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first I want to start things

2:56

off with some

2:58

recommendations that I teased on

3:01

Monday's episode. Yes.

3:04

I've been thinking about this, so let

3:07

it rip, Dory. Well, it's funny

3:09

because when my parents come, they

3:11

sleep in our bed because it's a king

3:13

size bed and I take the full size

3:16

bed and Matt sleeps on the couch. Yeah,

3:18

that's nice of you. The full size sofa bed,

3:21

which is like in the playroom slash guest room,

3:24

the sofa bed, like the mattress has

3:27

like seen better days. It's

3:30

it's, it's definitely not, it's not the worst

3:32

sofa bed I've ever slept on, but it's

3:35

like definitely not the best. And

3:39

like the second, the first

3:41

or second night I was sleeping on

3:43

it. I happened to see the New

3:45

York times website, their

3:47

homepage was promoting a wire cutter article

3:49

that was like how to make your

3:52

sofa bed more comfortable. And I was

3:54

like, well, click. So

3:58

I've got to say I'm a little surprised that wire. got

4:00

in on this game. I didn't even know there were

4:03

enough sofa beds and

4:05

enough range that they

4:07

could recommend how to

4:09

improve them. So I love it. Yeah.

4:12

So their first recommendation was to get

4:14

a new sofa bed mattress, which

4:19

I was like, you know what? I don't

4:21

really want to spend $300 on a new

4:23

sofa bed mattress right now. That just seems,

4:25

I don't know it

4:28

like for the probably 10 nights a year

4:30

that I sleep on it. It just, it

4:32

seemed a little excessive, but

4:34

they did have one recommendation that I was

4:37

like, okay, I'm listening, which

4:39

is a sleeper

4:41

sofa support board. What

4:44

is that? It is

4:46

made by a company

4:48

called Meldleusli. Okay.

4:51

And it is a fold up board

4:54

that goes between

4:57

the sofa

4:59

bed, like frame and your mattress.

5:01

Oh, this is so necessary because

5:03

the whole thing about sofa beds

5:05

is that you feel the frame.

5:07

You feel the bar, right. Exactly.

5:10

But you feel the bar. So

5:12

this just like makes

5:15

it almost. It's like a

5:17

gymnastics mat or something. Exactly. Exactly. Like

5:21

in my opinion, the

5:23

full size one was $90 and I was like, that's

5:26

expensive. But I was also like, what,

5:28

like, what else would

5:30

I put there? You know what I mean? Like

5:32

it wasn't like I could immediately DIY it with

5:34

something else. And it's

5:37

so much more affordable than a full

5:39

mattress. Full, exactly. So I was like,

5:41

okay, let me start here. So I

5:45

got that. And then I also got because

5:47

I like a firm mattress and

5:49

I mean, in

5:52

addition to all the reasons why this sofa bed

5:54

mattress is not great. It's just, it's like so

5:58

not firm. So I

6:00

did also buy a two-inch

6:03

memory foam topper. And

6:06

I looked for one that was like, I

6:09

didn't want one that was like advertised

6:11

to make your bed softer. Right.

6:14

Because that wasn't what I was going for. No.

6:18

But I was a little hesitant because a

6:20

lot of mattress toppers are like intended to

6:22

make your bed softer. And I was like,

6:25

no, I want it harder. Give me a

6:27

slumptious. No flaccid mattresses. Exactly.

6:29

No flaccid mattresses for

6:32

Dory. But I have to say

6:34

the one I got is from

6:36

a company called Lucid. It

6:39

is their five zone

6:42

gel infusion mattress topper.

6:45

Full size was $50. So

6:47

my total investment here was $140 versus

6:51

I probably would have bought the board

6:53

regardless. So, you know,

6:55

it would have been close to like $400 if

6:58

I'd gotten the new mattress. So I was like, okay,

7:00

I'm going to start with the mattress topper. If I

7:02

get the mattress topper and I'm like, this is still

7:04

hell, then maybe

7:06

we can think about a new mattress. But

7:11

I am pleased to report. Yeah.

7:13

I wanted to know, like, have you tried it out?

7:15

So first of all, so I ordered it on Amazon

7:18

and it was supposed to come like two

7:20

nights into my four nights stint

7:23

on the sofa bed. And

7:27

then I got an email that I see. Yeah.

7:29

My residency. I got an email that it was

7:31

delayed until like the

7:34

day my parents were leaving. And I was like, oh, come

7:36

on. This is so annoying. But then it showed up a

7:38

little early. So I did

7:40

get one

7:42

or two nights of sleep on the new and

7:44

improved sofa bed. And Elise,

7:46

it was truly new and improved. Hey-o.

7:51

Like it was, it was like a new

7:53

bed. I had my parents lie down on

7:56

it. I was like, just take a gander

7:58

because they had previously slept on it. it.

8:01

And they were like, wow. They

8:07

were like, we'd sleep on this. I was like, okay.

8:11

Maybe you will next time. Yeah,

8:19

exactly. So yeah, so that's my full report.

8:22

So if you don't want to spring for a

8:25

whole new sofa bed mattress, I

8:27

would suggest getting this board and getting

8:29

a mattress topper. And I

8:32

think this is one of those things also where like every

8:35

time I would sleep on this sofa bed, I'd be like,

8:37

oh, I really need to make the sofa bed more comfortable.

8:39

But then like by the time I had that thought, it

8:41

would be like the end of my stint on the sofa

8:43

bed. And I was like, but

8:46

I was like, you know what? I like it's

8:49

too annoying. And

8:51

now you have invested in a game changer.

8:54

Now I have invested in a game

8:56

changer. So I just,

8:58

I needed to share that. Yeah.

9:01

And you got to enjoy your

9:03

creature comforts. Let every night be a

9:05

restful night. Even the 10

9:08

nights a year that you're on a sofa bed.

9:10

Thank you, Elise. What's going on with you? Do you

9:13

have any recs you want to share? Well

9:15

it's cherry season. So I recommend going

9:17

to the grocery store, the farmer's markets

9:20

and cherries. I've been eating a

9:23

small bowl. Do you see all the

9:25

pits? Life is just a bowl of

9:27

cherries. Dory just lifted up a

9:29

bowl of cherry pits. It's

9:32

so funny how I'm always surprising her because

9:34

I like mentioned these things like my AARP

9:36

discount card and she's like, Oh my God.

9:39

Are you like in my brain? Like

9:42

it's a little strange. It's

9:44

just the ethnicity. I got a shipping notification

9:46

for the trunk organizer. I just want to

9:48

say that. My

9:52

life is going to change. Yes,

9:55

I agree. I hope you all are subscribed to

9:57

the Patreon so that you're getting these casual chat

9:59

conversations. Oh, that was a casual

10:01

chat. Oh gosh. Yeah. That's right. About,

10:03

yes, because on our casual chat on

10:05

the Patreon at patreon.com/forever35. Last

10:08

week we discussed, and

10:10

this was completely serendipitous, how I

10:13

was really excited about getting an

10:15

AARP card because even though it

10:17

is an organization for people 50 and up,

10:20

there is no limited, there is

10:22

no minimum age to join. And

10:25

so you can join at any age, get the

10:27

card and get a bunch of discounts.

10:29

And then Dory was so

10:31

excited because it turns out she had gotten

10:33

one too. It's

10:36

true. This was completely unplanned. It

10:38

was completely unplanned and

10:41

I selected my free gift

10:43

of a trunk organizer, which I'm convinced

10:45

is going to change my life. Anyway,

10:50

sorry, I totally interrupted you.

10:53

No, no, no, I'm excited about cherries. I'm

10:55

just as excited as you as it turns

10:57

out. And then

11:01

I'm a big fan of the

11:03

Orebe or Orebe, I think it's

11:05

Orebe hair care line. One

11:07

of my OG products, this is before

11:09

my Arenco stick, homemade

11:12

stick for the flyaways and the baby hairs

11:14

that I have. I used to

11:16

use fibergroom, which was from Orebe

11:19

and it's because

11:21

it smells really yummy and

11:23

a lot of their products

11:25

smell great. I guess the scent

11:27

is called Gold Coast, I think,

11:30

if I'm right. And they

11:33

have a hair and body oil

11:35

that I've been trying out and

11:38

I love it. It's so light. It's not greasy. You

11:40

can use it in your hair. You can use it

11:42

on your body. You can smell great. You

11:45

don't have to wear perfume if you're wearing

11:47

this oil because it's this light

11:49

scent. It's very subtle. So

11:52

I'm really into this. Wow. That's

11:54

my recommendation this week. That's exciting.

11:57

Well, that is a good segue

11:59

into. to our next

12:01

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12:03

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12:06

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before we get to hair, we did get an

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18:18

urgent. All right. Urgent. Let's get to it.

18:20

This listener had just listened to our episode

18:23

with Ann Powers, NPR music

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critic Ann Powers, and

18:27

said, hi there, just listening to the

18:29

most recent ep and it got me

18:31

thinking my music taste and variety haven't

18:33

changed much since college. Graduated

18:35

in 2009, so I'm definitely stuck in the

18:37

mid aughts. How are we finding new music?

18:40

I use Spotify, but I mostly listen to

18:42

my same old playlists. That's

18:44

a really great question because I feel

18:46

kind of married to

18:49

the music that was

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cool or that I kind of grew up with

18:53

in my adolescence. And I think a lot of

18:55

us are like that. Yeah. Like you

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get frozen in the music tastes of

19:00

your coming of age. So the

19:02

first part of my response is there's nothing

19:04

wrong with staying in the era

19:06

that feels best to you because

19:09

there is something kind of romantic

19:11

and nostalgic about the era that

19:13

you came of age in and the music of the

19:15

time. When I was in

19:18

middle school, I am

19:20

still a huge devotee of Pearl

19:22

Jam, for example, and

19:24

Stone Temple Pilots, just

19:26

that whole grunge alternative era because

19:28

I was in like sixth and

19:30

seventh grade during that time. And

19:33

those were formative years. And so when

19:36

I threw my 40th birthday party, it was

19:38

1994 themed specifically because I always

19:42

wanted to return to that time. And I always want to hear

19:44

that music. Nirvana's Nevermind was

19:46

coming out. Yeah. So I

19:48

think there's something really beautiful about that. Yeah.

19:51

For new music. And then now the algorithms,

19:53

like on Spotify and stuff, they tend to

19:56

show you or

19:58

present you more of the same. stuff

20:00

that you already like. So

20:02

discovery can be tough. These

20:04

days I'm discovering a lot

20:07

of new music from

20:10

what's happening and trending on TikTok

20:12

because a lot of the TikTok

20:14

sounds end up being new music

20:16

or old music that's kind of enjoying

20:18

a heyday. Like Kate Bush was really big

20:21

just a couple of years ago because of Stranger Things. So

20:24

TikTok is one place where I am

20:26

getting to hear

20:29

new music. And

20:32

then I used to read Pitchfork just to

20:34

read reviews and hear about things that were

20:36

like trending. Dori,

20:39

what about you? I

20:43

mean kind of similarly, I remember when I was

20:45

a kid being like,

20:47

why? Because my parents still had

20:49

like record albums, but everything

20:52

was from like the mid 70s. And I was like, why

20:56

is there? Well, no, more

20:58

like Bob Dylan and like Peter

21:00

Paul and Mary, more like folk-y

21:02

stuff. But I

21:05

was like, why? Why did their

21:07

musical tastes like freeze? And you

21:09

know, like, how come they don't

21:11

listen to new stuff? I was

21:13

like, you know, so silly. And now

21:15

I'm like,

21:18

oh, I fully get it. Like,

21:21

and I say this as someone who worked at

21:23

Rolling Stone, but like, it's

21:26

hard to keep up with new music. Like, there's

21:29

a reason why the youth are the

21:31

ones who like listen to new music.

21:34

Like, I will say also, like every

21:36

so often a new artist will like

21:38

break through for me, but it's, it's

21:41

generally someone like really big

21:43

like Waxahatchee, Olivia

21:45

Rodrigo. Like,

21:47

I'm not, I'm not in

21:50

the phase of my life where I'm like discovering

21:52

like cool new indie bands. Also

21:56

the most obvious answer to this question, of

21:58

course, is actually NPR music

22:00

and Ann Powers because Ann

22:03

Powers's job is literally

22:05

to listen and scope

22:07

out all totally new music. I

22:09

used to discover, I mean, during my years that

22:12

I was in the NPR building, I discovered so

22:14

much music just for the Tiny Desk concerts. So

22:17

just like going to the third floor and

22:19

seeing acts that I hadn't seen before like

22:21

Kishi Bashi, I think I had the first

22:24

time and I had no idea who he

22:26

was before he played

22:29

the Tiny Desk. And so check

22:31

out NPR music, check out Tiny Desk concerts.

22:33

Those are other ways besides

22:35

my quick, like, Oh, what is the

22:38

soundtrack to my TikTok one pot cooking

22:40

meal? Right. Right.

22:44

And you brought up NPR, but

22:46

I also think just like terrestrial

22:48

radio can be a useful

22:51

place to find new music

22:53

and probably also satellite

22:55

radio. I know they have channels

22:58

where they just play like the top 40 or

23:00

whatever. But like, you know, when

23:02

I was growing up, I listened to like

23:05

the week, like the weekend top 40

23:08

countdown, like every weekend. Casey

23:10

Kasem. Casey Kasem. And

23:13

now it's Ryan Seacrest, I believe. I think,

23:15

yeah, I think it's been Ryan Seacrest for a while. So

23:20

yeah, I think that is also still a good way

23:22

to like discover music.

23:25

And also Spotify has a new

23:27

releases playlist that

23:29

you can listen to that I

23:31

think is like somewhat tweaked to

23:33

your algorithm. But that

23:37

at least will like give you some and you

23:39

can also go to the Spotify like top like

23:41

there's a US Top 100, there's a global Top

23:43

100, you can often

23:45

find new artists there. Thanks

23:47

for the question. Great question. Okay, now we are going to

23:53

get to some hair

23:55

recommendations. Yes. And

23:57

we have a couple of voicemails.

23:59

that I'm going to play. Here

24:02

is our first one. Hey,

24:05

Dorian Elise, I was just listening to

24:07

your episode about hair mask. And

24:10

I say this being someone who is terrible with

24:12

hair products and wasn't even using conditioner for a

24:14

long time. I recently

24:16

moved back from Japan,

24:19

and I started with

24:21

Shiseido, Shiseido, Eno, F-I-N-O,

24:24

hair mask. And I actually use it

24:27

as a conditioner. And I use it

24:31

once or twice a week whenever I wash my hair. And

24:33

it's the softest I've ever had my hair. I

24:36

also get oily hair really easily, and I haven't

24:38

had any issues with that. I

24:40

can't recommend it enough. My husband now loves

24:42

it too. We both have to touch each

24:44

other's hair afterwards. It's the softest thing I've

24:46

ever felt. So anyways, can't wait. I

24:49

just wanted to share. I hope you enjoy.

24:51

Bye. I'm so excited to

24:53

hear this, because as you all

24:55

know, I have no hair mask anymore. Due

24:58

to the discontinuation of Garnier

25:00

Fruitease. So Shiseido, I

25:02

mean, I love that entire line of

25:04

products. I'm a big devotee

25:07

of Shiseido since I was a kid

25:09

because of their blue line

25:11

of sun care. So

25:13

my first sunscreen were

25:16

Shiseido, because my mom,

25:18

who's Taiwanese, lots

25:20

of Japanese influence in Taiwan. So she was

25:23

using those products pretty early

25:25

on. And I'm so

25:27

excited to try it. All right, our next text

25:31

is one that is relevant

25:34

to me personally. So I'll read it.

25:36

Purple hair mask recommendation here. The Amika

25:38

bust your brass one was a game

25:41

changer for me. Makes my hair really

25:43

soft. But more importantly, it

25:45

really does bust the brass. Yes.

25:49

In the past, I've also used a Redkins professional one

25:52

that was good too just once a week or so.

25:55

I also got a Jolie shower head filter. And

25:57

I think it may have helped too. totally

26:00

sure, but like Elise's daughter who thinks their

26:02

water makes her hair greasy, my husband had

26:04

that complaint with his and hasn't

26:06

voiced it since we got the filter. It comes

26:08

with a subscription, so they automatically send you a

26:10

replacement one when it's time to change it and

26:12

it was really easy to install. Yay.

26:15

Okay, thank you. My

26:17

daughter Ava is going to be so thrilled to try this

26:19

out. Yeah, this

26:21

is exciting. Maybe

26:23

this will mitigate some of the tweendom meltdowns

26:26

and complaints and whininess I have to

26:28

deal with. So

26:30

thank you. You may have just helped

26:33

infuse some calm into my household. Very

26:37

interesting. Okay. So

26:39

thanks for those recommendations. And we have another text. Yeah,

26:41

do you want to read it? Sure.

26:45

All right. When I used to

26:47

swim a lot, I used Kiehl's chlorine

26:49

neutralizer after swimming. Immediately rinse with

26:51

it after getting out of the pool. Also wet

26:54

your hair before swimming to prevent absorption of

26:56

chemicals from the pool. So

26:59

even if you have a saltwater pool, there is still

27:01

a small amount of chlorine and other chemicals they have

27:03

to put in there, just less than a straight

27:05

up chlorine pool. Also

27:07

the best hair masks are from Kerastase. Not

27:10

budget friendly, but the best. They also have

27:12

a purple line, better

27:14

and thicker than Briogeo don't

27:17

despair repair mask. I hope

27:19

I read that correctly.

27:24

This was a bit of a mouthful. So

27:28

I really like, I really like Briogeo's products,

27:31

but this is a hot tip. And

27:34

my hairstylist really likes Kerastase. And one of

27:37

the reasons why I don't use it is

27:39

because of the price point, as you mentioned.

27:41

But if you are

27:44

sitting on a wad of cash or

27:46

don't mind investing a little bit more,

27:48

I second the

27:50

Kerastase on behalf of my

27:52

hairstylist. Oh, very interesting. Okay.

27:55

All right. Elise,

27:58

we have one more. on

28:00

this topic. Just

28:02

going to say that Elise is so right

28:05

about the Are & Co. stick. I

28:07

am growing out my braids and

28:10

they have a really wiry texture and on my part

28:12

they like stand up right in straight in the center

28:14

of my head and it drives me nuts and the

28:16

only thing that works to keep them down is

28:19

the Are & Co. stick. So

28:21

two thumbs up for that particular

28:23

product. And you

28:25

can just apply the stick straight

28:27

to the flyaways. And so

28:29

you don't ever have to touch the product at

28:32

all. I love it so much. Maybe I'll get

28:34

it for Rob because my partner Rob was complaining

28:36

that gray hairs grow out more wiry just as

28:38

the color mentioned. And

28:42

so he has chest hairs that are gray

28:44

now. Oh wow. Okay.

28:48

The texture is different. Yes. I don't

28:50

know that you can apply the Are & Co.

28:52

stick to your chest. I

28:54

mean that would be an interesting experiment. But I guess we could

28:56

guinea pig it. Yeah. Why not? Why

28:59

not? All right. Elise,

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it made me laugh. I

31:26

really really do want you to retake the

31:28

test and let us know what

31:30

you are because you said seven. I mean,

31:34

I think you're fun and all. No shade. I don't

31:36

think you're a seven. So I'm curious to see. My

31:40

favorite resource is the Enneagram Institute.

31:42

They also have some information

31:44

about miss typing, so maybe

31:46

that would be helpful. Anyway,

31:49

I'm totally here for it. Love

31:52

all the new changes. We're rolling

31:54

with them. I mean, we'll always

31:56

miss Kate. Love that free mugger.

32:00

I'm happy to stay with you guys and see

32:02

where this goes. Have

32:04

a great day. Bye. Okay.

32:08

Dory, could you be mistyped? So

32:11

I was like, I mean, look,

32:13

she's right. I'm not as fun as I used to

32:16

be. I

32:18

don't know if that's what she meant at all.

32:21

It did make me reflect on when

32:23

I first discovered the Enneagram, which

32:26

was summer of 2010. And

32:30

I was in Portland, Oregon,

32:34

and staying at the house

32:37

of someone I sort of knew from the internet, she was

32:39

like, I'm gonna be away. You can stay in my apartment.

32:41

And I was like, great. And I had broken up with

32:43

someone earlier that year, a

32:46

long-term boyfriend. I write about this a bit. I don't write about

32:48

the Enneagram in my book, but I write about this a bit

32:50

in my memoir. I had a

32:52

sort of like manic summer of craziness.

32:55

Oh, this is when you got the

32:57

jacket? Yes, this

33:00

was right before the revenge jacket. This was like

33:02

the summer before the fall of the revenge jacket.

33:05

But I had like a few months of like a

33:07

little bit of a bender. And

33:10

it was during this time

33:12

that I took the Enneagram test.

33:17

So I now wonder if,

33:20

not that that doesn't reflect me, like

33:22

my true personality, but I think

33:25

it was, it was like a snapshot of

33:27

a moment in time when

33:29

I was feeling like, especially Enneagram

33:31

seven, like I was feeling very

33:33

impulsive, very like, let's

33:37

do, let's try this crazy thing.

33:39

Try everything. Yeah. And

33:42

like- Let's try putting iron coal,

33:44

pomade sticks- On chest hair, yeah. On my

33:46

partner's chest. Right. I

33:49

mean, yeah, like, or just, I mean, my trip to Portland was

33:52

kind of a case in point. Like I had a friend who

33:54

was like, I'm gonna be in Portland. She's

33:56

like, why don't you come, with

33:58

like two weeks notice or something? And it

34:00

was like, yeah, okay. I

34:03

didn't have a full-time job. I was just sort

34:05

of like, whatever. So

34:08

that was when I typed as an Enneagram 7.

34:11

So now things have kind of changed. And

34:15

I retook, I did not take the Enneagram Institute test

34:17

because I didn't wanna spend like $30. So

34:21

I just- It's long. And also it's

34:23

super long. Yeah, and I just took, so I just took a

34:25

free Enneagram test. And

34:27

what I got was Enneagram 8. You're

34:30

an 8. How do you

34:32

feel about that? Well, first of all, can you

34:35

tell us what are the defining

34:37

characteristics of an 8? So

34:42

Enneagram 8. I

34:46

mean, it's funny. Like, okay.

34:48

So this is what I

34:50

could see on the website

34:53

that I took the test on before it like hit

34:55

a paywall. 8s

34:59

are motivated by the desire to be independent.

35:02

That's accurate. And to take

35:04

charge of themselves and others. I would

35:06

also say that's probably accurate. They are

35:09

assertive personalities and passionate about life, which

35:11

they approach with vigor and confidence. 8s

35:14

know how to look after themselves. They pursue

35:16

their own destinies. These

35:18

are the qualities of natural leaders of

35:20

whatever role they find themselves in. 8s

35:22

have an imposing presence. They are action

35:24

people, preferring to do rather than conceptualize

35:27

and are ready to make the difficult decisions

35:29

and accent the unlock my full report. I

35:32

did do some Googling. I

35:38

mean, do you relate to this? I definitely

35:40

relate to some of it. There's

35:43

like a whole thing about being

35:45

afraid of vulnerability that I think is

35:48

like pretty accurate. And

35:50

like the pressure, this is from

35:52

another website. The

35:58

pressure to deny vulnerability. reduces their emotional energy

36:01

and keeps them from receiving all of life's

36:03

gifts. And I do think that that is

36:05

something that I am constantly working on, but

36:08

it is vulnerable to admit that.

36:10

So I think I'm making progress.

36:13

You're feeling into your eight-ness. Yes,

36:15

exactly. It's not so different from

36:17

a seven. I am a seven

36:20

with an eight-year. Okay, so here's

36:22

the thing. I'm

36:24

going to text this to

36:26

you because this was the

36:28

image that came up after

36:31

I took

36:34

the test. I think I

36:36

am in a seven. I think seven is

36:38

still my wing. There it is.

36:40

Yeah, because I'm an eight wing. I'm a seven with

36:42

an eight wing. You might be an eight with a

36:44

seven wing. Oh my gosh. And that could explain why

36:47

we met. An enduring friendship.

36:50

Okay, this makes a lot of sense.

36:54

This is very interesting. I'm

36:57

so glad we even got the question

36:59

in the first place about what my

37:01

Enneagram is because then it led us

37:03

down this road and your path to

37:06

rediscovering your Enneagram type. Yes. And

37:09

thank you to the caller who

37:11

is excited about this. There's

37:13

like a type. So the eight wing

37:15

seven is also its own type

37:17

that has been, this is

37:20

what Google has told me. They

37:22

call it the maverick. Advocate

37:25

for the rights of others, dream big

37:28

and are idealistic, struggle to be emotionally

37:30

honest or vulnerable, afraid of losing their

37:32

autonomy. That does seem pretty accurate for

37:34

me, I will say. But it's

37:39

also, is this the kind

37:41

of thing where I

37:45

read about these different types and

37:48

something about it resonates, something about

37:51

each one resonates with me. You know what

37:53

I mean? That social psychology idea, that phenomenon

37:55

of the Barnum effect. Yes, exactly. I think

37:57

it's called the Barnum effect. been a long

37:59

time since I've been in a psychology class,

38:02

but that idea that if you do hear

38:04

something that's kind of a warm and

38:06

affable trait, that you end up relating

38:08

to it. And this is why fortune tellers are so good

38:10

or effective. Right. Right. Exactly.

38:12

Exactly. But if it was

38:15

super wrong, if it describes you as an

38:17

Enneagram two or four or something, it wouldn't

38:20

really track, I think. Right. And I have

38:22

like glanced at the other types. And I

38:24

mean, some of them

38:26

I'm like, okay, this is definitely not me.

38:31

But others, you know, so like,

38:33

I also had like a lot of three

38:35

tendencies, which is the performer.

38:37

I don't think and I don't think that's

38:39

so unrelated to eight. I

38:43

think like a lot of like journalists

38:45

are probably in this. My partner is

38:47

a three. I am a seven with

38:49

an eight wing sevens with an eight

38:52

wing, if I recall correctly, are more

38:54

work oriented. So I

38:56

can focus when

38:58

necessary. Yes. So so

39:01

that's promising. Yes.

39:03

Promising that I'm not just swanning

39:06

about. Or like

39:08

Enneagram nine. No, they like peace and

39:10

tend to avoid conflict. No, not me.

39:18

Diving right into this. Yes, diving right

39:20

in. Um, so

39:22

yeah, so I don't know, it was an

39:24

interesting exercise for sure. So

39:26

thank you, listener, for this question. All

39:30

right. Well, at least this brings us to the end of

39:32

our of our show. And

39:34

thanks, everyone, for your questions, your

39:36

comments, your calls, 7815910390,

39:39

or just put us in your phone like this, like that sending. Yeah, keep

39:45

sending your questions and texts sending. We love them. All

39:48

right. Bye. Bye. Bye.