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that how a rak himself? Timothy

1:04

shallow me in, didn't he Villeneuve

1:06

Much anticipated follow up to his

1:08

twenty twenty one film. Did Villeneuve

1:10

find the narrow path to satisfy

1:12

the few. Dune skeptics out there

1:14

Adam including you? Well, whoever had

1:16

the idea to release by said

1:18

to my theater was definitely on

1:20

the right track. Intriguing. A review

1:22

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1:24

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1:35

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1:46

Depending on when you're listening to this,

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1:55

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1:58

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to do in part to

2:41

the highly anticipated sequel that

2:43

finally made it to theaters

2:45

last weekend. This film introduces

2:47

several new characters to an

2:49

already large and sambal including

2:52

those played by Florence Few,

2:54

Austin Butler, Christopher Walken, and

2:56

Leah Say though but it

2:58

begins just. Where it's Twenty Twenty

3:00

One Predecessor left off with Timothy

3:02

Shall amazed Paula Treaties and his

3:04

mother, Rebecca Ferguson's lady Jessica embedded

3:06

with the From in the native

3:08

people of the desert planet or

3:10

rackets, Paul just might be the

3:13

long awaited messiah. The presents cataracts,

3:15

but for the time being he

3:17

is eager to earn his place

3:19

among the From and including a

3:21

warrior named Johnny played by Sunday

3:23

or. Your blood

3:25

comes to books. Trade

3:28

Houses. We're.

3:33

Here. For equal

3:36

men and women alike. Been

3:40

rumored to be. More.

3:53

Maybe it's peace. Now.

4:03

If you're all in underneath Villeneuve

4:05

dude cells and many people are

4:07

judging from the response to do

4:09

in part to on Metacritic where

4:11

the movie or received quote generally

4:13

favorable ratings from critics and quote

4:15

universal acclaim from users a reaction

4:17

that pretty much matches but I've

4:19

noticed scrolling by and letterbox to

4:22

then hearing that scene between Timothy,

4:24

Charlemagne, Paul and Sunday as Chinese

4:26

might carry some movie magic but

4:28

for me Adam. Know. Bit

4:30

of dialogue is going to

4:32

truly capture what is special

4:34

about Villeneuve projects. like the

4:36

first film Dude, Part Two

4:38

is a movie intricately envisioned

4:41

and tactfully imagined. Watching it.

4:43

For. Me is a bodily experience. I

4:45

was trying to describe this once when

4:48

I wrote about the movie and the

4:50

only thing I could think I was

4:52

to say that this is a film

4:54

that gets in your nostrils. Consider another

4:57

better seen I think between Paul in

4:59

Chinese. at one point as their friendship

5:01

begins to take the form of a

5:04

courtship, Johnny shows Paul how to sand

5:06

walk, randomly move about the desert so

5:08

as to not attract the attention of

5:11

the giant carnivorous worms living beneath Villeneuve

5:13

and Cinematographer. Greg Fraser shoot the

5:15

scene at Dusk from a

5:17

respectful distance so that this

5:19

potentially silly moment registers instead

5:22

as a romantic dance number.

5:24

or at least. A. Pantomime

5:26

of One we have these two

5:28

lonely figures finding an instant said

5:30

connection in the vast empty harshness

5:32

of the ruckus. Do per to

5:34

adds another element to the series

5:36

Palette be on the play of

5:38

sand and lights that we get

5:40

in that scene this time. Water

5:42

to is a recurring motif. Perhaps

5:44

that's something we can talk about

5:46

further. this to for me had

5:48

a presence I could feel while

5:50

sitting in the theater awash in

5:53

the movies, sounds and images. Now

5:55

with the. First film Adam, such

5:57

things weren't quite enough for you despite

5:59

Admiral for many the production elements you

6:01

wanted more from Twenty Twenty One's Dune.

6:04

While. Per to certainly gives us more

6:06

more characters, more politics, more worms, more

6:09

desert. but was it more of the

6:11

right stuff's. Did. This to get

6:13

in your nostrils or have you yet

6:15

to appreciate the harsh beauty of Iraq?

6:17

Us. Know bit

6:19

of dialogues your line there I see,

6:22

I see got didn't even lives talking

6:24

points Wasn't he out there on the

6:26

circuit last week making making waves because

6:29

of a big interview where he explained

6:31

that he he hates dialogue doesn't care

6:33

about it at all. he's he's of

6:35

course of visual storyteller so okay didn't

6:38

know that get at yeah it's tracks

6:40

yeah of of course it does and

6:42

I was extremely optimistic. After.

6:45

The opening of dune park

6:48

to. I. Thought the

6:50

action was compelling enough, but what I

6:52

really loved was a to it's that

6:54

suggested Villeneuve was going to continue doing

6:57

something he did well in part one

6:59

I thought and another that suggested maybe

7:01

he was going to rectify a problem

7:03

I had with part one and both

7:06

relate to Paul and Lady Jessica as

7:08

they're separated from the friend than during

7:10

a harken an attack. But. From

7:13

and who ambush the Harkin and

7:15

in their high atop this desert

7:17

cliff when the From and Suit

7:19

the heart didn't. Dead

7:21

bodies fall to the ground. And.

7:24

They'll most fall on top of

7:26

mother and son. They generate this

7:28

tremendous thought. which just boomed

7:30

in the theater. The the sound design

7:33

as in part one is one of

7:35

the real achievements of due in part

7:37

to. It was that

7:39

tactile, witty we touched on in

7:41

our discussion or revisit of doing

7:43

for once, not just. Blasting

7:46

bad guys whose bodies

7:48

disappear when they drop.

7:50

There's still this physical threat and

7:53

that's physicality that that wheat did

7:55

he give those bodies. That's that's

7:58

so crucial to Villeneuve the World

8:00

Building. Jessica.

8:02

Then. Has. To basically saved Paul

8:05

save her son at one point is

8:07

being lined up in the gun sights

8:09

of one of the Harkin and and

8:11

after she saves them see admonishes him.

8:14

She. Tells him to never turn your back.

8:16

I don't know what the exact line is,

8:18

but never turn your back. She's really angry

8:20

with him. It. Was

8:22

Jessica being what she was

8:24

in the first half of Part

8:27

One which is this very

8:29

formidable presence. Who. Is also

8:31

a mother said she's talking to

8:33

him. They're just as a mother

8:35

Woods as small as it was

8:38

that moment to me suggested that

8:40

first Humanity. And. What I

8:42

mean by that is the full

8:44

range of who see his and

8:46

that complex relationship with her son

8:48

was going to be hopefully at

8:50

the heart of this movie. Another

8:52

relationship I need to be invested

8:54

in was Sunny and Paul. And

8:57

although I'm still not sold overall on

8:59

Sunday as performance as Johnny fast forwarding

9:02

just a little that there is a

9:04

moment she gets after. Will.

9:06

Just say Paul displays. Undeniably

9:08

even to a skeptic like her

9:11

that he is special. And

9:14

lots of other people are watching as well.

9:16

And her first reaction. Is

9:18

to be thrilled for this man

9:20

that see. I think at

9:22

this point we can say love. Maybe it's

9:24

actually your second reaction, just because her first

9:26

reaction seems to be joy that he didn't

9:29

die, which was a very real possibility. But

9:31

then we get a third reaction and don't

9:33

have doesn't underline it too much. We.

9:35

Just get this quick close up

9:37

of her face as she observes

9:39

that I'm gonna use this word

9:41

very deliberately here very intentionally as

9:44

she observes the rapturous response. Of

9:47

everyone around her, of the other

9:49

friend and without her. Or.

9:51

Anyone else saying a word? We

9:53

understand what see his understanding in

9:55

that moment which is the things

9:57

will never be the same between

9:59

them. Again, so you know

10:01

Villeneuve will get the spectacle right? The.

10:04

Question is about the human drama,

10:06

those narrative steaks that I thought

10:08

were introduced but not sufficiently developed

10:10

in part. It

10:13

almost. All connected impart to

10:15

Josh. It's almost did ice.

10:17

I never. Found. This

10:19

film to completely live up to

10:21

the expectations it's set. By.

10:25

That opening. and by that first opening, let's

10:27

say ninety two hundred minutes. But it sounds

10:29

like you're in a little bit of different

10:31

place than I am. The the spectacle of

10:33

it did carry the day. Yeah, I think

10:35

it's just a matter of you know how

10:37

much weight you give to the things you

10:39

appreciate and how much weight to give to

10:41

the things that are lacking. There are certain

10:43

certainly things that are lacking in this or

10:45

film. I am not among the more rapturous

10:47

reviewers of the movie that I've seen. I

10:49

wish I could be armed, and I think

10:52

we probably will share some of those things

10:54

in common. That that held. Us back from

10:56

been in that department. but I'm so

10:58

glad you called out that opening. If

11:00

I if eleven year old me had

11:02

seen the first ten minutes of Dune,

11:04

I probably would have been willing to

11:06

like toss Star Wars away, toss her

11:08

to the Rings, or use that. That

11:11

sequence you described so well is beautifully

11:13

rendered. Hub hobbled even before the her

11:15

can start falling. The way they float

11:17

up that run games are using their

11:19

suits at It's It Is It is

11:21

happening there. You could not convince me

11:23

that that wasn't happening. That. We worked

11:25

on this planet and that's what these

11:28

people were doing Am. so that is.

11:30

and it's It's more than just the

11:32

action and the visuals. There are those

11:34

character dynamics that you're describing as well.

11:36

They do pick up from the end

11:39

of the first film that makes it

11:41

such a standout sequence. and I'm with

11:43

you that that's carried through for probably

11:45

wasn't good hundred minutes. There is the

11:47

Gorilla Attacks sequence on the Hark On

11:50

In Harvesters that are Paul and Shiny

11:52

are a part of I think that

11:54

is also. I'm not only

11:56

brilliantly envision as an action sequence,

11:58

but speak to their done namic

12:01

their relationships which to me is

12:03

stronger on screen as friends and

12:05

compatriots in this struggle, then as

12:07

lovers that is that does feel

12:10

rushed. It it's I'm not saying

12:12

it's the fault of the performances,

12:14

but I don't think the performances

12:16

sell it either. I just don't

12:19

know if it's given the time

12:21

or the context it needs to

12:23

register beyond the moment I described

12:25

of those little touches that suggests

12:28

a connection that the more traditionally.

12:30

Prosaic romantic exchanges just don't Salts

12:32

I'll admit that, but these I

12:34

mention this when we revisited. you

12:36

know I'm doing a couple weeks

12:38

ago. The first film is one

12:40

of the things that I couldn't

12:42

wait to see. Now that knew

12:45

we getting to the friends world

12:47

was these places that they were

12:49

be Sieges and this is all

12:51

the first half of the movie

12:53

to where we are introduced to

12:55

these cavernous layers that somehow still

12:57

allow lights. It reminded me of

12:59

it was a couple of months

13:01

ago I was totally unfamiliar with

13:03

Displace until it was in a

13:05

National Geographic story. But Alhambra. This

13:08

this Muslim fortress built in Spain

13:10

like around twelve hundred? or it

13:12

just is. Gorgeous, enormous complex and

13:14

you can see the influence of

13:16

that sort of architecture in the

13:18

production design of June of this

13:20

movie or Patrice Vermette production designer

13:22

here. There are just these the

13:24

from and live in these cavernous

13:26

spaces that somehow by their shape

13:28

invite the light just. So to

13:31

create what would be natural room

13:33

lighting that is gorgeous, the inscriptions

13:35

on the surfaces everywhere, and then

13:38

these unexpected fountains or pools and

13:40

gardens, This is all the stuff

13:42

I was hoping for. And

13:45

I get and again it's not

13:47

simply visual, it speaks to this

13:49

the majdic portrait of the from

13:52

and culture not entirely but largely

13:54

been one of I'm in tune

13:56

with the surroundings, in tune with

13:59

this landscapes. Rather than against it

14:01

rather than stating it you see this

14:03

in the costume design. To write they

14:05

have to adapt with the the knows

14:08

things on but otherwise they're wearing I'm

14:10

fabrics and drapery that flows with the

14:12

landscape as opposed to the Her Conan

14:14

who are in these armored suits and

14:17

they need another great costume design detail.

14:19

The stay and on the back of

14:21

the Her Conan soulmates that that is

14:23

spinning of I just love something like

14:25

that So this is all stars that.

14:28

Was. Just hearing it's it is so

14:31

well done. It's not just that it's

14:33

well, it's done well like the Creator.

14:35

A recent film was I think we

14:38

mentioned in our Dune revisits For me,

14:40

the gap in something like Creator Between

14:42

the World Building which was excellent and

14:45

the narrative was too huge for me

14:47

to entirely give myself over to the

14:49

Creator even though I liked it here

14:52

dune the expertise of this stuff I'm

14:54

describing and how it does connect for

14:56

me with character and steam. Was

14:59

at such a high level that it

15:01

does carry me over through that. Other

15:03

stuff that isn't the last may be

15:06

hour or so that gets in the

15:08

way. A lot of this for me.

15:10

It was. Slightly. Character

15:12

but also I think Adam

15:14

motivation I no longer could

15:16

hook into the motivations of

15:19

these. Various characters

15:21

especially the new ones who are introduce.

15:23

Some of them are clear but a

15:25

lot of them are not and their

15:27

contradictory. It's another the way that is

15:29

ambiguous or oh how's that going to

15:32

reveal itself That they were just playing.

15:34

Confusing for me and both you cards

15:36

on the table. Neither of us have

15:38

read Frank Herbert bucks so we're coming

15:40

out this: you're completely. A new but those

15:43

are the things that held me back. But

15:45

I did want to spend time on these

15:47

other mouth elements that are so well done

15:49

that I have whatever it would take us.

15:51

It would take a huge failure in the

15:53

last hour to lose me and I don't

15:55

think due in part to sales in that

15:57

way. You. Mention motivations and

15:59

yeah, That's. So.

16:01

Crucial to everything. I'm

16:04

expressing when I talk about some

16:06

of that human drama and really

16:08

just drama in general. The narrative

16:11

steaks rely on fully understanding and

16:13

being fully invested in those character

16:15

motivations. And I get it. if

16:18

you're is taken with this world

16:20

building is you are. It

16:23

would be hard for it to

16:25

really miss Step In that last

16:27

night year hundred minutes or so

16:29

for me. Even with those awesome

16:31

visual flourishes, there was no way

16:33

to. Totally. Avoid the

16:35

tedium that accompanies seventeen more

16:37

narrative threads having to be

16:40

established some you know what

16:42

carry over to the next

16:44

movie when their introduce some.

16:47

Are. Being tied together here. In

16:49

being tied together here too

16:52

quickly. And when I mention

16:54

awesome visual flourishes, do I

16:56

mention awesome visual flourishes? You

16:58

eloquently described the seaters. How

17:01

about the contrast the contrasts with

17:03

the world of the friend? then?

17:05

Yeah, yeah yeah, I crime that

17:07

that choice that out. I'll just

17:09

be on a site. I did

17:12

not devote enough time today to

17:14

really thinking about how I wanted

17:16

to articulate this, because there's probably

17:18

a much more intellectual way to

17:20

say it. Just. I

17:22

just noticed of course that. Even

17:25

though he is, this world is

17:27

completely devoid of color. literally devoid

17:30

of color and completely miss seem

17:32

like and. It's

17:34

color palette is black and

17:36

white and gray somehow. We.

17:39

Get this choice here by Villeneuve.

17:41

When we get outside of the

17:43

interior spaces of Getting Prime and

17:45

we get into the open like

17:47

this this coliseum as showdown that

17:49

we get. It somehow

17:51

becomes even more monochromatic. Yeah, he

17:53

becomes like something straight off of

17:56

a black and whites comic book

17:58

page. And there's a. The Me:

18:00

Sam and I were just talking about

18:02

this a little bit briefly today. Something

18:04

we agreed on over slack is that.

18:07

One of the downsides of this film?

18:09

devoting as much time as it does

18:11

to a character we haven't mentioned yet.

18:13

They'd rather be played by Austin Butler

18:16

and the the Harkin is as well,

18:18

taking on an even bigger role in

18:20

this film. One of the downsides is.

18:23

The. World of This film then becomes

18:25

a little gloomy, are a little darker,

18:27

and you don't have characters like Jason

18:30

Mamo as Duncan Idaho to offset some

18:32

of that a little bit in terms

18:34

of just the humor and the lightness.

18:36

Even even Josh Brolin when he reappears

18:38

in this film. I was hoping for

18:41

some of that likeness to come through

18:43

in the relationship. I mean, I know,

18:45

like Duncan Idaho is fundamentally a warrior,

18:47

but I still thought because of the

18:49

real affection. See. Has for

18:52

Paul and vice versa that that

18:54

maybe we would get some of

18:56

that lighter touch, but we really

18:59

don't And so the movie. The

19:01

movie becomes pretty bleak still watching

19:03

it as a viewer seen Getty

19:05

Prime, seeing those choices the Villeneuve

19:08

makes in terms of that that

19:10

monochrome world and then. Going.

19:12

So far as to have the

19:15

touches were when there's a celebration.

19:17

And. We get fireworks and as

19:20

well as what are the fireworks the

19:22

fireworks are. Are these ink blots? Yeah,

19:24

it's the skies I I did love.

19:26

I did love every bit. As I

19:29

wanna hear it sounds like you saw

19:31

that similarly or similar. Really enjoyed that

19:33

world, despite the fact that it seems

19:35

utterly devoid of Joyce. we enjoyed it.

19:38

Sitting. As. A viewer it

19:40

our theater seats and then I also

19:42

want to hear from you just next

19:45

in terms of the new characters who

19:47

are introduce i mentioned butler you've listed

19:49

i'm in your setup. Was there some

19:51

one that stood out as far as

19:53

being a real star? Someone you are

19:56

grateful Added their towels to this film.

19:58

Did anyone disappointing. Yeah.

20:00

Good question Efforts: Getty Prime That sequence

20:02

goes. It is interesting to think about

20:04

how it might hit us. If.

20:07

It had been separated and delivered in

20:09

installments. Arm were rather than this long

20:11

chunk were were introduced to Butler's character

20:14

and spend a lot of time with

20:16

him. Season it does make that monochromatic

20:18

world sink in more and feels heavier.

20:21

I think that's what you're describing and

20:23

there is a benefit to that, but

20:25

it it. It does feel little disjointed

20:28

in the balance of the overall narrative

20:30

of I would I would agree with

20:32

that, but the visual, the way it's

20:35

visualized is on par with everything. Else

20:37

I described in terms of Iraq as but. Obviously.

20:39

A completely different a pallet in scheme. and

20:42

it's also tides. You know that that idea

20:44

of water I hinted at it for me

20:46

introducing water so much into this and it

20:48

happens very early on in that first action

20:51

sequence where the from in try to drain

20:53

the water from the bodies of the harken

20:55

soldiers and I don't. they see something like

20:57

it's too polluted to you. Yeah, it, they

20:59

react. They still do what they get some

21:02

use out of it. but they basically. To

21:04

do everything they my yeah of because because

21:07

of the blue because it has is and

21:09

I'm and and it's just the first instance

21:11

that water Throughout this movie we were introduced

21:13

to this sacred pool that the from and

21:15

have where the waters when I went up

21:17

compatriot of there's Dies they take the water

21:20

out of the body and put it into

21:22

this pool and they won't drink at They

21:24

won't reuse it because it's sacred. Sought some

21:26

water throughout. Here is. You

21:28

know it represents power of life whereas

21:30

the her cannons. And

21:32

this is their their drained and

21:34

lifeless black and white planet is is

21:37

visually suggesting this is representing the power

21:39

of death it is. It is

21:41

absolutely destitute drained. there is is no

21:43

in a watery life to be sounds

21:46

air arm and so that that is

21:48

ties in with one of things

21:50

I appreciate about the that the Getty

21:52

Prime sequence. As far as new characters

21:55

great sense of it's kind of

21:57

fun that so many are introduced even

21:59

though. It brings in narrative

22:01

complications and motivational complications. But

22:03

would you look at that?

22:06

That cast to the names they've managed

22:08

to gets, I thought butler. Was.

22:10

Pretty incredible and were both huge fans

22:13

of him as Elvis and so we're

22:15

may be going in you know, kind

22:17

of kind of rooting for him but

22:20

this I don't want to call it

22:22

can't be because in my mind I

22:24

always think of camp as something that

22:26

is unintentionally comedic can handle their debates

22:29

about what camp exactly means that that's

22:31

what I think of have kept his

22:33

eight I don't adding Butler's in complete

22:35

control of everything his keys doing here

22:38

yet. By. Bringing that Elvis charisma

22:40

to it easy sort of. He's like

22:42

this night club nose for us to

22:44

with which are season. It's hundred charm.

22:46

and yes he's. Very scary

22:48

and very threat rain. And yes he's

22:51

making a choice like the Baron his

22:53

let me see if I have the

22:55

right I believe uncle right now I'm

22:57

play by Stone Scars Guards Butler also

22:59

decides you don't awesome to throw in

23:01

here. Not only a little Elvis but

23:04

a little Stellan Skarsgard in my vocalizations.

23:06

And so that's the kind of. It

23:09

worked for me. It is the kind of

23:11

choice some could you. I could easily see

23:13

zone be like okay all right, back up

23:15

a little bit. You're just the villain is

23:17

the pursuit. Of you don't know how did

23:19

so much into us but a carrier is

23:22

it? Just do anything. Though. I

23:24

you know that it might figure

23:26

that out. I think that's it.

23:28

And I'm you know I did.

23:30

You have to go this outright.

23:32

You have to Didn't really make

23:34

this character register. So for me,

23:36

I enjoyed what Butler was bringing

23:39

here, even though he was incredibly

23:41

creepy. I don't think there's anything

23:43

wrong with a performance by think

23:45

Florence Pew gets caught up a

23:47

little bit in the narrative complications/character

23:49

motivation slashed screen time. Ah trump

23:51

that. Expanding things this widely. Are.

23:55

Just inescapably going to have you know

23:57

Plate played the daughter of the. Emperor

24:00

played by Christopher Walken. I'm still

24:02

at a loss. Adam, You know

24:04

why. Why did the Emperor? Who's

24:07

behind all this like you know kicked off

24:09

or can it out to bring the afraid

24:11

is in only to have the her couldn't

24:13

come back and and is Florence Pew in

24:15

her opening voiceover seems skeptical about this Than

24:17

later, she's on board and and what's her

24:19

role in the season connection with the Betty?

24:21

Just don't get me started on the Bunny

24:24

Jazz or it. I mean this this daybed

24:26

they got it gets. I hope they know

24:28

what they're doing because on screen they don't

24:30

seem to know what they're doing. yet they

24:32

seem to be in charge of everything. And

24:34

so that's been a frustrating narrative thread to

24:36

I'm. That at bite My high school

24:38

daughter's all over the weekend and we

24:40

we had to go out to the

24:42

suburbs this afternoon. Sweet a long rides

24:45

I think we spent the majority of

24:47

the time like so is this what

24:49

the Buddy Jones or lot of the

24:51

why did they do this and difference

24:53

pew like her father and his see

24:55

an idea is a legitimate questions Yeah

24:57

they are though though I think some

24:59

of them are also legitimate questions that

25:01

the movie does one oppose and have

25:04

us wrestle with and hasn't. Tried.

25:06

To answer just yet in some cases.

25:08

Now. For. Few

25:10

here's my snarky line. Just I thought of

25:12

earlier today. We. see

25:15

somehow watching the last third of due

25:17

in part to while she was getting

25:19

his performance because. She.

25:21

Seems like she's really bored. C

25:23

C is absolutely in. This is

25:25

an actress. We both. Really

25:28

appreciates and she seems like she

25:30

is sleep walking. Studious. Perform

25:32

it is a little My Billie. That's

25:34

a little Things I say that I

25:36

think about Lynch's Dude and and the

25:38

Sleepwalkers and what he does with dreams

25:40

and that Cel Mckenna wish there was

25:43

a little more that's here as I

25:45

did with part one as well. But

25:47

see, just yeah. Aloof is is a

25:49

very charitable way to put it. There

25:51

is nothing about her character that draws

25:53

you. To her and wants

25:55

to know. What she's thinking, Where

25:57

she's planning. Some of those questions that. You're

26:00

saying the the movie wants to

26:02

pose, I need her, even with

26:04

her fairly limited screen time to

26:06

to show me those machinations. And

26:08

it's not that. Now I know.

26:11

I. Know she's going to end up being

26:13

a huge part shirt. Of part

26:15

three, that that's obvious, but

26:18

here, it doesn't completely work.

26:20

And then you've got butler

26:22

who. I'm. With you

26:24

I think is very good. I think

26:26

he is incredibly charismatic and scary every

26:28

time he's on screen. Nightclub know throttle

26:30

is the name of my next band.

26:33

Sake you just you gotta that. I

26:35

think it's very good. and the Elvis

26:37

fart. I do say there was something

26:39

about watching. Him

26:41

being introduced and it is

26:43

a case in this this

26:45

is a com and Hollywood

26:47

trick where you spend a

26:49

lot of time. Building.

26:52

Someone else before we actually get a

26:54

glimpse. them. And. So then we're

26:56

very intrigued. We really want to

26:58

know who this person is, how

27:00

they look, how they act, etc.

27:02

Nobody's gonna better than Indiana Jones,

27:04

right? They built him up a

27:06

little bit. And. Then we

27:08

know we're going to get him in. The

27:10

thing is something about Butler's career so far.

27:13

this is one of those external things I

27:15

think his viewers you can help bring into

27:17

the movie a little. that's is because of

27:19

the depths he went to. With.

27:21

Elvis and that performance. You're.

27:24

Aware that the person they're talking about

27:26

almost certainly is the guy played by

27:28

Austin Butler. And so there's this. Mythology.

27:31

Even Bill know not just around they'd

27:34

rather, but. Around the men

27:36

playing surface itself. I want to

27:38

see almost in this mythical way.

27:40

I want to see who this

27:42

character isn't, what Butler is gonna

27:44

do with the performance. And he

27:47

didn't disappoint. But.

27:49

I think. You touch some this

27:51

earlier. When. We're talking

27:53

about the balance of. Narrative.

27:56

Here and some these threads of

27:59

being introduced in things that maybe

28:01

you're being tied together too quickly.

28:03

Your specific point was about spending

28:05

so much time. On.

28:07

Getty Price will. The reason we

28:09

have to spend so much time

28:12

on Getty Prime is that we

28:14

have to see. We. Have

28:16

to see narratively that. He.

28:19

Is. Arrival your through rival in so many

28:21

ways. not just in terms what the

28:23

been just a reader tried to do

28:26

or what any other characters politically are

28:28

trying to do but just in terms

28:30

of that hero's journey we have to

28:32

see him as the villain who is

28:34

going to at some point square off

28:36

against our hero Paul. There has to

28:38

be build up. There. I.

28:41

Don't want to spoil me. Thanks! I'm simply going

28:43

to say for us to spend as much time

28:45

as we do. Getting. That build up.

28:47

A being introduced to him and getting

28:49

to know him to whatever extent we

28:51

couldn't know a character like that. Who

28:54

is It Will Void Referred to as

28:56

a psychopath and a sociopath? I think

28:58

of two different times. We

29:00

don't get enough. We actually don't We

29:03

don't ultimately get enough of that character

29:05

for the time that the movie takes

29:07

to make us care about that rivalry.

29:10

I'll just I'll stop at their I

29:12

don't want to dance around it too

29:14

much more that I felt like that's

29:16

where that balance was really off. I

29:19

understood why we needed to have that

29:21

time, but then having spent that time.

29:24

I wanted to that rivalry to

29:27

be. A. Little more powerful

29:29

when a little juicier that it ends up

29:31

being. I can

29:33

see that and I am danced

29:35

around. Some spoilers here too because

29:37

for me I see get all

29:39

depends on what we think of

29:41

Paul by the time. The.

29:44

Rivaled read comes to the for towards

29:46

the end of the films. or and

29:48

I think it's a much tied into

29:50

are complicated feelings about Paul as you

29:52

refer to him as a hero And

29:54

that is certainly true Sir yeah that

29:57

is that. I'm doing that deer in

29:59

a way. That's getting shipped away for

30:01

you know the further we get into due

30:03

in part to it which is one of

30:05

things I liked about it. You know what

30:07

about concerns about per the first part is

30:09

you know, not having read the books and

30:11

slate is this: Are we really going to

30:13

get a White Savior narrative here? Is there

30:15

something more complicated going on? And you know

30:18

sure we heard from listeners who have read

30:20

the book since said yeah, it's more complicated

30:22

and that's definitely the case. Or in June

30:24

Hard to which is what I liked, which

30:26

I appreciated, but it's related to this rivalry

30:28

and then at we almost need disfigure. Obscure.

30:31

Malice and evil It It doesn't take

30:33

a ton of shady for us to,

30:35

you know it. We just have to

30:38

root against him when Paul is in.

30:40

This confrontations, despite are conflicted feelings about

30:42

paths which is kind of, this is

30:45

kind of getting to be I want

30:47

to ask you a spoiler as question

30:49

related to your good point. I think

30:51

it's smart to delineate between the information

30:54

we don't have and due in part

30:56

to because of the movie is purposefully

30:58

holding it back. Because it's a

31:01

middle installments, he and. Where

31:03

there are things we should know and

31:05

have a better understanding of to be

31:07

invested in what's occurring. Right now

31:10

and so yeah for example, Florence

31:12

Pews character and her aloofness said

31:14

that is probably going to be

31:16

answered the next films, but there

31:19

are things particular related to to

31:21

to the main characters that. Were.

31:23

Not made clear to me and I

31:25

sell to reduce my enjoyment of that

31:28

last. Third of the

31:30

film Can I ask you Here is a

31:32

spoiler question: Should we do this? Later.

31:35

Towards the end of the show. Yeah, yeah, let's say

31:37

that we've been doing that. Let's say that I'm happy

31:39

to get into to because even though I don't know

31:41

what you're going to ask me, I

31:44

feel be be. A

31:46

little naive li I feel like I

31:48

have a pretty good handle on on

31:50

phones character by the end of the

31:52

film. Okay, good the I can help

31:54

or maybe I'm completely misguided. Just interview

31:56

last minute things are Final thoughts on

31:58

this film before we get. In. The

32:00

any spoiler talk at the end. As

32:03

much as were praising the spectacle

32:05

here and it's completely justified. I.

32:08

Was thinking about you a little bit during a

32:10

t sequence. in this films you knew the sandworms.

32:12

We're gonna come on. Oh yeah, we gotta talk

32:14

sandworms. It's it's the desert

32:16

or rak as form of goober. Apparently

32:19

he could just you could Just the

32:21

whole why did you wait wait us

32:23

by the block and it it shows

32:26

up and everyone gets on and studio

32:28

have a get like the right you

32:30

know what their try now like like

32:32

five dollars more for it to come

32:35

to minutes of honor. you deduct worms

32:37

do that. I'm I'm guessing will stall

32:39

Spammer. he was just but. You talk

32:42

about Edgar Wright to do so you'd

32:44

lament sometimes how. Directors in big budgets

32:46

I fi movies are not even safe.

32:48

I budget movies works. You get these

32:51

big action sequences to the cheap. To.

32:53

Be cheap by making of at night

32:55

time. To date make him at nighttime

32:57

and they add rain or whatever it

33:00

is, so stack obscure some of the

33:02

finer details of it. There's.

33:04

The sued sequence. Involving

33:06

Paul in the Sand Worm and. We.

33:09

Spend like twelve minutes inside

33:11

a sandstorm and I found

33:13

it utterly. On. Thrilling.

33:16

Added I'd say ugly a seat. Yeah,

33:18

I know, I. I totally

33:20

get that and it fits that

33:22

test of are you going to

33:24

try to blur what's going on

33:26

in the background to get away

33:28

with stuff? I actually liked that

33:30

choice because first of all, I

33:33

think we're in Hulk territory here. I

33:35

don't think movie technology has yet advanced

33:37

to give us a decent Hulk. I

33:39

do think that's fair. I don't know

33:41

how you do this. I don't think

33:43

movie technology has advanced to the point

33:45

to give us consistently. A

33:48

Good dune. Sandworms. That said, I

33:50

think the choice they made around

33:52

that in that sequence of Paul

33:54

riding the sandworms works because it

33:57

keeps us close to him and

33:59

his over. Well the. But. Persistent

34:01

experience, so I would almost rather

34:03

have that feeling like I got

34:05

some taste of the chaos it

34:07

would be to be reciting some

34:09

massive beasts that is plunging in

34:11

and out of dunes and hanging

34:13

on for dear life. Then than

34:15

a pristine long shot where you're

34:17

like, oh yeah, that guy way

34:19

off of the distance, he looks

34:22

believable Like that them looks believable.

34:24

There's something about be immersive nest,

34:26

but your point is well taken.

34:28

It does mean a lot of

34:30

brown stuff swirling. Around and and

34:32

very few long shots. The.

34:35

Worm Buses were members working with

34:37

others as you put it is,

34:39

or movers weren't all birds. maybe

34:41

not quite as effective know and

34:43

I'll just leave it at that

34:45

and it. But I am going

34:47

to say. It when

34:49

they are using the worms to

34:51

attack in the climactic big vaccine.

34:54

Pretty. Awesome. And as that's in the

34:56

light of day. Ah again, ten

34:58

year old me. Oh man, us.

35:01

Sicily. If only little Josh had been

35:03

able to see this as he didn't say this

35:05

during our. Dune. One revisit

35:07

that I know. we're also both big fans

35:09

of Dave Bautista generally as an hour us

35:12

as he doesn't get enough to do now

35:14

he is the rye. and in this as

35:16

I think glossy with his name, I had

35:18

to look that up. I don't know if

35:21

he's ever given a name here. maybe the

35:23

Harken I don't. You know they don't really

35:25

referred to each other by name much. We

35:27

do here fade rather a fair amount, but

35:30

Blasio does the family member who gets ignored.

35:32

He doesn't get enough to do in either

35:34

film. I still love every

35:36

time he's on screen and it's

35:38

so easy Makes to play Gloss

35:41

who as this chronic mouth breather.

35:44

Like he sold it on idea so

35:46

dumb he just he just has that

35:48

stare at that mouth wide open add

35:50

something about it just I actually think

35:53

is really effective. I mean I'd like

35:55

to think Bautista is is know he

35:57

likes I know and have shown on

35:59

screen. How much more I'm capable of?

36:01

I'm just getting own full line mouth

36:04

breather to to try to point out

36:06

that I better than this because our

36:08

baby it is a completely thankless parts

36:10

really quitting. You mentioned the humorless of

36:12

this A and I actually think this

36:14

is a funny or installment. I think

36:16

that's all about Javier Bardem. We have

36:18

no mention his race. It's a much

36:20

bigger part. Skis the zealots from in

36:22

who believes in this prophecy? the that

36:24

Paul is is this messiah and at

36:26

the same time I did think about

36:28

bringing humor to that sort. Of part

36:30

rights of because he's incredibly serious

36:32

arm and this devout from and

36:34

but he also has a little

36:36

bit of lightness to his line

36:38

readings to certain moments that I'm

36:41

made me realize oh, there's a

36:43

there's actually a little bit humor

36:45

in this one that I appreciated.

36:47

Yeah, I think. I think we.

36:49

That's. Part of why I should say

36:51

it's part of why I enjoyed that

36:53

first half so much is t such

36:55

a central figure and the questions about

36:58

faith that this movie wants us to

37:00

wrestle with And I mean that really.

37:02

In. The context of seeing Paul

37:05

is this messiah or not, but

37:07

it erases larger questions about beliefs

37:09

in general and what, what kind

37:11

of signs and evidence? Fundamentalism as

37:14

a fundamentalism? Just what's the function

37:16

of of religion and spirituality? Generally,

37:18

all of that's there and it's

37:21

all there. Because. Of.

37:24

Javier Bardem character and that performance

37:26

and are seeing it all unfold

37:29

through his, his eyes and his

37:31

beliefs that that's the human drama.

37:33

That element that I didn't really

37:36

appreciate. Their also because it's tied

37:38

to. Feeling. See clearly

37:40

has for Paul. Now don't get

37:42

me wrong, I don't think it's

37:45

as if their their best buddies.

37:47

It's important to him to still

37:49

guard that character, that Paul is

37:51

who he believes Paul to be

37:53

more than anything. But there's enough

37:55

of that friendship, your end and

37:57

kinship. And respect their dead. Makes

38:00

it matter now. let's go back

38:02

and all All and where. I

38:04

begin with Rebecca Ferguson who here

38:07

again. Is a. Wonderful

38:09

actress giving it really good overall

38:11

performance. But after this is the

38:13

Oilers, this is the spoiler. Oh

38:16

get the hell, let's say this

38:18

here here. here's. All. Say

38:20

by way of non spoilers is. The

38:23

Movie. Doesn't.

38:26

Give her enough depth. I. Think the

38:28

movie. Cancer. A certain role

38:30

and that character has to play it. And

38:33

that humanity that I wanted to see. I didn't get

38:35

enough of. Them and

38:37

I have a question about why that

38:39

might be that I'm hook and you

38:41

can answer Okay I look forward to

38:43

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38:45

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going to come round team Josh in a

40:58

major way. Okay, I think Josh is too.

41:00

Lenient. We too lenient on Marvel films,

41:02

especially the most recent ones. However, I

41:04

appreciate his generous nature over all to

41:07

go to another favorite podcast, We Hate

41:09

movies. It's okay to like the movie

41:11

for for us and letterbox as the

41:13

that's ironic by the way, but I

41:16

get it's Rebecca's letterbox for favorites, I

41:18

try to use my top four to

41:20

represent the wide variety of genres that

41:22

I like. Currently I have the exorcist

41:25

to seventy three. Original Believer was abysmal.

41:27

Master and Commander yes, Calvary and Rear

41:29

Window. Ceredase the probably seed. Yeah, you've

41:31

got rear window. I get the exorcist in

41:34

that. I've also probably seen the Lord of

41:36

the Rings Trilogy about a hundred times, but

41:38

that would take of three of the four

41:40

slots a random film or filmmaker Rebecca loves.

41:43

My husband and I watch Bull Durham several

41:45

times a year or relationship is built on

41:47

a love of baseball and Bull Durham is

41:49

perfect. The also very generously puts up with

41:52

my obsession with eighties Kevin Costner Good. Ran

41:54

for six and yeah, I'm with yes, Credible

41:56

fits in with becoming a sinner file and

41:58

finally a favorite book. That films or

42:01

filmmaking Appropriately Rebecca's As I recently finished

42:03

reading Quintet Chino Cinema Speculation and loved

42:05

it. But I've read Josh as Movies

42:07

or Prayers and fear not multiple times

42:10

and made several recommendations The are not

42:12

as a book I needed for years

42:14

before was published, just not your book.

42:17

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42:19

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42:21

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42:24

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42:53

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42:55

only little over a week a ways

42:57

we sit here. Josh, it's been a

43:00

very long time. Since we last play trivia

43:02

in the family members. Turned

43:04

out. I. I don't

43:06

know. I don't know how we're gonna sit

43:08

everybody into the zoom. We have so many

43:11

people trying to cram into trivia spotting. It's

43:13

gonna be great. And. Do

43:15

think we've improved in or trivia skills

43:17

since they were long hiatus are just

43:19

as lost more memory brain cells in

43:21

the time ago. It's the latter up,

43:23

you know, if the latter. Some flooding

43:25

family.com is where you can get more

43:27

information and join and support the So.

43:35

Sorry. For

43:45

you guys. Rockville

43:48

Centre. Retail?

43:51

Really? One of the I.

43:56

Know you. Just it's

43:59

somehow been. Twenty years since John

44:01

Clementine fateful meeting on that trained him

44:03

on talk Which means it's a good

44:05

at times any for us to take

44:07

another look at. Yes, Eternal Sunshine of

44:09

the spotless Mind in our case, we

44:11

didn't need were to does help to

44:13

forget most of the details. A It's

44:15

been quite a while since I've seen

44:17

Eternal Sunshine a movie I'm pretty sure

44:19

I didn't see in the theater, saw

44:21

it on home video, and then I

44:23

revisited it. In Two

44:26

Thousand and Ten is we were preparing

44:28

for a film spotting stop. Twenty Films

44:30

of the Decade. We were looking back

44:32

at the Decade for Film Studies Three

44:35

hundredth episode. Then this is before you

44:37

join the show Josh I knew I

44:39

needed to see it. If I was

44:42

truly gonna consider for my top twenty,

44:44

he did end up making my top

44:46

twenty. And shortly after that it was

44:49

later in August Twenty Ten that. He

44:51

went into the film spotting pantheon, so it's

44:54

one of those films that's in the pantheon.

44:56

It's. Been talked about here and there

44:58

on the show, but we've never

45:01

given it a full review. A

45:03

full. Conversation. And we're embarking

45:05

on this Pantheon projects that is kind

45:07

of an unofficial Tibia project because we've

45:09

never followed through on exactly what we're

45:11

trying to accomplish. What I say, the

45:13

Betty Jazeera are in charge. I think

45:15

they are in charge, but that wouldn't

45:17

worry the lot for the hook for

45:19

her over really just try to do

45:21

that. That would explain salads. same choices.

45:23

Actually, some of his diabolical choice will

45:26

never decide bottom of it. These these

45:28

always that the person polling the story

45:30

of he's pulling the strings behind it

45:32

all. But as here, why maybe. Dot

45:34

one of the things he wants us to

45:36

really do here is, hey, if a movie

45:38

is in the pantheon, maybe we should talk

45:41

about it before. I. Just stays

45:43

there So eternal sunshine is on

45:45

the docket. twenty year anniversary. It.

45:48

It. Should be a good conversation again. It's

45:51

been fourteen years, roughly since I saw it

45:53

last. What about you? Yeah, I think I

45:55

mean this was my number one film the

45:57

year came out. It's in the archive. It's

45:59

over there. the Naperville son and Adam. I

46:02

don't think I've seen it sense. That.

46:04

Oh, here, for whatever reason, maybe I'm

46:06

wrong says wait for the day the

46:08

I can't check, but it has been

46:11

a while and I think it's particularly

46:13

smart to revisit this one because Eternal

46:15

Sunshine more than any other film in

46:17

the pantheon probably. I. Think

46:19

we've failed to discuss at all because of

46:22

the rules we've long had. Where's these films

46:24

are not eligible for top five list? and

46:26

we fudge that here and there for sacred

46:28

cows? Are you know certain certain top five?

46:30

I don't think we've ever fudged it in

46:33

any way for eternal sunshine. The spotless mind.

46:35

It does seem to me like this great

46:37

movie as I remember it that has kind

46:39

of been lost in a film spotting black

46:42

hole and now we get to rectify that.

46:44

Yeah. Speaking of details that I know

46:47

I didn't remember. I wonder if you

46:49

remember where Eternal Sunshine said his back

46:51

in Twenty Nineteen when we did our

46:53

best films of the two thousands for

46:55

Madness Do Member House? Hi! It's least.

46:59

I would think it would do

47:01

fairly well, but maybe not. Top

47:04

Spores. It. Was second.

47:07

Oh no, I did. Out for numbers

47:09

and sides beat out titles like. It

47:12

is. this is just get approved later. This

47:14

is foreshadowing. It's going to prove the fallibility

47:16

of our listeners. It a beat out titles

47:18

like No Country For Old Men, Mulholland Drive,

47:21

The Dark Knight, Fellowship of The Ring, and

47:23

more. Oh. Man would never

47:25

have guessed that. Yeah, which is

47:27

which is why is a blank.

47:30

I'm apparently doing poorly in this

47:32

year's madness. Along with that twentieth

47:34

anniversary Sacred Cow conversation about eternal

47:36

sunshine, we will have fifties madness

47:39

round to results and sweet sixteen

47:41

match ups and the first film

47:43

in our William Wyler are long

47:45

awaited, long anticipated William Wyler marathons.

47:47

We are starting back in the

47:50

thirties with an eighteen thirty six

47:52

his dad's worth and I say.

47:54

Long awaited. An anticipated because this

47:56

is a filmmaker who has been

47:59

on are certain the subjects for

48:01

at least ten or fifteen years

48:03

and. You. Get It is the

48:05

most nominated director and Oscar history. Throughout.

48:08

That fact last week with Michael Phillips

48:10

here. twelve nominations, three wins. He also

48:12

happens to be the director of one

48:14

of my most conspicuous movie, Blind Spots

48:16

the best years of our lives. From

48:18

eighteen forty six you've seen, it's We

48:20

Will. Talk. About that film here

48:22

in the next month or so as part

48:24

of this marathons. But just a little background

48:27

these marathons we usually do to have them

48:29

a year. They go all the way back

48:31

to the very beginning of the show. Two

48:33

Thousand and Five, Two Thousand and Six where

48:36

we're trying to fill in cinematic blind spots

48:38

and we both seen some Wyler films some

48:40

is part of Other marathons here are Michelle

48:42

but. He is definitely a

48:44

filmmaker who has some major titles that

48:46

we've long been a little bit embarrassed

48:49

about not seeing and in the case

48:51

of while are. Not only is he

48:53

that decorated when it comes to Oscar

48:55

nominations, but he's a major figure. Undeniably.

48:58

In the golden age of Hollywood, a

49:00

career spanning six decades and I mentioned

49:02

the best years of our lives, Ben

49:04

Hur is another one, speaking at the

49:06

fifties. that her is another classic film

49:09

I haven't seen in both of those

49:11

films were best Picture winners and did

49:13

when Wyler the Best Director Oscar. So

49:15

with Wyler. There. Should be.

49:18

A lot of good stuff to talk

49:20

about. The I think that's one of

49:22

things I'm excited about as that span

49:24

that six decade timeline you talked about

49:26

is to just look that only at

49:28

how his style may have evolved, but

49:30

the different. Concerned. Cinema was

49:32

even addressing and think about from one

49:34

decade to the next. We don't always

49:36

get this expansive time over the course

49:38

of a marathon, and that's one of

49:40

the reasons I think we're starting back

49:43

in the thirties with Nineteen Thirty Six

49:45

as dogs were. Thats going to be

49:47

next week and that was where Wyler

49:49

earned his first Best Director nomination. From

49:51

there will go to Mrs. May Never

49:53

or that's the first of while are

49:55

combined Best director, best picture wins and

49:58

then best years of our lives. Which

50:00

as you mentioned I have seen and it

50:02

it was one of those I I can

50:04

vividly remember watching on my laptop on a

50:06

business trip in a hotel room. One of

50:08

those you know you get back from whatever

50:10

you had to do a little early and

50:12

so it's just like up let's let's let

50:14

me watch a movie. Have always meant to

50:16

watch and yeah don't know I chose. it

50:18

seemed like one of those. I had no

50:20

idea what I was getting into, how good

50:22

the best years of our lives turned out

50:24

to be despite Whalers reputation. And so I'm

50:26

hoping that's the case with just about all

50:28

the titles in this marathons. Yeah, We've got

50:30

six films. As usual in this marathon,

50:33

you can view the full line out

50:35

then see some options. As

50:37

far as where you can view these films,

50:39

all are available V O D on various

50:41

platforms oversold spotting.net just click on marathons right

50:44

there at the top of the page and

50:46

so we don't have the details to announce

50:48

yet. and we will definitely give you plenty

50:51

of warning. but I. Feel. Safe

50:53

enough just to at least he's the

50:55

fact that we should have. A

50:57

pretty cool event. A. Live event

50:59

tied to the ourselves That's gonna make

51:02

up this marathon so gets more details

51:04

about that to come. I wanted

51:06

to share a quick note out of a

51:08

quick weekend report. Debbie and I got away

51:11

or to New York City over the weekend

51:13

to visit our daughter who's finishing up college.

51:15

Can't believe this, but she'll be done in

51:17

the spring. Ah A And so we thought.

51:20

Oh, let's go visit or do the take.

51:22

The room mates are We hadn't done this

51:24

yet and plan this around the Athena Film

51:26

Festival that takes place every year at her

51:29

college. always meant to go, never got around

51:31

to it right? We're making it happen this

51:33

year. So the these are movies you know,

51:35

primarily telling. Stories focusing on women

51:37

are largely almost entirely female directed

51:40

and I wanted to highlight one

51:42

we saw because the it just

51:44

got picked up for distribution by

51:47

Apple Original Films and it's St

51:49

See Dance and and I want

51:52

to just this on our listeners

51:54

radar because well, because it's good,

51:56

it's quite good and interesting. But

51:59

also the. Story that was shared

52:01

after the film on this panel

52:03

about the long journey for fans

52:05

to dance to get distribution so

52:07

there were a handful people on

52:09

the panel. It was about indigenous

52:11

filmmakers in the United States and

52:13

the director a Fancy Dance. Erica

52:15

Tremblay was member the panel and

52:17

she talked about how our this

52:20

movie was well received at Sundance

52:22

in Twenty Twenty Three and ah

52:24

well reviewed audience responses and so

52:26

forth. It had and worked on

52:28

and I target was a Sundance.

52:30

Workshop at it had gone through the way

52:32

she put it is. We had hit every

52:34

checklist you hit for a small independent movies

52:36

to get some sort of distribution deal. and

52:38

it didn't happen. Lily

52:40

Gladstone is the star I should point

52:42

out here, which makes this also curious

52:45

on she plays in their Native American

52:47

woman who is a bit of a

52:49

hustler. She kind of lives on the

52:51

edge of the law and I'm when

52:53

we meet her. her sister has disappeared

52:55

so she's undergoing to search for her

52:57

sister spends a lot of time with

52:59

her sisters. A teen daughter caring

53:01

for her at this time. And

53:04

so you would think Erica Tremblay

53:06

was also same having Lily Gladstone

53:08

who all the buzz coming up

53:10

with Killers of the Flower Moons.

53:12

I'm. Beyond. What she'd

53:14

already gotten among real cinephile circles for

53:17

certain women and so forth that they

53:19

would have landed a deal and it

53:21

just didn't happen for whatever reason. And

53:24

so she was saying how they just

53:26

spent last year going to every festival

53:28

they could, keep knocking on doors and

53:30

and finally with the help of Gladstone

53:33

getting her Oscar nomination and talking about

53:35

fancy dance I haven't noticed this climate.

53:37

Been watching a lot of the award

53:40

circuit speeches and stop talking of incidents

53:42

almost every time she could. It

53:45

kind of brought this back to the top

53:47

and eventually lead to a conversation with Apple

53:49

who. As most people know has

53:51

killers the flower moon and they realize will

53:53

this is a natural parents to have on

53:55

our service for folks who are killers and

53:57

then might be interested in this. That's

54:00

absolutely true. True, it's a

54:02

pure, seen contemporary companion piece.

54:04

Not, I'm not really gladstone

54:06

Not only the fact of

54:08

Native American characters, but this

54:10

exact story of Native American

54:13

women who go missing. And

54:15

no one cares but to see that

54:17

told through a slightly different lens and

54:19

a slightly different time frame. But

54:22

also yet see the similarities is just one

54:25

of the fascinating things about the film. beyond

54:27

obviously Gladstones performance. so I'm hoping maybe we

54:29

can give this a little more time. I'm

54:31

a of thought you know I revisit it.

54:34

We get a chance to see if I

54:36

don't know the release date, but when that

54:38

comes because this is definitely one worthy of

54:41

consideration for gold and break. But for now

54:43

just want to get that out there. Keep

54:45

your eyes open and if you have an

54:48

opportunity to watch fancy dance, give it a

54:50

shot. I'll definitely keep an eye

54:52

out, and as you said, we'll keep

54:54

an eye out for our listeners, let's

54:56

you know. and we have more information

54:59

about that release over on our sister

55:01

podcast, The Next Texas Show. They have

55:03

a new pairing that should appeal to

55:05

our new family member, Rebecca we mentions

55:08

a bit earlier even Coen Drive Away

55:10

Dolls with Raising Arizona Just one of

55:12

the best movie comedies ever. Mates That's

55:14

the next Picture Show every Tuesday. wherever

55:16

you get your pumped gas. Or

55:27

this is absolute madness. A massive. As

55:30

you full such a thing. Was.

55:39

Yes, don't Sliding Madness time our

55:41

annual brackets style tournaments this year.

55:44

It's devoted to the best films

55:46

of the Nineteen fifties. That means

55:49

Hitchcock or a sour Wilder Bergman.

55:51

So many other big names in

55:53

cinemas sixty four films go in

55:56

that only one champion can emerge.

55:58

We've got our. Round One

56:00

results and will highlight some round

56:02

to match ups for you. Round

56:04

Two: Voting his life, he closes

56:06

Monday, March eleventh at noon central

56:09

time. If you want to vote,

56:11

we encourage you to do so.

56:13

Go. To film spotting.net or

56:16

even go right to

56:18

the page on spotting.net/madness.

56:21

First. From results josh only to

56:23

upsets and least according to the

56:25

seating, it's. Sam and Eyes

56:28

the selection committee sometimes like to take

56:30

that to been did we did a

56:32

good job without us eating out. There

56:34

weren't a bunch of upset. It's really

56:36

hard to call the upsets obsessed. As.

56:39

Well, because one of them was

56:41

Ben Hur. Thirty. Sixth

56:43

seed overall Beating Number Twenty Nine

56:45

a man escaped the prison cell

56:47

and Number Thirty Eight Anatomy of

56:49

a Murder. Besting of it hurts

56:51

so bad. I mean like life

56:53

wasn't cruel to could be area

56:56

and us in the film and

56:58

Fellini his masterpiece Native could be

57:00

area out losing to Auto Privileges

57:02

film. So our favorite film from

57:04

the Bros on Marathon is Gone

57:06

and one of my favorite. Fleet

57:08

is one of my all time

57:11

favorite foreign language films. Is

57:13

gone. It is the case. We've

57:15

got to star driven Hollywood films

57:17

taking out. Foreign. Films

57:19

and in both cases as

57:21

well. yes. Matchups:

57:24

That I in correctly predicted. I

57:26

went. I went with the The

57:28

Sin of File. Taste. What

57:30

I thought was the Cinephile taste

57:32

art house Adam saw these movies

57:34

to his lens and assumed that our

57:37

audience would as well. Just.

57:39

Than her. And. Adam Eve a murder

57:41

Hollywood one out holiday I am I think

57:43

as he goes to got me as well

57:45

so I'm credence to the selection committee. I

57:48

guess on that as a as a loose

57:50

arrow says I just we watched a man

57:52

escaped and Ben Hur and the person would

57:54

be a sight and sound top ten choice

57:56

for me. Ben Hur has an absolute banger

57:58

of a chariot race and. Two hours and

58:00

thirty minutes of other stuff. But let's let's

58:03

hope we appreciate some of that other stuff

58:05

when we get to it an hour while

58:07

or marathons. Here's Richard. This matchup between Nights

58:09

of Cubby Area and Anatomy of a Murder

58:11

killed the right out of the gates. I

58:14

love both movies and am currently under Fellini

58:16

Deep Dive. While both are on my top

58:18

four on letterbox, I have to go with

58:20

Anatomy since it takes place in the town

58:22

where I was born. Market Michigan is good.

58:25

Reason is that he, I guess neither of

58:27

those was our closest match up though. This

58:29

one. Came right down to

58:31

it. Just came down to the

58:34

buzzer at twelve noon. Today.

58:36

Is were recording. And

58:39

speaking. Of good Jobs by

58:41

the Selection Committee Number Thirty Two

58:43

vs. Thirty three, Douglas serves Imitation

58:46

of Life versus Disney's Sleeping Beauty.

58:48

And in the end, Cirque.

58:51

Took down Disney. By. For

58:54

boats, don't tell me your vote doesn't

58:56

matter. Don't tell me at the right.

58:59

I have a feeling Sam Thompson says

59:02

I may be discounting how people feel

59:04

about Sleeping Beauty. the to me, it

59:06

can compete with Certs most delicious melodrama.

59:09

Here's W David: Like the Sleeping Beauty

59:11

is a stone cold masterpiece. One of

59:13

Disney's most artful movies. Yeah, and it

59:16

seems stool at the end. Agrees

59:18

I demand a recount. Oh boy. stool

59:20

salary go uplift. I get into that's

59:22

other films were to say good bye

59:24

to. Not only did we lose sight

59:26

of cubby area we lost the ladies

59:28

the Strada we lost for some the

59:30

man escaped and take bucket person. Is.

59:33

Gone. Out of the best of the

59:35

fifty we did, we did lose one Hitchcock

59:37

Dial Him for murder. Justice.

59:41

To. The blame anyone for this? Jaci

59:43

got beat out by Oh Zoos,

59:45

Tokyo Story and don't worry there

59:47

are still for Hitchcock's left in

59:49

the tournaments. Your touch he mode

59:51

on pull. In. A losing battle.

59:54

Up. Against wealth? Who who but number two

59:56

seed. Seeing it in the rain The I've

59:58

been. I've been sad. But. Completely

1:00:00

understandable Now this one. I

1:00:03

had. Hopes. For. I.

1:00:06

Was I was naive li

1:00:08

optimistic that. In. The Battle

1:00:10

Against A Kubrick Film Not Paths

1:00:12

of Glory in this tournament. But.

1:00:15

The Killing The Coral Theodore

1:00:17

Dryers Or Debts. One.

1:00:19

Of my top four on letterbox.

1:00:23

Of course, Or that. Would. Triumph.

1:00:25

But no. In last for

1:00:27

killing. The. Power of

1:00:29

Kubrick is strong and I also.

1:00:32

Predicted. This wrong guy. I'd I'd I

1:00:34

just gotta stop listening to you clearly

1:00:36

scuffles. The problem here. Hate.

1:00:39

It terms of predicting the bracket I

1:00:41

picked the killings. I knew the killing

1:00:44

was gonna well. I joy hooked. I

1:00:46

just hoped it wouldn't some other titles

1:00:48

that are gone about these. Wilders.

1:00:51

A some the whole sweet smell

1:00:53

of success and American in Paris.

1:00:55

Gentlemen prefer blondes Foreseeable leak Hiroshima

1:00:57

motor more. Earrings, Of

1:00:59

Madame Does from Ophuls and Jules

1:01:02

Dassin receive the they'll receive. He

1:01:04

did put up a good five

1:01:06

minutes match up against High Noon.

1:01:08

Thousands of votes cast, Rothys the

1:01:11

last by twenty five. One.

1:01:13

Person who did vote for receiving Jonathan

1:01:15

Anderson my apologies to good else own

1:01:17

theory Cooper but go receive you go

1:01:19

make you Jonathan for that adheres David

1:01:21

Look the again will win High Noone

1:01:23

should honestly two thirds Rothys he is

1:01:25

just a decent ice picture bested by

1:01:27

all of High Noon. but that other

1:01:29

third of receive the a strong enough

1:01:31

to carry the whole film over the

1:01:33

line. Watching the old Dvd my friends

1:01:35

and I were breathless, silent like it's

1:01:38

healing would blow their cover yards receiving.

1:01:40

Oh yeah yeah I mean that oh

1:01:42

that are feeling groups. In other, that's

1:01:44

likely how you feel watching that movie. Now,

1:01:46

I don't know that I think the first

1:01:48

two thirds is just decent, but this is

1:01:50

the movie that. Created. The template

1:01:53

that every high some after has has

1:01:55

tried to follow and has had to

1:01:57

emulate. And it's why I ticked ruff.

1:02:00

The over high noon the

1:02:02

listeners did not high noon

1:02:04

advance So that brings us

1:02:06

to round two. Thirty. Two

1:02:08

films, sixteen matchups. I thought we'd

1:02:10

go ahead and approaches similar to

1:02:12

last week. I've got some upsets

1:02:14

I'm rooting for. I've got some

1:02:16

toughest attack will see if there

1:02:19

were any that were tough to

1:02:21

predict like there was with round

1:02:23

once. I have to confess to

1:02:25

one match up here, just that

1:02:27

I am abstaining only one. but

1:02:29

it's that Ben Hur matchup, the

1:02:31

Vertigo vs Ben Hur. Even though

1:02:33

of course I'm inclined to click

1:02:35

that button for vertigo because it's

1:02:37

vertigo. Technically, I'm holding

1:02:40

out. I didn't do while or justice

1:02:42

here in zone spotting madness. I'm going

1:02:44

to hold off and watch been her

1:02:46

as we get into the marathon. So.

1:02:49

Go vote for me. I am

1:02:51

abstaining their upsets. I'm rooting for.

1:02:54

I'm curious if you've got any. I've

1:02:56

got three. The. Night as a

1:02:58

Hunter. Is. An

1:03:01

underdog. To. Hitchcock's North by

1:03:03

Northwest. I think it's got a very

1:03:05

good sense and I'm definitely pulling for

1:03:08

it's I adore All about Eve. Who

1:03:10

doesn't love All About Eve? But it's

1:03:12

going against. One of my

1:03:14

formative foreign language films. An

1:03:16

Old timer. A masterpiece from

1:03:19

Ingmar Bergman. Yeah. Could

1:03:21

be the seventh seal, but it's Wild

1:03:23

Strawberries. Both are in the tournaments and

1:03:25

here's my one by one heretical tech.

1:03:28

People. Are going to guess Just. Just.

1:03:30

Listen for the gasps from films budding

1:03:33

nation when I say this. I'm going

1:03:35

to lose credibility instantly with so many

1:03:37

people when I say this. But in

1:03:39

the match was. One.

1:03:41

Of the top four seeds, the seven samurai.

1:03:44

Over Hitchcock. Strangers on a Train. And

1:03:47

Poland for strangers on a train. Yeah you know

1:03:49

if you're in this is this is where like

1:03:52

sometimes I feel if you have a bullet proof

1:03:54

suits. We did a seven samurai bonus show one

1:03:56

eyed else and and you were. Oh

1:03:59

it's. I got five girls

1:04:01

always that I think are better than

1:04:04

and I like I said oh man

1:04:06

this poor guy like if I said

1:04:08

that if I said that there would

1:04:10

be a government inquiry A and this

1:04:13

image wickets I was so eloquent it

1:04:15

looks like realize how articulated I apparently

1:04:17

you're you're okay and apparently the woods

1:04:19

goodness knows your gas. But that once

1:04:21

I got a are I also yeah

1:04:24

I think you know Night of the

1:04:26

Hunter to go against Hitchcock seems radicals

1:04:28

well but I'm not going. To. Be

1:04:30

shocked at this is how I

1:04:32

would vote. Actually dissenter does take

1:04:35

north by northwest outs. I feel

1:04:37

like. North. By Northwest is

1:04:39

a fun movies the lot of people

1:04:42

like but there is a ton of

1:04:44

deep passion for the astonishing artistry. Have

1:04:46

night as Hunter, that of I'm always

1:04:49

surprised. Let me just say here's the

1:04:51

weird feeling is is when I encounter

1:04:53

someone online where it wherever maybe letterbox

1:04:55

or whatever who just. Goes. On

1:04:58

and out neither Hunter, I have the feeling of

1:05:00

oh you to. You know there? There's

1:05:02

a little bit where I wouldn't if somebody

1:05:04

I think North by Northwest is really great.

1:05:06

So yeah, we we all pretty much like

1:05:08

North by Northwest, but there's that deep abiding

1:05:10

appreciation for neither the hunters, so we'll see

1:05:12

what happens there. Next category

1:05:15

toughest attack and this

1:05:17

is. Pretty. Easy to

1:05:19

determine. The criterion is did

1:05:21

I hesitate when I went

1:05:23

to the polls? Was. Able

1:05:25

to just click the button and I do exactly

1:05:27

which one I wanted to win. Or.

1:05:30

Did I. Have. To stall. And

1:05:32

there's three here just in the first

1:05:34

one. Not only did I stall, not

1:05:37

only did I hesitate. I.

1:05:39

Am at this point still refusing to vote.

1:05:41

I've been facing this because it was pretty

1:05:44

decisive. Did these two were gonna face each

1:05:46

other's the the round one battles weren't very

1:05:48

close as had time to think about this.

1:05:51

And. I still. Do. Not

1:05:54

know. Which. One. I'm

1:05:56

going to vote force to films

1:05:58

the couldn't be. The family more

1:06:01

different. One. Is a war

1:06:03

movie. One. Is about

1:06:05

a bureaucrat. And yet they are.

1:06:07

Both. Properly regarded as to

1:06:10

the most humanist films

1:06:12

ever made. Kubrick's.

1:06:14

Paths of Glory and Chorus. I was a

1:06:17

to whom I don't know how to pick.

1:06:19

I don't know, I not going to on

1:06:21

the show. I don't know if I ever

1:06:24

well I might have to abstain from this

1:06:26

one as well. I. I. Say

1:06:28

down with the selection committee. Yeah,

1:06:31

a Kourou Clearly you know way better

1:06:33

than Seven Samurai. We know that in

1:06:35

your were right as it invites in

1:06:38

my estimation. Yes, I do like that

1:06:40

just slightly, but I prefer it. I

1:06:42

have. I would say my struggle looking

1:06:44

over these matchups are like that would

1:06:46

be between some like it hot in

1:06:48

high Noon and I think we're both

1:06:50

stumbling around on the same thing. It's

1:06:52

hard to get your minds around movies

1:06:55

that are of completely different genres or

1:06:57

tackling completely different things. This

1:06:59

was the Sleeping Beauty imitation of life quandary,

1:07:01

right? I think that is one of the

1:07:03

reasons that came down to the wires. How

1:07:05

do you pure those two together? So how

1:07:07

do you pair one of the great comedies

1:07:09

with one of the great westerns? Ah yeah,

1:07:11

that's the one. I will probably make my

1:07:13

choice last, so I'm certainly not going to

1:07:15

say where I'm going right now. I.

1:07:18

Mentioned I had three. I. Did

1:07:20

hesitate for a bit. And.

1:07:22

Then I ultimately chose The Searchers over

1:07:24

Orson Welles Touch of Evil. But I

1:07:26

do love that Orson Welles celts and

1:07:28

I actually had in here. The

1:07:31

when you just mention some like it

1:07:33

hot vs High noon. And.

1:07:36

It's a little bit of a different case for me. I.

1:07:38

Haven't done this exercise, but if I ranked

1:07:41

these films from one to thirty two, Going.

1:07:44

From most favorite to least favorite and

1:07:46

I just want everyone to keep in

1:07:48

mind so I can try to. For.

1:07:51

Go anymore gasps here. just we

1:07:53

are talking about Thirty Two The

1:07:55

best films ever from from a

1:07:57

decade that's one of the best

1:07:59

ever been. I knew to some

1:08:01

other hot would both be probably in

1:08:03

the bottom. Six. Somewhere

1:08:05

of that. Thirty Two. That's how much

1:08:07

I love the other Twenty six films

1:08:09

that. Are. In round two a thorn

1:08:12

spotting bad as. One.

1:08:14

Of those movies that would definitely be ahead of high

1:08:16

New Know is some like an up. And.

1:08:19

It it is my choice here even though

1:08:21

I did hesitate a little in terms of

1:08:23

tells us to predict. Here's.

1:08:25

Famous Last words. We'll see if I do any

1:08:27

better with my round to predictions, but. I

1:08:30

didn't have any that I felt were

1:08:33

tough to predict. That doesn't mean I'll

1:08:35

be right. I'm sure I'll lose something.

1:08:37

The listeners are gonna surprise me, but

1:08:39

nothing felt like it was incredibly. South.

1:08:42

Going to guess which film would emerge

1:08:45

on top again? we'll see if I'm

1:08:47

wrong, but I didn't really have any.

1:08:49

Were while I was filling out my

1:08:52

bracket. I. Thought oh gosh, I

1:08:54

just don't know where the listeners are

1:08:56

gonna go. Had a few of those

1:08:59

have drawn one? I didn't this time

1:09:01

did you? Ah, I'm a while by

1:09:03

brackets little shaken up now. but but

1:09:06

yeah when I initially went to make

1:09:08

predictions, looking at the ones that you

1:09:10

know haven't gotten shaken up I would

1:09:13

say it was pretty easy this round.

1:09:15

I do wonder about the Kubrick Power.

1:09:17

I think you know seen a Kourou

1:09:20

up against it. You would think it's

1:09:22

gotta be. A Kourou bites. Again,

1:09:25

underestimated, Kubrick has has bit me

1:09:28

before. I just take a moment

1:09:30

and and bid adieu to my

1:09:32

beloved Potter punch Ali's in advance.

1:09:36

This is, you know, Yeah, they wanted

1:09:38

to assume you didn't want to see

1:09:40

a loose to one of the greatest.

1:09:43

To. Ever have been projected on the

1:09:46

screen that is going to lose. Much.

1:09:49

To say I'm going to be a

1:09:51

very angry man as Joss area so

1:09:53

very angry man. You're going to be

1:09:56

one of those agreements t So disappointed

1:09:58

in all of you. Stick. I.

1:10:00

Do. Think you're right.

1:10:03

This is an easy choice for me.

1:10:05

Father punch Holly over Twelve Angry Men.

1:10:08

The. Twelve Angry Men is definitely going to

1:10:10

move on to the sweet sixteen isn't it

1:10:13

Please When it happens, shoved, shove the camera

1:10:15

right in my face, turn up my makes

1:10:17

a hot okay so that everyone understands what

1:10:19

I'm saying. How

1:10:21

dare you? Some debris easy to choose

1:10:24

for me. To. Give or

1:10:26

take about thirty two great films. I love

1:10:28

Bridge on the River Kwai. I love Rio

1:10:30

Bravo a lot more. I like Kubrick a

1:10:32

lot. I love Kubrick. In fact, that singing

1:10:34

in the rain over the Killing is a

1:10:36

no brainer. The four hundred blows over Rebel

1:10:38

without a Cause is a no brainer. I'll

1:10:40

give you one more. that was a little

1:10:42

tough. I actually did hesitate of this one

1:10:44

just slightly. It's another Kerr A Silo Russell

1:10:46

Martin on the Waterfront. It's tough to neck

1:10:48

as Anselm and Lose brand of I know,

1:10:50

I know Sam Pretty the same is struggling

1:10:52

with the brand a particular because. I

1:10:55

think Tokyo Story's going to take down

1:10:57

three car and I'm totally fine with

1:10:59

that. and I did ultimately tech rush

1:11:02

him on over on the Waterfront by

1:11:04

to have both of those is monumental

1:11:06

Marlon Brando performances. Just be gone here

1:11:08

in round two as it is madness

1:11:10

seems that are. No, not not quite

1:11:12

right. Well let me say this

1:11:14

and and I will get the letters. Rational Man.

1:11:17

Not. Not. Top tier not top

1:11:19

our chorus our oh that's not your top

1:11:21

tier Curacao Now get know. I think that

1:11:23

this is an easy one on the Waterfront

1:11:26

because you know they're they're better. Curse House

1:11:28

their sit there aren't Hedrick earth itself as

1:11:30

take you just so There are much better

1:11:32

than Seven Samurai. I know where you're going.

1:11:34

Okay, you've you've made your point. Before.

1:11:37

We go. I. Have not yet looked

1:11:39

at any of the back and results so

1:11:41

far because round to his lies and I

1:11:44

didn't want it to. Save.

1:11:46

At all how I talked about these text But

1:11:48

I'm gonna say this. I

1:11:51

should have put this in the tells us to

1:11:53

predict. Turns out it was tough to predict and

1:11:55

tough to pick paths of glory in a Giroux

1:11:57

josh right now. Is separated

1:11:59

by two? Yeah. I'm

1:12:01

Tania. It Yeah, it's the Kubrick.

1:12:04

It. It is the Kubrick factor. We'll

1:12:06

see if both of them make it.

1:12:09

To the Sweet sixteen. But there's no way there's

1:12:11

no way the killings taken down singing in the

1:12:14

rain. Josh, it's it's all good. It's

1:12:16

definitely going to be there.

1:12:18

We look forward to sharing

1:12:20

those round to results with

1:12:22

you next week and get

1:12:24

into those sweet sixteen contests

1:12:26

after round one. There.

1:12:28

Are twelve listeners out of

1:12:30

over five hundred. Who submitted

1:12:32

prediction brackets and have. Perfect.

1:12:35

Brackets the house they are a

1:12:37

from for it's crazy. It's perfect.

1:12:39

Thirty two out a thirty two

1:12:41

and I am beginning to think

1:12:43

something here is just of this

1:12:45

to have breakfast or. To.

1:12:48

Have him the Gym Bay Heimlich

1:12:50

Maneuver Services or is a feeling

1:12:52

of a few years back Ice

1:12:54

I don't know is if it's

1:12:56

the same. Actually turns out he's

1:12:58

got a new one. He's the

1:13:00

seventh seal of the Samurai Noom.

1:13:02

Swell, whatever samurai tricks he's applying,

1:13:05

Whatever wisdom he's applying, it's working.

1:13:07

He's one of those twelve get

1:13:09

a former winner of this bracket

1:13:11

challenge. Many listeners only missed a

1:13:13

single match. Of those include our

1:13:15

friends Littleborough Pray from letterbox Brett

1:13:17

Merryman. Last years family bracket winter

1:13:19

and breaths L A or B

1:13:21

go and are Aziz said he

1:13:24

can all whites one in correct

1:13:26

choice that's that's not us stuff.

1:13:28

Wait a minute Wait a minute.

1:13:30

I We hung out with both Brat and

1:13:33

Jason when we were in L A for

1:13:35

the lives yeah, are you are? You sure

1:13:37

they weren't rifling through your briefcase or or

1:13:39

say i'm so picky know, but I'm lucky

1:13:42

that your charts and spread slavery node by

1:13:44

ghosts. This is ridiculous. It is. it is.

1:13:46

But if they had actually done any of

1:13:48

that, if they'd seated at all, they'd be

1:13:51

doing worse because I got for. Braun.

1:13:54

I. Did think. That. The

1:13:57

more. Popular. Film what I thought

1:13:59

was the pot. Illusory. Here I thought

1:14:01

Sleeping Beauty would take down imitation

1:14:03

of life. It almost every. Yeah.

1:14:06

It it almost. It's in the three other

1:14:08

cases where I went with my heart and

1:14:10

again what I thought was the Sinner file

1:14:12

Conventional wisdom, I was proved wrong. A.

1:14:15

Man escaped his out La Strada as out

1:14:17

mates of two beers outs I am tied

1:14:19

for two hundred and twenty first. The good

1:14:21

news for me is that none of those

1:14:24

Mrs. Impacts. Future rounds I'm

1:14:26

still last. Night I can still win

1:14:28

or I can still not lose, which is really.

1:14:31

Winning. Josh, You miss five. You.

1:14:34

Also take sleeping Beauty a man escaped and

1:14:36

a superior you did have ordered over who

1:14:38

breaks the killing and I did think when

1:14:40

I saw your bracket I thought he really

1:14:42

thinks he said the whole is gonna be

1:14:44

bridge on the river Kwai will go to

1:14:46

your head. Good

1:14:49

question again but rapidly trusting. probably

1:14:51

listening to you so much analysis

1:14:53

that you have your talked about

1:14:55

goes yeah the movie so much

1:14:57

and even though you know even

1:14:59

though I watched it filled that.

1:15:01

Made. Up that blind spot for the contest

1:15:03

and liked it but thought yeah it's you

1:15:06

know as as you know there are better

1:15:08

Wilders Let me say that better Wilders Ah

1:15:10

yeah I thought but you know I'm betting

1:15:12

amount of times Adams been talking about this

1:15:15

I'm sure it'll I'm sure to win and

1:15:17

that was the same Said to be foolish

1:15:19

you know, like. Sometimes. Josh

1:15:21

really puts way too much stock in

1:15:23

your influence via Via Oil. Will say,

1:15:25

well. With. Let's hope that

1:15:28

never never Wade's but the River

1:15:30

Clyde. this could end up hurting

1:15:32

you. will see Sam only miss

1:15:35

Three Sleeping Beauty and to be

1:15:37

area were among those who. And

1:15:39

then somehow he thought listeners would

1:15:42

choose Roman Holiday over curse hours.

1:15:44

You root root did advance nightmare

1:15:46

again. Mike. Merrigan. Don't.

1:15:49

Funding Madness Godfather who won

1:15:51

last year's contest? What it?

1:15:53

outright? Here. He is

1:15:56

again only missing one of course Uti

1:15:58

of guess so he's tied. Second

1:16:00

with many others in the big bracket

1:16:02

tournaments and a get is leading. Hours.

1:16:05

This little internal competition that we

1:16:07

have where the loser ends up

1:16:09

having to watch whatever the latest

1:16:11

Adam Sandler movies on Netflix? I

1:16:13

yeah, it sounds like it's. Segregated.

1:16:16

Pretty dicey this year. Actually lazy

1:16:18

Wanted the early returns for Space

1:16:20

Man. I know round to voting

1:16:22

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1:16:25

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1:16:27

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in I'm Josh Forces and I met

1:19:06

him camping are. We

1:19:23

have a little bit of and finish

1:19:25

business and now that you've you've changed

1:19:27

it or the end of our conversation

1:19:29

I realize that you're really talking about

1:19:31

Lady Jessica. Not so much. Paul.

1:19:34

Who's. Sole Mu A D B quiz. that's

1:19:36

to I drank I think about on all

1:19:38

of his. name's in their. Baby

1:19:41

Baby! I'm going to have less to offer,

1:19:43

just less insight. I will be able to

1:19:46

answer your question, but we're in dude spoiler

1:19:48

territory. Were in the spoiler part of a

1:19:50

rat. Guess we're going to the huddle together

1:19:52

for going to try to figure this out.

1:19:55

I want to know what you want to

1:19:57

know so it's related to both of them.

1:20:00

It's related to lady. Just got

1:20:02

an Paul and it's related to

1:20:04

a. Crucial. Act They

1:20:07

both take drinking this water

1:20:09

of life. We. Could

1:20:11

just call it worms use I think

1:20:13

that's that's there's. now A and. What?

1:20:16

I was not sure of his once

1:20:18

they have done that in see I

1:20:20

think it was going through my mind.

1:20:23

Actually you know knowing your complaints, have

1:20:25

you just had our conversation or second

1:20:27

conversation about the first film about Lady

1:20:29

Jessica? You know she's so instrumental. Matt

1:20:31

opening scene she becomes this. You know

1:20:34

Profits has slashed the which figure and

1:20:36

I thought oh man Adams gotta be

1:20:38

loving this. You wanted more Lady Gallegus

1:20:40

boy is he getting the ladies ask

1:20:43

us But then she drinks this this

1:20:45

water of life. Slash weren't juice

1:20:47

and it's. It's almost

1:20:49

as if like she has. I.

1:20:51

Don't to seize become zombified.

1:20:54

But the the question of.

1:20:56

Interior. Choice. Seems.

1:20:59

To be lost again with the

1:21:01

same thing seems to happen when

1:21:03

Paul uses to drink the water

1:21:05

of life. Now she does it.

1:21:08

More. Clearly it's because if she doesn't she's

1:21:10

threatened with death. And so it's it. Sort

1:21:12

of a scenario where okay she's gonna do

1:21:14

it. And see what happens,

1:21:16

his is a little more clouded. I may

1:21:18

not be ice, I saw this like two

1:21:20

and a half weeks ago. Now that I

1:21:22

think at that point he has started to

1:21:25

lean toward pursuing. Embrace seen

1:21:27

this Messianic roll. Maybe not because

1:21:29

he fully believes he is the

1:21:31

most, but because he knows he

1:21:34

can use that status to achieve

1:21:36

revenge. On the harken in

1:21:38

for murdering his. Countrymen.

1:21:41

And family. And so perhaps that's why

1:21:43

he chooses to drink it. But my

1:21:45

question is. Is it

1:21:47

your impression that once doing that

1:21:49

they do. Lose.

1:21:52

The. Faculty of Let's Just Caught Free Will

1:21:54

because I think this is where some of

1:21:57

the interesting religious questions come in as well.

1:21:59

And what. There's an intriguing interrogation

1:22:01

of the white savior trope

1:22:03

because it start a figure.

1:22:06

Conflicted. About that. And. Wrestling

1:22:08

with that now became a figure who

1:22:11

is sort of hypnotized to be that

1:22:13

which to me this was the struck

1:22:15

I had to the last third or

1:22:17

whatever is because I felt like I

1:22:19

was watching Paul essentially doing what he

1:22:21

working out a spell that had been

1:22:24

cast upon him. But am I totally

1:22:26

misread in that? No, No, no I

1:22:28

don't I don't think you are at

1:22:30

all. I think that's all very well

1:22:32

said and I think I think we

1:22:34

see at the same way. And

1:22:37

I think we agree. On a

1:22:39

lot in terms of how we

1:22:41

responded to be his story lines

1:22:43

in these characters, On what happens

1:22:45

to them, maybe terms of how

1:22:47

much we appreciate them. We differ

1:22:49

slightly and. I'll. Try to explain. We.

1:22:53

I. Think are in lock step. On Lady

1:22:55

Jessica. Were. That's

1:22:58

what I was starting to get at. At

1:23:00

the end of our. Review. Proper

1:23:02

were once see drinks.

1:23:05

The. Poison as it's referred. to. Drink

1:23:07

that that water of life. It

1:23:10

is as if she becomes to

1:23:12

zest. Yeah, and while there's a

1:23:15

part of that that I found

1:23:17

really. Interesting in a

1:23:19

in a sinister kind away I responded

1:23:21

to and I liked that moment to

1:23:24

were either now she's talking to the

1:23:26

to the baby Insider said she has

1:23:28

that that monologue but she gets to

1:23:30

talk to this creature. So it's not

1:23:32

just her giving us soliloquy and talking

1:23:34

to herself she says and maybe she's

1:23:36

actually not talking out loud. I can't

1:23:38

remember the scene see of course it

1:23:40

is having this conversation you know in

1:23:42

their heads. I don't think she's saying

1:23:45

these words what she's thinking. and

1:23:47

expressing his this notion that. To

1:23:50

advance. What? We need

1:23:52

to advance. We.

1:23:54

Need to start. Swaying.

1:23:57

Followers who we are going to start on

1:23:59

this path. This is not such a whisper

1:24:02

campaign reduced or to whisper campaign. We're going

1:24:04

to make sure everyone has heard about. Tall

1:24:06

Move our depot. Yeah, he's got the at

1:24:08

other Dame to the one still Garth call

1:24:10

them that I'm I'm kind of blanking on

1:24:13

the lists on. The. Sun

1:24:15

something. Yeah, you're not in a blank face

1:24:17

for me, yeah, but but he has his

1:24:19

own term for him. Be right wherever. Being

1:24:21

the messiah as well, the friend and do

1:24:23

so. In. Order To advance

1:24:25

That cause. This is what

1:24:27

we're going to start doing. Where to

1:24:29

start converting people and we're going to

1:24:32

start with the Us the most vulnerable.

1:24:34

She just says yes which is is

1:24:36

a very common criticism of religion. Yeah

1:24:38

no, it's an interesting throughout the ages

1:24:40

everything. myself I thought that was really

1:24:42

sick. Unfortunately the more. We're.

1:24:45

Exposed to Lady Jessica the more

1:24:47

she does seem to be under

1:24:49

some kind of spell and that

1:24:52

humanity that mother. Part. Of

1:24:54

her that that part of her that's just

1:24:56

a compassionate. Epithetic human

1:24:58

being who might be wrestling with let's

1:25:00

see those see kind of has to

1:25:02

do for the sake of her son.

1:25:05

and also with tied all the stuff

1:25:07

with the Betty do read that of

1:25:09

course she's not. She's not extricated herself

1:25:11

from all of that stuff matters. And

1:25:14

so that conflict is what should make

1:25:16

her so fascinating. But the conflict doesn't

1:25:18

seem to be there. She just seems

1:25:20

to be full on him in possession

1:25:23

mode. I've now been overtaken. You said

1:25:25

it. Well, I've I've been overtaken by

1:25:27

this. Thought and. I've.

1:25:30

I've now operating as if truly under

1:25:32

some kind of spell. She becomes less

1:25:34

and less interesting the more that seems

1:25:36

to be the reality. Even the conversations

1:25:38

see them later has with Paul where

1:25:40

they are. Truly literally

1:25:42

mother and son. I still didn't get

1:25:45

enough of that humanity coming through self.

1:25:47

I thought that was a mess with

1:25:49

her. Character is seems like for the

1:25:51

same reasons that you. He. Said

1:25:54

with Paul by the

1:25:56

end. I. Came around

1:25:58

to the notion that even though the

1:26:00

movie seems to make a similar choice

1:26:02

with him where the moment he drinks

1:26:04

that. That. Poison.

1:26:08

He. Becomes a different person. There's no

1:26:10

doubt he becomes a different person. He

1:26:12

starts acting differently. He writes behaving in

1:26:15

a way that would suggest he's imbued

1:26:17

with a special power. and he knows

1:26:19

he's the one now and he's going

1:26:21

to start wielding that power. The movie

1:26:24

has him on that trajectory. And

1:26:27

we see the doubts. We see the

1:26:29

disappointment coming from Sani, but by the

1:26:31

end he kind of gives up the.

1:26:34

To. Give that up Doesn't He gives away

1:26:36

the secret? Their doesn't he? At the end

1:26:38

when he says when he says to her

1:26:40

no matter what happens, whatever zigzag, why does

1:26:43

no matter what happens, know that I've always

1:26:45

loved you. To. Me:

1:26:47

that's him saying. Hey. This.

1:26:50

Is all for show. And. You also said

1:26:52

that Well, basically not that it's all for So

1:26:54

I think there's part of him that is still

1:26:56

wrestling with this notion that there's a whole lot

1:26:58

of evidence. That. Would suggest

1:27:00

he really is the one whether our he

1:27:02

fully believe it or not. I think what he

1:27:05

believes in is beyond revenge which I do think

1:27:07

that is still an element here for sure.

1:27:10

Beyond. Revenge what he's interested in, His.

1:27:13

I'm still giving him the credit for wanting

1:27:15

to accomplish what he initially wanted to accomplish,

1:27:17

which is to. Liberate,

1:27:19

The freshman. The Us. And.

1:27:22

Is. Being their

1:27:24

savior. And. Utilizing.

1:27:27

The power that he has. Whether

1:27:30

or not that power means he's truly

1:27:32

the one or not, or whether or

1:27:34

not the ones should even be someone

1:27:36

like him. Someone who's an outsider. It's.

1:27:39

Wielding that power gets him closer to those

1:27:41

objectives than he's going to wield and so

1:27:43

at the end will receive that's and and

1:27:45

when I think about unless they will say

1:27:47

just is when I watch all the dune

1:27:49

I'm thinking a lot about what are my

1:27:51

favorite. Shakespeare. Plays and maybe

1:27:53

that's why it doesn't have quite match ups. In

1:27:55

terms of the he would drop under psychology, it's

1:27:58

because I've I've comparing it to had read. Or

1:28:00

parts wanted to and had read the

1:28:02

fifth editor seek for had three plays

1:28:04

to. The play. All of

1:28:06

this out we've got Fade rather

1:28:08

is basically the Hotspur character, the

1:28:11

rival to Prince How here assuming

1:28:13

the throat to similarities are definitely

1:28:15

there and the same way Prince

1:28:17

How in assuming the throne and

1:28:19

becoming. King. Henry. Understands.

1:28:24

How to manipulate his

1:28:27

position and. Understands

1:28:29

how to play the game, To.

1:28:33

Further, His agenda, That's

1:28:35

it's. very different, but that's kind of

1:28:37

how I see what he's doing at

1:28:39

the very end of the I don't

1:28:42

think that this new, this new version

1:28:44

of Paul has been completely. Or.

1:28:47

Even may be mostly consumed yes by

1:28:49

whatever that other power it that still

1:28:51

taking him over and that took over

1:28:53

his mother. I think he still battling

1:28:56

with it. In the end we know

1:28:58

that everything is doing as a ploy.

1:29:00

It's an Atm. That's how I

1:29:02

saw. yeah I guess all the conflicts you

1:29:04

described. I got more of that before drinking

1:29:06

the water of life than I did after

1:29:08

I felt I felt like a flattened him.

1:29:11

Yeah. I'm that act flattened him

1:29:13

and it's certainly a possibility what

1:29:15

you describe is still there. Because

1:29:19

and I hope so for the third part

1:29:21

that you know that will make it more

1:29:23

interesting, but the presentation is much more flat.

1:29:25

I don't see that struggle. I don't see

1:29:28

that conflict. And

1:29:30

and I just a ploy is less

1:29:32

interesting to me in in the Final

1:29:34

Thirds than the struggle of the middle

1:29:37

sections where we still saw some of

1:29:39

Paul's actual humanity arbor yeah, it's not.

1:29:41

it's now the question that it's possible

1:29:43

there at the best for Cf the

1:29:45

I guess. Where. I

1:29:47

get I'm agreeing with you in

1:29:49

terms of how it's presented, but

1:29:52

if you like me, Watch

1:29:54

the end of the film. And.

1:29:58

See. Him as someone. Who.

1:30:01

Is. Accepting a role

1:30:03

that he thinks is the right role. The.

1:30:06

Role he has to accept. Even.

1:30:08

If he's not totally sure

1:30:10

it's it's who he is

1:30:13

then. It. Read.

1:30:15

Informs eerie contextualize as those moments the

1:30:17

you said seem to be flattened. That's

1:30:19

what he did for me anyway. where

1:30:21

it's like when he goes and stands

1:30:23

and for of the world all the

1:30:26

friend then on that little stage and

1:30:28

says. I'm the one in

1:30:30

from Leeds itself to be the savior and

1:30:32

is now this aggressive war like character.

1:30:34

He's a different Paul. The different Paul that

1:30:36

that Sony is judging for becoming the

1:30:38

way she didn't want him to become but

1:30:41

feared he probably would. At least that's

1:30:43

how how I read it. In.

1:30:45

The moment you're watching that thinking oh, he's

1:30:47

he's just like his mother. He's just become

1:30:49

possessed by this and that's who he is

1:30:52

Now the N B B Read: Think that

1:30:54

and when I watch or when I think

1:30:56

about that, See now. The wrestling

1:30:58

isn't in see him literally wrestling

1:31:00

but I'm watching those scenes thou

1:31:02

in my mind are playing them

1:31:04

back and thinking about a character

1:31:07

who doesn't. Fully. Believe

1:31:09

everything you saying and yet has to

1:31:11

sell it as convincingly as he does.

1:31:13

and that makes the scenes actually. A

1:31:16

imbued with a certain tension Do? and you

1:31:18

think that's in the performance because you've been

1:31:20

critical of his performed made us cuz that's

1:31:22

a lot of intricate. Yeah, need to Those

1:31:24

moments that I don't know that adding Charlemagne

1:31:26

fine but I know that he's bringing that.

1:31:28

They are no secrets but those scenes you're

1:31:30

talking about. this is kind of my point.

1:31:32

I think it's it's hard they even with

1:31:34

spoilers to really may be fully get this

1:31:36

cross. But what I'm saying is. For.

1:31:39

Him to be as convincing as

1:31:41

he is and from as that

1:31:44

new character. Yeah, no, no

1:31:46

internal conflict coming through it

1:31:48

all because it can't for

1:31:50

Hilda to fully sell it.

1:31:53

To the people in and convince them

1:31:55

that he is the Messiah Their kids

1:31:57

be Any of that doubt he has

1:31:59

to. Act as if he has no doubt. In.

1:32:02

The moment I think the absence of doubt

1:32:04

means that the movie isn't giving him enough

1:32:06

complexity. But when I get to the end

1:32:09

of the film and I see oh he's

1:32:11

actually still Paul He still of Chinese but

1:32:13

he's gonna do all of this to move

1:32:15

this for Roka that that that that makes

1:32:17

that that active having no doubt and and

1:32:20

being so convincing. A

1:32:22

tremendous. Acting. Job by

1:32:24

him and then also an acting job

1:32:26

by the character throw. It also means

1:32:28

like to think about what it would

1:32:30

mean to be that person in the

1:32:32

moment to not believe what you're saying

1:32:34

but have to render it that we

1:32:36

are so so. What's the part of

1:32:38

the end? I think this is where

1:32:40

where I'm getting tripped up. That convinces

1:32:42

you he still Paul. Well maybe I'm

1:32:44

reading too much into it just but.

1:32:46

He he turns to her right before

1:32:48

he turns. he turns to Tiny right

1:32:50

before he turns to the Emperor and

1:32:52

turns to Florence. Few and says. I'm.

1:32:56

I'm going to take her hands and

1:32:58

rule the Galaxy. That's right. That's right. He

1:33:00

turns to Tiny and says. Whatever.

1:33:02

Happens know that I've always loved yeah

1:33:04

and the way the way I interpreted

1:33:07

that was him saying. Hey.

1:33:10

You're not going to like was about to

1:33:12

have they got your Life But don't don't

1:33:14

worry about it too much that a movie

1:33:17

of course still shows that C C is

1:33:19

going to worry about it. Garcia as you

1:33:21

would expect, but. I get

1:33:23

a maybe I'm putting to my don't know

1:33:25

battling play that all I see that seem

1:33:27

to betray me be or the wrong word

1:33:29

there but that that seemed to suggest what

1:33:31

is psychology at that moment really was no

1:33:34

it doesn't mean what makes us complicated is

1:33:36

that he is still someone in that moment.

1:33:39

Who. For. Whatever means to

1:33:41

not fully believe that you're the

1:33:43

one, or embrace that at the

1:33:45

internally psychologically as the messiah. He.

1:33:48

Still, like everyone else can't deny that

1:33:51

he has certain power right over the

1:33:53

know. I think what to be? Interesting

1:33:55

things about Rifle Narrative yes of acting

1:33:57

on them seems to suggest that he

1:33:59

then much the believe. Who. He

1:34:01

is because he's He's utilizing

1:34:04

the pairs, but. But. Maybe

1:34:06

it is more complicated than that? Maybe his.

1:34:08

Maybe he's utilizing the powers that in utilizing

1:34:10

the powers. He's. He's

1:34:13

walking that line between. Between.

1:34:15

Belief and non belief. or it's kind of

1:34:17

like episode has storm hours. I mean in

1:34:19

some ways he's testing. wow he's testing it

1:34:22

out. or sorta like. you know it's hard

1:34:24

not to watch this movie. sometimes of they

1:34:26

give other things like Star Wars Two. Is

1:34:28

he a character who your. Your.

1:34:31

Kind of embracing the dark side. It even if

1:34:33

you're a bracing the dark toilet, you know it.

1:34:35

You know your embracing the dark side. But guess

1:34:37

what? Even. If you doing

1:34:39

it knowingly you embrace it too much you

1:34:41

might be consumed by it in and it

1:34:44

eventually it it destroys. That's the tension I

1:34:46

think the movie wants to wants to display

1:34:48

and I guess because of the yeah and

1:34:50

I was able to look back on those

1:34:52

scenes in a different way. But. No,

1:34:55

The dark. The dark. About two your and us.

1:34:57

Yeah, the dark side comparison is good. When it

1:34:59

came to mind for me as well, I think

1:35:01

that's what I was looking for as a little

1:35:03

bit more of that internal struggle that we see

1:35:05

in and and you know, You. Know

1:35:08

Mark Hamill some Skywalker not my greatest

1:35:10

Safe I performance other but I think

1:35:12

we do. We do see that espousing

1:35:14

something like Return of the July is

1:35:16

it that the allure of the Dark

1:35:18

Side and the push Paul I will

1:35:20

say this was shown his performance Back

1:35:22

to the senior we're talking about where

1:35:24

he walks into that room and and

1:35:26

claims power and and it's him against

1:35:28

like a Thousand Rice And what I

1:35:30

liked about it is shallow. May is

1:35:32

somewhat similar to Kyle Mclachlan in sort

1:35:34

of. Performative, Stature let's say.

1:35:36

And and I discovered that been one of

1:35:38

the real low points of David Lynch's Dude

1:35:41

Is is when we're supposed to by Kyle

1:35:43

Mclachlan as this. You know that this warrior

1:35:45

king figure, messianic warrior king and I don't

1:35:47

remember how the When Seen plays out. Maybe