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2:59

sick to death of it. And so you

3:04

guys, I

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cannot tell you how glad I am that

3:10

somebody I in fact, I know who was it was

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my friend Melissa ages ago

3:15

sent me an Instagram account and

3:17

said, you have to immediately follow

3:20

Celeste barber. At the time,

3:22

I didn't know who this was. I

3:25

mean, that was maybe the best Instagram decision

3:27

I have ever made. Listen, before

3:29

I get on about

3:31

it. If

3:33

you don't know who I'm talking about, literally pause

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3:38

to Instagram and follow Celeste

3:40

barber. Just so you can

3:42

see what I'm talking about. It's going to make the rest

3:44

of this interview make more sense. Trust me,

3:46

you're missing out if you weren't already. The

3:49

comedian, she's an actress. She's

3:52

been making a name for herself in her home country of

3:55

Australia and then ultimately Hollywood. And in

4:01

She started posting really

4:03

hilarious parodies of

4:05

images and videos of people

4:07

like Kim Kardashian and

4:09

Britney Spears and other really

4:12

notorious models and influencers.

4:16

They would be posing or

4:20

doing a video in some impossible

4:22

way that only those

4:25

very elite women

4:27

can pull off. And

4:30

so she's sort of copying their videos

4:32

and their stills but doing

4:34

it in parody fashion, trying

4:36

to look and dress like they do but with

4:38

hilarious results. I can't do this justice. You're just

4:40

going to have to go watch it because I

4:43

screamed out loud. I don't think I've ever

4:45

missed one of Celeste's posts ever.

4:49

So of course, her

4:52

Instagram account started to catch fire

4:54

because everybody was, she's so funny.

4:57

And also she's an everyday normal

4:59

person like all of us. And so

5:02

like taking these impossible ridiculous

5:04

images and like

5:07

turning them on their head was just

5:09

the funniest, best

5:11

thing that ever happened to Al Gore's

5:13

internet. And so she

5:16

almost has 10 million followers on Instagram now.

5:19

She's been hailed as the Australian Queen of Comedy

5:21

in 2017. She

5:23

won the funniest lady on Instagram award in 2020.

5:27

She won the AACTA, her favorite

5:30

comedy performer of the decade. And

5:32

in 2021, she won a Webby Special Achievement

5:35

Award. She's got so many other things happening

5:37

because she's so talented. She's

5:39

a highly successful standup comedy tour

5:41

challenge accepted, went on to sell

5:44

out three seasons in the US.

5:47

That was also the name of her memoir that was released

5:49

in 2018. She

5:51

has streaming platform specials, including last

5:53

year's fine thanks on

5:56

Netflix and then this wonderful

5:58

comedic series, WellMania. that

6:00

she stars in that came out in

6:02

2023. She

6:04

is married to hashtag hot husband, if you

6:07

know you know. So she is known for

6:09

over 20 years, married 10, and

6:11

who is such a good sport and

6:13

gets in on her antics all

6:15

the time. They have two boys together and

6:19

she is a

6:22

delight. I mean she is one of the

6:24

things that makes the internet worth it. And

6:26

I mean that. What

6:28

a lucky girl I am to get

6:30

to meet her and how

6:32

lucky are we that she said yes

6:34

to the Ford D'Aula podcast. So please

6:37

enjoy this conversation with the

6:39

absolutely delightful Celeste Barber. Okay,

6:48

Celeste, hi. I'm so, so, so

6:51

happy to meet you. I just,

6:53

you know, love you. Oh,

6:56

thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for

6:58

getting me on. Yeah, people

7:00

following you or not following you

7:02

is my friendship grid. This is

7:04

how I know like either

7:07

this is going to work out between me

7:09

and you or it isn't everybody in my

7:11

entire life adores you and follows you. You

7:13

bring such happiness to us. Also, you're

7:15

about 10 million Instafollowers.

7:18

That's no joke. Like these are

7:20

like Beyonce numbers. What in the

7:22

world? Is it crazy?

7:26

Yeah, it is. It is kind

7:28

of crazy. I don't know if I'm quite

7:30

at Beyonce, but Beyonce's biggest likes is that

7:32

she follows no one. I love

7:35

that. Oh, God. I love that.

7:37

It's so dramatic. Yeah, I

7:40

love I try. I'm like, maybe I'll do that.

7:42

And then I can't possibly do that. It

7:44

is, it is, it's a little bit crazy. I have

7:46

to say though, I think because you

7:48

know, that number is on your phone. It's not

7:51

like it's a place. It's just like in the

7:53

ether. It's just a number, but it's when I

7:55

go on tour or I'm

7:57

out in the bad in the street or whatever. But mainly

7:59

when I'm touring, and like those that

8:01

number translates to ticket sales and

8:03

bombs on seats and faces and

8:06

and conversation that's when I'm like oh wow

8:08

yeah I got a lot of people looking

8:10

at me. It is

8:12

so unnatural and it

8:15

can be so disorienting it's such

8:17

a weird life. I was on

8:19

a speaking tour one time with a group

8:21

of women we were in an arena and

8:24

I brought my sister with me and we were kind

8:26

of right there on the front row and then it

8:28

was however many people fit in arena and

8:30

she's like looking around she looks

8:33

at me and she goes why are all

8:35

these people here? I'm like I don't know I

8:37

don't know either like I'm as surprised

8:40

as you are to be honest with

8:42

you. You're gonna love

8:44

that you're gonna love this is bringing you back down to

8:46

earth. Oh no they don't care unimpressed

8:48

so let's start here for

8:51

the very very few amount of people

8:53

in my community who do not follow you, do not love

8:55

you, do not know exactly what it is you do in

8:57

the world. I wonder

8:59

just if you could high

9:01

level it just for a second this is kind of

9:04

your deal this is where you're at this

9:06

is kind of why I'm talking to you

9:08

like this why everybody I know loves you

9:10

and follows you etc. Well I

9:12

think the main reason why people

9:15

know me is because I take inappropriate unflattering

9:17

half naked photos of myself and I put

9:19

them online next to

9:22

beautiful models

9:25

and I cut through the beauty standards and the

9:27

beauty industry standards and the fashion industry and what

9:29

it is to be a woman and what it

9:31

is expected to be a woman in society I

9:35

poke fun at that and I

9:37

do parody photos of those industries.

9:40

I'm yeah first

9:42

and foremost but that is

9:44

how people now know me because of the

9:46

Instagram stuff. How'd this come

9:49

to you were you just jacking around one

9:51

day were you just being silly like I'll

9:53

just throw this up. I think

9:56

when Instagram started a hundred

9:58

years ago I just all these images

10:01

and I was like what's happening here?

10:03

This is fun because you know with like

10:05

magazines or whatever you're like for sure that

10:07

is that is clearly a photoshopped image which

10:09

isn't okay it is not okay but you

10:11

can tell there is a studio there and

10:13

there is lighting and there is hair and

10:15

makeup and that is indie crawford

10:17

and there's photographers and blah blah blah and

10:20

that's what's being sold to us but then

10:22

with social media it came out and it

10:24

was like those heavy

10:26

photoshopped heavy stylized photoshoots were

10:29

being sold to us as no this is every

10:31

day it's actually just what people look like every

10:33

day. This is what I look like dropping the

10:35

kids off at school with a little green juice

10:37

and really cute but fine it's like you know

10:39

whatever and I'm like that is not what I

10:41

look like dropping my kids off at school there's

10:44

a lot of screaming a lot of snot

10:46

like well I don't understand what's happening here

10:48

and I just thought we were all really

10:51

starting to take ourselves

10:54

we're being told to take ourselves a little

10:57

bit too seriously and I was like

10:59

I don't know I'm gonna have a little bit of fun with

11:01

this so my sister and I would send photos to each other

11:03

and we'd be like ah child acceptors and it

11:05

kind of it kind of came from that it's

11:07

all on your phone as well so three

11:10

o'clock in the morning when you're trying

11:13

to breastfeed your screaming child and you already hate yourself

11:15

and you're just looking at these images of going that's

11:17

not what I look like oh my gosh it just

11:19

kind of those are coming from everywhere and I thought

11:21

no I'm gonna have a bit of fun with this.

11:24

Not only is it fun you have

11:27

this knack for picking either

11:30

pictures or videos

11:32

that are so absurd from

11:34

the models they're so absurd they're it's

11:37

their legs kicking up to close

11:39

the car trunk and this so

11:41

outrageous like nobody walks around like

11:43

this nobody nobody does this in their

11:46

in their panties and those

11:48

are the ones you have an affinity for

11:50

and you pick the most ridiculous videos

11:53

and recreate them and I just I

11:55

don't know what to say because anybody who hasn't doesn't

11:57

follow you who's listening no we cannot explain

12:00

this to you. You need to stop pause this

12:03

show and go look at it and then you'll

12:05

see. But I'm

12:07

not surprised at all that it's as resonant as it is

12:09

because it's it's hilarious and also

12:11

it's true. So that's

12:13

how the rest of us are like this is social media

12:16

for the rest of us. And

12:18

it's such a relief. It's such a relief. Were

12:20

you like this as a kid? Were you funny?

12:24

Yeah, yeah, I've always been funny. I mean,

12:26

I can say that now

12:28

because I'm an adult and I see what that is.

12:30

But I think as a kid, I absolutely was funny,

12:32

but that is just being full on and a lot.

12:35

And I was I was all of those things. I

12:38

just didn't know how to kind

12:40

of channel it really. And I'm ADHD. I

12:42

was diagnosed at 16. I've been on and

12:44

off medication for it for decades. So

12:47

it was just like, she's just loud and everything.

12:49

But I knew I was entertaining. Well, I just never

12:52

picked the right time because you never do when you're

12:54

a teenager. We're not

12:56

familiar with the concept

12:58

of restraint. So did

13:01

you have an early North Star toward acting

13:03

and performing? Did you know that that was

13:05

what you wanted to do? Yes,

13:07

yeah, I used to dance when I was younger,

13:09

which I talk about in my new tour a

13:12

lot extensively. I

13:14

always wanted to perform always wanted to

13:17

act. I love dancing. I thought I was going to be a dancer.

13:19

Wasn't that good? I mean, I was good, but I found a kick

13:22

really well with my right leg, not with my left. So it's like,

13:24

well, you need to even that out. And

13:26

I found comedy very easy. I went

13:28

to drama school and to

13:31

university and I was like, I never, I really,

13:33

to be an actor, I need to,

13:35

you know, be all angsty and do

13:37

all the deep things. And then I remember my first,

13:39

my first job I got on a medical drama, actually,

13:41

in Australia at All Saints, one of

13:44

the actors on there was like, you're really funny. And

13:46

it's kind of annoying that you don't know how funny

13:48

you are. And you, you're dumbing that down. And I

13:50

just went down. And from then on, I just really

13:52

went into it. I find it quite easy.

13:54

I find humor and

13:56

comedy quite, quite easy to do. And

13:59

I never thought that that was okay. I

14:01

don't know if it's being a woman where you're like, no

14:03

you need to make things need to be hard for you.

14:05

But I always knew something in

14:08

the entertainment industry. I

14:10

wanted to be a Janet Jackson backup dancer.

14:12

I still do. That's my goal. Oh my

14:15

god. That's literally on my website that

14:17

that was my dream. Really? It's my

14:19

absolute dream. But I'm like, sure

14:21

I've made that with Tom Ford. Sure I had my Netflix

14:23

show. I want, I don't care. I would like to live

14:25

one day without anxiety and I would like to be a

14:27

Janet Jackson backup dancer. That's all I have for. I

14:30

love that dream. I love that dream

14:32

so much. You know that you have a gift

14:35

for comedy when you find it

14:37

easy because comedy is actually

14:39

not easy. I don't know if people

14:42

who just kind of consume it

14:44

necessarily understand that drama

14:47

looks harder, but it

14:49

isn't necessarily. It's actually hard to

14:52

be good at comedy. Timing is a

14:54

challenge and sort of a natural presentation

14:57

of comedy. You either kind of have

14:59

it or you don't. And

15:01

so you have it, which is

15:04

like you can't put

15:06

that light under a bushel. You just can't. You're too good

15:08

at it. And I can't

15:11

even fathom seeing you like in

15:13

a murder drama. I'd

15:16

love to do that though, wouldn't we? Killing people. Would

15:18

you like to flex that muscle a little? Yeah,

15:21

I did in my Netflix show. It was

15:23

quite a mix, which is always, you know,

15:26

any actors, I think favorite thing to do. Yeah. Comedy

15:29

is tricky. I remember

15:31

a while ago, YTT, you know,

15:35

brilliant, Oscar winning director. He

15:37

said that that comedy is

15:39

harder because drama, you tell half the story,

15:42

but with comedy, you tell the same story and you

15:44

make it funny. Yeah, it's

15:48

good. Which I thought was a really interesting

15:50

way to look at it. And it's true.

15:52

I see there's a real rhythm to comedy

15:55

for me. Like if I'm writing a joke for

15:57

the show or whatever, I'm like, no, it's not.

16:00

that's a dancing background as well. It's like there

16:02

has to be that rhythm there but

16:04

then someone that Ricky Gervais comes along and totally

16:06

throws any comedic rhythm out and

16:08

says here's the most awkward half an hour I'll just

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16:18

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16:20

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16:23

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16:25

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16:27

Hannah Gatsby too like oh she's just

16:29

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16:31

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16:33

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16:37

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16:39

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16:41

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21:16

office right now going, huh,

21:18

Joe, and I know

21:21

I'll be fine. It's hard.

21:23

So I need to be in a

21:25

room with people and it just be

21:27

clunky and awkward. And there's a lot

21:29

of crying and then huzzah, we get

21:31

gold. And that's why I like social

21:33

media a little bit, love

21:36

and hate it because it's a direct, direct

21:39

connection to my audience. There's no

21:42

execs going, you can't do this, you can't do that. And

21:44

I really, I really like that. Also, I

21:48

would say that my shows are kind of

21:50

a bit more one woman shows than standup.

21:53

When I write, I've done a few world

21:55

tours now. And then if

21:57

I'm asked to do like a corporate gig Five

22:00

minute to be shy or ah, I.

22:02

Can't I can and I can intellect

22:04

and mix it up a bit. but.

22:07

I can't just take out a section of a joke,

22:09

put in a good bit more. The. A

22:11

one woman show and I think that the it

22:13

because of my creative process where I just have

22:16

to rise at rehearsal and an open the show

22:18

as opposed to going. Instead up

22:20

clubs and in a train the

22:22

morning. Interesting material. More. Like

22:24

kind of an opening night for me and could

22:26

on a perfectionist which I hate. Oh

22:29

that makes everything. Harder doesn't it? Is.

22:31

So you write collaboratively. You have writing

22:33

partners the come around you when you

22:35

serve workshop the material with. No,

22:38

I write it. I write it alone you want to

22:40

know a wary eye of and then I'll I'll get

22:42

it off in front of. My. Best

22:45

friend Thomas is also my to a manager

22:47

for them. Tomorrow for example we're getting in

22:49

a room together and he's gonna go have

22:51

you gone on on on like when just

22:53

a fact that yell at him and have

22:56

to share toward the might look at him

22:58

all that themselves. But. Know it's a lot of

23:00

my head. And he

23:02

does and else and need to her. At

23:06

offense at exciting. Exciting. You can.

23:09

I. Am I am I starts at Netflix

23:11

is a joke festival in a line on

23:13

the second a my. Yeah.

23:16

How do you find? Other

23:19

comics. Other performers the you enjoy.

23:21

This is such a. It's It's

23:23

not a big world. It's kind of a small world.

23:26

Especially at your level where you have

23:28

Netflix muscles and World Sewers is this

23:30

is not a long list. Have

23:32

you enjoyed getting to know

23:35

other. Performers kind of at your level from

23:37

really all around the world I guess. Absolutely

23:40

it's the best. It's very sobering for

23:42

me, it's very humbling as well cause

23:44

I would think. You

23:47

know we're gonna have your his show and people who

23:49

on an industrial at what he may need to finance

23:51

a while to get rid the sauna like ya know

23:53

but then also to other comic. And.

23:56

They're like. Yeah. In. The Bronx He stressed

23:58

right side the wait before. That's what. all do

24:00

and you're like, oh, that's great. And I think

24:03

that that is at any level. I don't

24:05

know if that's what Seinfeld's doing. I think

24:07

he's probably fine. But the people

24:09

that I kind of spend my time

24:11

with at that level now, it's like, yeah, no,

24:13

we all hate this. This is, we don't know why we

24:15

do it. We all want to be a florist. It'll be

24:17

so much easier. As long as you know, you're

24:19

all standing on the precipice of the

24:22

cliff. Everybody is about to

24:24

nosedive and freefall in front of a live

24:26

audience. That somehow makes it feel better. Like,

24:28

well, I'm not the only one. Good.

24:31

We're all in this together. Yeah, I'm

24:33

not the only masochist here. Okay,

24:35

good to know. You have to really

24:38

prepare because I looked at your schedule today for

24:40

the upcoming tour, but it's a grind. I

24:43

mean, it is, you are

24:45

nosedive the grindstone for a month and a

24:47

half almost with zero breaths.

24:50

Do you do like a tour

24:53

repertoire? Because

24:56

it's exhausting to be that

24:58

on in that many cities that many days

25:00

in a row with that many people.

25:04

Yeah, I do. It's tricky because I live on

25:06

the other side of the world. So

25:09

if I didn't, if I lived in the

25:11

States, I'd probably tour year

25:13

round. I'd go, you know, do a weekend, come home,

25:15

do a weekend. I did that when I was living

25:17

in the States for a while. But because

25:19

I live in Australia and

25:21

my family and my life is in Australia,

25:24

I condense it as

25:26

much as I can. And I essentially go to

25:28

work and work like a

25:30

crazy person for however many months and

25:33

then come home. Otherwise, it gets

25:35

too stretched out. If I, I'll

25:37

be away for months and months and months and months.

25:40

And I got two young boys and I don't have

25:42

any interest in being away that long. The last tour

25:44

was Thomas and I, my tour manager and I, as

25:46

I said, is my best friend and I have an

25:48

assistant then. And I just keep

25:50

it tight. I really do. We go to

25:52

work and Thomas is incredible. He's very good

25:55

at when he gets the routing, he's figuring

25:57

out exactly what it is and he'll be like, right, so we

25:59

need, we've got five. shows back

26:01

to back and you travel on the same

26:03

day as a show. Actually, I think it

26:05

was seven shows back to back travel show

26:07

travel show travel show on the same day

26:09

and then we've got a

26:11

day off or two days off so we just

26:13

drive to those moments. It does help

26:16

to just kind of go we're at work. Yes,

26:19

exactly and I'm a workhorse when I'm on

26:21

I'm on I'm I'm happy to get

26:24

into it. I think you know as a mum

26:27

as well I kind of

26:29

have to be. I feel

26:31

that I'm quite lucky that with

26:33

work I usually have to go away for work

26:36

so I can fully immerse myself in it, do

26:38

what I have to do and then come home.

26:40

I think if I was working

26:42

at this level out of home I

26:44

wouldn't really I couldn't cope. How

26:47

old are the boys? My little dude

26:49

just turned 10 two days ago buddy

26:51

and my oldest boy Lou is 12.

26:53

Yeah. Yeah,

26:56

that's such a fun age and

26:58

and they still need

27:00

you right. I know I have five kids and

27:03

I'm a little north of New York. I know I

27:05

don't even know what to say it's so absurd. What's

27:07

the age range? My youngest

27:10

is 18 and so I

27:12

built my career too when they were in

27:14

elementary school and middle and so

27:17

I remember having to do the exact same

27:19

thing just as kind of a hat goes

27:21

on and you just put your head down

27:23

and you work and work and work

27:25

and then you take it off and you come home and you kind

27:27

of fill a different role. It is possible but it

27:30

does teach you how to work smart. Yeah

27:33

I think because so much of what I

27:35

do and I guess what we do is

27:37

creative it's not a nine to five right

27:39

so if I do some

27:42

work in the day with the kids at school

27:44

then I go home. It's not like oh it's

27:46

off because I can't control when I'm going to

27:48

have an urge to write something so I'm like

27:50

I'm never really off or I've had a

27:52

glass of wine so I'm feeling oh I'm going to write some

27:54

stuff so I'm not as there

27:57

as I kind of want to be and I take

27:59

my hat off to Women would in general

28:01

just always and forever right period fit

28:03

and mothers who are. Working.

28:06

To Die and and behind an excellent mother that night and

28:08

they get back to watching it And they can bomb explodes.

28:10

I don't know how they do that. I've

28:12

employed my my my sister is one of those

28:14

people who the nurse. As watch

28:17

Sometimes that. Blows. My mind

28:19

I can't on the have to go

28:21

to the other side of the world

28:23

and do some work and then I'll

28:25

come back. I am and I'll lie

28:27

on the couch and what school Iraq

28:29

with you are beautiful. Each side is

28:31

beast or famine. It's so different when

28:33

you're creative. creative work is just not

28:35

compartmentalize like that at all. nor is

28:37

it like performance side when you're on

28:39

the road or York in a live

28:41

event space or whatever. It is a

28:43

real slippery way to live and I

28:45

have sort of this out for better.

28:47

for worse. Will. Have a years to

28:49

and sky live it wrong. I.

28:52

Don't know if there's an answer, but I have. Found

28:54

also that when I disco. It's

28:56

work time. I. Can work

28:58

for fourteen hours? like? let's just get it

29:00

done. Let's go for and exactly the time.

29:03

The. One thing I really. Liked. About

29:05

you. Because. You obviously.

29:08

Parody. You know, this

29:11

ridiculous body? Image culture that we

29:13

were born into and photo size

29:15

is all of it. All of it is

29:17

not as we're on to it. we're on to it

29:19

at. This. Point: We have enough media literacy, the able

29:21

to go or and. Guys, but you do

29:24

it in a way. I. Just

29:26

don't know this as many people that

29:28

can do this, but you do it

29:30

in a way that doesn't at all

29:32

come across as. Better.

29:35

Or mean spirited like at all.

29:38

It's just funny a i know

29:40

and challenge accepted your com the

29:42

special use you talked a little

29:44

bit about. Being.

29:46

Bullied by the white girls

29:48

in school and I don't

29:50

know if that's has played

29:53

into it, but somehow your

29:55

actual life experiences have given

29:57

you this. Ability

29:59

to. really funny

30:02

about this ridiculous industry

30:04

without being mean, which

30:07

evidenced by the fact that all these models that you

30:09

parody they all follow you and they

30:11

all comment and they love you. What

30:14

is that about you? Is this just who you are?

30:16

Did you have to do work around this? Always,

30:19

always doing work around it. Absolutely.

30:21

I think even when

30:23

I was younger I'd like

30:25

watch situations play out. It's like, well

30:28

you know that girl, like

30:30

a popular girl or something, everyone's listening to

30:32

her more or doing what she says because

30:34

she's popular and I'd always be like, why?

30:36

I don't understand that currency. I have a

30:38

different currency. I

30:40

don't understand why one is better than the

30:43

other and as you get older you realize, oh

30:45

it's not. It's just how we are skewed to

30:48

think. Again, as women within society it's like, well

30:51

you know there's a whole industry built

30:53

around celebrating women who just look good.

30:55

All they do is they look

30:57

good. So they're on the cover of

30:59

magazines, they're on the headboard of big

31:01

companies just because they look good and

31:04

I always found that really interesting. There's

31:06

other qualities like how I look is

31:08

the least interesting thing about me. It

31:10

really is and I look fine. It's

31:13

just a different currency and I

31:15

think it's a currency that isn't

31:17

really looked at with

31:19

respect. With women

31:21

it's like, well it's funny or

31:23

smart or boundary pushing

31:26

is fine as an idea

31:28

but can you be safe and pretty because

31:30

that's just easier for us. And

31:33

so shifting that lens of going,

31:35

we're multi-faceted. There's so many

31:37

different types of

31:39

things to celebrate within women and

31:42

I always say, hate the

31:45

play, I hate the game and that's what it is

31:47

with this. There's a reason why Tom Ford

31:50

wanted to collaborate with me because he gets it,

31:52

he knows that I'm making fun of something that

31:54

he's never made fun of and

31:56

because of that it's quite dangerous. It's

31:59

quite a dangerous The three if you can't make fun of

32:01

it. So. The people

32:03

that. Get it. For

32:05

people that like hit the people have become

32:08

friendly with the top of the game in

32:10

this industry and they're like yeah it's it's

32:12

silly right? I get it still. Has

32:16

the most surprising person that

32:18

you have befriended simply by

32:20

mocking them or didn't expect

32:22

them. To come out of the woodwork of this

32:25

industry and go. On. Your

32:27

person? Obviously Tom Ford. How

32:29

hilarious was that? Club just.

32:32

A I wouldn't be one hundred million hours

32:34

long. Way

32:37

I'm furious. That it's shots and

32:39

a like ever. And he's ruined

32:41

my life now. Every other job

32:43

I don't like now whenever was

32:45

excellent. A bit like he's totally

32:47

ruined me. The most surprising I

32:50

think because. He. Literally

32:52

putting money where his mouth was. You know everyone's like

32:54

we're not doing anyone to these movies and nothing ever

32:56

comes to that. Which. Is of course. Little.

32:59

As conversation we were at some course. And

33:02

then a facilitator that we worked together

33:04

and collaborated and. It was

33:06

the most incredible. Created experience of

33:08

my life. Fit. So

33:11

much it does surprise me that followed me.

33:13

I haven't done a parody of them bit

33:15

old man comments. Maria. Shriver.

33:18

That is surprising and not express it said.

33:21

I know era I'm on my. Life

33:24

isn't like. I'm oddly. That.

33:27

That's my kind of surprising familial

33:29

experience. You have enough for me.

33:31

It never lost the me though when like Viola davis.

33:34

Repost. So comments and like

33:36

my what else we had

33:38

a whoop Know I'd say

33:40

that's ridiculous. Ridiculous. Yes, I

33:42

know it. She is so

33:44

good at curated. Awesome! Content said

33:46

the fact that she's reposting your

33:48

stuff is just like come on

33:50

man to come on You and

33:53

I also have in common. Well.

33:55

At least for me is certainly. A

33:57

bit of an idol in her were.

34:00

And scope of her talents and

34:02

her vision for creation which is

34:04

Tina Fey. Oh Tina I'm hard

34:06

pressed to think some of admire

34:09

more. In terms of she

34:11

just wrote it. If she wanted

34:13

it, she wrote it. And then

34:15

she starred in it and

34:17

then she produced it and

34:19

then she wrote it for

34:21

her friends. It's like she's

34:23

an endless well of how

34:26

literati and creativity and innovation.

34:28

I mean, I just adore.

34:30

Her and you've talked about her to

34:32

what's your take on Tina? I'm

34:35

very similar to you on it's insists that they're

34:37

I have her. Book. Of

34:39

the fact that actually I carry with

34:42

me. Like. My little journal and

34:44

have all like. But. Notes

34:46

in it and in a dog.

34:48

eight pages I just an absolute

34:50

you know bible for me when

34:53

it comes to comedy. And he's

34:55

so smart, like soy sauce and

34:57

so great at making fun of

35:00

themselves. And. That's one

35:02

thing that absolutely resident may because that's what I'll

35:04

have to do. and then. Again

35:06

being and months that the slums when in

35:08

the world. And funny. And

35:11

they intend to go my not there and a

35:13

as you claim producing things running thing, putting yourself

35:15

in and Edmunds a minute off and then coming

35:17

back and just kind of doing what you want

35:20

to be doing. I never had a mom was

35:22

like. It's

35:24

just like I'm aware is she a lot more

35:26

of herself and if I'm watching thought mean that

35:29

produced by ten of laugh at him up as

35:31

I do it I knew it. I

35:33

feel very. Safe.

35:36

With her and I like than am I a

35:38

cool is tainted across it. What good Amy Poehler

35:40

sign all as go back to my Rudolph admired.

35:42

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35:45

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35:47

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35:49

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35:52

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35:55

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35:57

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35:59

On. Like that is the type.

36:01

Of creativity than I am so drawn

36:03

to. I am so and I. I.

36:05

I love this women and I love

36:08

that kind of leading their show. I

36:10

just can only imagine how many young

36:12

girls are looking at those comedy queens

36:14

and kind of going oh my God

36:16

there's a place for. Me: Innocent. Yeah,

36:18

they really lane into women. The let's see

36:20

what what makes women laugh? Cause that's. That's.

36:23

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Let's talk about your family for just a minute

39:35

before I let you go. You've obviously got hot

39:37

husband who everybody is obsessed with as well. You

39:39

have made us be obsessed with all your things.

39:42

And you've got the boys, like

39:45

you've got these men in your life that you live with.

39:48

What are their thoughts on all this? And he

39:50

is such a good sport. You drag him into

39:53

a lot and he is here for it. And

39:55

he is funny and he plays his part like

39:57

right on the nose. I'm

40:00

so tickled by him that he's just like,

40:02

sure, I'll be a part of your shenanigans. And

40:05

so what does he think? What are the boys

40:07

think to? I'm curious because you

40:10

are very notorious at this point. This is, you

40:12

have a lot of attention and

40:14

a lot of people are listening to you

40:16

and watching you and laughing at you

40:19

and following you. And it's weird.

40:21

It can be weird sometimes for the

40:23

normals that live in the house. And

40:26

so I'm wondering how they've done. Yeah,

40:29

I've got a lot of men in my

40:31

house. My husband

40:33

is very, very supportive and he's

40:35

very proud of me. He's

40:37

the one that is like, go to work.

40:39

Like if you, with the

40:42

tour, I'm like, oh no, maybe for this part

40:44

of the tour, you and the boys can come over and we

40:46

can have two days together or I'll try and fly. And he's

40:48

like, just, we're good. Go and

40:50

do what you need to do and then come back

40:52

and then we'll organize like a thing. He

40:55

really is, he's the one that is fantastic

40:57

like that because I'll always just, you know,

40:59

mum guilt at all times going, well, I'm

41:01

horrible because I'm leaving. And

41:03

he's like, do it or don't. Like

41:05

if you want to choose your choice, if

41:07

it's what you want to do, let's do

41:09

it. He's great like that. My boys are

41:11

getting older. So actually, Lou, my oldest asked me

41:13

last night, he said, mum,

41:15

who's more known or who's

41:17

more famous out of you? And he mentioned

41:19

someone else who's an Australian comedian. And

41:22

I went, I

41:25

think me actually, like when it comes to people

41:27

who know me and he went, what? And

41:30

I went, yeah, I think it's me.

41:33

And I said, who cares? It doesn't matter if you know, then

41:35

you backtrack and go, like what lesson am

41:38

I trying to teach here? And

41:40

he's like, oh, I mean,

41:43

you're just my mum. I didn't realize

41:45

that you were, wow, more

41:48

like known than her. And I went,

41:50

yeah, no, eat your dinner. Like, come

41:52

on. So

41:57

true, it's such a funny mix of that.

42:00

their life and just the ordinary

42:02

regular stuff at home where

42:04

you're not that special like

42:06

you're the lady who put dinner on the table.

42:09

And they learn as well like

42:11

we're out and people want to get a photo with me.

42:14

A lot of the time you know people are lovely but

42:16

they're like come on if I'm with the boys like come

42:18

on boys you can jump in and they go no no

42:20

and they don't walk away because I'm like don't have photos

42:22

with my kids ever never have a photo

42:24

with my kid and they even know if someone's like oh

42:26

my god if there's something to me they just kind of

42:28

walk off and I'm like sorry they're gonna cry. Yeah

42:31

totally. Don't worry

42:33

they'll get older and they'll tell

42:35

you later all the things you did

42:37

wrong with your fame I promise. Oh

42:40

I look forward to it. They're kind of telling me

42:43

now. Yeah yeah get excited. At one

42:45

point I told one of my kids who

42:47

had been keeping sort of this

42:49

non-stop verbal running list of my

42:51

grievances against her the way

42:53

I was managing my job and my

42:56

demands and travel and the people and

42:58

I finally just said hey you know what I'd like you to do? I'm

43:01

gonna give you a notebook. I would like you just to write

43:03

it all down put it in the notebook so someday

43:05

I'm just gonna be able to hand this to

43:07

your therapist we're gonna save her a lot of

43:09

time and we'll just hand it over she can

43:12

just read it as her own personal research and

43:14

it's in one place so document it I don't

43:16

want to hear any more about it but you can put it on the

43:18

list and I will make sure to get

43:20

that into the hands of the professionals and I hope you

43:23

can heal. Yeah and if you need to put some time

43:25

aside of when to fill in that journal maybe you can

43:27

do it while you're sitting on the business class flight that

43:29

I paid for. Thank you. Okay last

43:31

little bit here. I'd love

43:33

to hear what you're feeling excited

43:35

about so obviously your tour

43:38

is coming up that's a humongous boulder in the

43:40

river you've got to ride it for

43:42

example. That would be good. The material's

43:44

got to be there so outside

43:46

of that outside of the impending tour

43:48

what else are you looking for too

43:50

or what dragon would you like to

43:52

still slay that you haven't? Well

43:55

as you said the tour is the big one I

43:57

do have some big stuff and this is always very

43:59

annoying for people. but so long as we live.

44:02

I'm doing a little bit of a pivot and

44:04

I've got some big stuff coming in the

44:06

middle of the year which I'm really pumped

44:08

about. It's something that,

44:10

oh, oh

44:13

no, that makes sense. That's how it's

44:15

gonna be received. It's 100% for

44:18

my audience, it's for my ladies, it's for

44:20

my drunk mums that spend time

44:23

to get babysitters and get their girlfriends

44:25

together or just not even mums but

44:27

just the ladies that spend the time

44:29

and the effort to come and see

44:31

my shows, it's for them. So I'm

44:33

really looking forward to this little big

44:36

project that's coming up and you're right,

44:38

it's always got

44:40

things kicking over in my

44:43

brain. I had a meeting with

44:45

my team the other week and I was like, let's all remind

44:48

execs and everyone out there that I'm also

44:50

an actor for hire. I

44:52

don't just want to have to do everything

44:54

from the ground up on my own.

44:56

I don't have the mental capacity for it. So

44:59

it says, Tina's writing a

45:01

sexy script, please let her know that,

45:04

oh, just when I read it. I

45:07

like the idea of attaching

45:09

to excellent projects as well that are already

45:11

kind of doing the thing. I've got a

45:14

few of those that I'm kind of working

45:16

on for the moment. What

45:18

a novel idea just to memorize the lines

45:20

that somebody else wrote. They

45:22

did it, they did the work. And

45:25

someone who's great and has always wanted

45:27

to tell that story and it's like,

45:29

I'm really ready for someone to hand

45:31

me a script and

45:33

a call sheet and I will show up to

45:36

work and I will do that

45:38

job and it will be amazing. I

45:40

love it. It's so

45:43

great, you're amazing. And it's

45:45

so fun. It's just what

45:47

you bring to the world is fun. Most

45:49

of the things online are mean. They're

45:52

mean and they're wild and they're

45:54

polarizing and everything's bonkers and bananas.

45:56

And so fun is

45:59

underrated. Fun matters. Fun

46:01

is healing and

46:04

it's a relief and it's

46:07

good for us and it also brings us

46:09

together. And so it's not a small thing

46:11

when you put on some weird tape around

46:13

your boobs and your big panties and your

46:16

pants around in front of your camera. It's

46:18

not small. It's funny and it serves us

46:20

and we love it and we love you.

46:22

And so thank you for doing it. Thank

46:24

you for just being exactly who you are.

46:27

You're just really gifted and we're just

46:29

lucky. We're lucky to get to like

46:32

be on the other side of that

46:34

camera and get to see you do what

46:36

you do so well. And I'm

46:39

just cheering for you and I hope your tour

46:41

is so amazing and that like maybe you get

46:43

it written with a couple of days to spare.

46:46

That's my wish for you. Oh,

46:48

imagine that. Imagine when I'm flying to America

46:50

on that plane, having a glass of wine.

46:53

Imagine it's written. That's

46:55

what I'm. I like the idea. Yeah. Yeah.

46:59

It's crazy. It's normal.

47:01

But anyway, thank

47:04

you so much for being here and I'm so happy to

47:06

have met you. I love you

47:08

too. I hope you're feeling better. Thank you.

47:10

I feel better now. I

47:12

see my kids right here standing on the porch

47:14

going, what's for dinner? So

47:16

that's that's what's next. That's when that's for

47:19

me. All right. Good. Be jealous. Thank

47:22

you. All

47:34

right, you guys. She's as good as

47:36

gold. I don't know how many times I have to

47:38

say it to you, but if you do not already

47:40

follow Celeste today is your day. You

47:43

will fix it. Thank me later.

47:45

She is every time

47:47

her stuff pops up in my feed. I am

47:49

so happy about it. She

47:51

is just so enjoyable and unique

47:54

and original and I love

47:57

to have her on the show today. All right, you guys. more

48:00

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48:02

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48:07

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48:09

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48:11

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48:13

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48:16

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