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Welcome to Everything Scary . My name is Lynn and I'm here

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, sorry , international celebrity . Thank you , matt

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McClain .

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Hello , hello .

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Pod . Here we go .

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Wow , we've already started and you call

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yourself a professional podcaster .

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I just can't get over the Pound-E-D stuff . I'm

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sorry . I'm sorry to anyone just jumping

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in . I don't

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want it And

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I don't like it . No , stop

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it . If anybody hasn't listened

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to the first episode of OJ , you got

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to listen to the first episode of OJ . Absolutely

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, it's a good one . It's a goodie . I

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mean , it's an hour and 42 minutes , so make sure you have

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a long car ride ahead of you .

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Oh , nice long drive , it commutes .

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Or you're cleaning your kitchen .

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Yes , you can do half on the way there , half on the way

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back and then you'll find out about Pound-E-D

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. Pound-e-d's murr And my wieners are

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going like this . I don't want it . I don't want

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it .

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Call me a one-eyed yogurt singer . I don't

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like it , sorry . Everyone

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Welcome , welcome .

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Please To a professional .

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Join us Experience . Sit down in the boardroom and

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we're about to discuss some

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matters at hand .

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Yes , Lynn is wearing a lovely pantsuit .

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I am wearing my pantsuit , i've got my notebook

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. We need to discuss some things . We're making some cuts

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.

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Are we on Patreon right now , or is this a ?

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This is just a regular episode , all right I will put my

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shirt back on .

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My apologies , i thought this was for our Patreon

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. Oh , sorry guys , i do those

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in the nude .

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Yes , especially when the landscaper's outside

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just buzzing by with his dart

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hanging out of his mouth .

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It's always . You know , you have enough lots of chest hair when the

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landscaper's like you know what

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I mean . Take a run

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at the front , take that down .

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So off the top I

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have to leave myself a little note here on my do

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Patreon and IG stuff off the top

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of episodes ?

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Yes , we are available on Patreon . Patreon

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and Matt does it in a buff

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. I do , i do . We love our Patreon

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subscribers .

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And we also love everyone else .

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Yes , equally . Yeah , it's

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like our children . Well , true

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, they're our favorites .

2:31

There's favorites . I mean any

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parent that says they don't have favorites is lying to

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themselves . Just kidding , I'm kidding

2:38

Guys . I hope my kids

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never listen to this . So we also

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have an Instagram , which we're very active on . We

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have Facebook too , not super active

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, Really . I just allow

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the Instagram post to siphon

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through into Facebook . But I

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don't , you know , i think we're at that super cool

2:55

age right now where we're too young

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for Facebook .

2:58

Yeah , facebook is lame .

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Well , you actually are very cool because you

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do TikTok right Yeah , Are

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you a TikTok Liberty ?

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No , no , i don't think so

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. Well , yes , actually I

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am Okay , because there is

3:13

a gentleman that comes down to

3:15

. He's a he's a Mississauga firefighter

3:17

and he comes down to the hot dog cart

3:20

every couple of weeks and he calls me

3:22

by my username , no , addresses

3:24

me by my username . I assume it's from

3:26

TikTok , because I did have a TikTok

3:29

video at the cart , really About CartDude

3:31

. Pretty well , so I would say yes

3:33

, technically in

3:35

the lowest form . I

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am a TikTok Liberty because I

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do draw .

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I don't know if you ever ever saw the

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TikToks that I tried to do about for

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the podcast . I am not

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capable of doing dances

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.

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Oh , that'd be great If you did like a TikTok

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dance to promote true crime .

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I'm 38 years old . Nobody wants this . There's

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not a person out there that's like , let's see that 38

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year old dance .

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I would disagree . In fact I

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, if I had my purse around a little bag

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of money .

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You have a bag of money ? Yes , does

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it have a money symbol on it ?

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Doesn't it anymore Once I color

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it out , because that

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would be dumb .

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But you'd pay for me to dance . Okay

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, yeah , the robot .

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The what Robot ? Oh , i thought

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you said to rub it And I was like okay let's

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just I under listen

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. I get to be up sale . I don't want him to be pouty

4:32

I don't want to pouty

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me at work . Oh my .

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God , oh , this is

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off the rails . We haven't even started yet

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.

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Hold it together If I get murdered . Lynn's husband

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, suspect number one , and

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Lynn number two Just

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for fun .

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So yeah , I said we're too young for Facebook and

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I'm too old for TikTok , because

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I can't . I tried to do the Cecil hotel on

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a TikTok and it's just embarrassing . It's like

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I've got like a picture of a coffin

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that just I'm not sure what I .

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Nice , yeah , all right , don't follow some TikTok

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. Yeah Don't , please don't .

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Or if you do know how to do TikTok and you're really really

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good at it , please DM me , because I'm

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willing to pay somebody to do some TikToks for me

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. I mean , it's not a lot , It's it's

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not a lot .

5:16

Pay you in one pride

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cupcake , the red one .

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Cause I don't want anyone I know to

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have red food color .

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Lynn has that theory of people with ADD included

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Even red food dye . So

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I I've refused .

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Listen , I can tell you that my

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middle son , I will

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know if he had red food coloring without seeing

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him ingest anything . Really Yeah

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.

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Now I have had a rebel , I would

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say the last

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10 years , against all artificially

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flavored things , cherry , which

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usually comes over with a red . Yeah , yeah

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, i'm wondering if that's like a subconscious way of It's

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really it is . I'd rather just take your

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word for it . if I'm being honest with you , i

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don't see you being a liar , nope , nope

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.

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One of my friends , danielle , she

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Like

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hang with my husband .

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Awesome another one of your friends in love . I can't wait to meet

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them all . I

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Love hearing about women

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that are in relationships and happy

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me .

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But she's a lot like me like we're

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, like we sage our house . We

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friggin don't give our kid any red food dye

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. My other two girlfriends , sarah and Michelle

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they think I'm insane

6:33

and Sarah in particular , will

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offer my kids the reddest

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of things . Oh nice because she

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actively works against me . But

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Sarah has had this poor girl , i'm telling

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you , her children have been sick for like

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three months straight and she's all like when

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me and Danielle sage our houses and Stuff , she think it's hocus

6:54

pocus and we're a bunch of nutjobs . But

6:56

now she's like bring that sage over here , because

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they've had strep throughout , they've had the stomach bug , they've

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had everything . Sarah's missed so much

7:02

work because of it . And now she's like

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please just come over and sage my house . She's like come , bring

7:06

your sage , bring your stupid feather , do what you're smudging

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. But

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Sarah's also had recently . I just found

7:14

out last night that they have like

7:16

Different lights in their house going

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on and off and like their fans will turn on

7:20

by themselves and stuff .

7:21

Well , i will tell you this they are obviously

7:24

victims of a haunting . Mercury

7:27

is not in retrograde , until I have believed

7:29

. next month , maybe August ? How ?

7:31

do you know ?

7:31

about mercury in retrograde . I'm a professional

7:34

broadcaster . I am paid to bring the news and the

7:36

information to the people .

7:37

I know , you know what , i listen to you on the morning show and I'm

7:39

just like so in awe by the things that you just

7:41

flawlessly know .

7:43

No big deal , that's

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right .

7:47

But then I get confused because I've known

7:49

a couple conversations that you and I have had

7:51

yes , and you just fill a buster . Yes

7:53

right through until the end , and then I'm like

7:55

did he answer my question ? So

7:58

I'm like , is he just so good at what he's doing that

8:00

I think that he's talking about something right now

8:02

. Yes , yes to

8:04

both yes to all of it .

8:06

I am essentially a bullshit RTS

8:08

.

8:08

That's amazing . Yeah , i'm

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so proud of you I could be in politics , so

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this one here that I'm gonna do

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had me in tears last night .

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So I'm really looking forward , thank

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it Nick Offerman ? It was like the

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guy from Yeah yeah

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.

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Ron Swanson yeah , did me and him have

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a love time . And

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the Patreons get a personalized

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Message yep

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, and I just ordered new cards , so I'm

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gonna need you to start thinking of alright

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. You're funny little things because everybody

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really likes the stuff you say it's Like

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, yeah , you know , think of what you want to write .

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I had them for maybe a month . I had a stack

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of four weeks . I was like you know what cuz I don't want

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to like burn out and do like a batch of 30

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at once , I just want to do like one or two a day as

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it comes to me , and then do

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you have those cards ready .

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Yeah for sure two seconds later

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, my mom

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can't believe . People pay to hear me .

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I'm writing this without pants . I'm

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looking in your window right now .

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Yeah , we have your address , So

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do you know the movie waitress ? no

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with Carrie Russell .

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Mm-hmm .

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Okay .

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No , i do not , which is odd . Yeah , i know a lot of her

9:50

vehicles . Mainly just felicity in the

9:52

Americans .

9:52

But because you screwed up relationship

9:55

with a girl that was through ICQ

9:57

and Started dating her brother

9:59

. Yes , essentially I Remember

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the things you say , oh yeah , imagine

10:05

you had , and said that I just knew it . Oh , my

10:07

god , i'd be like okay . So

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this movie stars Carrie Russell

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and Nathan a Phillion , but

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it also stars in a much smaller role and actress

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by the name of Adrian Shelley . And

10:21

not only was Adrian a supporting role in

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the film , but she also wrote

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and produced the film . Oh wow . In

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November of 2006 . She was

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eagerly waiting to see if her movie

10:32

would be debuted at the 2007

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Sundance Film Festival . Waitress

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was a real labor of love for Adrian . Of

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her Carrie Russell would say she'd

10:42

explain exactly what she was looking for . This

10:44

was her movie . She also wrote the songs

10:46

that I sing in it . She wrote everything . She chose the

10:48

color of her outfit , she designed the set of the diner

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. She was very , very involved at every

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level . Adrian was born

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June 24th 1966 in Queens

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, new York . She was one of three and

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she had two brothers . Her parents were Elaine

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Longbaum and Sheldon

11:03

Levine , who went by Shelley .

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Can we just say just sidebar Longbaum

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, probably the greatest last name .

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Actually no , do you want to know what is the greatest last name

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? My friend Shelley . Her

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last name is Longbottom .

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Oh , Yeah

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, it came out bad .

11:22

Longbottom is like a long way to get to what

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Shelley's is just outright saying That's

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great . So she

11:28

was born Adrian Levine , but would later use the

11:30

stage last name , shelley , as

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a tribute to her father , who would die

11:34

from a massive heart attack when she was gone

11:36

to sleepaway camp , which made her

11:38

fear that she would die young , and she

11:40

would often vocalize that . And

11:42

what if she had a small kid when she died ? She

11:45

didn't want to leave her children with the feeling that she

11:47

had in losing her dad at such a young age . Adrian

11:50

was only 12 when her father died and he was only 40

11:52

. Wow . Adrian loved

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to be on stage and in high school was

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cast in the play Annie . But as

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early as 10 years old she knew that she wanted to

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be an actress and she would later go to Boston University

12:03

and would study film production

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, but a year before she would graduate

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she would drop out and just try to pursue her

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dreams of acting .

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Nice .

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And she did really well in acting

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When she first started to pursue

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her career . she just simply sent out

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a bunch of headshots , which is what I did with the podcast

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. I'm like any influencer

12:23

, any person that like could

12:25

have a platform . Please talk

12:27

to me . And

12:30

now I'm here with an international celebrity

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, mm-hmm

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.

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So It fully closed .

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Yeah , well , not for long , because we have two patrons

12:39

coming up . Yep

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, don't get too comfortable . When

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she first started to pursue this career , she

12:47

simply sent out a bunch of headshots , and it

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did work for her . In 1989 , she was

12:52

in a film called The Unbelievable Truth

12:54

, and it would debut at the Toronto Film

12:56

Festival , nice , and it was the

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hit , and she would continue on that path

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. She was on the cover

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of tons of magazines , but there would

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be directors , one

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of those directors being Harvey Weinstein , who

13:09

wanted Adrian to do more sex scenes and show

13:11

more skin . That doesn't bring

13:13

true with him , though , does it Not Harvey ? No

13:16

, come on , he sounds great , and

13:19

while she recognized that some actresses were

13:21

perfectly comfortable with those types of scenes , it

13:23

wasn't for Adrian .

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It was for her .

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Mm-hmm . Not only did Adrian have big hopes

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of becoming a household name , but she

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also really , really wanted the

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family life In a movie

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that her husband will

13:36

find out that she gets married . Well , obviously didn't time

13:38

that great . She was right

13:40

He would produce , and it was appropriately

13:42

titled Adrian . She tells a

13:44

funny story about a restaurant

13:46

that she and a past boyfriend

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used to . It was like their regular hang-up spot And

13:51

one day they were sitting there at their usual spot and

13:53

he proceeded to break up with her And

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she said that right

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after that happened the restaurant went under And

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so a different type of restaurant opened up

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in that exact same location And then she got a new relationship

14:05

And then one

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day it's sitting at that same location at a different

14:09

restaurant Her now new boyfriend would

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break up with her .

14:12

Oh , my God .

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And then that restaurant would go under And

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she said it was just awful . And so

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she said that from that point on she never brought

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any bows to that location . She

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said , not only for herself did she not want to be

14:24

broken up with , but for the restaurant owner , what

14:27

the restaurant ? She said she didn't want these businesses

14:29

to fail .

14:30

She didn't need that on her conscious .

14:32

But of course she wanted to get married

14:34

and have kids . But she kept dating

14:37

the same kind of guy And it never went well

14:39

for her . So she decided to try matchcom

14:41

, which I think nowadays is

14:43

a very normal way to meet someone . But

14:45

in 2006 , it was a bit of a gamble , but

14:48

for Adrian it absolutely paid off . She

14:50

met Andy Astroy off

14:53

the dating site And to say

14:55

he was head over heels for her would be

14:57

an absolute understatement . He

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thought she was hilarious , with a genius

15:02

IQ , and it didn't hurt that she was

15:04

also absolutely stunning . They

15:06

would move in together , but Adrian would keep her old

15:08

apartment in Greenwich Village , greenwich

15:11

. Thank you , you're welcome . It's written

15:13

Greenwich . It is Greenwich , it's a great shirt .

15:15

Yeah , great shirt , thank you .

15:17

So that she had a place that she would turn into her

15:19

office where she could get her writing done

15:22

.

15:22

Oh nice , That's smart , And plus you

15:24

got a whole separate Erinie .

15:25

Just kind of chill out Right , right , a lot of stresses

15:28

are getting too much . Andy would propose

15:30

to Adrian in Paris and the couple would marry

15:32

in 2002 . And they would welcome

15:34

their one and only child , Sophie . Adrian

15:37

would write Waitress when she was eight months

15:39

pregnant with Sophie . Adrian would call

15:41

her marriage to Andy the mad , crazy

15:44

love affair that I've awaited my entire life for

15:46

.

15:46

Aw , that's cute . Could you imagine writing a whole movie when

15:48

you're eight months pregnant ? I mean I can't because I've never

15:50

been pregnant , but you've got a couple of kids .

15:53

I couldn't even imagine standing an entire

15:55

shower for

15:57

the entire shower if I was to remain on my feet

15:59

. Waitress

16:02

is about a waitress . No shit , yeah

16:05

, write that down .

16:06

Any idea what the movie Titanic's about ?

16:08

It's about a waitress , So

16:12

obviously , and she gets pregnant with her

16:15

awful husband and there's

16:17

a lot more to it , but basically a lot of it has to do with being

16:19

terrified about losing yourself when becoming a mother and

16:21

being scared , but also knowing that

16:24

when this little person comes into your life , that

16:26

it's going to change you for the better , And she

16:28

would say that this movie was a love letter

16:30

to her baby . Oh Yeah , On

16:33

Halloween of 2006 , Adrian and Andy

16:35

would have friends over who had children It's

16:38

really beautiful , because Andy videoed

16:40

this entire night and

16:42

that's going to pay off later on but they

16:45

would have children over and they would all celebrate Halloween

16:47

together . There was a pinata and everyone seemed to be in high spirits

16:49

. Her daughter at this point was only two

16:52

, so it wasn't like you're not really trick or treating at that point , especially

16:55

in New York .

16:56

Yeah , how'd you even do that ?

16:57

That would be scary . Adrian

16:59

had a smile from ear to ear . when she's

17:01

watching Sophie , sophie is just like

17:03

the pinata breaks and like she's

17:05

just absolutely in awe , and

17:07

Adrian says she looks

17:09

drunk . Are you drunk , andy

17:13

would say , of this night . I went

17:15

to bed that night , the luckiest man alive , and

17:17

by the next night I was living the worst nightmare

17:20

imaginable , oh , goosebumps . So

17:23

the next morning , which was November 1st of 2006

17:25

, that's how Halloween works .

17:27

Day after , November 1st , 30

17:29

days after that . Yeah

17:31

, go ahead .

17:34

Andy said they woke up and they had like a lazy morning

17:36

together . They would leave the house together around

17:38

9.15 , leaving Sophie with her nanny . Andy

17:42

would drop Adrian off at her office and

17:44

he watched her walk all the way into the building

17:46

, which was like you know . sometimes he got caught up and like

17:49

you're busy , you got to go , you got to go . But

17:51

this morning he just stopped and he just watched her walk

17:53

right into the building and he just

17:55

remembers feeling so happy

17:58

and so lucky . Aw , this

18:00

was 2006, . so cell phones were common

18:03

, but we still used other things as well . Now

18:05

we don't like think about what we calculators

18:08

, video cameras , pictures , emails

18:10

, beavers , beavers . You

18:13

use your cell phone as a beaver .

18:14

Is it beaver ? I

18:18

mean cell phone is a beaver . What the fuck's the way

18:20

?

18:21

I don't know what kind of cell phone you have . Androids are doing

18:23

something crazy nowadays

18:25

.

18:26

Chop down trees .

18:27

Builds a dam , it's crazy .

18:30

Happy that's the beaver we both went with . I'm

18:32

just happy with our mature selves

18:34

.

18:35

You , just you ruined it .

18:37

I'm sorry , yeah right .

18:39

So usually throughout the days

18:41

Adrian and Andy used

18:43

to keep in pretty constant contact , like just as

18:45

much as I think normal couples do . You

18:47

know nothing big , but just like shoot each other the odd text

18:49

or email saying like what's for dinner , what's this , what's

18:51

the point of that ? So by 5pm when Andy

18:54

hadn't heard anything at all from Adrian no

18:56

cell phone , no emails , no landlines he

18:58

was getting radio silence back

19:00

and he began to worry . He

19:03

had plans that evening with his friend Brian , but

19:05

he asked if they could go downtown so

19:07

that he could get eyes on Adrian and just make sure everything

19:10

was okay . Of course Brian agreed

19:12

, but he was also going through a

19:14

list of the things that could have happened that were

19:16

innocent . That would result in Adrian not getting back to him . But

19:19

he would later say that you could

19:21

see how worried Andy was . When

19:24

they reached the apartment , brian told him to

19:26

just leave the car running and he would wait down there

19:28

for him . Andy went inside , spoke

19:30

with the doorman who he was familiar with , and asked him if he would

19:32

accompany him to Adrian's

19:35

office , which is apartment number 47

19:37

. And the two made their way up there

19:39

. Once they reached the apartment it was

19:41

clear that they weren't going to need the

19:43

doorman , because the door hadn't even been closed

19:45

over all the way And it was just

19:48

sitting open .

19:48

A jar , perhaps A jar , thank you . Wow

19:51

, that's the answer to one of my favorite riddles of all

19:53

time When's a door not a door

19:55

?

19:56

When it's a jar , i like that , thank

19:58

you . Andy

20:00

said that when he entered he could feel

20:02

evil had been in the apartment . He

20:05

said he noticed that CNN was on . the volume was

20:07

low . That was on the evil side

20:09

.

20:11

It's Wolf Blitzer Here

20:14

in the situation . It's the

20:16

melming Oh boy

20:18

.

20:21

Andy went into the bathroom and he found

20:23

Adrian hanging from a bed sheet from

20:25

the shower rod . He

20:28

called down to Brian and he said Brian , get up

20:30

here , adrian's dead . By

20:33

the time the first responders arrived at the scene

20:35

, it was clear that there was nothing that they could do to save

20:37

her At 40 years old , the exact

20:39

same age that her beloved father had been . Adrian

20:41

Shelley was dead and it looked to be a

20:43

suicide . When the

20:45

autopsy was conducted , it was determined that

20:48

she had died by suicide as a result

20:50

of net compressions . Andy

20:53

was not accepting of this at all . He

20:55

said that Adrian was the happiest that he had ever seen

20:57

her . This happened on a Wednesday

20:59

and she had been making plans with friends for the upcoming

21:01

weekend . She was waiting to hear if Waitress

21:04

was going to be at the Sundance Film Festival . She

21:06

had a beautiful daughter and a husband that loved

21:08

her beyond measure . And he said

21:10

with all certainty my wife did

21:13

not kill herself . Adrian's

21:15

brother , mark , said when he heard the

21:17

awful news he just remembers thinking Sophie

21:20

, she would never . Andy

21:22

had three children from a previous marriage . Adrian

21:25

would often make jokes about the previous

21:27

marriage , saying who knew the man of my dreams

21:29

would be a divorced dad of three . But

21:33

Andy had three other children Sean

21:35

, emily and Kim . And Sean recalls

21:37

hearing the news of Adrian's death and just

21:39

needing to move in with his dad and take care

21:41

of Sophie , i literally in my

21:44

notes I was like I'm , you know , here's

21:46

the other kid , da-da-da-da-da . And then an arrow

21:48

to Sean's name What a great guy . So

21:52

all he wanted to do was to

21:54

make this awful time as bearable as he could

21:56

for this little girl whose mother would never get

21:58

to see her turn three . When

22:01

telling the little girl , andy had been advised

22:03

not to flower it up too much . At

22:05

her young age she could only understand straightforward

22:07

sentences , so he just

22:10

had to tell her Um , mummy died

22:12

, her body stopped working , she's not coming home

22:14

anymore .

22:15

Oh , my God .

22:16

He said that the little girl got up , walked over to

22:18

the window and just stared at the window . Well , she

22:20

repeated Mummy died . She's not coming back

22:22

.

22:22

Mm She's .

22:24

She would ask questions throughout the

22:26

years , but she's absolutely thriving

22:29

right now . And Andy did this thing when Sophie

22:31

and him would have conversations , he would

22:33

write them all down so that he

22:35

could look back on them and just reflect on the things that she

22:37

asked and what he said and how appropriate his responses

22:40

were to her , and he kept this all

22:42

in a book so that he could talk to her about

22:44

it at some . And they're so close right now

22:46

. It's incredible . Oh good , but

22:48

Andy was not quiet about

22:50

what he believed was the truth And

22:53

homicide detective Jimmy Pitchion

22:55

was starting to believe him . Detective

22:58

Pitchion would call Andy into the station and

23:00

showed him a picture of the knot that was tied

23:02

in Adrian's hanging And he said to Andy

23:04

did your wife know how to tie a knot like this

23:07

? And Andy was irritated and upset and

23:09

he said no , do you know how to tie a knot like

23:11

that ?

23:13

I understand his irritability . Yeah , of course It's

23:15

funny .

23:16

He's like no fuck , look at that knot . And the detective

23:18

said no , i don't , it

23:21

was a very specific type of knot

23:23

. So in the meantime , andy

23:26

had hired Michael Badden , who

23:28

was a forensic pathologist , and had paid

23:30

him to perform a second autopsy on his wife . Andy

23:33

would later receive a call from Dr Badden and when

23:35

he answered the phone the doctor would say Andy

23:37

, she fought like an animal .

23:39

Holy shit .

23:41

He explained that Adrian had bruising all over the side of

23:44

her face , but mostly on her right side , and

23:46

she had defense wounds all over her hands . Like

23:48

how do you miss that ?

23:49

Yeah , yeah , really .

23:51

There was no way that Adrian had taken her own life . So

23:53

are they just like I don't know Hanging

23:55

, or like She's by herself , I guess .

23:58

It's just why even waste resources on

24:01

investigating a suicide , mm-hmm , right

24:03

. But I mean , come on , there's a

24:05

little Duke diligence .

24:06

Right . So detectives

24:08

would return to apartment 47 and

24:11

conduct a more thorough search , and

24:13

that was when they noticed a

24:15

perfectly formed footprint in what appeared

24:17

to be drywall dust on the lid of the toilet

24:19

bowl . Adrian was in socks

24:22

and her feet were way too small for

24:24

the print to be hers . Adrian was so tiny , she was so

24:26

cute and she was so

24:28

little . After comparing the print

24:30

to all of the people who were supposed to be at the scene

24:32

, it didn't match anybody . Well

24:35

, also , who's on top ?

24:36

of the toilet .

24:37

That's right .

24:40

Right . I step on my toilet all

24:42

the time That needs a leverage , like

24:44

a real big one coming out . Oh my God .

24:49

You know we're a high-class podcast , matt .

24:51

Oh , that's right , my bad I think we talk about

24:53

.

24:54

Actually , you know what ? I'm not even gonna put a stop to it . I love Potty

24:56

Hammer . It's one of my weaknesses .

24:57

You're so immature . My apologies everybody

24:59

.

25:01

We need to get on the same page for what we're gonna

25:03

. Be better Lynn , be better I'll be

25:05

better . So after

25:08

going to the building manager , detectives found

25:10

out that directly below Adrian's apartment

25:12

was a vacant apartment that

25:14

was having renovations due to the previous

25:16

tenant having passed away in it .

25:19

Renovations , wondering

25:21

if maybe some drywall does

25:23

Oh .

25:25

I'm sorry , I didn't realize you

25:28

were a detective . Oh , you know . So

25:32

when they went to look at the construction site , they

25:35

found the exact footprint on a piece of construction paper that

25:37

was laid down on the floor .

25:39

Let me just take a half-step back . Fade

25:41

away Kobe for three .

25:43

Three-pointer . See , I know basketball

25:46

.

25:46

There you go . How do ?

25:46

you . After

25:49

figuring out the construction crew that was working at

25:51

the apartment , they were able to narrow down the

25:53

footprint to 19-year-old

25:55

non-documented immigrant

25:57

from Ecuador , diego Pelco . I'm

26:00

only mentioning that he's non-documented , i'm

26:04

just being super judgy . Listen , i No

26:07

, it will come up .

26:08

It will come up . Live your best life .

26:11

I'm not here to judge anybody . His

26:13

is specifically . You need to know

26:15

about it . Okay .

26:16

There's a lot of policy going forward where any person

26:18

we mentioned .

26:19

I just start talking with like that We mentioned their status

26:21

, yeah , their gender what they identify

26:23

as They just start telling

26:25

all their business , it's everything . And

26:28

when they showed up at his house that he lived in the

26:30

basement of , he answered the door with

26:32

bright red scratches on his face And

26:35

in his possession were the Reebok

26:38

shoes that had made the print in

26:40

Adrian's bathroom . Detective

26:42

Irma Rivera Duffy conducted

26:45

the interview with Diego and she

26:47

said , as she questioned him , he had a prayer

26:49

card in his hand and that he was praying under

26:51

his breath . So she decided

26:53

to use this to her advantage , and she

26:55

asked him if he had any

26:57

children , to which he said no . She

27:00

asked if he had any nieces or nephews , and he said

27:02

he did . He had four . She asked him

27:04

to tell her their ages and

27:07

names , and when he got to his

27:09

two-year-old niece , who was named Tiffany , she

27:12

advised him that the lady who had died in the apartment

27:14

had a two-year-old daughter , and she said

27:16

to him that sometimes Karma has a way

27:18

of coming back , and if it can't get you , it'll

27:20

get the people that you love .

27:21

Oh my God , that is a

27:24

horribly fantastic

27:26

tactic for that detective And it

27:28

worked .

27:29

No shit . Instantly he hung his

27:31

head and when he came back up he

27:33

said I did it . The

27:36

first story that Diego would give would be that

27:38

they were working on the apartment below hers

27:40

and Adrian came down and began shouting at

27:42

them that they were being too loud . Diego

27:44

said that this made him mad and he started banging

27:47

on the ground and yelling at her . He

27:49

had a hammer and he was banging it on the ground and he was yelling at her . He

27:51

said that he shut the door of

27:53

the apartment in her face and she opened

27:55

it back up to slap him . He

27:58

said that he then followed her to her apartment and

28:00

when she turned around to yell at him , he pushed

28:02

her , causing her to hit her head and die . So

28:04

he would stage it to be a suicide . But

28:07

again evidence showed that it was neck compressions , not

28:10

a head injury , that killed Adrian . So

28:12

they would continue to press Diego until

28:14

he admitted that he spotted Adrian in

28:16

the elevator and , being that Adrian was

28:18

very petite and stature , not

28:21

in personality stature alone

28:23

. He thought that she would be

28:25

easy to rob . Not only was Diego

28:27

sending money back home to his parents and his

28:29

five siblings in Ecuador , but he

28:32

had a debt to the smugglers who got

28:34

him into the United States to the tune

28:36

of $13,500 that

28:38

he was still actively paying off , geez . So

28:41

he was also stealing from the homes

28:43

that he had been doing construction at . Figuring

28:46

Adrian would be an easy target , he slowly

28:48

slipped into her apartment behind her and

28:51

when she spotted him she grabbed the phone and was threatening

28:53

to call the police . And of course

28:55

Diego could not have that , as

28:57

he would be deported and he would lose everything . He

28:59

said that he grabbed Adrian by the neck while covering

29:01

her mouth with his hand . And he said

29:03

when he pulled his hand away , he saw that her lips were

29:05

blue and , assuming that she was dead , he

29:08

tied her to the shower rod with that particular

29:10

knot , because that was a very special type

29:12

of knot that he had learned back home in Ecuador when

29:14

tying the pigs after having them been slaughtered

29:17

.

29:20

Jesus .

29:21

Diego was charged with second degree murder

29:23

, but the district attorney would start to worry

29:26

that he could only be found guilty

29:28

of manslaughter because of the circumstances And

29:31

that would only put him away for a maximum of five

29:33

years .

29:33

What were the circumstances ?

29:35

Because it was kind of like a crime of passion . It

29:37

wasn't really like he didn't plan it or like

29:39

he didn't go in there with the intention to kill her . It wasn't

29:41

like it wasn't fully premeditated , no , and

29:43

he didn't even when he grabbed her , it was like he

29:45

didn't intend to kill her .

29:46

but Listen , i meant to choke

29:49

her . I didn't mean to choke her to death , i

29:51

was stealing and choking , but nowhere

29:53

I would never , no , I would

29:55

never .

29:56

You know that's hurtful that you would even think that . But

29:59

his defense team was also starting to worry

30:01

that he would get the second degree charges and that could put him away

30:03

for life . So the two sides ended

30:05

up agreeing to a term of 25 years with

30:07

no appeal and no parole . Andy

30:10

would say that at the time

30:12

, 25 years felt like forever And

30:14

as time went by , it just didn't seem fair . Adrienne

30:17

lost her life at 40 and Diego was going to be out

30:19

by the time he turned 45 . Wow , Like

30:22

I had mentioned earlier , Andy made a documentary

30:24

about his wife . He would interview the people who

30:26

loved her and people who worked with her . He

30:29

would talk to their daughter about her . I watched the entire thing and

30:31

it was absolutely the most beautiful documentary

30:33

I've ever watched . It was heartbreaking , though

30:35

Her husband thought that

30:38

she was everything And he's

30:40

still madly in love with her . He

30:43

says all that love that he felt

30:45

back in 2006 just didn't disappear

30:47

. He said it just froze Like if anything

30:49

. It's just as strong because It's just preserved . Yes

30:52

, exactly , he says he misses her every

30:54

single day . And in 2019

30:56

, when Adrienne had been gone for 13 years

30:59

, andy finally got the nerve to go into the prison

31:01

and meet with Diego .

31:02

Oh my God , happy to even

31:04

. Well , i guess we'll find out .

31:06

He said that he wanted to know exactly what happened

31:08

And he also wanted to tell Diego

31:10

who he took that day . But

31:13

you can see the anxiety on

31:15

him as he's getting into the prison yard And

31:18

he says like he was kind of worried that it was going

31:20

to go sideways . He said it

31:22

would be funny if everything I just said goes out the window

31:24

and I fly into some fucking rage and have to be carted

31:26

out And that's the end of the interview . But

31:30

he is able to sit down with Diego . Diego

31:32

does not make eye contact . He hangs his head the entire

31:35

time And as soon as Andy sits down

31:37

he's just staring at him And Diego

31:39

just starts crying and he says I'm sorry .

31:42

So there's remorse , he does feel , he looks

31:44

devastating .

31:45

Yeah , But who knows You know what

31:47

? I'm not True . Yeah , you're right , I'm

31:49

not here to defend a murderer . He did , if

31:52

I you know , based on my absolutely

31:54

no education , humans the

31:56

way they interact .

31:57

You can do a pathology and all that , but he does look very

31:59

, very upset .

32:00

He asked Diego what happened that day . Diego

32:03

tells him , with the help of a translator

32:05

, the story that I told you above the second version

32:07

, of course . He also said

32:09

that when Adrian started yelling at him , the only

32:11

word that he understood was police And

32:13

his mother had put up her home in order to pay

32:15

the smugglers the $13,500 to

32:18

give him the opportunity to come to the States

32:20

. And Andy very calmly

32:23

shows him some pictures of who he took . This is where

32:25

I started to cry . This is where they lost me . He

32:27

says he took a wife and he shows him the picture

32:29

of him and Adrian . He says he took a mother

32:32

. He shows like a couple of pictures of Adrian

32:34

, just like hugging and kissing Sophie . He

32:36

shows Diego Sophie's third

32:38

birthday , which was her first birthday that she

32:40

had without a mom . He told

32:42

him that her mom wouldn't be there when she first

32:45

rode a bike , she wouldn't be there for

32:47

the first day of school , she would never

32:49

get to see Sophie play soccer and that she was a terrific

32:51

soccer player . These were all things

32:53

that he took . Diego just hangs

32:56

his head and Andy says , okay , i'm done . And

32:58

they come and take Diego , like you kind of feel like he's

33:01

gonna say I forgive you , yeah , and then

33:03

he's like I'm done , get him out of here .

33:05

I don't even want to look at me . This is what I wanted .

33:06

I wanted him to know that's

33:09

tough and That

33:11

was that you were almost expecting Andy to

33:13

say he forgave him . But Diego

33:15

Pilko will be released from prison on November

33:17

4th of 2031 and

33:19

he will be immediately deported back to Ecuador

33:21

. Sadly , adrian Shelley

33:23

was not able to be here with her loving husband and able

33:25

to share all of her daughters first , but

33:28

she would not get to see what a huge

33:30

success waitress was . On August

33:33

19th 2015 , waitress

33:35

became a musical , basically

33:38

the day and did . Yeah , and it would premiere on Broadway

33:40

. And Sarah Barales

33:42

you know who ? that is right , yeah , i

33:45

. Love

33:50

that song and

33:52

, but she would actually come on

33:54

to be the lead of the movie and she wrote all the music

33:57

for the movie . And Yeah

33:59

, the music nice she sings yep so

34:01

.

34:02

They end up getting accepted into the

34:04

oh yeah , yeah , huge

34:07

it is one tons of awards and There's

34:09

still , to this day , right now , casting for

34:12

the Broadway musical unbelievable

34:14

2015 to 2023

34:17

.

34:17

We're still getting it , so Didn't even

34:19

get to see that .

34:20

But That's so

34:22

, i mean it , just so

34:24

Translates . I mean all , all

34:26

murder and like what , what now

34:29

?

34:29

your mom's never gonna get her money back . You're going back

34:31

to Ecuador with like yeah

34:33

you know what I mean . Like you ruin

34:35

this family and in turn , i'm sure , ruins your

34:37

own family 100% , and

34:40

you know these .

34:41

I think they're called coyotes . Oh

34:43

, that's more of a Mexico into the

34:45

States thing maybe . Maybe it's different

34:47

from coming up from Ecuador , but

34:49

I know that the smugglers are coyotes

34:51

and they just to be perfect , last

34:53

by the balls .

34:54

I didn't know that that was the thing .

34:57

Yeah , you hire these people and they say

34:59

, listen , i get you across the border , no problem , but

35:01

it's all run by like gangs and

35:03

stuff , right . So of course , so what ?

35:05

now ? he's gonna go back there and there's probably

35:07

some like Version of them

35:09

still around that they're owed this debt . You

35:12

know what I mean . Like I don't know . I don't know how that all works

35:14

, but all I know is that this wonderful

35:17

person was taken and

35:19

then he didn't do himself any favors Like

35:21

it's not like killing Adrian , you

35:23

know , gave him a get out of jail

35:25

for a card , No , no .

35:27

So almost like the you know the

35:29

worst possible thing that he could have happened , and

35:31

he was set up to fail Like

35:33

there's no way of , when you've got

35:35

that crippling debt and you're undocumented . First

35:38

of all , when you're undocumented , the number of jobs

35:40

is very narrow . It's not like we

35:42

can just go to the Resources

35:44

of the government right , right , no social

35:47

services My sin card . Here's my finally

35:49

a job . I need to work . They don't get that

35:51

luxury , so you're looking for under

35:54

the table jobs to begin with yeah , and

35:56

now you're stealing and for what it's worth

35:58

.

35:58

His boss did say that he was a fantastic

36:00

worker And he was very respectful and like

36:03

quiet and yeah , well

36:05

, I mean ten .

36:06

I just got the thirty thousand dollar debt .

36:08

Yeah , so that's the tragic

36:10

story of Asian jelly around yes

36:12

, but I have a really good Survivor

36:15

story coming up for you on the patreon Oh

36:17

very nice if you guys want to hear that

36:19

? join us . Okay , but for now

36:21

,