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the distance! Now here's some combination of Adam,

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Dave, Jamie and Heath. Okay,

1:26

you've got a big decision to make

1:28

in round two or three. You wanna take

1:30

a running back? But you're having trouble deciding

1:32

who do I take? James Cook, Isaiah Pacheco,

1:35

Alvin Kamara. Actually, it's a whole list that

1:37

we're going through in the consensus ranking, similar

1:39

to what we did last week. But this

1:41

is nine through 17. And

1:44

Jamie, Dave's here as well. But Jamie, last week

1:46

you and I did that show with the wide

1:48

receiver rankings. It was your rankings, not consensus. And

1:51

it was 10 through 18, I

1:53

believe. And it was

1:55

Olave, London, Waddle, Pittman,

1:58

Adams, Evans. Uke, Nico

2:01

Collins, Deebo Samuel. And I thought what

2:03

was so unique about that group is

2:05

really you could see them going in any order,

2:08

right? Some people could be a big Iuke fan,

2:10

they could take them ahead of Chris

2:12

Olave or whatever. This, I don't know

2:14

if you feel that way about this group, but

2:17

this is the group like after Barkley, Kyron

2:19

Williams, and ETN. Probably a little bit

2:21

more question marks here. And the consensus rankings

2:24

are Rashad White, James

2:26

Cook, Isaiah Pacheco, Josh

2:29

Jacobs, Joe Mixon, Derek

2:32

Henry, Alvin Camara,

2:34

Devonne Achan, Ken Walker.

2:37

Do you think that group is completely

2:39

interchangeable or do you think there are

2:41

tears there? I

2:44

think they're somewhat

2:47

interchangeable. Somewhat

2:51

interchangeable? Okay. Yeah, I

2:53

mean like that group

2:56

is I think pretty much locked

2:58

in. Like you could make cases

3:00

for potentially Montgomery, potentially Zamir White.

3:02

You know, if Jonathan Brooks

3:04

is 100% healthy, maybe he jumps into this

3:06

group. You

3:09

know, if something were let's say to

3:12

happen to, you know, the

3:14

Cardinals don't love Trey Bentz and James Conner creeps back

3:16

into this range, you know, something like that, but or

3:18

vice versa, injury to one of those guys. So,

3:21

but I think those are the

3:23

running backs that you're talking about for sure, you

3:25

know, in this range. And

3:27

where they go is probably

3:30

just the biggest, you know, determining factor.

3:32

But like you said, you know, it comes down to I

3:34

think personal preference. Like, you

3:37

know, I'm getting a little bit more concerned about,

3:41

you know, Josh Jacobs, for example, by

3:43

comparison to a couple of other guys in this group.

3:46

Dave, could you see how many

3:49

of these guys could you see going late in the second

3:51

round? So just give me a yes or no. Could you

3:53

see these guys going in the second round Rashad White? In

3:57

PPR? Yes. James Cook. No.

4:01

Really? Okay. No. Pacheco.

4:06

Yeah, I think he could. Jacobs.

4:09

Yeah. Mixing. I disagree

4:11

with Jamie. I mean, I'm curious to hear Jamie's thoughts on

4:13

Jacobs and what he sees, and I'll give

4:15

you my research on Jacobs. Who'd you say? Mixing.

4:19

No, not round two. I'm not

4:21

asking about you. I'm asking, do you think

4:23

people would take him there? No, not round

4:25

two. And you're still a no on James

4:27

Cook? Correct. Okay.

4:31

Derek Henry. Non PPR. Yes.

4:34

Half PPR. Full PPR. Maybe

4:36

in half PPR. Camara.

4:39

Nope. H-N. Not

4:41

round two. H-N. You got to

4:43

say yes on H-N because his ADP is- I do have to say yes on H-N.

4:47

Ken Walker. No. Okay.

4:51

All right. So let's get to it. Give me

4:53

a running back in this range, 9 through 17

4:55

in the consensus rankings, Jamie, that you find yourself

4:57

drafting a lot. James

5:00

Cook. And you're cool with him

5:02

in round two? Very much so. All

5:05

right. Let's get about it. Let's hear about it.

5:07

Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Go

5:10

ahead. I mean, we talked about this previously. I did

5:12

this for our bold predictions for the magazine. So I

5:14

think he's going to have a chance to lead running

5:16

backs and receptions this year. I'll

5:18

Azur stat it for you. So if you take out the

5:20

game where he didn't get a target, now, it's not because

5:23

of injury or anything else. I'm just doing it

5:25

for fun. But if you take out the game where you didn't get a target,

5:27

which is a little weird, in week 16, match up against the Chargers in

5:30

the nine games with Joe Brady was on pace for 60

5:32

catches. Now they just lost over

5:34

200 targets and over 120. What was it?

5:38

Receptions, 150, two receptions and

5:40

241 targets with Gabe Davis and Staphon Diggs. I'll

5:47

say that the right way with Staphon Diggs and Gabe Davis

5:49

gone. That

5:52

you're looking at this receiving core and there's a

5:54

lot to prove. And so I think what Joe Brady

5:56

will do is just give James Cook an opportunity to

5:58

catch more passes. And so we'll he. get to 76

6:00

or 77 like you know, Breece Hall and and

6:02

Alvin Kamara were a year ago, probably not but you

6:05

know, just having some fun with it. But

6:07

in any event, in the nine games, he

6:09

was on pace for 52 catches. I'm

6:12

sorry, in the nine games, yes, he was on pace for 52 catches.

6:15

Take out that game, he was on pace for 60 catches. And

6:18

I think that's going to be a huge part of

6:21

huge asset for him, on top of the fact that

6:23

I think he'll score more than six total touchdowns, certainly

6:25

more than two rushing touchdowns. So I

6:27

like the setup for James Cook quite a bit. Dave,

6:30

why are you would know on cooking round two? I'm

6:33

just going to go on the track record of

6:35

Buffalo Bills running back since Josh Allen has come

6:38

to power at quarterback for them. And

6:40

just every year, we get

6:42

enamored with a bills running back and

6:46

it was kind of easier to be okay

6:48

with the bills running back before this year

6:50

because the draft capital wasn't very high. James

6:52

Cook last year, where were we taking him

6:54

four or five somewhere in that range? I

6:56

felt like that wasn't too high to take the chance

6:59

on James Cook, knowing that things could go wrong. And

7:01

for the first half of the year, things definitely weren't

7:03

great for James Cook in the second half of the

7:05

year. He did well, the

7:07

offensive coordinator changed man, he got a ton more

7:09

work. But then he tailed off at the end

7:11

of the year. And it just makes

7:13

me nervous to be that

7:15

all in on a bills running back,

7:18

even when as talented as James Cook, I

7:21

don't care about them drafting Ray Davis. I know

7:23

someone else is going to be there, whether it's

7:25

Davis or Ty Johnson to take away some work

7:27

that shouldn't stop you. What stops me is that

7:29

Josh Allen dominates in the red zone, he gets

7:31

tons of touchdowns on the ground there. And

7:34

he's going to continue to throw the ball to

7:36

everybody. It's not going to be just James Cook,

7:38

the types of targets that are missing from that

7:40

offense. Gabe Davis is an example, that's deep shots.

7:42

Those are downfield. I don't think James Cook is

7:44

going to get a lot of those. Stefan Diggs

7:46

was working the intermediate area, the shorter he worked

7:48

everywhere. How many of those targets is James Cook

7:50

going to get? I get

7:52

where you're coming from. And I think he's going to

7:54

be good. I just don't think he's going to be

7:56

around too good. It's too close to his ceiling for

7:59

me. Okay,

8:01

so how about a who was the player day

8:03

that you draft a lot? It's

8:06

Jacob's and it's it's because of where

8:08

he's ended up and I really like

8:10

where he's ended up and the potential

8:12

that he has. And what

8:15

we've seen from him not last year because I think we

8:17

can all agree that last year was

8:19

kind of a mess for him. But

8:21

I think moving forward, he's got a

8:23

chance to be the not

8:25

just the lead back in Green Bay. It's

8:28

obvious, but I think he's going to get a lot of

8:30

work. He got over 20 touches a game last year when

8:32

he was healthy in Las Vegas. This is

8:34

one of my favorite sets. I shared this with you,

8:36

Adam. I want to share it with everybody, including Jamie.

8:39

LeFlore's coach for five years in Green Bay,

8:41

83 regular season games, 67 of

8:43

those 83 regular season games,

8:46

at least one running back, at least one

8:48

has had at least 15 touches in a

8:51

game. Last year when Jacob's had 15

8:53

touches that happened to 11 games, he averaged 15.1 PPR points,

8:57

15.1 is okay. The year before was the breakout

8:59

year, the contract year for Jacob's, 15 games

9:02

with 15 plus touches, 20.8 PPR points per

9:04

game. This is

9:06

a better offense that he's in compared to what he

9:08

was in in Las Vegas. I think the opportunities are

9:11

not going to shrink form. The track record is what

9:13

it is with LeFlore. I think the offensive line is

9:15

an upgrade form as well. And he's not going to

9:17

be holding out going into training

9:19

camp. He won't miss a chunk of training camp. Hopefully,

9:22

fingers crossed, he stays healthy in the early going.

9:24

The 26 year old Jacob's can go back to

9:26

being 15 plus PPR points with

9:29

higher upside than almost any running back

9:31

that we will talk about on today's

9:33

show. I just don't see in the passing

9:35

game, that's the problem. I think they're going to use Lloyd and then

9:37

they're going to use Dylan too much. It

9:39

just feels like a passing game. No, no, no, no, no, they're going

9:41

to use Lloyd in the passing game. They're going to use Dylan, I

9:44

still think too much. They're going to use Lloyd in the passing game.

9:46

Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, I think

9:48

they will. Well,

9:50

Josh Jacobs in his career, I think he

9:52

has nine catches on third down. So

9:55

again, this is another guy that stays

9:58

on the field so much like Mixon. where

10:00

it doesn't have to be a third down back. It's just

10:02

a matter of is Jordan Love going to throw to him

10:04

on first and second down. So how

10:06

many catches are we thinking? That's where you

10:08

guys disagree. How many catches are we thinking for Jacobs? Well

10:13

last year, what did he average? I'm looking at it

10:15

right now. 37 and 13 games. 2.3

10:18

catches per game. It's actually one of

10:20

the lowest catch per game averages and only

10:22

three targets per game. That's not

10:24

true. That's what he average. I said one

10:26

of the lowest of the guys that we're going to talk

10:29

about today. No, I think he averaged more catches in that

10:31

unless I have the wrong stats for him. I'm looking. Oh

10:33

no, that's at the end of the year. Three catches per

10:35

game. I had a filter on for James Cook. That's my

10:37

bad. What do you see? Three catches

10:40

per game. I would take that in a heartbeat. That's

10:42

50 catches if he stays healthy. Let's put it

10:44

at 48. So that way he's just shy of it.

10:47

That sets a realistic expectation. And just the

10:49

reason why I was surprised by what you said about Marshawn Lloyd at

10:51

USC, 34

10:54

catches in three seasons, Jamie. That's

10:56

not an established part of his game.

11:00

I expect him to be more involved in the

11:02

passing game because I don't think that Jacobs is

11:04

going to be the primary pass catcher. That's

11:08

interesting. I'd say 35 catches

11:11

is realistic for him.

11:13

Man this is I mean it's really fun that

11:15

you guys disagree so much on those two players,

11:18

you know, if you're on the clock. I'm drafting

11:20

Josh Jacobs. I'm not taking him in round two

11:22

and I'd rather have James Cook. You'd

11:24

rather have James Cook. I'd rather have Jacobs. I'll

11:26

take Jacobs in round three. I'll take Jacobs in round three.

11:28

Jacobs in round three? No. Late

11:31

round three. And

11:33

that's how I feel about Cook. We're going

11:35

to differ by about a round on those

11:37

two guys. You'll take Cook and I get

11:39

it with the catches. Yes, James Cook will

11:41

have more catches than Josh Jacobs. I think

11:43

if Jacobs stays healthy, he'll have more touches,

11:45

more total yards, more touchdowns. Jacobs

11:48

has been a top 15 running

11:51

back per game in full PPR in four

11:53

or five seasons. He's been top 17 in

11:55

all five seasons. 17 was his

11:57

lowest finish in full PPR. That was last year.

12:00

per game. Last year was terrible for Jacobs. He

12:02

held out. He got off to a really bad

12:04

start. He wasn't, truthfully, he wasn't that much better

12:06

after he just got a lot more work. But

12:09

you know, he's an interesting per

12:12

carry guy. He's had three years where he's been

12:14

really bad per car, you know, not good per

12:16

carry, two years where he's been fantastic. But

12:19

he's never had competition. He's just

12:21

never, ever had competition. He's

12:23

been on pace for like over 300 carries, I

12:25

think, in four or five seasons. We've never seen

12:27

that from a Packers running back. Will they use

12:30

him differently than Aaron Jones? We will

12:32

find out. And I guess we'll get

12:34

further into those guys in a little bit. I gotta take a break.

12:36

I'm gonna ask you who you're avoiding

12:38

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Okay, so welcome back to the show, everybody.

13:48

So who's a running back in this range?

13:50

And again, I'll give the the names. They

13:53

are James Cook. Oh, I'll

13:55

give them an order in the consensus rankings. I have

13:57

about 1000 tabs open now. So give me one second

13:59

here. here. Rashad white, James

14:02

Cook, Isaiah Pacheco, Josh

14:04

Jacobs, Joe Mixon, Derek Henry,

14:06

Alvin Camara and Devon Achan.

14:10

Dave, who's a player that you typically avoid in this?

14:12

I guess it's James Cook. No,

14:14

I've got two running backs that are ranked even lower

14:16

than Cook. And so I

14:19

would, I would prefer Cook over

14:21

Mixon and Ken Walker. Okay. Mixon

14:23

and Ken Walker. How about you, Jamie? Who

14:26

I avoid? Probably Achan, especially as cost. Okay.

14:29

All right. We'll get into all these guys. My

14:32

heart is beating

14:35

like a drum right now. I, the,

14:39

the angst,

14:42

the nervousness, the, I just made a dynasty trade.

14:44

I just moved up from seven to four in

14:47

our big draft and I

14:49

am on the clock. Okay. I gave up to Heath.

14:51

He's a, he's a, he's

14:54

had the fourth pick. He has a terrible

14:56

quarterback situation in our super flex league. He

14:58

has, what did I say? Justin

15:00

Fields, Ryan Tannehill and

15:02

Aiden O'Connell. So he really

15:04

wanted Minshew. So I, I had

15:07

the seventh pick. He had the fourth pick. I

15:09

gave him Trey McBride. Let

15:12

me just make sure I have the pick, the terms right

15:14

here. Okay. I see it. Trey

15:17

McBride, my first

15:19

round pick and

15:22

what, and Minshew. Yeah. Right. He

15:24

moved seven to four and Minshew

15:28

for the fourth pick and the 23rd pick. And

15:31

I'm taking neighbors. Oh, you got the 23rd pick

15:33

out of it too. Yeah. Not

15:36

bad, right? I

15:38

like it. Oh man. And

15:40

now you're going to get your guy. Yeah. I just

15:42

really want to believe favors. I'm so excited about that.

15:45

News and notes, Ramon Dre Stevenson is slimmer. He

15:47

has slimmed down. They're hoping for more explosive plays

15:49

from him. They really seem to like Ramon Dre

15:51

Stevenson. He appears to be closing in on a

15:53

contract extension. He's not part of today's show, but

15:56

we will talk about him at some point soon.

15:58

And Mike Tomlin signed a three year contract. extension

16:00

through 2027. Okay, let's get

16:03

back to this discussion here. Running back rankings, consensus

16:06

9 through 17. So James Cook, I

16:09

don't know if there's anything more we need to say about

16:11

here. Pros and cons, you

16:13

know, I think it's pretty straightforward, right? He's

16:15

definitely the guy, you know, he's

16:17

the main guy. The question is, is he

16:19

gonna be the goal line guy? They used

16:22

Latavius Murray there last year.

16:24

Are they really gonna use Ray Davis there?

16:26

Because I will say this guys about James

16:28

Cook. The cons

16:30

are obvious. It's that what Dave said, Josh

16:33

Allen always steals all the touchdowns. But

16:36

if they just give him Latavius

16:38

Murray's role, then he could

16:40

have a 10 total touchdown type of

16:42

season, you know? I'm not saying he'll

16:44

have 10 rushing touchdowns, but he just

16:46

needs to be, you know,

16:48

getting most of the goal line running back

16:50

work. Even if Josh Allen has that role,

16:53

Dave, then I still think there's enough to

16:55

go around unless they give it to other

16:57

guys. But if they just say, all right,

16:59

it's gonna be Josh Allen and James Cook

17:01

getting like 90% of the goal line running

17:03

back of goal line rushes, I

17:05

think he'll be fine then. What do you think

17:07

about that? Well, you had

17:10

the stat on a show recently, I

17:12

guess it was two weeks ago, where

17:15

the bills have had like 26 goal

17:18

to go carries. No, it's 27

17:20

touchdowns over the last six

17:23

years from the inside. I think the five

17:25

yard line from running back, which is what's

17:27

going to fell is is

17:29

James Cook, the type of running

17:31

back to make them change their

17:33

philosophy, but it's but they actually

17:36

had the eighth most running

17:38

back carries from like the five yard

17:40

line or closer last year, believe

17:43

it or not. Look, have a

17:45

very few. I don't know. Four or

17:47

something was it was mostly like you're

17:50

hoping for something to happen that this

17:52

coaching staff with two different offensive coordinators

17:54

have viewed, you know, the same

17:57

way they look at James Cook and

17:59

they say, awesome. running back great game breaker,

18:01

awesome pass catcher out of the backfield, and

18:03

maybe not somebody that we want to get beat up near

18:05

the goal line. And that's where

18:08

somebody like Ray Davis, who has a body

18:10

similar to Latavius Murray, physical dude, I've stood

18:12

next to Ray Davis, he was at the

18:14

senior bowl, that's a guy who could get

18:16

it done. They've got a quarterback who's an

18:18

absolute hoss in Josh Allen, he's gotten it

18:20

done. I know that. So that's, it's one

18:22

area that really makes me nervous about Cook

18:25

on a team that's had

18:27

such inconsistent production from running

18:29

backs over those six years

18:31

that you're talking about. And that's

18:33

just, it makes me a little bit nervous to

18:36

trust Cook beyond the catches, because the

18:39

catches will be there. 50 plus, no

18:41

problem. 60 plus, yeah. But

18:43

I just, I worry about the

18:45

rest of Cook's game to

18:48

carry him as a second round pick in

18:50

fantasy. Well, I mean, we spent the

18:52

entire show yesterday talking about regression and Josh Allen was a

18:54

big part of that and coming down from his 15 touchdowns

18:56

to where he usually is, which is around

18:58

eight. And so does that go to a rookie running back

19:00

or does that go a couple, if

19:03

not maybe closer to five to James

19:06

Cook? And if he gets that, he's

19:09

well worth a round two pick. Five

19:11

rushing touchdowns. And

19:13

then what did he have last year? He had

19:16

four receiving touchdowns and that's probably unrealistic, but if

19:19

he's eight plus touchdowns, plus the reception total,

19:21

he's gonna be well worth a round two pick. What kind of

19:23

total yardage are we looking, what was he on pace for from

19:25

week 11 on? Last year

19:27

was 1500 total yards. Well,

19:31

let me give you this. Let

19:33

me compare Pacheco and Cook and

19:35

their best stretches. Their best stretches.

19:38

So this is like the Joe Brady, I'll just give you

19:40

Cook for now. All right, Cook

19:42

with Joe Brady, that's nine games, including the

19:45

postseason. He was on pace for

19:47

342 touches, 53 catches, just

19:51

short of 1700 total yards and

19:56

eight touchdowns. I

19:59

wish I had calculated. round

22:00

two picks. So, you

22:03

know, like Josh Jacob's going

22:05

in round two, I think a lot of people would

22:07

would say no, it's too risky. Dave obviously is okay

22:09

with that. And by the way, I've

22:11

given you consensus rankings here, but Jamie's

22:14

got Cook ninth and Dave has Cook

22:16

fifteenth. So consensus, Cook is

22:18

actually tenth, Rashad White is ninth. I have

22:21

him third on this list for whatever reason.

22:23

So I went Cook Pacheco White, sort of

22:25

grouped them together. Let's talk about Isaiah Pacheco.

22:27

Let's move to him. Pros and cons for

22:29

Isaiah Pacheco. Jamie, give me some quick

22:32

pros and cons for Pacheco. I

22:34

mean, the offense he plays on seemingly

22:37

got better, you know, swimming, Ray

22:39

Rice, Ray Rice, Rashid Rice isn't

22:41

suspended for, you

22:43

know, the majority of the season. But if he's there for

22:45

good portion of it, which is what we expect, you know,

22:47

now you have a better passing game, which would open up

22:50

things for the run game. Um, he

22:53

did show that he can be involved in a pass game last year

22:55

and be a significant contributor there. But I

22:57

mean, you know, you're you're asking a

22:59

Andy Reed running back, which for the most

23:02

part has been an unbelievable situation in Philadelphia

23:04

and Kansas City when that guy has been

23:07

given the touches that Pacheco about last year to be

23:09

a star. And that's what he was last year. So

23:12

very limited competition for touches.

23:15

Um, role in the passing game, I think will

23:17

continue to grow. And that's

23:19

the upside. The downside is, is that the

23:21

passing game gets better and they get, you know, continue to

23:23

still be more creative at the goal line. And he loses

23:26

a couple scores and that he's not

23:28

as involved in the passing. Dave

23:31

pros and cons for Isaiah Pacheco, who

23:33

was RB 15 14 per game

23:37

and overall, really, if you look

23:39

at depending on different formats, there

23:41

were seven games last year where he played at least 60% of the

23:44

snaps. He had at least

23:46

20 touches and six of those seven games. He averaged

23:48

19.1 PPR

23:50

points, 16.7 non PPR points

23:52

with five touchdowns, three games

23:54

with over 100 yards in

23:57

those seven. What's stopping the

23:59

Chiefs? from using him to the

24:01

tune of 60% of the snaps

24:03

right out of the gate this year. They're

24:06

running back depth chart is not pretty. They've

24:08

got Clyde Edwards, Elaire as the

24:10

direct backup. He's on a one year deal. Uh,

24:13

I don't think Luis rees. Is

24:15

going to end up being someone that takes a lot

24:18

of work away on, on running downs or

24:20

in the passing game from Isaiah Pacheco,

24:22

that's their rugby player for those

24:24

that may not be aware he's, he's actually like,

24:26

he looks like he could be a difference maker

24:28

in the kick return game in a major way,

24:30

but I don't know if he's going to end

24:32

up playing a lot of offense. I think Pacheco

24:34

is good. 25 years old, been

24:37

in this office for a couple of years. There

24:39

doesn't seem to be a threat for that passing

24:41

downs work for that third down roll. And so

24:43

I agree with Jamie sentiment that there could be

24:45

more for him in the passing game. I'm

24:48

probably making a big mistake by having Pacheco

24:50

behind Josh Jacobs. That's one that I think

24:52

I can fix. And I think

24:54

Pacheco is absolutely worth a second

24:57

round pick. When you get to that point that you

24:59

talked about Adam, when you, you, you don't really love

25:01

anybody that's left on the board, but Pacheco is there.

25:03

And you can say, all right, chiefs

25:06

are running back. They've got two fast

25:08

guys on the field now. So the safeties will play

25:10

back quite a bit and Pacheco could end up being

25:12

a very good player, both in the run game and

25:14

the pass game could end up having his best year

25:16

yet. I know I'm

25:18

going to keep coming back to this. And at

25:20

some point we should probably spend more time on

25:23

it. That, that spot, that area

25:25

that you're talking about, let's say it's what. 18

25:27

to 24, 20 to 24. I don't

25:29

know which, which range you want to talk

25:32

about the end around too. So for me,

25:34

I think it's nine, nine running backs, nine

25:36

wide receivers. And then we'll see how many

25:38

quarterbacks are in tight ends or taken. So

25:41

again, yeah, this, this, this, this is where,

25:43

you know, ADP versus, you know, analyst

25:45

expert drafts, depending on how you want to break it

25:48

down. Um, why

25:50

it's in my opinion, so important to take

25:52

those receivers after you take McCaffrey because

25:55

the picks that you're looking at,

25:57

which is these guys. comparatively

26:00

to Iuke and Waddle

26:02

and Pittman and those guys that

26:04

have, I think, more question marks than some of these

26:06

players. And so if you want

26:08

to go here, RB, these are the guys that you're looking

26:10

at, especially if you start with lamb or Tyreek or Jefferson

26:12

or any of these guys, you know, picks two through six

26:14

or seven. Um, it's

26:17

just to me, the smarter way to draft, smarter

26:19

way to draft is to go McCaffrey and then

26:21

one of the top receivers. Yeah. It's that of

26:23

taking McCaffrey is almost like a curse because like

26:25

what you're at, what you're looking at

26:28

it at 24 and 25 feels a little gross because

26:30

you have to overpay for some guys. I

26:33

think the counter to that is like, who cares? You know,

26:35

just take your best, take the best players. You don't have

26:37

to get a running back there. If you like the wall,

26:39

I don't think you have to get a running back at

26:41

all. But again, it's, you know, do you want to take

26:43

the one of the quarterbacks? Do you want to reach for

26:45

the Porter or Kelsey? Um, and

26:48

I say reaches because I think they're, they're going to slip

26:50

a little bit. Uh, or do you, you

26:52

know, take, take a receiver that you don't necessarily love. Uh,

26:55

yeah. Now the hope is the quarter backs

26:57

go. The hope, right.

26:59

That would, that would help. Um, all

27:01

right. How many mock drafts have we done? Adam, where

27:03

a quarterback has gone around to with

27:05

the fans? I think, I

27:08

think Josh Allen, I think they've been,

27:10

they've been going, the fan, the only

27:12

fans mock drafts have been taking quarterbacks

27:14

earlier than the, uh,

27:17

CBS stress. Okay. Let me, let me

27:20

say something on Pacheco here. His,

27:24

he had, he averaged in 10 regular

27:26

season games with Jarek McKinnon,

27:29

2.9 targets per game in

27:32

four regular season games without McKinnon

27:35

Pacheco averaged five targets per game.

27:37

Huge, huge. Okay. Then

27:39

McKinnon missed, uh, most of

27:41

the playoffs played in the super bowl and

27:45

didn't really get that much work. They

27:47

don't have McKinnon right now. You talk about

27:49

that third down role. I mean, I think

27:51

that is the key for Isaiah Pacheco because

27:54

he had a good year last year, but he didn't

27:56

finish in the top 12. He was 14th in full

27:58

PPR per game. He was 15. Hope

30:00

that made sense. Just to go over their depth chart, here's

30:02

who they have. And you tell me, Jamie, you can tell

30:04

me if they could be the passing down Sky. The first

30:06

one is the one that might have the best shot, Clyde

30:08

Edwards-Eller. And

30:11

he did play more on third down than

30:13

Pacheco when McKinnon was out. But

30:17

it was more even. It wasn't like all

30:19

Clyde. They were both there, but Clyde didn't

30:21

play better than Pacheco. That's

30:24

what I would expect this year if they don't bring

30:26

back McKinnon, if they don't add another passing down to

30:28

the back. Nobody else. Daeneric Prince, I

30:30

don't think he's, I don't know if he's played a snap

30:32

in the NFL. Keontae Ingram isn't

30:34

a passing down to running back. Reeze Dammit

30:37

is a rugby player. Undrafted

30:39

rookies, Imani Bailey, Carson Steele,

30:42

I'd be shocked if they ended up in that

30:44

big of a role right away in

30:46

Kansas City's offense where they've got to protect Patrick

30:48

Mahomes. I think this is setting up very

30:50

nicely for Isaiah Pacheco to be

30:53

in line for his best year ever. Second

30:55

round pick ahead of Jacobs. There

30:58

it is. Okay. Do

31:00

you take, you know,

31:03

Olave, Waddle, London, Adams

31:06

ahead of Pacheco? For

31:11

me it's Pacheco ahead of Adams. I've

31:14

got Pacheco ahead of them all

31:16

because I've got fewer questions about

31:18

him for now compared

31:20

to those wide receivers. I'm going to Rashad White

31:22

here. Rashad White is next up on the list.

31:25

Excuse me, James Cook and Isaiah Pacheco. I

31:28

know there's a lot of stats there. I

31:30

tried my best to clear it up. I hope that

31:32

was helpful. Anyway, Rashad White,

31:35

he was RB 15 per game in non-PPR, 13 per

31:37

game in half, 10th per game

31:40

in full PPR. Overall he was

31:42

his number four in full PPR, but 10th per

31:44

game. And remember he had a really

31:46

bad start. He had a tough schedule, scored 13 or

31:48

more PPR fantasy points in 12 of his last 14

31:50

games, including the postseason and 15.9

31:52

or more in 10 of those 14 games. So

31:56

terrific finish for Rashad White. Dave, it

31:58

was our end. once Dan fixed him. That's

32:01

right. No, it took a little bit longer than that,

32:03

but Dan certainly inspired him. Dan, Dave,

32:05

pros and cons for Rashad

32:07

White. The

32:10

pros are that he's basically

32:12

in every downback for Tampa and the Bucks

32:15

seemingly have painted themselves into a corner with

32:17

him because the only addition that they made

32:19

at running back is with Bucky Irving. And

32:22

the draft in Bucky Irving is a fast running back and

32:24

can do things. I think he can do things in the

32:26

past game. I got to double check it, but his body

32:28

pro as

32:31

such. Yeah. So I wonder if he's

32:33

going to take some work off of Rashad White's plate, but

32:36

I just think that he's, I think the Bucks have

32:38

no choice, but to go with him again, he was

32:40

very effective, average 4.4 targets per game in

32:43

his last 12 games, average

32:46

17.9 PPR points per game in those

32:48

games. So he's got potential to blow

32:50

away 15 PPR points. This

32:52

is another guy that I probably should have ranked ahead of

32:55

Josh Jacobs based on that. Stop,

32:57

stop talking yourself out of your

32:59

Jacobs conviction. No, I'm still

33:01

going to take Jacobs in round two. I just found

33:04

two other running backs that I like a little bit

33:06

more because of the upside that they provide. I

33:08

didn't listen, like part of the reason

33:10

why I really liked Jacobs was because he had a year where he

33:13

had a bunch of games with 15 plus such as in the average

33:15

20 PPR points per game.

33:17

I am telling you that I think that's going to be hard for him

33:19

to do. I think he's going to be right in that range of like

33:22

16. Here are

33:24

two running backs that we're talking about who have

33:26

displayed that when given the opportunity to be a

33:28

feature back for their teams can get you over

33:30

17. Yeah.

33:33

Pacheco got you freaking 19. 19 is our

33:35

problem. I'm more excited

33:37

about those running backs and Jacobs just by a little.

33:40

The problem for white is the

33:42

thing that makes him great in fantasy is

33:44

his receiving. And does Bucky Irving

33:47

take that away from him because they want to use

33:49

him more as a strictly,

33:51

more strictly as a running back in the

33:54

traditional role than they have been. And

33:56

if that's the case, then he's going to struggle because

33:58

you've noted this time of time. Again, Adam, whether it's

34:01

schedule, whether it's offensive line problems, he

34:03

just hasn't shown or proven

34:05

to be an elite level runner. Now

34:08

can he do that this year? Sure. There's

34:11

potential that he gets more experience and understands that and that's his

34:13

role. But if he's going to

34:15

dip below 50 receptions, which

34:17

has been the case for two years, I'm

34:20

going to be a little concerned and that's the buckier of

34:22

an addition. So we've

34:25

talked about this since the NFL draft and

34:27

we all kind of get enamored

34:30

too much with these third

34:32

round rookies and fourth round rookies

34:34

and they have opportunities and they're an injury

34:36

away and blah, blah, blah. And that's certainly the case. But

34:42

I think what we've heard from

34:45

this coaching staff without Dave Canales

34:47

is how much they like Rashad White. And that's what

34:49

I keep coming back to is that I think they're

34:51

still going to make him

34:53

that guy and keep him in the passing game

34:55

and allow him to be Baker Mayfield's guy. Because

34:58

that's one thing about Baker Mayfield that's been underrated.

35:00

He did in Carolina. He didn't Cleveland. He

35:03

certainly did in Tampa Bay. He

35:05

throws to his running backs, you know, and

35:07

he's a very good asset to

35:09

his running backs in that case. Now granted,

35:11

he had Christian McCaffrey in the stretch with

35:13

Carolina and he's had Rashad White who's

35:16

been very good at doing this. But

35:19

if Bucky Irving comes in and takes that role from

35:21

him in whatever capacity, it's going to be tough to

35:23

justify taking him around too. So

35:26

and let's just put a bow on the Bucky

35:28

Irving talk and we saw the Bucks last year.

35:30

They tried to get Chase Edmonds involved. They tried

35:32

to get Sean Tucker involved. Neither of those guys

35:34

could really step up and do what the coaching

35:36

staff wanted them to do. Irving

35:38

at Oregon last year, 56 catches

35:40

the year before, 31 catches. So

35:43

that's 87 catches his last two seasons

35:46

averaged over eight yards per catch with

35:48

five touchdowns in those two seasons. That's

35:50

on top of him being a thousand yard rusher. Each

35:53

of those past two seasons, he scored 11 touchdowns

35:55

for Oregon last year. He's

35:57

a lean back. He's 190. But

36:00

he can catch and so this is someone who I think

36:02

is is a little bit more of a legitimate threat to

36:04

take away work in the passing game than someone

36:06

like Marshawn Lloyd who hasn't really done that in

36:08

college and would have to take a gigantic step

36:11

in order to do that in Green Bay. To

36:14

that being said, I still think that there

36:16

will be downs and distances where the

36:18

Bucks are going to count on Rashad White to

36:20

catch the ball out of the backfield more so than

36:22

Bucky Irving. Irving has to earn it. Just the fact that

36:24

he did it in college is nice. That tells you

36:26

that his learning curve won't be quite as high, but

36:29

I still think Rashad White is going to get a lot of work. Well,

36:32

I'm less concerned about Rashad

36:34

White losing his role in the passing game that

36:36

I am in the running game because Rashad White

36:38

is great in the passing game. Even if Bucky

36:40

Irving does have 87 catches

36:42

in his last two years, remember that was

36:45

an offense with a super low a-dot. I

36:47

think they threw the ball a lot and

36:49

Bo Nicks set a record for completion percentage

36:51

because he just threw short all the time.

36:53

But Rashad White doesn't drop the

36:56

ball. He catches almost every target he gets.

36:58

He's really good there. He can make plays

37:00

in the passing game. Simply put, you

37:02

have a hard time convincing me that he

37:04

hasn't been one of the most inefficient, maybe

37:07

worst running backs in football since

37:09

entering the league. 3.6 and 3.7 yards

37:12

per carry. Even for someone who highlights yards

37:14

per carry a lot, that is really, really

37:16

bad. He makes almost no big plays in

37:18

the running game. So at some

37:20

point, if he doesn't get it going, they did

37:22

draft a center in round one, Graham Barton, so

37:24

that could help. They've had a bad offensive line.

37:26

May not be his fault. I don't pretend that

37:29

yards per carry is all on the running back,

37:32

but he's one of the worst. He's

37:34

like bottom seven or something in yards

37:36

per carry over the last two seasons for

37:38

72 running backs who have 100 or more

37:41

carries. So that's the concern

37:43

with Rashad White. You may not

37:45

be that good. He had the line two years

37:47

ago, three years ago at this point, Brady's

37:50

first year there, second year

37:55

there. When they were healthy and then last

37:57

year they were injured and banged up. That's

38:00

why they made fixing their offensive

38:02

line of priority this offseason. So if

38:05

he can get, look, if you're right,

38:07

Adam, that he stays as the primary

38:09

pass catcher to this level. And

38:12

I don't know if he has to be north of 60 catches, but for

38:14

me, it's north of 50. But

38:16

if he stays north of 50 and

38:18

could be a four yards per carry kind of guy while still getting

38:20

this workload, he's going to be an absolute stud. Yeah,

38:22

but four yards per carry is like, oh wait, he hasn't

38:24

even been close. He had 272 carries last year. Three

38:28

of them were longer than 16 yards. That

38:32

is so bad. So you

38:34

know, that's just you remember, there are guys that

38:36

lose their job that we don't expect because they're

38:39

just not effective enough. And I do think we

38:41

have to put Rashad white in that boat. It's

38:43

possible. It's possible. He just does not run

38:45

well enough. And and

38:47

he loses work. Like like

38:49

Damien Pierce, you know, like we just

38:52

we didn't expect it. We never thought Devin

38:54

Singletary was a coaching change though. Miles Sanders

38:56

to, you know, yes, I know. I get

38:58

it. But they were so bad that

39:00

they had to be removed from that role. And

39:03

I just I fear that I don't think from

39:05

what the coaches have said, they don't feel

39:07

that way about white at all. And

39:09

the offseason doesn't suggest that right. But bowls has

39:11

been absolutely the coaches

39:13

said everything right about miles Sanders. It's

39:15

a matter of fact, is he just

39:18

Rashad white's production? I was I was again

39:20

switching teams and they fired the coach. Yeah.

39:23

But what is what is Todd Bowles going to say

39:26

about Rashad white? Obviously, he's going

39:28

to praise him. But but the personnel

39:30

says the same thing, though. Agreed. Their

39:33

actions this offseason says it. They didn't get

39:35

in on any free agent signing and they

39:37

drafted a guy in round four with a

39:39

pass catch. And the Panthers spent big money

39:41

on miles Sanders and had Chuba Hubbard as

39:43

their backup. But at the end of the

39:45

day, Sanders was so bad, they had no

39:48

choice but to make that switch. And I

39:50

feel the same way about the Texans. Damien

39:52

Pierce played his way out of that job.

39:54

I'm not we're talking pros

39:56

and cons here. If you're spending a veteran

39:58

to come in. and be ready

40:01

to go because they knew that Pierce would have

40:03

a hard time. On a one-year deal. No, they

40:05

were giving Pierce every opportunity there. And

40:07

I just, I'm just saying, I think if you're

40:09

going to take Rashad White with a top 30

40:11

pick or something like that, you have to be

40:13

aware that in my opinion,

40:16

he's been terrible. I

40:18

don't like the Damien Pierce comparison at all because they

40:20

switched schemes. They changed coaching staffs. I mean, everything was

40:22

just, he wasn't a fit for what Bobby Slope wanted

40:25

to do. But Damien Pierce at least was good. I'm

40:27

just saying Rashad White has not

40:29

been a good rusher. Rashad, I

40:31

mean, I'm going to tell you what Todd Bowles

40:33

said, which I think is the more

40:35

relevant thing here. He didn't say he's a great

40:37

runner. He said he's a great weapon for us.

40:39

Yeah. And that's, I think, what factors in. That's

40:41

why I said I'm more concerned about him losing

40:43

carries and catches. But I

40:45

don't think Bucky Irving is the guy to take him out of that role. I

40:47

think if Irving's going to take him out of a role, it's going to take

40:49

him out of a role as a pass catcher. I

40:52

mean, that thought will change if Bucky

40:54

Irving is like the talk of training camp in

40:56

town. Sure. I

40:58

think people are saying that I'm losing

41:00

this battle. I just. It's

41:03

not a battle win or lose. You're giving your opinion.

41:05

I don't think it's a good example to go Damien

41:07

Pierce. I do think it's a

41:09

good, you could go anywhere. Look, it's not that

41:11

the situations are the same. It's that it's the

41:14

overall thing. Ineffective running backs could lose their job.

41:16

You have to be aware of that. I don't

41:18

have that fear at all with James Cook or

41:20

Isaiah Pacheco. Those guys are really good running back.

41:23

I don't have that concern with Rashad White. OK.

41:25

But I just think that when you're talking about

41:27

those three guys who are back to back to

41:29

back in the consensus rankings, we're

41:31

talking about Devon H. And it gets you get drafted here.

41:34

The only one that I'm worried about being under

41:36

four yards per carry is Rashad White. And he

41:39

hasn't even been close to four yards per

41:41

carry. I mean, three point six, three point seven

41:43

yards per carry is absolutely terrible. So

41:45

I just think that when you're

41:47

comparing them to these rushers, Cook and

41:49

Pacheco, I think their primary appeal and

41:51

HN2 is that they're really, really good.

41:54

They make guys miss. They make big plays. They're awesome.

41:56

I cannot say that about Rashad White, the rusher. Yeah,

42:00

he's really good there, but

42:02

I think it's fair to criticize him for this. I'm

42:04

sorry. I'm not trying to get too negative. It is,

42:06

but you also made a, I think a big

42:08

point in your argument here. How

42:11

much of that is on him and how much of that is on the offensive

42:14

line? And

42:17

that's I think what matters in the minds of the coaching staff.

42:19

Like they may think his 3.7 could

42:21

have been 3.2. Well

42:23

yeah, the lack of big plays though, I think

42:26

is also on him. I mean, again, like, yeah,

42:28

no, it's, it's, it's certainly worth bringing up. That's

42:30

100% relevant. But I think to

42:32

say Damien Pierce is a comp based

42:34

on what happened to him last year and

42:37

Miles Sanders, you know, switching teams, one team switching,

42:39

coaching staff, switching scheme like that, I think is,

42:41

is tough to compare those two. No, I'm not.

42:44

The situations are different. And look, you could even

42:46

counter and say, okay, Canales is gone. It's a

42:48

new coordinator. So that might impact Rashad White in

42:50

negative way too. Yeah, but it's a similar

42:52

type of. No, I agree. But I'm just saying like, if

42:54

he wants to make that as a point, I it's the

42:56

point, the broader point is ineffective running

42:58

backs could lose their jobs and I am, I

43:01

am worried about him being ineffective. Maybe people aren't,

43:03

but I'm just bringing it up. He has not been an effective running

43:05

back. Okay. I'm sorry. Uh, we got to

43:07

take a break here. It's

43:11

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43:13

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43:15

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44:23

pros and cons for Josh Jacobs. Do we

44:25

need to go through this or did the

44:28

earlier session suffice on Jacobs? I

44:31

think I'm good with what I said. Okay,

44:34

so Dave's higher on him than Jamie is. So let's

44:36

go to Joe Mixon here. If you want to hear

44:38

more about Josh Jacobs, just rewind basically the beginning of

44:40

the show. Let's go to Joe

44:42

Mixon. He'll be 28 years old in July. Jamie,

44:45

what are the pros and cons for Mixon? I

44:48

think he's going to a better situation and you

44:51

know, that says a lot because the situation since now,

44:53

he's been very good for him. But you

44:55

know, this is an offense. That's a chance to be amazing. You

44:57

know, if everything clicks, clearly CJ Stroud's

44:59

on the rise. You know, the receiving core should be

45:01

better. Should have an opportunity to

45:04

score more points. I think he'll still

45:06

be involved in the passing game. The

45:09

negative is that Joe Mixon is, you know, was kicked to

45:11

the curb for a reason, not just salary related, and that

45:13

he might not be the best version of Joe Mixon at

45:15

this point in his career. So I'm

45:19

excited about the scenario for him, but

45:21

I'm cautiously optimistic. You know, I don't want to go

45:23

too far all in on Mixon. I kind of feel

45:26

similar to him than I feel about Josh Jacobs, except

45:28

with Mixon. I

45:30

don't view Damian Pierce as competition. I know

45:32

you do, Adam, just based on, you know, something

45:34

that you sent me in regards to our magazine about,

45:36

you know what, D'Amico Ryan

45:38

said about a one-two punch. I

45:41

think Mixon is going to dominate touches there, which is the plus for him.

45:45

Not that I don't think Jacobs will also, but I think Mixon's for

45:47

me a little bit safer. They acquired him for

45:49

peanuts and then they gave him a contract extension. So

45:52

they better do it. What I

45:54

like about Mixon is that he's averaged at least 15 PPR

45:57

points every year since 2020. and

46:00

now he's going to an offense that

46:04

they've turned it around so much. And the

46:06

offensive line should be strong. We know that

46:08

the receiving core is awesome. And

46:11

I'm not convinced that this offense

46:13

is going to become like one of the

46:15

past heaviest in the league.

46:17

They'll be up there. They have to be. They've got Stroud

46:19

and they've got these receivers. But Mixon

46:21

can be a little bit of a part of

46:23

that on first and second downs. But he's also

46:25

gonna be able to benefit from so many pass

46:27

catchers out there. Kind of like what I talked

46:29

about with Pacheco. Safety's aren't gonna be lurking down

46:31

near the line of scrimmage very often. And I

46:33

think Mixon is still good enough to get a

46:35

good rushing average, not a great one, but a

46:37

good one, be it eight in

46:40

the box or not. And on top of

46:42

that, plenty of touchdown opportunities, plenty

46:44

of totally hard opportunities. Just I think he's

46:46

in a really good spot. You

46:48

could squeeze one more year of 15 plus

46:50

PPR out of Joe Mixon. Yeah,

46:53

you know, I think Josh Jacobs has one season in

46:56

his career where he's finished in

46:58

the top 12 per game. It was 2022 and he was

47:00

third. I said

47:02

earlier, he's been top 17 per game every year. He's been top

47:04

15 per game almost every year. But

47:07

I think only one top 12 per game in

47:09

full PPR for Jacobs. Mixon on

47:11

the other hand has been top 12 per game in five

47:13

of the last six seasons in both

47:15

half and full PPR. And he was eighth. He

47:17

was top eight per game in 2021 and 2022. So

47:20

that's the pro with him. He gives you a lot of

47:22

a lot of consistency and probably

47:24

getting an offensive

47:27

line upgrade. If you

47:29

if you look at ESPN's ratings of run block

47:31

win rate and you look at PFF last

47:34

year, their run block grades, Houston

47:36

was not an upgrade over last year's

47:39

Bengals team, but their right tackle missed

47:41

10 games. Their left tackle

47:43

missed some time. So they have

47:45

some young talent on that line. So we're thinking

47:47

probably an offensive line upgrade. Will

47:50

he be the third down back? That's a con

47:52

I have listed here. I don't know if he will. Will

47:54

Houston throw to their running backs? They didn't really do that

47:56

much at all last year and he's going to be 28

47:58

years old. And he's

48:00

been kind of a pedestrian running back. But

48:02

Jamie, I'm not really worried about Pierce like

48:05

being a true one-two punch. But

48:07

I'm worried about him getting maybe like 80 to

48:10

100 carries or something like that. I don't

48:12

know. Enough to be annoying, I guess. I

48:16

think that number's high if Mixon's healthy. Yeah,

48:19

it could be. He's

48:21

certainly got a... Look, if Pierce is as bad as he

48:23

was last year, he's not getting 80 carries. He just wasn't...

48:25

I was pretty sure there's about 85 carries

48:28

over the season. He wasn't a

48:30

good fit for this scheme. And so will

48:32

a year in it and another offseason

48:34

help? Hopefully. Look, I

48:36

think Pierce has

48:39

an opportunity to still be productive in this

48:41

league and be productive on this team. But

48:43

it was a disaster last year for him.

48:45

And so this is kind of the hope

48:47

for Joe Mixon. And you can debate the

48:49

effectiveness of him as a running back. But

48:52

Devin Singletary was a very good fantasy asset on this

48:54

team. And I think Joe Mixon is a better player.

48:57

So I'm hoping that what he

48:59

does in now and offense that improved

49:01

from what Singletary was doing last year

49:04

should give Mixon another chance to be

49:06

a top 10, top 12, if

49:08

you want to knock him down a peg or two from his age for

49:12

the season, which is why I keep getting more and more excited about

49:15

him. So I like the setup. I

49:17

like the snare. Like Dave said, they paid him. There's, in my

49:19

opinion, not a lot of competition for touches. And

49:21

so as long as he stays healthy, I think he's going

49:23

to have a bigger... Is he

49:25

safer than Rashad White? Is Joe

49:28

Mixon safer than White or Jacobs? I

49:31

think if you come out on the side of White still involved

49:33

in the passing game, I'll take White. If you come out on

49:35

the side of White not being as involved in the passing game,

49:37

then I'll take Mixon. Okay. Let's

49:40

go to Derek Henry. Dave,

49:43

why don't you give pros and cons for Henry? The

49:47

guy's machine scores touch-ons like crazy. Last

49:49

year was one of his worst years

49:51

yet. It was fairly easy

49:54

to predict from game to game. He was game

49:56

script dependent. Any average 14.8

49:58

PPR points per game. But

50:00

if we do a little bit of Azerstadting, we go over just the 13

50:03

games, 13 out of 17, where

50:06

he had at least 14 touches. And

50:08

remember, he doesn't catch the ball much. 14

50:10

or more touches. 17.9 PPR points per

50:12

game, 13 touchdowns, seven

50:15

games with 100 total yards, another

50:17

two between 95 and 99 total yards. That

50:21

was on a Tennessee offense. That was

50:23

awful. The offensive line was brutal. The

50:25

quarterback play was gross pretty much every

50:28

single game. Now he's going to Baltimore,

50:31

always a competitive offensive line there.

50:33

A quarterback in Lamar Jackson that defenses have

50:36

to reckon with every single week. And

50:38

now he's the running back in that

50:40

backfield without a lot of competition because

50:42

Keaton Mitchell is still coming back

50:44

from his ACL. They'll be

50:46

ready. They've moved on from Dobbins. They've moved on

50:49

from Gus Edwards. They drafted Rachin Ali. I

50:52

don't know how big of a role he'll have. And

50:54

I'm not saying that Derek Henry's gonna get every role,

50:56

but he's, or every carry, but he's going to get

50:58

all the important ones. And this is a team that

51:00

loves to score from short yardage. Henry's going to be

51:03

their answer there. He's going to be their answer

51:05

when they're killing the clock. I think he's

51:07

absolutely going to be in line to have a

51:09

bounce back year, certainly better than 14.8 PPR points

51:11

per game, probably worth

51:13

penciling in in that 16 range, even

51:16

in full PPR, which means that he's basically 15

51:19

and a half and non PPR. Anything

51:22

that, did you do cons there or just pros? He's

51:25

29 years old. He's

51:27

30, right? And he doesn't catch a ton of passes. He's 30.

51:31

And that is it, right? I mean, is it that simple? He's

51:33

30 and doesn't catch passes. It

51:36

really is. And we spent a lot of

51:38

time on this last year, wins versus losses. Well, the

51:40

Ravens win a lot of games. And so he should

51:42

get an opportunity to have a game script in his

51:44

favor. Dave mentioned the

51:47

offense, really the offensive line. And

51:50

he's 30. By comparison, night and day. And so to

51:52

what he's going to and the team he's going to,

51:54

I mean, imagine if Greg Roman was still the office

51:57

coordinator in Baltimore, my God. But,

51:59

you know. Henry is

52:01

going to dominate carries

52:03

and really if he avoids

52:06

injury, I mean

52:09

I don't think 2000 yards is on the table

52:11

because of Lamar Jackson who just gets 800 yards rolling out

52:13

of bed every time he's been healthy. Derek

52:17

Henry is going to be 1500 plus rushing

52:20

yards and I mean

52:22

Gus Edwards scored 13 rushing touchdowns in this offense. Derek Henry

52:24

could get 18 to 20. So

52:28

to me he's an easy round to pick. I guess

52:30

the one running back in this backfield that could take him

52:33

off the field is Justice Hill who

52:35

for whatever reason this coaching staff really liked him

52:37

last year. He can

52:40

play all three downs but I'd

52:42

be shocked if he had five touches a game. I think

52:44

Derek Henry is going to get a lot

52:46

of work here. A lot of

52:49

work. Maybe in blowouts he won't get quite as many.

52:51

When it's 56 to 19, he won't

52:54

see Derek Henry on the field but when it's

52:56

31-19 he'll be there. I

52:58

guess I have 31. So this is the last

53:00

guy we're going to talk about today and we have

53:03

a best ball show tomorrow but that won't take the

53:05

full time. So we'll probably finish up on this topic

53:07

tomorrow. Tomorrow we'll do Camara, Achan and Ken Walker. But

53:10

to say that Henry is an easy second

53:13

round pick, it's interesting to me

53:15

because I know you like to fade the older guys,

53:17

Jamie. So if the situations is too

53:19

good. I know but if we remove the running backs, right, and

53:21

he's not, if you're on the clock and you've got Jalen

53:24

Waddle, Chris

53:26

Olave, Drake London, these third and fourth

53:28

year guys going into their prime versus

53:30

a 30-year-old with over 2,000 career

53:33

carries who's going to have like

53:35

maybe 70 to 80 fewer catches,

53:37

that might be a lot than those guys. How

53:40

do you take Derek Henry or would you take Derek Henry over

53:43

those? I like their series better. I guess he's not

53:45

an easy round to pick. I

53:47

think I have him ranked 26, 27. So I shouldn't

53:49

say he's an easy round to pick. He's

53:51

in this mix. I mean, you know,

53:53

again, it's hard to overlook his lack

53:55

of role in the passing game. But for him, it's

53:57

kind of been something that he's done his entire career.

54:00

And so, you know, give me

54:02

a number of games for Henry. 16,

54:05

17. He's a workhorse.

54:07

He's a horse. I mean, that's 2000 total

54:10

yards and 18 touchdowns. No way. No

54:14

way. I think you can rush for 1800 yards. All

54:17

right, let me just, isn't

54:20

it so possible that

54:22

we're going, hey, what lessons did we learn in the 2020, 24

54:24

season? Right?

54:27

This is like January of 25. We're like, never

54:29

ever draft a 30 year old running

54:32

back. You know, with, with

54:34

2000 carries, you can't really compare

54:36

him to mostert. The thing is like, you

54:39

can look at, at Henry and kind of

54:41

see a decline. He hasn't been as good

54:43

the last couple of years. Still good. And

54:46

he's 30, he has 2030 carries. He's

54:51

just a freak of nature though. And,

54:54

and all the greats and

54:56

who've played running back in the NFL

54:59

have managed to do well after 30. But

55:02

have they really? Almost

55:04

all of them. Have they had this

55:07

many carries? Yes. Okay.

55:11

So I listen there, there's a decline. I don't expect

55:13

him to average five yards of carry. I

55:15

don't think that he'll have that same, you know,

55:18

like Gus Edwards had five yards for carry for

55:20

a bunch of seasons. I don't think

55:22

he'll have that hyper efficiency just cause he's playing

55:24

with Lamar. Maybe he does. That would

55:26

surprise me. But I think he's,

55:29

I think he's in line to have a very good year worthy

55:32

of a round two, three turn pick. That's

55:35

going to be where he goes in full

55:37

PPR. He's around one pick and non PPR.

55:40

I think he's the easiest one of this

55:42

group to analyze because you, you

55:44

like, you kind of know the only thing is

55:46

like, is he going to, to phase?

55:48

Is he going to start fading? Is he going to

55:50

start playing worse and not really being that good? And

55:53

also Baltimore has three new offensive

55:55

linemen. We talk a lot about their offensive line

55:57

as if it's a given. Well, they.

56:00

They've got a pretty new group this year.

56:02

You trust them to be good. They're just

56:04

Baltimore, and Jackson's gonna create a lot of

56:06

opportunities. But you don't have to, oh, how

56:08

many catches did it get? What kind of roles is it gonna get? It's

56:11

not like Cook, it's not like Pacheco. I have to worry

56:13

about that. Does he get to 25? The McKinnon factor. 25

56:15

catches in 17 games? Probably right around

56:17

there, right? But

56:20

we know what the situation is. This is the question,

56:22

is it father, it's either, is it gonna be Derek

56:24

Henry or father time? Who's gonna win, right? This is

56:27

pretty much that simple? I mean, father time is undefeated,

56:29

so that's clearly a knock against him. But

56:32

is this the year? Right,

56:34

is this the year? That's it, that's all it

56:36

is, right? I mean, he's not, he's- I've

56:39

drafted Henry once. It's the league that

56:41

we're playing out. It's our magazine league.

56:43

And to me, it was an easy

56:46

pick. It was round three, middle of round three.

56:48

I started with Justin Jefferson and Crystal Lavey. So

56:50

it was very, very simple for me to take

56:53

Derek Henry. Now this is a three receiver PPR league, and

56:55

my two running backs are Derek Henry and Najee Harris. So

56:57

I'm not exactly counting on my running backs to

57:00

lead the way from a reception total, but I'm

57:02

only starting two running backs. I've got four receivers

57:04

that are going to, I have five receivers that

57:06

I can rotate in for four spots. So

57:08

I'm not worried about what Derek Henry's reception

57:11

totals are, but you get

57:13

it around three, it should be fairly safe. By

57:15

the way, we can end on this.

57:17

You're looking for the comp for Rashad White. Najee

57:21

Harris has played 17 games every single year. He's gone from

57:23

307 to 272 to 255 carries. He

57:29

has a good running mate. I don't know that that

57:31

exists in Tampa Bay, but that would be more of

57:33

the comp. It's like Harris

57:36

wasn't good enough to justify all those

57:38

carries. But again, the

57:41

counter to that would be, Rashad White went

57:43

from 50 catches to 64. Yeah.

57:48

Year one to year two, that's why you're

57:50

drafting Rashad. No, I understand. I just, that

57:53

was- And Najee hasn't been replaced yet. He

57:56

hasn't, but Jalen Warren has cut

57:58

into his work because- just

58:00

isn't as good as Jaylen Warren. All

58:02

right, so we have talked about James

58:04

Cook, Pacheco, Rashad White, Josh

58:07

Jacobs, Joe Mixon, and Derek

58:09

Henry. Six running backs. We'll

58:12

finish the show. How do you rank them? The

58:17

names again? They are

58:20

Cook, Pacheco, White,

58:23

Jacobs, Mixon, Henry. Okay.

58:27

I've got Pacheco. Cook, White. Oh,

58:30

go ahead, Jay. Cook, Pacheco, White, Henry,

58:34

Mixon, Jacobs. After

58:39

all the changes I made today, I've

58:42

got Pacheco, White, Jacobs, Henry, Cook, Mixon,

58:44

and I've got a couple of guys between

58:46

Cook and Mixon. I don't

58:48

understand why it is so hard for these two

58:51

people in this chat to understand the point I

58:53

am making about Rashad White. I hope everyone else

58:55

is clear. Obviously, I'm drafting him ahead of Najee

58:57

Harris. Duh, forget it.

58:59

All right, that's it

59:01

for us. And Dynasty's coming up right

59:03

now. Hopefully, Heath will talk about that blockbusting. You know, I'm

59:05

gonna ask Heath if I can come on the show and

59:09

talk about our big blockbuster trade. You don't have

59:11

to ask Heath. You can just get the link

59:13

from the shop. Yeah,

59:16

in Neighbors. I got Neighbors. Okay. The top,

59:18

yeah. Send him the link and he'll just

59:20

dive bomb the show. And everyone's in

59:23

on it, but Heath. Okay, see y'all.

59:25

I love you all, chat. I love you

59:27

all. Till

59:29

tomorrow, best ball, and we'll finish this discussion

59:32

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59:34

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