0:00

Reese's Peanut butter Cups are the greatest, but

0:02

let me play devil's advocate here. Let's

0:04

you eat, so... No, that's a good thing. That's

0:08

definitely not a problem. Reese's,

0:11

you did it! You stumped this

0:13

charming devil. What

0:19

kind of a show are you guys putting on here today?

0:21

You're not interested in art? No. Now

0:23

look, we're going to do this thing. We're going to have a conversation.

0:28

From Chicago, this is Film Spotting. I'm Adam

0:30

Kempinar. And I'm Josh Larson. All you have

0:32

to do is follow three simple rules. One,

0:36

never underestimate your opponent. Expect

0:39

the unexpected. Two, take

0:42

it outside. Never start anything

0:44

inside the bar unless it's

0:46

absolutely necessary. And

0:49

three, be nice. I

0:52

hope you're listening to Dalton there, Josh. Whatever

0:54

you've got planned for this Roadhouse review, do

0:56

not underestimate me. And be

0:58

nice. I never underestimate

1:01

you, Adam. I'll try my

1:03

best with the other one. This week,

1:05

a pair of Roadhouse reviews, the

1:07

89 original starring Patrick Swayze, and

1:09

the remake with Jake Gyllenhaal. That

1:12

and more. Pain don't hurt, Josh.

1:14

Unless you're hurting my feelings. Ahead on

1:16

Film Spotting. Welcome

1:30

to Film Spotting. You know, this

1:33

doesn't happen very often, Josh. I'm going to

1:35

put out a little disclaimer as we're recording.

1:38

This show, as we usually do in our separate homes, have

1:40

a little work being done on the house. Also

1:43

have two little kids running around. So

1:46

I can't guarantee that it's going to be a

1:48

perfectly quiet recording environment. Maybe you'll hear some of

1:51

those sounds bleeding through. Any producer

1:53

saying will work as magic and somehow get rid

1:55

of all of it. Or maybe it'll just add

1:57

a bar house brawl, you know,

1:59

aesthetic. to the proceedings. This is, we might

2:01

as well note, a rare daytime recording.

2:04

That's right. And speaking of Roadhouse,

2:06

what bad timing? Because if I

2:09

ever could use one

2:11

of the beers I tend to enjoy when we're recording

2:13

at night, it's probably this show.

2:15

Unfortunately, I'm going to stick with my morning

2:17

tea for this one. It is

2:19

pretty early here, Josh. Opening this weekend,

2:21

I might need some help with the

2:23

pronunciation here. Godzilla Times Kong,

2:26

what are they doing? Did they say it in

2:28

the movie? So I don't think,

2:30

I don't believe they say it in the movie.

2:32

Just saw this last night. Did Godzilla say it?

2:34

I'm going to just, no, no. Godzilla just roars

2:36

and screams at him. Come on. I'm

2:39

going to change my strategy here. Previously, I

2:41

was just going Godzilla Kong. I was just

2:43

mashing them together. But now that I have

2:45

seen it, things definitely

2:47

multiply. I would say Godzilla and

2:49

Kong are both multiplied. So let's

2:51

go with Godzilla Times Kong, the

2:54

new empire. Yeah, you got to include

2:56

the new empire. I haven't seen it. You have.

2:59

And not only that, you've been

3:01

doing your homework. You caught up recently with the

3:03

entire Godzilla Kong extended universe. And we'll have some

3:05

thoughts later in the show. Not only have I

3:07

not seen this movie, but I didn't even know

3:09

until now that there was a Godzilla Kong extended

3:12

universe. I was going to ask you if you

3:14

knew the name, if you knew what

3:16

they call this. No? No.

3:18

What is it? Is there? You probably could have

3:20

got it on your first

3:22

guess. Monsterverse. The GKEU. Oh,

3:25

I like GKEU better. Let's go with

3:27

that. Sure. Also later in the

3:29

show, Madness, Best of the 1950s,

3:32

Final Four match ups are set. We've got

3:34

Hitchcock. We've got more Hitchcock. We've

3:37

got arguably the greatest musical of all time.

3:39

And Akira Kurosawa's 7th

3:41

best film. Oh, you've got the

3:43

official ranking now. Well, Sam

3:45

threw that in, actually. I don't know

3:47

where I have it, right? If I'm

3:49

being totally honest. Just want to play

3:51

up the bit, Josh. For more information

3:53

or to vote, filmspotting.net/madness. Here

3:55

we are. Never thought it would

3:58

happen. Never. Never dreamed. back when

4:00

the show began in 2005 that someday

4:02

we'd be devoting an opening

4:04

segment review to Roadhouse.

4:06

We're giving you a double deuce. We'll get to the

4:09

unfortunate Jake Gyllenhaal version later.

4:11

That one is currently streaming exclusively on

4:13

Prime Video. We are going to begin

4:16

with the 1989 original which turns

4:19

35 this year, directed by Rowdy Harrington,

4:21

who is a real person with that

4:23

real name. Quick note on Rowdy Harrington,

4:25

because I don't know if he'll come

4:27

up much in our discussion, but turns

4:29

out he has made other films. Oh

4:32

yeah. And I've actually seen another one

4:34

of his films, Bobby Jones, Stroke of

4:36

Genius, a golf biopic with Jim

4:39

Caviezel, Not Great, Better

4:41

Than Roadhouse, though I will say. Well,

4:43

let's not get carried away. Roadhouse came

4:45

to theaters in May 1989 and

4:48

was the 44th highest grossing movie of

4:50

the year and made 30 million dollars

4:52

domestically. Patrick Swayze is Dalton, a cooler,

4:55

who was famous in the nightclub industry

4:57

for bringing order to bars and other

4:59

watering holes plagued by violence or in

5:01

Dalton's words, too many 40 year old

5:04

adolescents, felons, power drinkers and trustees of

5:06

modern chemistry. And here I thought you

5:08

might tear down the screenplay, Josh. Dalton,

5:10

we also learned, has a philosophy degree from NYU

5:12

and killed a man in

5:15

Memphis. I think they call that a double major. They

5:17

do. He's hired by the owner of Jasper,

5:19

Missouri's double deuce to work his magic, but

5:22

he runs into problems when he comes up

5:24

against the town gangster, Brad Wesley, played by

5:26

Ben Gazzara. You know, when I came

5:28

to this town after Korea, there was nothing. I

5:31

brought the ball here. I got

5:33

the 7-11. I got the photo

5:35

mat here. Christ, J.C. Penney is coming

5:37

here because of me. You ask anybody, they'll

5:39

tell you. You've gotten

5:41

rich off of the people in this town. You

5:45

bet your ass I have. And I'm

5:48

gonna get richer. I

5:50

believe we all have a purpose on this earth,

5:53

a destiny. I

5:56

have a faith in that destiny. It tells me to

5:59

Gather unto. The What Is My. Christ,

6:02

you get paid for beating people up.

6:05

Tell me at all love it because

6:07

you know you wouldn't be human of

6:09

you that this is one of those

6:11

weeds Josh where I couldn't avoid your

6:14

letterbox take down of the movie were

6:16

talking about. Well, more accurately, I couldn't

6:18

avoid seeing producer Sam's proposed episode structure

6:20

in the Zone spotting Slack where he

6:23

penciled this in for segment one. Lie:

6:25

Roadhouse Eighty Nine is a trash masterpiece/jail

6:27

counterpoint. From there I

6:30

saw your letterbox take down and

6:32

it kind of broke my brain.

6:34

Not because of the sentiment is

6:37

unsurprising. Still disciplining, as it was

6:39

profoundly stupid. Beyond. What I

6:41

could ever have imagined you wrote. That.

6:43

Said I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys

6:45

nostalgically laughing their way through it. And

6:48

I know you didn't intend to reckon with

6:51

the notion of nostalgia. and we're just making

6:53

the movie the for the past few days.

6:55

I've been reckoning with the notion of nostalgia,

6:57

and I've concluded that. It's

6:59

confusing. I get that

7:01

it's an emotion triggered by a single your

7:04

sound or smell or item and I believe

7:06

it's real. The can a sudden subconscious wave

7:08

truly buttress, say a favorable revisit of a

7:10

movie you enjoyed as a kid. Maybe I'm

7:13

over thinking all this because it a bit

7:15

of coincident. Spotting my We Watch of Road

7:17

House and the release of the remake corresponded

7:19

with the trip back to my hometown to

7:22

celebrate the fiftieth birthday of a guy who

7:24

has been one of my best friends. Since.

7:26

Third grade. He also have to be the

7:29

lead singer and the band I've been part

7:31

of since two years before Roadhouse was released.

7:34

Did I mention that were a cover band? And

7:37

when we reunite, it's not just

7:39

the music of our youth that

7:41

we cover. We cover all the

7:43

old band stories and school stories

7:45

and movie quotes. Forget the free

7:47

beer we get in exchange for

7:49

performing these weekends are fueled by

7:51

one hundred percent pure uncut nostalgia.

7:54

Does. That explain why I enjoy playing talk

7:56

Dirty to me for the twenty seven

7:58

hundred the time. I haven't

8:00

otherwise willingly listen to it. and multiple

8:02

decades the crunch of the first C

8:05

chord opens up a wormhole. the transports

8:07

five middle aged friends back to middle

8:09

school. My musical taste

8:11

along with my movie taste has evolved

8:13

considerably since the band begin. But as

8:15

Dumb as Talk Dirty To Me is.

8:18

When my go so far as to call it. Profoundly.

8:20

Stupid. It's. Fun! I

8:22

wouldn't classify it is particularly good. But.

8:25

It is a good time. Now

8:27

this is the part where you assume I

8:29

will equate Roadhouse to that's easy poison to

8:31

from my past Dumb. But. Fun!

8:34

A good time. That. Is a particularly

8:36

good. Except. Not only

8:38

do I disavow the concept of guilty movie

8:40

pleasures, I disavow the concept that Road House

8:42

isn't good. Here's something else.

8:45

Stumps writing a roadhouse set up prompting

8:47

you to pontificate about nostalgia. Would you

8:49

don't like it Now It didn't even

8:51

see it then. In your

8:53

effortless adolescent sophistication, you evaded

8:56

the gravitational pull of both

8:58

Bret Michaels excessively hairspray, bleach

9:00

blonde locks and Patrick Swayze.

9:02

These magnificent Mullen. But

9:05

genuinely. I'm curious to hear

9:07

your musings on the power of

9:09

nostalgia, especially when the alternative is

9:11

your articulation of how reasonable wrote

9:13

houses. However, This. Is don't

9:15

spotting? Not Psychology spotting. And

9:17

I haven't come up with a clever ruse

9:19

to get you off the podcast premises yet.

9:21

So. Maybe. A lot for me. A

9:23

little of both. Do. You believe

9:26

nostalgia is such a commanding force

9:28

that it can completely shut downs

9:30

one intellectual? artistic sealed. Under.

9:33

What circumstances? And since there's no

9:35

hope of tag team in this

9:37

review like were Dalton and wait,

9:39

Garret's you're older than me so

9:41

definitely would be weighed in. this

9:43

scenario Painted you. I too had

9:45

a bullet and Eighty Nine Assists

9:47

involves V and imagine an alternate

9:49

universe where teenage Just Larson sees

9:52

Roadhouse. And. Suddenly transforms into

9:54

the only kid doing tae t a

9:56

dog on a lot of the southwest

9:58

suburban Chicago home. Noted

10:00

in said alternate universe, this

10:03

incidentally way Cooler just follows

10:05

every blissful minded body cleansing

10:08

session. With. A smoke. Move.

10:11

Yeah, wasn't ever really tempted to smoke either.

10:13

As a matter of a to what was

10:16

wrong with Vs at a risk to good

10:18

have a voice know you do. You know

10:20

you do like to pull the word sophistication

10:22

out when we have differing memories of the

10:25

late eighties. had. I don't know that that's

10:27

accurate. I just think I have a different

10:29

experience of what pop culture attracted me at

10:31

the time. If I'm looking at nineteen, Eighty

10:34

Nine is what. And sophistication wasn't that I

10:36

was. No, it's a different experience. Sophistication is

10:38

like I'm watching ourselves. You know, at. That

10:40

moment and maybe it's all relative. I

10:42

was a freshman in high school, I

10:44

think so maybe I was starting to

10:46

dip my toes in that arena. But

10:48

when I look at Eighty Nine mans,

10:50

a thing I was most direct about

10:52

was Tim Burton's Batman. So maybe it's

10:54

just a matter of me being dirty

10:56

or that is you were at that

10:58

time and those were the distinctions in

11:00

said why I was in a rock

11:02

band just so clearly. You're

11:05

cool with a capital gains. Ah, so yeah.

11:07

it might just be a distinction of of

11:09

the things we're interested. In in the

11:11

time at the time I'm I'm a

11:14

little regret about the letterbox review. I'll

11:16

say profoundly stupid I would not want

11:18

any form of the word profound near

11:21

Roadhouse Nineteen Eighty Nine. I should have

11:23

left that entirely out. But your question

11:25

is taking me directly where I want

11:28

to go. at least in hearing about

11:30

your experience. From the film's to the

11:32

alternate universe scenario, there's There's not much

11:35

we can do with that. You know,

11:37

this wasn't a movie that attracted me

11:39

than and probably. Some other those are some

11:41

of the reasons I still didn't enjoy it Now. But

11:44

I think I was trying to bring

11:47

a different lens to at this time.

11:49

I honestly thought I was gonna get

11:51

a cheesy eighties action comedy that sure

11:53

wasn't great, but had some endearing qualities.

11:55

And unfortunate I didn't find that's but

11:57

the nostalgia question is a terribly death.

12:00

One He. and that's why I'm

12:02

confused. It's it's yeah. I don't

12:04

think it's a radiance, or I

12:06

will say this. I think the

12:08

Stelzer is a completely legit lens

12:10

through which to view movies and

12:12

appreciate them. This is a powerful

12:14

emotional way of engaging with art,

12:16

and I was think about this

12:18

to. I think it's maybe even

12:20

more so the case with music

12:22

because. Music is going

12:24

to instantly transport you to.

12:27

A friend's backyard or a ride on

12:29

a bike or been in in in

12:32

the car at with friends and listen

12:34

to a song for the first time

12:36

and he does not matter if now

12:38

when you are perhaps more sophisticated a

12:40

know more about music you could say

12:42

this is just. A Fact:

12:44

Songs: It doesn't matter because it's

12:46

triggering all those feelings and those

12:48

are valid feelings. Does are valid

12:50

memories. They are often to your

12:53

stories tied directly to the people

12:55

you originally shared the art with

12:57

ends. There is no need to

12:59

dismiss that when revisiting this form.

13:01

Whether it's music or movies I

13:03

engage in a to just probably

13:05

with different sense. I.

13:07

Do think when you're talking about

13:09

arts criticism, Which. Is

13:11

ostensibly what we're doing on the

13:13

shelves. The. Way I would say it

13:16

is I don't sickness Dell just should be dismissed. I

13:19

don't think it can be the guiding force

13:21

ah, I'm and I don't figure arguing this

13:23

either, but just not annually as we think

13:25

about the topic. So I don't think we

13:28

need to completely tossed nostalgia sites, but we

13:30

may be need to adjust the calibrations a

13:32

little bit. I'm I'm fine with nostalgia been

13:34

problem x were not robots but I do

13:37

think you have to bring something to the

13:39

table if you're doing art criticism that you

13:41

appreciate about a movie. That's.

13:43

Separate from your nostalgic feelings about it.

13:45

And here's where you know you're joking

13:48

about that What? what was was poisoned

13:50

song you're talking about. You said yes,

13:52

You're joking about the you know, the

13:55

crunch of the first C chord. But

13:57

that's something specific and aesthetic that you

13:59

can say. Hey, maybe most people consider

14:01

the song to be trash, and it's

14:04

not taken very seriously. But here's a

14:06

particular thing that I appreciate. I appreciate

14:08

about the construction of the songs, the

14:11

way it works. These are the things

14:13

that I think we can bring to

14:15

bear to pieces of nostalgia. Art Bet.

14:18

That. Brings about nostalgia and say, okay, yeah, I

14:20

love it because of those memories. I also

14:22

think it holds up because of their so

14:24

that's the sort of stuff I want to

14:26

get into. know it's tough when this doesn't

14:28

work out. I think of movies like Goonies

14:30

For me, I think of movies like Ghostbusters.

14:32

I would have died for those films when

14:34

they first came out right and they're both

14:36

movies I still enjoy when I watch. Now

14:38

I'm but they've really fallen in by steam,

14:40

at least as an adult, and I recognize

14:42

that. Back to the calibrations, The Nostalgia is

14:44

doing a lot of work, and maybe there's

14:46

a few things here there that I. Can

14:48

say yeah, but this was really smart about

14:50

the film. This is. This. Is

14:53

something that I'm. You know

14:55

the movie makes me think about now that

14:57

it didn't than this is something I realized

14:59

the movie is thinking about now that I

15:01

missed than or again. Just some of these

15:03

creative choices that you appreciates doesn't always work

15:06

out. Goonies. Ghostbusters some time

15:08

it does. Sometimes you get back

15:10

to the future and it's like

15:12

well this hits album style sick

15:14

notes but as an adult it

15:16

offers even more. It was great

15:19

then. It's greater now. So.

15:21

That's I want to hear. Adam: Why is

15:23

Roadhouse Eighty Nine If it is? Your

15:26

back to the future armed or is this

15:28

just more of a static experience that you

15:30

know I just can't have not having not

15:32

having seen it before. You

15:35

put it back on me and it's a tough

15:37

thing to address. I mean, I do need to

15:40

say first of all that back to the futures.

15:42

My back to the theater. Say it's not. It's

15:44

not Roadhouse. I've got all of those as well

15:46

as that movie that you just mentioned. The Michael

15:48

J. Fox movie is one of those. Landmark.

15:51

Nostalgic films for me. I do need

15:54

to circle back real quick and say

15:56

that you definitely don't deserve to be

15:58

weighed Garrett in this scenario. No way

16:00

you should get to be Sam Elliott,

16:02

especially when you're clearly bread was least

16:04

for the purposes of this review, but.

16:07

Your. Answer about nostalgia was great and

16:09

that is the tough part of it. When

16:11

I said i'm I'm confused, rank confounded by

16:13

at. The. Thing that. I've.

16:16

Been really wrestling with his

16:18

you mention? It. Can be

16:20

a guiding force. But how is it

16:22

calibrated? Well, how is it calibrated? How

16:25

do you calibrate it? When I think

16:27

going back to even what you said

16:29

about hearing the sound of a certain

16:31

cord are hearing a song that reminds

16:33

you of the past. It's a subconscious

16:35

reactions. know? how do I know? No

16:38

matter how intellectually rigorous I think I'm

16:40

being, or how studiously I'm taking notes

16:42

and paying attention to things that. This

16:45

is very much the me of

16:47

now responding to how can I

16:49

know if I am completely separating?

16:51

That said, I'm not looking for

16:53

excuses just to justify my reaction

16:55

to this film, and I hope.

16:58

We. Can have a conversation about it where we

17:00

understand that in prison, get or even as I'm

17:02

going to do here in a moment. Talk about

17:04

some of the. Aesthetic choice the

17:07

movie makes. I'm. Not suggesting.

17:09

That. Rowdy Harrington are most

17:11

of the people involved with his film

17:13

are making films on the levels Martin

17:16

Scorsese or you know, Antonio. Any support

17:18

of course that's not what the film

17:20

is is aspiring to be. I

17:23

do think in this was a surprise for me

17:25

having not seen it since. Probably.

17:27

Eighty Nine or you know, a couple years after

17:29

on Tv. The. First thirty

17:31

minutes or so this film to set

17:33

up. I think our electric and I

17:35

think it's. World. Building the

17:38

Way Really good films do. World.

17:40

Building through character and world building

17:42

through the use of the cameras.

17:44

I look this up afterwards because

17:46

I was startled enough by it.

17:49

And. Watching how the cameras moving. I'm

17:51

watching the attention to detail of

17:53

the camera and you see. It.

17:56

Supply Dean Condi who shuttle this carpenter

17:58

stuff like Halloween and escape. From New

18:00

York in big trouble in Little China. Guess

18:02

what else he got? Oh the thing. He

18:05

also shot Romancing The Stone and Back To

18:07

the Future, as well as Drastic Park and

18:09

Apollo Thirteen. You. Get a

18:11

sense right away from that opening. Series.

18:14

The opening sequence of Kevin

18:16

tags character the doubled his

18:18

bar owners going to find

18:20

Dalton and him than making

18:22

the decision to come down

18:24

to Missouri. You see that.

18:27

They really understand. The. Filmmaker here.

18:29

Harrington and Candy understand how to use

18:31

the camera to tell a story. There's

18:33

very little dialogue. again it's all about

18:35

what the cameras noticing it being roadhouse

18:38

and it being nineteen eighty nine sometimes

18:40

what the cameras notice and Josh is

18:42

the attractive women who are going by

18:44

lot of male Daisy this go a

18:46

god. As my starts a little I

18:48

have fast and furious a road race

18:50

for camera angle you get quite a

18:52

bit acolytes exactly but point of view

18:54

shots and again the movement itself. To

18:57

capture a mood. And. Convey

18:59

information and particularly character.

19:02

Information. You. Start to

19:04

understand. What? The environment of

19:06

these clubs is like how

19:08

businesses transacted what this character.

19:11

Is. Aspiring to and always

19:13

aspiring do is to open a club that

19:15

will make him a little bit of money

19:18

and will give people a good time. But

19:20

watching him the camera, watching him react in

19:22

taken information. we then process who's he is

19:24

as a character. know that's not notable because

19:27

will then I really care about that guy.

19:29

I don't look up his name later right?

19:31

He doesn't actually have a significant role in

19:34

the film and on my list of favorite

19:36

roadhouse characters. He's probably you know, a number

19:38

eleven or twelve, but. I. Knew

19:40

who he was. I know what

19:42

he wants. It sets up the

19:44

entire action of the film and

19:46

grounds it in a realistic way.

19:49

And it's the movie. Doesn't take

19:51

any of that for granted, the

19:53

way you might expect this movie

19:55

to do based on it's reputation

19:57

Anyways, that it's just gonna sort

19:59

of. Revel in the

20:01

vulgarity of it's subject matter. know

20:04

there's there's actual craft here and

20:06

people paying attention to what they're

20:08

doing with the camera and the

20:10

storytelling structure. And if I'm if

20:13

I'm gonna reject the idea and

20:15

I am of nostalgically laughing. At.

20:18

Roadhouse though there are parts that

20:20

are undeniably a hoot. I

20:23

think the movie to it's credit. Please.

20:25

It. As. It should. He plays it

20:28

completely straight. I was thinking justice of This

20:30

is a big question we have to get

20:32

to see. I mean what I has happy

20:34

the Aws there and I'm getting and just

20:36

talk about a little bit. This the good

20:38

stuff that I wanted to hear about. Arms

20:40

You know it's towards the camera can stop

20:42

It's not adapt it, it's like a very

20:44

serviceable Copacabana. bring us into the night clubs

20:47

imitation even though this is obviously before Goodfellas.

20:49

But it's that you know the cameras going

20:51

to walk through and I clubs. I think

20:53

that Dean Candy was one of the first

20:55

names I noticed. It made me sit. Up,

20:57

Especially when the first image I believe

20:59

the very first image we did his

21:01

of a great fluorescent sign mom and

21:04

work with a camera is moving down.

21:06

It's taking up the entire screen pretty

21:08

much. And I

21:10

thought oh, okay, he's involved. Look at

21:12

the shot. Okay, here we go. I

21:14

have to say that was probably the

21:17

most engrossing shot the movies and even

21:19

when we get into that, you know

21:21

the first club or part of this

21:23

and you don't want to hold a

21:25

budget against the film. But it's

21:28

this is you know? Actually

21:30

the first that club is almost a

21:32

better. Setting. More

21:34

stronger production design And the double Deuce.

21:36

The double deuce is just so clear

21:39

that was like some since he soundstage

21:41

with whatever furniture they could dragon and

21:43

obviously because half of it's gonna get

21:45

broken before the scene. And I guess

21:47

my main problem was when you talk

21:49

about world building, you talk about character.

21:51

arm. It was so ridiculous And

21:53

here's where we could probably get into the

21:55

question you are you are about to touch

21:58

on. It was so ridiculous that. The

22:00

world. And. This is fine if you

22:02

want to do this but would not exist. Anywhere

22:04

outside of a cheesy eighties

22:07

Hollywood movie. These people. Yes,

22:09

these places these characters, their

22:12

predicaments. And so when it

22:14

is that ridiculous items, you

22:16

know, Even. If the camera

22:18

work was way beyond functional and and

22:21

even brilliance, it's not going to get

22:23

me to tear or invest in these

22:25

things or even this world. I just

22:27

could not take it seriously. Now here's

22:29

the bigger question. which is real? It

22:31

kind of. you know. complicated. Like the

22:33

nostalgia one is which you are getting

22:35

to is how much does that matter?

22:37

How much does Roadhouse Eighty Nine. Know.

22:41

That. A lot of this is silly

22:43

and is that a legitimate measuring stick

22:45

for the movie? or shouldn't matter? Like

22:47

to do we place more value on

22:50

a movie that's kind of goofy and

22:52

knows it. Or do we actually enjoy

22:54

a movie that's goofy and doesn't know

22:56

it is? It's almost like us as

22:59

think about these terms. Is it a

23:01

laughing at are last with question Mom

23:03

and I don't know that I have

23:05

a preference. Either way, I just know

23:07

watching Roadhouse, it didn't seem to have

23:10

a firm grasp of. What it wanted to

23:12

be. In. Terms of that question and

23:14

maybe that's why it left me a little

23:16

want seen as well as there were times

23:18

where you could tell you know they were

23:21

purposely been jokey. There were times where they

23:23

wanted to be earnest. Some actors were doing

23:25

one, others were doing another com and so

23:27

I could he be get my hands on

23:29

what Roadhouse was before I couldn't ask myself

23:32

the question. was it meeting that standard? If

23:34

it should be a standard and all? Yeah,

23:36

I. I. Disagree with the notion

23:38

that the movie doesn't know exactly what it

23:40

is and that everybody is singing up the

23:43

same. everybody. That that's everybody. That's my sense

23:45

of the film and again goes back to

23:47

and what did they bring Idealism on display?

23:49

I'll get. I'll get to that and I'll

23:51

frame it in terms of because I was.

23:53

I was wrestling with this myself and it's

23:56

here's what I'll say. Not that you'd necessarily

23:58

go into movies wanting it. always. The be

24:00

like this but I think what the tension

24:02

is here josh is that were acknowledging that

24:05

there's a lot of absurdity when it comes

24:07

to the stumps who you want The film.

24:09

To. Be smart enough to be aware and last

24:12

at itself and I'm glad the movie doesn't

24:14

last add itself and I don't want to

24:16

watch a movie. Frankly that last added self

24:18

I don't think they don't want to spend

24:20

a you like I said our nato or

24:22

are like of allow and and and I

24:24

don't and I don't think the the movie

24:26

is itself a and one be say something

24:28

to because I know all these touch on

24:30

this a little bit more what you're describing

24:33

in terms of this being kind of here

24:35

again an alternate universe like nothing real about

24:37

it that's not any different than the movies

24:39

Did this film. Is clearly lifting from

24:41

a western. Westerns are transporting you when

24:43

you go to the film to watch

24:45

this heightened world of heroes and vivid

24:48

their much silly air. Nothing terribly or.

24:51

I don't know if I totally agree with that. They

24:54

do play it straight or that's part of the. What?

24:56

I would say is the charm of this

24:58

film is that what it knows it is.

25:01

Is a late eighties version. Of.

25:04

Those films and I think it's at

25:06

least aware that it's it's playing with

25:08

the idea. not enough a challenging or

25:10

subversive way. It's not a neo western

25:12

I wouldn't call it that, but it's

25:15

playing with the idea of how far

25:17

can we stretch this, this idea of

25:19

taking appeal right or type character. a

25:21

high plains drifter, seen even elements, a

25:23

real bravo here and transported to being

25:26

a bouncer in a Midwestern club. I

25:28

think that's what the movie very much

25:30

knows that it is. And so I've

25:32

I've speak about films. The do and

25:34

don't hold up from the time and

25:37

movies from the time that I liked

25:39

then like I like roadhouse but. But

25:41

weren't quite as memorable, And.

25:43

Also, now looking back on them. certainly to

25:46

me aren't aren't quite as good and I

25:48

do you like dutifully come up with ratios

25:50

here. Didn't have an Alex Garland as we're

25:52

talking about x market us and next week

25:55

youths you put forth some ratio about the

25:57

level of. The. To

25:59

views in. The doubt? sure whether it's all

26:01

about or whatever. So here's here's I'm gonna

26:03

go with this. the movie I thought us.

26:06

As the perfect kind of compare contrast

26:08

to distill it. I do think it's

26:10

a perfectly fair contract because like a

26:12

lot of people would say, it's no

26:14

different. The movie that I had in

26:16

mind was probably another movie josh In

26:18

Eighty Seven that the you didn't see

26:21

though maybe we're bigger Sly Stallone fan.

26:23

did you see. Over. The Top

26:25

and eighty Seven. Now now this is. This

26:27

was Not my wheelhouse. Okay, so this is

26:29

the The Arm Wrestling movie. He's

26:31

an arm wrestling moves drives a truck he's

26:34

got a great name is names of Lincoln

26:36

Hawk and that's a movie I would. Miss.

26:39

Dell Gigli. And and do miss Dell

26:41

Gigli last that here. Sam I hope

26:43

is our producers going to do right

26:45

by all of us and let us

26:47

know exactly what happens when we can.

26:49

Hawk takes his hat and turns it

26:52

around but I do that as a

26:54

said sickness has turned around and switch.

26:58

In the switch goes

27:00

on select another person

27:02

or silica. It's

27:10

something about yours. that ratio. It's something

27:12

about it's volume. And it's ratio. and

27:14

I'm I'm going to workshop this a

27:16

more than to get a trademark. It's

27:19

it's ratio in volume, of absurdity and

27:21

earnestness. To. Ambition Over the

27:23

top. Is. Thoroughly your

27:26

names yet stone cold. Serious.

27:29

And Stallone is clearly condensed if you

27:31

watch any frame of it. he's clearly

27:33

convinced she's making something. That.

27:35

Will change the audience his life. He

27:38

knows that the world beats nobody half way, which

27:40

he would get if you've ever seen the movie

27:42

just Wrote House is silly. Yep!

27:45

Played it straight. And. I

27:47

think all the people involved know exactly

27:49

what type of genre pleaser. They're

27:52

making it aspires to be nothing more.

27:54

This is the Bishop. Are it aspires

27:56

to be nothing more and nothing less?

28:00

A little bit of a goofy experiment in translating

28:02

that arc of the western Lone Gunman to being

28:04

a bouncer. I. Think it

28:06

wants provide it's audience the same thing that

28:08

character is a strike Killed Men that Kevin

28:11

Tag place that he wants to provide. The

28:13

patrons of the new doubled his that enjoyable

28:15

night out Justify It's just like going out

28:17

to the theater and eighteen eighty. I'd get

28:19

the baby sitter to see something you otherwise

28:22

wouldn't see your everyday life or on the

28:24

big screen. That's. That's it's level

28:26

of ambition. And with that level

28:28

of ambition, the the ratio of

28:30

silliness or absurdity which is definitely

28:32

here. Don't get me wrong, and

28:34

it's earnestness, Street it please. It.

28:37

How. A relatively serious it takes

28:39

it. Somehow. The balance

28:41

is right here where with so many other

28:43

eighties movies like over the top. The.

28:45

Balance isn't there, so it's a perfect

28:48

cocktail of these ingredients for you. I

28:50

think so. A and what's interesting and

28:52

I? as I said, I can't speak

28:54

over the top. so I'm that's you

28:56

know that's not as helpful to me.

28:59

Insane, Understand it. But it's interesting. You

29:01

know what? I'm braided it on letterbox.

29:03

I would get people commenting, same. You.

29:06

Don't understand. This is glorious because it knows

29:08

you know every instance that it's ridiculous. Not

29:10

exactly the argument you're making. I think you're

29:13

taught the talking about a bland. you talk

29:15

about a blinds. I would have I don't

29:17

think so eating at us. Yeah I got

29:19

audited over. I have people say like it's

29:21

so great because it's doing that and it

29:24

has this old from that a self awareness.

29:26

It's a perfect example that then like two

29:28

comments later would be it is glorious because

29:30

it has no idea how bad it is

29:33

And so I bring that up just to

29:35

say like. It. Clearly.

29:38

There are mixed messages sent if

29:40

liberals, people are receiving it in

29:42

different ways and less astute viewers.

29:44

Wow. That Okay, I've been there,

29:46

could be back at it or

29:48

subtly attack the suppose commenters, but

29:50

these are people who work in

29:52

Helsinki. Been the movies agree a

29:55

completely in opposing ways and I

29:57

guess I guess that was my

29:59

experience as. Well ah, it was

30:01

not this perfect cocktail. I saw all

30:03

those elements you're talking about, but maybe

30:05

it's were helpful to talk. In particular

30:08

is about this and you taught you

30:10

discuss the loans performance. So let's go

30:12

to Swayze. let's have the sweezy conversation

30:14

here. I. Am. Not all that

30:17

familiar with Sleazy I I've seen go style

30:19

seen Point Break think is really good and

30:21

Point Break don't have a lot of memory

30:23

of what he was like in Ghosts and

30:25

a handful of other things, but M know

30:27

by no means a complete his arm. And

30:30

so I went into this thinking maybe

30:32

this will unlock Sweezy for me right?

30:34

Like help because clearly Wrote House has

30:36

we've established was not and media hit

30:38

despite his relatives you know, notoriety or

30:40

stardom at the time. It

30:43

did take a while for people to

30:45

latch on to whatever it's doing, whatever

30:47

you think it's doing, that kind of

30:49

whites become this cult film to a

30:52

degree. But sweezy you know was a

30:54

real thing and I thought maybe I'll

30:56

find something here. Arm that that. If.

30:58

If it didn't hit me initially I

31:00

can recognize as odd. Oh okay, this

31:02

is what he's gonna. Man.

31:05

Was I. I was so.

31:08

Mystified. Coming out of this

31:10

and it speaks to the awareness thing is

31:12

that he's one of the people I would

31:14

posit. Seems. To

31:17

be playing the movie like you're describing Stallone

31:19

Plane over the tongue he is. He is

31:21

completely serious about this and let me talk

31:23

about how I ever saw. Let me to

31:26

talk about the performance. You know, he sort

31:28

of the zen bouncer. He's got these rules

31:30

and you don't nevermind. One thing that was

31:32

amusing to be and we did debate how

31:35

tensile this was like as soon as he.

31:37

States. Is rules the next seen as

31:40

him breaking the was like they'd never come

31:42

back into place. Really? I'm but anyways I

31:44

liked that he's this and bouncer and I'm

31:46

thinking okay. This. Completely wooden

31:49

automotive slap performance. You talked about

31:51

how there's no dialogue. I started

31:53

to wonder like to they take

31:55

dialogue away from him because it

31:57

would be dangerous in his hands.

31:59

And. They okay, maybe maybe it's because

32:01

he's design bouncer and he supposed to

32:03

be. This is would and figure is

32:05

is part of his character which we

32:08

should appreciate. His pulse doesn't quicken in

32:10

this movie Adam until he gets Sam

32:12

Elliott on the phone which is under

32:14

another dynamic we can maybe talk about.

32:16

He's just so boring. And.

32:19

Yet. We're. Supposed to

32:21

take him very seriously. Maybe.

32:24

The screenwriters put in things like

32:26

fuck studying philosophy and why you

32:28

as as a joke but when

32:30

Sleazy delivers the line about you

32:32

know what he was doing their

32:34

to to Kelly Lynch's doctor is

32:36

like May answers for face. I'm.

32:39

Okay, I guess he's having fun

32:41

there. I don't know the dumb backstory

32:43

of him repeat a guy's throat out

32:45

like maybe it goes back to your

32:47

Russia Wilde are all I'm saying. Ah,

32:49

I'm so I try to given, but

32:51

it's of the doubt. And.

32:54

Then descend descents of is bad

32:56

acting falls apart. When. He

32:58

starts to show emotion and he

33:00

gets really angry. It is brutally

33:03

false in every possible way. And

33:05

so going back to comparisons like

33:07

that is he doing a Val

33:10

Kilmer in Top Secret thing? here?

33:12

all don't. Think. So

33:14

I think he's doing more of like

33:16

a Stallone and other Stallone movies, fully

33:19

committing to the seriousness of this character.

33:21

Those tights he seems, you know, see,

33:23

that may be field baby so he's

33:25

most invested in those. And here's why

33:27

I will give Swezey. Okay, this might

33:29

just be purely a physicality thing that

33:31

I'm not tapping into. that he has

33:33

this physical dollars and his words. Yeah,

33:36

and I can see that You know

33:38

I'm. Goes back

33:40

to the the fact that he

33:42

shirtless throughout this is there is

33:44

something very interesting leave catlike and

33:46

and dance like about him in

33:48

the Succeed with Kelly Lyndsay. Weird.

33:50

That's kind of where I sat

33:52

up and thought okay this is

33:54

unique. This is unlike other actors

33:56

this is bringing i'm in energy

33:58

to the scene. That is interesting. It's

34:01

also I might add one thousand percent

34:03

serious. It's it's not like know we

34:05

were sending up anything or i'm in

34:07

a westerner it's it's it's like this

34:09

is gonna be the sexiest seen that

34:12

has ever ban on screen. yeah but

34:14

that's not what neither works. know like

34:16

and arguing that it's plate know out

34:18

of the radio in there some sending

34:20

your hobbies your film at all less

34:22

so reason it work is not self.

34:25

It's not self aware. The ratios know

34:27

anybody there is. It's the entertainment our

34:29

is that's being self aware. It's about

34:31

laughing at itself. There's a difference just

34:33

splatters ways these ever ornaments.is very likely

34:36

where I think that map of where

34:38

the there's an off kilter elements to

34:40

the ratio at least for me. I

34:42

think Kelly links in that scene that

34:44

it's a great seem to look at.

34:46

How this this movie is not cohesive.

34:48

Kelly Lynch's one of the few onscreen

34:50

performers who I feel knows what's really

34:53

going on. I think Van Der Sar

34:55

A does as well. and Kelly Lynching

34:57

that seem actually last because he's getting

34:59

thrown up against a chimney made of

35:01

boulders. That Sweezy is so committed to

35:03

his own physicality, which is interesting that

35:05

he doesn't recognize and all she can

35:07

do is last and that persists. This

35:10

is happening in this movie. completely out

35:12

of the moments, completely out of character.

35:15

See. And and desire know what's going on. I

35:17

mean, it's here's the difference. They

35:20

have, they have. They both have a twinkle in there.

35:22

I. That. Is not a wink. Is

35:24

Not a wing attack. I think that's what you're talking

35:26

about. I think they're the exception to a lot of

35:29

what is going on in this movie. Nice

35:33

a post shared a sister. Susan.

35:37

Nine. Cents. As.

35:42

If you love. And

35:48

on her. Us

35:50

to buy patience for discrimination. Okay,

35:55

You. Say this, performances don't the so

35:57

boring. We haven't jumped ahead to dig juveniles.

36:00

Mormons, he may be a much better actor.

36:02

Then. Sweezy in the grand scheme of things,

36:04

and certainly when it comes to technical

36:06

aspects of a performance. But my goodness

36:08

of boring is not the word I

36:10

would I would use to describe any

36:13

moment of. Patrick. Swayze the

36:15

As Dalton here I will. Point.

36:17

Out. I'm going to defend the performance.

36:19

I think it's a good performance. I

36:22

think it's a perfectly appropriate performance in

36:24

tone, size, scale, whatever you want to

36:26

say, For. This film. But

36:29

maybe you can't. Fully.

36:32

Appreciate. It. Without.

36:34

Remembering what it felt like.

36:37

This. Is where nostalgia may come in a

36:39

little bits without remembering what it felt like

36:41

to watch Sweezy. In the

36:43

eighties and and to see

36:46

that physicality from the dirty

36:48

dancing character he brings that

36:50

same sort of. Movement.

36:53

And. Fluidity. Now to this character

36:55

felt like exactly what we wanted

36:57

from our star at the time,

36:59

including seeing him shirtless and seeing

37:02

had be. A. Philosophical Bad as

37:04

even in dirty dancing he's got a little

37:06

bit of that elements to him. He gets

37:08

helped out a lot. but why would you

37:11

say so? Radical Bad as are we supposed

37:13

to take his philosophy seriously are not. Well

37:15

for a little weird I feel as philosophy

37:17

I everything but his rules for the way

37:20

he approaches life generally to on two different

37:22

things at all. No, I be that his

37:24

rules are supposedly the way or your prayers.

37:26

What I'm like: He's thoughtful. He's.

37:28

Thoughtful. He's idealistic. He wants to fight

37:31

for the little man he respects the

37:33

men did he meets around him. so

37:35

he has a point of view on

37:37

the world and that's that's something. I

37:39

don't even watch the film, it's just

37:41

that's not the case now. He's helped

37:43

out a lot by Harrington in that

37:45

Harrington does applies in Candy a lot

37:47

of tricks year that you go back

37:49

to the westerns in the classic Hollywood

37:51

cinema days which is everybody. Talks

37:53

about him and says his name before

37:55

we even get to meet him. and

37:57

then the reputation builds and build and

38:00

build and we don't actually see him

38:02

do anything. We don't see that he

38:04

of the bad as come out until

38:06

I wrote down the twenty seven minute

38:08

mark. After the twenty seven minute mark

38:10

the movie. the movie delays that gratification

38:12

until that point it's building up. Again,

38:15

just like a lot of these other

38:17

characters in the past builds up this

38:19

mystery and so then. What? Has

38:21

to pay off his does it

38:23

deliver when when they hero has

38:25

defiantly pull a gun and and

38:27

do his job. Does it deliver

38:29

And Sweezy delivers in every scene

38:31

for me and there's a difference

38:33

going back to. What? What you

38:35

saying about Stallone? There's.

38:38

A difference between deadly serious, And

38:40

playing it straight. And he's playing it

38:42

straight. But I do think this is

38:45

not winking. Sweezy. It least

38:47

brings to that character. A.

38:49

Humanity. He has a sense of humor.

38:51

He can laugh at himself. There's many

38:53

cases in the movie where he does.

38:55

He's vulnerable. The things you're saying in

38:57

terms of like the pulse doesn't quicken.

39:00

I actually see his pulse click and

39:02

a lot nets want to be interesting

39:04

ways. It goes against the film's it

39:06

is a reference to or and my

39:08

to that. That. Very stoic.

39:12

And most and I lose the archetypal

39:14

boy care I get. The I Target is

39:16

not the are that off but he's not

39:18

yet. That's what's great about the performance

39:20

just is that his pull seems to quicken

39:22

all the time. he he becomes a

39:24

little ones hen's teeth. He gets emotionally caught

39:27

up in these scenarios way quicker than any

39:29

of those heroes from those other film.

39:31

Isn't the great hero who just gets to

39:33

walk that line in be himself, he's

39:35

He's constantly getting caught up and his his

39:38

scenes with Totally Lynch worked because he shows

39:40

that sense of humor. Any shows. That

39:42

vulnerabilities. There are times where you

39:44

see their instead of remove How

39:46

How. Upset

39:48

He is an upset is never a

39:50

word you would use to describe any

39:53

of those heroes, those archetype characters in

39:55

the past. That's again for me, how

39:57

the movie knows exactly what it's doing

39:59

in Sweden. The perfect. Perfect.

40:02

Character for that product of the twinkle is

40:04

never in his eye that it that and

40:06

that is is what you're describing and and

40:08

I will say about the physicality you know.

40:11

I'm sure you're right because I do remember

40:13

Sweezy being a thanks and I wish there

40:16

had been more evidence of that in this

40:18

movie. Beyond their one succeeds at you get

40:20

it? You get it. You know

40:22

in in terms of a visual when he's

40:24

doing tight she but or I don't know

40:27

if it is tighty but whatever he's doing,

40:29

you get it as a visual so there's

40:31

some of it there. But but like the

40:33

act of the fight scenes here. our souls.

40:36

So fun. Badly choreographed, not old it any

40:38

wonder only choreographed. You don't get any sense

40:40

of Swayze his physicality in those because of

40:42

how they're staged. I'm I. I would. I

40:44

would imagine there are better showcases and I'd

40:47

have to go back see some of his

40:49

other stuff, revisit some of ones I've seen.

40:52

That speak to the physicality because it's absolutely that.

40:54

Are not deny it's not that it's the one

40:56

thing I kind of latched onto his like yes,

40:58

okay and just you know would have expected there

41:01

to be more of it in Road House Speaker

41:03

of Nostalgia I just asked. You have let me

41:05

say one nice thing about Roadhouse. Jeff Few we

41:07

band. Absolutely. The artistic

41:09

high point. I mean this yeah I guess

41:11

maybe to tell it's a slight I might

41:14

agreed it is it I guess. have a

41:16

good so good. And I did. She's good

41:18

Zoo whenever he's he's asked to kind of

41:20

likes you know, move the plod along a

41:22

little bit with some background information than and

41:24

that sorta stuff. It's a world building guide

41:26

it's own. Yeah that's what character out I'm

41:28

I'm here to say so Raiders nice Don't

41:30

push it puts it we we know who

41:32

every single one of the supporting players ourselves

41:34

as the World building or that is the

41:36

world building. Also that Ben desires of crime

41:38

boss. His complex is across the Gulf

41:40

pond. From. Dalton's Barnes. I just

41:43

have it bad coincidence, selfish, and kind

41:45

of just sit on their back porches

41:47

and and look Adler, I never been

41:49

to Missouri. I don't think anyone involved

41:51

with this movie included food hims the

41:54

subset ever been to Missouri Arts are

41:56

there are like mountains the speak in

41:58

Missouri. I try to. You know in

42:00

the background what is driving around and you

42:02

can see it's been a long time since

42:04

I've been in Missouri. Maybe they are. there

42:07

are mountains back there, but it seemed a

42:09

little curious to me. The question that nostalgia

42:11

closer one ask you. I wasn't that much

42:13

aware of Roadhouse. I was very aware of

42:15

the insult chicken deck. Down.

42:17

At have never heard in my life until does

42:19

movie and so is this where it came from?

42:22

Why? Is. It I actually don't remember

42:24

it being said so he didn't stick and road

42:26

the you don't remember what you will know. It

42:28

was like that. like as soon as I heard

42:30

that I was like oh I member that getting

42:32

tossed around in the first lot. It's that was

42:35

like I've I've found ground Zero where I could

42:37

relax. Okay, well. I.

42:39

Didn't expect this review to go there's I

42:41

have to bore pages of notes on Roadhouse.

42:44

But the good thing Josh is that we're

42:46

not done talking about. Well I say it's

42:48

a good day because even though we're going

42:50

to get to the new one here in

42:52

a bit, I know there's no way to

42:54

talk about that. at least for me without

42:56

making some more references to this film self

42:58

that there's still. Plenty. More road

43:00

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43:03

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46:21

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46:38

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46:40

think that. That

46:43

was cheek deal and Hall and Jessica

46:45

Williams in the trailer for Roadhouse the

46:47

Twenty Twenty Four version. The action this

46:49

time gets transplanted from Mid America, Jasper,

46:51

Missouri to the sunny Florida Keys. I

46:53

think Adam proposed title for this movie

46:56

having seen it now Florida man we

46:58

should we should just go with that.

47:00

I think for the bad kind of

47:02

cover that it was directed by Doug

47:04

Liman was made the Bourne Identity, Edge

47:06

of Tomorrow and. Swingers. The story pretty

47:08

much stays the same. Jill and Holes

47:10

Dalton isn't necessarily a famed cooler but

47:12

rather a disgraced you have see fighter

47:14

with a pass that is just a

47:16

you tube video away from getting exposed

47:18

to does take a gig as a

47:20

bouncer at the Baby. Try to get

47:23

a lot of mileage out of this

47:25

joke. I'd it Can I kind of

47:27

miss it the first time. I personally

47:29

this place is called the Roadhouse. That's

47:31

the joke I think. side Adam. Or

47:34

something. Okay, well anyway, that's where he

47:36

ends up working and he runs into

47:38

trouble with a local heavier actually the

47:40

son of a happy play by Billy

47:43

Magnussen who wants to land that the

47:45

club is on so Adam we know

47:47

by now. Very. Much about

47:49

your love for eighty nine roadhouse I think you

47:52

were looking for to this or at least had

47:54

some hopes it was, yeah, I. Younger,

47:56

you really admire a director lineman

47:58

who is not. Lot of good stuff.

48:02

I'm not going to ask if you liked

48:04

it, I mean to ask how did this

48:06

fall sorts and and actually if I could

48:08

be more specific can I ask you to

48:10

apply your race show and and this is

48:13

this is the trouble I had like what's

48:15

what was off in the chemistry here. In

48:17

terms of that, knowing this and awareness because

48:19

I don't you could die at all. but

48:21

this movie is aware is is that the

48:23

crux of the problem. It's too aware was

48:26

a to aware for you. I think the

48:28

ratio is off and I'm gonna build up

48:30

to that just for me. I got to

48:32

start out I got to come into the

48:34

bar big rights. I saw

48:37

this movie actually before. I.

48:40

We watched Roadhouse Eighty Nine course. I'd

48:42

already seen right as Eighty Nine many

48:44

times, so I wanted to start with

48:46

the new one. I'm wondering. What

48:48

my reaction would have been to it had

48:51

I watched and enjoyed as much as I

48:53

did Roadhouse Eighty Nine and then took this

48:55

on. If I actually would have heeded it.

48:58

Even. More. It's. I.

49:01

Think it's among the worst. If. Not

49:03

the worst movie. I've.

49:05

Watched for this show. And

49:07

before anyone freaks out like I'm I'm

49:09

trying to be substantially harsher are going

49:12

season. We've been doing the so long

49:14

time. We've discussed a lot of movies,

49:16

but we do talk about one to

49:18

two movies a week and their the

49:21

movies we want to talk about not

49:23

what's new. So I'm not here to

49:25

proclaim Roadhouse Twenty Four to be the

49:27

worst movie does been released since two

49:30

thousand and Five. I'm just saying. When.

49:33

I think back on movies I've given. One.

49:35

Star ratings to out of five. I think

49:37

there's only one or two maybe prior to

49:39

this. So for me I'm gonna need about

49:41

the got say that I've been to be

49:44

that list at some point. Please ask of

49:46

the odds on a Donald certain with the

49:48

film spotting historian at them not to me

49:50

and are too much. You're just but is

49:52

now time for the Congressional inquiry. I know

49:54

there's a lot going on in a world

49:56

that's the Congressional inquiry into Rotten Tomatoes because

49:58

I looked it up this morning. And

50:00

Roadhouse twenty four. As. Of right now

50:02

is fresh sixty one percent. I don't know if

50:04

my room in a make a dent but I

50:07

am. I am slow

50:09

mixed. I'm flummoxed by that. I

50:11

would never use a cliche. Never.

50:14

Use a cliche. Like. This movie makes

50:16

the original road house would like Citizen Kane. But.

50:19

Doug Liman makes Rowdy Harrington look like

50:21

Orson Welles. How's that? It's done moderate.

50:23

You are essentially making that case earlier.

50:26

So it is. I think in every

50:28

way, is it that camera? The I

50:30

prefer the down the road and yachter

50:32

headset camera? You just kind of I'd

50:35

as that's that's that's the only. Saying.

50:38

This movie is is striving to

50:40

do is do something. Groundbreaking.

50:43

I suppose of these fight scenes yeah,

50:45

I think they're a mess and completely

50:47

on. Inter City does and sense and

50:49

maybe that has something to do with

50:51

it being streaming and not seeing it

50:53

in the theater ends and different rates

50:56

on the screen? I don't know, but

50:58

it doesn't work now. and all of

51:00

the other fundamental building blocks of storytelling

51:02

that, unlike you I think are seemingly

51:04

on display in the first film, are

51:06

just completely thrown out the window. Here

51:09

in it really doesn't make sense because

51:11

I haven't seen any. Other Rowdy Harrington

51:13

movies to either has made seven. Or

51:16

eight other feature films not of i'm I

51:18

know we meet Striking Distance Against haven't seen

51:20

him, but they are. They are notable. they're

51:22

not. films were devoted a time to. Right

51:24

here on the shelf there are lots of

51:27

good Doug Liman movies. I love the

51:29

Bourne Identity. Edge of Tomorrow. Go swingers!

51:31

I like American made even the time prison

51:33

we talked about that didn't love it, but

51:36

I liked it. All this attention when into

51:38

the fancy camera tricks during those fight scenes.

51:41

Zero. Attention. Paid. To

51:43

story. Plot. Characters Developing

51:45

A lead Character Developing a villain

51:47

As dumb as the original might

51:49

be, there is a logic to

51:52

it. The. Movie establishes as I

51:54

said it's own world, it's own

51:56

rules and establishes a to character

51:58

building that is completely. Gone

52:00

here and so I think it

52:02

does amp up the level of.

52:05

Winking. Certainly. You see

52:07

that in terms of the inclusion of

52:09

Conor Mcgregor in this film. Where what

52:12

is a cartoon then just. Literally.

52:14

Becomes a cartoon so that

52:17

ratio of. The twinkle

52:19

or the winking, which I think

52:21

is annoying. It's it's amped up

52:23

here. He. Doesn't have the ambition

52:25

to just tell a straight ahead story,

52:27

and it it infuses those stupid references,

52:29

them better references to the western whereas

52:31

the first Roadhouse just was it and

52:33

gave us little touches like the characters

52:35

all having names from westerns like Garrett

52:37

and Doc Dalton, etc. This movie actually

52:39

it's it's sorta like the you know,

52:41

I have nothing to write assignment so

52:43

I'm I'm going to write about having

52:45

writer's block. That's what I felt like

52:48

I was watching with his movie every

52:50

time they brought up the western City

52:52

even and Trace Deaths. It's like someone

52:54

decided. We need to add a line later

52:56

to say oh, we're not making a western

52:58

anymore. It's now a mystery thriller. The needed

53:00

a character to say it because they decided

53:02

halfway through to take the movie at a

53:05

completely different direction. There is nothing consistent. About.

53:08

This. Film. I think it's an absolute mess He

53:10

the western references are no good, the camera work

53:12

which I'll just touch on quickly and we can

53:15

move on. I do think his disastrous and not.

53:17

Only. Because of the fight scenes at

53:19

at least they're it makes some conceptual

53:22

sense. Did you notice there's a shot

53:24

early on and I forget if it's

53:26

Dalton or someone else at the bar

53:28

ordering a drink or a coffee or

53:30

whatever. Years and we get this Vr

53:33

headset swerving from his face, down to

53:35

the drink, up to the person serving

53:37

it, down to the drinks, and then

53:39

it's It's just. it's so ridiculous to

53:41

do that. They are that it does

53:44

feel like it. You know, some sort

53:46

of experiment. Maybe it's like. Letting just

53:48

try this so I don't think that

53:50

works at all. I think this is

53:52

a bad movie. But. I

53:54

clearly think Roadhouse is so I

53:56

would say it's These are the

53:58

two worst movies I've seen this

54:01

year Not could go back to

54:03

two Thousand and Five for very

54:05

similar reasons. I think the app

54:07

deserted he is just not well

54:09

calibrated here in the way you

54:11

describe and obviously we've covered house.

54:14

We disagree. I didn't find their

54:16

anything silly years year or more

54:18

when team or more. Are

54:21

poorly self aware in this roadhouse than

54:23

in the earlier ones. And you know,

54:26

I. Laughed at a few of the stuff that

54:28

was. Working. On this level

54:30

you know after this first fight I did

54:32

like the moment where Dalton is driving his

54:35

victims is wounded victims to the hospital and

54:37

they're all the car together and okay that's

54:39

an okay jokes But then. There's

54:41

a speed bump and he kindly says bump

54:43

said sunday else mode when it hits the

54:46

bomb because they're so wounded. I mean that

54:48

Honestly, Adam, I'm not gonna defend this movie

54:50

too much. I think it's terrible, but Joe

54:53

Hall to me is giving as much character

54:55

and plane. As much as you know someone

54:57

who's story, you understand as much as you

54:59

need to for what this is. This movie

55:02

is doing so in moments like that like

55:04

you talked about. you know, Sweezy.

55:06

Dalton having this the sense of

55:08

the be nice philosophies and there's

55:10

a little something here to ah

55:12

but you'll and how do we

55:14

Not enough? It's not a great

55:16

performance by any means, but the

55:18

gap between these two films for

55:21

me is very very thin ice.

55:23

I don't know. I don't know

55:25

what else to say about this

55:27

be these were the things that

55:29

mostly left me wanting. But you

55:31

think about elements like the crocodile.

55:33

I mean that's kind of. I

55:35

have to uneasy. I. Guess in in

55:37

an outlandish so I guess here's what

55:39

I would ask is like how is

55:41

the crocodile scene. Where I kind

55:44

of like held my hand up to my

55:46

cheeks. Hims like what is happening in this

55:48

movie right now in a way that was

55:50

like not I wasn't. Like. Really?

55:52

last seen I was just confused.

55:54

How is that different than Ben

55:56

desires crime boss driving a monster

55:59

truck. Through. The.

56:01

Car dealership of one of the people

56:03

whose you know hasn't delivered their payment

56:05

to him at. I guess this is

56:07

the calibration thing like that was another

56:09

moment in the original road House prices.

56:12

Like what is happening and why has

56:14

a monster truck rally been dropped into

56:16

this movie and there's an entire sequence

56:18

where we're supposed to believe in this

56:20

world. This is how this mob boss

56:22

is in for seem. His

56:24

payments is is just the driving for uber

56:27

know he is not enforce the his payment

56:29

zetia that when he's he's just trying to

56:31

get don't not of town of I for

56:34

doing what I heard of of the Be

56:36

why are you hire a master Shocking that

56:38

movie why is there a Crocodile Miss movie

56:40

and again and how we hazards what's the

56:43

dep Yes the answers the questions irrelevant because

56:45

it's everything that's happening around seems like that

56:47

that really matters and makes up the experience

56:49

I have with the two films and if

56:52

I do not care several me tear like

56:54

oh they're sympathetic. Or you know, man,

56:56

there's such fascinating, deep, complex characters.

56:58

If I'm not in any way.

57:00

Invested. In these characters. I love

57:03

Red West in the Original Road as

57:05

I love this, the and that characters.

57:07

I love the Just Healy care for.

57:09

I love Wade Garret's V Build Those

57:11

characters. They give us unique elements to

57:13

who they are and we get it

57:15

and we understand why. Dalton then tears

57:17

about them which fuels everything. There isn't

57:20

a single supporting character here for you

57:22

even know whether he miss I would

57:24

a are completely irrelevant to the some

57:26

and again nothing spigot Indo traits they

57:28

get. No, no idiosyncrasies, even nothing there.

57:30

just. It's all it's all window dressing.

57:32

And as far as Dylan, how goes.

57:34

I mean this pains me to say

57:36

it just because the I'm I've come

57:38

to be a big fan of him

57:41

as an actor and and I'm gonna

57:43

blame Lime and More for this. I

57:45

think it's like he's trying to play

57:47

I I saw an actor. Who.

57:49

Looks legitimately lost in everything. I saw

57:51

him trying to be a cross between

57:54

a little bit of adult needy nine

57:56

with that Zen saying but also tried

57:58

to be the stoic. Bad

58:01

as did someone like Clint Eastwood is

58:03

from those westerns. And then he's also

58:05

Bruce Banner. He's like the Hulk who

58:07

is who's gonna hiding out And don't

58:09

make him angry because he is always

58:11

angry and if he loses it all

58:13

that. But then he turns into the

58:15

on the richter throat thing right? There's

58:17

like Ozick the Man's throat. So now

58:19

we're center. Just be worried. A Bad

58:21

Bad. The it's the same dynamic. Oh

58:23

and I hear but. I think

58:25

the first movie does such a much

58:27

better job of making us understand, and

58:30

Sweezy does. Sweetie does a better job

58:32

of us actually believing, but that's something.

58:34

it's haunting him. There's nothing I blogged

58:36

about this character in this film. It's

58:38

like he shows up. On.

58:40

Set for every scene. With. One

58:42

sense of who was character is and then

58:44

finds that all the sudden he's in a

58:47

different kind of movie and I think the

58:49

result is not always looking loss, it's so.

58:51

Bland. All of the

58:54

charisma, And I do believe there's

58:56

a ton of it. It's way these performance

58:58

in Roadhouse just is gone. Here

59:00

he underplays things we too much like a

59:02

times he he is trying to ape the

59:04

the performances the someone like Clint Eastwood or

59:06

John Wayne. it's not coherent. it's article here

59:08

Performance in a completely and co yeah I

59:10

mean idea it's not a great performance maybe

59:12

I'm not is turned off on it is

59:15

you It's I think what Zealand whole brings

59:17

is a level of self awareness that is.

59:20

I. Did find that he had the

59:22

right twinkle to go back to what

59:24

I'm talking about with desire and Kelly

59:26

wins and and moments like I forget

59:29

who it is but someone refers to

59:31

his darkness mister smiley and just the

59:33

way Jill and Hall response to that

59:35

aware of what his screen. Presence

59:37

His physicality actually is like that. makes

59:39

perfect sense that someone would call Judge

59:42

Joe and Hall Mister Smiley in sort

59:44

of a derisive way and I I

59:46

feel like he responses out in a

59:48

and a knowing wink with a knowing

59:50

twinkle that works. Is it a great

59:52

performance? Know it's not a strength This

59:55

film. This film has very very very

59:57

few strengths. That's that's what we can

59:59

both agree. Yeah,

1:00:01

I said it. A. Little bit more

1:00:03

aggressively did you just Dead? but yeah it

1:00:05

has been pretty fair. Use Other what's more

1:00:07

set us up for those. Let's go and

1:00:09

go with Autumn Five Worst movies again. Views

1:00:11

our audience by the I know we like

1:00:13

to stay positive but I don't know. Maybe

1:00:15

it's it's gotta be made. Your thoughts y

1:00:17

twenty fifth anniversary concept we've got there. It's

1:00:19

gotta be of the top five right now.

1:00:21

We'll see if it sticks and get I

1:00:24

know, We. Disagree about the first

1:00:26

one so much that you're you're going

1:00:28

to try to twist this in do

1:00:30

I am elevating Eighty Nine to some

1:00:32

kind of pantheon level status. I'm not

1:00:34

the jostle sadists. The fundamental disagreement we

1:00:36

have is. That. I I see the

1:00:38

craft on display in the first one and

1:00:40

you don't rice and there's none of it

1:00:43

here. And I promise you, As

1:00:45

a bonus commentary or something sometime

1:00:47

if it, if it came to.

1:00:50

Trying to explain what what I

1:00:52

think good so making can be

1:00:54

or what the differences between good

1:00:56

and bad filmmaking directors choices using

1:00:58

the camera. Understanding where

1:01:00

to place the camera and how to

1:01:02

movements. All you would have to do

1:01:05

is take every scene in Roadhouse Twenty

1:01:07

Four. That. It's steals

1:01:09

from Eighty Nine. And there's a bunch,

1:01:11

right? A bunch of direct oh marshes

1:01:13

take every scene that it directly rips

1:01:16

off. And. Just showed them side by

1:01:18

side. I. Could show them side by side

1:01:20

in explained the white. All of those scenes

1:01:22

in Eighty Nine are still memorable and we

1:01:24

still talk about them and sometimes still joke

1:01:26

about them. And I'd still the ones in

1:01:28

Twenty Four and they would all completely fall

1:01:30

flat. Silly to terrible. Please do not subject

1:01:32

your students to this experiment source of do

1:01:34

it as hundred yards cheap in Rome up.

1:01:37

A Road Else Twenty Four It's

1:01:40

it's flying exclusively on Prime Video

1:01:42

just while we're on the subject

1:01:45

as newest releases that are also

1:01:47

remake/really eat less. Real whatever

1:01:49

you want to call them Murray animations,

1:01:52

Tell us about Godzilla time. His

1:01:57

own. If

1:02:05

a lot of phone over soft spot for

1:02:07

these I'm by no means an expert at

1:02:09

similar to you and before revisiting I would

1:02:11

I was like what what are they calling

1:02:13

these things These recent Godzilla movie side to

1:02:16

be reeducate it on the monster verse myself

1:02:18

and that's where I realized that oh I've

1:02:20

actually seen up to that point two of

1:02:22

the for that had been out and because

1:02:25

I have that soft spot arm you know

1:02:27

we just we just are reserved our Godzilla

1:02:29

vs Kong episode looking at the original films

1:02:31

and I think the original Godzilla is a

1:02:34

safe I masterpiece. So I'm always curious

1:02:36

about these and I thought if I thirty

1:02:38

seem to have these in, there's a new

1:02:40

one coming out. I'm in a knock out

1:02:42

the other two and then see this new

1:02:44

one. And I'm glad I did because of

1:02:46

though one of the to I had missed

1:02:48

Godzilla. think of the Monsters is probably my

1:02:51

least favorite. It's really the only one of

1:02:53

the Fi that doesn't work. I did like

1:02:55

Kong Skull Island and Godzilla Vs Kong A.

1:02:57

It was the most recent one which I

1:02:59

did enjoy and that I really think the

1:03:01

Twenty fourteen Godzilla the one that started the

1:03:03

sauce is very. Strong! Godzilla Times Kong

1:03:06

the New Empire Pretty good, Pretty

1:03:08

good. I would. I would rank

1:03:10

at right after that first Godzilla.

1:03:12

It's just gloriously nerdy and it

1:03:14

gives a so many things to

1:03:16

geek out about. If you're at

1:03:18

all interested in these movies, Godzilla,

1:03:20

get super here. And I don't

1:03:22

think this is a spoiler cause

1:03:24

it's in the posters. King Kong

1:03:26

it's a robotics this isn't. There

1:03:28

are more creatures that you could

1:03:30

ever imagine. The basic plot is

1:03:32

there is an expedition into hollow.

1:03:34

Earth at this point. So they're going deep

1:03:36

into the Earth and it's a little bit

1:03:38

of a new setting. Here's what I think

1:03:40

makes this work is the directors Adam When

1:03:43

guard who made Godzilla vs. Com. And.

1:03:45

Both movies you see this I

1:03:47

force giving this fantastic stuff just

1:03:50

a-of charisma and just a-of wet

1:03:52

that carries you through it that

1:03:54

makes it feel less like impersonal

1:03:57

Cg I and I'll just give

1:03:59

onexim. But there's a little touch here

1:04:01

where where Godzilla after a battle and

1:04:03

the pearly up and taking a nap

1:04:05

in Roman coliseum. It's kinda like that

1:04:07

and so ends up returning to the

1:04:10

spots. These are just little touches where

1:04:12

it's maybe two seconds on the streets

1:04:14

but again bring some some which the

1:04:16

proceedings and the other thing. There.

1:04:18

Is the showdown you know you're going to

1:04:21

get between Kong and Godzilla. Adam I was

1:04:23

so happy. He. Took place in

1:04:25

Egypt. daytime. Daytime. Amidst

1:04:27

the pyramids layering glaring son down

1:04:29

on these two and the Cg

1:04:32

I is very well done. The

1:04:34

action is excitingly choreographed. There's another

1:04:36

great wit personality moment where com

1:04:38

grabs Godzilla after knocking him down

1:04:40

by the tail and just starts

1:04:42

dragging him as he did like

1:04:44

this reaction. Shots of Godzilla These

1:04:46

become real characters in this movie

1:04:48

in the way our they are

1:04:50

at their best whenever we get

1:04:52

these sort of sounds so so

1:04:55

yeah. Check it out if. You're

1:04:57

into the monster verse at all, or even

1:04:59

if you liked, you know, the more recent

1:05:01

Japanese Godzilla that we got? It's not as

1:05:03

good as that. I'll say that right away.

1:05:06

There's not the emotional human element that that

1:05:08

film had, but this one is for the

1:05:10

monsters. it's up there. I did joke earlier

1:05:12

about not being similiar at all with the

1:05:14

monster verse, and while that's true, I.

1:05:17

Have seen one of those films I think we

1:05:19

talked about. The. Gareth Edwards Godzilla that

1:05:21

makes I run the Hell Yeah and gave

1:05:23

it's given a mildly positive review so it

1:05:25

worked for me. I would actually like to

1:05:27

catch up with these other films. Godzilla. X

1:05:30

com Godzilla Times Con currently

1:05:32

playing in wide release. I

1:05:34

wanted to give a quick

1:05:36

recommendation to a movie just

1:05:38

that is opening this weekend

1:05:40

at the Music Box in

1:05:42

Chicago. A film that should

1:05:45

be a real treat for the kind

1:05:47

of people who tend to go to

1:05:49

the Music Box. Wilson A Files Real

1:05:51

film lovers. It's called Any and it

1:05:53

is a documentary about Defamed Composer, a

1:05:55

legendary composer who passed away and Twenty

1:05:58

twenty. We devote her to show. You

1:06:00

are Top five Ennio Morricone

1:06:02

moments. And after watching this

1:06:05

documentary. I was

1:06:07

so relieved to go back and look

1:06:09

at my notes from that top five

1:06:11

in find that I didn't say anything

1:06:13

embarrassing that it's it seemed like a

1:06:16

pretty good top five and and was

1:06:18

halfway intelligence because I did learn so

1:06:20

much from watching them might my experience

1:06:22

watching it was one where the whole

1:06:25

time I was thinking. I.

1:06:27

Don't feel like I do any of this when I

1:06:29

did that. Top five. What'd I say was that was

1:06:31

that top five? Ten minutes long. But of course we

1:06:34

jerks. You're breaking down those seeds and you're breaking down

1:06:36

some of that. Iconic Music it's

1:06:38

pretty Easy does start to get

1:06:40

rapturous and this is a film

1:06:42

that was made by longtime friend

1:06:44

long time collaborator with Morricone to

1:06:46

set a Torn A Tories who

1:06:48

made Cinema Paradiso which is one

1:06:51

of those all time more a

1:06:53

kony scores and a really wonderful

1:06:55

film. This movie is. Very.

1:06:57

Thorough. Be. Be thorough to a

1:06:59

fault. just a little bit right in that

1:07:02

this is a composer who made over five

1:07:04

hundred. Movie. Scores over five

1:07:06

hundred soundtracks. And. It

1:07:09

it's two and a half hour plus

1:07:11

one time we might see or hear

1:07:13

all five hundred of them. It It

1:07:15

feels like it is just going at

1:07:17

a place where it's tried to get

1:07:19

in every. Single. Reference

1:07:22

it can. And I don't mean reference

1:07:24

is trying to get in every moment.

1:07:26

A touch of every score, A touch

1:07:28

of every bit of music that he

1:07:30

composed for that film. As

1:07:33

if it is the definitive

1:07:35

comprehensive, you'll only need one.

1:07:38

Ennio Morricone. I've

1:07:41

seen some people on letterbox comment that

1:07:43

in the way it feels a little

1:07:45

bit like a Wikipedia documentary, and it

1:07:48

it does. I get that I get

1:07:50

that response to it, but especially if

1:07:52

you're someone who is only been and

1:07:55

admirer of certain films, especially those spaghetti

1:07:57

westerns and you don't feel like he

1:07:59

really. They. Had any sense of

1:08:01

the scope of his career or his

1:08:03

influence. Then this movie.

1:08:06

Will. Probably be as educational for you as it

1:08:08

was for me in the big thing about

1:08:11

it just as it's he was shot while

1:08:13

Marconi was still alive. If it was just

1:08:15

that kind of book report where it's talking

1:08:17

had after talking head and it is it's

1:08:19

a lot of them. But if it was

1:08:21

just that and not also more a cone

1:08:23

aid the man an artist reflecting. On

1:08:25

his work and reflecting on on his love

1:08:28

and passion for music and it's so he

1:08:30

says he made then this movie wouldn't be

1:08:32

where thing but because it is all that

1:08:34

it is absolutely were saying think it's out

1:08:37

and limited release now and like a said

1:08:39

playing the music bucks I think I think

1:08:41

seeing this film even as yet itself is

1:08:43

not it's own incredible artistic achievement. Just re

1:08:46

watching those scenes and hearing the music again

1:08:48

on the big screen and hearing more a

1:08:50

cone a talk about what is intent was

1:08:52

that's that's enough to go to the theater

1:08:54

and see it. Right there. While listeners do

1:08:57

that, they should definitely check out their

1:08:59

top five in our archives because that

1:09:01

was a very fun one to do.

1:09:03

Rewarding for me. Educational for me as

1:09:05

well. And you don't? We don't get

1:09:07

to do Music Focus top five all

1:09:09

that often, but I think would we

1:09:11

do? It Helps us to really think

1:09:13

about these movies in a different way.

1:09:15

And yeah, Morricone, a great subject for

1:09:17

doing. Next

1:09:34

week here on film spotting

1:09:36

Alex Garland x Mckenna at

1:09:38

Ten? Yes, we're looking forward

1:09:41

to the already. Devices. I

1:09:43

think when it was going to be divisive before

1:09:45

it came out it was divisive than the trailer

1:09:47

came out some house and now that. People.

1:09:49

Are reacting to it's premier? Was

1:09:51

it it's premiere at South by

1:09:53

Southwest? Or certainly it sounds right

1:09:55

away their we've seen some of

1:09:57

the responses, haven't gone too deep.

1:10:00

Wanna. See the film, make of my

1:10:02

own judgment. Call here just. We are

1:10:04

fans of Garlands work generally and especially

1:10:06

X Mock and us. So here we

1:10:09

are looking back on X Makana Ten

1:10:11

years later, Your number one film of

1:10:13

Twenty Fourteen. He was my number one

1:10:15

film of the year until I took

1:10:17

whatever Conor Mcgregor character is taking in

1:10:20

Roadhouse Twenty Four and I've lived with

1:10:22

him. I saw Adam became the Big

1:10:24

Short and that I decided that we

1:10:26

eat my number one, Silva, the or

1:10:28

everybody's number two. I always thought. X

1:10:31

back and I we share was one of the

1:10:33

rear number. Once we share things I kind of

1:10:35

thought that. Too. But according to

1:10:37

our producers who's never wrong, serve the

1:10:39

big sort recently fourteen it it was

1:10:41

my number one. See. Out of

1:10:43

this is shows you I not only forgive but I

1:10:46

also forget your sins. Next

1:10:48

week we will revisit garlic debut

1:10:50

film as a director. Will also

1:10:53

return to our William Wyler Marathon

1:10:55

with making Forty Two Mrs. Mina

1:10:57

Verse It One the Best Picture

1:10:59

Oscar at One Wyler his first

1:11:01

Best Director Oscar. It's available via

1:11:03

the of D or you via

1:11:05

inter library loan. Perhaps more about

1:11:07

the while or marathon is us

1:11:09

on spotting.net/ Marathons, Next

1:11:11

week is also some Spotting

1:11:13

Madness Championship Week. The. Sixty

1:11:16

Four film tourney gets down. To

1:11:18

titles. You. Can vote in the

1:11:21

semifinal round now as don't spotting.net/madness

1:11:23

Got a great email this past

1:11:25

week from a long time listener.

1:11:27

You'll hear how long time of

1:11:29

listener she's been in a moment,

1:11:31

and she reminded me something that

1:11:33

every once in awhile. Since.

1:11:35

This past November occurs to me as I

1:11:37

got a mention this on the show and

1:11:40

then somehow never find a way to fit

1:11:42

it. And this email from Jan one and

1:11:44

the same Cisco Bay Area was the

1:11:46

the prompt I needed. To. Finally,

1:11:49

Reveal. This bit of information revealed this

1:11:51

news. This happy news to disown. Spotting audience.

1:11:53

Just you want to take Gens email fi

1:11:55

Adam and just hello. I don't write and

1:11:57

often, but I have been a faithful listener.

1:12:00

The very first episode makes me feel so

1:12:02

old when I realized that was before my

1:12:04

kids were even born. There was about a

1:12:06

two month span are so the last twelve

1:12:08

months when I didn't have a chance to

1:12:10

listen and I haven't gotten a chance to

1:12:12

catch up on those. So did I miss

1:12:14

some major Adam Place event? I keep hearing

1:12:16

references to big slight changes in their posts

1:12:18

show in a two year old baby. I'm

1:12:20

gonna risk sound incredibly nosy and ask what

1:12:22

happened, did you have another baby? It's so

1:12:24

good luck to you. I'm over forty and

1:12:26

have a two year old and a seventeen

1:12:28

year old about to apply for college. Talk

1:12:30

about whiplash. If you move states, do not

1:12:33

get the hang with Josh anymore. Not sure

1:12:35

why these things are burning in my mind,

1:12:37

but I guess that happens when you listen

1:12:39

to someone talk for hours every week for

1:12:41

two decades. And if this is none of

1:12:43

my business, totally understand and up. keep listening

1:12:45

regardless. Thanks for the many hours of entertainment.

1:12:48

Think. You Jen for the email

1:12:50

and for the continued support for

1:12:52

listening. Yep, we don't necessarily. Divulge

1:12:55

a ton of personal details you're on the

1:12:57

show the we also don't. Hide. From

1:12:59

them and we certainly share our personal

1:13:01

experiences and opinions as it relates to

1:13:04

movies. But one thing I have consistently

1:13:06

done over the years is if I've

1:13:08

added a new child's. I.

1:13:10

Do tell the world that

1:13:12

I do tell the film

1:13:14

Spotting Nation that I've added

1:13:16

a new kid that's pretty

1:13:19

life changing and you know

1:13:21

for ten years there wasn't

1:13:23

any news to share. and

1:13:25

listeners who remember ourselves from

1:13:27

last May will recall that

1:13:29

I announced that we had

1:13:31

adopted. Our daughter Olivia. So

1:13:33

we've had Olivia. We decided Sarah and

1:13:35

I decided to become foster parents and

1:13:38

it doesn't always lead do adoption is

1:13:40

certainly wasn't our plan when we became

1:13:42

foster parents, but it did thankfully lead

1:13:45

to adoption and this baby girl we

1:13:47

got at seven months old next week

1:13:49

is going to turn for and as

1:13:52

of less Macys officially or legally part

1:13:54

of our family. I alluded to. Another

1:13:57

layer to this back then, but couldn't get

1:13:59

into the D. They'll send and that's

1:14:01

because. We. Were still foster

1:14:03

parents at the time and we

1:14:05

were foster parents to Olivia's brother.

1:14:08

Who we got? Actually, when he was about

1:14:10

six days old. We ended up. Taking.

1:14:13

Him home from the hospital. so we've

1:14:15

raised. Aj since he

1:14:17

was born and this also.

1:14:20

Fortunately, Lead. To Adoption.

1:14:22

So it is true. Jen, You've seen

1:14:24

one or two pictures on the phone

1:14:26

swatting instagram of Aj the ones the

1:14:29

back of his head as he was

1:14:31

watching Toy Story When Morning By Aj

1:14:33

is now to as of last month

1:14:35

and I do feel bad that I

1:14:37

hadn't said this news earlier because we

1:14:40

officially adopted him in November and I

1:14:42

knew some day Aj my go through

1:14:44

the archives if he'd be like well

1:14:46

we talked about when being born, he

1:14:48

talked about Connor being born, he talked

1:14:51

about adopting Olivia. Holden and Sophie

1:14:53

has has appeared on the show even or

1:14:55

li Sophie has even if it was just

1:14:57

in. A little outtake at the

1:14:59

end or it's a bonus content. And she's

1:15:02

been part of trivia spotting. To.

1:15:04

Left me out. Dad. Doesn't love

1:15:06

me. I knew I had to get a

1:15:08

and so we feel very blessed and love

1:15:10

having a two year old in in about

1:15:12

to be four year old at home. You're

1:15:14

not crazy Jen. I've. Added another kid.

1:15:17

Very smart of you. Get your head on

1:15:19

that childhood trauma taken care of in advance.

1:15:21

I like that strategy. Yeah, Aj Olivia. Fair

1:15:23

to say. Also, at this point. Production.

1:15:26

Assistants. I mean they banana a handful

1:15:28

of zoom calls as last they have

1:15:30

and they love doing that. say the

1:15:32

guy of the cavernous. so including our

1:15:34

our weekly phone spotting com exactly I

1:15:37

harbor doesn't meeting. I expect them to

1:15:39

be there and and add some great

1:15:41

ideas which they usually do Though I'd

1:15:43

I've said before, what you sir have

1:15:46

done for for both of these kids

1:15:48

is it's just incredible. life changing for

1:15:50

them, life altering and arm yeah they're

1:15:52

They're both fortunate and a really really

1:15:55

good spot. Will take you for

1:15:57

that Josh One other question Jen had in there

1:15:59

that we might. While address she said if

1:16:01

he moves states do not get to hang

1:16:03

with Josh anymore. We probably see each other.

1:16:06

About the exact same amount done with

1:16:08

so far I would say to each

1:16:10

other via look at each other every

1:16:12

week Wire yeah, via computer screen there's

1:16:14

that are just acknowledging were obviously in

1:16:16

contact with each other a lot. But

1:16:18

even when we lived in Chicago. I.

1:16:20

Was in the burbs you are in

1:16:22

the city. You did move into the

1:16:24

city of years back and we would

1:16:26

always find time it least a few

1:16:28

times a year to have the night

1:16:30

sir go to movies or go out

1:16:33

to dinner, other concerts and events. Sometimes

1:16:35

plays with our wives and we probably

1:16:37

get to do that a little less

1:16:39

now, but I still come into the

1:16:41

city. You've been here. So. The

1:16:43

short answer is Jen. Yes, We

1:16:45

see each other or we hang out a

1:16:47

little bit less, but we still gets each

1:16:50

other quite a bit. as this has prompted.

1:16:52

actually the distance has prompted the first stone

1:16:54

spotting sleep over I think in history. Not

1:16:56

too long ago Sam came down as well.

1:16:58

We went to a bulls games and and

1:17:01

you both crashed here. So so you're right

1:17:03

that was fun I know babies for me

1:17:05

but a couple of events the to give

1:17:07

a little notice to listeners about couple Thanks

1:17:09

here! First, I was on the road recently

1:17:11

promoting my book Fear that a Christian appreciation

1:17:14

of horror movies. And was over

1:17:16

at the University of Michigan Dearborn where

1:17:18

I got to talk to listener sell

1:17:20

sell That was great! Also want to

1:17:22

thank the prof they are Nick Anna

1:17:25

Reno who invited me. It was a

1:17:27

really good time and just this weekend

1:17:29

I was in Seattle for Make Believe

1:17:31

Seattle or Billy Ray Bruton. Long time

1:17:34

listener puts on this genre film festival

1:17:36

and there was some wild stuff. I

1:17:38

got to see my first Larry Fastened

1:17:40

in Film Blackout his new Werewolf movie

1:17:42

their I also introduce the Devil's Backbone.

1:17:45

And talked about that in conjunction with

1:17:47

the book Metal Listener Adam. Kyle.

1:17:50

Came to Seattle from Portland just to

1:17:52

see the Devil's Backbone. I I know

1:17:54

it's not the Uk like Andrew, but

1:17:56

still I was impressed by that. Also

1:17:58

got to meet James. Iraq and make

1:18:00

us and even sit in this was all of

1:18:02

us are out on Billy Ray your he has

1:18:05

his own podcast stream Giraffes I think you've met

1:18:07

on it right? And you bell haven't you ever

1:18:09

have been guided Hope to make it happen. t.

1:18:12

They. Had a live recording of Screen Dress there so

1:18:14

I got to be in the audience this time

1:18:16

for the live podcast it's and that was lot

1:18:18

of fun! So thank you Billy Ray for all

1:18:20

that coming up. I really hope to

1:18:22

see some film fighting listeners for this. I

1:18:25

usually do every year, but it is he

1:18:27

bird interruptus at the Conference of World Affairs.

1:18:29

This all takes place at the University of

1:18:31

Colorado Boulder scan to be April nine to

1:18:33

twelve so just around the corner Here. We're.

1:18:36

Breaking down over the course of four days,

1:18:38

Jennifer tents Ababa, Doc, More Horse, so does

1:18:41

the first you're hearing about it. we watch

1:18:43

the barber.on day one, that will be Tuesday

1:18:45

the ninth in it's entirety and then Wednesday

1:18:48

through Friday we go back from the beginning

1:18:50

and break it down. People can interject, ask

1:18:52

questions, make comments, and we hope to finish

1:18:54

it by Friday. It's free com for one

1:18:57

day if you can. If you're in the

1:18:59

area, be great if you become for all

1:19:01

the days. But even if you pop in

1:19:04

for one of I'm and you know the

1:19:06

baba. Dot I guarantee you will enjoy it

1:19:08

and out and we always have our annual

1:19:10

some spotting beat up to celebrate the end

1:19:13

of Uber Interruptus so that's can be Friday

1:19:15

April Twelve. probably of the usual place but

1:19:17

I'm gonna see how many people Rsvp first

1:19:19

if we might have to move it's or

1:19:21

to somewhere a little bit bigger but output

1:19:24

that form together will lead to the show.

1:19:26

Notes: If you're near Boulder, April nine to

1:19:28

twelve and especially if you're there that Friday

1:19:30

the twelfth and just one be part of

1:19:32

the meet up. Who would be great to

1:19:35

see some folks over there in Colorado. The

1:19:37

Just Larson world to or continues. And

1:19:39

yes I do hope many listeners turn

1:19:41

out especially for that some spotting meet

1:19:43

up your mind at least one drink

1:19:45

priced. First drinks on the show Your

1:19:48

Strength Yeah okay there you go this

1:19:50

week over on her sister podcast The

1:19:52

Next Fix Yourself. It's part Two of

1:19:54

their Crimes of Passion Parents Rose Glasses.

1:19:56

Lovelace. Bleeding And the which house

1:19:59

keys bound? Stuff! Really looking

1:20:01

forward to this pair of episodes. That's

1:20:03

the next Picture Show every Tuesday. wherever

1:20:05

you get your podcast. This

1:20:10

is absolute madness. That amount.

1:20:15

Of this is absolute madness. Have less.

1:20:18

Often. Use both. Was.

1:20:27

And we close with Phone Spotting

1:20:30

Madness our annual blanket Style Tony

1:20:32

Best of the Nineteen fifties, Sixty

1:20:34

Four films and we are down

1:20:36

to just for which happened to

1:20:39

be. The. Top four seeds

1:20:41

of the tournament. lot of talk as

1:20:43

they say here and phone spotting madness.

1:20:45

that final four voting his life. He

1:20:47

closes Monday April First April first at

1:20:49

noon Central time lot now. At.

1:20:51

Don't spotting.net The bulls are right

1:20:53

there on the main page so

1:20:55

you cannot miss them. Zone spotting.net

1:20:57

First up, just the Elite Eight.

1:21:00

Results: Only for matchups of course,

1:21:02

And. Really, none of them. To

1:21:04

close we'll go from biggest blow

1:21:06

out to narrowest margin of victory.

1:21:08

We start with Hitchcock's rear Window

1:21:10

the number one overall seed against

1:21:12

Billy Wilder's Some Like It Hot.

1:21:15

This. Comment came in from Trent Rob. I'm

1:21:17

a huge while their fan, but this

1:21:19

is a movie I just don't connect

1:21:21

with. Put it in the comedy is

1:21:23

kind of subjective category. Now that I

1:21:25

think about it, I probably get more

1:21:27

laughs out of rear window along with

1:21:29

thrills and all. Rear window is top

1:21:31

for all time for me. So easy

1:21:33

choice. Who was an easy choice? it

1:21:36

seems for most Listers rear window seventy

1:21:38

eight percent, some like it hot, just

1:21:40

twenty two percent and Hitchcock advances. Next

1:21:42

up, Sidney Lumet. So here it is.

1:21:44

Twelve Angry Men. Verses: Gene Kelly and

1:21:46

Stanley Diamond singing in the Rain George

1:21:48

or Six shared this I'm confused by

1:21:50

Josh and atoms ambivalence towards Twelve Angry

1:21:52

Men. To be fair, out of your

1:21:54

you're a fan of the of I

1:21:56

Am A Stay at the I Am.

1:21:59

Direct. Your eye towards. The Jordan. I'm even

1:22:01

more confused by their bafflement at it's popularity.

1:22:03

Were talking about the third highest rated film

1:22:05

of all time on letterbox. This is one

1:22:07

of the most beloved films in the history

1:22:10

of the medium. It's also one of my

1:22:12

own personal most beloved films. A simple but

1:22:14

perfectly crafted story about why we should do

1:22:16

the right thing. Even when it's hard, it's

1:22:19

run man here. But. I hope

1:22:21

it wins the whole thing. So Jordan

1:22:23

is. Tapping. Into something here

1:22:25

Adam will maybe get to. This

1:22:27

would be see how the brackets

1:22:30

competition among us is going. I

1:22:32

totally overweighted. Letterbox:

1:22:34

Ranking in my predictions. This year it

1:22:36

happened to completely blew up my bracken.

1:22:38

I've consulted it in previous years, but

1:22:40

for some reason I use that as

1:22:42

one of the main factors to consider.

1:22:44

And I saw this to about Twelve

1:22:46

Angry Men and just knowing anecdotally how

1:22:49

beloved it was asked the guy put

1:22:51

too much weight on letterbox this year.

1:22:53

He had not to belabor it, but.

1:22:55

I gave when I last saw it. I gave

1:22:57

Twelve Angry Men three and a half stars. So

1:23:00

what that means? Joshua? That's very favorable. Three and

1:23:02

a half Hour Five. I do like the film.

1:23:04

I would say even considerably more than you do,

1:23:06

but I don't love it. That's.

1:23:08

The problem? I don't love it on the

1:23:10

level that Jordan or many other people do.

1:23:12

I definitely don't rated as one of the

1:23:14

probably top fifty films of the nineteen fifties.

1:23:16

The doesn't mean I still don't appreciate the

1:23:18

film air and teach months every madness. There's

1:23:20

one movie that six our way longer than

1:23:23

I think it could or said, and that

1:23:25

spot goes to Twelve Angry Men. In this

1:23:27

tournaments, it doesn't do it for me. Respect

1:23:29

to the stands for carrying it this far

1:23:31

as I suspected to be closer than I

1:23:33

wanted to be because I absolutely adore Singing

1:23:35

in the Rain. Just about the most perfect

1:23:37

movie musical ever made. We shall. See whether

1:23:39

it's enough to make him laugh

1:23:41

or not? I guess. No, not

1:23:43

really that close and sings in

1:23:45

the rain. Sixty seven percent Just

1:23:47

crust does very angry. Twelve.

1:23:49

Men: thirty three percent. Let's. Get

1:23:51

To the tourney! Cinderella Night of

1:23:53

The Hunter directed by Charles Laughton which

1:23:56

was going up against Curse hours. Seven

1:23:58

Samurai. Here's David Allen. I

1:24:00

pick north by northwest overnight of one hundred

1:24:02

my bracket. but and beyond Delighted to see

1:24:04

Night of Hunter get this far and may

1:24:06

keep voting for it's all the way to

1:24:08

the and not many movies randomly recall images

1:24:11

to my mind like this one does. the

1:24:13

dead wife's hair floating in the water, the

1:24:15

Bastard one scene at the children on the

1:24:17

stairs with his claws out, the predator on

1:24:19

horseback in silhouette against the dawn, the woman

1:24:21

standing guard with Harry in the background while

1:24:23

they sing harmony with each other. Such a

1:24:26

shame this wasn't appreciated in its time Ears

1:24:28

Grant in Lexington, Kentucky I watch Seven. Samurai

1:24:30

my only blind spot among the Elite eight so

1:24:32

that I could cast my vote for Nader, the

1:24:34

Hunter. A top twenty is all time film for

1:24:36

me in good conscience. and Seven Samurai was great.

1:24:39

But. It's not Night of the Hunter. Brian. Also

1:24:41

weighed in Charles Laughton highs let's go.

1:24:43

As Duncan and Royal Oak Michigan says,

1:24:45

probably the two most visually striking movies

1:24:47

left in the tournament and they're up

1:24:49

against each other. What a shame this

1:24:52

madness is. I went with Seven Samurai.

1:24:54

the talk about ambivalence. shame we don't

1:24:56

did point out the shame on all

1:24:58

I know. I hope I hope Sam

1:25:00

and arrested this. Film. Flooding Mattis

1:25:02

watching committee feals sufficiently. Jason by that's

1:25:04

will never know. just tell her to

1:25:06

choice of was for most voters. We

1:25:09

imagine the Duncan wasn't alone. The lot

1:25:11

in Hives did kind of show up.

1:25:13

Not. Enough droves just

1:25:15

that they could take down Crossharbour

1:25:17

though. Sixty four percent. To thirty

1:25:20

six percent. Or it. Let's get our

1:25:22

final match up: Billy Wilder's Sunset Boulevard vs.

1:25:24

Hitchcock's Vertigo Aaron Teach Men weight and again,

1:25:26

I voted for Hitchcock over Wilder on the

1:25:28

other side this bracket, but I'm going to

1:25:31

flip and reverse it for this once. Sunset

1:25:33

Boulevard is just a better overall package for

1:25:35

me that doesn't leave me with the same

1:25:37

bitterness as Vertigo does. Rebel a Tory as

1:25:39

Jimmy Stewart as may be kind of a

1:25:41

bad man was to me when I first

1:25:44

saw any and both are journeys into darkness.

1:25:46

But I think Sunset is more insightful and

1:25:48

Vertigo fine margins to be sure, but that's

1:25:50

what madness. Is made us here. Same

1:25:52

Thompson. by far the most difficult matchup

1:25:54

this round. Both incredible films, but Vertigo

1:25:56

offers something mysterious which brings me back

1:25:58

again and again. Considers crushing with

1:26:01

a phenomenal lead performance. It's hard.

1:26:03

really really hard. Actually, it. Is.

1:26:06

Madness. Sam Rights Well done.

1:26:08

This one was fairly close. Hitchcock

1:26:10

took out Wilder again though. Vertigo

1:26:12

fifty five percent, Sunset Boulevard forty

1:26:14

five percent. And I don't know

1:26:16

the selection committee is supposed to

1:26:19

do this, but I'm going to

1:26:21

give a mayocoba here. I think

1:26:23

this is a mistake. You could?

1:26:25

you could say that about madness.

1:26:27

Generally it's all falling out of

1:26:29

a the city subway Be really

1:26:31

shameful Mistake some might. but. We.

1:26:33

Do try to be deliberate about certain

1:26:35

things, for example, It, it worked

1:26:37

out nicely. Felt like we had to manipulate

1:26:39

the seatings dramatically, but we wanted to make

1:26:41

sure that this madness didn't come down to

1:26:43

Hitchcock vs. Hitchcock. That. Means if

1:26:46

it was going to come down to

1:26:48

Hitchcock vs. Hitchcock that had to be

1:26:50

in the final form in not in

1:26:52

the championship match. Somehow we overlooked. That.

1:26:55

We put Billy Wilder up against Hitchcock. Twice

1:26:57

and that seems a little unfair. I

1:27:00

think we could have moved moved Sunset

1:27:02

Boulevard or some like it hot up

1:27:04

or down a spot. And.

1:27:06

It would have ended up in another part

1:27:09

of the bracket where it wouldn't have worked

1:27:11

out because we could have foreseen if if

1:27:13

the seeds played out the way that they

1:27:15

probably would ride did week. we could have

1:27:17

foreseen certainly that it would come down to

1:27:19

Hitchcock vs Wilder twice. And we we did

1:27:22

wrong by Billy. I'm not saying he would

1:27:24

have ended up in the final four anyway.

1:27:27

I. Definitely don't know that, but. Maybe.

1:27:29

Sin of had two hits com landscape might

1:27:32

imagine. So we are

1:27:34

at those Final four. To

1:27:37

match ups. And here

1:27:39

is the Hitchcock double feature.

1:27:42

Vertigo. Vs. Rear window. We

1:27:45

also have seven samurai. versus.

1:27:48

Singing in the Rain The top four seats in the

1:27:50

tournament. Up. Against each other.

1:27:52

For. Fifties Madness supremacy. A

1:27:54

little lack of suspense unfortunately

1:27:57

in this final four in

1:27:59

that. I haven't looked

1:28:01

at how devoting going in this matchup.

1:28:03

Yeah josh but. You'll. Recall

1:28:06

that when we did our Vertigo

1:28:08

V rear window pairing. Just

1:28:10

a few weeks ago or a month

1:28:12

ago, in anticipation of cities madness, we

1:28:14

ask our listeners to pick the best

1:28:16

Hitchcock. Several. Hundred don't

1:28:18

spouting Listers voted in that poll I

1:28:20

think we had or the best film

1:28:22

of the fifties and we had Vertigo

1:28:24

and were window in there. Of course

1:28:27

we also included north by Northwest of

1:28:29

Strangers on a Train. So yes, that

1:28:31

was four films, maybe even other and

1:28:33

that could shake up the boat. But

1:28:35

we're window one that vote as I

1:28:37

recall pretty favorably, it would seem like

1:28:39

a pretty major shock it in the

1:28:41

showdown between these two it didn't Also

1:28:43

emerged victorious here. He. I think

1:28:45

the surprise or not even a surprise

1:28:47

but the the curiosity lies and seven

1:28:49

Samurai vs singing in the rain just

1:28:51

personally you know that that's the one

1:28:53

of them. Having done that. Brewer window

1:28:55

vs vertigo and falling on the side

1:28:58

are rear window pretty clearly show episode

1:29:00

a few weeks back. that's answered for

1:29:02

me. but I don't I. Am

1:29:04

a to have to give the some are thought I have. I

1:29:06

have an. Instinct. Of were to

1:29:08

leave. but I do do. I need to give it

1:29:10

a little more thought before I fully commit and vote.

1:29:13

Oh, so you can't say that you're going to take

1:29:15

singing in the rain over doesn't Run and Nine? that's

1:29:17

where I'm Leah guy. But I don't want to be

1:29:19

rash when it comes down to the the final four.

1:29:21

Adam. Okay, Well. I'm I'm waiting for

1:29:23

my computer to heat up here a little

1:29:25

bit. The hamster wheel has deterrence. I will

1:29:28

look at the results as they stand

1:29:30

this very moment. Of course this could change

1:29:32

said and people don't see how the voting

1:29:34

going. We keep that behind the curtain

1:29:36

until the results are revealed. But as of

1:29:39

right now. The. Film it's in the

1:29:41

lead. Josh is leading by. Twenty.

1:29:43

Three votes. So this one

1:29:45

is going to be a nail biter. It's gonna

1:29:47

come down to the deadline Monday at noon. Maybe

1:29:50

some of you need to see Seven Samurai for

1:29:52

the first time or we watch one or both

1:29:54

of these films. Not a bad idea of done.

1:29:57

Vote Because your vote really could

1:29:59

determine how. The Shakes Out And Which

1:30:01

two films face each other for fifties

1:30:03

madness supremacy? Bracket: Contest: We had

1:30:05

over five hundred and fifty listeners submit

1:30:08

their predictions. Last. Week's leader was

1:30:10

Ricky Tyndall in the Uk. Ricky. Didn't

1:30:13

lose that number. That. Number one

1:30:15

spot cut grass roots other. Mike.

1:30:17

Merrigan. They'll. Breathing. Down

1:30:19

his neck? Don't know. He

1:30:22

recounts. Yes, our internal bracket

1:30:24

contest is you. Me:

1:30:26

Producer Sam. Baddest. Godfather

1:30:28

Mike Merrigan. He just did it anyway.

1:30:30

But he did also win the tournament

1:30:32

last year and we always lead in

1:30:34

the previous tournament winner. He is obviously

1:30:36

in the lead if he's in second

1:30:38

place. I was perfect as round and

1:30:40

that move me considerably up the ranks.

1:30:42

That Seven Samurai Sings in the Rain

1:30:44

Showdown is going to determine how things

1:30:46

go for me here because right now

1:30:48

I went from one hundred thirteenth to

1:30:50

fifty ninth and I'm pretty sure I've

1:30:53

I have never finished of a top

1:30:55

one hundred voted our you rackets. Allen

1:30:57

says that. The that was some of

1:30:59

the bitter taste of Roadhouse. Twenty Four

1:31:01

Other your mouth? Yeah, just a little.

1:31:03

You have another reason now to be

1:31:05

angry with twelve angry men. You had

1:31:07

it beating, singing in the rain, advancing

1:31:09

to the final four. He. Slipped to

1:31:11

two hundred and forty six. So let

1:31:13

me follow up on what I was

1:31:15

saying about the letterbox rankings here. Yes,

1:31:17

this was a spiteful production. Because.

1:31:20

Of by just a cynical cynical what's a

1:31:22

cynical that sounds a little better and also

1:31:24

just knowing how much people love this I

1:31:26

thought will have three put a little let's

1:31:28

put some facts behind this is so if

1:31:30

you look on letterbox singing in the rain.

1:31:33

Twelve. Thousand sans. Average.

1:31:35

Rate average rating: Four point three stars.

1:31:37

I'll try sites to compile Twelve Angry

1:31:40

Men. You know the snacks and I

1:31:42

can be that put Twelve Angry Men.

1:31:45

Thirty. Thousand. Fans.

1:31:48

Average. Rating: Four point

1:31:50

Six. Out of

1:31:52

five stars and I just.

1:31:55

Just. Cynical me but thought okay, that's

1:31:57

more than double the fans for whatever that's

1:31:59

worth. But even the fact that

1:32:01

people are reading this on average higher than

1:32:03

singing in the rain? What is Going on

1:32:06

here? Nothing. But nonsense

1:32:08

and badness so I thought I'm going that

1:32:10

way the bracket and look what happened out

1:32:12

of look what happened Me being cynical it

1:32:14

came back to bite me. Yeah.

1:32:16

And and you made the first mistake

1:32:18

which is. Applying analytics

1:32:21

and rationale. To. Madness

1:32:23

is called it. It's madness. Forget about it

1:32:25

all your daughter's Don't tell me you don't

1:32:27

have like a of may have a layered

1:32:30

spreadsheet of were to predict this I I

1:32:32

I I had a twinkle in my eyes

1:32:34

jobs or maybe even winking As I said

1:32:36

it says yes I've gotta spread see breaking

1:32:39

down as a palace Take Sam was in

1:32:41

eighty ninth place. But. He picked

1:32:43

Sunset Boulevard over Vertigo that

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dropped him to one hundred

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and sixty eighth. It

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would. Seem that there's a scenario where

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