport . Some positions

26:59

are hard but a lot of it's not

27:02

that complicated , that's

27:07

just my observation

27:10

.

27:10

I don't know okay and when you said something about the jump

27:12

shot thing , I automatically

27:14

went to tyrese halliburton

27:16

and kyle , and that's true

27:18

but the difference

27:20

is he's practiced that

27:23

probably .

27:23

He's probably been shooting like that since he was eight consistently

27:26

, and although the NFL guys

27:28

probably been shooting , the way they shoot for a long

27:30

time too is like they don't have as many

27:33

shots and as many reps

27:35

as Halliburton has . Not only has Halliburton

27:38

practiced that shot on his own

27:40

, he's played in multiple games

27:42

at a high level with that shot

27:44

. You know what I'm saying . So that's a good point

27:46

, but that's kind of that's

27:48

that's kind of different situations when you're

27:50

, when you're speaking on an nba

27:53

260 million dollar

27:55

man . I mean he could shoot underhanded

27:57

and I'm still gonna take that over most people's

27:59

perfect form if you don't play nba

28:01

. So that's

28:04

a very good point , though . Very good point .

28:07

With that . Let's see . I know we

28:09

posted in a group that

28:11

James Jones had something to

28:13

say about this . Let's hear what he had to say and

28:15

then I'll give you my take

28:18

on it .

28:18

I don't even know who the fuck he is , bro .

28:20

He was wide receiver on Green Bay . Yeah , I don't remember that he was on that on Green Bay . He was

28:22

wide receiver for Green Bay .

28:23

Yeah , I don't remember that , Only James .

28:25

Jones on that Super Bowl team .

28:29

I think he was like number 89 or something

28:31

like that .

28:36

Yeah , we can't hear that bro .

28:39

I can't turn it up no more . Let me say

28:42

something . Yeah , that's as loud

28:44

as it go .

28:45

That's crazy . You think the viewers

28:47

can hear it , anybody watching

28:49

. Can y'all give us some feedback ? Nobody , okay

28:52

.

28:55

There's two people watching .

28:58

Can anybody hear this Please ? Comment yes or no

29:00

please .

29:02

I can hear it . I don't know it's

29:05

not super loud , but I can hear it .

29:09

Anybody , anybody , all

29:13

right . Well , yeah , I can't hear

29:15

it at all . The last one I can hear a little bit , but

29:17

this one I can't hear at all . But

29:20

it's all cool . I think we get to just what he

29:22

was saying . For him to say

29:24

Austin Rivers , is it still going or is it off

29:26

now ?

29:26

Yeah , it's still going . It got about 10 seconds , Okay

29:29

. So

29:38

basically he was talking about , he was saying Austin Rivers

29:40

barely made it in the NBA himself .

29:42

That's cat as hell Does he not know

29:44

who Austin Rivers is ? Austin Rivers was one

29:46

of the best prep players in

29:48

the country . One of the best prep

29:51

players in the country . He went to Duke , held

29:53

his own there , solid NBA

29:55

career . His

29:58

dad was an NBA player , current coach . So

30:00

he has all that knowledge to say

30:02

that I'm taking , I'm taking his

30:04

career over James Jones career and that's

30:06

just being , that's just keeping it a book

30:08

. But that's neither here nor there . I

30:11

think he was going a little bit too hard , like

30:13

I don't . I don't

30:15

think it's as deep as he was making it seem , but

30:18

I mean he's going to defend this sport

30:21

, he's going to defend his craft , so I get it but

30:25

he's going to defend this sport , he's going to defend his

30:28

craft , so I get it .

30:28

But Okay , so I found this list of NBA players that they think can play in

30:30

the NFL . So they say LeBron

30:32

James , just because his size

30:35

and , like you know , he played tight end . He's

30:38

saying Anthony Edwards , just his

30:40

athleticism probably could play some receiver

30:42

. Jalen Suggs , for the Magic

30:44

, was a star quarterback in high school Dual

30:47

threat . He was like the

30:50

number two player in

30:52

the state of Minnesota . He actually won

30:54

Mr Football and Mr Basketball in the same

30:56

season . That's crazy , of

30:58

course . They're going to say Giannis , they're going to say Zion

31:00

, because of that .

31:02

I can't see what the hell is Giannis going to do on the field , going

31:04

to say Zion because of that . I can't see what the hell is Giannis going to do on this . They

31:06

just said like a reason , exactly Because they said like I was just like

31:08

man .

31:09

They said his leaping ability and

31:12

his agility and speed . But I'm like

31:14

so , what I don't

31:16

know man . They're saying a receiving threat .

31:18

I can't even see him catching the ball .

31:20

That's what I'm looking at . When I heard , when I seen him

31:22

like because he , because he's not

31:25

really quick you're looking like jayla

31:27

ramsay , he wouldn't get

31:29

any separate .

31:29

Who is he gonna separate from ?

31:31

yeah , no , I agree with that , there's

31:33

no way he got , the

31:35

arm link thing would come into play .

31:37

So it'll be hard , I'm thinking like if you blow

31:39

it up , yeah , even if you jam me

31:41

I couldn't , I couldn't see it , I couldn't see it , I

31:44

couldn't see it . You got to be super coordinated

31:46

to play .

31:48

And I just can't see it . No , I can't see Giannis , honestly

31:50

, and I can't see Zion either

31:53

. To be real with you , I can't really even see

31:55

, well , maybe I'm thinking about 40-year-old

31:57

LeBron .

31:59

If you look at somebody like DeForest

32:01

Buckner , you

32:07

look at somebody like , uh , deforest buckner , he about the same size as as zion .

32:09

Oh yeah , you know what I mean it was . I am another thing I feel

32:11

like the builds are different too . Yeah

32:14

, comparable height and weights . Like football

32:16

players train differently than nba

32:18

players , you know what I'm saying . So like the weight

32:21

isn't the muscle , the weight's not distributed

32:23

the same . So I think that's what's kind of messing

32:25

with my mind too , because

32:27

I can't see Zion coming around the

32:29

edge , like I feel like somebody would just block

32:31

him with one hand , like

32:34

but I mean that could just be like like , like

32:36

I said , like mentally , like you just . I

32:40

just can't see it .

32:42

So they say Please say

32:44

that they didn't put Anthony Davis on there .

32:46

No , they say John Morant could be a good receiver

32:49

or running back Receiver

32:51

. They say

32:53

Draymond would make a good linebacker . No

32:56

, he's getting

32:59

cooked . Look , I'm just

33:01

saying they're saying Marcus Sparks . You know just

33:04

some of the tough guys in the NBA .

33:05

Marcus Smart would probably be a safety .

33:06

Yeah , that's what they said . And they said he'd be a great safety

33:09

. They said Russell Westbrook could be a running

33:11

back .

33:12

Nah . I see him on defense .

33:16

Aaron Gordon they said Aaron . Gordon could play some

33:18

tight end .

33:18

Running backs are no ditty . But running

33:20

backs are thicker below the waist . You know what I'm

33:22

saying ? No ditty , but running backs are thicker below the waist . You know what I'm saying

33:24

? Like Westbrook ain't got like the thighs of a running back . Like he don't have

33:26

the bottom half strengthness .

33:29

Well , like you said , and their bodies are made for

33:32

basketball .

33:34

So different muscles are used . Yeah , that's what I was alluded to earlier .

33:35

So they're probably like , I think , if they trained

33:38

the way football players trained and ate

33:40

the way they would . You

33:48

know what I mean . You know , I mean whatever that average body is

33:50

at that position , you say , all right , we take his

33:52

athletic ability , put it into a running back's

33:54

body in the nfl .

33:56

We think he will perform like this you

34:01

could put a nba no , no , absolutely

34:03

. Then yeah , I mean , that's

34:06

a wash there , so a few others

34:08

.

34:08

they saying Bam , jimmy Butler

34:10

oh my God bro . I mean Sabonis

34:12

. Some of these people did play .

34:14

Dennis Smith Jr . What the fuck is Bam going to do on

34:16

the football field ?

34:17

What position is he going to play ?

34:20

Six foot nine to eight . They saying a good lineman

34:22

, I mean , but he

34:24

had to bulk up , though . I mean , like you said , I mean

34:26

there's six , nine linemen

34:28

in the league . I mean you see what happens .

34:30

He's like 340 , though Vernon Like he's

34:32

probably 240 .

34:34

You see how a lot of these guys like that's

34:36

coming in from college football to

34:39

play well , not college football but college basketball

34:41

to play in the NFL

34:43

. You see how long it's taking them to

34:45

adapt to the game . They ain't

34:47

just going to be able to just come in and just play

34:50

. And I think that

34:52

Austin Rivers kind of has

34:54

to look at like you

34:56

see , you know how long it takes , like Mo'Ali

34:59

Cox took him

35:01

probably about three or four years

35:03

before he actually was able to get some

35:05

real playing time , and

35:09

that's a long time .

35:10

No , I agree , they say David

35:13

Roddy from the Suns . I guess he had a D1

35:15

offer to play QB while he was

35:17

in high school in Minnesota . Who David

35:20

Roddy for the Suns ? He's 6'4" , 255

35:23

. They're saying he'd be a good lineman , but he played QB

35:25

in high school in Minneapolis

35:28

. I'm sorry .

35:28

Man don't , nobody know him . Man , these

35:30

are the random people they pick . I ain't just naming off

35:32

people . He sound like a

35:35

creative player on 2K .

35:37

He look like one too , but

35:40

nah , okay though

35:42

, do I think that there could be 30 guys

35:44

from the NBA with training

35:46

like

35:50

to actually go through practices in the training camp ? That could do something on the football field

35:52

. Yeah , and I see that opposite way as

35:54

well . All pro ? Probably not

35:56

.

35:57

So they say so like players who

36:00

like so opposite , so

36:02

NFL players that could play in the NBA . They say Mo

36:04

Ali Cox was one of them because he played you

36:07

can really just name a lot of basketball players

36:09

. That's converted yeah , they Keon

36:12

Coleman for the Bills he

36:14

played before . Mason Peline

36:17

for the Titans , for Niners , then

36:21

they said that some people they like to see play

36:23

like they talking about . They saying Bobby Wagner man

36:25

, I don't know about that Hell . No

36:27

, oh , wait a minute , he played basketball in

36:29

high school . Christian McCaffrey

36:32

, they saying he played three

36:34

sports football and basketball . He

36:36

played in high school .

36:38

Terrell Byer was an awesome basketball player

36:40

too , yeah , CJ .

36:41

Stratton , I think they kind of doing current . He played basketball

36:44

and he's dropped 30 . He

36:47

dropped 31 in the celebrity

36:49

All-Star game . Dang , that's different . Cooper

36:52

DeJohn for the Eagles hey , his

36:55

high school tape is cold .

36:55

That's what I was about to say . Did you see that

36:57

man ? Mick's tape ? Hey , it's

37:00

not cold , I ain't going to lie . He's spamming

37:02

on everybody .

37:04

Hey , he can hoop , yes

37:06

, he can hoop , they saying

37:08

. Dan Skipper tackled for the Lions

37:10

. He played in high school also , but

37:13

he's 16 , so he's the tallest player

37:15

in the NFL . They said you know , you can't teach height

37:17

. Devontae Adams Now see , I think he played two

37:19

sports . He played in high

37:21

school and he could have played in college

37:23

, they said , but

37:25

he chose football . Dejuan Jones tackle

37:28

for the Bears . He

37:32

played at Ben Davis . He had a D1 offer , ended up going to the NFL . Deforest

37:35

Buckner , they said , and he was Gatorade Player

37:37

of the Year in Hawaii . He averaged 12 and 10

37:39

as a senior in high school .

37:41

That's crazy .

37:42

Drake May hey , his highlights is cold

37:44

too . I

37:47

ain't see his . Yeah

37:49

, look up Drake May's . He got some highlights out there too . Garrett

37:52

Wilson he played basketball in

37:55

high school , so a lot of these guys played in

37:57

high school . Even jay javon dang jv on

37:59

clowny , he played in high school too . Power

38:01

forward he said he got a good

38:03

highlight reel too . Jamar chase a

38:05

lot of these guys played in high school

38:08

.

38:08

Joe burrow I'm watching cooper dejean's

38:11

, dejean's uh basketball highlights

38:13

and that's what I'm saying . You can tell that he's

38:15

a football first because like all his dunks

38:18

are like the same they're tight

38:20

, but they're just like the

38:22

body movements , like they're a little stiff , like

38:25

you can just tell that that's not his natural

38:27

, you know . But he's talented , he's

38:29

athletic , so he can make things happen

38:31

. But I could be tripping , but like

38:33

he just it looks , it

38:35

just looks .

38:36

You can tell when somebody needs to be , is supposed to be

38:38

on the football field , versus a basketball player .

38:40

Yeah , he definitely got it Like , even if you look at .

38:41

Miles Garrett , like you know what I mean . You

38:44

look at him like , yes , can he play ? Yes , but

38:46

like his movements , like unless

38:49

he's just out there messing around and he just dunking and stuff

38:51

like yeah , that looked cool , but like in a game , like they

38:53

were showing him in a pickup game and it's just like dude

38:57

, it doesn't look like you know what I mean , like

38:59

you used to running around picks and stuff

39:01

like that , like you would in NBA , yeah

39:03

, yeah . So I mean a

39:05

lot of people like Keenan , they saying Keenan Allen

39:07

makes them cry . All these guys played in high school . Mike

39:10

Evans , of course they say

39:12

Miles Garrett , nick Foles , Patrick

39:14

Mahomes he averaged 20 points

39:16

as a junior in high school he's probably

39:18

playing in 1A , probably

39:20

, I don't know . I'm

39:23

just reading some

39:25

of their stats and stuff . T

39:28

Higgins played shooting guard and

39:30

he had offers from Louisville , tennessee and Auburn

39:32

. Tj Hockinson he

39:34

played in high school . Travis Kelsey he played in high school

39:36

. Travis Kelsey he played in high school .

39:38

So now that you mention all these , for

39:41

sure , I think there's some guys that could

39:43

.

39:45

I think the guys in the NFL probably there's

39:48

a lot of guys that play some ball in

39:50

high school , but

39:53

vice versa , if you don't hear a lot of NBA guys

39:55

, you know what I mean . The other

39:57

way , like they play a lot of football

39:59

and ended up picking basketball , like

40:02

it's just like a lot of them guys that they were naming on

40:04

that end was like oh yeah , man , based on

40:06

his size and his athletic ability , we could see him playing

40:08

. It was probably like out of the 30 , it

40:10

was probably 10 that

40:13

had high school or college

40:15

basketball or

40:18

football background . So

40:21

I think Austin Rivers is wrong . I think it translates

40:24

better football and NFL you know football

40:26

players to the NBA and I feel like

40:28

you definitely can't name any

40:30

foreign players .

40:32

No , they don't even know the game of football

40:34

. Yeah no , ain't never even attempted

40:36

to play it To

40:38

me . You probably should leave it

40:40

up to American players when it comes to

40:43

that .

40:44

Absolutely . That's

40:47

crazy . We got

40:49

a comment there's

40:53

no gym basketball player that can go and

40:55

record their pickup football

40:57

game .

40:58

yeah no , I agree , yeah , yeah , that's

41:00

a great point too , like because I mean we you

41:03

know , they say oh well , you haven't seen an nba

41:05

player . I mean it's kind of hard . I mean can't

41:07

just go put pads on and just go out

41:10

there and do it . I mean anybody could go to a gym

41:12

where there's the YMCA or

41:14

you know whatever , and

41:16

hoop and look good , look bad , whatever , but

41:19

you know so .

41:20

I guess it's kind of hard to just walk

41:22

on through you know what I mean , like a mini camp

41:24

, and walk in and just start , you

41:26

know lining I mean , because even

41:28

I mean pads aside

41:30

, even if you're doing 707 drills and things of that

41:33

nature , like I

41:35

think , like you said , again , with the proper training and you put them with a position

41:38

coach for you know what I mean six

41:40

months , you know what I mean . There I think there would

41:42

be some guys who would be like , okay

41:44

, yeah , he can't bend the court . Okay , yeah , he is strong

41:46

enough to to get after the

41:49

quarterback , or you know what I mean . Or , like you

41:51

say , play corner is probably one of the hardest corner

41:53

and qb it probably be one of the hardest . But , like

41:55

you said , receiver , you know the ability to jump

41:57

, track a ball . It's the same thing in basketball when

41:59

you're catching a alley-oop or catching a pass

42:01

. You know what I mean . Like on the fast break and stuff

42:03

like that . You got to track the ball , have good hands . So

42:06

I think some of those players would uh , translate

42:09

, you know , like you said , as a receiver or tight end things

42:11

of that nature . Um

42:15

, he said , hell , no

42:17

, we can't hear it , so , but

42:20

we kind of , we kind of like , we kind of talked

42:23

about it anyway what it was saying . So all

42:25

right , man , let's jump to this last topic , man

42:28

, uh . So let's

42:30

see if we can hear this one . So charles barkley defends

42:32

darvin ham and Frank Vogel the

42:35

firing of those two . I'm

42:38

going to share this and

42:40

hopefully y'all can hear it . I

42:48

think this is a good one .

42:53

All the games we watch all the talk shows

42:55

. You know a lot of these people on television

42:57

. They're cowards . They want the

42:59

players to like them . They don't want to do their job

43:01

, which is to tell the truth . And

43:04

I just want to say this about Colby

43:06

Anybody who thinks

43:08

the reason the Lakers suck is because

43:11

of Darvin Ham or the reason the Suns suck is

43:13

because of Frank Vogel , you don't know what

43:15

you're talking about . Frank

43:17

Vogel is a hell of a coach . Darvin Ham is

43:19

a hell of a coach trying to get his career

43:21

started . But for all you punks

43:24

, idiots and jackasses on other networks

43:26

who want to be media and want

43:28

all the players to like y'all , do your damn

43:30

job . The Lakers suck

43:32

and the Suns suck because of the players

43:35

. It has nothing to do with the coaches . I

43:37

feel better now .

43:39

I can tell Looks like you're getting

43:42

that off your chest .

43:43

I did , I hate it , man . You said that later .

43:45

Darvin Ham needs to get fired . Frank Vogt needs

43:47

to get fired . Who put them teams together

43:49

? Them trash-ass teams put together

43:51

need to get fired . Them guys . They

43:54

didn't just all of a sudden suck as coaches

43:56

People who put them teams together

43:58

. They start packing up their stuff . A

44:00

little bit more on the game you just saw , by the way , the

44:03

Clippers .

44:05

All right . So , jared , you kind of been

44:07

waiting for this man . I

44:09

know we've heard throughout the year

44:12

your thoughts on Darvah

44:14

Ham . What do you think about

44:16

what Charles said ?

44:17

Okay , so he said all of a sudden , they

44:19

suck . When the hell have they

44:21

not sucked ? And

44:24

then he's saying both coaches are hell

44:26

of a coach , or whatever he said . Based

44:30

on what ? And

44:33

it's like he's trying to totally eliminate the

44:35

fact that coaches

44:38

out there coaches are responsible

44:40

for holding players

44:42

accountable . So if you see a bad habit

44:44

, it's on the coach to correct that . Right

44:46

or wrong . That's right . So

44:49

for your team to continue

44:52

to make the same mistakes , have

44:54

a lack of effort , have a lack of play

44:56

, don't know what they're doing , that's coaching

44:58

and it's just like . I think all these old

45:00

school players are just so jealous of these guys now

45:03

because of the money that they're making , so they want to

45:05

find a way to push that back . But

45:07

if you can't , if you're the coach

45:09

of a team with Kevin Durant , devin Booker

45:11

and Bradley Bill and you get swept

45:13

in the first round , that's on you , because

45:16

you're not figuring out how to get

45:18

that team to win , whether it's you

45:20

need to bring somebody off the bench , whether you need

45:22

to switch who has the ball here , whether you

45:24

need to rotate when

45:27

guys are in , when guys are out , or what positions

45:29

or what spots on the floor you want them to get . That's

45:32

all coaching . That's all coaching . So

45:36

I totally disagree with that . And he's trying to call

45:38

people idiots because they're not backing these coaches

45:40

that you know , outside of Frank

45:42

Vogel's 2020 championship with

45:45

LeBron and AD , he hasn't done

45:47

anything . And Darvin Ham this is his first

45:49

head coaching job he has done nothing

45:51

. So I think they

45:53

both deserve to lose their jobs . They're both horrible

45:56

coaches . What are we talking about ?

45:59

All right , boom . What do you think , man ?

46:01

I had to totally disagree . I

46:04

understand where he's

46:06

coming from , but let's

46:09

be real here . It's the GM's

46:12

fault all

46:14

the way across the board . For one , you're

46:16

bringing in these players and

46:18

you're bringing in these coaches . If

46:22

these coaches suck , why

46:24

you didn't see that during the interview process ?

46:28

And that's another thing . Who the hell decided

46:30

to bring in Darvin Hamm ?

46:32

That's what I'm saying .

46:33

Okay , so I actually agree with you

46:36

.

46:37

It's solely solely on

46:39

the GM . The Suns have had three head

46:42

coaches in three years . Get the

46:44

fuck out of here . If

46:46

I'm the owner and I'm paying

46:48

for three head coaches next year , oh

46:51

no , bro , you got to go because

46:54

at this point you're wasting

46:56

my money . I'm paying three dudes

46:58

to stay at home . I'm

47:00

about to pay a fourth . I'm about

47:03

to pay four head coaches for

47:05

this one team . No

47:08

, I'm ready to go .

47:10

You got on the flip side of that go ahead ahead

47:12

my bad .

47:14

And for the Suns case , they

47:16

shouldn't have never went after Bradley Beal

47:18

. When they was talking

47:20

about going after him , I

47:23

was like , do they

47:25

not see that you

47:27

have three ball handlers

47:29

, like three people that need the ball in their hands

47:32

to make plays , people

47:38

that need the ball in their hands to make plays , like Devin Booker ? He's not like , he's

47:40

not a run around catch and shoot type of guy . Kd is , he can

47:42

, he can possibly do that , but

47:44

Bradley Beal is not a facilitator

47:46

. He's not gonna be able to move

47:48

your offense like that . He

47:50

he's a shooting guard who needs that ball in

47:52

his hand . So he shouldn't

47:54

have never been traded for they didn't need that

47:56

much help . What they needed was a facilitator

47:59

at point guard , not

48:01

another combo guard playing

48:04

on that team . And then

48:06

for the Lakers standpoint , I

48:09

know everybody , I know a lot of people

48:11

are LeBron fans . I'm

48:13

not . I haven't been a LeBron fan since his last

48:15

year in Cleveland , the first time

48:18

, oh Jesus Christ . But

48:20

that that don't make me a hater , I'm just

48:22

. I know . I know what I know , I know

48:24

what I see . But for

48:27

LeBron's case , comparing

48:30

when , when you , when you come into

48:32

it , like let's

48:36

be real here , every time something messes up , it's the

48:38

coach's fault . It's the

48:40

coach's fault . Oh , we

48:42

need to get this player to help the team . We need

48:45

to get that player to help the team . When

48:48

has any players really developed with

48:51

LeBron and

48:53

I also saw earlier , that

48:56

was a great , great comment

48:59

Just let LeBron be the player

49:01

coach . If

49:04

these coaches keep getting fired , just

49:08

let LeBron be the player coach . If he's

49:10

the one who , at the end of the day , is going to

49:12

low-key , undermine these coaches , let

49:15

him just be the player coach . Let

49:17

him do his thing .

49:18

I ain't going to disagree with that . Let

49:20

it happen then , because the coaches clearly aren't on

49:22

shit .

49:23

So I mean but that's the thing

49:25

. Who wants to go coach a

49:27

LeBron-led team when they

49:30

feel like , oh , at the end of the season , I can

49:32

just lose my job ?

49:35

A coach with some balls , I could coach

49:37

them to win . So

49:39

any real coach with any established

49:41

system , okay . For

49:44

example , what is Darvah

49:47

Hems ? What is his favorite after timeout play ?

49:51

Oh , I don't know . He shouldn't have been a head coach to begin

49:53

with ?

49:54

Okay , all right oh

49:57

, I don't know . He shouldn't have been okay to begin with ? Okay , all right . Um , how does ? How does

49:59

he like to defend a point guard that likes to get to the free throw line extended

50:01

?

50:04

I can't even tell you my brother exactly .

50:06

I can't . Even I've watched every second . That's

50:08

, that's a problem . That's a problem

50:10

. So I mean , I don't , I don't care what anybody has to

50:12

say about you know so-and-so getting so-and-so

50:15

fired , that's an issue . Nobody

50:17

can answer any of these questions for me . How

50:19

do how ? Do we not know what his bread and butter

50:22

is ? On offense , you want me to tell you what

50:24

, uh , michael Malone's is . That

50:27

dribble handoff with with Yoke is at the top

50:29

of the key , with Murray getting Murray

50:31

going to his left-hand side so he can create

50:33

. They literally run that same

50:35

action almost every time down the court . That's

50:39

the sign of a coach who knows what

50:41

he wants to do and what the situation

50:44

is , and what he knows his guys

50:46

can do better than anybody else .

50:48

But you know what that comes with . That comes with continuity

50:51

. Mike Malone has been their coach for

50:53

years . I get that

50:55

you can't just bring

50:58

in , I don't care what nobody says , you

51:00

can't just bring in a coach and hope that

51:02

he will just get it done

51:04

.

51:06

With that kind of talent , you should be able to .

51:08

They don't have no talent . I'm sorry , it's

51:11

just LeBron and AD . That team has

51:13

a ton of talent but none of the guys

51:15

have roles .

51:16

That's another thing with coaching . You've

51:19

got to establish roles . You've got to say , hey , look

51:22

, for example , minnesota , jada McDaniels

51:25

bro , just lock up . We don't need you to

51:27

shoot threes , we don't need you to score , we

51:29

don't need you to create , we don't need you to do none of

51:31

that , just lock up . Don't

51:35

need to do none of that , just lock up . That's all you got to do . Anything you give offensively

51:37

is a bonus cool . Why can't you establish those kind of roles

51:39

with anybody ? On the lakers , it's , it's

51:41

just , it's a free-for-all . Um , you

51:44

know , d'angelo russell half you score 30

51:46

cool if you score a cool . Austin reeves

51:48

if you drop 22 cool . If you drop

51:50

12 , cool . It is what

51:52

it is . Nobody has role . And I also think that

51:54

the Lakers have had too much talent . When

51:57

you have too much talent with a coach , that's not

51:59

good . That can almost be a negative , because

52:01

after two years , darvisham still

52:03

doesn't know which five guys

52:05

he can get the most production out of . He

52:09

don't know which eight , seven

52:11

, eight guys that he wants to play

52:14

and let the rest sit . Granted , there has been some injuries

52:16

and people been in and out of the lineup , but as

52:18

a coach that's . Your only job

52:20

is to figure out what is

52:23

the best combination of guys on this

52:25

team for me to go out here and get a win . That's

52:27

it . And when you're on the opposite end

52:29

of a 14-2 run , ok , we

52:31

got to get something going to the basket , but instead

52:33

there's a five out and then Rui Hachimura

52:36

has an iso when

52:38

you're getting slid 14-2 , it's

52:40

just little stupid stuff like that , and maybe I watch

52:42

too much of one team , but that's trash

52:44

. That's a trash

52:47

coach . It's a trash coach

52:49

team . They have no concepts

52:51

, they have no go-to move , they have

52:54

no go-to plays . It's

52:56

a complete disaster .

53:01

And as a coach , it's your job to provide all that . But that circles all

53:03

the way back around . To whose father's

53:06

that ? Rob Palenka

53:08

.

53:08

Well , if you're going at it from a

53:10

, he shouldn't have never been hired . I agree with that

53:12

.

53:13

No , he shouldn't have never been hired . I agree with that , yeah , no , he shouldn't

53:15

have . When you have a team like that that

53:18

has two superstars

53:21

on the team , you can't bring in no

53:23

first-year coach . You

53:27

have to bring in a coach who has experience , who has , like

53:29

, legitimate experience , not just

53:32

because he played in the NBA . And

53:34

let's be real , darvah Ham he

53:37

was a benchwarmer in the NBA . And let's be real , darvish Ham he was

53:39

a bench warmer in the NBA . Right , he was weak . So you can't just

53:41

bring him in . And

53:43

it's his first year coaching , being a head coach

53:46

.

53:50

No , you need somebody who has at least 10 to 15 years of head coaching . That's all us LeBron

53:52

fans have ever been asking for .

53:53

He's never had that . But how

53:55

it's been played is he was handpicked

53:58

by LeBron .

54:00

And LeBron is not . And see , that's another thing

54:02

. People use that as a negative . That ain't

54:04

his job . That's just like if

54:06

I'm a mechanic , and

54:08

well let's just say if I'm a

54:10

school teacher , I'm a music teacher and you

54:12

have me work on your car , that's not my

54:14

fault that I can't fix your car . Or

54:16

you can't say that , oh well , you

54:19

know , jared told me I needed a brand

54:22

new crankshaft

54:25

. That you can't say , oh well

54:27

, jared , you did a bad job because that

54:29

ain't my job . So , like you can't be

54:31

penalized for doing something that's

54:33

that's not my job , so I can't

54:35

. I can't be penalized for doing something that's not my job , so I can't fault LeBron

54:37

for , oh well , lebron handpicked him . That ain't his job . So

54:41

if you're having , if you're an organization and you're having players

54:44

pick coaches , that says more about the organization than it says about

54:46

nobody ever said LeBron

54:48

was GM of the year . So

54:50

whether he does make a call or doesn't make a call

54:52

, if it's wrong , that's

54:55

not his job , so it doesn't even matter , that's

54:57

the way I see it , rob Palenka Got

54:59

to get him the fuck up out of there . Hey , I'm

55:02

cool with it . And just like people were probably like

55:04

damn well , you know , Frank Vogel

55:06

lost his job and

55:16

, bro , if you got them three guys on a team , you better figure something out to at least get out

55:18

of the first round you have to . You got dominated , you didn't make any changes . There was nothing

55:20

you can do to get those three all-star caliber players going going

55:23

, all nba caliber players going

55:25

like there's no way bro .

55:26

Hey , let's be , but let's be , hold on , let's

55:28

be real about it .

55:30

They fucking up the nuggets so got

55:32

to kind of be like , well , you

55:34

got to kind of toss it up because they

55:37

got the Nuggets down , see

55:39

, and the counter to that , though , is that there's

55:41

no reason why the Lakers , or the Suns , shouldn't

55:43

have been in the top four with Minnesota

55:46

and the

55:48

Nuggets .

55:49

I'm still You're talking about record-wise .

55:50

Okay , see , I don't know how they're

55:52

doing what they're doing with that roster . I don't know

55:54

how they're doing what they're doing with that roster .

55:56

I don't understand it , like I said , unless it is their coach .

55:57

That's really like a PhD

56:00

master basketball scientist

56:02

I don't know , but

56:06

there's no reason why the Lakers , with their talent , and the Suns with their talent

56:08

shouldn't have been in the top four of the conference

56:11

playing a lesser opponent , although the West was

56:13

kind of stacked this year .

56:16

It was , but you gotta . That's where that

56:18

whole chemistry and continuity come into play

56:20

. The Suns thrown

56:23

together , the Lakers have been thrown

56:25

together , okc

56:27

has been built . They've been

56:29

built from the ground up . They've

56:31

been working inside out

56:33

, the Lakers and the Suns outside

56:36

in . That's a good point . You

56:38

can have all the superstars in the world , all you want

56:40

. You can have some top 23

56:43

, top 20 players on your squad , but

56:45

if their games don't mesh , they

56:48

can talk all they want , they can talk about

56:50

and say , oh , we're going to do this and

56:52

that , but if their games don't actually

56:54

mesh on that court , it's

56:57

all for nothing .

56:58

I feel that I never thought

57:00

the Suns were going to be . I

57:03

never thought the Suns were going to like win it all , did

57:06

I think they had the talent , yeah , but I mean I think

57:08

they traded away a lot of the pieces that they actually need

57:10

. I think DeAndre Ayton probably

57:13

would have helped . He

57:16

could have gave you a little bit more scoring than Nurkic could have

57:18

. Obviously , cp3 being there would

57:20

have helped . I mean , they didn't have a point guard . So

57:22

when I heard the trade went through , I'm just like , well

57:24

, who's going to run point ? Booker is a scorer

57:26

, beal is a scorer , kd is a scorer

57:29

. Neither one of them guys none

57:32

of the three of those guys that I just named are are

57:34

set you up type players

57:36

you know or ? I'm gonna run the control

57:38

the pace type player , or I'm gonna set these guys

57:40

up type players . So I mean I've never . But

57:42

I mean you gotta have a talented guy at first round

57:45

, like I . That's .

57:46

That's just crazy but that's where

57:48

that . That's where that whole facilitating thing . Like

57:50

if cp , if cp3 was

57:52

playing on the suns instead of Bradley Beal

57:54

, I

57:57

feel like the Wolves might

57:59

have won , because you got to think before that

58:01

trade went down .

58:02

They made it out of the first round last year . Yeah , so

58:07

there's only two . Those are really the only

58:09

two players that switch , because the year before that was the

58:11

kd trade and that's when they lost pretty much

58:13

all their role players yeah so

58:16

. But you got to think you go from . You

58:19

go from nba finals

58:21

one year to

58:23

going and getting kd

58:26

, to making it to the second

58:28

round . And then you go , you get rid

58:30

of CP3 , and

58:32

you bring in Bradley Bill and you get bounced in

58:34

the first round . So like to

58:36

me , like I

58:38

agree with you Boom , like that's GM

58:40

, you know what I mean . Like

58:43

that's whoever's assembling the team

58:45

. You know what I mean . The coach can only

58:47

work with the players that he's given . He

58:49

don't get to go pick players , say , hey , bring me him , bring

58:51

me him , bring me him . And then coach it's

58:54

like hey , look , whoever walks in during

58:56

training camp , that's who I got to work with

58:58

. You know what I mean . The higher ups , the

59:00

front office , it's their job to give me the best

59:02

players .

59:06

And it's on me to coach them .

59:07

But another thing , and one of the biggest things in the NBA

59:09

that we kind

59:11

of gloss over or we don't look

59:14

at the human element of it is egos

59:16

Like a

59:18

lot of these . When you put a combination

59:21

of superstar

59:24

players together , sometimes it's egos

59:26

and people don't want to buy into

59:28

the system that the coaches you know maybe

59:31

present . So now you're putting this coach in a position like , okay

59:33

, I gotta find something that work , yeah , but every

59:35

time I'm trying to implement something you

59:37

know kd , like he came out and said he

59:40

didn't like his offensive role in the offense

59:42

, especially the second half of the year it's

59:44

like how do you not center

59:46

the offense around kd ? You know what I

59:48

mean . Like yeah , it's Devin Booker's team , but

59:51

KD is the one

59:53

player on your team that can do everything . And

59:55

to answer your question , coaching yeah

59:57

, that's what I'm saying , I'm just saying though , like

1:00:00

but if you get again

1:00:02

like Bradley Bill in and out the lineup

1:00:04

hurt . You know , here and there , here and there Devin

1:00:07

Booker in and out the lineup . You know like these

1:00:09

players , you know injuries play a part too

1:00:11

. Like you said , chemistry is huge . Because

1:00:13

you look at the Timberwolves They've been together for like almost

1:00:15

four years now . You know most of them since

1:00:20

that Rudy Gobert trade . And then you look at the Nuggets

1:00:22

. A lot of

1:00:24

them have been together for a long time . The

1:00:26

Corridor team has been together for a long time

1:00:28

. You know what I mean .

1:00:36

And you know what I mean . And , like you said , the lakers , they've been switching pieces out the past couple years . You know what I mean . We got too much , I know . I'm just saying about

1:00:38

all the guys that even didn't play like you had vanderbilt didn't play

1:00:40

, christian willard didn't play . Uh , gabe vincent missed almost

1:00:42

the entire

1:00:44

season , just like , but a lot of them guys is hurt , but like you

1:00:46

said again , like all I

1:00:49

mean injuries affect chemistry .

1:00:50

Also , you know what I mean when a guy's not

1:00:52

there . You know what I mean and you may be counting

1:00:54

on this production . You may be counting on a Vincent's

1:00:57

. You know 3 and D . You know like

1:00:59

, okay , that's really a key part of what I

1:01:01

want to do offensively , man he ain't here . I

1:01:03

don't have nobody who can really come in at

1:01:05

that level and fill that role . You

1:01:07

know what I mean . And you thinking about you know

1:01:09

, like the Suns , like they didn't have somebody to facilitate

1:01:12

. But you thinking like you said , jerry , when

1:01:14

you got those three guys , the

1:01:16

ball should be able to move . Y'all

1:01:18

been in the league long enough because this

1:01:20

is basketball at the end of the day . So , yes

1:01:23

, coaching plays a part , but y'all are

1:01:25

professional , y'all the best in the world .

1:01:27

so we still playing basketball at the end of

1:01:29

the day , and I respect that comment

1:01:31

, but then , if that's the case , then they might as well

1:01:33

just not have a coach .

1:01:35

I mean , you could say that a lot of times

1:01:37

. Um , uh

1:01:40

, ike is talking crazy . In the comments he said defund

1:01:42

the audio guy and the comment guy , because he said this

1:01:44

30 minutes ago . Um , I

1:01:46

don't know your , your comments are coming in late

1:01:48

, sir . I'm sorry , but so

1:01:50

I think I think it's a mixture of , like

1:01:52

you said , the front office putting the players together

1:01:54

, the coach getting buy-in from the

1:01:57

players , but then the players also going

1:01:59

out there and executing on a night-in

1:02:01

, night-out basis , you know . So

1:02:03

I think it's all three

1:02:05

.

1:02:07

Your players definitely have to buy-in to your

1:02:09

head coach and if the players aren't

1:02:11

buying in , like to me , they have to buy

1:02:13

in day one , like

1:02:16

when you're bringing in people like coaches

1:02:18

to interview . You need to have

1:02:20

, like your star players in there

1:02:22

a

1:02:25

part of that interview process , because they should

1:02:27

be sitting there okay in

1:02:29

certain stuff , like after the interview , the post-interview

1:02:32

, like giving their input on

1:02:34

how things is going to look during

1:02:36

the season , what ?

1:02:37

type of offense do you like to run ? What's your favorite defensive

1:02:39

set , Like you said , what is your favorite

1:02:41

play out of timeouts , Like

1:02:44

, okay , I like to you know what I mean and

1:02:47

kind of have a really a bonding moment

1:02:49

with these interviewers you know what I mean

1:02:51

with these coaches before you hire them , because , hey

1:02:53

look , the players are the most affected by it , Right

1:02:56

?

1:02:57

Because once a coach loses

1:02:59

the team , everything

1:03:02

goes awry . I don't care who you got

1:03:04

on that squad . Once the coach loses

1:03:06

the team , it goes awry . And you saw it with

1:03:09

the Lakers , like you saw

1:03:11

it in the playoffs . You goes awry . And you saw it with the Lakers . You saw it in the playoffs when

1:03:13

that final game it was basically

1:03:15

blowing off Darvaham Hell

1:03:17

. After the game they was already talking about him losing

1:03:20

his job . Wait a minute .

1:03:22

And I

1:03:26

think the Lakers is a

1:03:28

bad example . And I'm only going to say that because

1:03:30

one

1:03:32

or two shots , that game

1:03:34

is set . That's a seven game series yeah

1:03:36

you know I mean .

1:03:37

So it wasn't like they were getting that's

1:03:42

a Lakers 4-1 victory .

1:03:43

That's what .

1:03:44

I'm saying like they didn't get dominated and

1:03:46

I think and and we can

1:03:48

pretty much the same team

1:03:50

went to the Western Conference Finals last year

1:03:52

, so I don't think

1:03:54

it's all coaching . I

1:03:56

think it's just . Situations are situational

1:03:59

and sometimes like they say the ball don't matter

1:04:01

.

1:04:01

Situation is 100% coaching

1:04:03

. Bro , you literally took

1:04:05

that's a coaching word . Situationally

1:04:08

, the Lakers are terrible coaching

1:04:13

word .

1:04:13

Okay , so situationally the lakers are terrible , but look at the look

1:04:15

at the , look at the last two shots that . Or look at the shots that murray

1:04:17

hit like you , look , you hit that over a over . Anthony

1:04:20

davis , probably one of the best players

1:04:22

, and you know what I mean . The first one .

1:04:24

The first one he made . Your team is up 20

1:04:26

in the third quarter , right , but I never got

1:04:29

to that . And also the

1:04:31

the . The second one that he hit was

1:04:33

that . Yeah , the second

1:04:35

one . The second game where he hit in game , what five

1:04:38

. You don't even have a timeout . You

1:04:40

had three seconds left after that shot went in

1:04:42

. But your , your , your

1:04:44

coaching strategy so terrible . You didn't even

1:04:46

have a timeout left so . So they had to

1:04:48

just push it up the court and throw up some bullshit .

1:04:50

Yeah , but I mean again , like

1:04:53

that's just a player's season in the moment

1:04:55

. Like Murray hit two clutch

1:04:58

shots , I get that , but it shouldn't have even

1:05:00

gotten to that though . Right , but I'm just thinking . Let's

1:05:02

say the Lakers make it to the Western Conference Finals

1:05:04

again , like if they'd have made it this year we're

1:05:06

not calling for darvin ham's job , and even

1:05:08

if they don't want all those games by one point , let's

1:05:11

say every game they won in the playoffs they won by one

1:05:13

point . A last possession he's

1:05:15

been terrible .

1:05:16

He never should have got the job . He's been terrible

1:05:18

. I haven't seen any . Like I said , after two

1:05:20

years , bro , we can't even diagnose anything

1:05:23

that he likes to do . That's good . We

1:05:25

don't even know what he likes to do . I

1:05:27

can't say , oh yeah , well , Darvin Ham likes to

1:05:29

run the pick and roll with LeBron and

1:05:32

AD likes to put pressure on the defense that way . So

1:05:34

he's going to bank on that , you know , to start

1:05:36

the game and then he's going to switch to you know

1:05:38

X , Y , Z or he's going to . He likes to

1:05:40

post LeBron up at this point in the game

1:05:42

when he need a bat . We can't have this

1:05:44

conversation about this guy . We don't

1:05:47

even know what he likes to do , because it's nothing that

1:05:49

he does good For every

1:05:51

coach . There should be some dialogue as a oh

1:05:53

yeah , he likes to do this , or his teams

1:05:55

are always this , or his teams

1:05:57

are rarely ever this or his

1:06:00

teams never give up big leads or his team

1:06:02

always plays defense .

1:06:04

We can't say anything about it . We can't say any

1:06:06

of that . I got a question then . So is Greg

1:06:08

Popovich a bad coach ?

1:06:10

I don't know what's going on with him now .

1:06:12

He's had his glory days , the same rules

1:06:15

have to go .

1:06:16

He could be a very terrible coach now , but

1:06:18

also those teams are booty

1:06:20

.

1:06:22

I don't know what the Spurs are trying to do . Okay , but again like so , that

1:06:25

team sucks .

1:06:27

Whenever your best player is a rookie . It's

1:06:29

the same team , same same front office

1:06:32

and it's not even close

1:06:34

, so you can't compare the level

1:06:37

of talent on the Spurs to the level of talent

1:06:39

on the Lakers but then when you're talking

1:06:41

about coaching , then you also gotta if

1:06:44

there's a player factor in that too you could say okay , we

1:06:46

know , greg Popovich is a great coach .

1:06:48

Why is he not getting getting the getting

1:06:50

the results out of these players that he got out

1:06:52

of ?

1:06:53

Because they're not good . Just like a coach can

1:06:55

be good , players can be not good

1:06:57

too . Like I'm not saying that there's no

1:06:59

, every player is good . I never said that . No

1:07:01

, I'm not . Because all I'm saying is

1:07:04

, with the talent that you have

1:07:06

, there should be a certain expectation . With

1:07:08

the talent that Popovich had , there was no

1:07:10

expectation . With the talent that Popovich had , there was no expectation

1:07:13

With the talent that they've had the last three or four years . I mean

1:07:15

, the best players that have been on the Spurs the last

1:07:17

three or four years , or something like that , has been

1:07:19

DeJounte Murray , which isn't there anymore

1:07:21

, and Wimby . Wimby is double

1:07:24

the player as a rookie , maybe

1:07:26

triple or quadruple the player that any other

1:07:28

person on the roster is as a rookie . You're

1:07:31

not going to win many games like that . When

1:07:33

you have a rookie comes in , that's four times better

1:07:35

than the second best player on the team . You're

1:07:38

not going to win . You're not going to win . So

1:07:41

that I don't . Nah , you don't have a

1:07:43

LeBron , you don't have

1:07:45

an AD , you don't have all these guys that

1:07:47

have done some great things at points

1:07:49

in their career but all of a sudden , a coach

1:07:51

can't find out a way to get them going , can't come

1:07:54

up with a rotation that fits , you

1:07:56

know , said players with the actual talent

1:07:58

. The Spurs have been a trash team for

1:08:00

four years . So I don't . That just

1:08:02

doesn't compare to me Popovich should have . He should have

1:08:04

been retired , exactly , exactly

1:08:07

. I think Popovich is overstaying his , you

1:08:09

know it's like Belichick .

1:08:11

It's like Belichick at a certain point .

1:08:13

It's like , ok , you can't just be

1:08:15

elite forever , just

1:08:17

like , eventually LeBron's going to slow down . I don't know when

1:08:20

, but well , he has slowed down , but eventually

1:08:22

he's not going to even be able to average 25 . Like

1:08:25

if there's an ending for everybody

1:08:27

. And I just think Popovich might have been

1:08:29

, might have made it too , but he's

1:08:32

put in his work , he

1:08:35

got five championships . I think he should have retired when .

1:08:36

Tim Duncan and them retired . He

1:08:39

should have had his swan song when they

1:08:41

won their last championship . I

1:08:43

agree with that he should have went out with them for

1:08:45

sure , because I mean he's old .

1:08:47

He's probably 75

1:08:50

, 74 .

1:08:51

Yeah , he could have easily just went into

1:08:54

the front office . He up there and

1:08:57

, you know , found out who his successor

1:08:59

could be .

1:09:02

I mean shit , he let a lot of them go . Like

1:09:04

you , think of all the coaches that have worked . Yeah

1:09:06

, he's 75 years old . I think of all the coaches

1:09:09

that have been under him Steve Kerr , budenhoser

1:09:12

homeboy

1:09:15

that's coaching the Rockets right now . I

1:09:18

mean , his coaching tree goes on and on and on

1:09:21

.

1:09:23

I think you gotta hold players

1:09:25

to the same . If you're gonna hold coaches

1:09:30

to this high standard as far as the

1:09:32

success of the team , you've

1:09:37

got to hold the superstar players

1:09:39

to that same count too , like okay , did

1:09:41

you do everything in your power ? You

1:09:44

know what I mean . I think you've got to go deeper into

1:09:47

analyzing it . I don't think it's always the coach

1:09:50

and I don't think it's always the coach , especially a

1:09:52

rookie coach . I think Frank

1:09:54

Vogel's been in the league long enough and

1:09:56

showed that when you give him talent

1:09:58

, his teams can perform .

1:10:01

He did win a championship . That's what

1:10:03

I'm saying .

1:10:05

He kept a very

1:10:08

mediocre Pacer

1:10:10

team afloat for a couple years too

1:10:12

. So , like I don't think that's just all

1:10:14

coaching on him . You know

1:10:16

what I mean . Darvin Hamm is a new coach , so , yeah , he probably

1:10:19

hasn't don't have all the philosophies

1:10:21

, and he come from an assistant head coach which

1:10:23

we don't know . You know how

1:10:26

he was at the Bucs or what his role was at the Bucs

1:10:28

? You know what I mean ?

1:10:33

Or even was he being truly prepped to be a head coach ?

1:10:35

eventually ? Probably not . I'm just saying

1:10:37

. I'm just looking at Frank Vogel because

1:10:40

I think it's a better testament of somebody being

1:10:42

fired unjustly than

1:10:45

Darvin Ham , somebody who's really still

1:10:47

a rookie coach , because a lot of guys

1:10:49

that go to teams at least have , like you said , four

1:10:51

or five years . But you've got to build that up and

1:10:53

maybe Darvin Hillman will get a chance somewhere else you know

1:10:55

what I mean and to be able to build that resume

1:10:58

and to dig more into what worked and what didn't

1:11:00

work and have some be able to self-analyze

1:11:02

his time with the Lakers and be like , okay , cool , this

1:11:04

is what I could have did . And maybe

1:11:06

his next chance , maybe he can start off as an assistant

1:11:08

and work his way up again and , you know , prove

1:11:11

that he's grown from that experience

1:11:13

. But I don't just

1:11:15

think that hey , look if there's a different

1:11:17

coach in there , that what happened with

1:11:19

the Lakers totally changed

1:11:22

or they're not in that same position based

1:11:24

on the players they have and the injuries and

1:11:26

the situations . I don't think that just that

1:11:28

turns them into a 1

1:11:31

, 2 , 3 , 4 seed . You know what

1:11:33

I mean ? I

1:11:35

don't think that , if

1:11:37

they have that much talent that they were in

1:11:39

what ninth and

1:11:41

you're saying one coach can take them to

1:11:44

top four in the West .

1:11:46

There's a lot of coaches that need to be fired in

1:11:48

the NBA . You're not

1:11:51

lying . I agree with that too .

1:11:53

But it comes with continuity and if he can

1:11:55

control that room .

1:11:56

Because you look , okay , look at Miami , then Eric

1:11:59

Sposia should be gone .

1:12:01

Then , based on that analogy , I've

1:12:04

never been on the Eric Sposia train , so I'm

1:12:06

going to just leave that one alone .

1:12:10

He got it up to four straight NBA finals

1:12:12

, didn't he ?

1:12:13

Yep , lebron yes , and he

1:12:16

went to one with .

1:12:17

LeBron , I

1:12:19

feel like if he was a coach , they would have won all

1:12:21

four .

1:12:24

No , they wouldn't have . He took

1:12:26

Jimmy Butler . There's no way a

1:12:28

LeBron James , coach by me , is going to end the game with eight points . There's no way LeBron James

1:12:30

, coached by me , is going to end the game with eight points

1:12:32

. There's no way he's going to have

1:12:34

50 field goal attempts . Like bro , you're going

1:12:37

to score more than that , for sure . You're going

1:12:39

to score more than that .

1:12:39

Why he didn't then ?

1:12:42

That's why I'm not on him as a

1:12:44

coach Like I don't know . He's

1:12:46

not doing it now . He wasn't doing that before .

1:12:48

He's not doing it now . He wasn't doing that before . He's

1:12:50

not that 50-point

1:12:53

scorer like that , Like he's not that high-value

1:12:55

scorer because he's looking to facilitate

1:12:58

. Lebron is a facilitator

1:13:00

at his best . He

1:13:05

can get his shots , but he wants to facilitate . He's a leading scorer of all time

1:13:07

. He's not

1:13:09

that type . He's played 21 fucking

1:13:12

seasons , of course .

1:13:17

But there's been a lot of people who've played 20-plus

1:13:19

seasons . There's nowhere near him in scoring

1:13:21

.

1:13:21

Nowhere near him , not even top 20 in scoring

1:13:23

, but he's not that type

1:13:25

of scorer , he's not that 50-point

1:13:27

scorer .

1:13:28

Are you going by eye ?

1:13:29

test or what he's not that

1:13:32

50-point scorer , are you going by ?

1:13:33

eye test or what ? He's not that 50-point ? If he was , why

1:13:35

doesn't he put enough 50 points a ?

1:13:37

game , but two years ago he averaged 30

1:13:39

. Like

1:13:42

he's , he averaged 34 a season two years ago . This is

1:13:44

two years ago , so that's year 20 .

1:13:47

That's what kills me about who else did they

1:13:49

have on ?

1:13:50

the team to score .

1:13:51

Oh , he was both somebody

1:13:57

got a score oh , no

1:13:59

, man , he's been different that's

1:14:03

why I be trying to stay away all

1:14:06

I'm saying is you can't say the man is not a scorer .

1:14:08

That's all I gotta say . You can't say the man is not a scorer

1:14:10

, that's all I got to say . You can't say he's

1:14:12

not a scorer . He is a scorer , he's a facilitator , he's

1:14:15

played 20-something odd seasons

1:14:17

. Listen , he's

1:14:19

a very , very good passer

1:14:21

, but he's also an elite scorer

1:14:23

.

1:14:25

Let me ask you this so how much does a scorer

1:14:28

average for a career ? Yeah

1:14:31

, who do you consider a ? Score we're

1:14:34

talking about averages , so that means you could play one

1:14:36

season . You could play 30 seasons . We're speaking

1:14:38

on averages , so the amount of years is completely

1:14:40

thrown out .

1:14:42

So are you saying he's a more elite scorer than

1:14:44

Jordan and Kobe ? I

1:14:47

mean he's elite .

1:14:47

Because when they were playing in their primes , they were

1:14:49

playing in their primes . They were playing in their prongs forever and

1:14:53

he has a higher field goal percentage than all those guys

1:14:55

.

1:14:56

I would say he's just as good a scorer as any of

1:14:58

those . Yeah , you gotta give it to him he's a leading

1:15:00

scorer ever .

1:15:01

I'm not giving that just cause

1:15:03

he got the record

1:15:04

wait a minute he can get to

1:15:07

the rim like AI

1:15:09

a

1:15:11

lot of conversations lack facts .

1:15:14

I'm just saying his jump shot is now . His

1:15:16

fadeaway is unstoppable

1:15:20

now .

1:15:24

Why did they get swept ? If he's dead , why did they

1:15:26

get swept ? Because , the coach sucks . We've been talking

1:15:28

about that for a long time . Don't move the

1:15:30

goal post . Hold on for hours . Don't move the goal post . Hold on wait . Don't

1:15:33

move the goal post , Because

1:15:36

if he's this elite scorer , why

1:15:38

wasn't he doing what Jalen Brunson is

1:15:40

doing Getting 40 points damn near a night

1:15:42

, Okay and then what is the

1:15:44

rest of his team doing ? Where have you been the

1:15:46

last two decades ? If

1:15:49

he was this elite , if he was that now

1:15:51

, why did they get swept ? Okay

1:15:54

, let me get this straight . Why did they get swept ?

1:15:57

First , they didn't get swept . Second we've

1:16:00

been talking about this for a half hour they got a gentleman

1:16:02

swept .

1:16:02

They got a gentleman swept . Coach

1:16:04

is trash .

1:16:05

We've been talking about that for a half hour . That's

1:16:07

been my thesis the entire time . Lebron

1:16:10

did enough for them to be able to win

1:16:12

AD did enough for them to be able

1:16:14

to win .

1:16:15

And I can say for once , I can say

1:16:17

for once AD

1:16:20

held up his end of the board .

1:16:23

The Lakers led for 80%

1:16:25

of the series Time out .

1:16:27

LeBron had , literally the past

1:16:29

couple years , been dragging this

1:16:32

team to every

1:16:35

single win that they were getting . They were the regular

1:16:37

season playoffs . He had been dragging

1:16:39

them .

1:16:40

The Lakers led 80% of

1:16:42

that series . He's probably the only

1:16:44

coach that lost a series after

1:16:47

leading 80% of it . That's

1:16:49

literally all coaching . That's not

1:16:51

talent If you can't win a series

1:16:53

when you've led 80% of the entire

1:16:55

series . The Lakers were leading , winning

1:16:58

the game . You had a double-digit lead in

1:17:00

every single game and

1:17:02

you can't manage your roster to hold those

1:17:04

leads . That's coaching all day . That's

1:17:06

coaching Whether somebody's getting burned out

1:17:08

, whether something's getting exploited

1:17:11

, whether you have too many turnovers , whether

1:17:13

it's just so many factors , whether

1:17:15

Denver gets no spells to

1:17:17

where they score every single time

1:17:20

down the court . There's a chunk of a fourth

1:17:22

quarter where Denver literally gets a basket

1:17:24

of foul free throws every single time

1:17:26

down the court .

1:17:27

That's also the

1:17:31

plan .

1:17:31

goes on the players too , like y'all

1:17:33

have to play

1:17:36

it's a simple dribble

1:17:39

handoff Every single time

1:17:41

down the court , blitz it , do

1:17:43

something different , hedge it , do

1:17:45

something Like , do something , switch

1:17:47

, do something , change up something

1:17:50

. Please , it's not that complicated

1:17:52

.

1:17:53

Maybe the players didn't buy in the Darvish Ham philosophy

1:17:55

.

1:17:55

If I'm a defensive , coordinator and my

1:17:57

corners are getting burnt on a deep route every

1:18:00

single possession . Let's

1:18:03

try cover two . Let's get some safety , help Split

1:18:05

the field . Or let's go cover three , where we break

1:18:07

it up in thirds . Let's go cover four , where

1:18:10

we break it up in fourths . I'm not just going to keep

1:18:12

letting my man just on an island

1:18:14

, just get burnt .

1:18:18

I deserve to lose my job .

1:18:19

Of course I deserve to lose my job If

1:18:21

I keep doing that same thing .

1:18:22

that's getting exploited the same kind of way . I

1:18:24

deserve to lose my job . Now

1:18:28

if Darvin Ham changes up stuff

1:18:30

and then they just keep hitting shots , alright cool

1:18:33

. I ain't saying that they should have won the championship . They

1:18:35

weren't the best team , but they were better

1:18:37

than what they showed . Leading

1:18:39

a series 80% of the minutes and you lose

1:18:41

4-1 is crazy . That's

1:18:43

nuts , that's lose

1:18:45

job worthy . That's all I have

1:18:47

to say about that . Yeah .

1:18:50

Nowadays too . I want to end

1:18:52

on this . Nowadays , the

1:18:55

commitment to defense in

1:18:58

the NBA is hard to get by in on the

1:19:00

defensive end , so no

1:19:02

lead is ever safe . We've seen that throughout

1:19:04

the past almost

1:19:07

10 years as the NBA has been changing

1:19:09

over to this super fast-paced offensive

1:19:11

league . No lead

1:19:13

is safe . Being up 20 , yeah

1:19:16

, it sounds good , but nowadays

1:19:18

being up 20 is like being up five

1:19:20

, especially when a team is up five , because

1:19:23

in five possessions it could be

1:19:25

a tie game .

1:19:26

If you're letting Rui Hachimura iso

1:19:28

, like of course , yeah , you're

1:19:31

going to lose leads if you're letting Rui Hachimura iso , like of course

1:19:33

, yeah , you're going to lose leads if you're letting Rui Hachimura iso when

1:19:35

you're on the opposite end of a 14-2 run

1:19:37

.

1:19:38

I'm just saying , too , you got to

1:19:40

lock in on the defensive end too when

1:19:42

you get up 20 . You're like , okay , we got

1:19:44

this lead . Not only do we got to sustain it , we

1:19:46

also got to get stops . That's another point

1:19:48

I made , that we also got to get stops .

1:19:49

That's another point I made . Establish roles Nobody on the Lakers

1:19:51

has a role . It's literally YMCA pickup

1:19:53

basketball . You can have all

1:19:55

the talent in the world , but if a coach is not there

1:19:58

to facilitate that basketball

1:20:00

game you're going to lose . And I think that

1:20:02

was the case with the Lakers and the Suns this year .

1:20:06

All right man . Well , I guess I can Any

1:20:10

final thoughts I got one , let's go

1:20:12

ahead .

1:20:14

Go ahead .

1:20:15

Let's defund the Caitlyn Clark hate . I'm

1:20:18

so sick of it . Oh yeah , that's

1:20:20

crazy . I mean I see the most wildest

1:20:22

outlandish comments every single day

1:20:24

. It's just like

1:20:27

it's s

1:20:30

sickening , for lack of a better word

1:20:32

. Like can we please just

1:20:34

let this girl who , like I

1:20:36

, don't understand what it is about her that

1:20:38

it's not even a white and black thing . I see

1:20:41

white people hating too .

1:20:42

It's really like people are just so jealous

1:20:44

that they can't even control it and

1:20:46

they just spew it out on the internet and you

1:20:49

know bro , we

1:20:51

gotta , we gotta stop , we gotta stop I mean

1:20:53

especially for , especially for now , like

1:20:55

with this pool of wmba

1:20:58

talent that just came into the league , that's really

1:21:00

gonna , I think

1:21:02

, gonna elevate it to that next level

1:21:04

and it should it should . You know what I mean ? It's

1:21:06

like anything . Everybody

1:21:09

should be supporting the

1:21:11

wmba and trying to push it to that next level

1:21:13

, because we all complain about oh man , don't get paid that

1:21:15

much . Oh , they ride commercial airplanes

1:21:18

like commercial flights . Oh , we complain

1:21:21

about it as men , and even NBA

1:21:23

players . They , everybody who's

1:21:25

invested in basketball complain about it . Invested in basketball complain

1:21:28

about it . But then when you

1:21:30

get these wave of players who's changing

1:21:32

the game , who's

1:21:36

trying to take it and elevate it to that next level with a popularity and NILs and all this

1:21:38

stuff , now we start shitting

1:21:40

on them . It's like you know , and Caitlyn

1:21:42

, unfortunately I ain't going to say unfortunately , but

1:21:45

being white in a

1:21:47

predominantly black sport , that's

1:21:50

now going to be the face of the WNBA

1:21:52

. Whether people want to like it or not , she's

1:21:54

going to be the face of the WNBA . People

1:21:57

don't like that and it's . I

1:21:59

think it sucks .

1:22:00

I mean get over it . Get over it , it's

1:22:02

stupid .

1:22:04

I've seen , you know , I've seen a lot of people

1:22:06

just say a lot of outlandish things too . And it's

1:22:08

like , you know , the

1:22:11

wnba and the players

1:22:13

and the , the , the people

1:22:15

who support it , have always said please

1:22:17

come to our games , please do this , please

1:22:20

support the league to make it elevate

1:22:22

. And

1:22:37

so what if Kaitlyn

1:22:39

, like bro , she just broke the record

1:22:42

, well , quote unquote broke the NCAA

1:22:44

scoring record . You know

1:22:46

she deserves that hype

1:22:48

. You know let's be real here . You know she deserves

1:22:50

that hype . You know , let's be real here . If anybody

1:22:52

else was to trade places with her , wouldn't

1:22:55

nobody be talking about Iowa . Nope , they

1:22:57

wouldn't be so . And

1:23:00

her game is just so fluid , Like

1:23:02

she's not just a scorer

1:23:04

, she

1:23:06

facilitates , she gets in the pass , Like

1:23:11

, and she plays defense here and there . But

1:23:14

you know , she's

1:23:16

a damn good ball player and she's

1:23:18

not looking to take like you've never

1:23:20

heard her just come out and say , oh

1:23:23

I'm this , I'm that , Like this and

1:23:25

that , Like whatever trash talk that she

1:23:27

do during the game , everybody

1:23:29

does it , Everybody does it . So

1:23:32

it's like what she supposed to be nice

1:23:34

, Is she supposed to be like oh my gosh , I'm sorry

1:23:36

. No , she don't talk , no

1:23:39

shit , because she can do that

1:23:41

.

1:23:41

I don't even think she be getting out of hand with that . Even

1:23:43

I feel like it's .

1:23:46

It's what everybody do . In the heat of the game

1:23:48

, you go talk your shit .

1:23:50

Yeah , nah , I agree , I agree with that Boom

1:23:55

. What's your final ?

1:23:56

thoughts . Man , man

1:24:05

, honestly man , I'm just . I'm with everybody right now in the well , really

1:24:07

in the United States , with this whole official thing

1:24:10

that's going on with this Pacers-Knicks series

1:24:12

. It's

1:24:15

kind of hard to watch , man , because you

1:24:17

want to just see good basketball

1:24:20

and when

1:24:22

you start calling

1:24:25

play , like you just start calling

1:24:27

the wrong fouls and

1:24:30

just it's just

1:24:34

. To me it's not good for the league . I don't care what nobody

1:24:36

say , it's not because you're not getting

1:24:38

this same thing

1:24:40

in the other series where the

1:24:43

officials are , you're not being consistent Outlandish calls

1:24:45

or they're not doing this and that , like you're

1:24:47

not getting that in these other series , and the other series

1:24:50

are okay , even though

1:24:52

everybody is up a

1:24:55

game to none or two games to none

1:24:57

, you're not getting them

1:24:59

type of calls . The crazy point

1:25:02

is .

1:25:03

They're rotating refs , though , so I don't know

1:25:05

. I know .

1:25:06

That's what that part is about .

1:25:07

That really kind of makes it really sketchy . When

1:25:09

you look at it it's like okay , why is , even

1:25:12

though we're rotating refs , why , in this

1:25:14

series particularly , there's so many

1:25:16

bad calls ? You know , what I mean

1:25:18

and refs have already been investigated

1:25:20

for you know gambling and

1:25:23

all those things . And then you also look

1:25:25

at the NFL having the same issue , for

1:25:27

some reason , when it comes to the playoffs in

1:25:30

these leagues . Like it's something

1:25:32

with the playoffs in these leagues , like it's something

1:25:34

with the refs that they feel like they have to put

1:25:36

their imprint on the game , when

1:25:38

really in the playoffs , that's when

1:25:40

you should be letting the players play the most

1:25:42

. Like

1:25:49

I'm not saying letting them blatantly break the rules or you know

1:25:51

, get away with hard fouls and things of that nature . You know , keep it . You know , keep

1:25:53

it somewhat contained , you know what I mean . But

1:25:55

also let them play . This is supposed to be

1:25:57

the best of the best . And ticky

1:26:00

, tack fouls , people fouling out , throwing out

1:26:02

you know these , these pity pat

1:26:04

texts and stuff . And the same thing in NFL . Like

1:26:06

missed calls , like there's

1:26:08

too many cameras on , there's too many cameras

1:26:10

in these arenas and these stadiums for

1:26:12

it to be all these missed calls

1:26:15

without reviews . I don't think you should

1:26:17

have to use challenges to review

1:26:19

some of these . Like there

1:26:21

should be a replay center that should be able to go

1:26:24

right into the ear of the ref hey , look , we need to look

1:26:26

at this last play , and

1:26:28

it should be like that . It's too

1:26:30

much technology out here .

1:26:31

Go ahead Derek .

1:26:34

So the Cavaliers just beat the Celtics .

1:26:36

Yeah , they just whooped them . What yeah

1:26:39

? 94-18 . Yeah

1:26:41

, they just beat them by 24 .

1:26:44

So the spaces I was making wasn't at what you were

1:26:46

saying , I just clicked on it . I'm like

1:26:48

it just popped up on my phone .

1:26:49

I looked over I was like I just clicked on it . I'm like it just popped up on my phone . I looked over I

1:26:51

was like , ooh , let me keep going because Boone was in the middle of talking . I didn't want to interrupt

1:26:53

him .

1:26:53

But yeah , Shit , you damn near

1:26:55

could have stopped me . And how the hell ? 24-point

1:27:01

loss at the crib . Yeah , bro

1:27:03

, like how

1:27:06

does that even happen ?

1:27:09

And we were just talking hey an hour ago , we were just talking about a sweep

1:27:11

.

1:27:12

Man Plus 38, . Bro Jalen

1:27:15

Brown was a negative 29 . Tatum

1:27:17

was a negative 22 .

1:27:19

Donovan dropped 29 again , crazy

1:27:21

.

1:27:23

And that's it . He just dropped 29

1:27:25

. He ain't dropped 50 . 29

1:27:28

. Was enough . And y'all lost

1:27:30

like that at home . And

1:27:32

you can't sit back and say , oh well

1:27:34

, you know , we missed Porzingis , bro

1:27:37

. You got Tatum , you got Brown

1:27:40

and Derrick White has been balling

1:27:42

the fuck out .

1:27:43

Drew Holiday y'all two-time . Al

1:27:45

Horford , y'all two-time .

1:27:48

Man , that's crazy . I thought that was weird

1:27:50

. When I seen it at first . I'm like nah .

1:27:52

Yeah , I would have thought that was a typo . There

1:27:54

ain't no way . And then my computer be tweaking

1:27:56

.

1:27:57

I was like maybe this took me back , maybe I need to reset

1:27:59

. Yeah , maybe this is a game

1:28:01

during the season or something Like . Nah

1:28:03

, bro , they got out-rebounded

1:28:05

by 13

1:28:08

. Boston scored 30 points in

1:28:10

the second half , total 16 in the

1:28:12

fourth . Wow , that ain't going to cut

1:28:14

it .

1:28:15

Yeah , nah , that ain't going to cut it , man . All

1:28:17

right , man . Well , I guess , with that said man

1:28:20

, I just want to thank y'all for watching

1:28:22

. Everybody who tuned in , man . Thank Boom , of

1:28:24

course , jared is always with me , man . I appreciate

1:28:26

y'all , man , and