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Ambiguous. This is Shreene. Hi,

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shreen it's Anna. This is ethnically Ambiguous,

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like you said, correct,

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Today we are back to talk about

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Palestine. But it's a special episode

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because we have a guest. Who is it?

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It is known uh,

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former guest of the show,

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Matt Leeb, who's wonderful. Look,

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he's here to fight the fight with us.

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And we get very real on this episode. So if

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you can't handle the truth, you

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should stay because this is for you. Actually, who

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are we? Where

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did we come from? Who do we

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become? What is it

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to me? What to me

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is it? Where are

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we? Who are my parents?

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Where are my parents? Why

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were we born? We

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are ethnically

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ambiguous? Hi,

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Serene Hi. Another

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week of hell, but

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today's a little bit less hot

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in hell because we have someone else to join

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us in hell so we can talk to them.

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Yeah, it's hell time. So

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we had to ask our favorite sort

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of brother in Hell. I'm gonna

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say, like brother in Christ. This is brother in Hell,

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Matt Leeb to come

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on the podcast. I am

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so glad to be here

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on the podcast to uh,

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you know, as a Jewish American. I'm

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here to confront you guys about

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your rampant anti

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Semitic views. Number

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one, I think being like

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existing as Arab

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or Persian or you know whatever

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Persian is deeply

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anti Semitics, deeply problematic. It

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makes me feel bad for

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knowing that you know, you're still here. You

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know, I don't want you here. And

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uh yeah, So I'm just here,

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honestly to just have some open discourse

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with you guys in which

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I talk over you and tell you

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you're wrong. God bless.

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Yeah, that's what we need. We need to We wanted

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to keep ourselves honest. So yeah,

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thanks, I'm here to keep you accountable

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to me personally, uh

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and to judge you by

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impossible standards. Yeah,

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so you've been so that's

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where like, okay, yeah,

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wait a stream did your book?

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Matt. I've

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changed a lot in the last thirty days. I don't

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know if you guys know this. Remember before how

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it was all like, you know, black

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lives matter, and you know, trans

3:26

rights or human rights and stuff. I'm

3:29

kind of I'm doing a pivot, hard

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pivot pro genocide

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to pro genocide where you

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know, my right to genocide

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is also a human right. And also listen,

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sometimes you got to do a genocide to avoid a

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genocide. That's apparently what

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we're dealing with right now. I

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do. I do

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think I've like touched

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on this earlier, but I think making everything

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is very absurd right now, right and

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I think being able to

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openly talk about how weird it is, how

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absurd everything is, how bizarre everything is,

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is really helpful. So I appreciate

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your voice when it comes to the

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Internet zeitgeist, when it comes to all this stuff,

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because it's very much needed. Matt

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has been doing more of like a satirical

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approach, I guess, but

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it's not even a joke. Really what you just said

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earlier about like our existence is anti

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semitic, because that's what we're seeing. It's all like really

4:28

taking a stretch, you know. Yeah,

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So for anyone who's listening and has

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no idea who I am, all that if

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you're not certain, was clearly a

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joke. The one

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thing I've learned in doing like

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satire videos for the last month

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is that no matter

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how much I go, you

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know, look at the camera and mug

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and go yuck, yuck, yuck, this is

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satire, people will still

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think I'm being deadly serious. At first, I

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thought it was like, oh, well, something's getting lost in translation

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here, and then I realized it's

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like, no, half the shit I'm saying

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is almost verbatim Zionist

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talking points yea, And so it's

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hard to distinguish satire

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from reality at this point.

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And you know, it

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almost makes what I'm

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doing more funny to me, because

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I'm just like, the fact that this could

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possibly be confused with

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something real shows you the level

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of ridiculousness that I can't even think

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of something more ridiculous

5:39

than the reality that we currently live in. So

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that says something to me at least. Question

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how many people have reached out like thank you so much

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for speaking the truth. A

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few people have, which has been very

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nice. I would say the

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majority of the comments have

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been positive, but

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also no, I mean, like, how many Zionists

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don't get it? Oh,

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how many Zionists have reached out so far?

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None? Us. Yeah,

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Zionists are very clear as to what

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I'm doing because

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they it's you know,

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they are almost the target

6:20

audience in a sense. I mean, they're

6:22

the people I'm making fun of. Yeah,

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and they they

6:28

know what I'm doing, especially

6:31

since, like you know, if you stick around for

6:33

any of my videos long enough, you if

6:35

you weren't convinced it with satire,

6:38

eventually you'll you'll

6:40

get it. And then they get very angry, and

6:42

then I have to, you know, get into

6:44

a bunch of arguments with people who you

6:47

know, are so convinced

6:51

of their own either

6:54

victimization or of their own righteousness

6:57

and their cause that it's

6:59

not even worth engaging.

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So that's a lot that's been a lot of fun, a

7:04

lot of a lot of bad faith people. And then a lot

7:06

of people in my own life, I mean, you

7:08

know, like friends or people who

7:12

I mean, I would like to hope

7:14

that they come around and we can still be

7:16

friends, but it's hard to tell

7:19

now who have

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just gone completely off the deep end

7:23

and have decided

7:26

randomly that there are years and years

7:28

and years of being at least

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superficially a part of some sort

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of struggle

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with people in different

7:40

you know, discrete and insular groups

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we have in the United States have

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decided to take a turn for Zionist

7:48

patriotism, despite

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the fact that they are themselves from

7:53

Westchester or from

7:56

Tampa. Yeah, and it

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is. It's been. It's

8:02

been wild. It's been really wild.

8:04

It's been eye opening for me because I did

8:07

not know how

8:09

easily that sort

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of victimization

8:16

narrative and like just

8:18

kind of subconscious trauma could

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be triggered to the point of absolute

8:24

madness. And

8:26

so breaking through that madness has

8:28

been almost an

8:30

impossible task for a

8:33

lot of people that I know. I'm

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seeing that. And

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I also, yeah,

8:41

and like centering themselves

8:43

in this tragedy in a way that makes no

8:45

sense, Yeah,

8:48

in a way that is so detached

8:51

from reality that like

8:54

all of the arguments

8:57

that I would have against it, I

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even imagine they haven't

9:04

already considered because

9:06

they're so obvious. Like, for

9:09

example, are we really going

9:12

to you

9:14

know, be sitting at

9:16

home shivering about a potential

9:20

Jewish genocide in America

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while simultaneously a

9:26

real genocide is happening,

9:28

Yeah, in Gaza, And

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you know, like to me, that's like, well,

9:33

that's obvious, right, guys. And no,

9:37

they they are for the most part, I

9:39

see them consuming a constant

9:42

like loop of Jewish

9:48

victimization narrative media. You

9:51

know, whether it's like college campuses,

9:53

you know, are under attack, or a

9:56

synagogue got you know, uh spray

9:58

painted. And you know a

10:01

bakery you know in Brooklyn that was like a Yiddish

10:03

bakery wasn't even Zionist, it

10:05

was wasn't you know, Hebrew was

10:10

tagged. And you know, I don't excuse

10:12

you know, people's like ignorant behavior,

10:16

but I also put it in perspective

10:19

in the current reality and climate that we live

10:21

in. Like I I don't

10:23

excuse it, but it's not

10:25

at the forefront of my mind, and I

10:27

can't imagine it being at the forefront

10:29

of anyone's mind in America,

10:32

because let's be real, if

10:35

you're a white Jew in America, you

10:38

are white. You're

10:41

just a white person. Yeah. It's so funny

10:43

to me watching like the

10:45

amount of resentment

10:48

from white Jewish

10:52

liberal Zionists resentful

10:54

of people of color in America for

10:57

not being with them, even though I was with

10:59

you, oh my gosh. Yeah. And and

11:01

I look at that, and I go, you know, they don't know

11:03

you're Jewish, right, Like they don't

11:06

you You have to tell them you're Jewish,

11:08

like You're just a white person to them.

11:11

The idea that like a black

11:14

person from Compton is looking

11:16

at a white person and going

11:19

wait, wait, wait, but are they Jewish? Is

11:22

fucking ridiculous. It's just not It's

11:24

doesn't enter and it. You know, there's

11:27

a great essay that James

11:29

Baldwin wrote about this very thing. You know,

11:31

like black people

11:33

are anti Jewish because they're anti white was

11:35

sort of the thing, and it was about

11:38

basically, you know, you were not identifiable

11:40

as anything other than white

11:43

to most people of color in America. To

11:45

other white people, it's different.

11:48

Other white people do tend

11:50

to be like, oh, is that a jew, like

11:53

if they find out you're a Jew. But that's the thing.

11:55

A lot of the times, the people who are making these complaints,

11:59

like Amy Schumer, Yeah,

12:03

I'm just like, you're not even identifiably

12:06

Jewish. You are. You

12:08

are literally a blonde haired, blue eyed

12:10

white lady. Like no

12:13

one knows you're Jewish unless they,

12:15

like I had to walk around looking Jewish.

12:18

If anyone should be like, you know, uh,

12:21

like walking around being scared to

12:23

be Jewish in public, it would be me. I

12:26

can't walk out like, you know, look

12:28

at my fucking face, I look like a

12:30

Jew. She doesn't know. You

12:32

know, we can't comment on that, isn't her? No, No, you

12:34

cannot. You cannot comment on it. If you

12:37

do, or if you even shake your head, then

12:39

I will assume you're anti Semitic and want

12:41

my family did. But

12:43

yeah, it's just, uh, it's just kind of this ridiculous

12:47

like pivot that a lot of like,

12:50

uh liberals that I know have done

12:52

into kind of a blind Zionist

12:56

Israeli nationalism. And I'm just like, how

13:00

how how could like how

13:03

I just don't understand it. I don't understand

13:05

it. Yeah. I think Amy Schumer

13:07

is a great example of because I'm pretty sure

13:10

she's one of the people that posted that meme where

13:12

it's like we went to BLM and

13:14

we stood with these people or whatever, and then they

13:16

came for Jewish people and no one did anything and

13:18

no one stood with us, uh

13:21

and he stood with you people. Yeah

13:25

exactly. It's like, also, solidary

13:27

isn't transactional, Like you don't have to

13:29

be a good person because someone else is a good person

13:31

to you. Yes, yes, But

13:34

I think her just whole

13:37

identity during this whole thing has been

13:39

such a joke I was like in the beginning,

13:42

I was like looking at her page for updates because

13:44

it was so funny. And the one silver

13:46

lining is that she hasn't post it in like a week, so

13:49

yeah, she's

13:51

shamed. Yeah her, I think her

13:54

PR people got her in line. They were like, hey,

13:56

listen, this is Afther

13:58

King's daughter. Was like, yes, my dad

14:01

would not be on your side. I think

14:03

that was a great drag. Yes, yes,

14:05

that was That was unbelievable.

14:07

That was so like, I don't I

14:10

would crawl under a rock and guy from

14:12

shame, like, I, oh my god,

14:15

that was so beautiful. And you know, I

14:17

just I can't like

14:21

express enough my

14:25

admiration for gentiles

14:31

who are taking a stand

14:34

for non Jewish people who

14:36

are actually saying something publicly,

14:39

because that is such a

14:41

bigger risk. Like half the

14:43

reason that I do these videos is

14:46

because is

14:49

because I mean, Israel

14:52

would gladly let me displace

14:55

a Palestinian family like

14:57

Israel is U trying

15:01

to sell me and every diaspora

15:03

jew on the idea of you know, living

15:06

in their state and you

15:08

know, upping the birth rate and keeping

15:10

it Jewish and whatnot, and so

15:14

you know, people who are

15:17

not Jewish are

15:21

you know, it's so easy to paint

15:23

you as an anti Semite

15:25

and then that's it. Move on, you know, like

15:28

like these are and it's not like a

15:32

light accusation. You

15:34

know, it's not something that it carries

15:37

so much baggage with it. I

15:39

mean there's loss of jobs.

15:42

I've seen people who they've lost their

15:44

jobs, they've lost their management,

15:46

they've lost you

15:48

know, they've they've put future job

15:51

prospects at risk. They've been expelled

15:53

from school, they've been arrested

15:56

for protesting. I mean,

15:58

like it is, it

16:01

is not a safe thing, and

16:04

it's almost like there's no there's

16:06

no upside to it in terms

16:09

of like you don't get anything

16:11

from being uh, someone

16:14

with morals and

16:17

which is I think the big difference here

16:19

between kind of like uh,

16:22

the real ones and the fake ones

16:24

has been like, wait, were

16:26

you just were you just posting

16:29

a black square because you because it got you

16:31

something like it got you,

16:33

you know, the the respect of

16:36

you know, the black

16:39

community or like you know, it's

16:41

basically was transactional and

16:43

it's I'm one of the

16:45

good ones. Yeah, you

16:47

risk nothing when

16:50

you are just like I stand

16:52

with Israel. You don't risk anything.

16:55

Yeah, yeah,

17:03

very important points

17:05

that I feel like, you know, it's so surreal that like

17:07

it feels so simple to me. I'm like, yeah,

17:10

of course, yeah. But then like it's

17:14

as they love to say, it's so complex,

17:16

it's so complicated, you guys, it's so

17:18

complicated. Anyone who says it's

17:20

not complicated

17:24

is Hitler. Yeah,

17:29

Hitler's like basic premise

17:32

was complicated. It's complicated.

17:35

Uhous yeah, no, yeah, famously

17:37

said that, but no, yeah,

17:40

it is. It's it all

17:42

seems obvious. Uh.

17:44

And then you hear the talking points,

17:47

and the talking points Zionis talking

17:49

points are there specifically

17:52

to obfuskate and muddle

17:56

and make you feel

17:58

crazy. I mean, it's I've

18:01

never seen such a coordinated

18:04

gas lighting campaign before.

18:06

And it's it's always been that way with like,

18:09

you know, Zionist talking points, but it's never

18:11

had to be so

18:15

ubiquitous before, like

18:17

like because now it's you know, there's

18:19

a giant fucking war happening, and

18:22

you know wars even I

18:24

put that in air quotes. There's

18:26

a massacre happening of Gossin's

18:30

and yeah,

18:32

so it's national news. And so

18:34

now the gas lighting has

18:36

gone national to a degree

18:38

that we haven't seen since like post nine

18:40

to eleven, like just an

18:43

absolute bald faced

18:45

attempt at

18:48

doing Orwellian doublespeak

18:50

and just making people feel

18:52

like they maybe are too stupid to

18:55

understand what's happening. And

18:58

yeah, I mean I knew

19:00

that a lot of Zionist talking points were like

19:03

just a little unhinged and like ahistorical,

19:06

Like you do a little bit of research and you're like, this is not

19:08

correct. But I feel like as time

19:10

is going on, they're upping the ante

19:13

with how ridiculous they're being,

19:15

Like they're sympathizing with Nazis

19:17

now saying but the Nazis

19:20

they knew they were doing a bad thing. Hummuch,

19:22

at least they were sad about it, Like

19:24

in what world? I know, I know

19:27

the idea that Nazis took

19:30

no pleasure in doing

19:33

fucking in like brutalizing

19:36

and murdering Jews,

19:38

like stating

19:42

that in order to

19:44

recontextualize Palestinians

19:47

as being worse than Nazis, Like

19:50

you're doing apologia

19:53

for Nazis now, and

19:55

that is that is just like it's it's

19:58

insane to any thinking person,

20:02

but you know, it's

20:04

it's just widely accepted. It's like

20:06

a thing you're allowed to say. Now, I guess

20:09

like Nazis weren't all weren't all

20:11

that bad? I guess it.

20:14

I mean, I don't. It makes no sense

20:17

none, if it makes any sense to me, Like, I

20:19

feel like people have really lost the plot

20:21

here. Yeah, no,

20:24

they have and and and that is the

20:26

point. The point is for you is for people

20:28

to lose the plot. I mean, is it

20:31

is they want to make it like so they

20:33

want to offuscate the truth

20:35

so libally they can continue genociding people

20:37

the same way they were, Like, we didn't bomb

20:40

the first hospital, and by the time thousands

20:43

have died, we had moved on to the next point.

20:45

I think it's like Israel's Nzion

20:47

is like main like one of their main propaganda tactics

20:51

is to take

20:54

the attention away from the actual atrocity

20:56

by either shifting the blame or

20:58

like talking about something so irrelevant

21:00

and yeah, you gather

21:02

around it, you know exactly, and make the

21:04

conversation about something else, make

21:07

it about something else. And if you

21:09

can move the conversation to

21:12

be about anti Semitism,

21:14

yeah, then you can, uh,

21:17

you know, you can take focus

21:19

away from the crimes that

21:22

you are seeing with your very eyes, and you're told

21:24

not to believe your eyes. You're told not

21:26

to believe anything. And you know, I

21:29

think that tactic isn't unique to

21:33

Israel. I think, you know, not believe in

21:36

your eyes is like a you know,

21:38

a that is

21:40

a tactic of anyone who's doing

21:42

propaganda. It's

21:46

just it's more ridiculous

21:49

with Israel of late, because

21:52

everything is happening so fast, Like

21:55

usually it would be

21:59

this niceolated incident. They

22:01

bomb a hospital and everyone goes, what the fuck

22:04

uh, and then they go, no, we didn't

22:06

bomb the hospital, Like look at this, you know graph,

22:09

look at this thing that we have at this

22:11

angle and this caliber, and you have all their like

22:13

fucking you know, fake military

22:16

wonks being like, actually that looks like a

22:18

bullet that was made in Russia and

22:21

the Russians are the only ones who are

22:24

arming Homas, so blah blah blah. And then

22:26

weeks and weeks and weeks later they

22:29

would, you know, once the conversations

22:32

moved on, toy be like, yeah, we did it, we don't care, but

22:35

there's no outrage because that was weeks ago, and

22:37

now we're moving on to a new thing. The fact is

22:40

is that because this is happening

22:43

so fast, it went from we

22:46

don't we didn't bomb that hospital, We

22:48

don't bomb hospitals. Yes,

22:51

we bomb some hospitals. We have to bomb

22:53

hospitals, like in the in the

22:55

course of a week. So like you're

22:57

seeing this level of gas lighting like

23:00

happens so fast that it's not

23:03

having the effect that it usually

23:05

does. Like usually the

23:08

effect is that people move on, but

23:10

in this case, they you know,

23:13

they had to bomb another hospital,

23:15

and they're like, all right, well, at this point, we can't

23:18

keep saying we didn't bomb the hospitals.

23:20

Yeah, so luckily,

23:25

luckily, you know, people I think are

23:27

seeing through it.

23:29

But of course the people who are seeing through it

23:31

all have no power, so you know,

23:34

I think, you know, the powerlessness

23:36

of all of

23:39

us right now is also what's driving I think a lot

23:41

of people insane, is the fact that we all

23:43

feel super helpless

23:45

because we realize that we could

23:47

all march to Washington demand

23:50

a ceasefire and not move a single

23:53

senator. You know, yeah, I

23:55

mean it is crazy. It's like they're like, we

23:57

can't even like pick up the phone because it's

23:59

just NonStop calls of people demanding

24:01

a ceasefire and like our or

24:04

whatever bosses are telling us just not to answer

24:06

the phone anymore. And it's like,

24:09

I don't know about you. It doesn't sound like a democracy

24:11

to me. Maybe it sounds like you're accouring

24:13

the entire group of people. And guess what Trump

24:16

is gonna take office because no one's gonna vote. It's

24:18

a nice try, Yeah, I mean, smart

24:20

play gets really easy. I mean I definitely

24:22

feel helpless all the time, and it's really easy

24:24

for me to feel helpless. But I was thinking about this like a couple

24:26

hours ago even, and it's

24:30

every time I see videos of some Palestinian

24:32

marches, it's incredible, Like five

24:35

years ago or like my whole lifetime,

24:37

I never would have thought this would be something

24:40

the whole world agreed on. Like the attention

24:42

that Palestinians are getting

24:44

right now from people that like have a conscience

24:47

is incredible, Like it's it's

24:50

it makes me feel hopeful for the

24:52

younger generation who can see through

24:55

all this like weird like

24:58

made up propaganda. Yeah.

25:00

So I do definitely understand

25:02

the helplessness feeling because

25:04

these people can't do anything really. But

25:07

I think when you like

25:10

realize how many people are united about

25:12

this, and like think about how it was like ten years ago,

25:15

how much more silenced

25:18

Palestinians were. I feel like we

25:20

are making steps toward waking up

25:22

the world and hopefully with

25:24

enough people, world leaders

25:27

will I don't know, like

25:31

I don't know. I mean, it's just one worldly

25:33

it is literally just at this point,

25:36

you know, the yes,

25:41

there is sort of like a European you

25:43

know, consensus, but that

25:46

European consensus is cracking on

25:48

Israel. I mean you in

25:51

Europe, more and more and more you are

25:53

seeing people being like Israel

25:55

seems bad and

26:00

that doesn't really matter to the Israelis because

26:03

they have the biggest thug on the block,

26:05

the United States of America backing

26:10

them up. You know, with the

26:12

backing of the United States, they are

26:14

going to they're going to do exactly

26:17

like South Africa did that. They

26:19

don't give a shit. They can pass all the UN

26:21

resolutions they want, but apartheid

26:23

did not end until

26:26

fucking the United States

26:29

stopped backing South Africa.

26:33

And of course I think also the

26:35

Cubans actually helped a lot too. They like drove

26:38

you know, africaners out of Angola and stuff. Which

26:40

is pretty sick. So shout out to Cuba. I

26:42

wish Cuba was around now

26:45

and doing stuff like that. But yeah,

26:49

no, it's it's just like it's

26:53

being in the United States is like really

26:59

it really drives your care because you

27:01

see how the

27:03

Israel lobby has

27:06

completely made

27:10

this issue a non starter

27:13

for our elected representatives. And

27:15

you see, like the biggest

27:17

weakness of our democracy is

27:20

are allowing money

27:23

to dictate everything

27:26

like moneyed special interests have

27:28

They've always you know, been kind

27:30

of the thing that makes us undemocratic.

27:33

But nothing makes that more

27:36

like obvious than this

27:38

current situation, you know,

27:40

because this is a I think

27:45

from the poll numbers I've seen, it's just like a

27:47

vast majority of Americans

27:50

want a cease fire and it's

27:53

not even not

27:56

even made a

27:58

dent, you know. And and I

28:00

am starting to see some

28:03

people use stronger language

28:05

than humanitarian pause.

28:08

But we just have no leadership around it,

28:10

you know. Yeah, Bernie has decided,

28:12

Ah fuck it, I'm old. Fuck that guy. Fuck

28:14

that guy so hard before

28:16

I forget though, Let's take our first break belonged

28:19

too much drim duck, and

28:30

we're back and real quick, I just want

28:32

to point I just got an emailed that the anti racist

28:34

Dinner Party hosts Syrah

28:36

Rao and Regina Jackson were

28:39

dropped by CIA for having, uh

28:41

we basically saying that, you

28:44

know, Israel's comitting a genocide. I mean, like the

28:46

absolute performative

28:49

bullshit. We're saying, like, oh, you used

28:51

to be against racism unless it's unless

28:54

someone's sustling about Israel and then you drop them within

28:57

a second. Yes, yeah,

28:59

I mean racs bro. I

29:01

think more and more stories are

29:04

gonna come out about what's

29:07

happening, at least in the entertainment industry.

29:10

But just from the individual accounts

29:13

that I have heard from people, this

29:15

is a regular thing

29:18

that's happening. Agents

29:20

dropping their clients for you

29:22

know, tweeting something, Agencies

29:26

firing or demoting agents

29:29

for you know, yeah, for supporting

29:32

Palestine even in the most like mealy

29:34

mouth of language

29:37

managers just like you know,

29:39

saying I can't support you anymore.

29:43

It's just it's so egregious

29:47

and disgusting, and you

29:51

know it. On the one hand, it

29:53

of course worries me because like this

29:56

is absolutely having a chilling effect

29:58

on the entertainment can unity. I

30:00

mean, like there are

30:03

tons of comedians

30:05

and writers and fucking

30:08

actors who are just

30:11

saying they won't say a goddamn thing

30:14

because they don't want to be blacklisted essentially,

30:18

and that is

30:21

like, is so

30:26

yeah, it's chilling to me. It's chilling

30:28

to me. But on the other hand,

30:31

I'm seeing so much more

30:35

Palestinian solidarity than I ever have

30:37

before. And it does

30:40

feel like desperate,

30:43

Like the move feels desperate. It

30:45

feels yeah, there

30:47

they are. They are doing everything they

30:49

can and like you know, Israel

30:53

like bombing a hospital,

30:55

saying they didn't bomb a hospital and then being like,

30:57

Okay, we're bombing hospitals because we have to. Like

31:00

this feels like the same amount of like so

31:02

much, so fast is bound

31:05

to have a backlash. It's bound to have an effect.

31:07

And one of the effects I worry about is

31:09

of course, anti

31:12

Semitism, like real

31:15

anti semitism that is coming from

31:17

this like total

31:21

group think of just really

31:24

the entertainment industry is going

31:26

to be like we're fighting anti Semitism

31:29

by literally just being like,

31:31

oh, we all think the same, Yes, we

31:34

do, run Hollywood. That's what they that's what they're

31:36

doing. That is what they're saying, and

31:38

it is so disgusting

31:42

to watch

31:44

them participate in that, like, watch

31:47

them willingly put

31:49

Jews in a position where

31:52

they are going to be resented

31:54

and scorned in the entertainment industry

31:57

by people who are like, you know, uh,

32:00

fucking before

32:02

I wouldn't dream of having the anti

32:04

semitic thought of like, oh, the Jews run

32:06

Hollywood, and now these guys are like, no, let's

32:08

just let's make it feel like the Jews

32:11

run Hollywood, and it just

32:13

it fucking discuss me. It's

32:15

such an anti semitic tactic

32:18

in order to intimidate people into

32:20

not speaking, because the truth of it is

32:23

is that every if everyone just spoke, you

32:26

can't fire everyone. At the end of the

32:28

day, Hollywood, the people

32:30

run Hollywood are money people. That's

32:33

all that fucking matters. Butts and seats, people

32:35

who can sell tickets people. Is

32:38

the fucking content good enough people?

32:40

Uh? And like, just the

32:43

idea that anyone would take it

32:45

upon themselves to project

32:48

a the Jews run Hollywood

32:50

fucking thing where where they're

32:52

firing people for retweeting an

32:54

Onion article like

32:57

it is so abhorrent and

32:59

just disgusting to me that I,

33:02

I, oh, it's it pisses

33:04

me off, and they claim to care about anti Semitism.

33:07

Yeah, no, they're they're they're creating

33:09

a divide, and they're also like stirring

33:11

up Uh.

33:14

On top of all that, how do you

33:16

alienate all the people that you're

33:18

trying to sell stuff to, Because what I'm saying

33:20

is the majority of like real people, like

33:23

actual people. Yes, you're

33:25

pro Palestine and are against this

33:27

genocide. So it's like, oh, now you're going

33:29

to turn around and try and sell stuff to

33:31

these people who are like, oh, no, fuck

33:34

you, Like you think gal Gado

33:36

is going to make a hit movie. No,

33:39

people who hate gal Gado, Now,

33:43

I think it's really funny should get help with Well

33:46

she's she's never cold act anyway. But I think that

33:48

helps us that like the most repulsive celebrities

33:51

are Zionists like Brett Gellman.

33:55

Well that's here's the thing that I'm learning. All these

33:58

we're good, all these edge or who

34:00

are like this is my style of comedy, turns

34:02

out they're just racist. Yeah.

34:04

You know what the funniest thing about Brett Gilman is Brett

34:07

Gilman was instrumental

34:10

in being one of the people that got uh

34:13

that comedian slash

34:16

you know, ironic neo Nazi. Sam

34:18

Hyde got his adult

34:20

swim show taken off the air because

34:23

he was like, guys, this is fucking this

34:25

guy is an anti semi this guy is a racist.

34:27

Don't work with him. And I remember

34:29

being like, damn, like low key

34:32

respect. I mean, I don't know any much

34:34

about Sam Hide. And since

34:36

then I've like watched Sam Heide's content

34:39

and been like, uh, yeah,

34:41

this guy is some weird fucking like

34:44

uh, you know, too

34:46

ironic by half, like neo Nazi

34:49

shit like shit that I'm like, okay, I

34:51

don't this this guy's you know, you

34:54

know, so anyways, being like, well, good on

34:56

you for like standing up for you

34:58

know, h people

35:01

like Jews and and all

35:03

races and whatnot, and then watching

35:05

him just like shift to Israeli

35:09

nationalism. Uh is

35:11

just so like so

35:14

disgusting. It's so disgusting

35:17

and and and yeah, I mean it,

35:19

it is. It's

35:21

great to watch him blail though. Yeah,

35:24

now you're just showing that you're us, that you're racist

35:27

against Arabs and Middle Easterners

35:29

and Muslims. Like yeah,

35:32

also, just look at the demographics at both of these

35:34

rallies, Like just seriously, like the

35:37

pro Israel rally might as well have been a

35:39

KKK rally, like there's not like there's

35:41

no, there's so

35:44

and Van Jones speaking Van

35:47

Jones, I know the whole like beware

35:49

of Muslim thing. I don't know what the exact word he was,

35:52

but yeah, he was. No. He

35:54

he wanted to say, you know, uh

35:57

anti like he's like, beware

35:59

of anti Semitism, beware of anti Muslim

36:01

speak and whatnot. But but people were

36:03

already shouting no fire

36:05

at it, and he got he got

36:08

too scared to

36:10

say the words don't be anti

36:12

Muslim. They they literally

36:14

the crowd intimidated him

36:17

out of saying something that should

36:19

be ubiquitous

36:22

and fucking frankly like

36:24

like liberal fucking

36:27

identity politics shit, you know what I mean,

36:30

Like just like it's so obvious

36:32

to saybic

36:36

for them, for them, like

36:38

being Muslim on its

36:40

own isat

36:43

is anti Semitic, and it is anti Semitic

36:46

threat. And this is the thing

36:48

that I think a lot of American

36:52

Jews don't understand

36:57

that, at least American

37:00

Zionists that don't understand that, I know,

37:03

because they see

37:06

like Arabs talking about this and

37:08

they're like, I don't get it, Like

37:10

they're not even Palestinian, like, you

37:13

know, don't they know why

37:15

do they care? And it's because they

37:17

have a complete disconnect

37:21

from what the Israeli

37:23

state is, whereas

37:26

they see it as like it's a safe

37:28

haven for Jews, like they

37:30

don't understand. They think that the the

37:34

the Arab view on it is we

37:36

hate Israel because we hate Jews, rather

37:39

than it being like Israel

37:43

is explicitly anti

37:45

Arab, explicitly Islamophobic,

37:48

explicitly doing fucking

37:54

apartheid, and

37:57

Arabs take offense to that.

38:00

That is is that is not a strange

38:03

thing for Arabs to look at

38:05

that and be like, there's an apartheid

38:08

state that treats us as uh you

38:10

know, uh like people

38:13

whose lives aren't worth anything. Uh

38:15

So anyways, it's it's just like an

38:18

entire who openly

38:20

just says that, yes, exactly,

38:23

we don't think these are people. These are

38:25

not. And then everyone also is like

38:27

it must it's really complicated, right

38:30

right, and they're like, why do you guys

38:32

care? It must be because you hate

38:35

uh fucking it's because you

38:37

hate Jews, And I'm like, just

38:40

have an imagination reverse the

38:42

roles for a second. Reverse

38:44

the roles. What do you think world jewelry

38:47

would feel if they were the ones in Gaza,

38:49

if they were the ones in the West Bank

38:51

living in these little cantons surrounded

38:54

by settlers from uh,

38:56

you know, different Arab states from around

38:59

the world who could kick them

39:01

out of our homes. We would all

39:03

be like, I have a problem with this,

39:06

and you wouldn't. You wouldn't

39:08

be like, well, you're not even but

39:10

you're not from gossip,

39:13

like you know. I think it's

39:15

insane. I think something that

39:18

is really unfortunate that because

39:20

this is working because of like decades of dehumanization,

39:23

like the fact that like someone can see an Arabic

39:25

word and get like scared

39:27

or hear Arabic, Like that's all part

39:30

of why suddenly

39:33

that it's just demonized. It's like it's it

39:36

worked. Yeah. The last

39:38

thing I'll say about like how

39:41

Israel uses Jewishness

39:44

as like a shield. Essentially they use

39:46

the religion to pretend they're

39:48

not doing anything. But I was thinking about

39:50

how manipulative their flag is, Like

39:53

the flag of Israel has this like

39:55

holy symbol for so many people

39:57

on the planet, and so when you protest

40:00

Israel, when you want a boycott Israel and

40:02

you are talking about the flag.

40:05

A lot of people that don't know any better will

40:07

assume you are anti Jewish because they see

40:09

the Star of David. I was just thinking about

40:12

how fucking manipulative it is to like they

40:15

mean, I mean, there's the whole thing that, like

40:17

everything they accuse the Arabs of they

40:19

do themselves. It's like they are they're using Jewish

40:21

people as human shields, like literally in a way,

40:24

yes, yes, dred

40:26

percent, and it is like it's so it's

40:29

so disingenuous too, because like

40:32

you see the

40:34

the armor cracking a little bit with this, you

40:37

know, the these recent protests.

40:40

You know, so many Jewish groups,

40:43

American Jewish groups and

40:45

Jewish groups around the world who are against

40:48

apartheid Israel, who are pro

40:50

Palestinian, who are pro

40:53

peace, who are pro

40:55

democracy.

40:58

You know, so many of them are

41:00

going out in the streets and making their voices heard,

41:03

and you see the armor cracking because

41:05

they're like, no, no, no, no, this ruins

41:07

the narrative. A Jew who

41:09

says they are pro Palestinian

41:13

ruins the when you attack Israel,

41:15

you attack all Jews narrative. Which is why

41:18

you know, I

41:21

talk to my Jewish friends, and

41:23

you know, the ones who are on the fence, I tell

41:25

them, you know that

41:28

this is you understand that you

41:31

are being used here by the state

41:33

in order to continue their

41:35

criminal existence. And

41:38

they you know, some people take to it, some

41:40

people don't. But

41:42

you see, like the greatest thing

41:44

was the I think it was the editor of the

41:46

Jerusalem Post wrote

41:49

this piece that

41:51

was like, Oh, I hate to do this, but I think

41:53

it's time. I think it's time

41:55

to say we got to

41:57

excommunicate Jews who

42:00

don't stand with Israel. If you are a Jew

42:03

doesn't stand with Israel, you should be considered

42:05

no longer Jewish. Yeah, And I'm like, this is

42:07

such a bold faced

42:10

tactic, such a clear tactic

42:14

that is used to be like, well, then technically

42:17

you don't have any Jews

42:19

who are against Israel. All

42:21

Jews stand with Israel, because if you are Jewish

42:24

and do not stand with Israel, you are no longer

42:26

Jewish. It's so fucking clear

42:29

what he's doing there quite

42:32

anti semitic. It's insanely

42:34

antisemitic, insanely

42:37

like this is like what I think people don't

42:39

understand, Like Jews

42:42

out there who are worried about anti Semitism.

42:45

I feel you. I am also worried

42:47

about anti Semitism, which is why

42:50

I like am vehemently

42:53

pro Palestinian because

42:55

of the fact that Israel is

42:57

the number one exporter of anti

42:59

Semitism around the world. They

43:02

do nothing to help world

43:04

Jewelry. Their entire existence

43:07

is puts Jews at

43:09

risk because of the fact that they are doing

43:13

internationally recognized crimes.

43:16

Yeah, and like the idea

43:18

that, oh, well, they are a

43:21

safe haven if you know, if we ever

43:23

have to go there, It's like, they're

43:26

not. Yeah, we saw that on October

43:29

seventh. They're not. They put

43:31

in danger. Yes, they

43:33

constantly put their own people in danger.

43:36

It is not I love the idea

43:38

of like, oh, well, you know, Israel's

43:40

the safest place for Jews, And I'm just like, I'm

43:43

sorry, but I don't know how you can claim that with

43:45

a straight face. It is clearly not a safe

43:47

place for Jews. It is like

43:49

the existence of like

43:53

of Israel, like as a

43:55

as an apartheid state, is

43:58

very much mean that you are surrounded

44:01

by people who fucking hate you. And

44:03

you know, I don't excuse people's

44:06

like anti semitism, And I feel

44:08

like the idea that

44:11

like, you know, people

44:14

would say, oh, you know, anti

44:16

Zionists, they're all just excusing

44:19

anti semitism. It's like, no, I don't

44:21

I condemn anti semitism wherever

44:23

the fuck I see it. The difference is

44:26

is that when you see the

44:28

Israeli state acting anti semitically,

44:31

you do nothing. Yeah, you in

44:33

fact participate in it, and

44:36

that to me is unforgivable. You

44:39

are the ones participating in anti

44:41

Semitism by supporting an apartheid

44:43

state that put that makes

44:46

fucking you know, deals

44:48

with Victor or Bond in

44:50

Hungary, that you know, is like openly

44:53

anti democratic and is

44:55

constantly forcing

44:58

Jews to be loyal to Israel while

45:00

chastising Gentiles for saying, hey,

45:02

what's this? You know, it sounds like you

45:05

guys are loyal to Israel and it's

45:07

like you are doing the dual

45:09

loyalty trope. Motherfucker's

45:11

ugh it is anyway, Sorry, I'm yelling

45:14

a lot on this part. This is I'm usually

45:16

really like, I'm so funny.

45:18

I mostly talk about eating butts and I

45:21

do do pardy songs about the wire

45:23

Like that's like I'm

45:26

not I've just been it's

45:28

been you know, we've all been going crazy and

45:30

we all had to yell, you're clearly no longer Jewish,

45:32

according to I think, say it was Avi Bader

45:35

that Jerusalem Post. Yeah, yeah,

45:37

Avi something. Okay, let's take a quick

45:39

break and then I want to talk about some other

45:42

stuff that Israel is doing. Hell

45:44

yeah,

45:52

all right, we are back. I

45:54

do want to say, just on

45:56

the note that you were talking about, just how Israel

45:59

stokes Andy Summons is I'm left and right. I

46:01

mean conceptually what Israel

46:03

is is anti Semitic. To try and create

46:06

a very Eurocentric state for

46:08

Jews and then be like you

46:10

should all speak Hebrew and

46:13

sort of not speak Arabic or you know,

46:15

not speak Yiddish, not speak the language

46:17

of your original culture. Right

46:20

to turn away from that Jewish diversity,

46:23

that's anti Semitic, and to say

46:25

that it

46:27

is your duty to move there, It is your

46:29

duty to support

46:32

the state. The idea is tying

46:36

being Jewish and Judaism to

46:39

a state to a nation state,

46:41

which is a modern invention,

46:45

and like making that the

46:49

the height of expression

46:53

of your identity as a Jew is

46:56

anti semitic. It just is like the

46:59

idea that a diaspora

47:01

Jew is any less

47:03

Jewish uh than an

47:06

Israeli citizen, a

47:08

Jewish Israeli citizen. Is like, it's it's

47:10

just it's fucking ridiculous. And it's also

47:14

not only is it untrue, but it is

47:16

also clearly a

47:20

manipulative like tactic. And it's

47:23

yeah, you know, I this

47:25

idea of national like self determination

47:28

and whatnot is just it's a it's

47:30

to me, I look

47:32

at it as such a it's

47:36

another obfuscation

47:39

because it's like everyone says, well, Israel

47:41

has a right to exist, you know, and it's like what

47:44

was it? What state has a

47:46

right to exist? Like what

47:48

what? Yeah, people have

47:51

rights to exist, and like what

47:53

makes a Jewish state if what you're claiming

47:56

is like, hey, what's wrong with the Jewish state? If

47:58

you're saying a Jewish state has

48:01

to be majority Jewish

48:04

in order to be a Jewish state, that

48:07

kind of like ethno religious

48:10

nationalism is like

48:13

to me, I'm like, is that Jewish?

48:15

Is that what makes something Jewish? I don't

48:17

think it. I don't think it does. And also how

48:21

do you maintain that? Like if

48:23

you have a twenty percent minority

48:26

population of Arabs and

48:29

you're already worried

48:31

about birth rates, how are

48:34

you going to maintain your majority?

48:36

And the truth of it is is that

48:38

the plan is

48:41

displacement, and the

48:43

plan is just you know, driving

48:46

Arabs out of there. It's

48:49

and to me, I'm like, okay, well that's

48:51

number one, that's not a Jewish

48:53

state. To me, that's a fascist state. And

48:57

number two like this,

49:00

this is not something that

49:03

has a right to exist. No

49:07

criminal enterprise has the right to exist.

49:10

And you can you know, like the idea that

49:13

that Israel wouldn't be a Jewish

49:15

state if it allowed

49:20

everyone to be equal and allowed

49:23

both you know, Palestinians

49:25

living in the West Bank and in

49:27

Gaza and living as refugees

49:29

in Arab states and European

49:32

and America across the world to

49:34

return, the idea that it would no longer

49:36

be Jewish to me is like

49:39

that's that's an insane thing. Then

49:41

to me, no, that does not have

49:44

a right to exist. You don't have

49:46

the right to continue doing wrongs.

49:48

That's fucking insane. And you

49:52

know, so, I mean, I think it's very

49:54

telling that getting a DNA

49:56

test for an Israeli citizen is like nearly impossible.

49:58

They like make it like almost so legal to have

50:01

a citizen due DNA test because it just

50:03

will prove they're probably from Europe.

50:05

But yeah, and also, like

50:08

you know, the idea

50:10

of like, it's so funny to me

50:12

because like the

50:15

idea of Jews

50:18

being homogeneous,

50:21

all being the same, you know,

50:23

is like number one anti

50:25

Semitic in and of itself an

50:28

a historic and number two

50:31

is just like convenient

50:33

cover for doing

50:38

very European style colonizing,

50:42

like very nineteenth

50:45

century early twentieth century

50:48

colonization tactics and saying no, no, no,

50:50

but Jews, you know, we're all the

50:52

same, We're all Arab,

50:55

we're all you know, from you

50:57

know, all over the Mina,

51:00

and we were never from Ukraine

51:03

to begin with. And it's just like this,

51:06

it's just fucking ridiculous. It's just

51:08

it's so ahistoric. Well,

51:11

in nineteen seventeen, I did an episode about

51:14

this that I could happen here if you guys want to learn more.

51:16

But before the balfloor

51:18

De Declaration, before that,

51:21

Jews made up six percent of the land of

51:23

Palestine, That's right, six percent. So

51:26

it was a very systematic population

51:29

growth that they did on purpose. It wasn't

51:31

like this natural thing that just

51:33

happened. It was it was a movement,

51:36

a Zionist movement, was you

51:38

know, people moving there either

51:41

because they were trying to

51:44

you know, escape what was going on in

51:46

Europe, and you know, Europe was incredibly

51:48

anti Semitic, or you

51:51

know, people who were

51:54

of means in

51:57

England who wanted

51:59

to and got permission to do a little

52:02

colonization project of their own. Valfour

52:04

was an anti semi and he wanted to solve his

52:06

quote unquote Jewish problem, Like that's why

52:08

he decided, like it's rooted in

52:11

extreme anti Semitism to literally

52:13

be like, let's just take the Jewish problem in

52:15

his words, right, put it in the Middle East,

52:18

out of Europe. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

52:20

and and no completely and

52:22

and it was it's just, uh, you

52:25

know, the project in and of itself is

52:28

just a dinosaur

52:30

of an idea that

52:33

has been remolded

52:35

because you know, they they happened to do a

52:37

colonial project at

52:41

the time of mass decolonization

52:43

around the world. And

52:45

so once decolonization

52:49

became kind of the norm, people, you

52:51

know, Israelis and Zionists were like,

52:53

Okay, we're gonna have to kind of like shift the narrative

52:56

here. It's like this is no longer about colonization,

52:58

which they explicitly and openly stated

53:00

early on. I mean this was they use the

53:02

words, they used the word colony,

53:05

colonizing, you know, colonization. They

53:07

use all the same tropes, you know, we will, we

53:10

will bring the indigenous people,

53:12

you know, all the you know, the

53:14

wonders of our genius

53:16

and Western civilization and all that stuff, and

53:18

they had to switch it to no, no, no, we

53:22

are the indigenous folks actually, and

53:25

everyone else is just a wandering Arab

53:28

who just happened to land here. Yeah,

53:32

which is the whole state projects

53:34

which you just do like one quick google mm

53:36

hmm, and it completely

53:39

debunks all of that. Also,

53:41

just like even reading like what Shrane was saying is

53:43

like, oh, like had

53:46

things been different, Israel

53:48

could have been in Africa, right,

53:51

could have been completely somewhere else, so like that

53:53

state, So then what like then

53:56

you guys would have been indigenous to Africa, Like

53:58

what is the what I mean? I

54:00

think if we had, if we had

54:04

colonized Uganda, I think

54:06

we would have a much easier time

54:10

like the rest of the world,

54:13

Like Americans would have a much easier time

54:15

seeing Israel for what it Is. They'd

54:18

be like, oh, there is this thing

54:20

in Uganda where the Jews

54:24

a minority of it would look like exactly

54:26

like apartheid rather than what it

54:28

looks like now, which you can you know,

54:31

argue, oh, well, it's not apartheid

54:33

because you know, fifty percent of the Jewish

54:35

population of Israel is from you know, other

54:38

Arab states, or or the

54:40

descendants of people from other Arab states. You

54:42

know, you could, you could it's

54:45

it's not as black and white because

54:47

literally it's not black people versus

54:49

white people, which is I think one of the is

54:52

used by Zionis as

54:54

like a way to distances, Oh,

54:56

we're not we're not doing apartheid. You

54:58

know. It's like yeah, roads are

55:01

separate, but that's just uh, you know, that's

55:04

just that's security. It's security.

55:07

We got to do security. And of course security concerns

55:09

was the concern of africaners

55:12

and in uh South

55:14

Africa and uh former Rhodesia.

55:17

You know, it's just like, well security, you

55:19

know if we can't have equality,

55:21

because then we won't be safe. You know. That's

55:23

how cops were made, like literally that's how the

55:25

police were like they wanted to protect us from slavery,

55:28

the sleeves were going to revolt, Like yeah, exactly.

55:31

That's every single movement

55:34

for uh, you know, justice

55:37

and freedom and you know, equity and

55:40

people like breaking literal

55:43

or figurative chains has always

55:45

been met with people going, well,

55:49

what if they attack us, you

55:51

know, and just right,

55:54

and and you have to like because

55:56

they know they're guilty, because they know what they did

55:59

was bad. It's like, you

56:02

shouldn't have to

56:04

militarize yourself like that if what you were

56:06

doing was just you shouldn't have to

56:09

destroy a land that you claim

56:12

is holy to you. Like, it really doesn't

56:14

compute to me how

56:17

Zionists like actually explain it to themselves

56:19

in their head. And I think it's

56:22

really unsettling because you

56:24

see people that you know, like

56:26

still buy into it, and it's like, yeah,

56:29

it's like the classic progressive except Palestine

56:32

thing, but it's like ten times over,

56:34

yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's

56:36

it's you know, focusing

56:39

more you know, back onto like America

56:42

and Americans kind of like views of

56:44

it. It's just like the

56:47

work is still that

56:50

needs to be done in order to kind

56:52

of separate the

56:55

state of Israel from Jews

56:58

around the world. Is like there's still

57:00

a lot of work that needs to be done.

57:03

I mean, it's just there needs

57:05

to be a you

57:07

know, a divorce, an

57:10

official divorce between

57:13

the State of Israel and world

57:16

Jewelry. We need to, like

57:19

because until we do that,

57:22

we're never going to be able to,

57:27

you know, to put Israel

57:29

into the into the

57:32

place that it deserves to be, like

57:34

like the category of criminal

57:37

enterprise. You know. It's like, we

57:39

need to be able to

57:42

to stop the obfuscation

57:45

that's done by Zionists

57:47

and be like, no, this is not about anti

57:50

Semitism. This is not about hating

57:53

Jews. This is not about not wanting

57:55

Jews to be safe. This is

57:58

a fucking apartheid

58:00

state. It isn't been called in apartheid

58:03

state by Human

58:05

Rights Watch, by Amnesty

58:08

International, by fucking

58:13

but to sell them in Israel,

58:17

yesh Din in Israel. These are

58:19

human rights organizations

58:22

in Israel that are like, yeah,

58:24

that's what we're doing. It's apartheid.

58:27

And the idea that those

58:31

you know, organizations

58:34

lose all legitimacy

58:37

because oh, well, you know, they

58:39

talked about Israel, so I guess

58:41

they're just anti Semitic. Like that's fucking ridiculous

58:44

and that can only be something

58:46

that anyone takes seriously because

58:49

I think a lot of us continue to conflate

58:52

Israel and Jews. Yeah, and

58:54

that needs that conflation needs to end.

58:58

Yeah, and stuff, I

59:00

mean a lot to eat.

59:03

But why

59:05

I've said this before, but I think that's why, like

59:09

a Jewish anti Zionists are like one of the

59:11

most important groups when it comes

59:13

to the pro Palestine movement, because

59:15

a lot of stuff that non Jewish people say

59:17

gets disregarded as being anti

59:21

anti Semitic. So I think I always

59:23

go back to that because it's

59:26

it's the same fight, you know, It's

59:28

it's there's no division of

59:31

religion or anything. It's like literally like an oppressed

59:33

versus an oppressor. And anyone

59:35

with a brain can fucking see that. Yes,

59:39

And anyone who like has

59:41

the ability to you

59:44

know, to have abstract thought, you

59:46

can see that one who can deduce,

59:49

anyone who can deduce. And because

59:52

like the thought experiment of

59:55

what if roles were reversed, which

59:58

is fucking a child old can

1:00:00

do this, What if roles were reversed,

1:00:02

how would you feel? Well, it's

1:00:05

like a sake a version of like white people want to be impressed

1:00:07

so bad, Like that's what it feels like to me, you know, honestly,

1:00:10

I will say

1:00:12

this to you guys and to your audience.

1:00:14

There is a lot of that what I

1:00:17

have seen in the past month

1:00:19

of like white

1:00:23

Jewish colleagues and friends,

1:00:25

possibly former friends

1:00:30

putting this like

1:00:33

situation in Israel and

1:00:36

in the context of this is our George

1:00:39

Floyd has been

1:00:41

like, it's shocked

1:00:44

me. It's shocked me, and

1:00:46

and I feel like it's

1:00:48

so hard to like

1:00:53

it's hard to talk about because

1:00:55

of the fact that it's so embarrassing.

1:00:58

It's so embarrassing for me to

1:01:02

watch people

1:01:04

that I like, respected,

1:01:07

people that like I'm friends

1:01:09

with family like

1:01:13

just decide two

1:01:16

make total fools of themselves,

1:01:18

right, and and are

1:01:21

like, just it's

1:01:23

embarrassing for me. It's so embarrassing.

1:01:26

I I like, I can't it

1:01:29

makes us all look

1:01:33

foolish, you know what I mean, Like,

1:01:35

like, you know, I just I

1:01:38

can't stand it. I can't stand

1:01:40

it. The fact that you would openly

1:01:43

be transactional like that where

1:01:45

you're openly just like or

1:01:48

openly delusional. And

1:01:51

I think a lot of it too, like a lot of my you

1:01:53

know, anger

1:01:57

and resentment

1:01:59

and and also you know just kind

1:02:02

of righteous indignation

1:02:04

or whatever the fuck stems

1:02:06

from just becoming

1:02:08

a dad like a year ago, and

1:02:12

you know, like you can only

1:02:14

see so many dead

1:02:17

kids and parents mourning

1:02:21

their dead kids, holding

1:02:23

their dead kids before you

1:02:25

just crack. And

1:02:27

when I see people

1:02:30

excusing that because

1:02:34

they're like, well, Hamas

1:02:36

did that to our

1:02:39

kids, you know, I'm

1:02:42

just like, you've lost

1:02:45

You've lost all humanity in this,

1:02:48

You've lost all humanity. You can

1:02:50

be against a terrorist

1:02:52

organization and an act of terrorism

1:02:55

all you want, but as soon as

1:02:57

you start excuse

1:03:00

using that kind of brutality

1:03:02

as like, hey, this is the collateral

1:03:05

damage and like and

1:03:07

for what to carry water

1:03:09

for a fucking criminal

1:03:12

apartheid state that wouldn't

1:03:14

protect you for a second, that wouldn't

1:03:17

protect you for a second, does not

1:03:19

protect you currently. That

1:03:22

is existence is

1:03:25

predicated on like

1:03:29

fucking nineteenth century

1:03:31

attitudes of British colonists,

1:03:35

Like what the fuck, man,

1:03:37

It's just so gross to me, and it's like

1:03:39

I just can't there was

1:03:41

you know, the Yeah,

1:03:44

there's just too many videos

1:03:47

and interviews with doctors

1:03:50

who are dying, you know, or

1:03:52

who ended up dying and

1:03:55

you know, trying to just

1:03:57

heal children, and

1:03:59

I'm just like, I don't

1:04:01

know how you can excuse this. I don't know in what

1:04:03

world the amount of delusion that you need to

1:04:05

have in order to excuse this is just unforgivable

1:04:08

to me. But it's because of Hamma's whole

1:04:10

situation. Is is a real, uh truly

1:04:13

unwell way of thinking to

1:04:15

a point where like, yeah, I have seen

1:04:18

so many dead Palestinian children

1:04:20

that I am actually becoming quite

1:04:22

desensitized to it. When before I was like,

1:04:25

oh my god, I can't even look at this. Now I'm like, Okay,

1:04:27

let's let's see what's happening here, Like it

1:04:29

doesn't affect me like it used to, because now

1:04:32

I've been I've seen so much

1:04:35

yeah, like disturbing

1:04:38

that I'm like hm hm okay, yeah, we need to share

1:04:40

this. People need to share this. I don't care if anyone needs

1:04:42

a trigger warning. You just need to see this. Yeah,

1:04:45

it's you know what, the way, it's not disturbing

1:04:47

to me. And I'm jealous And I miss

1:04:49

those days because I'll be you know, honest with you.

1:04:51

Before I had a kid, I could

1:04:55

watch like one

1:04:57

of my favorite fucking Instagram

1:05:00

channels was kids getting hurt, so

1:05:03

it would be like a kid like like falling.

1:05:07

Yeah, well no, it's they're not dying,

1:05:09

they're just it's just

1:05:11

you know, they'll like kick a kickball

1:05:14

and it'll hits hid in the face

1:05:16

and it's very funny. Uh, or

1:05:19

like you know, a kid who's excited here's the ice

1:05:22

ice cream truck and then he falls his

1:05:25

chair and I was like, this

1:05:27

is you know, And I could watch movies and

1:05:30

you know TV shows

1:05:32

that had like you know, tragedy

1:05:34

befalling children and I wouldn't really

1:05:36

feel anything. It was just so I don't

1:05:39

know, like all of it

1:05:41

was very theoretical, Uh, before

1:05:44

I had a kid. Now, I can't fucking watch

1:05:47

a h like a

1:05:49

fucking shitty TV show that

1:05:52

has a kid getting hurt without turning

1:05:54

it off immediately. Like I'm just so

1:05:57

sensitive to the idea of

1:05:59

a kid feeling any pain at all. So

1:06:01

when you see actual footage

1:06:04

of what's happening to Gossen's,

1:06:07

it's just like it's

1:06:10

horrible and horrifying and

1:06:12

infuriating and h and

1:06:15

I I wish I could

1:06:17

become immune to it, because

1:06:19

then I would, uh, you

1:06:21

know, I wouldn't be so

1:06:24

anxious all the time. But I'm yeah, it's

1:06:28

very anxious. I understand

1:06:30

that. And like and just in

1:06:32

terms of like the

1:06:35

dehumanization of Palestinians

1:06:39

is I think so disturbing

1:06:43

to me because that

1:06:46

the way that people are doing

1:06:49

Islamophobia now is so sloppy.

1:06:52

Yeah, it's so it's not

1:06:54

even accurate. It's not like Palestine

1:06:58

accurate. It's just saying hamas isis

1:07:00

it's like well righthobic, right,

1:07:04

and and it's saying it's basically

1:07:06

just like whatever scary

1:07:11

nine to eleven version you have of Arabs,

1:07:13

Yeah, that's Palestinians. And

1:07:16

it's it's it's ignorant, like at

1:07:19

the very least, Israelis

1:07:23

have a very pointed racism towards

1:07:26

Palestinians. The way Americans

1:07:28

do it, it is just your

1:07:31

fucking classic like

1:07:34

oh they're you know, they're they all

1:07:37

they're all cutting heads off and

1:07:39

saying hassan chop, you know, like it's

1:07:41

a fucking bugs bunny carts. Yeah.

1:07:44

Uh. And like when

1:07:47

you actually know

1:07:50

any Palestinians and you know, uh,

1:07:52

fucking you know, like these

1:07:56

guys are not and not to I'm not dehumanizing,

1:07:59

uh, but like they're not rural

1:08:02

Afghan farmers. That's what people

1:08:05

Americans see when they are like,

1:08:07

oh, yeah, these guys are all, you

1:08:10

know, old turbaned

1:08:14

like uh Afghan

1:08:17

farmers with AK forty seven's

1:08:19

and what it's like cartoon. It's like a cartoon.

1:08:22

Uh. Not that they deserve

1:08:24

to be dehumanized either, But

1:08:27

then you look at like these videos

1:08:29

of Gazans who

1:08:31

are forced to do a fucking trail of

1:08:34

tears to South Gaza. Yeah,

1:08:36

and they are just they got fucking

1:08:39

they got their their cats and they

1:08:42

got birds, and they're wearing

1:08:44

backpacks and they're fucking wearing a Nautica

1:08:47

shirt. And you realize that, like,

1:08:49

these are just fucking people. These

1:08:52

are not even like like you

1:08:54

know this, They're not They're

1:08:56

not even close to the

1:08:59

image that you were trying to portray of them.

1:09:02

And the fact that you don't

1:09:04

even have to be careful

1:09:06

about your racism in

1:09:09

America when it comes to anti Arab racism

1:09:11

is so it's just so telling because

1:09:15

everyone who's criticizing

1:09:17

Israel has to be so careful,

1:09:21

careful how you do it, how

1:09:24

you say it. What is what

1:09:26

is a stereotype? You know, like

1:09:29

don't talk about Jewish

1:09:33

money. You know, you

1:09:35

can talk about the Israel lobby, just don't

1:09:37

mention that they use money to do lobbying,

1:09:40

you know, right,

1:09:45

You know, you have to be very very

1:09:47

careful. And but if you're

1:09:49

a Zionist or a supporter of Israel,

1:09:52

you don't even have to have the right stereotype.

1:09:55

You can just be like they're animals.

1:09:58

Yeah, and they can they take the you know,

1:10:00

they do a lot of things where they take the word like jihad

1:10:03

and just manipulate it to a point where it's

1:10:06

just like yes or martyr, yeah,

1:10:08

oh, martyr, from the river to the seat. They take

1:10:10

everything, everything, everything,

1:10:12

and like this, the the the

1:10:15

focus on semantics,

1:10:17

the focus on the correct words,

1:10:20

you will never be able to

1:10:23

find the correct words. And

1:10:26

because of that kind of tone

1:10:28

policing, people

1:10:31

are just gonna say, well fuck you, and

1:10:34

there will be people who will be saying

1:10:36

some pretty anti Semitic ass ship and

1:10:39

because why not, Because at

1:10:41

this point we can't even say

1:10:43

words that rhyme. You

1:10:45

can't say from the river to the sea. You can't

1:10:47

say Palestine will be free.

1:10:50

Yeah, whoa Every slogan

1:10:52

is like that seed shining sea.

1:10:56

Where does the

1:10:59

idea? Yeah, that like Every

1:11:03

single peaceful phrase

1:11:07

that has ever been uttered on

1:11:10

behalf of the Palestinians or from

1:11:12

the Palestinians is secretly

1:11:14

a call to Jewish genocide. Is

1:11:17

just it's so, it's

1:11:20

just fake and it is it

1:11:23

is meant to keep

1:11:25

you in your head trying

1:11:28

to find the right phrase. Everything.

1:11:30

It's like remember the Gretathrenburg.

1:11:33

Yes, it

1:11:36

was a plushy. Yeah, there was a fucking

1:11:38

plushy. She

1:11:41

was pro Palestine and she was needed

1:11:43

an anti summit, a Semitic right

1:11:45

semitic anti semi excuse me, Yeah,

1:11:47

it makes no

1:11:51

insane adult a fucking

1:11:53

plushy that every fucking child has

1:11:55

because it's an octopus and yeah,

1:11:58

and it's just like so bad faith. And honestly,

1:12:00

it just like it's

1:12:03

open season if you're a fucking Nazi. Yeah

1:12:06

you know what I mean, if you're an actual Nazi,

1:12:09

Oh you don't give a fuck, Like

1:12:11

like, these guys are fucking you

1:12:13

can You've made regular

1:12:17

people be cynical

1:12:19

of the idea of anti Semitism where they're

1:12:21

never not even going to be sensitive to it anymore.

1:12:24

And I don't blame them. I don't blame

1:12:26

people for just being like, ah, fuck it. You

1:12:28

guys say everything we say is wrong. All I'm doing

1:12:30

is crying over fucking Palestinian dead

1:12:33

children, and you're calling me an anti semi

1:12:36

Well everything you say is bullshit, And

1:12:38

so I like, I have trouble. Yeah,

1:12:43

yeah, it really is. You have desensitized

1:12:46

something that is

1:12:49

actually quite evil to

1:12:51

a point where now it

1:12:54

is being used. Yeah,

1:12:56

now people by people who are taking advantage

1:12:58

of an opportunity. Yes, yes, and

1:13:01

and people. And you know, you've

1:13:04

made all of

1:13:06

these other struggles,

1:13:11

uh, you've made them all

1:13:14

less strong. The idea

1:13:16

that you're like putting a

1:13:20

a gay flag in

1:13:22

Gaza and flying it around and being

1:13:24

like this is the first you know, lgbt

1:13:27

Q flag flown in Gaza.

1:13:30

You you are actively hurting all

1:13:32

these other struggles by trying

1:13:34

to tie it in to your

1:13:37

criminal enterprise. And I like, I

1:13:39

look at that, and I go like that is It's just it's

1:13:41

so ah, it's

1:13:44

just so disgusting to me. It's so disgusting.

1:13:46

And you know, like you're

1:13:50

yeah, it's just it's gross.

1:13:52

It's all it's all gross, guys, It's just it.

1:13:55

You know, the only thing that makes me hopeful

1:13:57

is that Israel seems

1:13:59

to have lost

1:14:05

the ability

1:14:07

to pretend anymore.

1:14:10

Yeah. And I think like

1:14:12

even like CNN,

1:14:15

you know, when they're doing their like Hasbara

1:14:18

talking points, they'll interview a

1:14:20

guy and they'll be like, but I

1:14:22

mean, should you buy my hospital? You

1:14:24

know, like they'll like and and you

1:14:26

know, the they can't answer

1:14:29

that question to the satisfaction

1:14:31

I think of the viewers. And I think the viewers and

1:14:33

even the anchors are like, oh, good,

1:14:36

like you from

1:14:40

Orders and they're like, but you were scared of the Gossins

1:14:42

and she exactly and

1:14:44

saved my life. It's like, but would you wouldn't

1:14:46

go back though? Right? She's like, I got my ticket

1:14:49

right now, I'm going back. Yeah, I would go immediately.

1:14:51

Yeah. Like everything was like they're

1:14:53

trying so hard in every person who's

1:14:55

now knows the game, they

1:14:57

knows what the media. They knows, they know the

1:15:00

media is trying to do. And now you have to go in with

1:15:02

such a strategic plan that

1:15:04

they can't fuck you over in this interview while at the

1:15:06

same time not pulling the plug yeah

1:15:09

yeah, or editing it to death

1:15:12

genocide yeah yeah.

1:15:14

And and and I see, like for

1:15:17

me, it's funny

1:15:19

watching Pierce Morgan Uh,

1:15:22

that's that was something I was not expecting. I will,

1:15:24

I gotta say, you can Candice

1:15:27

Hename, what's her names

1:15:31

also like oh yeah, it's a genocide and you're

1:15:33

like, what the fuck do we have these people on our side?

1:15:35

I know. Well that's the other disgusting thing about

1:15:37

it is just you know, now you get you

1:15:40

know, just the most bad faith

1:15:42

like most likely fucking

1:15:45

to be real anti Semis

1:15:47

like also being there. And my thought

1:15:50

on that is like they're not allowed at the march.

1:15:52

Fuck them, no, And I

1:15:54

don't care about their little propaganda

1:15:56

war and trying to get a bite of the Nazi apple. They

1:15:59

need a dick. Ask Cannice Owens

1:16:01

to come speak in a march, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1:16:03

exactly exactly. But

1:16:06

fucking you know, like

1:16:09

Pierce Morgan is to me was a

1:16:11

great example of you're seeing someone who

1:16:15

you can tell that he is doing

1:16:18

a thing where he's going, I

1:16:21

Am going to be playing

1:16:23

the part of guy

1:16:26

doing Hasbara talking points. But

1:16:29

then when he interviews people like

1:16:31

Basim Yusef or like Hassan

1:16:34

Piker or you know

1:16:36

whatever, you know Israeli talking

1:16:39

you know, mouthpiece that he has on you

1:16:43

can see the fact that he's actually allowing

1:16:47

like Hassan and uh

1:16:49

uh bass him to speak. Yeah

1:16:52

you can. I can tell that

1:16:56

what he's doing here, like he's going to continue

1:16:58

his but what about? But what about? But

1:17:01

he's not going to do a good job of selling

1:17:03

it. Like I almost feel like it's on purpose.

1:17:05

He's not doing a good job of he's

1:17:08

letting himself get dragged. And I think it's

1:17:10

because he's playing a game where he knows he

1:17:12

has to do the fucking talking

1:17:14

points. But

1:17:18

there's nowhere in there does it say

1:17:20

you also have to talk over the

1:17:23

guest while they're talking back.

1:17:26

And I feel like that is a

1:17:28

surprising thing from Piers Morgan,

1:17:31

who is you know, by all accounts, a

1:17:33

fucking knob. But like he

1:17:36

I will say that, like that does seem to be

1:17:38

a little bit of It's

1:17:41

like some people in mainstream

1:17:43

media are doing

1:17:46

a little like like signaling to

1:17:48

me, these little cracks in the armor where

1:17:50

they are going they're asking a

1:17:52

blunt question and they're getting

1:17:55

a terrible answer. I mean,

1:17:57

and I think that is you

1:18:00

know, the silver lining is that I see

1:18:02

it cracking and

1:18:05

I hope for the best, and all I can

1:18:08

really hope for is that Americans

1:18:13

wake up to the

1:18:15

fact that this is a

1:18:18

genocide, in that Israel is an

1:18:21

apartheid state, and

1:18:23

I hope American Jews can,

1:18:27

you know, start more and

1:18:29

more speaking up about it, you

1:18:31

know. I it

1:18:33

used to be for a while when

1:18:36

I was younger, I was very

1:18:39

resentful of anyone who would talk to American

1:18:41

Jews and be like, you have to say something, because

1:18:44

I'd be like, actually, it's anti Semitic for you to ask

1:18:46

me to do anything other than live. But

1:18:49

then, you know, in private with Jews,

1:18:52

I would say to them, we got to say something.

1:18:55

We got it, like, this is something we you

1:18:57

know, we can't just keep having this insular converse

1:19:00

with each other while on the

1:19:02

outside publicly we carry

1:19:04

water for the Israeli

1:19:07

government. We can't. It can't

1:19:09

just be this insular like among Jews

1:19:11

we talk about how Israel's racist

1:19:13

is shit, and then in public

1:19:16

we chastise anyone, especially

1:19:19

if they're Jewish, for saying it in public,

1:19:21

like keep that shit in the fucking group chat,

1:19:23

you know. And

1:19:25

now I've like come to the point where I'm

1:19:28

just like, you know, I will say

1:19:30

not just in public this stuff, but

1:19:33

to other Jews, like, Hey, American

1:19:35

Jews, it is our

1:19:38

part of privilege, the

1:19:41

privilege that we have to

1:19:44

it's using your privilege for good. We've always

1:19:46

talked about this when it came to Black Lives matter,

1:19:48

and we've always talked about it with everything else. Well,

1:19:50

now is the chance for you to truly use

1:19:53

your privilege for good. Not that it wasn't

1:19:55

before, but let's be honest. If you're in fucking

1:19:58

you know, San Francisco, U or

1:20:00

you know, any other liberal bastion and

1:20:02

you're saying black lives matter, like the majority

1:20:04

of the elect electorate probably agrees with you.

1:20:07

You know, is there a liberal

1:20:09

standpoint? But this is

1:20:12

a point in which you can use your privilege.

1:20:15

And it is a privilege that we have because

1:20:17

literally, we can move to Israel if we want

1:20:19

to. If we want to, we can move,

1:20:22

and we can displace a family

1:20:24

and we can continue carving

1:20:27

up the West Bank if we want to.

1:20:30

That is a privilege, and

1:20:32

you can speak out

1:20:34

against it and say not

1:20:37

in my fucking name, and you

1:20:39

have that privilege to do it. And

1:20:41

if we all fucking just wake up,

1:20:44

then you know, maybe we

1:20:46

can stop supporting that state. Anyways.

1:20:50

Amen, Amen to that I

1:20:52

feel like I joked around early

1:20:55

on about talking over you guys, and then

1:20:57

I spent this whole time. I

1:21:00

think the best podcast guest lets

1:21:02

me not talk, you know what I mean. That's

1:21:06

how I feel on my The Wire podcast,

1:21:08

I find myself talking too much and then I'm like,

1:21:10

oh, this is gonna be the worst episode. Yeah,

1:21:13

but we brought

1:21:15

you on for a reason. We love your brain and how

1:21:17

it works and your really important.

1:21:21

Thanks. But

1:21:23

for the people that don't know where to find

1:21:25

you, where can people find you? I'm

1:21:28

on Instagram at matt leib

1:21:30

jokes and

1:21:33

that I'm doing a bunch of videos

1:21:35

that are satirical takes on Zionis,

1:21:37

talking points and stuff, and you

1:21:40

know, you can check those out if you like

1:21:42

The Sopranos or The Wire. I

1:21:45

do a TV rewatch podcast called Pod

1:21:47

Yourself a Gun and

1:21:50

it is right now we're doing The Wire. We've

1:21:53

done all of the Sopranos, so you

1:21:55

can listen to that. I do a lot of

1:21:57

parody songs of you

1:21:59

know, for every episode. It is

1:22:02

fucking stupid and takes

1:22:05

a lot of time, and it's usually my

1:22:07

brand, and you know, I

1:22:09

will say that anti Zionism is maybe

1:22:12

my brand once every couple of years

1:22:15

when Israel starts bombing

1:22:17

Gaza and now

1:22:19

it's just taken over my fucking brain, so you

1:22:22

know, but still listen

1:22:25

to my podcast and I love you guys,

1:22:27

and you guys have both been guests on it, and I want

1:22:29

to say too, I love you guys so

1:22:32

fucking much, and I

1:22:35

feel for you guys in

1:22:38

a way that I can't like totally even

1:22:41

put into words because of

1:22:43

just

1:22:45

just how disgusting

1:22:49

that it must be to like watching

1:22:52

America like turn

1:22:55

back into this post nine to eleven fucking

1:22:59

anti Arab, anti brown

1:23:02

person place, you know, where anyone

1:23:05

from the Middle East is like it

1:23:07

is now become okay again to

1:23:09

just completely dehumanize you and

1:23:11

to rob you of your

1:23:14

careers or your future or whatever the fuck.

1:23:18

And I like, uh, I'm

1:23:21

just I love that that it

1:23:23

doesn't call you guys and

1:23:25

it doesn't stop you from

1:23:28

expressing yourselves. And I think that is

1:23:32

way more brave

1:23:35

than me doing my satirical

1:23:37

videos. So

1:23:40

yeah, I just I love you guys. I

1:23:43

mean, I won't lie to you. It's

1:23:45

dark, man, It's dark

1:23:47

out here. It's dark. That's

1:23:50

really nice to say, though. Thanks for saying

1:23:52

that, I think, like every

1:23:54

day is a panic y yeah, and

1:23:58

we I do fear for my family and the

1:24:00

people I know, you know what I mean, Like it's like post

1:24:02

nine to eleven, my mom has my mom was still

1:24:04

covering her hair, and I remember as a kid

1:24:06

being like, is my mom going to be safe

1:24:08

when she walks round in the mall or whatever

1:24:11

it is. And I think the

1:24:13

fear that a lot of American Zionists

1:24:16

are projecting into the world about

1:24:18

like them being in danger, like I really

1:24:20

feel that way for the Arab community.

1:24:23

Like everything. I feel like every Zionist

1:24:25

talking point is sometimes just a projection

1:24:29

what it is, and that's and so when I

1:24:31

when I see like Amy Schumer

1:24:34

or whatever the fuck posting about how unsafe

1:24:36

they feel, it's truly like just

1:24:39

a slap in the face because it's just the most

1:24:43

privileged outlook in the world.

1:24:46

And it is really unsettling to

1:24:49

regress this far back to

1:24:51

like the pre or the post nine to eleven talking

1:24:54

points. But I think the reality

1:24:57

is it was always there. We just kind of covered it up

1:24:59

with other things, and now people are allowed to express

1:25:01

it again, and it never really went away. That's what

1:25:03

it feels like it feels like it never really went

1:25:05

away. Yeah, and it's

1:25:09

it's shocking because although

1:25:12

it never went away in some quarters,

1:25:15

it was definitely

1:25:17

frowned upon in liberal

1:25:20

areas. Yes, And

1:25:22

the fact that you have so

1:25:25

called liberals liberal

1:25:28

Zionists just adopting

1:25:31

the same genocidal language,

1:25:34

the same dehumanizing language as

1:25:38

Israel is like, yeah,

1:25:41

I can imagine. That's fucking shocking because

1:25:43

now it's not just some red

1:25:45

state troll on the internet. It's like your

1:25:48

friend saying that, yeah,

1:25:51

yeah, yeah,

1:25:54

yeah, it's it's real.

1:25:56

And also, universities can go fuck themselves.

1:25:59

I know the way you're treating I

1:26:02

mean, there are a bunch of fucking cowards. They've always been

1:26:04

cowards, and you

1:26:06

know it is it's very

1:26:09

funny to see them continue

1:26:12

to be cowards. But

1:26:14

no, it is. It's awful too, but

1:26:17

you know their rackets.

1:26:19

Anyways, the idea

1:26:22

of paying any of these fucking institutions

1:26:24

for an education and watching what they do, I'm

1:26:27

just like, fuck you don't.

1:26:30

I didn't get a job because I went to college. True,

1:26:33

it's true. I did a lot of heroin

1:26:35

though, so that was sick. Save

1:26:39

that for episode when you come back. We'll save

1:26:41

that to all of that for next time. Yes,

1:26:44

but seriously, it

1:26:46

was so lovely to talk to you. You are we

1:26:49

We love you just as much as you love us, which

1:26:51

I hope is a lot. Uh,

1:26:54

Yeah, that's easy. I

1:26:58

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1:27:20

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1:27:30

the only way we have

1:27:32

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1:27:34

gamy. They've left us no choice. He's

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