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High five casino. Hello

1:15

everyone. Welcome back to the Fire Escape cast.

1:17

It is episode 82. I'm

1:19

Mike, your host as always, here with Dan Reichert.

1:21

Hello! And Mary

1:24

Kay! Yay! I

1:26

deserve this. She's... Wow. Yeah,

1:29

you've dealt with a lot of... What's

1:32

the word? Shenanigans. Suck my dick! Wow.

1:36

Wow. Wow. Wow. You're

1:38

allowed to have that one. Big shoes. She's a

1:40

tone hair. Wow. You know what? Okay. That's

1:42

the first one where I'm not offended or upset.

1:45

You can use that as much as you like. Suck my...

1:47

Suck. Suck. Suck. Suck. My. Dick. Just go

1:49

to town on that one? You can use it as much

1:52

as you want. I already have been on Giant Bomb

1:54

for weeks though. So... I just

1:56

gotta say... I beta test these

1:58

before I'm... on with

2:00

you guys. So I appreciate that we're not we're

2:03

not the one you're testing it out on giant

2:05

beta tests and we're the lab. Yeah. Yeah. I

2:09

like that. I like that you said you

2:11

haven't been embarrassed yet by one. But like this

2:13

episode, you know, we got a lot of episode

2:15

left. He might piss you off somehow. I

2:18

you know, some of them they

2:20

can rile me right because I

2:22

don't like having. Yeah, I

2:25

don't like be stop it. And

2:29

I don't like being misled. Like I'm

2:31

saying something, especially when it's bad.

2:33

And I have misrepresented. I have

2:35

watched some giant bomb ones where

2:37

you straight up made me say

2:40

stuff that's like, fuck up. No,

2:43

no. Yes. What are you talking about?

2:45

You did one where you were like,

2:47

I don't really think that we should

2:49

help children, you know, get through, you

2:51

know, anything like if they can't afford

2:53

lunches, that's on them. And you were

2:55

like, what? Yes. I don't

2:58

remember this. I don't

3:00

believe that somebody was deep baking

3:02

me deep baking you. That's funny.

3:04

You are so bad. And

3:06

like some of them, I would listen to it. I'd

3:09

be like, Oh my God, if I wanted to be

3:11

I could be so mad at this. It's fine. I

3:13

think I'm good. I just wanted to show off. I had the

3:15

new one. I wanted to show it to you. I don't have

3:17

it. That's the only one I have. I have no intentions on

3:20

belaboring the soundboard or anything like that or

3:22

wearing it out. I think we're good. You're

3:25

a liar. You're a thief and you're a real

3:27

piece of shit. And I don't believe you judge

3:30

you. The episode goes. I got the hands are

3:32

up and you can use that sound bite too.

3:34

You're a liar. You're a thief and you're a

3:36

real piece of shit. I

3:39

don't like using negative things. That's

3:41

a good one. I

3:47

know. That one's a good one. Yeah. I

3:49

also tweeted from our main live

3:52

it laugh it love it suck it in a

3:54

really nice sans serif script. And I thought, Oh,

3:56

nice. That's very nice. Yes. Do

3:58

you have me on the soundboard? You're

4:00

right. Yeah, you're correct Temptary

4:04

kind of intonation to that that's my least

4:06

favorite of the agreeing with me ones because

4:09

it's the only one where doesn't say my

4:11

name Yeah,

4:13

the other ones the other ones are dance,

4:15

right? Dan is right about this one I

4:17

do think Dan is probably right. You're right

4:19

Dan. You're probably right. Damn Dan is right

4:21

Yeah, then yours doesn't say Dan. So how

4:23

big is this soundboard? I've

4:25

got six buttons So the only person I have

4:27

that has their whole dedicated page is Mary that

4:29

one is Dan is right. You're right Yeah, we

4:32

know that correct. I don't agree with Okay,

4:36

that's the Mary page yeah, oh

4:38

wait wait and then wait there's also a monoty themed

4:41

page monoty and Mary's got one on there Yeah,

4:46

there's the monoty page in the Mary page, that's

4:49

right I mean I'm

4:51

flattered that I've had so many important sound

4:53

bites to you that I have my own

4:55

my own dedicated page No, you're just the

4:57

one who here's one who gets the angriest about it

5:04

Noted Stalin sympathizer Mary kids That's

5:08

what he did he was like he was like, I

5:10

mean I'm really all for you know Equality

5:12

and like fair representation and then it was

5:14

like just a great a very good game of you Utilizing me

5:17

in nefarious ways. Somebody else must have

5:19

ripped that audio from my soundboard. I wouldn't have

5:21

done that Dan trolls

5:23

me on Giant

5:25

bomb and I'm not

5:28

watching this stuff live or ever no not

5:30

I just I don't watch I know you're

5:32

talking and Dan DM'd me like had a

5:34

little bit for just just for you on

5:36

a bomb test Oh, no, and

5:38

I keep in mind like this is what midway

5:40

through an episode. No one else knew it was

5:42

a joke and Dan No one else

5:44

reacted to it at all It was just for you Dan

5:47

asked me grub to explain total war and saying that he

5:49

didn't know anybody who plays those games And

5:51

then he might and then he might because the way to

5:53

grab describe it Because the way

5:55

grub described it Dan said he actually might check the series

5:57

out People

6:00

in the chat being like I saw that Dan I saw that I

6:05

don't know anyone who plays that game. Can you explain it?

6:08

Yeah, and to be very receptive to learning more

6:10

in checking it But

6:13

see I Grab's

6:15

description was really bad. Oh really?

6:18

Yeah. Oh Okay,

6:21

big big news guy grub Needs

6:25

to get his facts straight. What do you wrong? I

6:29

Think he just Maybe I need to go

6:31

back and look I think it's just he Neglected

6:33

to say that like half of the

6:35

game is like turn-based civilization building. Okay.

6:38

Okay. Well see I can disrespect you on that

6:40

one Because I do feel like you are in

6:42

the like Mount Rushmore of people whose Recommendations I've

6:44

taken and loved and like all the Outer Wild

6:46

and so you introduced me to so on occasion

6:48

I can just outright ignore you Yeah,

6:51

I mean, I'm not I could be clear. I've never thought

6:54

you would like Total War. I just like talking

6:56

about it Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we talked

6:58

about a lot of stuff on this show that we don't

7:00

really give a shit if the other person Likes it. No,

7:02

that's not really the purpose of it Like

7:05

me and Dan are never gonna be Stalin

7:07

or Nixon people, but you keep going Mike's

7:12

point and that can be utilized No

7:17

weird way to talk. Thank you Press

7:20

permission someone Dan has

7:22

changed the way I communicate on this

7:24

podcast Yeah

7:30

This is like a William Gibson novel about that's

7:32

what I was thinking area. Yeah You've

7:35

heard of William Gibson before someone I was

7:37

talking about Writers recently and

7:39

someone in the chat was like have you read

7:41

Gibson and I didn't know who that was Who

7:43

is that? He did snowmance or snow? The

7:46

fuck the snowman that He's

7:50

done he does like cyberpunk futuristic stuff, but

7:52

he was like decades ago Snow

7:55

crash, but so that was Neil something

7:58

wasn't it? Neil

8:00

Gaiman no snowcrash was no no no what

8:04

I thought the snowcrash told me about

8:06

this yeah see oh who knows the

8:08

books now I don't I don't I've

8:10

never really read William Gibson William

8:12

Gibson wrote uh neural

8:14

mancer sorry that's why I'm finding snowman

8:17

sir no crashing there oh man yeah

8:21

oh he did Johnny mnemonic as

8:23

well hmm somebody was talking about that recently for

8:25

those talking about certain to read Stephen King stuff and enjoying

8:27

it yeah it's funny I

8:30

in terms like sci-fi I've only recently

8:32

come around to reading more sci-fi and

8:35

he's like kind of cyberpunk sci-fi etc I have

8:37

friends that have been recommending it to me

8:41

what else what's going I'm in France right now

8:44

as people are listening to episode well not right

8:46

now right

8:55

now like you know we have a video version

8:57

people to zoom background that broom doesn't exist wait

9:00

let me see this hold on get in that room

9:02

several times yeah let them that room can I

9:05

how do I do this my

9:08

team's been going crazy with these

9:11

funky Google Meets

9:13

backgrounds where you can like

9:15

turn yourself into a potato

9:17

or a tree trunk or

9:19

you can turn you into it or your back yeah you're

9:23

you like it tracks your eyeballs and then

9:25

it like okay them on like a weird

9:28

item and can towards your head

9:30

shape and it's that's in

9:32

Google now yes okay

9:34

yeah Google Meets does it now and

9:38

yeah I mean it's neat and it their

9:40

novel this like a little novelty oh the

9:43

green the Northern Lights that's

9:46

close enough okay this is the same background

9:48

that Bill Hader uses it for getting Sarah

9:50

Marshall he's like oh I've been Hawaii to

9:52

great bit for the audio listener Which

10:00

is one notorious in France. I've got

10:02

50-old, 50-old, he's using Zoom for the first

10:04

time. This is sick! They're

10:07

a fun novelty. I think

10:09

they're enjoyable. I think they're nice to

10:11

use, but they wear out their welcome

10:13

really quickly. When I'm having a serious

10:16

call about really

10:18

important stuff, and one of us looks like

10:21

a cowboy, and it's tracking your eyes and

10:23

putting a little mustache on you, I cannot

10:26

take you to the audience. The

10:29

audio listener, Mike, the irony is he's got

10:32

a very obnoxious border on his frame as

10:34

he talks about him being obnoxious. Oh,

10:37

so he says to me. I thought it was a

10:39

stand-up theater, not a theater theater. What

10:44

if, okay, that would be a really good bit. If you

10:46

guys were going to see a movie, and I found

10:48

out a week ahead of time, and I just put

10:51

a live feed of my face on it. That would

10:53

be really good. That'd be great. The part of Mad

10:56

Max Furiosa will be played

10:58

by me, Michael Maharty. I'm

11:00

Furiosa. They did that once

11:02

where I don't know if it was actually Charles Martinet, but it

11:04

was Nintendo's E3 booth in 2010 or something. They

11:08

had just a giant Mario head up in the

11:10

booth, and it was looking down and looking around

11:12

and doing crowd work like, oh, look at you.

11:14

You got that, too. You got some long pants

11:16

on. Oh, you got a fun hat. Oh, look

11:18

at that guy there. Look how high. He's waving

11:20

at me. I think it was just Charles Martinet

11:22

in a booth just looking at security camp footage

11:24

and roasting people. It was weird. Sorry. What

11:27

was that your impression of? What's that? What was

11:29

that impression of? That was

11:31

Charles Martinet's Mario, the

11:33

Nintendo character. You weren't trying to be

11:35

Mickey Mouse. See, the

11:38

thing is, I don't think I've heard Mickey Mouse

11:40

talk. I've only heard people do impressions of Mickey

11:42

Mouse. So is it... Well, you know, he

11:44

kind of sounds like that, and he's got

11:46

really high voice. I don't think

11:48

I've ever heard Mickey talk. I

11:51

don't think Mario sounds like that either, though. But

11:54

Mario doesn't talk in sentences usually, so that's why

11:57

it was extra weird that Charles Martinet was talking

11:59

to people. And that just bad at the goal

12:01

you know like he was saying stuff now that's

12:03

my dream Yeah, it

12:05

sounds weird when Mario is saying My

12:11

lovely Literary

12:21

brain on Dan Yeah,

12:24

probably saw Simpsons episode the quote of that

12:27

It was the blur sometimes yeah, that wasn't actually Not

12:40

a bit when would I have heard Mickey Mouse

12:42

talk cuz I feel like the only time I've

12:44

seen a Mickey thing Was I

12:46

mean the logo obviously and the logo doesn't talk

12:49

and then Fantasia Which is the fucking

12:51

worst movie ever because it's just a bunch of bullshit

12:53

happening while songs are like music playing Fantasia

12:55

fucking sucks, but like Mickey So

12:58

if I'm not seeking out Mickey talking, why would

13:00

I have ever been confronted by Mickey Mouse talking?

13:03

Why would I know what he sounds like? Well,

13:06

you love Kingdom Hearts probably

13:08

talking that in Kingdom

13:10

Hearts. I think he does yeah, okay Because

13:13

he's like this it hits I forget I played

13:15

the first Two

13:17

games and ever played the third or any

13:19

of the I played dream-drop distance when I

13:21

was interning a game of former But

13:23

outside of that I I forget if he

13:25

talked much because he was always this kind of like Occasional

13:29

presence that loomed over things, but he wasn't

13:31

like a huge character in the first game

13:33

if memory serves, okay He's

13:35

a logo. That's his whole thing Yeah,

13:38

he he's definitely no, but Mary you

13:40

were you were you did it Like

13:44

in that vein. It's like that kind of like all like Your

13:47

dreams will come true. It's definitely like more when

13:49

have you heard him say that? Well,

13:52

I don't know that he ever said that but Talkies

13:57

because what's crazy is like Mickey Mouse's

14:00

old old old right like Mickey Mouse's

14:02

original you there's okay there's a frickin

14:04

Disney Museum in San Francisco and you

14:06

can go and it takes you through

14:09

the history of Walt Disney and how he

14:11

came so this is like my recollection of

14:13

like the man Walt Disney yes who

14:16

made the Mickey and the others

14:20

originally they were silent right

14:22

and they had music in the background

14:24

the very like thing but Willie you know

14:27

yeah when Mickey talked yeah

14:30

that's right that's like

14:32

how old these are but once they

14:34

started being able to have sound in

14:36

them they were introducing

14:38

other characters and many who you

14:40

might think has a voice right because

14:43

she was always like kind of sweet on Mickey and they

14:45

would talk to each other and he would talk

14:48

to her and be like you

14:50

know oh Minnie did

14:53

Walt Disney do the voice I think

14:56

that he by that point had

14:58

a whole crew of people who

15:00

were working on his films

15:03

and they were all kind of like there was

15:05

like a whole system like a

15:07

whole line of how they were doing and a

15:09

lot of the fill-in color were done by women

15:11

which back then it was like you know women

15:13

didn't have jobs back then so that's pretty cool

15:15

so I guess they never did the thing that like

15:18

because when I was growing up like every cartoon the

15:20

whole thing was it was always shipped out to Korea

15:22

like Simpsons was always shipped out to Korea it took

15:24

months for it to come back from the storyboards and

15:26

everything so I guess was Disney always doing it in-house

15:29

he was but I don't think his labor practices

15:31

were probably the best I

15:33

don't think he was notorious for his like fair

15:35

practices in fact I think he got in trouble

15:37

several times for essentially like the workers being like

15:39

you you aren't paying us

15:41

enough for how rich you are sir so I

15:44

don't think he was perfect but I

15:46

do think that he had assemblies literally

15:48

like assembly lines in

15:51

California that were like making his

15:54

cartoons yeah okay yeah

15:57

and like the very first it's crazy to watch like the

15:59

very first ones. I'm like

16:02

trying to like go back in time here but like

16:04

Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and stuff like that

16:06

they were using like panes of glass over

16:09

panes of glass that were each painted.

16:11

That's right and that's how they would

16:13

get like that parallaxing so that you

16:15

would see trees that would be moving

16:17

faster than other trees in the background.

16:19

It was all done with like 3d

16:22

glass panes with a camera. It was really neat

16:24

like they were quite innovative back in the day.

16:28

That's cool to learn. I

16:30

don't really know anyone that's into Disney so that's interesting to

16:32

hear. It's not about it's very different than

16:36

going to like Walt Disney World which is just

16:38

like you are now in the fun zone and

16:40

everything is meant to be like joyous. It's

16:42

the raw honest reflection

16:44

of how a man essentially

16:47

transformed children's entertainment and then

16:49

created theme parks which are

16:51

like ungodly

16:53

like there's just no nothing that compares to

16:56

a Disney theme park and so it

16:58

goes through all of it including the dirt

17:00

right. It gets into like the problems that

17:03

he had and you know

17:05

a lot of the racist origins of Disney films

17:07

and things or at least the cartoons were pretty

17:09

bad and so like it really talks

17:12

about why they show them in their

17:14

entirety and why they're really reflective of

17:16

that past. So I think

17:18

it was kind of neat because they weren't when you

17:21

when you go into Disney they ain't

17:23

gonna probably tell you that stuff. But

17:25

in this history

17:27

museum I think that's what it is

17:29

like a history museum they go into

17:31

like the genuine there was a dude

17:33

who like was able to make

17:35

this insane thing happen and he made a lot of

17:37

enemies along the way. You know I mean it's like

17:40

when you watch the Facebook movie and they're like it

17:42

kind of seems like a bad guy and it's just

17:44

like you know you really can't make this much

17:46

money in theme parks without being a like you kind of have

17:48

to be. And

18:00

this character is you know this and it's like there

18:02

is IP basically they're his creations And he's the Disney

18:04

of the whole thing and so but you know famously

18:06

there was no dirt or there's nothing bad And no

18:09

one says a bad thing about that Yep,

18:15

absolutely yeah a lot

18:18

of powerful dudes in entertainment turned out

18:20

being a real shitty, huh? The

18:23

case that every time someone is able

18:25

to accrue a billion dollars it turns

18:27

out they were kind of a shithead

18:29

Yeah, what was what was that is what

18:32

was the thing you were saying the other day

18:34

about Mary's opinion about Vince McMahon? Were

18:38

you saying no no we we were talking about how

18:40

we thought Vince McMahon was a piece of shit Mary

18:47

we can't do this you can't give a new McMahon's

18:50

force Mary comes in here we go.

18:52

They cut all this Yeah, that's right.

18:54

That is really we gotta apologize for

18:57

I can't believe Mary still defends him

18:59

Dan is right Jesus Delete

19:02

all of this because it's

19:04

bad Wait

19:12

I've been I've been framed for saying I like

19:14

quite a lot of shitty people Nixon

19:23

Nixon over McMahon boy All

19:28

right, let's play everyone's favorite game

19:30

show Nixon or McMahon who's your

19:32

favorite Mike? Mary

19:35

kill And

19:39

Richard Nixon Boy

19:49

Definitely fuck Nixon Nixon

19:53

over McMahon and Cosby he's the

19:55

dead one Wait

19:58

aren't they all dead no Oh,

20:01

yeah, you're right Vincent Cosmere just ancient

20:03

horrible people. Yeah Change

20:14

the subject cuz I hate this I

20:16

hate where we are and I

20:18

don't agree I don't agree with any of this.

20:20

I don't know I don't you're right

20:23

Uh, I am right Mary is right I

20:26

want to change subject. I had an interesting

20:28

thing that happened to me Mike

20:31

I just wanted to say I don't know

20:33

if you recognize this bag. Oh Yeah,

20:36

yeah, but okay. So for our audio

20:39

listeners, this is a

20:41

beautiful green bag. It's It's

20:44

nice. It's like a nice large bag and it has my

20:46

name be dazzled on it and I got it on Mike's

20:49

wedding day as a as like one of my

20:53

Yeah, I'm drinking a glass that was in my

20:55

bag that looked like that emerge from our wedding.

20:57

Mm-hmm I keep this

20:59

bag usually in my car because

21:02

it's just a great crap

21:04

I need a bag for the grocery store or for an

21:06

item. It's just a nice Party

21:08

bag. So I've had it for a while flash

21:11

backwards to Three

21:13

months ago. I had a

21:16

friend that surprised me to come into town

21:18

and I wanted to take them to some

21:20

iconic vistas in Portland

21:24

by the gorge but it just

21:26

so happened that that exact weekend there was a

21:29

ice storm and As I

21:31

was telling her I was gonna drive her

21:33

to this like really nice lookout There

21:35

were all these warnings online that you should not

21:37

drive To these vistas because the

21:40

roads are really icy and they're actually quite

21:42

dangerous and you just shouldn't go and I

21:44

was like It'll be fine. I have

21:47

four-wheel drive Just like every other

21:49

Portland or I was like I have a Subaru it's

21:51

not a problem and so we trekked on ahead and I

21:55

Saw so many warning signs. I drove

21:57

past like four cars in ditches I

22:00

was like, that's crazy. Anyway, let's keep going. And

22:03

I saw just wrecked

22:05

trees in front of the road and

22:08

I would try and get around them and I'd get a

22:10

little stuck and then we'd figure it out and I'd keep

22:12

going. Then there was

22:15

this huge hill that you have to

22:17

drive up. And so I gunned it and

22:20

I got like 90% up the hill and

22:23

I stopped. And then when

22:25

I tried to start again, my car started going

22:27

backwards. With

22:30

everything I had, I was fully on the

22:33

brakes and I was sliding backwards slowly, but

22:35

enough was carrying the shit out

22:37

of me because

22:39

I was on a hill. I

22:42

could have fallen off the hill, right? Like it

22:44

was a dangerous situation. My girlfriends in the car

22:46

with me were both kind of like, ha ha,

22:48

this is kind of dangerous, isn't it? And

22:51

I don't have anything to protect

22:54

me. I have nothing. The only thing

22:56

I had was this bag

22:59

and I didn't want to, but I needed

23:02

it. And so I eventually

23:05

we kind of like slowly caused, like

23:08

we just stopped, but we were like off the

23:10

road now. And I took the bag out of

23:12

my backseat and I shoved it

23:14

under my tire. And I

23:16

used it- The cardboard? Yes, and I used

23:19

it as leverage to get up this hill.

23:22

And I did not, it was so icy

23:24

you guys. It was too

23:26

risky for me to stop and get out and go

23:28

get the bag. So I left it. I left it

23:31

in the middle of the road in an icy storm

23:33

three months ago. And I said to

23:35

my friend, well, if

23:37

Mike and Amanda knew that this bag saved our

23:39

lives, they would not mind that I left it

23:41

in a ditch somewhere in

23:43

Pameous. And so I ignored it.

23:47

Fast forward three months later, I

23:49

drove back to that hill and that

23:51

fucking bag was still on the side

23:54

of the road. Are you kidding? Pretty dirty.

23:56

That's really good. Well, I mean, looks- It's

23:58

pretty dirty, but it was bad. I grabbed

24:00

it and I put it in my truck and I have it back

24:02

and so I got it back. That's awesome. Holy

24:04

shit. It's like all the things that could

24:06

happen weather-wise there and everything and was still

24:09

largely in the same spot? It

24:11

was like literally 10 feet from where I

24:13

used it. Wow. That's

24:16

awesome. I thought you were going to say it was still

24:18

like just on your wheel when you're driving everywhere. It's like

24:20

a horror movie. It's like still clinging on

24:23

to my car. It

24:25

was amazing that it was still there. I had let it go,

24:27

right? Even emotionally as

24:29

we pulled away, I was like, I'm sad. I

24:31

liked that bag. But like me

24:33

going backwards like that

24:36

on ice was so scary. I was like, it's totally

24:38

worth it to lose a bag to not stress

24:40

about this. Yeah. Finding

24:43

it three months later was just a really

24:45

funny little thing to come across. And there

24:48

she is back in my section. That's probably

24:50

got them. They're survival devices. I was like, this is

24:52

back in my car. You didn't tell us that. That's

24:54

a bonus. No. No.

24:57

You did the good thing too, where you had the

24:59

whole fun grab bag of like, hey, we're going to

25:01

be doing a lot of drinking. So here's, you know,

25:03

here's ibuprofen. Here's, you know, all these things. So that's

25:05

so nice when someone does that before a wedding

25:07

when they're like, we know you guys are going to

25:10

get fucked up. So here's your here's

25:12

your little kit for your tummy. Here's

25:14

your pink juice, baby girl. Here's your

25:17

we had a wedding. We had a wedding last weekend, weekend

25:19

before Memorial Day. And

25:25

it was a like bed and

25:27

breakfast style in Bloomsburg,

25:29

Pennsylvania. And

25:32

there's a brewery on site. And

25:34

also the rooms, there were five

25:36

rooms toward

25:38

the bottom of the like acre

25:42

that was on and they were the old

25:44

stables had been converted into rooms and

25:47

like fireplace and everything. It

25:49

was super fun. But yeah, they had they had a I

25:51

see most weddings have those kind of like, uh,

25:55

what do you want to call it? Recovery bags and whatnot. Just like

25:57

our acts and stuff. You're hanging out in the room or. Killing

26:01

time between yours had candy. I was

26:03

a real nice bonus. I love getting a couple little

26:06

baggies. Oh Yeah

26:08

in the hotel. I remember. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

26:10

Yeah. Yeah. I think those are nice

26:13

wedding season is Always

26:15

kind of a nice enjoyable excuse to

26:17

travel to somewhere that you probably wouldn't

26:19

go It's maybe

26:21

not something that you would have done You get to see a

26:23

lot of old buds or people that you haven't seen in

26:25

a while that you enjoy and you have like Full

26:28

carte blanche to get drunk It's super allowed

26:30

in that situation to to party all night

26:32

and have a really good time. I mean,

26:34

they're great I I love

26:36

it. I love getting invited to wedding Yeah,

26:39

I feel like I wonder if there's gonna be a

26:41

second wave of like I feel throughout my 30s It

26:44

was like non-stop weddings I was going to and

26:47

I feel like most of my friends are married

26:49

now And so I do wonder if like, you

26:51

know in my late 40s if

26:53

there's gonna be a second wave of like

26:55

second marriage You know wedding period,

26:58

you know, like yeah this year we thought last

27:00

year was bad for us this year. We have Five

27:03

or six. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, but

27:05

it's like nobody we can say no to

27:07

and we're like excited for all of them

27:09

But like we'll be in Hawaii for like

27:11

a small 35 person

27:13

destination thing in October We'll be on Kauai if

27:15

you're going to Hawaii for a wedding. I'm going

27:18

to Oklahoma for my next one. Yeah Yeah,

27:21

like sometimes the ones where you go like middle

27:23

of nowhere are the most fun But

27:26

we yeah, we'll be there for our anniversary in Hawaii.

27:28

So that'll be fun. But yeah like

27:31

an excuse right like Yes,

27:33

it's an expensive place to go. But how lovely

27:35

is it to be like well, sorry, honey We

27:37

gotta go to Hawaii like a really good friend

27:39

getting married. Like it's I

27:41

wouldn't probably pick Hawaii for vacation It's

27:44

too expensive. But if I had a

27:46

good reason Yeah,

27:49

turns out Hawaii is pretty expensive it's

27:52

getting so expensive I looked it

27:54

up I was doing

27:56

some preliminary research for like destination places

27:58

like that and it's crazy doing

28:01

something like that in Hawaii. It's not just expensive

28:04

for the guests because obviously it's very expensive for you to

28:06

travel that far and to get a hotel room. But

28:09

the wedding ceremonies and stuff like that, I mean,

28:11

like they're starting at like $30,000. It's

28:13

nuts, nuts. Yeah, they're a lot. We're

28:16

looking forward to it. We'll be on Kauai, which is

28:18

like, from what I understand, more

28:21

like rustic of the islands.

28:23

So that'll be nice. It won't be

28:25

as touristy, I think, relatively speaking.

28:29

But yeah, that's the, I'm trying to think, that'll

28:31

be 10 hours to Honolulu from New York and

28:33

then we layover in Honolulu. Not direct, is it?

28:37

From New York to Honolulu, yeah. Oh wow, it's

28:39

all the way to- 10 hours, but then we

28:41

do like a very short flight over to Kauai

28:43

from Honolulu. But

28:46

yeah, outside of that, we have some

28:48

others that are just train, travel.

28:51

Like the trip I'm going on in four

28:53

days, what is it, Tuesday? Three

28:55

days, holy shit. The

28:57

trip we're leaving for in three days or honeymoon in

28:59

France is the longest, I

29:02

think the longest vacation I've ever gone

29:04

on. Three weeks, yeah. I

29:06

wanna say two weeks. I think the previous one would have been, I

29:11

mean, I did London and Cologne, Gamescom 2017,

29:13

I think. That's

29:16

a workstation. Yeah, it was a week in London

29:18

and then a week in Colombia. Yeah,

29:20

no, this is no work, taking two weeks off.

29:24

I don't think I've ever done that. No. I

29:27

swear to God, this is like ages ago. I

29:30

took five days off of work to

29:33

go to Nicaragua. And

29:37

I thought it was so crazy that

29:39

I did that because you get the weekend before and the weekend

29:41

after. That was like a, what,

29:43

you know, seven day trip. That's

29:46

the longest I've ever gone. And I thought that

29:48

was nuts. Like for me, I was like, I

29:50

can't believe I'm gone for so long. Yeah,

29:52

we're like work-wise, I keep like feeling

29:55

nervous about it, but everybody at work is like, don't

29:58

be, we'll be fine. That's the one. Lifetime thing like

30:00

you're allowed to do that Dan. What do you

30:02

think your longest vacation is? I mean I

30:05

feel like it's all work stuff, you know, like

30:07

yeah It's interesting like doing what we do and

30:09

working in games because like I kind of see

30:11

all the trips I've done as like fun trips

30:13

But they've also been technically work trips like you

30:15

know the times I've gone to Japan or Europe

30:18

and things like that Almost all

30:20

been work related. So as far as

30:22

just taking something where I'm not doing

30:25

anything related to work. I

30:27

mean Not

30:30

a lot really bonk and I went to New

30:32

Orleans And you know, it's probably New Orleans because

30:35

we kind of split that's kind of our honeymoon

30:37

We went to New Orleans and spent like four

30:39

or five days there just doing New Orleans stuff

30:41

But then we tacked it on to WrestleMania 34

30:44

And so then it was like, you know four or five

30:47

days of like WrestleMania stuff So it almost felt like two

30:49

little vacations Which I guess neither of them had anything to

30:51

do with work Like the first half was like honeymoon

30:53

New Orleans second half was you know wrestling?

30:56

Yeah, probably that I would say but yeah most time I

30:58

take stuff off work It's like I got a doctor's appointment

31:00

or I got some you know, I got people in town

31:03

or something It's not just like vacation stuff.

31:05

But yeah, I think we Collectively

31:08

as Americans could probably be better about taking

31:11

time but Though

31:14

like with what we do and I don't want to speak for everyone

31:16

but like I don't know I just feel like all this shit like,

31:18

you know, I'm going to the summer games fest next week and it's

31:20

like, okay Fun I'm

31:22

gonna be drinking and doing dumb video game

31:24

shows with my friends like to me that

31:26

that has never felt like I

31:28

gotta go on this work trip, you know, it's always been like

31:30

sweet And

31:33

go to fucking Disneyland and put on a show like

31:35

that doesn't feel like work to me, you know But

31:38

I understand what you're saying That

31:41

it doesn't drain you in the same way what

31:43

I will say like as someone who works in

31:45

the streaming space It is

31:47

very draining to be on all

31:49

the time And so that has

31:51

a cost to it, but

31:54

I agree with you when I go to the

31:57

Netherlands for Twitch con I

32:00

am working my tail off for like 10

32:03

hour days, 12 hour days during those

32:05

cons, but I'm laughing

32:08

during that time. I am meeting

32:11

people, I am enjoying their company,

32:13

I am having a blast, I

32:15

am working, but it

32:17

is fun and I hear you like,

32:19

I don't know if it's comparable to

32:22

me working the way I used to work previously

32:25

before I was in games. I don't think it's

32:27

the same cost. It's a different cost. You

32:30

bring something up that I think about a lot where

32:32

it's like the stress of being on all the time

32:35

and especially I see now more

32:37

than ever that my day job is being

32:39

on all the time on podcasts and streams

32:41

and stuff like that and more often than

32:43

night at night, I'm recording with

32:45

you guys, I'm doing a personal Twitch stream, I'm recording something

32:47

like Nextlander. So it's like, I think

32:50

I am actually on more than I'm off

32:52

to a point where it's been so long

32:54

now. I do wonder at times, and

32:56

this isn't necessarily a bad or a good thing or anything, where

32:59

it's like, has it just kind of evened out where

33:01

it's like, this is just kind of like, yeah, this is

33:03

just kind of me. I think

33:06

about that a lot where it's like, yeah, you

33:08

know what I mean? Does that make sense? I

33:11

believe you are built different. I do not think

33:13

that a lot of people can do what you do, Dan, but

33:16

you are built to say, oh

33:19

my gosh, I have an extra evening

33:21

free. I'm gonna stream this classic game

33:24

from the 90s. And I

33:26

think that a lot of people would be like,

33:29

ooh, that's precious me time. I think you

33:31

enjoy to a degree doing

33:33

it. And I think that you are built different.

33:35

I think you, I don't know a lot of people that could

33:37

do what you are able to do, but I think you are

33:39

able to do it. And I think it brings you joy. And

33:42

as long as it brings you joy, then go for it. It

33:44

100% does. It just makes me wonder if like

33:46

it is all just kind of merged and I'm just kind of

33:48

always on now. Like for instance, we've

33:50

hung out off camera, off my, a million

33:52

times. Like, do you feel like there's a

33:55

distinct, like, am I different when we're hanging

33:57

out at a bar versus on this? Uh,

34:01

yeah, but not like I

34:03

think you'd have to know you pretty well to like, okay,

34:05

but it's Like

34:07

I don't like I don't think people that's

34:09

where you get into like some Parasitic

34:12

stuff where people are like no, this is Dan. Like

34:14

I listen to him, you know, I'm sure different shows

34:16

So I know him I'm like, no, that's not It's

34:20

not all you but yeah, no, I don't think you

34:22

like I don't think you put it on

34:24

You don't come off as fake like on fire escape or giant

34:26

bomb or anything Like

34:28

hanging out. Yeah, we're just hanging

34:30

out. I think you fart more

34:32

I think you're a bit more

34:34

like very ever so slightly relaxed

34:36

when we're just hanging out Okay,

34:38

not that you don't come off relaxed on camera, but

34:40

there is certain thing. There are certain things where Do

34:43

you remember when we did the 20 like the

34:45

18 hour whatever like get goatee marathon? I don't

34:48

think was 18, but it was a really long

34:50

time the one where he broke my finger words Was

34:53

two years ago and you made a

34:55

fire afterwards at your house. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

34:57

Yeah And

35:00

we weren't on and we all

35:02

stared at the fire and we

35:04

allowed silence for like 20 minutes And

35:07

sometimes someone would say something and sometimes we'd be like, yeah,

35:09

I like that too And then we would sit in silence.

35:11

I think you allow silence more

35:14

sure But

35:16

like that to me was like the

35:18

pure we're so fucking tired But

35:21

we weren't ready for bed because we're our

35:23

brains were still active. Oh, yeah, I

35:25

guess we're recording this I can never go straight to

35:27

bed. I'm still I'm still on you have to wind

35:29

down I wake I wake my wife up and I

35:31

keep like doing bits to her Okay No,

35:47

I mean I I'm not I'm definitely different

35:49

I think I started to notice that Like

35:52

I would like Covid I would you know, I would be

35:55

streaming some of my own stuff I'd be streaming with you

35:57

guys. We'd be recording this I was

35:59

working very long long days and very intense stuff

36:01

for like speed run on the quibi

36:03

show right yeah so like I noticed that I

36:05

would always be fine for like a few weeks

36:07

but then all of a sudden there would be

36:09

like a moment where it all hit me at

36:11

once where I'm like like

36:14

oh like oh right it's Wednesday and

36:16

I told people I'd stream Banjo-Tooie and

36:18

like dread creeps in because I thought I

36:20

had a free night and I was like it

36:23

hits me differently that's why I stopped streaming I was

36:25

like that's not that's not it was

36:27

rewarding in many ways feeling it was rewarding in

36:29

many ways but it was also like I I

36:31

got I get way more out of doing things

36:34

that have nothing to do with video games these

36:36

days like I had the opposite where

36:38

it's like I'll have a night like a rare night where

36:40

I don't have anything planned and like I'll be like alright

36:42

what the hell I guess all I could put together this

36:44

Lego and put some TV on the background or maybe I'll

36:46

play something on the same deck and like I can't shake

36:49

this thing for my head when I'm like that was like

36:51

what am I doing I'm wasting time like I'm not like

36:55

I have no excuse to not be streaming I

36:57

have no excuse to not be doing something productive

36:59

and it's like yeah I think you're built different

37:01

I was like that for a bit but I

37:03

think like honestly Amanda has gotten me more to

37:05

embrace relaxing and I'm not good at relaxing at

37:07

all but like she she is definitely like

37:09

encourages me to hey this is not wasting

37:11

time you are recharging this is like it

37:14

sometimes I I felt like I

37:16

would I was actually overextending myself but I wasn't

37:19

using time wisely by not taking any free time

37:21

because then it was built up and I would and

37:23

then my work would suffer or my work didn't suffer but I

37:25

could see a world in which my work

37:27

suffered huh yeah I guess if I'm

37:29

just doing it and it's all under my control I'm always

37:31

like good to go go go go go it's the thing

37:33

is when I pack my schedule so crazy then it's the

37:35

nanosecond I start getting a bunch of like hey can you

37:37

come on this thing hey can you do this thing hey

37:39

do you want to come do this it's like a bunch

37:41

of people asking and I'm looking at the calendar I'm like

37:43

I don't have a single fucking free night and it's like

37:45

well that's my own doing that's my phone you know like

37:47

that's my phone and then I can't then when I get

37:50

asked to squeeze something in then I can't do it like

37:52

yeah I I do realize that yeah it's

37:54

probably healthier to like

37:56

schedule those days in or like that's up is

37:58

good I don't not enjoy it But I yeah,

38:00

I can't help but think like I could be doing

38:02

something with my time right now You have like a

38:05

you have date nights don't tend to the yeah. Yeah,

38:07

we do like yeah, we watch movie every week You

38:09

know we definitely do that Yeah,

38:11

yeah, we just a bunk and me and Hanson when

38:13

saw a periodic on the last one that was fun

38:15

Yeah, is that as good as people are saying it's

38:17

good. It's good I didn't like that quite as much

38:19

as period and I don't think I like very road

38:21

quite as much as most people did But

38:24

I like them both a lot. I think they're both really good movies.

38:27

I wanted to see it I I'm going to

38:29

see it. I will see Furiosa. It looks like

38:31

a really fun action split But

38:34

our weather was pretty good this weekend, and I just cannot justify

38:37

Sitting in a movie theater when the

38:40

weather is nice like oh sure I

38:42

like I'm like waiting for a rainy day

38:44

when it's perfect to just go to a

38:46

movie theater and enjoy it Yeah,

38:49

we have a we have a pool at

38:51

the Chateau we're at in Bordeaux

38:53

So we're like we should we have a pier right here

38:55

on the water that we go to like it's in our

38:57

backyard Basically, so we're like alright. We should

38:59

get used to some Sun this weekend before we

39:01

go So then we're kind of ready for the

39:03

pool and whatnot, but um yeah, it was

39:05

gorgeous here this weekend But yeah, I want to see Furiosa. I still

39:07

want to see Civil War. I have not

39:09

seen Doom part 2 yet What about the

39:11

Garfield movie? Yeah, like

39:14

you've been raised over that

39:16

gem. I thought three times already Yeah,

39:21

I kind of want to see it that seemed kind of good

39:23

to me Yeah, I

39:26

mean there seems like there's stuff out there I don't

39:28

know if how much anyone

39:30

here gives a shit about the conversation

39:32

going on about the box office, but

39:34

this Last weekend

39:36

was really low yeah comparatively to

39:38

decades before and there's all these

39:41

People asking what do you think is the

39:43

reason that the box office is so low and

39:45

a lot of people are blaming COVID

39:48

for getting people to wanting, you know,

39:50

just comfortable looking at movies in

39:52

their own living room. Some people are saying

39:54

that They're

39:56

converting the box office to digital too

39:58

quickly. So it's a Like you can just

40:00

wait and see. Oh, Dune is already on like Max, right?

40:02

Dune's Dune is, yeah. And so

40:04

it's really not a huge sacrifice.

40:07

You're not missing this cultural phenomena,

40:09

like you were when Barbie hit theaters

40:11

and everyone was talking about it, which wasn't that

40:13

long ago. I mean, back in the day, it'd

40:15

be like six months between a movie coming out and it coming out

40:17

on DVD, you know? That's right. And so, but

40:19

anyway, there's just like all these different

40:23

theories of why the box office didn't do

40:25

this well. I don't know if I

40:28

have my own outside of

40:30

the fact that unless everybody else is

40:32

like me, my answer was maybe

40:34

the weather has been on average better.

40:38

I don't like to do a movie when the

40:40

weather's nice. But summer is blockbuster movie season and

40:42

it always has been, you know? So it's like

40:44

they didn't stop people for decades before this. So

40:47

like something changed at some point. Like

40:49

I, if anything, I think COVID made movie theaters

40:51

better because they had to kind of up their

40:53

game because there was that period where like all

40:56

these movies, new matrix is coming out and just

40:58

streaming first. Dune's coming out to streaming. And

41:00

they, during that time period, that's when you started

41:03

seeing like kind of the more widespread adoption of

41:05

these recliner seats and these better screens and the

41:07

Dolby digital things, more IMAX and stuff like that.

41:09

So those are the ones we go to the

41:11

theaters for is the ones where it's like these

41:14

big summer, like, you know, we saw Pung V8,

41:16

we saw Dune, we saw Furiosa,

41:18

we've seen all these because like you want to

41:20

see those in the big, like, you know, we've got big

41:22

screens in surround sound and all that stuff at home, but

41:24

like, there is something about the theater still. And

41:26

it's typically at me and Bonk and frequently Ben

41:28

Hanson, I think we're all kind of in that

41:30

same boat where it's like, yeah, we want to

41:32

go, you know, that first like week a big

41:34

movie is out. Cause I don't know, it's those

41:36

reclining seats and everything are great now. It's great

41:39

like, you know, hearing and crowd reactions while you're

41:41

there. There is something you don't get. And I

41:43

think the theater itself is more comfortable now than

41:45

pre-COVID. Yeah, I agree.

41:47

I think like

41:49

I'm fine going to see movies in

41:53

like the dead of summer heat to get away from the heat.

41:55

But yeah, this being like the first super nice weekend, I was

41:57

like, I'm not, I don't want to go see a movie this

41:59

weekend. Yeah, I'd like to go

42:01

back out there. Yeah, we're usually seeing once it

42:03

started like you know between like seven and nine or something

42:05

like that So it's kind of getting dark anyway Do

42:08

you ever see rom-coms in theaters or

42:10

are you always gonna see like an

42:12

action flick in a theater? I

42:14

don't know cameras on this show or another

42:16

one, but I really I don't know how many rom-coms I've

42:18

seen in my life. Like I don't know if I've really

42:20

seen them It's

42:22

never been a genre. I've really seen I guess

42:26

Oh big tough guy to know it's not bad

42:28

at all. What a tough boy I'll

42:31

pull up my letter box So

42:34

masculine Not that I'm sure

42:36

they're great We've done this on fire escape and you

42:38

look through your letterbox and you're like, oh, I guess

42:40

that's a rom-com Oh, I guess that's okay. Okay. That

42:43

was on this. Yeah, I couldn't remember like which ones

42:45

I've seen But like yeah, like like the notebook and

42:47

stuff like that. Like I've just never seen those that's

42:49

more romance like romance than rom-com Oh, okay Like

42:56

definitely more than a man is a rom-com. Okay

43:00

But yeah getting forgetting Sarah Marshall. Oh, right

43:02

right. Yeah, okay when Harry met Sally She's

43:06

a ten. Yeah, anytime there's like Common

43:08

it. Yeah, anytime there's a pun.

43:11

Yeah, you know, rom-com actually stands for her.

43:13

What's that Mike? well

43:16

one Edward Edward Rommel common

43:18

back in Germany in the

43:21

1919 Mary I

43:23

love it when he does a setup for a joke and

43:26

then you ask him to give the punchline and it's obvious

43:28

He hadn't thought that far ahead yet. Yeah.

43:30

Well, that's you putting me on the spot. That's not my

43:32

fault You ask the

43:34

question you said what do you think? Have

43:39

a back Every

43:42

question needs answers now And

43:45

there's too cool for rom-com I Thought

43:48

that Mike was setting himself up for a bit

43:51

because when we were a game spot Mike

43:53

used to sing where he'd be like Oh,

43:55

what do you think? You know, do you know what this was

43:57

made from and we'd be like, yeah, and then he would like

44:00

walk away or he would make up

44:02

something completely nonsensical like the entire intention

44:04

of it was to fuck with the

44:06

asker like you were never serious at

44:09

all what's the one where

44:11

you like would intentionally be like you

44:13

would ask something like what does that

44:16

was that what is a movie like you

44:19

were just intentionally fucking with people with

44:21

much of my sense of humor it's often like anger

44:25

funneled through humor at like

44:27

one anger funnel yeah but

44:29

like we worked with a

44:32

couple people but one person especially

44:34

who loved to butt into conversations and correct

44:36

people when he was this person wasn't even

44:38

a part of the car so

44:40

in like as a way

44:42

to mock them and bait them I would

44:44

start asking really obvious questions

44:46

as if I was confused so then they would jump

44:49

in and correct it and then the whole room would

44:51

know that they were the asshole so I

44:53

would be like what the fuck does

44:55

like uh what did I say oh shit

44:58

what was the one that really I

45:01

know everybody at every office I've worked out

45:03

with you and who you hate specifically in

45:05

my head I'm going through this Rolodex which

45:07

one you're talking about that like this person

45:09

is a stereotypical like actually kind of person

45:11

I think I know you're talking yeah I

45:13

would have I've said something like like

45:16

what is what is FF 14 stand

45:18

for and then they would jump in

45:20

like really quickly and then the

45:23

idea was to show them how much of an asshole

45:25

they were but they wouldn't even notice because they know

45:27

that stuff up or up their own ass so then

45:29

the rest of the room would be like oh my

45:31

god so we would always just like roll our

45:34

eyes when he asked a question that he

45:36

knew the answer to intentionally I

45:38

loved when I worked in the film office at

45:40

Smaharti and I've worked in numerous I've worked in

45:43

three different offices Mike Marty so this could be

45:45

anyone but like if I heard someone start talking

45:47

and saying some bullshit and I knew Mike would

45:49

be pissed off I would hurt Mike who's with

45:51

an earshot and to see his face he would

45:54

just be staring daggers into me I'm gonna

45:56

fucking kill this guy I

46:00

or girl I don't give anyone it

46:02

could be anyone Probably

46:04

who knows? Yeah,

46:07

I'm not yeah, I don't usually hide it too. Well

46:09

when I know you don't like someone no they know

46:13

Most we did a we did an anonymous

46:15

survey I'm

46:17

gonna be like delicate about this we did an

46:19

anonymous survey my company

46:21

recently and you get anonymous points

46:23

back or like someone is like

46:26

I love Working remotely or

46:28

I wish that there were more opportunities

46:30

for growth like and they never

46:32

put the name But they would have anonymous

46:34

pieces of feedback that we could look at and be

46:37

like, okay I need to work on this or I

46:39

need to improve this and My

46:42

team isn't very big and they gave me

46:44

my anonymous feedback and one of them was

46:46

as a father of two I think

46:48

it's great. Oh no As

46:52

a six foot to father of two

46:54

with light brown facial hair with

46:56

one green eye and one blue eye Waiting

47:00

this morning at a hundred and sixty three pound

47:04

I said hey Mary what's hanging? How was your

47:06

weekend? I had a barbecue at my house with

47:08

my wife Sally and my daughter Here's

47:16

a satellite image of my house and here's a

47:18

photo of my face, but anyway, I think this is a great

47:20

idea It was

47:23

lovely feedback and it was like totally fine But

47:25

it made me be like I'm so like later

47:27

I was like just so everybody knows when you

47:29

take these anonymous surveys don't say

47:31

really Mary

47:38

farted once and I didn't have the courage seller.

47:40

I heard it and smelled it as I was

47:42

celebrating my birthday on March 2nd Oh

47:48

No, I don't think you realize that or she it could

47:50

be anyone Yeah,

48:00

I we did like some

48:02

not this is not the same thing at all. I was

48:04

just telling I forgot about this. This

48:08

game spot, Mary, I think after you left,

48:10

we had these like we had this week

48:12

of like. I

48:15

forget what the word would have been like workshops, and we

48:18

had different people come in and then we kind of made

48:20

workshops to teach people certain things that was like, get

48:22

the international teams together when we had the

48:25

Australia, when they had the Australia and UK

48:27

teams. And it was mainly

48:29

like us skill sharing, and it was actually pretty fun

48:31

and useful. The reason for us to all get together

48:33

during the day and then, you know, I

48:35

would teach people like how to good

48:37

practices for like writing a feature or

48:39

something as opposed to reviews and news.

48:41

But we also had some

48:44

outside people come in around then and. We

48:48

were sitting in like a meeting room and

48:51

this person was like, all right, let's just I want to

48:53

get to know each other like career development or something that

48:55

we were we kind of had to attend. And

48:58

this guy was like, all right, so

49:00

let's start with you, Mike. What

49:03

what is your greatest? Like he had

49:05

gone on the spiel and I was only. Greatest fear.

49:07

Yeah. So I do it. Icebreaker. Yeah. So he had

49:09

been he had been on the spiel and I was

49:11

not listening to the whole thing. So I came out

49:13

of like my trance and I heard him say like,

49:16

so Mike, what is what is your biggest fear? I

49:18

was like being buried alive would suck.

49:20

And he's like, I meant like career wise. Yeah,

49:23

you heard me. That's

49:26

a game journalism, baby. You don't know what's going

49:28

to happen. I was like, wow, I completely misunderstood

49:30

this. And then there was that same week. It

49:32

was just, God, it was a bunch of clusterfuck.

49:34

Yeah, it was like we didn't realize I think

49:36

it was Rob Hanlery. We

49:40

someone was like, that was the guy that you

49:42

hated that I was referring to earlier. Yeah, Rob. Yeah. The

49:44

corrector. Yeah, definitely. You always talk about that.

49:46

Yeah. But how much I hate Rob Hamler,

49:48

I talk about that all the time. No,

49:51

like someone had we had been we were supposed

49:53

to submit like anonymous things to this like after

49:58

after this meeting, we were supposed to submit something. Anonymously,

50:00

but Rob answered the question like to in

50:02

the meeting room, and he's like oh, no

50:04

sorry this one's be anonymous It's

50:06

remember Rob it. Oh, sorry Sorry,

50:09

yeah, I can't talk. He you know Rob does that when

50:11

he's embarrassed of it. I can't talk right now grandma Did

50:14

you steal the fake phone call thing from Rob? Fake

50:18

phone call thing no I got the phone call

50:20

thing from Hello fuck it

50:23

was an e-bomb world video Back

50:25

before YouTube this guy woke up like in his

50:27

bedroom And there was like a college dorm trash

50:29

scattered everywhere a phone is reading so he kept

50:31

picking up different things Okay, hello

50:34

fuck hello fuck okay, I'll show

50:36

you a banana The

50:40

grandma thing is Rob Hanley mom like

50:42

so what Middle

50:45

of doing something like a bit, and it

50:47

doesn't land He puts

50:49

his hand up to his ear and goes

50:51

oh, sorry. I gotta take this mom. Yeah,

50:54

sorry Oh, and he walks away. I can't talk

50:56

right now grandma Yeah, it is

50:58

funnier than it does the hand because I assume

51:00

his phones in his pocket And that would make

51:02

for a better prop so the hand is funnier

51:04

right yeah, yeah, okay? when we

51:06

he He traveled with us

51:08

a couple years ago We

51:12

were all at a bar with we

51:15

were just drinking at a bar me Rob and a

51:17

couple buds and A local

51:19

started drinking with us, and we were just having a

51:21

really good time We were all getting along really well

51:24

and Mike was I think Mike I think Rob

51:26

said something like casually like what a great

51:28

night I'll have these memories forever and was really sweet and he

51:30

was like I have to go to the bathroom So he leaves

51:32

and goes to the bathroom and rightly as

51:34

he goes The cool guy we

51:36

were drinking with was like we have to take a

51:39

photo This is like such a fun evening. We have

51:41

to remember this it was not intentional no one had

51:43

bad Like there wasn't any

51:45

reason that it just I just naturally happened like

51:47

this and so the guy You

51:50

know takes his phone out and starts taking

51:52

selfies and right as he's taking selfies Rob

51:54

comes back from the bathroom And

51:56

sees us taking photos without him And

52:00

it's like, what the fuck is happening?

52:02

And he starts freaking out and he

52:04

calls, he fake calls his mom and

52:06

he's like, come get me. Don't

52:09

take this, they ruined my evening. They

52:11

took a whole bunch of photos out of me. And the guy,

52:13

like, we don't know him that well. And he's like, what's going

52:15

on? And we're like, oh my God, it's just a bit. He

52:17

does this all the time. He's like. He's

52:19

like. Mom, come get me was always really funny. Guy's talking

52:21

on his face. Middle of the night. Mom.

52:24

Yeah. We

52:26

were close to offending him that night, but he was fine. He

52:29

always bounces back. Do

52:32

you want to do again? You mean to. Bob,

52:35

come get me. Yeah,

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54:12

Mary last episode you said

54:14

that correct me if I'm wrong you

54:17

said you don't really If

54:19

you beat animal well, there could still be a

54:21

lot to do but you said you finished it

54:23

now Did you really finish it or

54:25

you just saying that I have not fit?

54:27

I don't know if you can And it animal

54:30

very unraveled. Yeah, I

54:32

rolled credits 15

54:36

minutes after I Talked

54:38

to you Dan if that makes sense like it was 15

54:40

more minutes of gameplay since the last time we

54:43

talked about animal Well on the podcast

54:45

correct got it So it was only 15

54:48

minutes since getting the four beacons lit or

54:50

whatever so it was a really quick turnaround

54:52

to rolling credits But once the

54:54

credits roll and again, I'm gonna be really

54:56

careful because I think animal well is fantastic

55:00

And I really encourage people to play this

55:03

Metroidvania esque game where you

55:05

are getting items and the

55:07

game doesn't explain What

55:09

they are or how you use them and so you

55:11

have to play around with them to understand how? Mechanically

55:15

they work in the world. I do think

55:17

that because it's so ambiguous It

55:19

can be frustrating for some people who are like, but I don't

55:21

know what to do or where to go And that

55:23

is a problem that I'm facing now Because

55:26

my only hint after

55:29

the credits rolled was Gaps

55:31

in my map, right? I'd be like, oh

55:33

this area of the map is black So

55:36

I obviously have never been here before so

55:38

I will travel there and I will I

55:40

will look into it But there

55:42

were actually a lot of places in the

55:44

time in that game that I had been to but I was

55:46

like I don't know how to get through that or like I

55:49

Don't know what to do here and I left and

55:51

it turns out there's Secrets in

55:54

there and it's very difficult to traverse now.

55:56

There's no fast travel outside of the warps.

55:59

Yeah, I mean that is Well, I mean did

56:01

you do the the okay at this point let's

56:03

just open season on spoilers here, so

56:10

No, okay, we don't have only like three weeks

56:12

old Well, so are you saying the only way

56:14

to fast travel is to travel to the hub

56:16

room like manual like to walk

56:18

there Yes,

56:21

oh, oh I

56:24

won't elaborate Another

56:30

way to do it For

56:33

yeah I've

56:36

been waiting for a faster

56:38

travel system. Oh, I I just

56:40

want It

56:42

is my heart Going

56:45

to be broken. You could make your life a

56:47

lot easier This

56:51

game is so frustrating because like

56:53

I Got some items I've

56:55

been getting things and I don't think I fully

56:58

understand how all of them work What items

57:00

do you have I have a

57:02

flute I have a spinning top like

57:04

it's not a flute. That's a hint I Haven't

57:08

played the game yet. I know you have it

57:11

because I think it is the flute But

57:13

I don't understand like I've been to the

57:15

fast travel hub And

57:18

it's very effective But

57:20

it's also very limiting to be like I have to

57:22

get one to one of my fast travel stations in

57:24

order to travel around killing

57:27

me Talk

57:32

about it offline after yeah. Yeah, okay.

57:34

Hmm. Just know the game is thought

57:36

of this Of

57:38

course it has but okay.

57:40

I was I was I was observant and

57:43

then tried things and then was rewarded for

57:45

it Dan

57:50

is right. No record the

57:52

part where I hate you Yeah

58:00

It also does not have like that Prince

58:02

of Persia, like easy one button press, take

58:04

a screenshot, put it on your map type

58:06

things. So like everything you're saying about

58:08

the map and it getting frustrating is very true where

58:10

it's like you're hunting for pixels that like, wait, is

58:12

that building? Have I not been, have I not tried

58:14

that corner of that room? And then you have to

58:16

like, well, especially if you're

58:19

walking the whole way, it

58:21

takes a while to get there, to just check it out, to be

58:23

like, oh, right, it was that thing I couldn't do. Yeah,

58:25

I wish I had thought about this a bit more and

58:32

understood how

58:35

I could fast travel. But if I had

58:37

also thought ahead of time and

58:39

I was at an area with a puzzle I

58:41

could not solve, I should have marked it on

58:44

my map and like written

58:46

on my map what I wanted. And

58:48

I couldn't, I didn't articulate that.

58:50

And so now I'm like, not

58:53

really sure where all the puzzles that

58:55

I left Unsolved are. What are you playing

58:57

on? On the Steam

58:59

Deck. Okay, I was too. And like,

59:01

you know, Switch's screenshot thing is just

59:03

so quick and snappy and easy to get to in

59:05

Access. Steam Deck, I'm sure it

59:08

has the functionality, but like, I don't think I've ever

59:10

taken a screenshot on Steam Deck, have you? I

59:13

haven't taken a screenshot on

59:15

my Steam Deck. I think there is,

59:17

but I haven't done it. I very

59:20

boomer style take a photo of my

59:23

Steam Deck. I was doing

59:25

that too. And I have

59:27

photos of both Animal Well and the other game

59:29

I'm talking about on my phone.

59:33

You just gotta press and hold the Steam

59:35

button and the R1 trigger in unison. That's

59:38

funny, I don't think I've ever seen that like pop

59:40

up or anything like that. I've never even considered it.

59:42

So one of the rare moments, we're like going to

59:44

activate a code on Steam Deck as well. Like you

59:46

have to go with settings and then library and then

59:48

activate a game or something. Yeah, it's so rare that

59:50

like Nintendo and hardware and the way you do something

59:53

is like the more simple, elegant way, because usually Nintendo

59:55

is so far behind and all that stuff, but like

59:57

that screenshot button is actually like, it's limited to 30

59:59

seconds. for video but like screenshots like or

1:00:01

Mario out of the stuff it would have those puzzles

1:00:03

and like Take a picture easy to get back to

1:00:05

tears the kingdom same thing Yeah

1:00:09

steamed back I

1:00:11

have never used it on steamed back either So

1:00:15

Mary have you seen credits and you're still

1:00:17

going is that what's going on? Yeah,

1:00:19

I think I have 36 eggs I

1:00:21

don't know what's normal or an appropriate amount, but

1:00:23

I feel like I have a very strong selection

1:00:26

of eggs I'm still really

1:00:28

enjoying the game Uh, I

1:00:30

think I even this was really frustrating. I

1:00:32

think I even know what the travel system

1:00:34

will be I just didn't I

1:00:36

didn't I don't know Tell me what

1:00:39

you think it is and i'm just going to stare straight ahead in

1:00:41

that response Okay There

1:00:43

are these like beacons that are throughout the

1:00:45

game and they're like They

1:00:48

look like little posts with a ball

1:00:50

on it and i've tried playing my

1:00:52

flute and i've tried Spitting

1:00:54

my little top near them and I haven't seen

1:00:56

anything but I think these Simple

1:00:59

beacon structures probably like zips at me

1:01:01

to different areas on the map I

1:01:04

see Oh my god I

1:01:09

I wish sometimes that this game was

1:01:11

a little bit more talky because I

1:01:14

could have saved myself so many

1:01:16

boobless hours if I just knew

1:01:19

How to get there and i've been

1:01:21

really adamant that I will be genuine

1:01:24

in my Playthrough of

1:01:26

animal well that I would not look up how

1:01:28

to get things done and i've been pretty accurate

1:01:30

to that but almost to a Detriment because there

1:01:32

are some puzzles that are very difficult to solve

1:01:34

without someone explaining it to you I

1:01:36

mean when they sent the codes out They specifically

1:01:38

were saying like hey This is a game that

1:01:41

is best experienced talking to people about the things

1:01:43

you've discovered and like they had a pre-release Discord

1:01:45

server where it's like hey Here's for press to talk about

1:01:47

things that they've talked about and like and and I kind

1:01:50

of did what you're doing where I didn't Want to go

1:01:52

in there? I was like I wanted to discover these mysteries

1:01:54

for myself and so I never joined the discord or anything

1:01:56

But everyone i've talked to that did that was like yeah, it's

1:01:58

actually kind of probably the way So like I do

1:02:00

think it's intended to like share now

1:02:03

if not like outright Google. What does this

1:02:05

do? How do I do this? I think

1:02:07

this type of back and forth is like

1:02:09

encouraged by the developer Yeah,

1:02:12

I I think that's fair

1:02:14

But I also think like as an experience

1:02:17

It's sometimes hard for me to swallow that

1:02:19

I should have like talked to someone about

1:02:21

that game a little bit more to understand

1:02:23

It I felt the same way with the

1:02:27

last Silent Hill

1:02:29

demo PT PT very

1:02:31

clearly was constructed in a way that was

1:02:33

like we want you communicating as a As

1:02:37

a globe about what you think you're

1:02:40

supposed to do next with the phone remember However, it

1:02:42

was like trying to solve that

1:02:44

game. Yeah, I was playing that

1:02:46

game live on a stream for three

1:02:48

hours Trying to figure

1:02:51

out how to get to

1:02:53

the ending and I couldn't trigger it

1:02:55

and we needed to like talk

1:02:57

to more people I think in order to

1:02:59

solve it. I found that really frustrating that

1:03:02

the game just wasn't solvable unless Someone

1:03:04

told you what to do. So that's

1:03:06

fine and that can be the design

1:03:08

but I think I prefer and get

1:03:10

more enjoyment out of a game that

1:03:12

is like We're gonna

1:03:15

give you enough hints for you to

1:03:17

get there I will say I

1:03:19

will say that the times that I

1:03:21

have figured it out and stumbled across

1:03:23

the solution has been joyous It is

1:03:26

extremely fun To finally

1:03:28

figure out how to manipulate an animal or

1:03:30

how to use an item in a different

1:03:32

way perhaps for traversal or something It

1:03:35

is extremely fun when it does happen

1:03:38

So yeah I think I'm kind

1:03:40

of with you on on this because like

1:03:43

there there is a certain portion of people that are talking

1:03:45

about like This is like one of the greatest games ever

1:03:47

they're obsessed. They're gonna see the ending after the ending ending

1:03:50

It is a great game and I really enjoyed my time

1:03:52

with it, but I spent like nine hours with it I

1:03:54

saw the first set of credits and then I was like,

1:03:56

all right people keep talking about I like this

1:03:58

is where the real game Starts. Here's were, you know, and

1:04:00

I was like, let's get some more eggs. Let's

1:04:02

do this. But I did run into what you're

1:04:04

describing, Mary, where it's like kind

1:04:07

of frustrating, kind of banging your head against some

1:04:09

stuff, kind of wasting time going

1:04:11

around the map to things that don't lead anywhere. And I

1:04:13

was just kind of like, you know what? I had a

1:04:15

good, you know, nine hours with it. I saw credits. I

1:04:17

feel like I had a in

1:04:19

my head. I feel I had a full experience

1:04:21

with that game. So I did stop there. I

1:04:23

don't intend on going back. I respect that there

1:04:26

is that much more. And I've got friends that

1:04:28

are like going super duper hard on it. And

1:04:30

they're 30, 40, 50 hours in going crazy with

1:04:32

it and tons of notebook stuff and everything. But

1:04:34

I just didn't I

1:04:36

felt like I was OK backing out after the first set

1:04:38

of credits. I think that's fair. I

1:04:41

will say that at this point, and it

1:04:43

can always change because you never know. I

1:04:45

think that this will be in my personal

1:04:47

top 10. I think it's extraordinarily good for

1:04:50

the 20, 24 game releases. And

1:04:53

I love it. I also

1:04:56

will not 100 percent this game. I do

1:04:58

not have the patience for it. And I

1:05:00

have I have gotten too frustrated,

1:05:02

too many times being like, I don't know what

1:05:04

this game wants me to do. And because I'm

1:05:06

trying not to look things up, I'm just stuck.

1:05:08

So. But I have enjoyed my

1:05:11

time with it. And I do fully recommend this game. I

1:05:13

would say. We've

1:05:15

talked about this before, but I have

1:05:17

different recommend recommendation levels based on how

1:05:20

much of a gamer I perceive someone to

1:05:22

be. I would not recommend this for a

1:05:24

casual gamer. I really would not. Mary,

1:05:27

I think everything you're saying is like

1:05:30

a direct segue into what I feel

1:05:32

about Lorelei and the laser eyes. Get

1:05:34

it. OK. So you were literally as

1:05:36

soon as you started talking about it being ambiguous

1:05:38

and everything, I made a note to like, yeah,

1:05:40

that this is that times

1:05:42

a billion, I think. So Lorelei and

1:05:44

laser eyes is theme and switch like

1:05:46

animal oil. And it is a puzzle

1:05:48

game. And a printer, right? Am I wrong? That

1:05:52

sounds right. Simogo, I thought they did device

1:05:54

nine. Oh, let me look it up. OK.

1:05:58

But yes, very much a puzzle game. and

1:06:00

everything about it's got a- Oh, publisher

1:06:02

Annapurna. Okay. We're both right.

1:06:04

Yeah, go ahead. It

1:06:06

is, it's got a

1:06:09

really cool style to it. I saw people,

1:06:11

somebody described it as like, if David Lynch

1:06:13

designed an escape room, and I think that's

1:06:15

probably a pretty good way to put it.

1:06:17

It's like very kind of monochromatic with a

1:06:19

little bit of red put in there, but

1:06:21

you're a woman that goes into a hotel

1:06:24

and there's just, from the moment you get

1:06:26

in there and start analyzing things, or like

1:06:28

there's one button. You move

1:06:30

around and you can press any button basically to interact,

1:06:33

slash, deal with the menus, slash, do

1:06:35

puzzles. What about walking? Walking

1:06:37

is just like an analog stick, and then like a- So,

1:06:40

one plus action button. Context sensitive

1:06:42

action button, yes. Yeah, okay. So,

1:06:46

yeah, you'll look at something. It's a phone, it's

1:06:48

a door, it's a statue, it's a puzzle, it's

1:06:50

a notebook, it's something like this, and everything you

1:06:52

interact with goes into your

1:06:55

menu. So, it's like there's a photographic

1:06:57

memory thing where it's like everything you've seen you can look

1:06:59

at. There's like a journal where it'll tell you like time

1:07:01

stamps, like here's where you saw this, here's where you opened

1:07:03

this door, here's where you found this thing, here's where you

1:07:05

saw a dog. So, everything

1:07:07

is kind of like there's an inventory. You get like

1:07:09

a Game Boy thing. This is

1:07:12

the type of game where you need to have a

1:07:14

calculator and you need to have a notebook to kind

1:07:16

of track everything. And that really

1:07:18

intrigued me a lot because I love shit

1:07:20

like The Witness or Fez where I do

1:07:22

feel like I'm like deciphering something. Like I

1:07:25

always loved logic puzzles back in school and

1:07:27

stuff. Chants of Saint Nara last year was

1:07:29

good and that was hard. That type of

1:07:31

stuff, yeah, yeah. So, this is like in

1:07:33

that conversation, but it

1:07:35

is way more intimidating

1:07:38

in terms of like, as you're walking around that

1:07:40

hotel the first time, you're

1:07:42

gonna like add 30, 40 entries into your like, hey,

1:07:46

you gotta unlock this thing. You gotta put this cube into

1:07:48

this thing. There's a hole here, what are you gonna do

1:07:50

with that? And like everywhere you

1:07:52

look, there's another thing getting added and

1:07:55

very rarely are things getting solved.

1:07:58

And so it's a lot of looking around. a lot

1:08:00

of questions, not a lot of answers. When

1:08:02

you do find the answers to something, it

1:08:05

is very satisfying. Like there are fun puzzles. There's

1:08:07

a lot of math and logic going in. Math?

1:08:12

There is a good amount of math. Like for shortcuts in

1:08:14

the hotel. I don't mind math,

1:08:16

but like I'm surprised. Math

1:08:18

puzzles. It's like, yeah, here's a four by four grid

1:08:20

and here's a bunch of numbers and there's three question

1:08:23

marks in there. So like, what would those numbers be?

1:08:25

And you have to figure out like, okay, so that

1:08:27

was four, eight, 16. Okay, so we're times one by

1:08:29

two. And then we got to like, there's a lot

1:08:31

of just deciphering just to like unlock a shortcut. But

1:08:33

then more often than not, it's more confusing words. Like

1:08:36

here's a statue with a three by three grid on

1:08:38

a statue's head and it's just a bunch of letters

1:08:40

and there's like a keypad next to it, but it

1:08:42

doesn't seem to like tie to that at all. And

1:08:44

there's no real direction. So you're like trying to find

1:08:46

a notepad with you're trying to read like, oh, maybe

1:08:48

the date is something or this name. Maybe if I

1:08:50

try to call that name on the phone, but then

1:08:53

there's this woman, this old woman that's asleep in a

1:08:55

bed and I can type in anything. It says like,

1:08:57

what do you want to say to her? And

1:08:59

I can type in any word. And there's like a

1:09:01

doctor's note next to her that says like, oh, she

1:09:03

responds to verbal stimuli about her place of work and

1:09:05

her life. It's like,

1:09:08

I need to find a note about her life and just

1:09:10

say names from these notes and nothing's

1:09:12

working. And it's just, it's a, the

1:09:15

few times that I did like crack the code on

1:09:17

something, I was like, oh my God, this is fucking

1:09:19

amazing. I love this name. Right, but what's happening 90% of

1:09:21

the time? Yeah, 90% of

1:09:23

the time I'm like, okay, where do I go now? And

1:09:26

I'll look at my list of things to do. And I'm

1:09:28

like, man, I don't have the slightest lead on any of

1:09:30

this shit. And they try to kind of give you a

1:09:32

little bit of breadcrumbing words. If you

1:09:34

followed the red, like, oh, there's bloody footprints. There's some

1:09:37

red pixels here, you know, trying

1:09:39

to like lightly guide you towards things. Even

1:09:41

when I was trying to do that and like take their

1:09:43

guidance, I would just walk into a room and just be

1:09:45

like, ah, okay, there's these architect

1:09:48

plans here. There's this door over here with a

1:09:50

keypad. And it's just like most of my time

1:09:52

was standing in rooms and walking around a hotel

1:09:54

being like, I don't even know where to start.

1:09:58

So I felt very smart and very stupid. mostly

1:10:00

stupid playing this, but it seems

1:10:03

like if you play an hour of this and you

1:10:05

feel like it's clicking with you, I bet

1:10:07

it's incredibly rewarding because I've heard from people

1:10:09

who played through it that like this stuff

1:10:11

later on the game gets even way more

1:10:13

insane with this stuff. There's a lot of

1:10:15

people who are really smart who

1:10:18

want extremely challenging puzzle style

1:10:20

games like Baba is You

1:10:22

and that

1:10:25

boat one where... Oh, Overton.

1:10:27

Overton the boat. I'm really glad that you

1:10:29

got that. You know that

1:10:32

boat game that is missed upon itself. I do

1:10:35

I really struggled with both of

1:10:38

those games because they challenged me to such

1:10:40

a degree that

1:10:42

more than me saying I am

1:10:44

a smart person and that makes me

1:10:47

feel good. I felt stupid and insecure

1:10:49

and not confident that

1:10:51

I was having

1:10:53

fun. I'm

1:10:55

getting there I think but I don't know if

1:10:57

I'm enjoying myself. I don't know if this is

1:11:00

fun for me to solve this. I feel like

1:11:02

Baba is You is like a game for babies

1:11:04

compared to this. In terms of the progress I

1:11:08

made, Baba is You I kind of moved through that

1:11:10

pretty quick. Didn't beat it, but I was able to

1:11:12

get really far. There's a level in Baba is You. I

1:11:14

don't remember exactly when it is, but there's a point in

1:11:16

Baba is You where I feel like collectively every gamer was

1:11:18

like, Oh fuck, out of here. I

1:11:21

definitely know that at some point. Lorelei,

1:11:23

I think Lorelei is polite enough to

1:11:25

get to that point way earlier in

1:11:27

case you want to back out. Yeah,

1:11:31

I think that's a really

1:11:34

very polite way for you

1:11:36

to say that this game is it's

1:11:38

not a bad game. It's just for

1:11:41

a very specific audience and I I

1:11:43

felt that very much playing Obra Dinn

1:11:45

and I I've started

1:11:48

to become aware of my limits with that type

1:11:50

of game design. So I don't know if that

1:11:52

sounds like it's for me, but I have to

1:11:54

say all the other things that you said is

1:11:56

something that I would like. I love that color.

1:12:00

Their unique style and design. I like

1:12:02

one button concept for. It's like this

1:12:04

could be anything like have figured out.

1:12:06

I. Don't want to have my

1:12:09

game or notebook filled with

1:12:11

like forty pages of. The.

1:12:13

Know there is a phone and there's a

1:12:15

weird number that I have to deal with.

1:12:17

It can't be that complicated, needs to be

1:12:19

solvable to a degree, or it within the

1:12:21

room. I think it's nice. Resident Evil does

1:12:23

that really well be like everything you fucking

1:12:25

need is in this room. Figured out super

1:12:27

know about this is have take everything

1:12:29

you have seen would arise from last

1:12:31

for hours and try to figure it

1:12:34

out. You know it's it's a lot.

1:12:36

I think I deeply respect everything but

1:12:38

I saw for most and I think

1:12:40

I'm too stupid to take forever associated

1:12:42

with. It's good I only make I'm

1:12:44

not. I'm good at logic puzzles. I

1:12:46

am go to the sub suffice to

1:12:48

censor nearly as me quickly. The do.

1:12:52

You. Play case to the gold my lesser known

1:12:54

to two years ago. Okay,

1:12:57

this is. There's an email asking us like has

1:12:59

of Uverse recommended Something that don't like is right

1:13:02

up someone valley that they still have not played

1:13:04

are on display in Twenty Twenty Two. There was

1:13:06

an episode where I try to tell you guys

1:13:08

that you would both love the case, the gold

1:13:10

medal and other yet you kind of like ignored

1:13:13

me. It's logic puzzles for your piecing together a

1:13:15

murder based on these like you to send these

1:13:17

scenes. And then you have to

1:13:19

like piece together the verbs and the weapons and the

1:13:21

stuff in the. On. The seats and

1:13:23

they can't get increasingly more complex, but.

1:13:26

That. Game is like a masterclass in never

1:13:28

getting too. Thick. It's very. Complex but

1:13:31

it doesn't get like. A

1:13:33

It doesn't get. Like. Opaque ever

1:13:35

say I'm I'm going to get it

1:13:37

right now because in ninth grade on

1:13:39

steam deck by by okay it's. I've

1:13:42

heard of scrubs. You get like this static seen

1:13:44

like almost a point and click adventure looking scene

1:13:46

and then you have to basically solve the murder

1:13:49

and what really happens sometimes. the murder, sometimes like.

1:13:51

You're. Clicking around like these eyes

1:13:53

spy? kind of. ask? Scenes.

1:13:56

of like a cross sections of mansions

1:13:59

and you're like Oh, okay. So now

1:14:01

this is the servants quarters. Like I

1:14:03

know that that person left to go get milk that one

1:14:05

day And then this person gave it like case of golden.

1:14:07

I was honestly like aside from Elden

1:14:09

ring and vampire survivors I think it

1:14:11

was my number three game of 2022 and

1:14:14

we talked about it a bit Did

1:14:17

but like did you play it Mary? How did

1:14:19

I I? Think I

1:14:21

told you that I would Yeah,

1:14:23

I think Jake and I talked about

1:14:25

it This

1:14:27

game honestly, it sounds like exactly what

1:14:29

you guys were are looking for from

1:14:31

Lorelei and like even parts of Animal

1:14:33

Well But like all right, I just

1:14:36

downloaded it. Oh man, it's it's it's

1:14:38

in terms of like puzzle games Like I thought

1:14:40

Chance of Sinara was pretty good last year. What

1:14:42

was the other puzzle game last year that uh,

1:14:45

yeah I did like a wave and are But

1:14:48

oh god case of the Golden Idol and they came out the

1:14:50

DLC. I've been meaning to go back to that's what reminded me

1:14:53

I'm the complete edition with everything. So

1:14:55

I'll yeah, it's oh my god I

1:14:57

fucking that game is logic puzzles

1:14:59

about murders and crimes and like I think it's

1:15:01

like 18th century It's supposed to be

1:15:03

so you're like at this tavern Where

1:15:05

you know like you're finding out that there was

1:15:07

a murder upstairs so then you're kind of like

1:15:10

surveying the scene and then clicking

1:15:12

through like people's belongings in their desks and

1:15:14

then going between the rooms and

1:15:16

then like seeing what's in this person's pocket

1:15:18

and You're like, oh interesting but

1:15:20

then that game gets very good at like That's

1:15:24

it's one of those like It's

1:15:27

a very good crime Investigation

1:15:29

game as well because half of the

1:15:31

puzzles are about like alright. I've been

1:15:34

assuming this was fact

1:15:37

This whole time and now I'm hitting a dead dead end So

1:15:39

I need to go back to the beginning and look at like

1:15:41

what I was assuming and what I can pick apart It's it's

1:15:44

really good. That can happen. You know, I want to play

1:15:46

it looking for something to play right now Like that actually

1:15:48

maybe when you recommended it before we were just in the

1:15:50

middle of one shit like because that does sound really Yeah,

1:15:56

it became a bit then then like you guys

1:15:58

are like no I still haven't And

1:16:00

like that's shame on both

1:16:02

of you for not giving the battle where we've grown

1:16:04

as people We're better.

1:16:06

We're always a work in progress Mike. I think it's

1:16:09

more of a reflection on you I think it's reflection

1:16:11

on you for not being supportive of game developers Mary

1:16:13

if I'm not growing You're

1:16:15

not growing with me. So you're

1:16:17

also stifled. What does that mean? Nixon's

1:16:21

campaign slogan You're

1:16:24

not growing with me Yeah

1:16:29

Then also there's like this cool through line for all

1:16:31

those all the levels whatever you want to call them

1:16:33

in case the golden Idol where you start to see

1:16:36

like I See

1:16:38

what the overall story is here. It's not like hokey

1:16:40

or gimmicky. It's just like oh interesting. These were all

1:16:42

kind of connected Yeah, that

1:16:44

game's awesome. I want to replay it now that the

1:16:46

DLC is out between that and vampire

1:16:48

survivors I think those might be my plane games

1:16:50

for Paris. I actually pretty excited that sounds great

1:16:52

Yeah, and I'll be on the sgf flight soon.

1:16:54

So maybe I'll play that. Yeah Oh, it's a

1:16:56

great flight game because like half the time you're

1:16:59

just like kind of You're

1:17:01

not always interacting. No, that's not true Yeah, it's

1:17:03

just like it's one of those games Like it's

1:17:05

just fun to kind of like look at the

1:17:07

screen and not do anything else for like 10

1:17:09

minutes at a time Being like what am I

1:17:11

missing here? But it's very much

1:17:13

like a crime like oh My

1:17:17

god Like it hits you out of nowhere when like

1:17:19

you put it down to go to the bathroom or

1:17:21

get a drink or something Oh, I was assuming that

1:17:23

dude had done that but yeah, they

1:17:25

tell you when you when you put the thing in the right

1:17:27

spot They'll um They'll

1:17:30

I forget exactly how it works, but I

1:17:32

think it's just really good feedback Loop

1:17:35

throughout the whole game. I like that game quite

1:17:37

a bit. Nice. Okay. I'm excited.

1:17:39

I will try. Yeah It's

1:17:41

gonna that's gonna be funny if that gets like best game

1:17:43

that didn't come out this year when I've just been talking

1:17:45

about it For two years. I haven't been talking

1:17:47

about for two years straight, but man, I think Jake and I were the

1:17:50

ones About this game, I think

1:17:52

grub was big on it too. So I probably heard

1:17:54

about this a ton Yeah, I tried it. It's

1:17:57

now it's not recommend it Admire.

1:18:03

Yeah, major theory think I live.

1:18:05

I describe him and. A sin

1:18:07

for you might. Ago. So

1:18:10

I played. it is. A Total War Warhammer

1:18:12

As as a bit war Warhammer and

1:18:14

I would like this is Mike Written

1:18:16

all over a third day Sick? Check

1:18:18

it out. I. Played a game that

1:18:21

heavily inspired by both Resident Evil

1:18:23

and Silent Hill and it's called

1:18:25

Crow Country. Oh this is on my list is

1:18:27

a good. It's. Very

1:18:30

good. At it on my list like number two

1:18:32

am. I was the games. I'm sorry I'm so a. A

1:18:34

fantastic game for. People.

1:18:37

Who enjoy those theories? People who are

1:18:39

looking for a spooky game to play.

1:18:41

but it's not. Too difficult.

1:18:43

They have a really good. Concept.

1:18:45

Art Let me leave. Act up! You are a.

1:18:48

Detective. Who has been asked

1:18:50

to go to an old abandoned me

1:18:53

as them? Part of: Find a missing

1:18:55

person here as soon as you get

1:18:57

to. This means that part. Sit.

1:19:00

Starts going down weird, creepy

1:19:02

and I'm like messed up.

1:19:05

Humanoid. Ask Monsters are coming

1:19:07

out you It has. Ah,

1:19:10

I probably not gonna sit properly, but

1:19:12

as I can't ask controls right, it

1:19:15

is older cool, it feels and looks

1:19:17

like a playstation. Era leave

1:19:19

polygon Colonel. Yes, I owe him.

1:19:22

But it has all the detail that

1:19:24

you need. And it's it's not

1:19:26

to be clarified. eight better anything like

1:19:28

it. It has like good. Graphics.

1:19:32

But your is one era. It is meant to look

1:19:34

like an old school game and it does an

1:19:36

excellent job. I'd. Freaking. You

1:19:38

out because miss like those games back

1:19:40

then you had to kind of sometimes

1:19:42

still in. What these monsters

1:19:44

looks like? As if they weren't

1:19:46

extraordinarily vivid. So. Seeing.

1:19:49

A blob that has.

1:19:51

kind of guts and me. Looking.

1:19:54

Pieces and then some. Eyes you're like

1:19:56

is that the melted percent like it

1:19:58

has a. buck up style to

1:20:00

some of the monsters that

1:20:03

I think people will

1:20:05

enjoy. There are excellent

1:20:07

puzzles. They have done a good

1:20:09

job with having you run the map.

1:20:12

Just like both

1:20:14

of these games, you have to find the map on

1:20:16

the wall in order for you to see it. And

1:20:18

then it will tell you, I think it's great, like

1:20:21

Silent Hill, it circles an area

1:20:23

in red. When there's a

1:20:25

puzzle there, you haven't beat yet. And

1:20:28

when you've beaten the area, it uncircles

1:20:30

it automatically for you. So you do

1:20:32

not waste your time constantly

1:20:34

going back to the boiler room. You've

1:20:36

solved that area, baby. Like you need

1:20:38

to be in the theater. It's great

1:20:40

at guiding the, it does not tell

1:20:42

you what to do. It

1:20:45

softly guides you. It's obvious

1:20:48

there's times when like you will, you

1:20:50

will be like walking down the aisle

1:20:53

of some area and a huge number

1:20:55

will be like 20, 20 zero 72

1:20:58

will be on the ground. You'll

1:21:01

be like, I need to write that

1:21:03

down. And it will 100% come back

1:21:06

to play very quickly. This game is

1:21:08

generous, but it will push

1:21:10

you to solve

1:21:12

all these puzzles. I

1:21:15

think it's just fantastically designed

1:21:17

and it's so obviously designed

1:21:20

in the love of these old school games.

1:21:22

So if you loved Silent Hill and Resident

1:21:24

Evil, this is a, this is a must

1:21:27

play in my opinion for people who loved

1:21:29

these games. It is spot on.

1:21:31

It's done an excellent job. I'm

1:21:33

gonna, that's on my list for sure. That's

1:21:36

right up there with Lorelei.

1:21:38

I want to check it out. I

1:21:41

played, what was the game? I think

1:21:44

also 2022 was a

1:21:46

signalist, which I fucking love.

1:21:48

That was the thing. Resident

1:21:51

Evil meets a bit of alien

1:21:54

almost. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. And I

1:21:56

think if you and I both

1:21:58

bonded off of signalist, This

1:22:00

year's sick Nala it's it's

1:22:02

really brilliantly pussy. I finished it

1:22:04

in one sitting I think

1:22:07

it took seven hours, but I did not get up

1:22:09

from my couch I played this on

1:22:11

my steam deck in one sitting I was addicted. I

1:22:13

played it until 330 in the morning. Oh, wow.

1:22:16

Yeah Okay, maybe I'll play that like

1:22:19

I don't know. I'm torn I'm definitely gonna bring

1:22:21

like my steam deck or my switch for the flight,

1:22:23

but I probably won't be playing games I'm

1:22:25

not gonna be playing games during the vacation But I like do

1:22:27

you think that'd be a good playing game or that's something that's

1:22:29

better when I'm like hanging out at home in

1:22:31

The dark, etc. I

1:22:34

mean, that's a really good question I like scary

1:22:36

movies on planes and so I think I would

1:22:38

like a scary game on a plane But

1:22:41

not everybody is a freak like

1:22:44

that. I I really like horror movies on

1:22:46

planes I don't know why there's something about

1:22:48

being a tube in the sky that I

1:22:50

think suits itself. Well for Scary

1:22:53

games and so I would do it,

1:22:55

but I don't think it's for everybody I frequently thought I'd like

1:22:57

to be more anxious on planes Fear

1:23:04

of flying like it doesn't bother me. But yeah,

1:23:07

have I told you I can't play platformers on

1:23:09

planes Really? I I'm

1:23:11

generally better. I used to really not like

1:23:14

turbulence. I'm generally better about it these like

1:23:17

these days but Platformers

1:23:20

for some reason I get so into the

1:23:22

game that It's

1:23:26

hard to explain It's the fact that like

1:23:28

the games revolve around not falling and like

1:23:30

I'm trying to put myself in the character

1:23:32

shoes Like can I make this jump like

1:23:35

I got a time this perfectly and then the

1:23:37

plane like jiggles a bit I'm like, oh and

1:23:39

like I might I can't like justify

1:23:41

what's happening in real life. Oh, wow with the

1:23:43

game It's weird. Oh, I played like all of

1:23:45

Mario wonder on a plane Basically, I wish I

1:23:47

would because that's that literally is a game the

1:23:49

last game that prompted something I can't I

1:23:52

can't do it. I don't know what it is. I

1:23:54

get so Jumpy, there's that

1:23:56

specific quality. I look for in playing game

1:23:58

and like we have that best playing the

1:24:00

game category and it's the one for time melt away.

1:24:02

It's vampire survivors. And for me, it's across 3D. It's

1:24:04

those ones where like I'll just put on a podcast

1:24:07

and just like get lost in something and that's kind

1:24:09

of a rare thing. And so when I find one,

1:24:11

I will like be like, I'm saving this for these

1:24:13

flights I have coming up, you know, I've got vampire

1:24:16

survivors. The guns DLC that I'm

1:24:19

holding off for. And then what

1:24:21

else did I just. I

1:24:24

read down the download and enter the Gungeon. That

1:24:26

game is still really good. I was I was

1:24:28

playing that as well. Recently, I like I

1:24:32

like games where you die. You finish

1:24:34

a round and you either make it

1:24:36

or you die. Rolex. Yes,

1:24:40

that's exactly what I was trying to say. Blunky.

1:24:44

That's a really great one. Dead

1:24:46

cells. That's the AppleMania DLC was

1:24:48

great. Bellastro, a game where like

1:24:51

I have time for one more round. And

1:24:53

when the round ends, whether or not I

1:24:55

survive or die, then I will stare at

1:24:57

the back of the seat. I

1:25:01

need this is the first year since

1:25:03

I started working like in

1:25:05

and adjacent to the games industry that

1:25:07

I'm very behind on games. My

1:25:10

I'm keeping up with games as often as I can. But

1:25:12

I was telling you guys before we were live, like so

1:25:14

much of the games I'm playing now for work,

1:25:16

it's not like, oh, what's new, what's new, what's

1:25:19

new? Often it's like we have a specific project

1:25:21

with a client. I'm playing

1:25:23

games that are anywhere from three to five years

1:25:25

old like for research. So it's very much more

1:25:27

pointed research. So and

1:25:30

then by, you know, by the time

1:25:32

I have to play something I'm going to

1:25:34

enjoy, it's not always like I'm too. I'm

1:25:37

almost too drained to play something new. So I'm

1:25:39

just like, I'll go back to Warhammer three for

1:25:41

a bit. Have we talked about Total War, Warhammer

1:25:43

three before? Not on this show. I don't think

1:25:45

you've ever mentioned it. Gotcha. No. Yeah,

1:25:48

I play that still. But yeah,

1:25:51

I've got my point being I've got I'm going to

1:25:53

have to do like a staycation at some point, like

1:25:55

a day or two and catch up on games. So

1:25:57

I'm not useless by the time we get to our.

1:26:00

game of the year discussion oh yeah I played

1:26:02

a bunch of I played Prince of I mean I've I

1:26:04

played most animal well I need to play for

1:26:07

a lie give you

1:26:09

a cheat sheet of like hey here are the

1:26:11

the big ones here the big oh so to

1:26:13

be clear I'm aware of what they are I

1:26:15

read I'm up to date it's just I haven't

1:26:17

gotten hands-on with all the god what

1:26:22

watching you grasp that straws

1:26:24

here video

1:26:26

games now he's a businessman grasp

1:26:29

that straw wait why don't what are

1:26:32

you talking about I'm I'm

1:26:34

like I game all the time no classic

1:26:39

Mary gatekeeping video games we're

1:26:42

the real gamers here now Mary

1:26:45

yeah business meetings focus sorry sorry

1:26:47

I'm not sorry I'm not playing

1:26:50

bad games with Mitch and you

1:26:59

grub and talking about it's just

1:27:01

grub big grub

1:27:04

grub we know so much more about

1:27:06

dakatana the new businessman oh

1:27:08

you know more about dakatana sorry I'm not

1:27:10

playing sorry I'm not who is this

1:27:12

impression of sorry I'm bad

1:27:15

oh sorry I'm not playing a

1:27:17

game while people watch me play

1:27:19

it online oh sorry yeah some

1:27:21

of us a big boy job

1:27:23

sorry I'm sorry there's no live

1:27:25

chat next to the game I'm

1:27:27

playing the focus groups

1:27:30

are here live chat

1:27:32

yeah yeah that's useful

1:27:34

feedback oh no

1:27:36

no I internet chat are the most useful

1:27:39

of feedback trust me yeah they love

1:27:42

you yeah I got a few things I

1:27:45

can touch on here ah god do I even wanna have you

1:27:52

guys played hellblade I love

1:27:55

the first game I've not played too I hated the first

1:27:57

game and I hate the second game Yeah,

1:28:01

I look I don't if you haven't played it. I liked

1:28:03

the first one I thought the first one

1:28:06

was a really excellent reflection of like mental

1:28:08

health. I thought it I thought it

1:28:10

overstayed its welcome I was like

1:28:12

I'm ready to be done with it at when it like when

1:28:14

the credits rolled. I was like great. I Was

1:28:17

ready to like it was the first one. I

1:28:19

was like, oh, that's interesting This game wants to

1:28:21

do like a look at mental health and stuff

1:28:23

That's something that's not really treated well or realistically

1:28:25

in any way in games and I was up

1:28:28

for seeing that and I did not think it was

1:28:30

a good game and yeah, this

1:28:32

one is that again, but drier

1:28:36

and slower and less Interact

1:28:38

like I don't know it feels like just barely

1:28:40

interactive stuff that it doesn't seem like has much

1:28:42

to say Granted I'm not a story person

1:28:45

never have been I didn't care about the story in the first

1:28:47

one don't care about it now It's

1:28:49

a lot of slowly, you know pressing the analog

1:28:51

stick up and watching her like Walk

1:28:53

around and climb things and get into

1:28:55

very slow combat that feels

1:28:58

barely interactive It's

1:29:00

everything I said that I hated about Red Dead Redemption 2 And

1:29:04

how everything is just laborious and slow and seems

1:29:06

like story above everything But

1:29:08

it's it's it's way less

1:29:11

interactive and way less of a video

1:29:13

game So like hey some people

1:29:15

are liking this game that speaking to some people

1:29:17

great happy for him This is

1:29:19

the exact opposite of anything I come

1:29:22

to video games for so it's the

1:29:24

least me game imaginable And again,

1:29:26

that's how the first one was. That's how this one is for me.

1:29:28

I I deeply

1:29:32

Did not enjoy my time with this Okay

1:29:36

Yeah, I haven't played it but I

1:29:39

really liked the first game and I I

1:29:43

just haven't gotten around to this game and that

1:29:45

doesn't help that doesn't make me like It

1:29:48

does not bode well for me wanting to play

1:29:50

it because I liked what it

1:29:52

was trying to do But

1:29:55

I felt like I got

1:29:57

that from the first game. So if it's doing the

1:29:59

same thing I've already had that experience.

1:30:02

Yeah, it's undeniably like the animations are incredible.

1:30:04

The sound design is incredible. It's like there's

1:30:06

stuff going for it. This is clearly made

1:30:09

by very talented people, but it's, yeah, it

1:30:12

is, you know, it's that conversation about

1:30:14

like, oh, our game is supposed to be fun.

1:30:16

And like, I think, you know, games can be

1:30:18

whatever the developer wants them to be, but people

1:30:20

are gonna, that's gonna, your mileage is gonna vary

1:30:22

a lot based on what you want. And for

1:30:24

me, I can't think of games that I love that aren't

1:30:26

fun. You know, that

1:30:29

is, I come to games for fun. And

1:30:31

I, without exception, really, I

1:30:33

want things where I feel like I'm playing a video

1:30:35

game. The more something feels like a video game, the

1:30:37

more I'm gonna like it pretty much. This

1:30:40

does not feel like much of a game. Yeah,

1:30:43

again, it goes back to Red Dead 2 thing. That's

1:30:45

why I didn't like Red Dead 2. It just

1:30:47

felt like it was this kind of interactive art

1:30:49

piece, prestige, whatever the fuck. And that's, I'll

1:30:52

watch HBO if I want that. So not

1:30:54

into it, not a fan. That's

1:30:58

a bummer. Okay. But you really might

1:31:00

like it. Some people like it a lot. So, I don't know. I

1:31:02

mean, don't take my... I'm un-downloading it. If

1:31:05

you like the first, hey, you like the first one. So you,

1:31:07

you got a heads up on me. So maybe. That's

1:31:09

game pass, I believe, right? Yeah,

1:31:12

but Mary should buy it. Yeah, you should.

1:31:16

Dan, you texted me yesterday, over two

1:31:18

days ago or whatever, telling me about

1:31:20

this Majora, or like N64 recompiler, like

1:31:22

high frame rate version. What's going on?

1:31:24

It's more than that. It's insane. And

1:31:26

I am not smart enough with like

1:31:29

computer shit to accurately describe this. So

1:31:31

I'll just tell you what it looks

1:31:33

like to play and feels like to

1:31:35

play. There are some things, some

1:31:37

code that got cracked in the last week or

1:31:39

two with the Nintendo 64, where

1:31:41

basically, I think it has something to do with

1:31:44

like all of the files, all of the programming,

1:31:46

all of the guts

1:31:48

of these N64 games can now be

1:31:50

decompiled and recompiled to play on PC

1:31:53

and take advantage of high frame rates,

1:31:55

high resolution, different controllers, mods, things like

1:31:57

that. So now all of these 60.

1:32:00

four games and it seems like they're starting with like

1:32:02

the Zeldas, you can do

1:32:04

this crazy bullshit with where it's like I'm playing

1:32:06

Majora's Mask, I'm playing Ocarina of Time at like

1:32:08

165 refresh rate with

1:32:11

you know 4K or 1080p or you know just

1:32:13

looking absolutely

1:32:15

incredible with a bunch of

1:32:18

mods, a bunch of just like drop down, very

1:32:20

easy to customize things where it's, it is looking

1:32:22

incredible. And like I've done stuff with like, you

1:32:25

remember Mike you joined me on a stream like four

1:32:27

years ago with the 3DS

1:32:30

Ocarina of Time that I added texture

1:32:32

packs to in HD. And like that

1:32:34

stuff has always existed with emulation, that's

1:32:36

always been possible, but this is like

1:32:38

recompiling the whole fucking game and

1:32:40

making it look like, just seeing Ocarina of

1:32:42

Time or Majora running at these frame rates is

1:32:45

way more impactful than I expected when

1:32:47

I first heard about this. Cause like people were telling me

1:32:49

about it and it wasn't until like the cutscenes and

1:32:51

stuff at the beginning of Majora and didn't, I had control of

1:32:54

Link, I was like, holy shit,

1:32:56

it is crazy to see and

1:32:58

feel Majora playing like this. So

1:33:01

I was just kind of dicking around with that

1:33:03

for a while and then I got this

1:33:05

Ocarina mod, it's called like Ship of

1:33:07

Harkinian. And I realized

1:33:09

too that you could add, you can do

1:33:11

a randomizer on that. And that's been around

1:33:13

forever with emulation. But I did

1:33:15

a randomizer of Ship of Harkinian, Ocarina of

1:33:17

Time, and I added crowd

1:33:20

control to it. So like Twitch viewers

1:33:22

can like trigger bombs and enemies dropping

1:33:24

in and warping you around the map

1:33:26

and stuff, so it's like the most

1:33:28

fucked up Ocarina possible where it's Ocarina

1:33:30

of Time looking and feeling incredible, but

1:33:32

all the chests and everything are randomized

1:33:35

and the crowd is fucking with you. And

1:33:37

oh my God, it was so much fun. I was just wanting

1:33:39

to like do a little test stream and I wound up going

1:33:41

for like four hours the other night. And

1:33:44

it is even if you just played it

1:33:46

straight though, just played Ocarina with these mods

1:33:48

or played Majora, the like, you know, recompiled version,

1:33:51

it is like anyone who was a fan of

1:33:53

those 64 Zelda games needs to see what this

1:33:55

looks like and feels like and all the customization

1:33:57

you can do with it. It is wild. And

1:34:00

it's so much more than even like the the 3ds

1:34:02

remakes, which were awesome back in the day yeah,

1:34:06

I was looking at like footage of clock town with

1:34:08

the High frame

1:34:10

rates weird seeing the carpenters walk around at

1:34:12

that. I think it's a bit surreal.

1:34:14

Yeah, it's been Yeah, and

1:34:16

I saw that on YouTube like like I'm sure you're seeing

1:34:18

like the YouTube stuff now and like I was like Oh,

1:34:20

that looks crazy But then when I played it and it's

1:34:23

actually running natively that way and you're controlling it It's like

1:34:25

a whole nother level of like this is fucking nuts So

1:34:27

like I am so excited to see kind of where this

1:34:29

goes with like that Of course you start with the zeldas

1:34:31

But like I want to see a bunch of Mario stuff

1:34:34

Goldeneye a perfect dark Mario parties,

1:34:36

you know, whatever like there's a lot they

1:34:38

can do with this and it's it's very

1:34:40

very interesting to me. Okay And

1:34:45

then real quick while I'm on car on the Zelda

1:34:47

note here I I played a little bit of master

1:34:49

key today, which is another one of those like one

1:34:51

developer games very much You know based on

1:34:54

like links of the past it's monochromatic.

1:34:56

So it's maybe a little more links awakening It's

1:34:59

it's a little straightforward in terms of like

1:35:01

there's a billion games that are inspired by

1:35:03

Zelda and it's like this one I

1:35:06

played about an hour a bit and I was like, I didn't really see

1:35:08

anything that like really pushed it beyond another

1:35:10

Zelda tribute So I don't know I attended to

1:35:12

per like, you know blossom tails and other ones

1:35:14

that have kind of been their own thing as

1:35:16

well So didn't didn't love

1:35:19

Master key there was an interesting thing in that there's no

1:35:21

dialogue So you do have to figure out like you go

1:35:23

to a shop and you see a bunch of stuff and

1:35:25

it's like you see symbols Of like, okay. I

1:35:28

think this gives me more life I think this maybe makes me

1:35:30

do more damage and you kind of just have to spend your

1:35:32

money and see what it does but

1:35:35

overall didn't really grab me and The

1:35:38

other Zelda thing is when to work or HD.

1:35:40

I'm now like halfway through it on the steam

1:35:42

deck It is great on steam deck and it

1:35:44

reminds me of all of the updates They made

1:35:46

to win Waker HD from like the Swift sale

1:35:48

and everything that make it so much

1:35:50

better than the original and the original Is one of my

1:35:52

favorite Zelda's anyway But yeah,

1:35:55

having a great time with that. It's like really fun. You

1:35:57

like have a good reason to go back and play

1:35:59

it. Yeah It's it's I think

1:36:01

once I got it running on the steam deck because like

1:36:03

I'm constantly getting all these devices and just getting every Possible

1:36:05

system I can all configured on it and that's part of

1:36:08

the fun for me and I was

1:36:10

like, okay Let's see how Wind Waker runs on this and it

1:36:12

was running fine. I was like It's

1:36:14

been one when did this come out? Like this is about ten

1:36:16

years ago is probably last time I played Wind Waker and I

1:36:18

just like did the first dungeon I'm

1:36:20

on dragons roost like actually maybe I just want to keep

1:36:22

playing Wind Waker and Turns out

1:36:24

it's still extremely good Okay. Yeah,

1:36:27

so a lot of the stuff going on right

1:36:29

now But yeah, the one that's really got me

1:36:31

thinking a lot is all this shit you can

1:36:33

do with the decompiled recompiled stuff It's very very

1:36:36

cool. Yeah, I need to check

1:36:38

those out. Yeah, I haven't I haven't played Majora's yet

1:36:40

this year So this would be a good excuse Like

1:36:44

it's crazy like with the ocarina things like the the

1:36:46

mods you could do there's all these drop-downs and it's

1:36:49

just it's So minute these little things were like oh,

1:36:51

yeah, so I mean you can just make it so

1:36:53

it's oh It's it's randomizing the sounds or randomizing the

1:36:55

color palettes are doing this or that but then you

1:36:57

can also be like, okay This annoying little thing where

1:37:00

like when the owl talked to you and it would

1:37:02

always at the end like did you understand? It would

1:37:04

default to know it's like it'll switch to that Like

1:37:07

recognize everything any little complaint you could have ever had

1:37:09

about Ocarina of time and you

1:37:11

just toggle a checkbox or whatever or you could

1:37:13

just do goofy ones where it's like random enemy

1:37:15

sizes So you walk into a room and it's like that's

1:37:17

a big fucking bat or like you're the tiny little skeleton

1:37:20

guy And it's just things that kind of like mix up

1:37:22

the game like that I spent like 30 minutes

1:37:24

going through all these drop-downs. Oh, that's cool. Oh, that's

1:37:26

cool. Okay. Yeah Oh, I think I do want that.

1:37:29

Okay tech speed up so that'll make it faster to

1:37:31

go through this Okay, this will do this auto save

1:37:33

when I go into a room like there's quality of

1:37:35

life stuff There's goofy stuff like the enemy sizes It's

1:37:37

uh It's just really fun tweaking

1:37:39

a game that you've played so many times and know

1:37:41

that well in a bunch of different funky

1:37:43

ways And then if you want to get fucked up and

1:37:45

do randomizers and crowd control and everything it's you could really

1:37:47

go nuts with it So that that's

1:37:49

been delightful Cool. Yeah,

1:37:52

I gotta check that out. I Think

1:37:55

the last time I played Majora was Still

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it's like I was reading through some like Raimondale?

1:40:03

What? When do

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you think OJ will die? So you

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kids wouldn't know, yeah. Mary,

1:40:11

do you want to read this first one from

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1:40:15

do you think OJ will die? Much

1:40:18

love from Ontario! Who's

1:40:24

the one questioning that's a video game

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podcast? When do you think OJ is

1:40:29

gonna crow? Send that into the bunk.

1:40:32

I'll do it. Hey

1:40:35

Fire Escapees, I'm reading this email.

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Dan is right. Let

1:40:43

it die. Hey

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Fire Escapees, I

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started listing last May and finally cut up

1:40:50

to episode 80 after hearing, after

1:40:53

loss of listing in the car. And man, it's

1:40:55

been a ride, the car. Huh. I

1:40:59

added that last part. I've

1:41:01

grown to respect Mike's love of

1:41:03

boats and wine. Mary's obsession with a

1:41:05

game about an empty night and

1:41:08

Dan just being a fucking fucker. Dan

1:41:12

was a hard one to get

1:41:14

used to, especially with him making

1:41:16

my eye twitch whenever he mentioned

1:41:18

my beloved Horizon series. Oh, it's bad.

1:41:22

So, to my question topic

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thing. I noticed Dan

1:41:27

was never berated more for not

1:41:29

finishing the masterpiece that is The

1:41:32

Avatar, The Last Airbender, The

1:41:34

Nickelodeon version. You all should

1:41:36

really hound him for that.

1:41:39

I agree. Has there

1:41:41

ever been a show or game that

1:41:43

you just love with an absolute passion,

1:41:45

but when you recommend it, a friend,

1:41:48

watch, or play it, they can't get

1:41:50

five minutes of attention. Do

1:41:52

you listen to this podcast, Joseph? I

1:41:56

genuinely did not plan that with Case of the Gold

1:41:58

Knight. Thanks

1:42:00

again for all the laughs and keep up the

1:42:02

great work Joseph asked from San Antonio, Texas Oh

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gee, let me think Every game

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ever Well, look you can't

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give me shit for avatar the Simpsons. We

1:42:12

tried with Mike and Did

1:42:15

I not fall off quick I updated

1:42:17

like six episodes worth Like

1:42:20

on six episodes of fire. Yeah Yeah

1:42:26

No, you selected the episodes for me and

1:42:28

I watch we curated watch more You're

1:42:33

a liar a thief you're a piece of shit What

1:42:36

a rave we had to go around the horn on things

1:42:38

that we've suggested to each other so Mike didn't do Simpsons

1:42:41

I didn't do I mean I fell off immediately

1:42:45

As much as I did avatar. What is

1:42:47

there something that we push for Mary episode

1:42:49

you curated for me. I I

1:42:52

don't know if you both

1:42:54

were like you have to play this and

1:42:56

I did I usually play the recommendations from

1:42:59

both of you Mary

1:43:02

is pretty good about that. It's pretty

1:43:05

devastating. I'm not going to break this.

1:43:07

I'm not blabber. I'm not going to

1:43:09

belabor this But

1:43:11

I I think that

1:43:13

Hollow Knight deserved more attention Mary

1:43:16

I'll tell you this I When

1:43:18

I thought I was going to Poland a couple weeks ago

1:43:20

I was like I need a bunch of stuff my theme

1:43:23