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and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the

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1:52

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two friends who like to talk a lot

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about serums. And

2:01

welcome to my last

2:03

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2:06

asking that like a question, but it's the truth. It

2:11

is the truth. We're

2:13

here. We're here, we're doing

2:15

it. Wow, I have

2:18

a lot of feelings. Yeah, and

2:20

we talk about a lot of them on this

2:23

episode because we talked to Sami. We

2:25

talked to Sami, our producer

2:27

who has been with the

2:29

show almost as long as

2:32

we have been with the show. Yeah,

2:36

we, a friend

2:39

recommended Sami to you, right? Like

2:41

you, yes. You

2:44

were like, I said to you, do you

2:46

want to start a podcast? You were like, yes, I'm on it.

2:48

And then you were like, we need a producer. My friend says

2:50

we should meet with this person. Is

2:53

that right? Yeah, that one. Yes,

2:55

that is how. And then we met at a coffee shop.

2:59

And Sami walked in with

3:01

a helmet under their arm. And

3:04

I was like, well, this person's cooler than me

3:06

and will always be cooler than me. And

3:09

the rest is history. The rest is

3:12

history. So, but you know, that was more

3:14

than six years ago and a lot

3:16

has changed in Sami's life. Yeah.

3:20

A lot of change in our lives. Like, there's just

3:22

2017 that we met Sami. Yeah.

3:27

Well, Kate, I think we should just get

3:29

right into our conversation with Sami because

3:31

we had

3:34

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3:37

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4:07

here is Sami. Hi

4:09

Sami. Hi

4:12

Sami. Hello Dory.

4:14

How's it going? Welcome to the

4:16

pod. Thank you so much. Anything

4:18

new? Nope.

4:21

Any news to tell me? Everything's

4:25

the same. Very good. How

4:28

is everyone? Well,

4:30

I have COVID. I

4:35

mean, what else is new in 2024, right? True.

4:41

I mean, yeah, but we

4:43

didn't want you to have COVID. Yeah, we

4:45

did. You know, I didn't either, but

4:47

I did have this feeling of like, it's coming for

4:50

me. It's been two years since the last time I

4:52

had it. Oh really? Well, I just feel like

4:54

eventually it's going to get you, you know? Sure.

4:57

Yeah. We're all going

4:59

to keep getting this. So I've made

5:02

it two years, which seems pretty, pretty

5:05

like a pretty solid run. Yeah.

5:09

Totally. Wow. I

5:11

can't believe that was two years ago. Two years. I

5:13

know. And I also now measure my life

5:16

in COVID. That's an

5:18

updated lyric to the Rent

5:20

song. But you know what I mean?

5:22

Like you're like, oh, this, the last time I had COVID, it

5:24

was this time and this was what was

5:26

going on. I don't know.

5:29

This will be my new COVID marker anyway, but I'm feeling okay.

5:33

I'm just kind of tired and run down. Did you

5:35

know like right away when, when you had COVID, you're

5:37

like, this is, this is kind of,

5:40

I don't know if anybody else feels this, but

5:42

I feel like I can feel the COVID turn

5:46

on inside my body. Whoa. I

5:48

felt it. The first time I had the first time I

5:50

got COVID, it felt like my

5:52

veins were on fire. Like

5:54

I felt like a weird. And it's different

5:57

than when you get a cold. or

6:00

the flu and I felt it at night,

6:04

the night before I tested positive and I tested and I

6:06

was negative, but then of course like

6:08

eight hours later I was positive. But yeah, I felt

6:10

this, it's almost like it shuts, you can feel

6:13

your body being like, whoa-oh. Yeah,

6:15

yeah, she feels different. Yeah,

6:17

it's such a bizarre virus

6:20

anyway, but I mean, enough

6:22

about COVID, we've been talking about it for four years.

6:25

That's our special guest today, right? Today

6:28

is K-COVID. And you

6:30

know what's so funny? This is not funny, but the

6:32

new variant is called Flirt. What?

6:35

Also, I didn't really put

6:38

any thought into the fact that they're still naming variants.

6:40

I thought they were like, oh yeah, that's just happening.

6:43

Flirt, Flirt, it's called

6:45

Flirt. Like now even the,

6:48

which also kind of like

6:50

reduces it to something cute, which it's not.

6:52

Like it's still a dangerous illness

6:54

and calling it the Flirt variant just to

6:56

me, I'm like, ugh, I can't. Anyway,

6:59

that's what I think I have. I think I

7:01

have Flirt. Ah, you came

7:03

down with the Flirts today, okay. I got the

7:05

Flirts. Well,

7:08

same thing. You are my final podcast guest. I'm

7:16

honored and also so shocked that

7:18

you would waste it on me. What?

7:20

Same thing. Ah

7:23

man. I'm honored. Wait, truly. I

7:26

feel like this is a very nice full

7:28

circle experience in terms of the Forever 35

7:30

iteration with Kate and Dory. True.

7:34

Because you were essentially the

7:37

next person we went to after we were

7:39

like, let's do a podcast. That's

7:41

true, that's true. We went to you. Circle

7:45

is now shut. Now we can

7:47

never leave. Sorry, Kate. Right? It

7:50

does feel like we're closing the

7:52

lid on that box, which is very nice.

7:54

Thank you for being our guest today, Sam.

7:56

Thank you for having me. I

7:58

appreciate it. Do

8:01

you want to answer a question you've answered many times before

8:03

as a person who's been a guest on this podcast? Yes,

8:06

of course. A lot. And

8:08

that question is, what is your current self care

8:10

practice? My current self

8:12

care practice. It's

8:14

gotten kind of medical,

8:17

I guess. I have tendonitis

8:19

in both of my Achilles

8:22

heels. Oh, woof. Which

8:25

is the biggest bummer

8:28

ever because walking is

8:30

difficult. Oh my god. So

8:34

my self care is KT taping

8:37

my ankles and

8:41

soaking my feet in

8:43

a collapsible little

8:45

foot tub. You're

8:49

so middle aged now. I know. When

8:51

you started with us, you were such a young sprite. You

8:57

were in your 20s. I was in my

8:59

20s, I was zooming around on the scooter. Now

9:02

I can't walk. I'm

9:04

soaking your feet in

9:07

a collapsible. In a collapsible. Yeah,

9:10

but I had to return once

9:12

because the bubbles feature wasn't working.

9:14

And it's not a remarkable bubbles

9:16

feature, but I was like, I

9:19

need this rumbling bubble feature. Can

9:21

we pause for a second? Because

9:23

when I was having all those issues with

9:25

my toes, all these

9:28

gross issues, sorry, this is like, this

9:30

has turned into like the middle aged

9:33

gross body conversation. We're here, baby. But

9:37

I also had to soak my feet

9:40

and I never, I always looked at those little

9:42

foot tubs and I was like, eh,

9:44

I can just soak them in like a plastic

9:46

container. They seem like a waste

9:49

of money, but now you're making me think

9:51

maybe I should have gotten the foot spa.

9:53

Would you recommend, I guess is my question.

9:57

Oh gosh, maybe this is

9:59

prying. How big

10:01

are your feet? They're enormous.

10:04

Okay. I

10:06

would say maybe

10:09

skip it. So my feet

10:12

are a

10:15

European 41. So that's like, I

10:18

think 10 and a half. That's the

10:20

same size as me. Yeah. And

10:22

so the experience isn't as

10:24

luxurious, right? Because when you're,

10:27

and maybe you're different, but when my feet are in the water,

10:29

I want to like, like, tap around and have a good time.

10:32

But it really is just a straightforward,

10:35

like, your feet are here. Your feet barely fit in the,

10:37

in the, your wedge in them in. Yeah.

10:41

I mean, I'm not like, you know, in Cinderella when

10:43

the stepsisters are trying to put their feet in the

10:45

glass. It's not like that. They feed comfortably. But

10:50

they have, it has like texture for

10:52

massaging your own feet, but I can

10:54

only go like this for, like this.

10:56

This is like, who is this

10:59

for? Tiny little darling feet. So

11:01

maybe skip it. I

11:03

wonder if there's like an XL size tub. Because

11:05

I have a size 42 European foot.

11:08

Oh yeah. There's gotta be. We

11:10

just all have such big feet. Um,

11:12

wait. And my second question. Yes.

11:16

Yes, I do. Big shoes. I

11:20

have, I have been dealing

11:22

with tendonitis in my arm,

11:24

penicel bow. So

11:27

I'm right there with you with the

11:29

like middle aged ailments. Do you know

11:31

how you developed the tendonitis in your,

11:33

in your, in your heels? Yeah.

11:36

So I have flat

11:39

feet. I have, so

11:43

it's all connected, right? So I have the

11:45

flat feet and then I genetically have like,

11:47

knock knees a little bit. So my feet

11:49

are flat and then they're turned in a

11:51

little bit. And then I have an in

11:55

a partial tear in both the

11:57

ACL and MCL in my left leg.

12:00

And so my, my little

12:03

flappers are not great.

12:05

And then I started trying

12:08

to, like, run a little bit more.

12:12

And then also, when I moved

12:14

to New York, I started wearing boots, and

12:17

they're heavy, turns out. And so with

12:20

the boots, and the

12:22

running and not properly stretching,

12:24

my Achilles tendons are like,

12:27

you're a fool. Time

12:29

to feel your age, buddy. So here

12:31

we are. Wow. Yeah,

12:34

age comes for us all. And

12:36

fast. And fast. I've

12:39

had tendonitis in my Achilles,

12:41

and it's extremely painful. I'm sorry, Sammy.

12:43

I'm really, yeah. And a

12:46

tendonitis is really hard to

12:49

treat. Like, there's kind of

12:51

nothing, there's nothing you can really

12:53

do except like stretch and take

12:55

care of yourself. Yeah, it's basically

12:58

like, don't move it so it can heal

13:00

or get surgery.

13:02

I don't, I don't

13:04

really want either of those are options.

13:06

Mobile, right. It's like, don't

13:08

walk for six weeks or get

13:10

surgery and then don't walk for six

13:13

weeks. Okay, sure.

13:16

Great. Sorry.

13:20

Fine. We'll figure it out. I'm

13:22

soaking my feet. The fact

13:24

that you are soaking your feet in a little tub is really

13:26

charming me. I'm

13:29

glad. I'm glad I have salt for it.

13:31

Is it warm? It has a pomace stone.

13:33

Yeah, so it goes, it has like a

13:37

room temperature, medium temperature, and then like

13:39

a hot water. So you can sit

13:41

in there for a while. Oh, yeah.

13:45

It's fun. I

13:47

know. Sounds nice. I resend

13:49

my comment. Maybe you should get one. But

13:51

for one, it's like XL. You can also

13:54

like do you keep it under your desk

13:56

while you're working? Or is it kind of

13:58

like you go to watch TV? at

14:00

the end of the day and you soak or

14:02

like are you here like recording a podcast soaking

14:04

your feet? What

14:07

if I tilt with my camera and I'm soaking them right now? I

14:10

wouldn't respect that. I

14:13

don't do it in my room but I'll

14:15

go sit outside, not outside, in the

14:17

living room and soak my feet like while I'm

14:19

working or while I'm watching like television or something.

14:24

Well welcome to your mid-30s. Yeah I hate

14:26

it. Do you really

14:29

hate it or do you see is it is this just

14:31

one thing that bothers you but otherwise it's okay?

14:34

I mean otherwise it's okay. I think

14:36

the whole me moving to New York

14:40

thing and this is like I'm

14:43

experiencing like I don't know

14:45

like mid-20s stuff like oh I

14:47

have to figure out a new

14:49

job situation and I don't have any

14:51

friends and I don't know what's like

14:54

what that's like so I

14:56

think that all of my issues aren't

14:58

actually tied to how old I am. It

15:01

was more the random

15:03

thought to move to New York all

15:05

of a sudden. Okay

15:09

wait this is interesting. You mean like

15:11

the things that you're experiencing are

15:14

a result of moving

15:16

to a new city that you've never lived in

15:18

before that's very different from Los Angeles and trying

15:21

to rebuild a community that sort of thing that's

15:23

kind of what you're what the challenges

15:25

are right now for you? Yeah that's the

15:27

yeah those are the things that like are

15:30

bugging me or bothering me I guess. Are

15:33

you feeling like you want to stay

15:35

in New York? Is this is

15:38

this kind of where you're deciding to

15:40

put down roots or are you thinking

15:42

that it might just be a pit stop

15:46

on the longer like road of your life? I

15:49

would like to stay in New York for a

15:52

long time. I really I really like

15:54

it here and there's like

15:56

a silver lining so I got my hours

16:00

greatly reduced at the job that

16:02

I had.

16:04

So, but while I was working

16:07

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16:10

working New York hours in

16:12

the morning and then closing

16:14

out LA. So I was

16:17

working like nine to nine every day,

16:21

which was a really huge bummer

16:23

and I didn't have any free time.

16:25

And now that I have

16:28

kind of a Lucy freelance schedule

16:30

again, I'm able to actually

16:32

go out and like experience New York a

16:34

little bit more. And you know what I've

16:36

been experiencing is really lovely. Yeah.

16:39

I do, I do like it out here. Also

16:41

it's like it's the best season

16:44

in New York right now. Oh,

16:46

you betcha. We went to the

16:48

Botanic Gardens to see the cherry

16:50

blossoms. Oh,

16:52

the tulips, are the tulips out?

16:55

I think so. The tulips are out. Yeah,

16:59

that's really nice. Yeah,

17:01

that's one thing that I, having

17:04

seasons, like actual

17:06

seasons, I really, I really

17:08

appreciate it so much. And I didn't

17:10

know that that would be something that

17:14

really got me. Yeah.

17:17

And you like, I, you know,

17:19

I find that the Northeast, especially, I

17:21

mean, I guess anywhere

17:23

with like really four seasons, but like

17:25

they really know how to do summer

17:27

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17:29

like fleeting. And so they like

17:32

really do it up. Whereas in LA, it's

17:35

like, it's hotter, but it's

17:37

just like a little hotter than it normally is.

17:39

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17:42

you don't get the same sort

17:44

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17:47

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22:33

event with my friend Michael

22:36

Classic in

22:38

December of 20 not 2023 or

22:40

2022 one of those years

22:46

what's time? And it

22:48

really was only I don't know five

22:51

minutes before I was like hooked in

22:53

because there's just going

22:55

to any live event is so fun.

22:57

There's an energy there that you get

22:59

swept up in and then with wrestling

23:01

it's just it's just

23:04

wild. I don't know if either of you have have made

23:06

it out to a wrestling event but

23:09

there's just there's something different about it

23:11

that is feels really special and so

23:13

it didn't take long for me to

23:16

really get into it. And then in my obsession

23:20

I was talking to my mom

23:22

about it and she said that

23:24

when she was courting

23:26

my dad or when my dad was

23:28

courting her she would steal money from

23:31

the register at work to take

23:33

him to wrestling. So

23:35

it was kind of like in in me

23:39

like a little Sammy Egg was floating

23:41

around watching wrestling while my my parents

23:43

went in the Philippines. Well your parents

23:45

were courting each other. Yeah. Yeah.

23:48

So it almost feels like a birthright. Whoa.

23:50

Yeah. I've not been to

23:53

a wrestling

23:59

event but But my husband, as

24:01

you know, Sammy is also very

24:04

into wrestling. So I have like

24:06

watched kind of just

24:08

like biophthosis. I've like watched

24:10

a lot of wrestling in the last few

24:12

months. Yeah, maybe.

24:15

And it's how are you feeling it? It's

24:17

very interesting. Sure. It's,

24:20

it's like, you

24:22

know, he's like always trying to tell

24:24

me the like the storylines and what

24:27

are they called? The lineage? Oh,

24:31

yeah, like the bloodline. Yeah, bloodlines. That's it.

24:34

Bloodlines. Like, I don't

24:36

know. There's just like a lot happening

24:38

all the time. And I'm always like,

24:40

whoa, this is like, like the fandom

24:42

of wrestling is very intense. And

24:45

yeah, the intricacies of it,

24:48

like rival any other sort

24:51

of complicated fandom. Like I see, I

24:53

see how people who are like maybe

24:55

into like Marvel are also into wrestling

24:58

because it has similar sorts of like

25:00

characters and storylines. And it's

25:03

a whole universe. Yeah,

25:05

I'm like people come back from the

25:08

past and like, yeah, yeah, it's very

25:10

referential. Well, that's why we started the

25:12

podcast. Me and Michael started the podcast.

25:15

Wrestling Academy is to kind of

25:17

break down wrestling and make it

25:19

a little less intimidating for someone who's

25:21

new or curious or even, you know,

25:23

try to bring the spark back into

25:26

people who have been wrestling fans, but

25:28

like kind of lapsed their interests as

25:30

laughs because it goes through ebbs and

25:32

flows and stuff of like interest and

25:35

like storylines and whatever. So

25:38

yeah, it's it's

25:41

been a ride. And I'm

25:44

truly so

25:46

happy that Michael

25:48

took me to that show because there

25:51

before wrestling, there really wasn't anything that like

25:54

got me this good. You know what I mean? And

25:57

totally. I realized when

25:59

so We went to WrestleMania

26:01

in Philadelphia and

26:04

being there was like

26:08

this wild feeling that I

26:10

thought I would feel

26:14

super like welcome

26:16

in like Comic Con or whatever

26:18

because I'm a geeky

26:21

dork guy. But

26:25

like there's, I

26:27

really felt like clicked in WrestleMania

26:30

like the two days it was just so

26:34

great and then there are other

26:37

like independent wrestling promotions that I

26:39

go see and it's just that

26:41

same like energy. It's because

26:43

you know everybody talks

26:45

about all wrestling is like fake

26:48

or whatever but it's like yes

26:52

of course, of course I don't want to actually

26:54

see these guys like flip over and hurt each

26:56

other and break each other's bones like that's just

26:58

not, that's not interesting to me. I

27:00

don't want to watch UFC and I don't but there's

27:03

a thing with wrestling that

27:05

you kind of have to meet it where it

27:07

is you know and so when

27:09

everybody meets something where

27:12

it is in like a

27:14

collective it's just so much easier

27:16

to fall into the group thought of

27:18

everything and then you know the spectacle

27:20

and then I kind of like

27:22

compared it to a little bit like

27:27

peekaboo because there's like there's a

27:29

build up and then what's going to happen?

27:31

I don't know you know what I mean?

27:35

So yeah if you want to play peekaboo with

27:39

people scantily clad and throwing

27:41

each other around go watch

27:44

some wrestling. It

27:47

kind of reminds me of a fish concert. Sure.

27:51

There's like a, you

27:53

know it's kind of like any fandom there's like the

27:55

inside jokes and the things that you

27:57

know kind of insider things that only the true fans on

27:59

TV. understand and there's like recurring bits that

28:01

keep you coming back and make you feel

28:03

a part of a community. I

28:07

think there are certain characteristics of

28:09

these kind of large fandoms that are similar

28:11

across the board, no matter what

28:13

it is being

28:16

celebrated. I

28:18

find it intriguing. Yeah,

28:20

it's just, I don't know, big fandoms

28:22

are tricky, right? Because you don't want

28:24

it, I don't know,

28:27

never mind, I lost my thought. No, big

28:29

fandoms are tricky, I mean period. There's, you

28:31

know, there's this weird ups and downs with

28:33

every fandom. Yeah, true,

28:35

true. Doreen,

28:38

would you say you're in a fandom? No.

28:44

I feel like you're more in like a, like

28:46

I don't know what you would call, you are in

28:48

like communities. I feel like

28:51

you're in a mahjong, like I don't, is there

28:53

a mahjong fandom? Maybe not, but I do feel

28:55

like you are an active. Interesting.

28:57

In a community. Yeah,

28:59

I am. And

29:02

tennis. But like I'm

29:04

not, you know, I don't watch like a

29:06

ton of professional tennis and I'm not like

29:09

obsessed with all the stars of professional

29:12

tennis. Like I'm interested and I kind

29:14

of follow it but I'm not like

29:18

crazed about it. But I do want to play

29:20

tennis all the time. Hmm.

29:23

Hmm. Is there anything

29:25

that like if tickets

29:27

popped up, like, and you

29:29

had to, you immediately go well, I

29:31

gotta go, I gotta go. Or like

29:34

you get to the checkout and you're like, wait, I

29:36

need to check my schedule with everything but you get

29:38

to a point where you're like, I need

29:41

this right away, like a reflex almost. I

29:44

mean, there, like, there have definitely been some

29:46

concerts where I've like felt like that

29:48

but it's not

29:50

like I haven't seen there's not one

29:52

band I've seen more

29:55

than probably three

29:58

or four times. Like

30:01

I'm trying to think if there's anyone I've seen.

30:04

Okay, let's say five times, but even

30:07

that, that feels high. Like I don't

30:09

know that there's a band or a

30:11

musician that I've seen. Like

30:14

I've seen Taylor Swift three

30:16

times. Huge. I've

30:19

seen, I don't know, it's like a real range.

30:21

Like I've seen Taylor Swift three times, I've seen,

30:23

I think I've seen Belle and Sebastian three times.

30:25

Oh, cool. I

30:28

really contain multitudes, Sammy. I mean,

30:31

you're so impressive. I'm so

30:33

impressive. But

30:36

yeah, I mean, like lately I just,

30:38

concerts have gotten so expensive. Sure.

30:41

Yeah. I like, sometimes I

30:43

see concerts and I'm just like, well, that's

30:46

not happening. But

30:49

Kay and I are actually going to see the

30:51

Indigo Girls in September. Oh my. We

30:54

are. That's so nice. And

30:57

I've never seen them live. What? Yeah.

31:00

I've somehow missed them. I've

31:02

seen like so many other icons,

31:06

Ani, Sarah

31:08

McLaughlin, Tori, I've seen them

31:10

all. I've seen the

31:12

full like white feminist icons of 90s

31:14

music. The full

31:16

white feminist, Lillis Fair music

31:18

pantheon. I have seen except for

31:20

the Indigo Girls. So,

31:23

you know, dislike it. Sammy,

31:26

have you ever seen the Indigo Girls? Are you an

31:28

Indigo Girls person? No,

31:30

unfortunately, I don't know if I could name a

31:32

song of the Indigo Girls off the top of

31:34

my head. We should make you a

31:36

mix. I would love that,

31:38

actually. I

31:40

have so many blind spots culturally that

31:42

it is very

31:45

embarrassing. I don't know anything. Like,

31:47

what is an example? I mean, we all do, right? Like,

31:49

we all have them. I

31:52

mean, just like being a queer person, I

31:55

am dating somebody who is very

31:57

much in the culture. know,

32:00

I, she has to like, step me

32:02

through things a lot. Because

32:04

I just feel like, you know, I just, I

32:06

don't know, I was just not

32:08

immersed into culture

32:12

much. And then music, it was

32:14

my parents, who was like,

32:18

Rat Pack and doo wop and

32:20

then oddly, the black eyed

32:22

peas and Snoop Dogg from my mom. And

32:25

then movies, I kind of got

32:27

like, some

32:30

Lucasfilm stuff from my parents. And then I

32:33

was going off with my brother

32:35

who showed me like,

32:37

Requiem for a Dream and like weird stuff. So it's

32:39

always in like, very niche,

32:41

niche things, but then the

32:44

like, larger culture that everybody's

32:46

tuned into. Nah, not

32:48

a lick of it. Sammy, how

32:50

do you feel that you've changed over

32:53

the six and a half years that we've been

32:55

working together? Oh, my goodness. As

32:59

a person inside and out? What

33:01

has changed about you? And why don't

33:04

we also ask what's, what do

33:06

you feel is a consistent quality that you

33:08

find as the years pass?

33:12

You retain? So

33:16

what I've retained? Who

33:19

are you still? Still

33:22

mostly a rambunctious little

33:25

guy. I like the goofy stuff.

33:28

What has changed? Oh, man, I think

33:30

I've been humbled by the world quite

33:32

a bit in between these six and

33:34

a half years. But I've also had

33:36

an easy time. I don't

33:43

know off the top of my head if I could

33:45

list it all out. How have you changed, Kate? Oh,

33:50

how have I changed? I

33:52

think I am more aware

33:55

of like, what makes

33:59

me like what the working

34:01

operation is of myself as a

34:04

person and like what's needed

34:06

to make the trains run on time. I have

34:09

a better understanding of myself and I think a better

34:12

understanding of like what I

34:14

need in order to feel okay. I

34:17

think I've learned, I think doing this podcast

34:19

like I've definitely, I think part of this

34:21

is a lot of like learning from Dory in

34:23

a way like as a kind

34:25

of modeling. No seriously Dory, I mean we've talked about

34:27

this so many times but I really do think like I

34:31

am, I feel

34:33

like I can make harder decisions

34:36

or like have harder conversations or

34:39

not always just say yes to everything because that

34:41

seems like the easiest thing to do

34:43

or the thing that'll make everybody happy. Those are

34:45

all things I still struggle with but I've definitely

34:48

gotten more comfortable with those

34:50

things I

34:52

think in doing, I think the

34:55

influence of working on this show that's

34:58

something that's changed about me for sure. Yeah,

35:01

I think that working with you two

35:03

has definitely helped me step

35:06

into myself for sure. No,

35:08

I'm gonna start crying. It's

35:10

gonna come, it's gonna happen. But

35:12

yeah, I agree. There's something

35:16

of, I mean you guys are

35:19

just powerful gals in your own different ways

35:21

and so it was easy to like grow

35:24

from that. Do you feel

35:26

powerful Dory? I don't think I've ever

35:28

described myself as feeling like I have like powerful

35:30

but that's nice to hear somebody else say that.

35:33

Thank you. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't think

35:35

that's a word I would use to describe

35:37

myself so it's like it's interesting to hear

35:39

someone else describe

35:41

that, like use that

35:44

word to describe me. Well

35:47

start using it because you

35:49

guys are. Okay, okay. Little

35:51

lighthouses. Come on man. Little

35:53

lighthouses. Oh, that's nice. I

35:55

mean I just feel like you know you

35:57

wouldn't be as like listenable if you were.

36:00

weren't powerful, you know what I mean? Look

36:03

at the science, you guys. Is there science

36:05

about this? I mean, just

36:07

your downloads. OK. We

36:10

do have numbers to back things up. That is true.

36:13

We do have actual data points. But

36:15

yes, I've never, I don't think I've ever used

36:17

the word powerful to describe me. So I'm

36:20

intrigued by that. Yeah, I guess

36:22

when I hear you use the

36:25

word powerful in this context, I

36:27

think strong, not necessarily

36:29

we are super

36:32

influential or anything.

36:35

But I mean, maybe

36:37

you mean that also. Well, but

36:40

here's maybe I think what Doreen and I are both like, huh?

36:43

Is I think it's interesting to hear

36:46

somebody else's perception of you. Oh,

36:48

sure. And in

36:51

kind of a professional slash friendship

36:53

way, because I think obviously we're

36:56

friends and we also work together. That's

36:59

just that is I think that's actually

37:01

what's been interesting about doing

37:03

Forever 35 is

37:06

a lot of getting

37:09

feedback about myself or about the work

37:11

that we do that was I

37:14

never knew or I never saw or never

37:18

realized. And for the most part,

37:20

that's extremely empowering

37:23

and gratifying. I

37:25

think you learn about yourself when

37:27

you create something that people consume.

37:31

Yeah, I guess I

37:33

don't know. But I mean, that's just what it felt

37:35

like to me is when people say something and they're

37:37

like, I never have thought about myself or this show

37:39

or what we make in that way. And it's always

37:42

kind of interesting to hear that, you

37:44

know, the positive and the negative. Sure,

37:48

sure. I can go both

37:50

ways. You're doing me.

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40:08

Sammy, what is like what's next what's

40:10

next for you? What do you feel

40:12

like on the horizon in

40:14

the world of spam? So

40:20

I have the

40:22

opportunity to kind of do

40:25

less podcasting be

40:27

seen less as a podcast

40:30

person, as far as like behind the

40:32

scenes. And so I'm doing

40:34

a lot of sound mixing on

40:37

set, which for the uninitiated is like

40:40

a person who's, you know, putting mics

40:42

up and running that sound

40:44

during productions. And so

40:47

that's been really, really fun. But I

40:49

think deep down inside, and

40:51

not even that deep inside, I want

40:53

to be able to tour the

40:56

country with my dumb ass

40:58

podcast, I think that that would be

41:01

super fun. I think that the

41:03

I think what it really

41:05

is is I just really love a

41:08

live show. And now I have the

41:10

opportunity to put one on and to

41:12

kind of conduct the the energy of

41:14

a room. And so I'm excited

41:18

to continue to achieve

41:20

that goal. Okay,

41:25

I feel like that's very full circle. Because when we

41:28

first started, you were producing Oscar show,

41:30

like her live shows,

41:33

and a TV and like a TV show, like

41:35

you were doing a lot of producing of live

41:37

stuff. And I also think like,

41:41

in terms of like, what is your friend

41:43

and peer seeing you I feel like Sammy

41:46

the forward facing person is emerging.

41:49

Do you know what I mean? Like

41:51

you've been a behind the scenes podcast

41:53

person for so long, and you can do

41:55

that so well. But I do feel

41:57

like as a as a commentator as

41:59

a personality as an

42:01

entertainer even. Yeah. I

42:04

feel like there is something there. And not

42:07

enough like you're a very genuine person. And I think

42:09

that comes across in everything that you do. And I

42:11

just feel like the world's ready

42:13

for it. Oh, they

42:16

ain't waiting for this, baby. Yeah, thank you. I

42:18

appreciate that. And I, I agree.

42:20

I think that there's a new

42:23

it's a Sammy v.35. That's coming

42:25

out. Okay,

42:28

not for you for 35. Yeah.

42:30

Yeah, I'm excited. I think it's

42:36

good. I think I really was kind

42:38

of sitting on my laurels in LA. And that

42:40

was a bit of

42:43

why I wanted to move

42:46

is that I was

42:48

sitting in my living room in

42:51

LA, kind of taking

42:54

stock of my life. And

42:56

it dawned on me a

42:58

little bit that I could just

43:00

be doing that for ever.

43:03

And I didn't want to

43:07

just be doing what I was doing. So

43:11

I moved and then everything changed a

43:13

lot. So

43:15

yeah, I know when I kind of like, did

43:17

it shock your system a little bit moving like it kind

43:20

of forced you out of your comfort zone in a way, and

43:22

kind of pushed you out in all different

43:25

areas of your life. Yeah,

43:27

I kind of played it

43:29

cool, like nothing, like nothing

43:32

was going nothing was gonna

43:34

change or be hard. I think

43:38

throughout the entire movie, I was saying it's

43:40

just a lateral move. It's not really gonna

43:42

change a lot. But then, like, looking

43:45

back, because this is, we

43:48

are five days away from my one

43:50

year anniversary. Wow. I

43:53

know, right? wild.

43:55

I'm just taking a look

43:58

back at what has happened

44:00

in that year, like yeah a lot has

44:03

a lot has changed despite

44:05

me being like, oh it's

44:07

a lateral move, like a

44:09

lot. Yeah, everything changed. You

44:13

know it's interesting because I feel like I also

44:15

when I moved from New York to LA,

44:17

I also felt like that was a very like

44:20

that that move made a big impact on me

44:22

and I felt like I had a shift in

44:24

perspective and that the change in location was like

44:27

very significant.

44:30

But I feel like there's also a school of thought that's

44:32

like when you like and

44:35

I've heard people who are in like 12-step programs

44:37

talk about this that like you can't

44:39

like outrun your problems kind

44:41

of like just because you

44:43

move you're still the same person like and if

44:45

you think moving is going to be the thing

44:48

that like magically makes everything

44:50

better than you're not actually like dealing

44:52

with your shit. So

44:54

it's like interesting because I had a similar

44:56

experience to you where I did feel not

44:58

like it solved everything but like it

45:01

was like a jolt that

45:03

I needed. Yeah and so I do think that

45:07

sometimes like a like a shift

45:09

in perspective, a shift in location

45:11

like can be a really

45:14

significant catalyst for change which is not

45:16

to say that like of

45:18

course like everything is perfect after that

45:20

but I don't know. It's

45:22

like it's nice to hear that you like

45:24

you felt sort of stagnant here and you

45:27

knew that going to New York

45:29

was gonna kind of jolt

45:31

you out of that and it has. Yeah totally.

45:36

I think it's I mean I think

45:40

sometimes you have to do those big make

45:42

those big moves. Yeah. It's like

45:45

the risk is the you know it's high

45:47

risk high reward but ultimately

45:50

ultimately I think you get something out of any sort of

45:52

kind of big move

45:54

out of your comfort zone you know you

45:56

I think you always get some sort of

45:58

clarity. Yeah,

46:01

it's like that hindsight is 2020 thing

46:03

which is a bummer

46:06

that it's real. Exactly. It's real. Like

46:08

dang it. You're right. That is one

46:10

of the most annoying truths in the

46:12

world. Yeah. So

46:15

simple. Sammy,

46:19

has your skincare practice changed at

46:22

all? Did you move to New

46:24

York and were you like, oh, I'm

46:26

going to try these new New York-y skincare

46:28

products? Do you use

46:30

anything aside from your foot bath? Can I

46:33

take care of yourself? Can

46:35

I tell you guys something? Obviously. Do

46:38

you remember that Tasha stuff that

46:40

came with your book? Yes.

46:44

I still have some of that. Do you really?

46:47

Yeah. I feel like the

46:49

face cream, I still

46:52

have the products that were sent out. I

46:54

haven't used it all. Oh my gosh. The

46:57

face cream has finally reached the bottom

46:59

of it because I

47:02

think my roommate has been sneaking into my bathroom.

47:05

I haven't. What? Or

47:08

somebody. Somebody else. But

47:12

I did use

47:14

the lip mask that came with

47:16

it. Love the lip mask. It's

47:18

really nice. It's really nice. I'm

47:22

washing my face with something

47:25

that's not CeraVe. The CeraVe

47:27

is a backup. And then

47:29

I'm using the gel. I

47:32

think it's gel CeraVe moisturizer

47:35

with SPF in

47:37

it as well. Can

47:39

I ask a question about styling short hair? Yes.

47:43

Do you have products do you use? Because

47:45

you always have a nice hold. I

47:48

feel like you have a good flip and a good hold in

47:50

your hair. What do you put in? Well

47:54

here's what's going to shock you. I

47:57

just got a haircut that I

47:59

fully changed. where my part

48:01

is. Whoa. Okay.

48:04

Where was it now? Is it on the

48:06

other side? No,

48:08

so it was, well, maybe

48:11

you'll see it better with this off. Oh yeah,

48:13

I can actually see it. Now we don't have

48:15

headphones on, I can see your haircut. Oh,

48:17

look at that, it's real short in the back. Sammy,

48:20

this is cute, I like your haircut. Thank

48:23

you. But my part was

48:25

over here. And

48:27

then last

48:29

week I moved it over. And

48:32

so everything is short right now in regrowth,

48:34

in a regrowth period. So

48:38

to answer your question,

48:40

Kate, I use powder.

48:44

It's not like, it's not

48:46

dry shampoo, but it's powder

48:48

that kind of holds your hair. And

48:51

then something that I've been doing for so long

48:53

that I'm not sure is good for your hair

48:55

at all is I have a, because my hair

48:58

is super straight and kind

49:00

of fine, not fine, I think

49:02

fine. But

49:05

I use a hair straightener to give it

49:07

some body. So

49:09

this is manufactured by

49:12

a hair straightener and also this too,

49:14

the hair straightener. I

49:17

see, okay, so your flip, the

49:19

kind of flip up that your

49:22

hair does, you're bending it with

49:24

a straightener. Oh

49:26

man, everybody has a secret. I

49:28

would have never guessed that, I just thought that was your natural, natural

49:31

cool pattern or something. What a handsome cloth,

49:34

I wish, no. My hair is so boring

49:36

and flat. It's like when I don't do

49:38

my hair, it's just, it's a

49:40

real bummer. Okay,

49:42

how did you figure out how to do that? And

49:44

sorry, and then we can wrap up, but this is

49:47

like an eternal question I have. Like I didn't know

49:49

that hair straighteners were even a thing until

49:51

I was in my 20s. Did

49:53

you watch a video? Your parents teach,

49:55

like who taught you to do your hair? Nobody

49:59

taught me to do hair. do anything. I don't remember

50:01

how this happened. I think,

50:04

gosh, I

50:07

started using a hair straightener, maybe

50:10

junior or senior year of high school

50:12

when I got my hair super short. And then

50:14

I started getting jealous

50:16

of people with wavy or

50:18

curly hair, because I wanted

50:21

that shape. I wanted that

50:23

interesting unpredictability of wavy or

50:25

curly hair. And my mom

50:27

had hair curlers. Oh, this is strange.

50:32

I just remember that my

50:34

mom had us get perms. Did

50:36

I have this realization the last time I was

50:38

on the podcast? I feel like this is something

50:40

that happened before. But my mom would have- Is this being

50:42

familiar? And my

50:44

mom would have us get perms and

50:46

my hair was super long. So I

50:48

had long perm. So maybe I got

50:50

used to seeing my hair curly. And

50:53

that's why I crave it so badly.

50:55

This is wild. Okay, so

50:58

we had curling irons in my house,

51:00

but I didn't- I was pretty scared

51:02

of them. And then for

51:04

some reason, I don't know whose hair

51:07

straightener was in the house. But

51:10

I used it and I got like one good wave.

51:12

And I think that was it. That's

51:14

a wrap. Childhood

51:16

discovery. Oh, wow.

51:19

You're a healing. Well,

51:21

Sammy, thank you so much for being

51:25

my final guest on

51:28

the pod. Not

51:30

the final guest. Thanks for asking me, Kate. Thanks for mine. Sammy,

51:34

if folks want to find you and listen

51:36

to your podcast, but also just follow

51:38

along with your adventures, where

51:41

should they do that? Where can they find you? Where can they

51:43

get more of you? Oh, gosh.

51:46

It is it underscore your Y

51:49

O U R underscore Sam on

51:52

Instagram. And my

51:55

podcast is at Wrestling Academy

51:57

Pod on TikTok,

52:03

Instagram, and

52:05

YouTube. But if you're typing

52:08

youtube.com, it has to be at

52:10

symbol Wrestling Academy pod. And

52:12

if you follow us

52:14

on YouTube at 1000 subscribers,

52:18

I will put my co

52:20

host through a table. What?

52:24

Can I physically put them through a table? Wow.

52:28

Okay. Can

52:30

I think we need to go subscribe so we

52:32

can like how are you going to physically put

52:35

them through a table? I mean, that is

52:38

all up to well,

52:40

you know, I mean, an ongoing

52:43

joke is me asking, like every

52:45

time we get an escalated version

52:47

of somebody going through the table.

52:49

So last week we recorded an

52:52

episode where a wrestler, there's a

52:54

ladder going across the outside of

52:56

a ring horizontally, then

52:59

he set a table up on

53:01

top of this ladder, and he put someone

53:03

through it. And then I went to Michael

53:05

and I said, Michael, is

53:08

this how I should put you through the table?

53:10

So it is an ongoing running joke to see

53:12

what I'm how I'm actually going to put Michael

53:14

through a table. But I think

53:16

the safest way right now to me

53:18

seems like a spear, which is you

53:21

just Oh my god, run and throw

53:23

yourself into. Remember that my my legs

53:25

are just mangled. This

53:31

is gonna be fun. You have tendonitis in

53:33

your feet. It's true. Don't hurt yourself. We'll

53:37

figure it out. Sammy.

53:40

All right. Well, Sammy, thank you. You're

53:43

the best. You're the

53:45

best. Cape. Thank you so much for

53:47

all the years of laughter and working

53:50

friendship and the power that

53:52

you brought to us. The

53:54

power of your your

53:57

journey of figuring yourself out. I

54:01

appreciate you. I appreciate you guys. Ahhhh.

54:06

Ahhh. That was a blast.

54:08

I'm glad we got to do that. It was a

54:10

real full circle. It

54:13

felt very full circle. And if you really want to have

54:15

a chuckle, go back and listen to our first ever interview

54:17

that we did with Sami. Oh my gosh. Where

54:20

we learned so much about their life. So

54:23

much. Like sometimes I remember

54:26

that Sami is a trained massage therapist

54:28

and my mind is blown every time I

54:30

remember this. I know. I know. It's very

54:32

cool. They have lived. Sami has lived many

54:35

lives. Many

54:37

lives. And now their life is wrestling. Yeah.

54:41

Also true. Also true. Ahhhh.

54:47

Well Kate, for your last round

54:49

of intentions, do

54:52

you want to talk about how things went with

54:54

your phone lockbox? Dory, I haven't even

54:56

touched it. I feel like this is my last

54:58

intention on the pod to get to share if

55:00

I did it or not. And that stupid thing

55:02

is just sat in my kitchen. I haven't even

55:05

picked it up. I've thought about it. I

55:08

have not locked my phone

55:10

in it or my iPad. Okay.

55:13

So it's a bust. It's

55:16

a work in progress, Kate. It's not a

55:18

bust. I really

55:20

want to lock my phone up, but I

55:22

just, it just hasn't seemed practical.

55:27

Look, I get it. Which is maybe the

55:29

problem with all of this social

55:31

media detoxing is, can

55:34

we even do it anymore? Is our world set up for

55:36

it? I don't know. Can we even

55:38

do it anymore? I know. It's

55:41

tough. It is tough. And,

55:45

you know, this week, I

55:47

think I'm just going to roll out of here with

55:50

an immense amount of

55:52

gratitude and appreciation for

55:55

this experience. I

55:57

just am trying to kind of like not be

55:59

too... overwhelmed by

56:02

an ending of something and just kind of figure

56:04

out how to appreciate

56:07

it and honor it and also

56:09

just not rush myself into any

56:11

which way and just kind of sit

56:13

in the gratitude of the experience.

56:16

And you know I'm rolling after

56:19

this I'm like I have a my book

56:21

coming out in two weeks so it's like

56:23

two very big intense experiences kind of happening

56:25

at once. So

56:28

I'm gonna try to maintain that mentality

56:34

for the for the release

56:36

of my next book. So

56:39

and I appreciate anybody who is pre-ordering

56:41

it or supporting me there that means

56:43

a lot to me. But yeah that's

56:46

that is where I'm at this week Dory how about

56:48

you? Okay well I think last

56:50

week I was talking about my birthday and

56:52

I did end up having a lovely birthday

56:54

and things

56:59

went a little sideways with my

57:01

birthday party but I wonder why

57:04

we we

57:06

rallied and we

57:09

pulled it off which

57:11

the host got sick the person who

57:13

was gonna host the party who

57:16

is me they got

57:19

sick the day of the party they

57:22

tested positive for COVID so that

57:24

plan went out the window. You know what

57:26

you and your husband figured it right out.

57:29

We did one of his friends who

57:31

has hosted trivia in the past and

57:34

that my party was a trivia party

57:36

offered very generously at

57:38

the very last minute offered to let

57:40

us use her backyard which was amazing and

57:43

then our babysitter bailed like an hour before the

57:45

party because

57:47

her son got sick and I

57:51

was like what what is

57:53

like what is happening? But

57:59

shockingly one of our other

58:01

babysitters was available again at like a

58:03

moment's notice and came over

58:05

and really saved our

58:08

butts. So that was

58:10

awesome. And

58:12

this week, you know, it's a

58:14

week of change. It's

58:17

a week of change. So I'm just gonna kind

58:19

of like Kate, just gonna try and like navigate that.

58:23

That's where I'm at right now. I'm

58:26

gonna, Dori, if you'll allow

58:29

me the honors of saying please for

58:31

one last time. Remember

58:33

35 is hosted and produced by Dori Schafre

58:35

and Kate Spencer. It's produced and edited by

58:38

Sam Hunio. Sami Reed

58:40

is our project manager and our network partner

58:42

is ACAST. Thank you all

58:44

so much for listening. All right, bye everybody.

58:46

Bye.