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2:06

raise your hand in answer to the next

2:08

question. So if

2:10

the election was held tomorrow, how

2:13

many of you would vote for President

2:15

Joe Biden? How

2:21

many of you would vote for RFK Jr.? How

2:27

many of you would vote for Donald Trump? We're

2:34

pretty evenly divided here. Are

2:37

any of you considering not voting? No.

2:41

No. No. It's

2:44

too important. It's too important. This

2:46

is a very critical election

2:49

this year. It really is. Lydia,

2:52

explain that. Why do you think it is

2:54

critical? It is critical

2:56

because of the state of our nation. There's

3:00

so much going on, border

3:03

security infiltration

3:07

by people

3:09

that could cause extreme harm

3:12

to our country, the economy,

3:16

and the weakness of our current

3:18

administration on the national

3:21

stage. What do you mean by

3:23

infiltration? Because

3:25

of our open borders, I feel

3:27

very strongly that there have been

3:30

people coming in because nobody's

3:32

being vetted. Nobody's asking

3:34

questions. And I think we

3:37

are being infiltrated by

3:41

people that could cause another dying in the

3:43

11 very honestly. A large

3:45

number of military-age men, 18 to 35. Margaret,

3:55

I know your husband's marine. I'm

3:57

a marine. You

4:01

know, he probably still has

4:03

friends at the Pentagon. They,

4:09

we see this. We

4:12

see these numbers. Illegals

4:15

crossing the border and we're not

4:18

talking about Central and South America.

4:21

We're seeing Haitians, we're seeing

4:23

Chinese, we're seeing Central

4:27

Africans. You

4:30

know, we're seeing Arab

4:33

nation immigrants come across or

4:35

not immigrants, but illegal immigrants

4:37

come across. So this.

4:41

It's it looks like an invasion of some

4:44

sort. And why

4:46

do you think because

4:49

you're touching on a few things there.

4:52

There is I think both parties

4:54

recognize a broken immigration system.

4:58

There is a concern about a

5:01

terror threat. But you're

5:03

talking about this as if it is

5:05

a choice to allow

5:07

for these risks. Why

5:10

do you think that that

5:12

is a choice versus a

5:14

tough situation America finds itself

5:16

in? I'll

5:19

jump in here. I'm sorry. You

5:22

want to go ahead. I want I want you to

5:24

clarify how do you mean a choice. Well,

5:27

I think you both were characterizing that

5:29

as a reason for selecting your candidate

5:32

for president. OK, OK, I understand. Go

5:34

ahead. So that's

5:36

OK. Because

5:40

day one, that

5:42

president, current President Biden was elected.

5:46

He immediately, by the stroke of

5:48

a pen, undid

5:51

everything that President Trump had done in

5:53

closing the border. We had security at

5:55

the border. We

5:58

were vetting the people that wanted to. to

6:00

come in. And with

6:02

the stroke of a pen, day one,

6:04

he opened the

6:07

border, he opened the doors without

6:10

any vetting process. So it

6:12

was his choice. He has to

6:15

take responsibility for that. He and

6:17

his administration. You do

6:19

know that there is vetting that border officials

6:21

do when they know they

6:24

counter someone. They do.

6:26

I've been to the federal facilities

6:28

when someone is detained when they

6:30

are captured, when they cross illegally.

6:32

They are taken into federal custody

6:34

and those agents do vet people.

6:37

The success of that vetting may

6:39

be in question, the efficacy of

6:41

it, but they are. If someone

6:43

sneaks in undetected, then they're definitely

6:45

not vetted. But

6:47

there's a difference there.

6:50

There's a high number of people

6:52

that are coming in, sneaking in. I mean,

6:55

it's a long border and it's a lot of farmland,

6:57

ranch land, whatever. It's

7:00

relatively easy for the people that would have

7:02

a potential cause to do harm or they

7:05

will do it to take that route rather

7:07

than stop at the front door and ask

7:09

for permission. Right. And

7:11

so. And we've taken measures to disable

7:14

or to not prevent that in some

7:16

aspects, which is frustrating. Okay.

7:18

And is that a motivating issue for you in

7:20

this election as well? Not

7:22

a single driver, but it's one

7:24

of many. Right. And

7:27

have you heard from

7:29

either candidate, like a

7:31

specific vision on how

7:34

to fix the issue you see with the

7:36

border? I've

7:39

heard from Donald Trump that

7:41

he wants to shoot people on when

7:44

they cross. That's what I've heard. I've

7:47

not heard that at all. I heard him say

7:49

it. I saw it. So I'm saying,

7:52

well, I also have not heard him say it. Sir, go

7:56

ahead. I apologize. I

7:58

don't need a body. It's a question. It

8:00

truly is. But what

8:02

is the solution? If we all can't get

8:04

together and decide on a solution to the problem,

8:06

how are we gonna solve the problem? Because

8:09

I agree with that. Five or 10,000 people

8:11

coming across the borders every day and

8:14

the Democrats and Republicans can't agree on a

8:16

solution, then what do we do? What's

8:19

the solution? Sorry,

8:21

go ahead there, Jeremy. I see you raising your hand. You

8:23

can jump in. Well, two

8:26

things. Just to dispel a

8:28

myth. If you look

8:30

at statistically the number of crimes

8:32

committed in the United States,

8:34

the highest, much higher number

8:36

by native white citizens. That

8:39

is a fact. The second

8:41

thing is that the number of

8:43

illegal crossings has remained

8:45

roughly the same. I have driven past

8:47

the border, Arizona, California,

8:53

New Mexico many times. And

8:55

you can't drive a mile or a

8:57

mile and a half without

9:00

seeing a border patrol vehicle agent.

9:03

There are people there, they're

9:05

doing their job. So

9:07

that's another myth that just, even

9:10

personal observation confirms that

9:14

it's not like open borders. And

9:17

lastly, I'll throw in the

9:19

fact that there was legislation

9:21

in Congress, bipartisan,

9:25

but it was blocked by Republicans. Why?

9:29

A lot of people say it was an

9:31

election stunt. So now they have another boogeyman

9:34

to point fingers at

9:36

for their own candidate. There

9:38

was, and that happened like 15 years

9:40

ago. Same thing in

9:42

Congress when Obama was president, it

9:45

was blocked by Republicans. So

9:48

they say they wanna fix the border. What

9:50

does that mean? They

9:53

have no idea. And I don't think

9:55

anybody would argue that this hasn't been

9:57

an ongoing problem for decades.

10:00

years. But honestly, I don't

10:02

think a rational person would say it

10:04

hasn't gotten worse in the

10:06

last several years by the messaging that's put

10:08

out by policymakers here.

10:11

D word there is messaging. If

10:14

you want to make something into a

10:16

problem, you can make it a problem.

10:18

You can rally your troops behind it.

10:20

And that's exactly what Republicans have been

10:22

doing. I see it my state all

10:24

the time. Jeremy, you're in

10:26

Arizona, you are in a border state.

10:28

So you sound tell me what

10:32

people you talk to in Arizona are

10:34

thinking. What are your friends thinking when

10:36

they rank sort of issues of most

10:38

importance for them? How high does the

10:41

border rank? It's very low. I

10:44

mean, there are other concerns that have been

10:46

mentioned already that are much higher. It seems

10:50

just not a big deal. Overall,

10:54

volume wise, there is a

10:56

hemisphere wide migration crisis. So

10:59

this is a

11:01

problem in terms of

11:03

just numbers, of course. But let's take

11:05

a step back. How many

11:08

of you plan to watch the presidential

11:10

debate on Thursday? Raise your hand if

11:12

you're going to watch. Oh,

11:16

Jeremy, you're not watching. But

11:19

you got to unmute. I watched

11:21

the highlights. You

11:25

watch the highlights. Okay, where will you watch

11:28

those highlights? You

11:30

know, it depends on the network.

11:32

evening news is always good. YouTube

11:36

videos, I'm sure there'll be plenty of

11:38

that. So yeah,

11:40

just whatever and whatever is

11:42

available. I wonder, all

11:46

of you are watching that shows you

11:48

are interested in what

11:50

may be discussed. Do any

11:52

of you feel like you could

11:54

be persuaded by these

11:57

candidates to vote for

11:59

the other one? Like if Donald Trump

12:01

says something really compelling, would you switch from

12:03

Joe Biden or vice versa? I

12:06

would fall over if he said anything worth

12:09

listening to. Well,

12:11

Trump already said he wanted to be a dictator. That was

12:13

enough for me. Exactly. Well,

12:16

I don't think you can take any of

12:18

their words literally anymore. It's mostly political theater

12:21

and comedy. Yeah. So there's

12:23

some entertainment value there to be had. Yeah.

12:27

That is indeed for sure. So

12:30

Donald Trump means it when he says he wants

12:33

to be a dictator. He means

12:35

it. I know he won't revenge

12:37

as well. He wants everyone to

12:39

do exactly what he says. He wants to

12:41

put everyone in an office that will do

12:43

whatever he says. He wants to get rid

12:46

of tons of people that will stop

12:48

him from being a dictator. He

12:50

said it a bunch of times.

12:53

And he also said he wanted to change the constitutional

12:56

way with the Constitution. Yes. And

12:59

again, that's it's it's a fallacy

13:01

to even believe that he could do that. Well,

13:03

no, the president can't do that. So he's yes.

13:05

I'm trying to figure out. I'm

13:07

seriously trying to figure out when did Donald

13:09

Trump say he was going to do away

13:12

with the Constitution and when did

13:14

he say he was going to be a dictator? Oh,

13:17

he said it. I mean, seriously, the

13:19

dictator thing he said at a

13:21

rally, he said he was going to be a dictator

13:23

on day one on a news show when

13:26

he was being interviewed. I

13:29

mean, the clip was that was that.

13:32

In context, or are you taking that

13:34

out of context? It was on the

13:36

news. The

13:39

world, which channel, which channel? I think that

13:41

was taken out of context. I'll tell you

13:43

that I was thinking that was taking

13:45

the context. That's

13:48

like Joe Biden on stage when he

13:50

thought it was a he thought he

13:52

could sit down and everyone is thinking

13:54

that he was using

13:57

the bathroom in his pants. I

14:00

think this is a problem. I

14:02

may not love Joe Biden, but he was

14:05

actually thinking that he could sit

14:07

down when the rest

14:09

of the world thought he was doing

14:12

something in his pants. So Philip, you.

14:14

He did my benefit of the doubt.

14:17

Philip, you are in North Carolina.

14:19

You lean Republican. It

14:21

sounds like. No, I'm actually an independent

14:23

and a moderate. OK.

14:26

It sounds like you consume

14:29

a lot of social media. Do you

14:31

follow Donald Trump? Because

14:33

the first time he said he would be a dictator,

14:36

he said it would just be for a bit

14:38

of time. It was on social media.

14:40

And when he mentioned suspending the Constitution,

14:42

it was on social media as well.

14:45

He's joked about it since, but he has made

14:48

the comment. OK. I

14:51

have missed that. I'm

14:54

a firm believer that Donald Trump's social

14:56

media account should be

14:59

canceled. If anything, that's

15:01

the one thing that needs to be

15:03

taken away from that man. That's

15:06

probably why I

15:08

really want to vote for

15:10

him the second time. I've

15:13

said it. If he would take a sledgehammer

15:15

to his phone, he

15:18

would probably win something by a

15:20

landslide to show that he's going to walk away from

15:22

that platform. Everybody

15:24

can admit he's a blowhard. He's got an

15:27

ego. He's

15:29

not necessarily somebody that any of us maybe want to hang

15:31

out or have dinner with. I'm

15:33

a kid from the 80s and from the South. So

15:37

I remember watching him show up

15:40

in professional wrestling and

15:44

seeing the megalomaniac, the

15:46

con. OK.

15:51

So seeing him as

15:53

a politician, especially the

15:56

first go-round, was kind of

15:58

like really? Donald

16:02

Trump. Yeah,

16:04

no, Phillip, just because you

16:08

raised that question of context, I always appreciate

16:10

that. The quote

16:12

about terminating

16:14

the Constitution was

16:16

on social media and Donald Trump said, do

16:19

you throw the presidential election results out for

16:21

2020 and declare the rightful winner

16:23

or do you have a new election? A

16:25

massive fraud of this type and magnitude allows

16:28

for the termination of all rules, regulations and

16:30

articles, even those found

16:32

in the Constitution. It

16:34

was a statement on truth social and some

16:36

Republicans didn't like that he said that. No,

16:40

I'm a firm, like I

16:42

said, I'm a Marine, I'm

16:44

the Constitution and I'm a

16:46

firm believer in the Constitution.

16:51

I may disagree with several people

16:53

on this panel, but

16:57

we all have the amendment right

16:59

to say what we feel as

17:02

long as we're not

17:05

inciting violence. Yes,

17:07

that's not inciting

17:10

violence. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

17:12

So Philip, Philip, you also take a vow

17:14

to the Constitution when you are president of

17:16

the United States. Exactly, you do.

17:20

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17:22

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17:26

don't agree with that. But I mean,

17:31

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19:37

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19:42

if I can jump in here,

19:44

look, your statement about Trump loving

19:46

Putin, it's a show. He

19:49

is from New York. He

19:51

is a showman. He's been on TV. He

19:54

knows how to tweak

19:57

things, if you want to call it that. Um,

20:01

you know, he, but he still, I

20:03

think, I feel he does

20:06

love our, our country and he

20:08

wants to do what's best for

20:10

it. He may be blowhard. He may

20:13

say things, but in, in

20:15

the end, he knows

20:17

how good this country has been to

20:19

him in making him a success. So

20:23

the things that he says,

20:25

we basically listen

20:27

with one ear, goes in one ear, goes

20:29

out the other and you try to go

20:31

through the weeds to find out what really

20:34

is going on. Lydia, that's

20:36

so interesting. That's so interesting you say

20:38

that, that you, you put

20:40

aside what he says. Um,

20:45

do you have kids? Yes.

20:49

I have two sons who are in the airport. And

20:51

by the way, thank you so much for your service,

20:53

sir. That's much appreciated in

20:55

all that you've done to protect our great country.

20:57

And that's, that's the bottom line. We want our

21:00

country to be great again, you know,

21:02

right now it's not. Um,

21:05

and Lydia, we're a laughingstock on the

21:07

world stage. I'm sorry. No,

21:10

no, Lydia, thank you for your son's service.

21:12

Um, but I just, it's sort of the

21:14

opposite of how you parent, right? Like

21:16

you probably don't tell your boys, say whatever. You

21:19

probably, you probably held them to account when

21:21

they said something that they should again. He,

21:25

he had to be a showman.

21:27

So that doesn't make it right. No, I don't

21:29

agree with that at all. However,

21:33

we've had four years with him. A

21:36

lot of us liked, you know,

21:38

what he did for our country, but that

21:40

doesn't mean we liked the things he said

21:43

or how he sometimes

21:45

acted. So it's about,

21:48

well, I will, I do want to

21:50

do for us. You, you, well, he

21:53

kept us out of wars and was

21:55

getting us out of Afghanistan the correct

21:57

way. Um, where.

22:00

the current administration got

22:02

us out and killed

22:05

and had several Marines killed

22:07

because they did it the

22:09

wrong way. Did we

22:11

start the war in Ukraine? Did

22:13

we start the war in Israel? No, we did not.

22:16

Actually, we're escalating the war

22:18

in Ukraine. The Hamas started

22:20

the war in Israel. We

22:24

did not start these wars. You cannot pull

22:26

on Biden. The

22:28

US is not part of those wars, is

22:30

what I think you are saying, Marlene, right?

22:32

That the United States is not fighting in

22:34

those wars, which is different than... Right. We

22:37

didn't start the wars. Technically,

22:39

we're not supposed to

22:41

be boots on the

22:43

ground in Ukraine,

22:46

but we're giving Ukraine military

22:49

aid. We

22:51

should not. We

22:55

should let Putin take over. We should be giving them food.

22:58

We should be giving them humanitarian aid

23:00

and let them fight their own war. They're

23:03

not part of NATO. We

23:05

should back our NATO allies and

23:08

let Ukraine fight their own war. Trump is

23:10

supposed to get rid of NATO. Hey, Philip,

23:13

did you know that the first person to

23:15

surge lethal aid to Ukraine was 2017? It

23:18

was the Trump administration. I understand that.

23:20

I don't move with it. So

23:23

he did it back then. If

23:28

Donald Trump says now that he will continue

23:30

aid to Ukraine, as some of his advisors

23:32

are saying, is that going

23:34

to make you withdraw your support for him? No.

23:39

And why? Because

23:41

inflation. Huge

23:43

part is inflation. Sorry,

23:46

back it up. A

23:48

huge part of why you were voting for Trump is economics

23:50

and inflation. Okay.

23:56

So raise your hand if any of you feel that you

23:58

are a part of this. better off

24:00

today than you were four years ago. Probably

24:05

the same. You

24:08

feel you feel the same. I see you there

24:10

with your hand up. Jeremy,

24:13

you want to weigh in? Yeah,

24:16

one of the things that people

24:18

often forget is that

24:21

American consumer spending has

24:24

been rising, even in relation to

24:27

inflation. Wages have

24:29

been soaring high along

24:32

with it. Some say that might have caused

24:34

part of the inflation problem. If

24:37

you get 20 economists in the same room,

24:39

you'll get 30 different answers. So

24:42

the two are definitely related. I raised

24:44

my hand about being better off four

24:47

years ago because my employer has given

24:50

significant raises across the board

24:52

to everyone. And I guess

24:55

I don't buy the kinds of things with the

24:57

inflationary prices. I mean, if I pay an extra

25:00

20 cents a pound for asparagus,

25:03

I think I'll live. So it

25:05

just depends on individual circumstances.

25:08

Yeah, because today this economy, anybody

25:11

that wants a job can get

25:13

one. And that's a fact. Anybody

25:15

that wants to work can get a job now.

25:19

I saw a Circle K convenience store

25:21

a couple of years ago, just

25:24

a convenience store, $500 signing bonus. So

25:27

that's they would just give you the money if

25:29

you're higher, no experience needed.

25:32

So yeah, I agree with your opinion.

25:35

So I'm just going to give you an example. And

25:39

this is Walmart. I don't know if

25:41

you two shop at Walmart or Macy's

25:43

or wherever. Just

25:48

an example, a month ago, went in, bought

25:51

paper plates. Okay. Stack

25:56

of 50, 398. Okay. Here

25:58

in the United States. North

26:00

Carolina this month 598. Okay.

26:06

Big price jump. Okay.

26:10

Gas. All

26:12

right. Normally. Well,

26:16

I would say a month ago, thank

26:18

goodness I worked from home. So I only

26:20

have to fill up my car, you know,

26:23

once a month or

26:25

once every six weeks. Um,

26:28

three 14 a month ago, three

26:30

44. Okay.

26:37

Well, it's going down here. I'm

26:39

going to. Walmart

26:42

thing because I shop at Walmart and

26:45

I think that is more of a corporation

26:47

greed thing because I actually

26:49

shop in my grocery shopping and the

26:51

prices on certain things I know exactly

26:54

what the price is and it'll go

26:56

up 50 cents

26:58

one week. Then a couple of weeks later, it'll

27:00

go up 50 cents again. And I really think

27:02

that's a corporation greed thing. I

27:05

don't think it's all about inflation. Well,

27:08

a lot of those retailers and

27:11

a lot of those retailers two weeks later,

27:13

they'll put those paper plates on sale for

27:16

your 98 and they'll say, Oh, you're

27:18

saving money. Price drop. Yep. So

27:21

the economy sounds like whether it's jobs for

27:23

some of you or inflation for others, that

27:26

that is top of mind. Um,

27:28

I wonder, raise your

27:30

hand if any of you think

27:33

about, for example, the

27:35

state of our democracy, does that

27:37

concern you? And is that a

27:39

reason that you would? Wow. You

27:43

are jumping right at it, Marlene. That I

27:45

didn't finish the sentence. What's going on?

27:49

Donald Trump does not want

27:53

what's good for America. He does not want

27:55

democracy. He wants to have everything his

27:58

way. He wants to play the ball. people

28:00

in power that will do whatever he says

28:02

this time, because the last time he didn't

28:04

do that, he had people that were

28:06

pushing against him for the things he wanted to do.

28:08

But this time, he's going and he

28:11

said he's going to put people in there that are

28:13

going to listen to him and do what he says.

28:15

That means in the Justice Department, if

28:18

he wants so and so

28:20

to be in the Justice Department, because they're

28:22

going to do whatever he says, that he's

28:24

going to go after all of his political

28:27

opponents, even if they haven't done anything wrong,

28:29

he's going to have complete control. And that's

28:31

what he wants. Well,

28:34

I think he wants to just this part, Mcgone

28:36

too. Lydia, you're raising

28:38

your hand. Yes. So

28:41

the same can be said about President

28:44

Biden. He is

28:46

he has forced the EVs on

28:48

us. Nobody wants to buy

28:50

EVs. Our electrical

28:52

grid is not built to

28:54

support it. Yet he's forcing

28:57

he forced all the car manufacturers to

28:59

to convert to EVs. And now they've,

29:01

they did it because they had no

29:03

choice. They were going to be penalized

29:06

if they didn't. And now they're finally

29:08

pushing back and saying no, there's

29:10

there's no sales for these vehicles,

29:13

you know, Tesla somehow is

29:15

making it. I don't know how, but they

29:17

are. And then, you know,

29:20

he's he's struck all

29:23

the drilling that we could be

29:25

doing to be an independent nation

29:27

for fuel. So our gas

29:29

prices will not have to be rising the

29:31

way they are. And he struck all that

29:33

down. So, you know,

29:35

tit for tat. Lydia,

29:38

do you think somebody's making you buy a car? Yeah,

29:41

I'm I'm not buying an EV by 2030. He made it mandatory.

29:49

No, Americans will not be Americans won't

29:51

be required to drive electric vehicles. The

29:53

car manufacturers, there was a goal set

29:57

for the transition to

29:59

happen. but Americans won't

30:01

be required and car manufacturers

30:04

will still make combustion engines too. However,

30:06

they might not be. The problem is

30:09

the infrastructure is not there.

30:11

Right. Exactly. And won't be because

30:17

the American infrastructure plan took

30:20

how many billions of dollars? 760

30:23

some, I forget the exact amount.

30:31

And they've added eight

30:36

stations across the

30:38

country that are. Right. Charging

30:40

stations. Charging

30:42

stations, excuse me. Tesla

30:45

has done this on their own. Right.

30:47

It's been a billion dollars and

30:50

added several hundred. Okay.

30:53

I have a Starbucks just down the

30:55

street for me that Tesla just went

30:57

in and put six stations

31:00

in front. Yeah. So, but I'm not

31:02

saying that they're going to make us

31:04

buy an EV, but they're going to

31:06

make it difficult for us to get

31:09

the type of vehicle we want because

31:11

of his mandate. So choices.

31:17

Thank you. Thank you. That's exactly what the

31:19

case is. If

31:22

they want us to buy EVs,

31:24

let E.L.A. let Elon

31:26

Musk and Ford and

31:28

Chevy come out with a proposal

31:31

on their own. You

31:33

know, let everybody do what

31:35

they want to do. Make their

31:38

own choices, not be shoved

31:40

down their throats. But I

31:43

do want to, I do want to make

31:45

one correction. We're not a democracy. Now,

31:47

I know that. We are not a democracy right now.

31:49

We are not a democracy.

31:51

We are in a democracy.

31:54

We are a democratic republic.

31:57

It is in our documents, a

31:59

democratic republic. Democratic Republic. We

32:01

practice democracy one

32:03

day a year and that's when we

32:06

all go vote. That's

32:08

our democracy. One man

32:10

or woman, one vote.

32:13

Okay. And then what we

32:15

do is we elect our

32:18

representatives. That makes us

32:20

a republic. And then what we

32:22

do, what they do is they

32:24

go to Washington or they go

32:27

to Raleigh

32:29

for me or they go to whatever

32:32

your state capital is. And that's where

32:34

they make the laws.

32:36

We elect them to make the

32:39

laws. That makes us a republic.

32:42

Therefore, and when we say the pledge

32:44

of allegiance, what do we do to

32:47

the republic for which it

32:49

stands? Therefore, the United

32:51

States of America is

32:54

not a democracy. Democracy is

32:56

my rule. It

32:59

didn't work in Athens. It

33:01

didn't work for the Greeks.

33:04

It doesn't work here. Okay.

33:07

Dictatorship doesn't either.

33:09

I'm sorry. And

33:11

neither does a dictatorship. Exactly.

33:13

And neither does a dictatorship. It didn't

33:15

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33:17

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hands, does everyone here then, regardless

34:54

of what word you use, does

34:59

everyone here trust their state

35:01

government to fairly

35:03

and safely administer the

35:06

upcoming presidential election? I

35:09

do. Okay.

35:14

That appears a fairly partisan divide.

35:19

None of those who are that

35:22

the 2024 election will be

35:24

safely administered by your state

35:27

government? Lydia, you

35:29

do. I'm in Georgia. I

35:33

feel fairly confident. Oh, you do?

35:35

So Lydia, you believe the state

35:37

of Georgia will administer your election fairly?

35:40

Well, there's been a lot of changes

35:42

since the last election. So I feel-

35:45

You don't think they did in 2020? I-

35:47

50-50. We'll

35:50

leave it at that. And I too am from

35:52

Georgia and I agree. The

35:55

election is going to

35:57

be correct in Georgia. Mm-hmm. So-

36:00

But the changes that have been

36:02

made, I think will keep

36:04

it more secure. Let's

36:07

put it that way. So what

36:10

does that mean to you? What

36:12

does it mean to me? I

36:16

don't think things were

36:18

watched as carefully as they should have

36:20

been back then. So

36:24

possibly there were miscounts. I don't know.

36:28

I think there should have been

36:31

some forensic recounting done that weren't.

36:35

What is it? How

36:37

it turned out. No, I said however

36:39

it turned out, it turned out. So not

36:44

just the ballot counting, but deep

36:46

dive counting. So we'll

36:49

just leave it at that. I'm fairly

36:52

confident that it'll be done correctly this time.

36:56

I just think that the concerning thing

36:59

is that in most

37:01

areas, the population is split almost

37:03

so evenly. That it really

37:05

doesn't take a lot to tip the balance one

37:07

way or the other. And

37:09

I guess just here in

37:12

the state of Wisconsin, I don't

37:14

have 100% confidence that

37:17

in Dane County in Madison or

37:20

in Milwaukee where it matters, where

37:23

at 10 p.m. before you go to bed

37:26

on election night, it looks like one thing

37:28

and then magically ballots are found overnight. It

37:30

just doesn't give you that sense of confidence.

37:33

And how is it that the 60s

37:35

or 70s or the 80s, we were

37:37

much less technologically sound

37:40

as we are now. And we could figure

37:43

out who wins an election in a reasonable manner.

37:46

And people didn't have these same conversations

37:48

about distrust. And now where it should

37:50

be able to be quick,

37:53

accurate, locked down, some

37:55

manner of having the public have

37:57

some sense, you get instant communication.

38:00

And yet I think we feel worse now than

38:02

we have in decades at the election evening or

38:04

the night after Just

38:07

why is it that? Since

38:09

Donald Trump lost an election is the only

38:11

time that I've ever heard anybody Say

38:14

that the elections are rigged that they're not right

38:16

that they're not go back to the bush and

38:18

war you can't see Yeah

38:27

Say Donald Trump's been saying it she's been

38:29

saying it since 2016

38:31

that the election was stolen and he

38:34

was a legitimate president Yeah,

38:38

Hillary cried the blues It's

38:40

so come on Hillary

38:42

Clinton Hillary Clinton did talk

38:45

about foreign Influence

38:47

operations, but she accepted the

38:49

outcome of the 2020 election

38:53

She recognized that Donald Trump

38:55

won it Excuse me

38:58

Hillary Clinton. I just said the

39:00

wrong the wrong year Hillary Clinton

39:03

Recognized the outcome of the 2016 election

39:06

and that she lost it. She

39:09

said that she publicly acknowledged it

39:12

Have you ever heard Donald Trump?

39:14

Acknowledge that he lost the

39:16

2020 election Just The

39:20

point of fact that that popped into my head.

39:22

I remember reading a while ago Investigating

39:26

voter fraud in the 2020

39:28

election, I think it was Might

39:31

have heard it read it in the times

39:33

or something But anyway, I

39:35

think I think AP didn't investigation and they

39:37

found fewer than 500 possible

39:40

incidents of voter fraud and

39:44

It's I seem to remember it was almost split 50-50

39:48

either for Biden or the former

39:50

president, so In

39:54

that with the millions of votes even

39:56

if 500 were to shift the balance,

39:58

okay, maybe Florida year 2000.

40:02

Yeah, but it's

40:05

not there. It's another manufactured

40:07

issue by the Republicans. Now,

40:10

I thought there was a, and I'm

40:13

just saying, recently

40:15

a couple of Democrats that went to

40:17

jail, like in the past couple of

40:19

weeks, either in

40:21

Texas or New

40:24

Mexico or even Arizona, that

40:27

for ballot harvesting. I

40:31

haven't heard that. I missed that one

40:33

myself. No. Philip, Philip, where

40:37

do you get your news and information

40:39

about the candidates from? Where do you

40:41

turn? I usually check BBC, Al

40:44

Jazeera, You Guys, Play,

40:47

CNN, MSNBC. I'm

40:49

all over the place. I

40:52

don't get it from one spot because

40:56

why select one

40:58

when you can get different,

41:00

I mean, your

41:04

news agency may cover it one

41:06

way while another agency may cover

41:08

it a different way. Right.

41:10

And how do you find those news stories? Do you

41:12

go to each website or are you looking at a

41:15

social media feed? You go to different websites

41:17

or I use

41:21

a different program to pull them all

41:23

together. And

41:25

a news aggregator that pulls information

41:27

for you. Yes. Real

41:30

clear politics? That's

41:32

one. Yes. Yeah.

41:36

I guess that for a reason. So

41:41

that's interesting. So will

41:44

all of you stand by the 2024

41:47

election results? Show

41:49

of hands. And

41:52

do all of you expect

41:54

your preferred candidate to accept

41:57

the 2024 election results? Tony,

42:06

you were like, I don't know. Yeah, sure.

42:09

I can't speak for what someone's going to do. I

42:11

don't. I don't. Yeah. Well, he pretty much

42:13

already said he's not going to accept if he loses.

42:15

So it's gonna be a blood. Did

42:17

you hear that? He has not said

42:20

that. Where? Where

42:24

did you hear that? Where did you hear him say

42:26

that? I'm sure she's heard it too. I'm

42:29

sorry. You're talking over each other. Have

42:32

I heard Donald Trump say what exactly?

42:34

That he won't accept if he loses.

42:38

He has said things like I will accept

42:40

the results. I will win. You know, he

42:42

has made jokes about it. He

42:46

has already, as you have been talking

42:48

about, been casting doubts about an election

42:50

that hasn't even been held yet. So

42:54

there is certainly doubt

42:56

being sowed by the Republican candidate. That that is

42:58

true. But I want to go back to what

43:00

we'll try to I think I heard you try

43:02

to get a word in there. I heard

43:05

you say the word bloodbath. What were

43:07

you talking? That's what I

43:09

heard him say that if he didn't win, it's

43:11

going to be a bloodbath. Yeah,

43:14

he said. Where

43:16

did you where did you hear him say that? Well,

43:19

it was on the news. I can't remember what

43:21

challenge was. One of his rallies.

43:24

Oh, yeah, that's right. Because he was standing up

43:26

on the podium. Yeah.

43:29

Donald Trump at his rallies has used that

43:31

term. That was not

43:33

what it was about. No,

43:36

it wasn't. Again, it's taken

43:38

out of context. Well,

43:41

he's done it already. January 6. Exactly.

43:44

Yeah, true. Do

43:46

any of you approve of what

43:48

happened January 6 when Trump

43:51

supporters stormed the Capitol? No.

43:54

No. None of you do. Absolutely not.

43:57

But I don't think he was the cause of it either.

43:59

I think. I think it's, again, everything was

44:01

taken out of context. Always on the

44:03

side to go do that. Incitement

44:08

to violence. I'm

44:11

sorry, that was you out in

44:13

Arizona, Jeremy, incitement to violence? Yep.

44:17

I mean, one of the, remember the guy with

44:19

the horns storming the

44:21

Capitol? It's part of a

44:23

weird cultic tradition that he was doing

44:25

that. He was from Arizona. And

44:28

everyone said they were doing it for

44:31

their president who

44:33

wrongfully lost. So. So,

44:36

you're still. Right,

44:38

and you had a group of people. You're

44:40

talking about the few non-Shaman. You

44:42

had a group of people who acted out. Who's

44:44

shown, who's been shown to

44:47

be being led around by

44:49

film, okay? Being led

44:52

around by the police through the

44:54

Capitol. Okay,

44:57

in and out of the buildings through

45:00

the rooms. Not

45:06

being escorted by the police. I

45:08

missed that. Not causing

45:11

any problems inside. Sorry,

45:14

Phillip, what does that mean to you? Because you

45:16

just said you don't approve of what happened on

45:18

January 6th. I don't approve of the people

45:20

that busted through the

45:22

barricades. Okay, I

45:25

don't approve of people

45:28

breaking glass, climbing the

45:30

walls. Okay,

45:32

I don't agree with that. All

45:35

right, that's inciting, that's violent.

45:39

Violence. What about trying to stop

45:41

the certification of the election results? I don't

45:43

agree with that at all. That's

45:47

what our representative

45:49

senators are supposed to

45:51

be doing on that day. Okay,

45:56

constitutional. That's what they're

45:59

supposed to be. do it. Okay.

46:01

And Donald Trump told them to

46:03

go over there. Yes, Jeremy, they

46:05

said he did tell them to

46:07

go there and peacefully

46:11

protest. Not

46:13

what the January 6 committee

46:16

cut off. There

46:20

were many, them to go there. There

46:23

were many calls to come

46:25

to Washington DC to protest

46:28

and to rally and to go to the Capitol.

46:30

I think what you're referring to there is one

46:32

specific clip. National

46:35

guard when she was

46:38

asked to by the president, and

46:40

now there's proof that she

46:43

even knew that she was in the wrong for

46:45

not doing it. Tony,

46:49

you've been trying to get a word in. Right.

46:52

Without hearsay of what someone did or

46:54

what someone thinks they saw, all I

46:57

can say is that it's unfortunate that

46:59

a group of people who

47:01

felt frustrated, felt unheard,

47:04

whatever it was, wanted to show that something,

47:08

the message that we need to

47:10

change, we need something to happen. This group

47:12

isn't being listened to, whatever, but you get

47:14

a large group of impassioned people together. And

47:16

unfortunately a mob

47:19

activity occurred. Now,

47:21

unfortunately in the last several years, this

47:23

has happened commonplace across the country for

47:25

whatever reason. And buildings

47:28

have been burned, public things, property

47:30

has been destroyed. And yet some

47:34

of the people that were involved in January 6th

47:36

have been like hunted

47:38

down via any, whether it was social

47:40

media, the government was very

47:43

aggressive in trying to ascertain

47:46

who was there that we could prosecute. But

47:48

then just this week in

47:51

Manhattan, New York, they said, well, we're not going

47:53

to persecute any of these

47:55

anti-Israel protesters that were Columbia because we didn't

47:57

really know what they did. really

48:00

cause a problem so we just drop it all

48:02

and then go home and not worry about a

48:04

ticket or any kind

48:07

of a you know problem there and it's

48:09

just so pick and choose

48:11

but people know that people died that was

48:13

the capital though come on at

48:15

the Capitol police officers died one

48:21

Capitol police officer died in

48:23

relation to several

48:26

hospitalised one had brain trauma and

48:28

a couple killed theirself from what

48:30

they were through okay and

48:33

I do believe suicide is unfortunate okay

48:42

and that would bring you

48:44

to military suicide

48:46

happening every 24 minutes

48:51

unfortunately very true what

48:54

we do to protect citizens

48:56

all the time I've

48:59

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49:02

suicide due

49:06

to anyway I'll

49:09

skip that sorry

49:11

that's that's okay

49:13

okay well I think wants to pardon

49:15

these people right

49:18

it's elected some

49:21

of these people should be pardoned because

49:24

all the a grandmother for

49:28

for being there a reporter

49:33

who was there and and I

49:36

mean I'm just and

49:38

I'm Margaret I'm just going to use you

49:40

as an example if Margaret had walked in

49:42

with several other reporters

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okay and she's

49:48

using her phone to take recordings

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she's arrested for being on the

49:54

Capitol grounds but the

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I wanna move on, but just to be

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clear, people weren't arrested for being physically at

51:41

the Capitol, it was for what they were

51:44

doing while they were there. He was reporting.

51:47

Reporters did

51:50

report from the Capitol and we

51:52

benefited greatly from their coverage,

51:54

including some of my colleagues at CBS, but

51:56

I wanna ask you back to the broader

51:58

point of violence. that

52:01

was raised here. How many

52:03

of you are concerned about violence

52:05

in this country around the time

52:07

of the election? Raise your hand.

52:12

Who is it that

52:14

you are concerned about, Wilfredo? Well,

52:17

I'm concerned that if Donald Trump loses again,

52:19

he's not going to accept it and

52:22

he's gonna rally his troops once again. Because

52:25

I thought it was just atrocious that he wouldn't

52:28

even go and turn

52:30

the presidency over to Biden when he

52:32

lost. I mean, in history, I don't

52:34

think it was one president that

52:37

lost the election or that it

52:40

was time to turn over

52:42

power, didn't go and do the right thing. And

52:45

he's just so un-American to me. You

52:49

said around the election date,

52:51

Margaret, I'm concerned there has

52:53

been a lot of talk about different groups.

52:56

People say, watch over the elections. Well,

52:58

does that mean- I'm a scared off. Does

53:00

that mean amateurs with handguns, intimidating

53:03

voters, I mean, as they walk

53:05

into a polling place? I

53:08

wouldn't be in person voting for that. I'd

53:10

be afraid of my life. And

53:13

maybe they say, oh, you're carrying a

53:16

gun, go right in. I

53:18

mean, I believe that is a legitimate concern.

53:21

I'm worried about that too, because

53:23

they keep telling people, go stand outside

53:25

the polling places and make

53:28

sure they're not doing anything wrong. And

53:30

these are people with guns. They

53:33

did it last time. I don't know

53:35

how you can allow that. I certainly hope

53:37

that the police will be out in full force if

53:40

that occurs. If

53:43

I may ask, what do you mean by

53:45

they did that last time? When

53:48

they were going to the polling place. When they were going to the

53:50

race camp in Arizona, there were people out there with guns from

53:53

whatever group. I don't even remember the

53:55

group. But you didn't see

53:57

that Marlene, it was constant. Right. Did

54:01

you, was it on TV? Did you see that in

54:03

the news? It was on the news. I

54:10

just want to point out that you

54:12

noticed that none of the people that

54:14

were voting for Trump said anything about

54:17

violence because those

54:19

of us that

54:21

are Trump supporters that are moderate

54:25

or lean toward, we

54:27

don't subscribe to

54:29

that. It's usually the Democrats

54:32

that fall into that category. They're

54:35

the ones that support

54:37

people like Antifa, the

54:39

militant part of BLM. I

54:43

agree with BLM, the

54:45

movement. I

54:50

don't support the actual organization

54:52

itself, but I

54:54

support the movement. Okay. Well,

54:57

Tony, you did- No such

54:59

terrorist limitations. Tony,

55:03

you did raise earlier your

55:05

concern about violence in this

55:07

country, mob violence. You're

55:10

just not worried about political violence

55:12

or mob violence around the election? I

55:15

just think that anytime you get a large group

55:17

of people together, anything can happen. Whether

55:19

it's at a concert, a sporting event, look at

55:22

Kansas City Chiefs of awareness Super Bowl. Everybody

55:25

in a crowd gets hurt. It

55:28

happens. I don't see people

55:30

lining up at polling places to incite

55:32

violence. It just

55:34

doesn't happen. It doesn't happen around

55:36

here. I don't know anyone on the left to

55:38

be concerned because they all mail their ballots in early anyways. It's

55:41

everybody on the other side of the aisle. They're

55:43

all cheaters. They're all cheating. You

55:47

can say something like that. It's a joke. Donald Trump

55:50

can say it and you vilify him for it. Sorry.

55:54

Marlene, you were being sarcastic, I

55:56

think. Right? I'm

55:59

sorry. Tony. And I know that she was too. But

56:03

Tony, you raised something which is

56:05

important. Do all of you, when

56:08

I asked about whether you trust your

56:10

state to administer your election fairly, when

56:13

it comes to mail-in ballots, do

56:16

all of you trust that you

56:18

can vote safely and securely

56:20

through the mail? Raise

56:22

your hand. Yeah. Only

56:26

two of you trust that you can use

56:28

a mail-in ballot and that it'll be counted?

56:35

Tony, I'm confused. I

56:37

don't know what happens. The

56:40

mail gets lost. I mean, it's an imperfect way

56:42

to do it. And

56:45

technically, he can't. Donald Trump has now said

56:47

he wants people to use mail-in ballots. And

56:49

that's fine if he wants people to do

56:51

it. I don't believe we have the infrastructure

56:53

in place that people will follow the rule

56:55

as it's printed on your mail-in ballot to

56:57

ensure the correctness

56:59

of it being one person's

57:01

vote. It's

57:04

the same ballot that you see in the

57:06

polling place, exact same. Here

57:08

in Arizona, you have sign your name.

57:11

So they match it up with the

57:13

signature, just like they do

57:15

at the polling place. It's the same

57:17

cross-stance. The delivery mechanism is the same.

57:20

I can't think of the last time

57:22

where I have truly encountered a piece

57:24

of lost mail. The

57:27

United States Postal Service is

57:29

a quasi-governmental organization, and

57:31

they are charged with the responsibility

57:33

of delivering things. And say

57:36

a ballot gets lost. Well, what about

57:38

the other 50 million? I

57:42

mean, sure, it can

57:44

happen, but it's not going to affect

57:46

the world. Please.

57:48

So those votes don't matter. No,

57:51

I think vote matters. If you're

57:54

that concerned about the post office, go to

57:56

the polling place. I mean, I

57:58

don't believe I was talking about that. When

58:00

the postal service, one of our big post offices,

58:05

we're having a problem with it. So they

58:07

were talking about some ballots that didn't get in,

58:10

they were thinking we're gonna make it on

58:12

time. So that's my only concern, but I'm

58:14

from Georgia. So I don't really have a

58:16

problem going in to vote. Will

58:19

Dreda, I wanna come back to something

58:22

earlier. You raised your concern about the

58:24

term bloodbath and Trump saying that one

58:26

of my producers just emailed me when

58:29

the context to that was when

58:31

Trump used it, he was talking

58:34

about the auto industry and

58:36

electric vehicles. It would be a

58:38

bloodbath for the industry. And

58:40

then that was clearly a term that a lot

58:42

of people jumped on. But

58:46

you believe he meant something else entirely, if

58:48

that's clear. I wanna ask

58:51

you about another issue though. How

58:53

many of you here are concerned

58:56

about women's health reproductive

58:59

health or access to abortion

59:02

after this upcoming election? Are any

59:04

of you going to vote

59:06

on this as a key issue for you?

59:10

Nope. Nope, not me. Nope.

59:15

Go ahead, Marlene. You

59:17

are. All right. Well,

59:20

women's rights, everybody

59:24

should be able to decide what they wanna

59:26

do with their body, men and women. And

59:28

no woman should be told she has to have

59:31

a child she doesn't want or can't afford. Bottom

59:34

line. And

59:36

in terms of your state of Wisconsin, Marlene,

59:38

do you think that access

59:42

would change if Donald

59:44

Trump were president? He

59:46

couldn't change federal law without

59:49

Congress voting to do that.

59:52

So what exactly are you concerned

59:54

about? Unfortunately, in my state,

59:56

they already have a law against it because

59:59

we're Republican. run. You

1:00:01

have restrictions on abortion access.

1:00:03

Yes. So for

1:00:06

you, I want to make sure I'm understanding

1:00:08

you correctly. For

1:00:10

you in November, one of the

1:00:13

reasons you're voting for Joe Biden

1:00:15

is because you think if Biden

1:00:17

is reelected, that it would change

1:00:19

somehow what your state law is. I

1:00:23

think that the more Republicans that

1:00:25

you have, the more likely we

1:00:28

are to get a federal

1:00:30

mandate all across the

1:00:33

whole country that abortion will be illegal.

1:00:38

That's a nice process. Okay.

1:00:41

Because currently with Joe Biden as

1:00:43

president, he can't get

1:00:46

Congress to vote to protect

1:00:48

abortion. Those votes aren't there any

1:00:51

more so than a ban at this point. But

1:00:55

tell me why this is so motivating

1:00:57

for you in Arizona, Jeremy. I

1:01:00

know your state is one of the

1:01:02

few where the actual issue could

1:01:05

be on the ballot as

1:01:07

it affects your state. Yeah.

1:01:10

The state, Republican state

1:01:12

legislature instituted a law from

1:01:14

1864, a Civil War era law that

1:01:20

would outlaw all abortion. And

1:01:23

the Attorney General has suspended that.

1:01:25

And I know the legislature

1:01:27

was saying, oh, there's a backlash against

1:01:30

this, right? And that's how

1:01:32

the ballot measure got approved. I

1:01:34

point out that 1864, and I

1:01:36

laughed when I made this connection

1:01:38

in my head. Is

1:01:40

that the America we want to make great again?

1:01:44

If I could just say, I would agree

1:01:46

with Jeremy that some of these outdated laws

1:01:49

need to come off the books. Okay.

1:01:52

1864 law needs to be kind of updated. We

1:01:58

weren't even a state that. And

1:02:00

I mean, I can agree with him on that, whether

1:02:02

it's, you know, abortion or not, I,

1:02:08

we could disagree or agree on that or

1:02:10

not. But

1:02:12

that kind of law or that old

1:02:15

of a law needs to definitely need

1:02:17

to be updated. And make sure with

1:02:19

that language, Philip, yeah,

1:02:22

independence and constitution are pretty old, and

1:02:24

they're pretty good documents. So

1:02:26

just because it's old doesn't mean it's not good. Well,

1:02:30

I mean, just saying, you

1:02:32

gotta pick your words carefully. There's a lot

1:02:34

of old laws on the books that maybe

1:02:36

could get revisited given current,

1:02:39

you know, state of mind of

1:02:41

people. Our constitution, our

1:02:43

constitution is a living

1:02:46

document. That law is not

1:02:48

a living law. Okay.

1:02:53

There's a little bit of difference between

1:02:55

the law and our constitution. Laws

1:02:58

can be updated. Our constitution

1:03:02

still lives because it can

1:03:04

be updated. That's why we have,

1:03:07

you know, ratifications. Anything

1:03:10

can be subject to change. You just need to. And,

1:03:13

you know, we got rid of

1:03:15

alcohol and then we

1:03:18

brought it back. You know, we

1:03:21

didn't like something. We got rid of it.

1:03:23

We could bring it back. You know,

1:03:28

that's, go ahead. I'm sorry.

1:03:32

But you do think that it is states who

1:03:34

should decide access to reproductive

1:03:36

health and abortion. Oh yeah. It

1:03:38

should stay in the states. Absolutely.

1:03:40

It should stay in the states. Federal

1:03:45

government should not mess with this.

1:03:47

It's not their place. Let the states

1:03:49

decide. And if you're in a state

1:03:51

that you don't agree with the law,

1:03:54

you know, you either live with it or you

1:03:56

move or you'd like different people

1:03:58

that represent you. Exactly.

1:04:00

Believe me, I try. Very valid point.

1:04:02

I'm surrounded by Republicans. Rally

1:04:05

your friends. Yeah. I

1:04:08

try. Try,

1:04:11

Harvey. Of

1:04:13

course, not all people can afford to

1:04:16

up and move when they

1:04:18

don't like the local government. Yeah,

1:04:21

you need to rally your group.

1:04:23

Yeah. You need

1:04:25

to rally your group. How

1:04:28

many of you think that there

1:04:30

is a benefit to having

1:04:33

presidents who are older? Donald Trump, 78.

1:04:36

Joe Biden, 81. Does

1:04:39

anyone think that older age

1:04:42

is an asset? I

1:04:46

don't think anybody wants a 20-year-old president or 35, even

1:04:49

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1:04:51

some benefit to wisdom experience. But

1:04:55

I don't know that it's something we would want to

1:04:57

set an age limit. But I think

1:04:59

you've got a question. Fitness ability,

1:05:02

cognitive ability. I

1:05:07

think that's what we're getting to, is the

1:05:09

cognitive ability. Absolutely.

1:05:12

Yeah, I agree with that, too. I

1:05:17

know they've raised some issues with, they've

1:05:20

said recently Donald Trump is showing

1:05:22

cognitive decline. Joe

1:05:28

Biden is definitely showing cognitive

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But I'm not

1:05:43

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there was concern about selectively edited

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that from the Trump administration days,

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too, with, you know, the way

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that White House saying, oh, that was edited. If

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has always been known for his

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gaffes. a

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man in a wheelchair to please stand up. Okay.

1:08:04

I didn't know Joe Biden was Jesus

1:08:07

Christ that can make people walk, but

1:08:09

you know, that's a gap. All

1:08:11

right. It happens, but

1:08:15

that's just been him for the past,

1:08:18

what? 53

1:08:21

or 51 years. That's just the way that he is.

1:08:24

Okay. But it's gotten worse over

1:08:26

the past four years. It may

1:08:28

be just the stress of being

1:08:30

president. Um,

1:08:34

you know, but, but, uh, that Donald

1:08:36

Trump right now is 78 years old. Right. But

1:08:42

you don't see that him, you know, standing

1:08:44

on stage. Yeah. You don't see that. You

1:08:47

don't see that he goes to

1:08:49

a rally for four hours and

1:08:51

is talking and is making sense.

1:08:54

I know some of our other

1:08:56

panelists won't agree, but you

1:08:58

know, he's there. He's alive. He's

1:09:00

rallying the troops. He can

1:09:03

go ahead.

1:09:05

I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm just

1:09:07

saying he can interact like a person.

1:09:09

You can have a conversation where he's

1:09:11

not scripted. He's not afraid to interact.

1:09:14

He's not afraid to go through his

1:09:16

little cards for, you know, seconds on

1:09:18

the end. Like, you know, somebody needs

1:09:20

to come behind him and wind him

1:09:23

back up. Do you think

1:09:25

he always makes sense when he, when, when you

1:09:27

listen to him at rallies, like, did you all

1:09:29

hear him talking about sharks and electric boats last

1:09:32

week? He does.

1:09:34

He does like, I mean,

1:09:38

again, if you're looking for, so

1:09:45

when Donald Trump says something that, that,

1:09:47

that you're laughing at, that's okay. That's

1:09:50

okay. But when Joe Biden

1:09:53

isn't quite making sense. In the context of

1:09:55

it, he is making a joke. What was

1:09:57

the context for the sharks in the boat? I

1:10:00

haven't seen the, I haven't seen the clip. Regardless,

1:10:02

when he's on a stage at a rally or

1:10:04

a fundraiser or whatever, that's, you're not

1:10:07

setting policy. You're not sitting down with serious

1:10:09

people to say, this is my day-to-day job

1:10:11

in running the government. Again, it's

1:10:14

a form of theater. You think

1:10:16

it's acting. And to be honest, you

1:10:18

know, if I, maybe if

1:10:20

Joe Biden would do that to show that he has something

1:10:23

going on there, that's a little less scripted

1:10:25

or. Off the cuff. Yeah, to

1:10:27

show that, whether you like the

1:10:29

personality or not. And

1:10:31

again, we've got decades of history of

1:10:33

Joe Biden because he's been in politics

1:10:35

for so long. So you can see

1:10:38

the man from a time ago to

1:10:40

today and this is not a criticism.

1:10:42

I mean, age is what it is. You can't stop it.

1:10:44

It can't be helped. Just

1:10:46

because you're older doesn't mean that you don't know

1:10:48

what's going on. Yeah, because we

1:10:51

all know that. Their minds are fine. It's

1:10:53

something. Yes, they are. We're

1:10:56

just saying we're talking about the

1:10:59

previous Joe Biden was gaffes. Okay,

1:11:02

just misspeaking, you know, things like

1:11:04

that. The Joe Biden

1:11:06

we've got in the past two

1:11:09

years, especially two

1:11:11

years, has been a

1:11:14

definite decline. I

1:11:17

feel a little bit like what you

1:11:19

guys are saying. You're actually stumbling around

1:11:22

on stage. But half of the

1:11:24

people you don't see the decline in Donald Trump,

1:11:26

huh? Half of the people in this group say

1:11:28

that anything Donald Trump says, it's garbage.

1:11:31

We don't want to listen to him,

1:11:33

whatever. But we don't even get the

1:11:35

opportunity to hear what Joe Biden says

1:11:37

because he won't take questions. He walks

1:11:39

away. He has

1:11:41

his one or two picked out scripted. Here's the name

1:11:43

of the reporter on my notes. And

1:11:46

see ya. You don't even

1:11:48

get to interact. There's no transparency. There's no

1:11:51

sense of, hey, here's what I think about

1:11:53

this or why we're doing this. So what's worse?

1:11:55

Something that you say isn't even worth listening to

1:11:57

or not even being able to hear the message.

1:12:00

Well, how about John's gonna debate with

1:12:02

Donald, but Donald would not debate with

1:12:04

anybody beforehand. So but but Joe is

1:12:06

willing to debate with him. Did he have

1:12:08

to? Well, we will all see

1:12:10

on Thursday night. Well,

1:12:13

we will. Yeah. Test.

1:12:16

Are they going to drug test him? Both

1:12:20

the candidates afterwards. I

1:12:22

have no Trump did ask, are

1:12:25

they going to drug test the president after

1:12:28

the debate or before? Did

1:12:30

you think he was joking? I

1:12:33

don't think he was joking afterwards. Because he

1:12:38

because of the way he he

1:12:41

was acting before and after. The

1:12:47

State of the Union. Yeah. That

1:12:49

was so hard for like for

1:12:54

that almost two hours. They're

1:12:56

blown off. OK,

1:12:58

well, all of you all of you

1:13:00

should watch CBS on Thursday night when

1:13:03

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1:13:06

debate of the two candidates. And we

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