2:00

That's not what the podcast is about

2:02

not at all. Well, but it's it's

2:04

based off that right? Yes, sir I mean we we

2:06

came up with this this well I say we I'm gonna

2:09

say we came up with this idea but it's an

2:11

idea that has existed for ever since

2:13

Wikipedia has existed So

2:15

what we do is we get a

2:17

destination From a guest and

2:19

that was what you were able to provide for us

2:21

both the times that you were on So

2:24

we start on a Wikipedia page That

2:26

is where we ended the week before

2:29

and then we have to get to wherever the destination is

2:31

that our guests give us But we can only use the

2:33

links on the pages. So some

2:35

people call us a wiki race Kids

2:38

do it in school when they don't want to pay attention

2:40

to their teachers We thought that this

2:42

might be a fun idea for a podcast. So we

2:44

started doing that but Jethro your idea was to

2:46

call it drunkards walk Somehow

2:49

related to that book, right? So

2:51

there's this group called the skeptic society and

2:53

they do lectures at Caltech back when I

2:55

lived in LA and Leonard

2:57

Mlod now Was one

2:59

of the one of the guys who did a lecture there

3:01

and the idea of a drunkards walk

3:03

Which is just a random walk so

3:06

the whole mathematical conceit of a drunkards

3:08

walk is let's suppose you and I

3:10

leave from the same point of origin

3:12

and then at every intersection

3:14

we flip a coin to turn left or right

3:16

and Eventually, we'll

3:18

run into each other So

3:21

even though we're randomly turning left or

3:23

right at every possible intersection We'll

3:25

randomly run into each other and that's the idea

3:27

of a drunkards walk which is equivalent to the

3:29

idea that if you leave a point of origin

3:32

you will randomly run back into that point of

3:34

origin at some Point and that's

3:36

the whole idea behind the whole Ridiculous

3:39

Wikipedia podcast that we do but also

3:41

I should say that there's a

3:43

fair amount of adversarial

3:45

banter we're

3:47

trying to find Theoretically

3:50

we're trying to find the quickest path between point

3:52

A and point B and Matt and I argue

3:54

about that and I belittle him and He

3:57

argues against me and hilarity

4:00

and I

4:02

think that's what makes the show work well is that

4:04

it isn't like if it was just like let's just

4:06

click and go like as you said like kids do

4:08

Wikipedia races at school to avoid work it's

4:11

not really that interesting an activity it's mostly them quietly

4:13

going click click click click click click click click click

4:15

click click click I've done it but

4:17

this this construction of the ideal path as

4:20

you play like no no no why would

4:22

you go to Europe Europe's not

4:24

gonna help us no Europe's gonna have a list

4:26

of European leaders that's gonna get us the Churchill

4:28

and he looks like a dog so that'll get

4:30

us to dogs I don't think

4:32

that works he's the British Bulldog you

4:36

you've captured it beautifully it was perfect exactly

4:38

what it is pretty use that for a

4:40

promos actually I think yeah so for people

4:42

who haven't taken out

4:46

there's an episode with us playing as well as

4:48

just giving the destination and it was

4:50

a lot of fun trying to get to free

4:53

sell I think it was when we played yeah

4:55

so that's a good starting point

4:57

then you can check it all out and it's been you've had

4:59

you've had a few guests as well I'm fed

5:01

Karen from Good Job Brain has been

5:03

honest yes we have indeed yeah and

5:06

and we've had a we've had several

5:08

guests who found us through you

5:10

so you talked a little bit about us

5:12

and then they were like oh let's check

5:14

this out and they listened and then they

5:17

gave us topic suggestions through our we accept

5:19

topic suggestions through like a form

5:21

that you can submit anybody can submit

5:23

and they came on we're like

5:26

how on earth like we don't know you

5:28

how do you have my mom yeah exactly

5:30

and several of them were like oh well

5:32

you know I listen to escape this podcast

5:34

and I was oh that's so

5:36

great that's awesome yeah it's definitely part

5:38

of podcasting where you're like oh my

5:41

god we're actually starting to reach people

5:43

who don't know us personally yeah yeah

5:46

it's an interesting it's an interesting moment in a

5:48

podcast history when you start to be

5:50

like I've never met this person the

5:53

weird part is when it is just one or

5:55

two people like that and they're very

5:57

devoted and they're lovely but they're

5:59

just. just the only two people that you

6:01

don't know. Yeah, I know everyone else. Every

6:04

episode, when we have guests on the show, which

6:06

is also every episode, we

6:09

ask the same questions to all of our

6:11

guests. So let's get into that

6:13

now. This is an escape room show. What

6:16

is your escape room experience? Jethro,

6:18

did you wanna start? Probably between

6:20

the two of us

6:22

as guests, I have the less experience

6:25

as an escape room participant.

6:28

Although I will say I thoroughly enjoy escape

6:30

rooms. I like them. I would

6:33

say that I'm probably an amateur in that realm.

6:36

Although recently there have been a couple

6:38

of escape rooms in the Ann Arbor,

6:41

greater Metro Detroit area that I've

6:43

participated in, that I've

6:45

been thoroughly enthused by, particularly

6:49

the decode escape rooms, because they

6:51

have just a tremendous attention

6:55

to technical detail. And there's

6:57

been a lot of like

7:01

great design aesthetics. So we

7:04

did one recently for my daughter's 21st birthday. And

7:07

the best way I can describe it is

7:09

if Wes Anderson designed

7:11

an escape room, the attention

7:14

of detail is equivalent

7:16

to that. And I thoroughly enjoyed

7:18

it. Lots of attention

7:20

to detail. All the puzzles were straight in the

7:22

center of the wall. And Bill Murray was in

7:24

the corner saying, oh, how's it going? Yeah, they

7:26

were all centered. Jeff Goldblum, Bill Murray, where they

7:29

were all there. No,

7:31

but like they just had a

7:33

great, like the designers, we

7:35

chatted with the folks who put it

7:37

together, but apparently the owners of the

7:39

room are like, they're

7:41

carpenters. They have a lot of- Oh,

7:44

lovely. So one of the challenges for me

7:47

of escape rooms is there's like, essentially a

7:49

lot of escape rooms just devolved to the

7:51

point where like, hey,

7:53

we're translating letters

7:55

into numbers or numbers into letters

7:58

and it's fairly basic. back and

8:00

forth in that kind of way. And

8:02

these escape rooms were not

8:05

that. And they were glorious in

8:07

the delicious complexity of

8:11

their puzzles and the architectural

8:13

detail that they had for what they did.

8:15

And I thought it was utterly delightful. So

8:18

again, I've probably done, you know, a couple

8:20

dozen escape rooms at best, but

8:23

I thoroughly enjoy them. And it's always a

8:25

pleasure to do them. Not many people

8:27

will do a couple of dozen escape rooms and

8:30

call themselves amateurs. A couple of dozen's

8:32

good. Well, I defer of

8:34

course to Matt Hartman who has far

8:37

deeper expertise than I in

8:39

these domains. Yeah, Matt, what

8:41

is your escape room experience? So

8:45

I mean, I still consider myself an amateur

8:47

as well, but I have been to many

8:50

escape rooms. So at one point I had

8:52

gone to all the escape rooms in Pittsburgh,

8:54

which is where I'm from. But at that

8:56

point there were only three. So easy

8:59

to do. But I've been to, whenever I would

9:01

travel for work, I would see if

9:03

there was an escape room around that I could just do

9:05

on my own, or if I could talk a couple of

9:07

my coworkers into it. I had the

9:09

opportunity to do an amazing one in

9:12

Baton Rouge, Louisiana at one

9:14

point that if you've never heard

9:16

about or seen, it is this amazing like pirate

9:19

themed escape room. It's one of the top

9:21

rated ones in the world. Haven't

9:23

been, but definitely know all of it. Yeah,

9:27

it was mind boggling,

9:30

the types of things that went on in there.

9:32

But I've done a whole lot of them. I

9:36

have friends that are

9:38

huge puzzle people that create

9:40

puzzles that run

9:42

puzzle events. I'm a member

9:44

of an MIT puzzle hunt team. Oh,

9:46

excellent. So we have done that. I've

9:49

been doing that since 2009 maybe, I

9:54

think was my first year doing it. And

9:57

in 2019, we won. So

9:59

we got to run the hunt. in 2020, which was insane. But

10:03

anytime we would go to Boston to do that, we would go

10:05

and do escape rooms that were around. And we

10:07

did, oh, what's the thing, place called BotaBorg?

10:10

BotaBorg. BotaBorg was

10:12

amazing. We did Five

10:15

Wits, which is incredible. And

10:17

then, in addition

10:20

to all of those ones that I've done, oh,

10:22

I have to also give a shout out to Locurio, which

10:26

is in Seattle. There's a friend of mine

10:28

that runs Locurio. And

10:30

in fact, the people that founded it are

10:32

three people that were on my MIT Puzzle

10:34

Hunt team. They're amazing. And I've done, I

10:38

think they are opening a third room very

10:40

soon, but I've done their two rooms already

10:42

that are just amazing. And

10:45

then I had the opportunity, probably

10:47

about five or six years ago,

10:49

to create two escape rooms

10:51

with one of my friends from this team. There

10:54

is a local haunted house here

10:56

called 100 Acres Manor. And

11:00

my mom was on a charity

11:02

that they raised money for. She

11:04

was talking to the people that ran it. They

11:06

were trying to put escape rooms together. So they

11:08

hired us to create one that was

11:11

like this kind of druid based,

11:13

like in a dungeon with people

11:15

in hoods themed, and

11:18

then one that was a nuclear reactor

11:21

themed one. And so we got to actually

11:23

create two escape rooms that were pretty awesome.

11:25

Unfortunately, they stopped running them after a year

11:28

because they lost the space that they were

11:30

putting them in. But

11:32

yeah, so I've done a lot

11:34

of puzzles and I've done a lot of escape rooms. And I

11:37

hope that you can edit all that out because

11:39

now I'm gonna do really poorly on yours.

11:42

And it's gonna look like I'm just terrible.

11:44

As much of the answer as befits

11:47

your skill later on. So the better you do,

11:49

the more of that answer will keep. Great.

11:53

I look forward to you totally embarrassing yourself on the remainder of

11:55

this. No doubt. Within

11:58

the other element of this show. is it's

12:00

escape rooms in a sort of a

12:02

tabletop role-playing style. So

12:05

going reverse order, Matt, do you have

12:07

any tabletop role-playing experience? Very

12:09

little. We tried to do

12:12

Dungeons & Dragons when I was in high school

12:14

and our group got together and we were starting

12:16

to play it. And we had a

12:18

dungeon master who had never played it either. And

12:20

so it all kind of fell apart pretty

12:23

quickly. Oh, I should say I'm in at my

12:25

work. I

12:27

am currently in a Dungeons & Dragons

12:29

group that meets once a month to

12:31

play for like an hour and a half. That's

12:33

just what we do. So you

12:36

can get through a campaign in four years.

12:39

I mean, it will definitely take a very long time, but

12:42

it's for like beginners, essentially. So we're

12:44

all kind of like, yeah, we don't know what we're

12:46

doing. And then the DMs do know

12:48

what they're doing. So they are kind of making

12:51

it easy on us, I think a little bit.

12:53

I think it's one of those things

12:55

is really hard to get a group of people who

12:57

haven't played, give them the books and be

12:59

like, just go for it. I

13:01

think it's very much a hobby that you

13:03

need that one person to be

13:05

like, oh, I'm the one who has the knowledge and

13:07

I'm going to get a new group of people to

13:10

play with me. And then they'll have the knowledge and

13:12

they can go find someone else to run

13:14

games. Like it's, you kind of need at least

13:16

one person who really knows it to make it

13:18

smooth. And then Jethro, do

13:20

you have any tabletop role-playing experience?

13:22

So very little. I will say

13:24

that I came of age during

13:27

the satanic panic of the 1980s.

13:30

So my interest in Dungeons

13:32

and Dragons during

13:34

that time was primarily a vehicle

13:37

for me to express my disdain

13:40

for the fundamentalist Christians in my

13:42

orbit who thought it was

13:44

a bad idea. So it was always

13:46

delightful to push against them in that

13:48

capacity. I didn't play very

13:51

much of it though.

13:54

Accidentally summoned a demon. Had

13:56

your soul taken, you had to stop. I

13:59

said... Sadly, I never reached a point

14:02

where my soul was collected by anyone.

14:04

I guess my soul was of insufficient

14:06

value that the devil Was

14:08

like I got higher prayer even waste time

14:12

but I will say my my my daughter

14:14

who is just

14:16

starting her senior year of college

14:18

has been fascinated by dimension

14:21

20 and the Role-playing

14:24

game there and is has tried to rope

14:26

us into that So I've gotten

14:28

a little bit involved through that but I've not

14:30

been overly involved in Role-playing

14:33

games, although I do improv. So

14:36

I've got no I've got zero

14:39

Aspersions to cast anyone else for their nerdly

14:42

hobbies because I do the quite frankly the

14:44

dumbest thing in the world For

14:47

for 30 years. So there you go Wonderful.

14:51

All right. Well look I think with all that covered we're

14:53

gonna get into it now Eagle-eared

14:55

listeners May

14:57

have heard if I have missed any cuts.

15:00

Yeah, I don't notice in these intros I

15:02

don't normally talk very much but today I

15:04

think even less than usual. Yeah as you may hear

15:06

from Danny's Sad sad voice

15:08

Danny's quite sick at

15:11

the moment coughing and I

15:13

can barely go a sentence in a normal voice

15:15

without coughing there we are so

15:19

For I think the third time on

15:22

this show. I will be running a room Still

15:25

haven't written one that I've run other than the

15:27

small one for our Million

15:30

download special or whatever it was, but I'm gonna

15:32

be running the room today. It is Danny's room

15:34

We were play testing it and working

15:37

on it over the weekend But

15:39

this is still a Danny room, but it's being run

15:41

by me. So if I make any terrible mistakes That's

15:44

why I'm I'm still ostensibly here giving

15:47

thumbs up thumbs down Controlling

15:49

things go but I just may have to run

15:51

out of the room for a coughing fit every

15:53

now and then you'll hear Danny as we go But

15:58

I feel like I look especially gray

16:00

in our camera right now. Well,

16:03

so I will be taking over, um, and

16:06

being me and Danny at the same time. No,

16:08

actually, Dan is taking on some of my role,

16:10

hopefully linking images. And we

16:12

should probably specify, uh, Jethro and Matt,

16:14

you are going to be merged into

16:17

one character. Yes. There will be no Matt

16:20

and no Jethro only. Methro.

16:24

Oh no. The worst combination. Well, I don't

16:26

know if Methro is worse than Jatt to

16:28

be honest. Jatt. Yeah. I mean,

16:31

either is fine. Yeah. Um,

16:35

so yes. So if you ever decide to split up, you

16:38

cannot do so. But

16:40

with that being said, let's get into it. You've

16:45

been to some parties and events in your day. You

16:48

didn't think the birthday of one of your long

16:50

lost high school friends would even register in the

16:52

top 50. But

16:54

dang, McKinley Sprinkles has been

16:56

busy over the years. You

16:59

got the whole story at the start of the night. Killer

17:01

stock trading, an app based on a viral

17:03

meme that sold 8 million times

17:06

on its first weekend, and then

17:08

marriage to a person with equal amounts of

17:10

fortune, suffice to say McKinley

17:12

is loaded in a way that

17:14

ordinary people can't even conceive of

17:16

being loaded. Which

17:19

is why when they came back into town,

17:21

their first order of business was to hold a house party

17:23

for everyone who's ever been a part of their life. You

17:26

were friends a million years ago, so you

17:28

made the cut. The

17:31

house is something. You

17:34

weren't even allowed on the street without someone

17:36

checking your name was on the list. Your

17:39

place would fit into McKinley's place

17:41

at least 10 times. And

17:44

that's not including the sprawling lawns in

17:46

all directions. One of those

17:48

is decked out for the party. Light shows

17:50

and pyrotechnics and live musical guests. It's

17:53

all amazing. You've

17:55

danced, you've eaten, you've reminisced and

17:58

naturally a couple. of hours in, you

18:01

need to excuse yourself to go to the bathroom.

18:05

The downstairs bathroom is easy to find, but

18:08

it's occupied. No

18:11

problem. A house this size must have

18:13

a dozen bathrooms. You venture around,

18:16

curious but certainly not snooping.

18:19

Until up on the second floor, you spot

18:22

bathroom-esque tiles beyond an open

18:24

door. Haha, great!

18:27

You hurry in and close the door. It's

18:30

super dark, so you fumble around for

18:32

a light switch. Oh,

18:35

wow, that is a lot of buttons

18:37

for a light switch. One of them must be right.

18:40

You press on some of the buttons. Whatever

18:43

you're pressing makes a penalising buzz.

18:46

Frustrated, you get in close and force

18:48

your eyes to adjust. There,

18:51

one of the buttons does say light. You

18:54

press it. The lights come on.

18:57

You frown in surprise at your surroundings. You're

19:01

pretty sure this is a bathroom. I mean, the

19:03

tiles! But

19:05

where is all the bathroom stuff?

19:09

And here, if you'd like, you can draw a little map for

19:11

yourself. You've

19:14

entered through the north wall by

19:16

the east corner. On

19:19

this wall, there's a button

19:21

panel. You

19:24

think you see another panel down

19:26

in the southwest corner? And

19:29

then the east and the west walls each

19:32

have a towel rack against them. The

19:37

south wall is just

19:39

one big window. But

19:43

that's it. No

19:45

sink, no shower, and crucially,

19:49

wire assembly for you right now, no

19:52

toilet. You

19:54

groan and turn to leave. But

19:57

the door handle doesn't budge when you twist it. Damn,

20:00

you must have accidentally locked it using the keypad,

20:02

but there's no button labeled

20:04

door. You haphazardly

20:07

try buttons at random. Buzz,

20:09

buzz after unhappy buzz. Until…

20:12

oops. That was

20:15

one incorrect input too many it seems. Because

20:17

the little screen now sadly tells you

20:20

that you've been locked out. But

20:22

that means you're locked in. And

20:26

you're getting desperate. Forget about the

20:28

door. Surely some combination of

20:30

these buttons is supposed to summon a toilet. And

20:34

you'll have plenty of time to figure out how to unlock

20:36

the door afterwards. And

20:38

with that being said, you're free to try

20:40

and figure out how to find a toilet. Wow.

20:43

So just to clarify, Matt

20:47

and I are no longer individual

20:49

humans. We share a single body

20:52

in this escape room experience. And you share

20:54

a single body and a single bladder. Alright,

20:57

so Lily, Tomlin, Steve Martin,

20:59

all of me style where

21:02

we're begrudgingly sharing

21:04

a body. Okay, okay. A

21:06

man with two brains. God

21:09

bless you for extending the Steve Martin cannon.

21:12

And you got a

21:14

big long nose. Yeah. And

21:16

you're a jerk. You're a real jerk. You're a real

21:18

jerk. There are two amigos waiting for you outside.

21:22

Ah, God, keep it coming. This is a real

21:24

LA story here. So

21:26

I feel like there's a

21:29

towel rack on the west wall and

21:31

a towel rack on the east wall

21:33

that we should at a minimum investigate

21:35

because they're two of the few

21:37

objects that have been referenced in the room thus far.

21:40

Yeah, which one are you interested in? Yeah,

21:42

which towel rack do you want to look at first, Jotaro? Let's

21:45

start with the east. The towel

21:47

rack on the east is the kind

21:49

that usually heats up a

21:51

coiled reel of metal that snakes its

21:53

way from the floor up to waist

21:56

height or so. It

21:58

currently has no towels on it. And

22:01

you can see an image of this, which

22:03

Danny will send to you now. Ooh,

22:05

an image. Now for people at home, you

22:07

can see this image, but Jethro is

22:10

going to describe it to you. So

22:12

this image, it's very

22:15

snake-like. It's a bizarre

22:17

image for a towel rack. So

22:19

I would say that it

22:21

starts off in the upper

22:24

right-hand corner, and then snakes

22:26

down, and then snakes to the

22:28

left, and then snakes back up, and

22:30

then snakes to the left, and then snakes down again,

22:33

and then snakes to the left once again, and

22:37

snakes down before snaking to the right, and

22:40

then snaking down, and then snaking to the

22:42

left, and then snaking down. I wish I

22:44

had better language to

22:46

describe the snake-like

22:49

quality of this towel

22:51

rack, but

22:54

Matt, do you have any better

22:56

language to describe the visual

22:59

that we've been presented with? No.

23:06

I would say it's important to note

23:08

that when you're, in my mind, when

23:10

you're saying snake, this is much like

23:12

the game snake that

23:14

was on my Nokia phone.

23:17

So it is squared corners, and

23:20

it looks like a path that that snake, well,

23:22

not the path, I mean, it would be the snake itself,

23:25

right, at that point. Yeah. And

23:27

it looks like it's mounted to the floor,

23:30

and kind of these are places where you would hang

23:32

numerous towels. And I assume, well, I

23:34

don't know, I know in the UK, this would actually

23:36

like have hot water running through it, so your towels

23:38

would stay warm. Is that how they work? I don't

23:40

know if they do that in Australia as well. I

23:42

know that they can be heated. It would be a heated one,

23:44

either. Maybe it's full of hot water.

23:47

Maybe it's full of burning gas. I

23:51

don't know if it was just electricity. It's

23:53

warm metal, if it were warm. There

23:55

you go. I mean, okay. It's

23:57

a striking visual. immediately

24:00

make me think of anything else, which makes

24:03

me think that we should probably check out

24:05

the towel rack on the western wall to

24:08

see if there's a complementary or

24:10

more informative visual that's

24:13

available there. All right, you head

24:15

over to the left towel rack, the western towel

24:17

rack. This one,

24:19

this one isn't even so much a towel rack

24:21

as a towel table. It was just more

24:23

efficient to call them both towel racks, the

24:26

explanation notwithstanding. Anyway, it

24:28

has a selection of neatly

24:30

folded, brightly colored towels. And

24:33

again, you will see an image of this. And

24:35

Matt, if you could describe it for the lovely people at

24:37

home who should not look at it if they're driving, if

24:39

you're at home and you can look at it, that's fine.

24:41

It's linked in the show notes below. If you're driving, you

24:44

just listen to Matt. Yeah, that's right.

24:46

Listen to me. This is the

24:48

western towel rack. It has a cowboy

24:50

hat and it's riding a horse.

24:53

Howdy y'all. That's not really what's

24:55

happening. I'm sorry. Anyway, so

24:57

here's what it is. This is

24:59

a table. Think of a table that

25:01

you've seen. Imagine it. Think of

25:03

the four legs that a normal table would

25:06

have. This table also has

25:08

those legs. Now, thank

25:10

God you're here, Matt. You're really clarifying

25:12

it. Slow down. I need

25:14

to paint a mental picture. Thank

25:16

God you've taken the time to explain

25:18

the concept of table to them. I

25:21

would also like to point out that this recording,

25:23

the time I've given you for the recording is

25:26

fully dependent on things like this. This

25:28

is what makes an hour long recording

25:30

become a three hour long recording. Oh,

25:32

yeah. Well, sadly, the whole deal

25:35

between Matt and I is that

25:37

Matt proposes a hypothesis

25:39

and I rebut it with extreme

25:41

enthusiasm. That's our whole deal. It's

25:45

correct. All right. So here's the deal. There

25:48

are towels stacked on here that are of two

25:50

colors, blue and red. They

25:52

are stacked in four columns

25:54

or four piles, I guess, if

25:56

they were towels. The left most

25:59

one has a red towel on

26:01

the bottom and three blue towels sitting on top

26:03

of it. Go one pile to the

26:05

right and you now have a blue towel on

26:07

the bottom and three red towels

26:09

on top. I keep wanting to say tiles

26:12

into the towels. So it's the opposite of

26:14

what you just, of the first pile

26:17

of towels. Oh gosh, this is so

26:19

difficult to say. And then our next

26:21

pile of towels is blue on top,

26:24

red, blue, red, that's from top to

26:26

bottom. And then the last pile is

26:28

gonna be blue, blue, red, blue. And

26:32

they're kind of rolled so that they're stacked on

26:34

top of each other. We got four columns, four

26:37

rows, red and blue in various

26:39

places. Perfect. And

26:42

that is your Western towel rack slash table

26:45

slash bunch of towels. So

26:47

there are 16 towels, Jethro.

26:49

And looking at the other

26:52

towel rack, one,

26:54

two, three, four. I

26:57

don't necessarily feel like these

27:00

towels fit on this other towel rack.

27:02

I mean, it feels like they should

27:04

go together because towels and

27:06

towels, but I don't necessarily see that,

27:08

do you? Yeah, it's

27:10

not a lunging to mind in terms

27:13

of a puzzle by

27:15

which they interlock with one

27:17

another. Although, so

27:20

there was mention of a keypad at

27:24

the Southwestern corner that

27:27

I would love to take a look at. Did

27:29

we look closely at the one where we first

27:31

came in either? No, there is still more to

27:33

look at that one. Oh my God,

27:36

I feel like that's a very clear

27:38

interest. Yeah, let's

27:40

look at that because I'm wondering if either of these is

27:42

gonna have like 16 buttons on it or something like that.

27:45

This is the Northeast panel. There

27:48

are so many buttons on here.

27:50

It's ridiculous for a bathroom that

27:52

isn't say NASA's bathroom to have

27:54

this many buttons. And

27:56

right now it's flashing a stern message

27:59

at you. And there is

28:01

an image for this as well. That's an image heavy

28:03

for a room with nothing in it. There are

28:06

images for most. So Danny will

28:08

link that as well for you. Jethro, do you want

28:10

to quickly describe for the people at home who can

28:12

see this in the show notes what

28:15

this looks like? So what we have

28:17

here is a four by four panel.

28:20

So there's a big title

28:22

block says enter unlock code.

28:25

And on the right hand side, there

28:27

are three buttons. OK, light and heat.

28:30

On the bottom section, there's

28:32

a button that says start.

28:35

But in the main section of

28:37

this, there is a four by

28:39

four matrix with

28:41

numbered buttons, which

28:44

start from the upper left, upper left going

28:46

to the right, 1, 2, 3, 4. And

28:49

then the row below that 5, 6, 7, 8. And

28:51

the row below that 9, 10, 11, 12. And

28:54

the row below that 13, 14, 15, 16. So

28:58

in a very predictable order, there are buttons

29:01

that are asking

29:03

us to enter what

29:06

we believe to be the appropriate entry

29:08

code. Now, I will say that as

29:10

a four by four matrix, this does

29:13

suspiciously match the

29:15

towel block in

29:17

the southwestern corner of the room that

29:19

we've previously described. I agree

29:21

with you, Jethro. And I would also

29:24

say that I think that

29:26

this might match the

29:28

other towel rack as well. Because

29:31

when you look at the other towel

29:33

rack, it has essentially four rows and

29:35

four columns in it. The

29:38

top, it starts in the far right and

29:40

then goes to the left, down to the

29:43

left, up. But anyway, that first top

29:45

row, kind of where it starts, would

29:47

be row one. Row two

29:49

would be the next drop down that we could

29:52

get to. Row three would be the next drop

29:54

down we could get to. And row four would

29:56

be that final kind of

29:58

level that this is on. I'm not saying

30:00

this is right, but I think I could

30:02

take this and put it over that grid of

30:05

4x4 and get a path

30:07

that we might need at some point.

30:09

I will also say that this is

30:11

exactly this scenario that makes me glad

30:13

that I have three monitors that

30:16

I can play with because I have

30:18

the towel graphic on one monitor, I

30:20

have the sort of snake graphic on

30:22

one monitor, and I have the

30:24

most recent keypad graphic on a third

30:26

monitor. Here's what I'm thinking.

30:28

We may not need the toilet. We have quite a

30:31

few towels here. What

30:33

I'm thinking. How

30:35

bad a party guest are you exactly? Well,

30:38

I mean not a good one, but you know

30:40

who's going to know it was me. I don't see

30:42

any cameras in here, so I'm just saying maybe

30:45

we use these towels. These towels are mostly

30:47

for decorative purposes. You don't trust that they

30:49

would absorb much. That's

30:52

a bad towel. That's

30:54

a, it's a decorative towel. It's for guests to

30:56

not use, but to look at and think it

30:58

looks nice. Well, I think one

31:00

of the things that we can do, Jethro, is look

31:03

at the red and blue pattern that we have here.

31:05

Now, I don't know if red

31:07

is saying use me or blue

31:09

is saying use me, but we

31:11

definitely like have red numbers and

31:13

blue numbers if we're to line these up. 13, 2, 6, 10, 7,

31:15

15, and 12 are all red towels, line up with the

31:19

keypad and the

31:21

red towels. If

31:32

we were to take the sneaky

31:34

path of the eastern wall towel

31:36

rack information, and we were

31:38

to overlay that on

31:40

both the red towels and

31:42

the keypad, we

31:45

should be able to deduce an

31:47

order by which those

31:50

red towels were

31:52

incorporated, right? Yeah,

31:55

they don't seem to hit all the same places

31:57

in my mind. It never hits like the bottom

31:59

left. corner, which is one of the red. But

32:02

you know what we might want to do is

32:04

look at that last

32:06

keypad, or yeah, the other

32:08

keypad. So you head down to the southwest

32:11

corner. It's a small

32:13

screen with a digital green

32:15

background and faint grid

32:17

lines. And

32:20

there are four little round

32:22

dials underneath. There's

32:25

no image for this one. Feel free to

32:27

ask probing questions. So there are

32:30

four dials located in a single

32:32

row.