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Welcome back to Chéfennoire. It's

3:42

like a bit of a greenhouse today, isn't it? But

3:45

I can't open the window because of

3:48

the flight path situation. This is

3:50

Monday. We play Tuesday.

3:52

Lots to discuss. Let's

3:56

have a quick update once you

3:58

have digested that said. Biscuit

4:01

group A finished on Sunday

4:03

Scotland sadly out. I

4:05

know yeah I

4:08

really thought

4:10

they were going to beat them because they really

4:12

haven't turned up for us in their own words

4:14

as well to be fair. They haven't been at

4:16

it at it. In what world

4:18

though is that not a penalty

4:20

right? It is the

4:23

clearest penalty I've seen I think

4:25

game plan. They've stayed

4:27

tight, they haven't gone gung-ho, yes they've

4:29

sort of played with themselves thinking if

4:32

it gets to as we saw the

4:34

last 10 minutes it's gonna it'll be a you

4:37

know it'll be a toe-to-toe

4:40

fist fight. But that is

4:42

the most blatant penalty. Why

4:44

hasn't someone gone? I don't

4:46

know. In the VR game. Hang on. No. Can

4:50

we do that? I don't even know the rules now

4:52

can they do that? Yeah. It's clear it's a clear

4:54

and obvious error and at some

4:56

point someone had to go hang on a minute let's have

4:58

a look at this. I was waiting like

5:00

the game sort of kicked off again I was

5:02

going they're obviously gonna call this back. This is

5:04

a difficult group wasn't it from? Yeah but I

5:06

would yeah you can say they

5:09

were a bit you know a bit gun-shy and and

5:11

all that but I would be just really

5:13

cross because four minutes off whatever it was

5:16

to go and and you get

5:18

that you know it's a penalty. That's

5:21

it. That's it.

5:23

So Scotland's sadly

5:25

out. Germany I mean

5:28

I was Switzerland

5:30

won up weren't they right until the end and

5:32

I was thinking oh because in my

5:34

head like we're gonna win our group. I was

5:37

like Germany's got to win

5:39

that group because I don't want to face Germany. Don't

5:41

want to face Germany next round do we?

5:44

Yes. No. We're just clicking into gear. Group

5:46

B will be done by the time you

5:48

hear this. Spain are already through. Spain for

5:52

me are the... They look dangerous John. I called them at

5:54

the start didn't I? Did you? Yeah

5:56

I think you're fine. They're the kind of why Rob the producer giving

5:58

me that. I don't know about that Jim. But

6:00

I think you'll find it's all other socials. I would say

6:02

they're the best. They look the best

6:04

team. They performed

6:07

the best in my opinion. This

6:11

is the thing. There's no one that I've

6:13

seen. I know we

6:15

haven't played particularly well, but there's no one that I've seen

6:17

who's gone, oh wow. It's early doors

6:19

isn't it? No one's put foot to the

6:21

throttle yet have I? Yeah. So

6:23

England will get us to England and say, it's

6:26

up with the group. See, that's

6:28

all that matters there. I'm looking at that group

6:30

seeing them four points, Denmark two points, Selenia

6:33

two points, Serbia one point. Yep. And

6:36

group four finishes on Tuesday. I don't... Sorry,

6:39

group D, also known as group four.

6:43

Sometimes deal with that Jim. Just mix it up a bit,

6:45

you know. It's not all about

6:47

the alphabet, you know. A bit overrated. What about

6:49

numbers? So,

6:52

Netherlands, France, Austria, Poland.

6:57

This always happens. You don't

6:59

watch all the games, because you've

7:01

got lives and jobs and things like that. But then it

7:03

gets to, like last night, where

7:05

both games are on eight o'clock and it's the last of the group

7:07

games and you're thinking, oh, it's halfway

7:10

through already and you start missing it.

7:12

Yeah, yeah, I know, mate. It's been

7:14

good, Dad. It's been brilliant. It's been

7:16

brilliant and it's going to get better, right, Jim?

7:19

Go on. The dust

7:21

has settled on the wall. One draw

7:23

with Denmark. A lot has been

7:25

written and said. There has been a lot

7:27

said. Firstly, though, where did you watch it?

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went up to Men's... I had a gig with Asda. I've

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look like one. Is that where you're going with it?

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No, I just look like one of the Golden Girls.

7:54

Basically, I went up there and... I don't know

7:57

whether I'm sweating up or it's just roasting in

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technical ability as other countries but

22:02

have repeatedly failed to deliver? Good

22:05

question. I'd love to know. I really

22:08

would like to sit down there with

22:10

some of our top players and ask them that.

22:13

Like what is the difference? I think that's

22:15

the only question I'd like to ask. Or do they

22:17

see any difference and what is that? What do you

22:20

feel when you're in the game? And I don't think

22:22

none of us can answer that. I don't even think

22:24

Garris Southgate can sometimes answer them little questions. I just

22:26

think it's in the moment and Stones...

22:28

Are you Stones example because he's a ball-playing

22:30

centre-half. We want to be that. That's what

22:32

I think everyone wants to see. He's won

22:34

a lot with Man City so I'm using

22:36

him as an example. I'd love to sit

22:38

down with him and just go what's the

22:40

difference? Yeah. Give me

22:42

your honest opinion. No shit. No cameras there. Just

22:44

what is the difference? Because I think

22:46

he might say a few things. Do you get what

22:48

I mean? I'm not seeing as many

22:50

angles. I'm not seeing... I don't know. I don't know

22:53

but there is a difference. Yeah. There's a clear difference.

22:55

What is it? He might say, I don't

22:58

know. Just feel the heaviness. It's just heavy. It's

23:00

just hard. Or he might say the other teams

23:02

are just as good. It's hard to play against.

23:04

Opposition. They're good. I don't know. I'd

23:06

love to ask that. I don't know. Greg on

23:08

X has asked what

23:11

are we missing as fans when it comes

23:13

to Southgate's England vision? Or

23:15

have the players all of a sudden lost

23:17

their confidence to grab games, buy the balls

23:19

and have a right go at the opposition?

23:21

Over the years managers never ever pleased every

23:23

fan. And I

23:25

just think longer Southgate's been in charge.

23:28

People just questioning him. I'm gonna

23:31

put me in line with this. Whoever

23:34

you pick, it's just hard. Look, if I

23:36

was... Say Garz is my mate, right? Garz

23:38

is my mate. I'd say, yeah, you can

23:40

pepper him for whatever form... But we're further

23:42

on now than, oh, formations and why ain't

23:44

he playing him and him? Whatever

23:47

formation you're gonna do, that shirt's gonna be

23:49

heavy. Yeah. Like, whatever formation you play, whatever

23:51

players you play, it's gonna be tough. You're

23:53

not gonna come out of a formation all

23:56

of a sudden beat them up 3-0. Like,

23:59

get fucking real... That ain't

24:01

gonna happen. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like...

24:04

Don't make this shirt heavier. He could have picked the number

24:07

of formations. It ain't gonna be that much better. It's just

24:09

hard. The subs come on. Do they make a matter of an impact?

24:11

Not really. It's fucking hard. You're an

24:14

international level football. You expect us to go and

24:16

pop them off the pitch and beat them up

24:18

3-0. Get

24:21

real. And use now all of a sudden, because

24:23

you're changing the formation. You're putting him on the

24:26

right, put Harry... Shut

24:28

up, Derek. It ain't happening. Yeah.

24:31

Sorry. Next one is from Derek, actually. No, it's not.

24:35

Lots of people asking the same thing. Kirby,

24:37

Sky Maria Daines, Matt Davidson, Liam

24:40

Brett, Josh Smith, Matt Cosnett. They

24:43

want to know our starting 11ths for

24:45

Tuesday. Starting 11th for Tuesday, what

24:47

I would play. Again,

24:50

do I think it's got to make a massive difference? They make a little

24:52

bit of a difference. Give some new faces

24:54

a run out. But

24:56

then you've got that thing, I think you're aware,

24:59

and I don't think you can look at it like this. I'm just giving you what I've

25:01

heard and little bits of how it's

25:04

going to be. If you drop the players that

25:06

aren't really performed and the ones that you don't

25:08

really fancy as Gareth's Earthgate, you hinder them. But,

25:10

yeah, look, you've got big balls as an England manager. You're going

25:12

to have to affect someone somewhere. I would.

25:15

I'd give Cole Palmer a run out. Yeah. Just

25:18

to see if he can just add a bit of spark, a

25:20

bit of something different. That's

25:22

why I'd have loved Maders and Groogly Share, but I'm going back...

25:25

I'm dabbling back into what the fans do. Yeah.

25:28

And that's just my honest opinion. But, yeah, look, if I

25:30

was going to change anything, I'd give

25:32

Cole Palmer a run out. I'll try and mix it up a bit. And

25:34

I think that's what he'll do. Josh, and... And by the way, I'm just...

25:36

Sorry, Venice, I'm just using Cole Palmer a bit. He can give me no

25:38

a go. You can give a few others, can't... Yeah. Anthony

25:41

Gordon. Gallagher in there starting. Anthony Gordon, yeah.

25:43

So you could mix it right up and

25:46

just see if they turn up. And you might find,

25:48

with a bit of fresh blood, as in not adding

25:50

England jersey for long, you

25:53

might find they play a little bit less pressure or go,

25:55

I've got a chance here. I'm

25:57

going to grab it. I

25:59

have a feeling... we're gonna come out and really put

26:01

on a performance. I don't think it'll

26:03

happen next game, I think you'll see a different

26:06

knockout stage, I'll tell you one thing we are

26:08

fucking good at grinding result. Yeah

26:11

when all this is said and done

26:13

we're hard to beat. Yeah. And

26:16

that's good at a knockout stage if you're hard

26:18

to beat, do you get what I mean? Greg

26:20

B asks is it time to drop Kane to

26:22

get the best out of our other attacking players?

26:26

He dropped Kane and then numbers, does

26:28

that like, I'll be honest with

26:30

that question, that doesn't belong here. No. That's

26:33

Gareth Southgate, you can't be arse at the

26:35

Gaysk, aren't you? But

26:37

I would also say Harry Kane's numbers,

26:39

do the math. Yeah,

26:41

do the what? Math. I

26:44

will do the math. Yeah, you better math. Yeah,

26:47

no I'm with you on that. See have a way of looking at

26:49

how big are your balls? Gareth

26:51

Southgate might hold out and go no that's what I

26:53

believe in, we're gonna go and I love it to

26:55

just do it. I'd be like screaming in

26:58

the rafters, it'd be

27:00

great. And I think we all want that

27:02

as fans but I just think people just

27:04

need jerk reaction, don't they? So Jim, the

27:08

overriding feeling in this kitchen

27:11

is positive. Yeah, positive. Did

27:13

I expect more? Yeah, I expect a bit free-flared for

27:16

I suppose the boys would have. Yeah. Football

27:18

don't always pan out how you expect, John. We

27:21

all know that and I just think mega

27:25

slam for four points, top

27:28

of the table and

27:30

I think it's in the jerk reaction, yeah, I think it's

27:32

slightly over, I get where the fans are coming

27:35

from obviously, I get what they're saying but it's over the top.

27:37

Yeah. What do you think? I think that it was one of

27:39

those weird games, it

27:43

was like the

27:45

Iceland game where it just felt

27:48

it was difficult and

27:50

it was just kind of sort

27:53

of spread through the team a bit and it was like, right,

27:55

we know this is happening, we know if they could have all

27:57

gone, it's not that they're all a little bit of a mess.