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Good morning, everybody. Welcome to your

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morning to everyone. James, Tom,

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right. Good morning. Good morning.

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Welcome. Looking fine. Greetings

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from Finland. Hello. Welcome back. Slap

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a like, leave a tip and get stuck in

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for philosophy. That's right. We

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have some exciting things to talk about today. Oh

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yes. So,

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but let's start with you. How

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are you? How are you? How is your life? How are things

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in your neck of the woods? And

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wait, no, that is still, hang on

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a minute, just a tiny bit there.

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There we go. Sorry about that. I know. I just want to

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make sure that video is nice. All right.

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Quick question for you, Steph. Now, spoiler,

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spoiler. Turns out it wasn't a

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quick question. When somebody says, this has been a sort

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of a constant experience and it's no problem of course,

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but it's kind of a constant experience where

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people say, Steph, just a quick, you know, and then

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it's just like, yes. Well,

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it's always a deep meaningful

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and you know, I'm not complaining about the deep

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meaningful questions. I'm just saying. And

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whenever say, when people say, yeah, quick

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question for yeah, Steph, do

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selfish people even realize when

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they're being selfish? Do they see the

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plain truth when it's pointed out to them? Why

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are people so clueless to their selfish acts and

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how it causes a cascade of events that otherwise

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could have been avoided? Example

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may be volunteering their time to help elderly parents

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out when they're doing nothing, but

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others have to step in because they won't

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volunteer. Right.

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Yeah. Quick question for you. Quick

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question. Yeah. My

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wife's like, hey, quick question. Why can I

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not print to the wireless printer? Because

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printing is largely an esoteric mystery

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religion that doesn't exist in the

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real world. Printing,

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it's actually just easier to hire very small people

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to sit in a box and write things out.

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Quicker, easier, and at least they

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respond to wireless prompts. I

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mean, I swear to lord above, even

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though I've told the router to reserve

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an IP address, I constantly have to

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uninstall and reinstall printers just to get

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some printing. It's wild. I

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can't honestly remember the last time that I printed something and

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it just printed. I remember it was Scott Adams had a

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problem with one of his printers was going to throw it

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off his balcony. It's just,

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and even if I've even tried having the printer ethernet

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wired into the router,

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doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Windows

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is just like, no, I'm going to manage it and I'm

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going to shred it. I

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had to print some medical records. I don't know

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which sucks more printing or being sick. Yes, that's

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right. That's right.

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Well, greetings from Slovakia. Excellent.

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Excellent. All right. So tell me, hit

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me with a number. If you could be so

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very kind as to indulge me, what is the

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number of selfish people in your life? I

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don't mean like doesn't have to be living with

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you or whatever, but what

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is the number

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of selfish people in your life? And

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you know, can we just basically go with

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the definition? We

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know just, you know, people who don't think of the needs

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of others who are just constantly angling for their own benefit,

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you know, that kind of stuff. Right. We understand that. Zero.

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Excellent. The

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worst is when a printer fails. When you're in a hurry, you need

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to always have a backup printer. So

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I'll tell you, this is a funny thing about life.

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I had a dot matrix printer that

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I attached through. A

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parallel port to my Atari

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800 and it never failed.

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Brrrr, Brrrr, Brrrr, dot matrix

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printer. I had a

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whenever I would run low on ink. I still remember, you

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know, like 45 years later, I still

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remember the key combo. I had a word processor. Control

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Z O A 4 was double

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spaced and everything bolded because that's what you

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do is you bold everything when you're running

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low on printer ink and

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brrrr, brrrr, brrrr. And it always would. And

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now close to half a century later, I have

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to sacrifice three chicken goats, three chickens, two

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goats and use their blood to scribe things

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out because the printer guards don't respond to

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anything. There are no printer

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guards. There are only printer devils. That's

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it. That's all we get. All

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right. So

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you got a couple. People say zero. Hmm. Yeah,

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about 10, including me. Well, that's, that's blunt. That's

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blunt. All

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right. So would you like a journey through the

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mind of a

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selfish person? I guess some people would say that's every one

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of my shows. So

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would you like, would you find it helpful to

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get a tour through the mind of a

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selfish person? I

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just want to make sure I am providing maximum

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value. And of course you can donate on the

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app. You can donate on

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the website, whether it's locals or rumble or some

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other places. And

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you can of course go to free demand.com/donate

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free demand.com/donate to donate there. All

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right. It looks like a tour through the mind of

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a selfish person is helpful. So,

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human beings do not function

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without justifications. Human

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beings do not function without

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justifications. So

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I knew someone when I was younger. I

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was actually just talking about that, chatting about that with

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my wife this morning. So I knew somebody, let's just

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call him Bob, not his real name. I

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knew someone when I was younger who

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had a pretty unique perspective

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on relationships. So Bob

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had the perspective that the

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purpose of relationships was to

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be challenged. So

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if you're dating someone, they have to

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challenge you. They have

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to attack your defenses. They have to

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unravel your delusions. They have to get

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you to the naked, brutal, ugly core

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of yourself. And

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all couples that smiled and enjoyed

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each other's company and got along

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were avoidant. They were avoiding conflict.

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Conflict is absolute and necessary and functional. That's

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the point of an entire relationship. There's going

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to be this combat that somehow

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polishes you into a fine sheen of

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godlike perfection. And

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all of the couples who enjoy each

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other's company don't fight and get along.

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Well, you see, they have this seething

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conflict deep down, but they're wallpapering it

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over. They're just burying

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their conflict. And

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they're smiling and getting along. And of

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course, the general idea then is, you

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know, it's the bottle up concept, you

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know? They're just

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bottling up their conflict. Thank you for the tips.

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They're just bottling up their conflict. And

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it's going to come out in some horrible way

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if you don't regularly, what he referred, Bob referred

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to it as bleed the venom. You have to

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bleed the venom. So the idea is you get

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backed up with this venom. And

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you get backed up and you just have to

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bleed it out. And it

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was a whole philosophy. quite wild.

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And the idea was that you're

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really harsh and ugly with people, but that's

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just being honest and direct. And

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if they have any problem with that, if they push

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back on that at all, if they don't like that,

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well, don't you know, they're being

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avoidant and defensive, right? So

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yeah, Bob could really go for people. And

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if they didn't like that, then

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they were just being avoidant and defensive.

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So if you refuse to submit to

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various kinds of verbal attacks, you

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were being immature, avoidant, defensive,

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and there was something wrong with you. You

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were, you were wimping out, you were backing away,

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you were a coward if

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you didn't submit to these sort of occasional

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eruptions of verbal assorations. I kind of laugh

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because, you know, it's funny in hindsight. It

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wasn't super funny at the time, but you know,

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this is a long time ago now. So what

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is it? Tragedy is comedy, comedy is tragedy

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plus time. So

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there was this general

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idea. So he was an aggressive,

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punchy person, always restless, never able

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to really relax and enjoy his own company. So

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he was always punchy and aggressive and

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lo and behold, lo and behold, he

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had a justification for it. Life is,

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is punchiness and aggression. And if,

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if you don't indulge

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in that, you're just not alive. You're not

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being real, authentic, honest. It's a sort

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of combination of the two plays. Who's

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afraid of Virginia Woolf? And

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look back in anger. Look

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back in anger. Just lacerations of verbal

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abuse that are

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justified with appeals to brutal

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honesty and authenticity. And

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anybody who recoils from this aggression

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is a coward unwilling to face their

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own demons that, you know, just that. So

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human beings cannot exist without justifications.

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We cannot act without

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justifications. All

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right, let me just check in with you all here. Contention

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is of the devil. Yeah. Oh,

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look, Bob's always right. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like a New

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Yorker. Yeah. So some degree, right? I would

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go out of my way to avoid someone like that. You're an introvert.

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Well, I mean, honestly, it wouldn't just be

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because you're an introvert. It would be because you're

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not, um, self self-harm.

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Is this, is this, that's a methodology or

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a, an idea that it's

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going to result in self-harm. So

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selfish people do

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not refer to themselves as

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selfish, or if they do,

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they say that that is

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the default position of

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mankind and

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anybody who claims otherwise is lying.

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That everyone, everyone

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is selfish. And

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anybody who claims to not be

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selfish is lying. Thank

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you for the tip Vince. I appreciate

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that. All

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is predation and anybody who claims to not be a predator is both a

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predator and a liar as well. Right?

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So there's this brutal authenticity

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paradigm, right? Well,

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I, uh, everybody's, everybody's, everybody's,

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everybody's, everybody's just looks out for their

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own self-interest and everybody's what you would

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call selfish. That's just life. That's

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the nature of the beast. And

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anyone who denies their selfishness

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or appears to be

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selfless is just

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a lying manipulator who's

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both selfish since that's human nature

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and a manipulative liar. At least

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I'm, oh, I'm honest about my

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selfishness. These people say, and I'm

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not pretending to be something I'm not in the

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same way that people say. that

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people say, well, relationships

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are conflict, relationships are

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battles, and anybody who

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is not fighting is not really in a

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relationship and is avoiding the necessary conflict by

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which you get polished. All

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right. Let me just check

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on the messages here. Has the

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E-shaming started yet? Oh,

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and this person who says, has

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the E-shaming started yet, is

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actually demonstrating this. All

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humans are selfish. Right.

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So, and that's a beautiful comment. That's a beautiful,

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like, thank you so much. Thank

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you. Everyone

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is self-interested. Correct. Anyone

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states anything else is evil. So

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this person says, this is a fantastic, thank you so

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much. This is from the guy Runnable. I

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really appreciate this, this wonderful demonstration. Absolutely,

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excuse me, wonderful demonstration.

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Has the E-shaming started yet? All humans are

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selfish. So if he believes that all humans

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are selfish, then clearly

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I would be selfish by what he calls

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E-shaming, right? So

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if everyone is selfish, then

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he shouldn't have a problem with E-shaming, right? But

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of course he has a problem with E-shaming, which

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means he doesn't want to pay. He wants to consume my

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work and my material, you know,

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this, the beautiful camera,

13:30

the, I

13:33

have a separate Zoom audio recorder. I

13:36

have a very expensive amp,

13:39

a very expensive microphone, and

13:41

of course I have 40 years study, 45

13:43

years study into the realm of philosophy. Now,

13:46

42, let's be fair, 57 to 15. So

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he wants

13:52

all of that and he doesn't want to kick in any,

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right? So he's a taker and

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he says, and he's trying to manage what it is

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that I do. by saying when

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I ask for donations, because

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things cost money, people cost money,

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camera equipment, bandwidth, my

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time, books, study,

14:10

everything costs money. And so when

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I say, I appreciate donations,

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he says, you're shaming me. So what he's

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saying is, I want stuff for free,

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and I don't want to feel bad by taking

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all of your work and

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giving nothing. Taking all

14:29

of your effort, all of your work, and giving

14:31

nothing. So he's saying, has

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the e-shaming started yet? Now he's trying to get

14:36

me to think, oh no, well I don't want

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to shame people, so I guess I won't ask

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for any support for the show. Oh

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no. Of course, and so it's

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wonderful. I mean, I think the thank

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you, beautiful. You

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couldn't do it, you couldn't do it any better. So

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he's saying, everyone is selfish, by which case then

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I should not at all be shamed for what

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he would call e-shaming, because I'm selfish or whatever,

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right? So he is saying, all

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humans are selfish, but he's

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assuming that I don't want to shame people

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and therefore I care about my audience. And

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he's using the break in his own

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philosophy that all humans are selfish to try and control

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my behavior. So he doesn't have

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to give

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up any resources

15:24

in exchange of value for value, right? I

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mean, we try

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to treat each other as adults here, right?

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As adults with responsibility. I mean, I

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think it's a good thing in life to be an

15:36

adult with responsibility. And

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so it is important

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to trade

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value for value in relationships. So

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he says, I would think he would be providing... All

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his knowledge for the betterment of humanity.

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Oh, so everyone's selfish, my friend, but

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I should be acting in a

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selfless manner. Oh, I love

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you. I love you.

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Thank you so much for demonstrating exactly.

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You couldn't, honestly, I couldn't pay somebody

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to demonstrate things more perfectly.

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I'm not paying him. But

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he's like, everyone is selfish. But

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I think, Steph, you would be providing all

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of your wisdom and knowledge for the betterment

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of humanity in a selfless fashion. That's

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beautiful, man. Oh, everyone's

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selfish. Steph, I'm going to appeal to

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your selflessness. Damn

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it. That is glorious

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and gorgeous and absolutely

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very, very funny. Yeah,

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the employees as well. Yeah. I

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mean, this is where we're getting all of these wonderful, wonderful

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things from. So that is, I mean,

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do you understand? Like you see these,

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these absolute, absolutely

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sad and pitiful and

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obvious manipulations,

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right? Everyone

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is self-interested, he says. Correct.

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Anyone who states anything else is evil. So

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anyone who says that

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selfless, anyone who says that

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a human being can be selfless is evil. And

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then he says, Steph, you should selflessly

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provide all of your philosophical wisdom for

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the betterment of humanity for nothing. He

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doesn't even notice, probably doesn't even notice, probably

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doesn't even notice. So

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anyone, if this guy says anyone who

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claims there's such a thing as selflessness is evil.

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And then he tries to appeal to my selflessness.

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No, I'm sorry. I

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can't, I know I'm laughing. I know that there's a lot

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of, there's a lot

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of personal agony in this, right? This

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is somebody and, you know, know, with all seriousness, I

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mean, this is a person who was

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absolutely tragically and catastrophically exploited

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as a child. And

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he had to internalize that

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everyone is selfish in order to survive how terribly

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he was abused as a child. So,

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I mean, philosophically, it's funny. Psychologically,

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I mean, it's absolutely, absolutely

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tragic. Absolutely

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tragic. Funny how

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he calls out E-Shaming and mockingly calls you Steffy.

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Is that what did he call me that? I

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don't particularly care, but maybe

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I, maybe I missed that.

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What did he say? Oh,

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yeah, Steffy. Yeah, he did.

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You're a Steffy. Oh, that's such

18:47

a philosophical argument. Steff,

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you have no feelings, don't you know? The

18:54

spirit is willing to bank less so. I

19:02

was listening to some of your very early podcasts while I

19:04

was on a long road trip. The

19:06

content was great. The sound quality was entertaining. Your car

19:08

signals and other noises were keeping me on edge at

19:10

times. Yeah, it's like Friends of

19:12

Mr. Cairo by John and Vangelis, which starts

19:14

with a siren and a car crash. Don't

19:16

listen to that necessarily in your road. Sounds

19:22

like my workplace. Work extra hours for no additional

19:24

pay. No, it's worse than your workplace. This is

19:26

like work for me for free. All right.

19:30

Steff, I haven't found a dedicated show

19:32

on or summation on dissociation. Was

19:36

dissociation self-distraction something you have dealt with? Is

19:38

it the same as procrastination, which of course

19:40

you do have a classic solo show on?

19:43

Thanks. So

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I'm here to solve selfishness

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and dissociation. That's

19:52

the plan. That's fine. That's

19:54

a fine plan. That's a fine plan. I

19:57

don't deal too much with dissociation. I

20:03

now get back to the selfish side. Somebody says, I had friends

20:05

like this. Now that most of my old friend grew up in

20:07

the late 30s and early 40s, I can see that the ones

20:09

who thought the worst of humanity when we

20:11

were teens are miserable and or drug addicted now.

20:14

And they have nothing but excuses and even have an edge

20:16

of malevolence towards people who are doing well. Oh

20:19

yeah. Oh yeah. That's very rare. It

20:22

was very dangerous. It's so rare to come across a

20:24

trawl around this community. Somebody

20:27

says, how do you know when people are lying to you?

20:31

I'm doing a volunteer work for

20:33

people who are addicts. How do I sniff out

20:35

lies and manipulations from addicts to get the medication

20:37

they want? How do I distinguish between a genuine

20:39

request and an untruthful

20:41

one? So I'm here to solve

20:43

selfishness, dissociation, and lying. All

20:47

right. Challenge accepted. Bonjour,

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stephon. Caught

20:52

you live on my way to church. And to be honest,

20:54

your sermons are 300% better than my priests. Well,

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thank you. I appreciate that. I

20:59

appreciate that. E-begging

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an old favorite, eh? Am I selfish to

21:03

expect to be paid to slap on the uniform and expect to be

21:06

paid to go to work? Landlord's utilities grocery

21:08

stores have this weird hang up about actually being given

21:10

money. Or should money be in quotes,

21:12

digital representations of fiat currency? But you get the

21:14

point. Yes, yes,

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yes. It is

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tough when people ask for

21:21

reciprocity. It challenges people's desire

21:23

and willingness. You're not doing this to exploit others,

21:28

right? Thank you, Sol H.

21:30

I appreciate that. Steffie

21:36

is a term of endearment. No,

21:39

that's just a lie. Because

21:41

if you are fond of me, then you

21:43

wouldn't say, has the e-shaming started yet? So

21:46

you're just a liar. And I really sympathize

21:48

with that. Like what a terrible childhood and

21:50

what a terrible life you must have to

21:53

just automatically and reflexively go to lying

21:55

your freaking teeth off. Like that's really tough. It's

21:59

really tough. So,

22:02

he says, Steffi is a term of endearment,

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when right after he called me Steffi, he

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said, has the e-shaming started yet? So,

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like I'm sorry, you're in

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the place in life where you just

22:16

lie in the moment to

22:18

have some petty, retarded victory

22:20

in the moment. It's really sad. I'm really

22:22

sad. You know, freedomain.com/call.

22:26

freedomain.com/call. You can help out. Move

22:28

back in with your mom and do the show for free. Oh,

22:32

yes, I'm afraid that wouldn't be free. That wouldn't

22:34

be free. I hear what you're saying, right? That's

22:38

pretty funny. All

22:40

right. Runnable

22:43

sounds kind of like Barbie, maybe. Maybe,

22:46

maybe. All

22:48

right. So, let's get back to selfishness. If

22:56

you grow up with parents who exploit you, then

22:59

you have a big problem. Are

23:02

my parents immoral or is everyone like

23:04

that? Are

23:08

my parents immoral or

23:11

is everyone like that? So,

23:17

how did I escape what my parents did

23:19

to me? Because

23:23

I did not ascribe their behavior

23:27

to anything other than their own

23:29

individual choices. Oh,

23:32

you got to get the deep drilling of this, man. I

23:35

did this in a call in yesterday. I'll release it

23:37

at some point with a fellow who had gone through

23:39

a terrible divorce. So,

23:43

my mother was

23:45

violent and mystical and is, I'm

23:47

sure, still. And

23:51

why was she that way? Why

23:54

was she that way? Now, if

23:57

I were to say, that's

23:59

female nature. Well, I

24:01

can never fall in love with a woman, right? If

24:04

I say, well, that's how parents

24:06

are, then I would be given myself

24:08

permission to be an a-hole parent. If

24:13

I say, well, it was capitalism

24:15

that forced her to try to work, well,

24:18

then I turn into a totalitarian socialist

24:21

and endanger the lives of

24:23

hundreds of millions of people. And in fact,

24:25

we'll get tens of millions of people

24:27

killed, which is what happens under socialism and

24:29

communism. If

24:32

I were to say, well, she was a single

24:34

mother and, you know, excuses all my father betrayed

24:36

her and she was a victim and blah, blah,

24:38

blah, blah, blah, then I'm going to

24:40

have a soft spot and a sympathetic spot

24:42

for abusive women

24:44

because they're victims, right? So if

24:46

I am going to try and

24:49

ascribe any causality to my mother's

24:51

immorality, then that

24:54

shit sticks to me like burrs on an elk

24:56

and follows me wherever I go and

24:58

grows in my soul until it eats my

25:00

soul whole. Straight

25:06

up facts. So

25:08

if you grow up with selfish parents, you

25:11

have a question. Are my parents

25:13

immoral as

25:16

individuals or is

25:19

there some external causality to what

25:22

they do? The point of free will is

25:24

there is no external causality. That's

25:27

the point of free will. If it's external

25:29

causality, it's not free will, right? You

25:32

can choose to push someone off a cliff. That's

25:34

a choice. That person cannot choose whether or

25:36

not to fall. They don't sort of scamper

25:38

in the air Flintstone style. So,

25:49

are my

25:51

parents immoral as

25:54

the result of some external

25:56

category? External? Well,

25:58

they were stressed. Okay

26:01

so if you say people can be

26:03

immoral when they're stressed or that's an

26:05

explanation or an excuse. What

26:08

happens to you when you're stressed you

26:10

can be an asshole. To

26:12

people my parents were bad because they

26:14

were stressed oh no i'm stressed okay

26:16

right. Permission

26:20

slips to others are command

26:23

orders to you. Whatever

26:25

you excuse in others you order

26:27

for yourself. Excuses

26:30

for others are train tracks for you you lose your

26:32

free will. Because you're taking

26:34

away free will from others by giving them external

26:37

causes for their decisions and therefore you have destroyed

26:39

your own free will. And

26:41

you become an easily programmed

26:43

n. See.

26:51

You're alone your ABCs and you

26:53

learn your NPCs. So

26:58

if your parents are selfish. Can

27:01

you say my parents. Made

27:04

the choice to be selfish it's individual

27:06

to them it's not in the category

27:08

of male female parent modern life capitalism.

27:11

Determinism external

27:14

factors stress maybe they had medical

27:16

problems made the financial problems it

27:18

no. They made the

27:21

choice they made the choice. They

27:26

made the choice it's specific to them. And

27:29

it speaks to nothing wider or deeper or more

27:32

broad or more general about humanity as a whole

27:34

it was them as choices so

27:37

my mother made bad choices. My

27:40

father made bad choices. It

27:44

was specific to them it speaks nothing

27:48

to humanity marriage masculinity

27:51

femininity stressed modern world

27:53

capitalism. It speaks nothing to

27:55

any of those things. Nothing.

28:00

Nothing. So

28:08

if you have selfish parents, what's your

28:10

choice? Do

28:12

you say, my parents made bad choices and

28:15

they chose to be selfish and

28:17

it was specific and individual to them? Ooh,

28:20

that's painful. If

28:25

your parents were corrupt, violent,

28:28

neglectful, abusive, immoral, looking

28:33

at them and saying, you

28:36

are bad people making

28:39

bad choices. Well,

28:42

of course, what's the other external factor

28:45

that people always claim? And

28:48

you've heard it a million times on these shows and

28:50

calling shows and other places. What is the other external

28:52

factor that people, it's the most common external factor that

28:55

people claim as to why their

28:57

parents did bad things? Why did

28:59

mommy and daddy do bad things? What

29:01

is the external

29:04

factor? That

29:10

is the most common external

29:12

factor to explain away bad

29:15

parental behavior. While

29:24

we're waiting for that, let's check in with our good friend, Runnable. He

29:29

says, all my comments are my opinions. Nope, they're

29:31

not. You're claiming universal facts about human nature. So

29:33

that's just

29:36

another lie, I'm afraid. No

29:41

one has free will, human brain, is

29:43

structural entity with design behavior. Steph

29:49

was not loved by his mommy and his

29:51

spurned owner, abandoned him, and now

29:53

spends his time on the web seeking

29:55

universal love. Oh,

29:57

so cheap psychologizing. So he says...

30:00

Nobody has free will, and yet he says

30:02

that my behavior is bad because I'm e-shaming.

30:07

Again, it's just nothing but

30:09

contradictions and there's a lot of rage

30:11

down here. It's very toxic and maybe

30:13

in fact unrecoverable for the person. I

30:16

mean, if he's been like this for a long time, there's

30:18

probably nothing left. So

30:25

as to what is the most common way

30:27

that children explain their parents' bad behavior? They had a

30:30

bad childhood? No, because you don't know that usually as

30:32

a kid. They didn't have it

30:34

easy themselves. Their parents, they had it worse. They had

30:36

it worse. My parents did it too. All

30:42

right. This troll taking away from good meaningful

30:44

conversations? No, no, I don't think so. I don't think

30:46

so. This is very, very important. Somebody

30:49

says, I asked my father why he initiated the divorce and

30:51

it pretty much came down to him being sick of our

30:53

mother talking down to him and nagging him. To a plop

30:55

our whole family because he couldn't take it anymore. Thanks dad.

30:58

Yes. We're getting there. We're

31:01

getting there. Yes. This person wins

31:05

the prize. This

31:10

person wins the prize. What

31:14

is it? Kaylee.

31:17

Callee. Yes.

31:20

The most common explanation for

31:23

immoral parenting is I

31:27

was a wild kid. I was a bad kid. I

31:30

provoked them. I didn't listen. I

31:32

got a fella with a bad crowd. I

31:34

didn't study at school. I write the

31:36

most common explanation as

31:39

to why parents are immoral is

31:41

that you, the child, were bad.

31:47

Right? Now

31:51

you, the child, were bad. I

31:54

was a difficult child. I

32:00

was a difficult child. So

32:06

the funny thing is this person as well, runnable, this, it

32:08

means a bit of a troll, right? And

32:10

now spends his time on the web seeking universal love. So,

32:14

do you think I've been

32:16

successful in just being loved by the world, if

32:18

what it is that I do? Doesn't

32:21

everyone just love me so much? Because,

32:23

you know, I just clearly, I mean, I'm

32:26

just needing the universal love because I wasn't

32:28

loved by mommy and daddy. So clearly I've

32:30

been excellent out here trying

32:32

to get universal love. You know, you can just

32:34

read what people say about me and you can

32:37

see all the love come pouring in. Yeah,

32:40

people say I gave my mother such a hard time as

32:42

a kid. I didn't listen, I was a wild kid and

32:45

all of that, right? Why

32:47

was my mother bad? Well, my mother was only

32:49

reacting to my badness which made her good. She

32:52

was trying to control and manage my badness, right?

32:55

And that's the problem, right? And

32:59

that's the problem. I was the problem, my mother wasn't

33:02

the problem. So

33:07

then it's not my mother who was selfish and abusive, it

33:09

was me who was bad and disobedient. If

33:18

you want to be universally loved, give money away. Well,

33:22

I understand what you're saying, but it's

33:24

not real, right? It's

33:27

not real. You

33:31

give money away, you just create dependence and

33:33

resentment and

33:35

you break people. Yeah,

33:47

and see what happens when you stop. Our

33:52

trial says most parents do not care about,

33:55

do not care, most kids are accidents of social

33:57

conditioning and lack of sexual discipline. But

34:01

if people have no free will, you

34:04

can't have a lack of sexual discipline. I

34:07

don't consider an amoeba performing mitosis

34:10

or meiosis to have a lack of sexual

34:12

discipline. It's funny, right? It's

34:14

funny. James

34:19

says, I once commented on my father's rather constant

34:21

angry tirades and he claimed it was righteous anger,

34:23

meaning of course I was bad. Lots of ways

34:26

to say it. Yeah, for sure. It was

34:28

righteous anger. Yeah. My

34:31

mother refused to admit that

34:33

she did anything wrong and when it became

34:35

absolutely inescapable, it was the fault

34:37

of her doctors who poisoned her and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

34:39

right? Epstein

34:42

Barr, chronic fatigue, you know, the whole

34:45

trotting out of stuff by

34:48

which she takes no responsibility and people

34:52

who don't take responsibility are some of the

34:54

most toxic environmental toxins

34:57

around. I

35:03

took my four month old to see my husband's relatives. Says

35:06

this woman. The first thing they asked

35:08

me is if she was being good. What does

35:10

that mean for a four month old? Then they

35:13

said my husband was a nightmare when he was little. Right.

35:21

Right. Yes. I'm

35:28

sorry about that. I'm not

35:30

sure. I personally wouldn't

35:33

have my child around. People

35:36

who thought that four months old could be immoral and would

35:38

need to be punished, I wouldn't have my child in that

35:40

environment at all. Any

35:42

more than I'd enjoy somebody

35:45

blowing cigar smoke up the nose of my baby.

35:47

Like no thanks. No

35:49

thank you. Oh yeah.

35:51

Don't forget peacefulparenting.com. I put it right here.

35:54

peacefulparenting.com. Explanations

36:01

versus excuses reasons is difficult for me at the

36:03

moment to fully understand. I remember you saying you

36:05

were an absolutist and not accepting excuses and agree

36:07

that's the proper approach. Yes.

36:11

Yes. Yes. A

36:15

stimulus response, right? Now

36:21

I don't particularly mind if

36:23

people say there's no such thing as better

36:25

behavior, good or bad, right or wrong, unless

36:28

they're hypocrites. So

36:36

if you say, well, I did

36:38

the best I could with the knowledge I had

36:41

as a parent, then you obviously never punished your

36:43

children because they're doing the best they can with

36:45

the knowledge they had as children. Right?

36:48

So what happens, the problem is when

36:51

you inflict brutal absolutes on your children

36:53

regarding good and bad behavior, but

36:55

then when you get criticized for

36:57

your bad behavior, you have all the excuses

36:59

in the known universe. Right? So

37:02

your children get no excuses, but you as a parent

37:05

get excuses. That I

37:07

can't do. That I can't do. That

37:14

I can't do. That

37:16

I won't support. So

37:32

he's very fascinating. He's

37:34

very fascinating. The irony of Steffy gets

37:37

divorced and needs to move in with his mother.

37:43

I will tell you this for absolutely certain. I

37:45

will never get divorced and I'm never moving back

37:47

in with my mother. I

37:50

can tell you this for absolutely certain. I'd rather

37:52

live under a bridge. selfish,

38:00

they say everyone is selfish and anyone who

38:02

denies it is a hypocrite. Everyone is selfish

38:04

and everyone who denies

38:06

that is a lying and a hypocrite. So

38:08

I, this is what they say, I know

38:10

the true depth and core and reality of

38:13

humanity and

38:19

anybody who claims otherwise is

38:22

a fool and a liar. So

38:24

it'd be like if you came

38:26

across someone with a snake oil

38:29

with some fake cure and this

38:31

person said, drink

38:33

my happy

38:35

juice and you'll be immortal. Drink

38:39

my happy juice and you'll be immortal.

38:41

Now of course you know that human beings are immortal,

38:43

we die, and

38:45

you don't get immortality from

38:52

a little bottle of questionable liquid and

38:55

you end it out from the back of a windowless van in a

38:57

walnut parking lot. Why

39:04

do people use irritating pet names? My brother tries that and

39:06

drives me up the wall. Irritating

39:08

pet names are there to attempt

39:10

to provoke your inner child. Right.

39:12

So they, they're Steffi, uh, you

39:14

know, uh, is, is a

39:16

term that is designed to make me feel

39:18

young and helpless and they're big and powerful,

39:22

right? It's like when people come in and

39:24

say, so kids, you know, like they're just

39:26

trying to program you to respond in

39:28

a helpless and infantile manner while they

39:30

get all the power. It's really pathetic

39:33

and a transparent ploy of,

39:35

of power grabbing. Right.

39:42

Right. So

39:46

if you saw

39:49

someone or someone came to you and said,

39:51

Oh, I'm just about to go and spend

39:53

a thousand dollars on this little

39:55

bottle of sparkly liquid. It's going to make

39:57

me immortal. You would say that's a con.

40:00

People are mortal and you don't get immortality

40:02

by spending a thousand bucks buying

40:05

some sparkly liquid at the back of a

40:07

van in Walmart parking lot. Right

40:10

so you understand. For

40:16

cynics and selfishness

40:18

that is justified is just cynicism

40:21

so for cynics. All

40:23

claims to virtue independence free

40:25

will integrity love beauty truth

40:28

all claims to a positive

40:30

state are the

40:32

offering of immortality. For

40:35

a thousand bucks. It's a con.

40:39

The fact is according to the cynics

40:41

human beings are terrible and

40:43

the most terrible people are the ones

40:45

claiming otherwise. Human

40:50

beings are mortal and anyone trying to sell

40:52

you immortality is calling you. Right

40:56

human beings are terrible and anyone trying

40:58

to sell you virtue is calling you.

41:02

They reserve their greatest cynical

41:05

attacks. To

41:09

those who claim the cynicism is

41:11

a state of mind that is

41:13

erroneous to human nature is false

41:16

is wrong. So

41:19

selfish people say selfishness is like mortality

41:21

anyone who tells you they can overcome

41:23

it is a con man stealing from

41:25

you by denying reality. Does

41:32

that make sense. Kind

41:38

of like when my older sister would send my brother

41:41

into an emasculated rage by dressing him as princess when

41:43

we were kids. Yes,

41:47

yes, that's not very pretty at

41:49

all. Thank

41:52

you see to spark

41:54

I appreciate that that's very kind. So,

42:11

the

42:14

cynics

42:17

believe in

42:20

selfishness as an

42:22

essential characteristic of humanity in the same

42:25

way that you accept mortality as

42:30

an essential aspect of humanity. It

42:33

is true. Emasculation

42:37

tests are funny when you are confident in

42:40

yourself. Yeah, they are.

42:46

My mother-in-law uses the term boy and I've had to

42:48

explain why I don't like that term for me as

42:50

a man. Oh gosh,

42:53

I'm sorry about that. Somebody

42:58

says, you can claim being a faithful Christian is

43:00

only something I do because it makes me happy

43:02

versus not doing it. Is that selfless or selfish?

43:05

I know of no other reason to be good, but

43:07

because we want to be good. How one

43:09

should define that sounds like a subject for an essay

43:12

by psychologists and moral philosophers. I don't know if it

43:14

is practical to talk about. She'll

43:23

say the term boy is a term of entombment.

43:25

Well then, just refer to her as check. Hey,

43:27

check, how's it going? Hey, chickie poo, how

43:29

are you? Right. And she'll bristle at

43:31

the disrespect, obviously, right? It's like, wait, sorry, you

43:33

call me boy. I call you check. What's wrong

43:36

with that? Oh,

43:38

it's different. All right.

43:51

Oh, you used bitch actually. That

43:54

might be slightly more aggressive than boy, but

43:56

all right. Okay. So yeah,

43:58

I hope we've gotten. as far as selfishness

44:00

goes, nope, they're not selfish. They don't, they

44:03

don't view themselves as selfish. They

44:05

just view everyone as selfish and

44:07

anyone who claims otherwise is

44:11

both selfish and an exploitive liar. All

44:13

right. Seth,

44:15

I haven't found a dedicated show or

44:17

summation of dissociation. Was dissociation or self-distraction

44:19

something you have dealt with? Is it

44:21

the same as procrastination? Which

44:24

of course you do have a classic solo

44:26

show on. Thanks. No, procrastination and dissociation are

44:28

not the same thing. Dissociation

44:31

results from impossibility.

44:36

Dissociation results from you

44:38

cannot figure out how to give

44:41

the right answer to avoid being

44:43

brutalized or attacked or punished or

44:45

abused or neglected or something like

44:47

that. Right. Dissociation

44:50

is when you are put

44:52

in impossible situations.

44:58

There's no right outcome. There's no good outcome.

45:01

There's no correct answer. And

45:03

therefore what is demanded is that you

45:05

cease to exist. It is a form

45:07

not of abuse in particular, but of

45:10

what Sheingold used to call soul murder. You

45:17

can't win. So I've mentioned this before.

45:19

My mother would give me confusing

45:22

instructions very rapidly and

45:26

then she would expect something to be done to

45:28

perfection. Now,

45:32

giving people, giving, I mean, this would

45:35

happen when I was six, seven, eight

45:37

years old and onwards. So being given

45:39

confused instructions. Yeah.

45:43

I need you to carry the plates from here and wash them here

45:45

and put them over here and then put the spoons in over there

45:47

and then do this, then do like all of this stuff, right? All

45:49

these confusing instructions rapidly delivered.

45:53

And I wouldn't know what to do. So, of

45:55

course, if you don't know what to do, normally

45:57

the same sensible thing

46:00

to do is to go and say, I'm sorry,

46:02

I didn't, I'm going to write this down or I couldn't figure this

46:04

out or whatever. Right. So

46:09

I would try

46:11

to do it. I, and she's like, you're doing it wrong. It's

46:13

like, well, I, I'm sorry. I don't quite remember. Well, why weren't

46:16

you listening? Just do it. Right.

46:20

So I could, and if I did ask

46:22

for clarification, eventually she might grudgingly give it

46:25

fine. Okay. I'll tell you

46:27

again. And then she'd run through it even faster. Right.

46:31

You know, so you can't, you can't

46:33

win in that situation. You can't complete the task.

46:35

You can't ask for help. You

46:38

can't ask for clarification. You can't ask

46:40

for repetition and

46:43

you can't complete the task. It's an impossible situation. So

46:45

what do you do? You can't, you

46:47

can't win. Right. I remember

46:49

reading this book and if anybody ever figures

46:51

out the title, let me know. It was a book

46:54

about a woman, a girl, a teenage girl, she was

46:56

in high school and she had

46:58

an eating disorder. And

47:01

the eating disorder came about because

47:04

of an impossible situation. So she

47:06

was late going to her math class. She was almost at

47:08

the math class and she

47:10

realized she'd left her math textbook in her

47:12

locker and so she

47:14

could not go to the math class without her textbook

47:16

cause she'd be punished. But if she went back to get

47:19

her in math textbook from her locker, then she would be

47:21

punished for being late. And

47:24

so she basically just had a mental breakdown and

47:27

sat against, and slouched against the

47:30

wall and stopped. The

47:34

object was to fail the task. The

47:37

object was to put me in an

47:39

impossible situation so that

47:41

I could have no trust

47:44

in myself. I

47:52

mean, the law is like this, right? I mean, I write

47:54

about this with the

47:56

lawyer in my novel, The Future, which

47:59

you should really check out. at freedomain.com/books.

48:03

But I write about this, the law is like

48:05

that. I mean, you have hundreds of law books

48:08

which often contradict each other and you have to

48:10

obey the law. Now,

48:12

totalitarianism is not strict laws, it's

48:15

random laws. Enforcement

48:19

for our enemies, avoidance

48:21

and forgiveness for our friends. Yeah,

48:25

they give instructions that are unclear, get mad when you ask for

48:27

clarification after you're done, they say you didn't do it right. Right?

48:32

And say, I'll just do it. The

48:34

goal is to make you feel stupid

48:37

and incompetent, right? So

48:42

that they can feel better by

48:44

being quote smarter and

48:47

more efficient than a confused six year

48:49

old. My

48:58

somebody says my dad would always freak out at me for

49:00

not knowing something I was never taught. And I would tell

49:02

him that and he would get more mad that

49:05

I would even ask how right. So

49:08

the guy I was talking to last night at

49:11

two very powerful call in shows yesterday, one with

49:13

a guy who'd gone through a brutal, brutal divorce.

49:15

And we had to sort of figure out why.

49:17

And the other was a guy who lost

49:21

millions of dollars in crypto and ended up

49:23

in debt in his early 20s. It was

49:25

wild. What a conversation that was to try

49:27

and dig into why he

49:29

did all of that. It's not accidental.

49:34

So for instance, this guy, the Australian guy

49:36

was talking to yesterday, I'm not exactly

49:39

outing him because the accents right there, but

49:44

he, his

49:48

father would

49:50

say to him, only an idiot makes

49:53

the same mistake twice. Right?

49:56

If he did something wrong or what? Only an

49:59

idiot makes the same mistake. twice. And

50:04

yet he also said that his father

50:06

had endless arguments, tens of thousands of

50:08

stupid pointless petty fights with

50:11

his wife. Only an idiot

50:13

makes the same mistake twice. Then

50:17

why do you keep arguing with your wife when it

50:19

goes nowhere, right? It's just all these wild contradictions, right?

50:22

Just wild contradictions. So dissociation

50:25

occurs when you can't

50:28

win. It

50:31

you cannot cannot cannot win. There is

50:33

no good answer. It's impossible. You

50:35

can't go into the math class without your textbook, but

50:38

you can't go back and get your textbook because

50:41

then you'll be late and be punished for that. There's

50:44

no winning. You can't win. So

50:48

when you can't win, you

50:50

dissociate. Now,

50:57

I mean, what was helpful with my

50:59

mother in particular was that she was such an

51:01

obvious failure at life that I just couldn't take

51:03

anything. She said, seriously, it's a lot tougher for

51:06

the kids who have a high

51:09

functioning abusers, like, you know, the lawyers and

51:11

doctors and like the high functioning, lots of

51:14

social setups, right? All

51:27

right. Let

51:33

me just get you. He's still doing his stuff here, right?

51:41

I think sometimes parents are so focused on taking

51:43

care of things around the children that the children

51:45

have no concept that the parents are short and

51:48

nonthinking towards the children. I

51:52

don't quite follow that. So,

51:54

yeah, dissociation is when there's

51:57

no possible way to

51:59

win. So,

52:02

it's a really great actor who plays

52:04

Maximus in the

52:07

prime show Fallout. And

52:12

he is dragged in to be interrogated

52:14

and he is just frozen because

52:16

he doesn't know the right answer to not get killed

52:19

or punished or ostracized

52:22

or which I guess is being killed. And

52:24

he just is

52:27

frozen. And

52:32

he's just frozen because

52:35

there's no way and you don't know what to say. There

52:41

was a, what is it, some

52:43

Castle Wolfenstein video game where this,

52:45

you know, evil German SS Nazi

52:47

woman is putting these pictures down

52:49

and tell me what you see and you don't know what

52:51

the answer is, you don't know what she's looking for. And

53:00

of course later on somebody says, these pictures are

53:02

meaningless, she's not looking for anything, there's no winning,

53:05

there's no right. Somebody

53:09

says, I can attest to that, my dad was pretty successful

53:11

in high intelligence. My

53:14

dad was successful in many ways in his career, got

53:16

a PhD and was a geologist. An

53:19

impossible situation is right, or at least it

53:21

currently feels that way. Shit. I need to

53:23

schedule a private call in. Thanks, Steph. Free

53:26

to main.com/call. Happy to help. I

53:29

might have to book a little ways down. It's

53:31

a lot of

53:33

people want those, which I appreciate. So

53:41

does that make sense for dissociation? When

53:48

you are dissociating, you're in a situation where

53:51

you can't win, can't navigate. And we're not designed

53:53

for that. We're designed for action. We're designed to

53:55

solve problems, get things right, get things sorted, and

53:58

you can't eat. In

54:01

your book, the present, the majority of the people just sit

54:03

down and wait. Is

54:05

this dissociation? Yeah.

54:16

You know, you'd be surprised, I

54:18

think you'd be surprised, at the

54:20

number of people who don't really

54:22

want to live. They

54:28

don't really enjoy life. Life

54:31

is a burden. Life

54:37

is pain and more pain.

54:44

They have an undertow of

54:46

despair, depression,

54:48

and they're hunted eternally across

54:50

the bleak landscape of their

54:53

bad decisions by an unfucking,

54:56

relenting conscience. They're

55:00

restless, they can't relax, they need constant stimulation,

55:02

they need to go out, they can't sit

55:04

home alone, they have to

55:06

watch something, read something, scroll something, play

55:08

video games, pornography, dating, they

55:10

have to do something, anything, because

55:13

the questing beast

55:15

of their own conscience is hunting them

55:17

forever and ever, amen. You'd

55:19

be absolutely shocked,

55:22

I think deep down, if

55:26

you knew how many people don't

55:31

really want to live.

55:35

This is why I don't mess with anyone in traffic. Oh yeah. I

55:38

assume that everyone in traffic is drunk and on

55:40

their phone. Yeah.

55:52

Somebody says, yes, since the suicide of my brother

55:54

confronting my parents truly feels impossible I think it

55:56

would kill them, they'd probably dissociate more than me.

56:00

be the dissociation and the lack of

56:02

bonding that may have led to your

56:04

brother suicide, of course, I don't know, but it could be

56:06

something like that. Now

56:13

how do you know if somebody

56:15

has a Thanatos, if they

56:17

have a death wish? How do you know if

56:19

somebody kind of wants to die? Would

56:23

you like a quick tip for that? Would

56:26

that be helpful? Again, I want to

56:29

provide maximum value to you all. How

56:36

do you know if

56:38

somebody has an impulse

56:44

for unaliving their

56:47

health? That can be part of it, for sure,

56:49

but that's a bit of a vicious circle because the more

56:52

the poorer someone's health, the

56:55

more they... Half

56:58

in love with easeful death. Have you ever heard that phrase?

57:01

Half in love with

57:04

easeful death. This

57:06

was a sort of Sorry, it's a Wuther thing from Goethe.

57:09

Half in love with easeful death. Let me just get

57:12

the quote here. Ode

57:14

to a Nightingale. It's a very famous poem. Darkling

57:22

I listen, and for

57:25

many a time I have

57:27

been half in love with easeful

57:29

death, called him soft

57:31

names in many a musred rhyme.

57:34

To take into the air

57:36

my quiet breath. Now

57:39

more than ever it seems it... Sorry,

57:41

now more than ever it seems it

57:43

rich to die. To cease

57:46

upon the midnight with no pain.

57:50

While thou art pouring forth

57:52

thy soul abroad in such

57:54

ecstasy. Still which thou sing, and

57:59

I have ears in vain. to thy

58:01

high requiem become a sod is

58:03

going to the ground, half

58:06

in love with easeful death. How

58:13

do you know when people don't

58:16

really want to live?

58:26

Do you know the Guns N' Roses song Coma? I

58:29

can't get past the singer, man. Sorry. Lyric, I

58:31

kind of like it in a coma. I

58:33

don't think I ever want to go back. Quiet whisper.

58:35

I never really wanted to live. Right. If

58:40

they do crazy things like jump off airplanes, risky

58:42

behavior, yep, that certainly isn't. That's

58:48

my thought to and why I feel I can't bring it

58:50

up. Oh, this is regarding your brother's suicide. I also feel

58:52

like I have this death wish at times. You stupid things

58:54

all the time. Better for a call in. Thanks again. Please

58:57

call in. Please call in. Pauline

59:00

says, I wish you and your delightful family a very good

59:02

Sunday. I'll keep you in my prayers since you're a very

59:04

important part of my life. I have embarked on this very

59:07

difficult quest to find truth and meaning. You opened my eyes

59:09

on my heart. I owe you so much. Merci from the

59:11

bottom of my heart, mon ami. Oh, thank you. Pauline,

59:14

that's lovely. I appreciate that. The

59:25

I can't win for dissociation is so simple and useful.

59:27

Thank you. Amazingly,

59:30

the best thing that helped me overcome dissociation

59:32

was reading about pickup artists using agree and

59:34

amplify tactic. Drugs or drowning

59:36

out their conscience with lies and delusion that

59:39

can certainly be it. All

59:45

right. Do you guys mind if we

59:47

do a quick politics flyby? Ooh, am

59:50

I breaking my vow? It's

59:53

so relevant to the conversation. I don't know if

59:55

you'd be interested in a

59:57

quick politics flyby. Hit

1:00:06

me with a Y if you'd like. Just a quick

1:00:08

brush past. The

1:00:12

world of politics. Yes.

1:00:23

Okay. Well.

1:00:42

Do you know

1:00:46

how close the world is drifting towards

1:00:49

a world war? Right.

1:01:01

The provocations are immense. The

1:01:04

pressures are immense. Russia

1:01:06

seems to be unlikely to

1:01:09

be allowed to survive. And

1:01:12

we've got subs off Florida,

1:01:14

you've got troop

1:01:16

and in particular naval movements all over

1:01:18

the world. You've got China threatening Taiwan

1:01:21

even more intensely. I'm

1:01:23

Ukraine, of course, is continuing its blood

1:01:25

grind of human disassembly. So

1:01:38

why do you think people

1:01:40

aren't freaking out about this? Why

1:01:51

do you think people aren't freaking out about this?

1:01:56

It's a bit of a mystery, right? People freak

1:01:58

out about just about everything. these

1:02:01

days, except the potential

1:02:04

for a planetary war. Now,

1:02:16

for all of his faults, and Trump

1:02:18

has many, the

1:02:27

couple of years of peace under Trump was quite something, right?

1:02:31

So people, I mean, a lot of them were

1:02:33

undone by COVID for sure, which we'll talk

1:02:35

about another time. But why aren't people freaking

1:02:37

out about this? I don't believe there will

1:02:40

be a world war with nukes around. Are

1:02:50

they just associated? They feel like

1:02:53

they're not. They feel like they're not. Are

1:02:59

they just associated? They feel helpless, so

1:03:01

close their mind to it. Or

1:03:03

else maybe they desire the war. I

1:03:07

mean, I'm not saying everyone's going to get

1:03:10

nuked, right? Because the leaders don't want that,

1:03:12

but there's lots of ways to wage war.

1:03:14

That's how to nukes. You

1:03:23

know, the dark truth is a lot of people got excited

1:03:25

around COVID. Because their lives were

1:03:28

under stimulating. Why

1:03:31

aren't people freaking out about

1:03:35

the potential for significant

1:03:38

war? I

1:03:41

didn't Selective Service just expand to 26 in

1:03:43

the US. And

1:03:46

didn't it also start to include

1:03:48

women? Why

1:04:06

are people not freaking out? All

1:04:25

the people who sort of cheer on these

1:04:27

various regional conflicts and get behind and

1:04:30

flags and the bio and like they're

1:04:32

cheering on death and they're cheering on

1:04:34

mass slaughter. People

1:04:42

don't get social approval and get mocked for taking things

1:04:44

seriously. Keep the combat a show, sports and work gossip.

1:04:47

No, absolutely not. The

1:04:50

amount of moral hysteria that have charged

1:04:52

through society has been

1:04:54

endless. There are what? Racists

1:04:58

everywhere, homophobes everywhere, Islamophobes everywhere,

1:05:00

sexists everywhere. The amount of

1:05:02

moral hysteria in society. So

1:05:05

people, oh, they don't want to deal with

1:05:07

this. They don't want to deal with... No,

1:05:09

people are constantly charging around with

1:05:11

moral hysterias. So

1:05:19

it's not that they're not interested

1:05:22

in deeper things or morality or ethics

1:05:24

or virtue. So

1:05:49

you know the stories are that

1:05:53

people get more and more corrupt, false

1:05:56

immoral, bullying, vicious,

1:05:59

petty. and vain,

1:06:02

and then there is a

1:06:04

strike from the heavens, right?

1:06:08

Pillars of salt, airborne

1:06:12

diseases, or I guess

1:06:14

some places rat-borne diseases. There

1:06:19

is the rain that falls in the

1:06:21

time of Noah that

1:06:25

people summon death

1:06:27

and destruction from

1:06:29

the very skies, from the very

1:06:31

air, due to their corruption. Why

1:06:40

are people not freaking out? I

1:06:48

mean, they freak out about

1:06:51

every made-up piece of nonsense

1:06:53

about Trump and all

1:06:56

the various things that I talked about in my shows on

1:06:59

the untruths

1:07:02

about Donald Trump. You

1:07:06

know, that's a big question. I don't know

1:07:08

the answer, because I don't know

1:07:10

that people, if people had that degree of self-knowledge,

1:07:12

they probably wouldn't be in this state, half

1:07:15

in love with easeful death. I

1:07:20

mean, they were very pro-Hillary,

1:07:23

and Hillary wanted a war

1:07:26

with Russia, and she wanted a war with

1:07:28

Iraq, and she wanted more escalation, I think

1:07:30

it was, in

1:07:33

Syria, and

1:07:37

people were very pro-Hillary. Biden

1:07:41

was pretty clear about the aggression

1:07:43

that they wanted, and they

1:07:45

wouldn't negotiate, and they wanted to escalate. I mean,

1:07:49

in my view, there's no way the Ukraine war

1:07:53

happens under someone like Trump, because they would

1:07:55

have continued to talk about

1:07:58

expanding eastward, and Trump would have said, if

1:08:00

you expand eastward, I'm stopping funding NATO. It

1:08:04

would, I mean, in my view, right? I don't know for sure, but

1:08:06

that would be the appeal. It wouldn't happen. Immorality

1:08:22

creates a mind half in love with

1:08:24

easeful death. You

1:08:27

know, if we've all done wrong things in our

1:08:29

life and, you know, bad things in

1:08:31

our life, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say I know I have, right?

1:08:33

So, but the question

1:08:36

is, how do people live with

1:08:44

a bad

1:08:47

conscience? And

1:08:51

if you've ever known people with

1:08:54

a really bad conscience, the half

1:08:57

in love with easeful death, especially when... I

1:09:03

think deep down people know whether they can

1:09:05

fix their bad conscience. I

1:09:07

think they know that deep down. So,

1:09:22

if you've got another 40 years to go and

1:09:25

you kind of hate yourself, what

1:09:29

is your perspective on

1:09:31

disaster? You

1:09:34

know, to not be

1:09:36

at peace within your own mind

1:09:40

is an

1:09:42

absolute kind of torture that for those of

1:09:44

us who have, you know, I enjoy my

1:09:46

own company. If me and my

1:09:49

wife and I go out, I get there the day

1:09:51

or afternoon to myself. I

1:09:53

enjoy myself and

1:09:56

I'm happy to sit and think or listen

1:09:59

to music or... do nothing and

1:10:02

it's really nice. My mind is

1:10:04

a fun house. Like it's a lot of fun. I

1:10:06

have a good conscience about what I've done in the

1:10:08

world and I enjoy

1:10:13

my mind, my life. But

1:10:20

if you've ever known people who just

1:10:24

are never at peace, never at comfort,

1:10:27

they're just tense and justifying and vain

1:10:29

and aggressive and... Don't

1:10:39

underestimate the undertow of half in

1:10:41

love with useful death in

1:10:44

the world and maybe in your world too. Yeah,

1:10:53

like the end of the world stuff. It's very common.

1:10:56

It's common in cults, it's common in fundamentalist religions. The

1:10:58

end of the world stuff is very common. Why would

1:11:00

people be so keen on the

1:11:02

end of the world or so excited

1:11:04

and interested about that topic? Mike

1:11:07

Sinevitch talks about this, about how he was raised

1:11:09

with this sort of apocalyptic stuff. I

1:11:26

saw this absolutely brutal video

1:11:29

about the rich guys who

1:11:31

fled Ukraine and at the

1:11:33

end of it, one guy was moaning because

1:11:35

he was getting a blowjob and another guy

1:11:37

was dying in the battlefield and moaning because

1:11:39

he was bleeding out. It's just like, oh

1:11:41

my God, it's just horrifying. It's

1:11:44

just absolutely horrifying. Yeah,

1:11:50

so James says, in my childhood, I knew more than a

1:11:52

few abusive parents who were quite invested in Rapture and Apocalypse

1:11:55

expecting you to come every day. Yeah. And

1:11:58

I may cause I did all of the... shows

1:12:01

on Ukraine back in 2014, 2015,

1:12:04

and all of this stuff was predicted.

1:12:16

Most people

1:12:19

live lives of quiet desperation.

1:12:22

They're lonely, they're unloved,

1:12:26

they've given up on virtue, they're

1:12:28

surrounded by bad,

1:12:31

lazy, trashy, dissociated people, they

1:12:33

consume garbage food, they consume

1:12:36

garbage media, they're programmed, and

1:12:38

COVID broke people. COVID

1:12:42

broke people in

1:12:44

ways that will still be being

1:12:46

calculated a century from now, if

1:12:48

we're around to calculate it. COVID

1:12:58

showed so many people just how little a bond

1:13:00

they have with their fellow citizens, and how willing

1:13:03

and eager they were to

1:13:06

join with totalitarian forces against

1:13:10

their fellow citizens. That has broken people, and

1:13:13

I don't think they're coming back because nobody's

1:13:15

talking about it. I

1:13:18

mean, for people who are

1:13:20

hyper contracts, and I say this

1:13:23

with sympathy, right, it's a tough condition. People who are hyper

1:13:25

contracts, people who tend more

1:13:27

towards introversion or who have

1:13:29

elements of agoraphobia being

1:13:31

locked up for a couple of years, they're not coming

1:13:33

back. Yeah,

1:13:43

they're not coming back. Most

1:13:46

drug their conscience away with alcohol and weed,

1:13:48

crack television. There

1:13:50

is a war in their hearts that they

1:13:53

externalize via politics. Somebody

1:14:04

says, I think a work acquaintance has a death

1:14:06

impulse. One time he talked about if

1:14:08

he was going to go out, it would be through pills.

1:14:11

He constantly has to involve himself in petty conflicts in his

1:14:13

personal life to distract himself. He's an older guy, no kids

1:14:15

or family. Still takes COVID

1:14:17

boosters. And

1:14:29

of course, a

1:14:32

lot of people have

1:14:34

known children in their

1:14:36

social circle, their environment, within their

1:14:39

extended family or maybe even

1:14:41

closer. They've known children who are

1:14:43

being abused. They have all the sciences, all very,

1:14:45

very clear. They have absolutely known children who are

1:14:47

being abused. And

1:14:50

oof, man, if you don't do anything

1:14:55

about that, ooh, I'm sorry. Oh

1:14:59

my gosh. Yeah,

1:15:05

I cannot get over the glee people had to

1:15:08

have power over their fellow citizens. Yeah. When

1:15:23

people are unable

1:15:26

to correct their course and their course continually

1:15:28

leads to disaster. They're half in love

1:15:30

with disaster. In other words, disaster is

1:15:32

relief. See, people

1:15:34

often like an extremity of an external stimuli

1:15:36

because it takes them away from their own

1:15:38

conscience. Your conscience is

1:15:41

a quiet and insistent voice that

1:15:43

generally operates in silence. Conscience

1:15:48

needs to be optional because conscience throughout a lot

1:15:50

of human history would just get you killed. Right?

1:15:54

So conscience needs to be silenced for the

1:15:56

sake of survival, but it is insistent and

1:15:58

returns because conscience is the

1:16:00

universalization of the ethics we inflict and

1:16:03

we can destroy the conscience without

1:16:05

destroying our capacity for concepts and

1:16:08

universalization and abstraction which

1:16:10

is our essence of humanity and how we survive. So

1:16:25

conscience is. The

1:16:29

shadow cast by our greatest power

1:16:31

as humanity to universalize and conceptualize.

1:16:34

So we can't eliminate conscience it's wound

1:16:36

into our upb brain.

1:16:43

We can't destroy. Conscience

1:16:45

without destroying all of our concepts

1:16:47

because conscience is part of

1:16:50

that. Bound

1:16:53

together right. You

1:16:56

can't destroy our conscience but we do have to

1:16:59

be able to. Quieter

1:17:01

conscience in order to survive a

1:17:03

brutal and often hypocritical society. Do

1:17:07

most people even have a conscience looking at current

1:17:09

normie behavior have my doubts. There

1:17:11

are some people who don't have consciousness

1:17:14

of their conscience but conscience

1:17:16

is inescapable. Because

1:17:20

it is. Wound into

1:17:22

and bound into our universalization

1:17:24

and conceptualization as a whole.

1:17:28

I say human beings can't live without justifications.

1:17:32

They can't act morally without justifications.

1:17:36

Even the people who say well I'm just going

1:17:38

to take what I want and to help with everyone else

1:17:40

and to do what they will turn blah blah blah well

1:17:42

that's a moral thing everyone's like that only I'm just not

1:17:45

hypocritical about it so they're still doing what they do. And

1:17:59

I think. that covered

1:18:02

and people's response to covered. How's

1:18:07

the broken a lot of

1:18:09

people's identity. And

1:18:13

it's very tough because nobody's talking about

1:18:15

it. So

1:18:19

if there's some external drama. Then

1:18:23

this is why people pick fights with

1:18:25

each other and why, why husbands and

1:18:27

wives nag at each other. Why people

1:18:30

crap on their kids while people argue online

1:18:32

like this guy for like, why do they.

1:18:37

Why did they do all of that? To

1:18:40

quiet their conscience. That's what trolls

1:18:42

do. Trolls are trying to quiet their

1:18:45

conscience. So

1:18:53

yeah, it's I mean. Rather

1:18:56

than admit

1:18:58

that they've been

1:19:00

lied to about men, women will choose solitude.

1:19:06

How many families do you think are having

1:19:08

honest and direct conversations if

1:19:11

they were divided over the vaccine, let's say,

1:19:13

or divided over the danger of

1:19:15

covered. How many families do

1:19:17

you think are sitting down and saying, okay, we

1:19:19

gotta, we gotta talk about this. We gotta

1:19:21

deal with this. I don't want this being a barrier between

1:19:24

us going forward. Things got kind of crazy. Things got kind

1:19:26

of ugly. You know, you accused

1:19:28

me of killing grandma versus well, you just wanted

1:19:30

everyone to die because you were too selfish to

1:19:33

listen to science. Like how many families where

1:19:35

and a lot of families was split

1:19:37

man. Just

1:19:40

axed right down the middle and split into. And.

1:19:48

How many families. And

1:19:51

how many families are people sitting down and

1:19:54

saying, okay, listen, things got really, really bad. And

1:19:56

now we have more facts. We have more information.

1:19:58

We have more. data. And

1:20:02

we got to work this out. We got to sort this out.

1:20:04

Let's not get out from this table until we've come to some

1:20:06

kind of resolution.

1:20:13

How many people are processing, and I talked about this

1:20:15

the other day, how many people are processing that

1:20:18

they hated and feared and wish to

1:20:20

strip the rights from the unvaccinated, and

1:20:23

now the vast majority of people

1:20:25

are functionally unvaccinated because they're not taking the

1:20:27

boosters. And the effects of the

1:20:30

vaccines, as far as my amateur understanding

1:20:32

goes, were off four to six months

1:20:34

or whatever. So they're functionally, so they

1:20:36

functionally have become the people

1:20:38

that they claimed to hate and fear and love. How

1:20:44

many people are processing that they have become

1:20:46

what they hated, and

1:20:48

that's quite complex and needs to be talked about.

1:21:04

How many people are pros? How many reporters? How

1:21:06

many people in the media are like, we

1:21:09

kind of got in line there,

1:21:11

and it turns out that some skeptics had some

1:21:13

points. I've

1:21:18

not seen a story where there was reconciliation

1:21:20

post-COVID. I

1:21:25

wonder if that kind of story would get traction. Well,

1:21:29

it would. It would. But

1:21:34

people don't want to look in the mirror and say,

1:21:38

the last four years was kind of like

1:21:40

a test. And how did I do? Somebody

1:21:46

says, my family split on it, but now

1:21:48

it's a hidden topic that is never discussed.

1:21:50

The vaccine enjoys to spend significantly more time

1:21:52

in the hospital. Yeah,

1:22:06

it's rough, man. It's

1:22:10

rough. And

1:22:16

the parents, if the parents were

1:22:18

this way inclined, right? If

1:22:21

the parents who constantly told their kids,

1:22:23

you got to fess up if you did something wrong, I

1:22:26

won't be mad at you unless you don't tell me the truth. I

1:22:28

won't be mad if you tell me you lied to

1:22:30

me, I'd just be mad if you continue lying to me. You

1:22:33

got to tell me the truth, you got to do the right thing, you got to confess when

1:22:35

you did something wrong. How many of those people

1:22:37

who inflicted these standards on their children are following it

1:22:39

themselves? How

1:22:50

many people are saying to

1:22:52

the skeptics, you

1:22:54

might have had a point. So

1:23:03

if somebody says, how much of it has to do with

1:23:05

years of programming through parental abuse, television, and public school, have

1:23:07

people always been like this? I

1:23:10

don't care. Listen,

1:23:14

it's really, really important. Stop trying

1:23:16

to figure out causality from liars.

1:23:20

Stop it, stop it, stop it, I'm begging you, it

1:23:22

is a giant fucking

1:23:24

waste of time. Stop

1:23:28

trying to figure out

1:23:31

causality from people who will never tell you the

1:23:33

truth. If I

1:23:35

were to go to my mother and say, why did you do

1:23:37

what you did, she

1:23:39

will never tell me the truth. Because

1:23:45

if she was capable of processing the truth, she wouldn't have

1:23:47

done what she did. So,

1:23:51

say, oh well, well maybe people are doing it because of

1:23:53

propaganda, or maybe people are doing it because of this, or maybe

1:23:55

people are doing it because of the government. Everybody

1:23:59

gets responsible. responsibility, everybody. Everybody.

1:24:03

Do you know why? Because they demand the right to

1:24:05

vote. They

1:24:09

demand the right to vote and

1:24:11

so they get full responsibility. That's

1:24:15

just basic, the basic fact.

1:24:18

It's the basic fact. If you

1:24:20

say, I absolutely demand the

1:24:23

right to cast my vote and

1:24:25

determine the future morals, ethics, and distribution

1:24:28

of power and coercion within society, but then you

1:24:30

say, well, but you know, I was just a

1:24:32

helpless victim of propaganda. Well, you can't have both.

1:24:35

You can't. You

1:24:39

want independence, you want responsibility, you want the right to vote,

1:24:41

you want all of this, that, and the other, okay. Then

1:24:44

you can't say, well, but I'm a helpless pawn of the

1:24:46

media. Because

1:24:48

if you're helpless pawn of the media, logically, then

1:24:50

the voting makes no sense. But

1:24:53

no. I

1:24:57

want to vote. Okay, then

1:24:59

you're saying, I

1:25:02

think for myself and I'm not just helpless pawn of the

1:25:04

media. So yeah, and yeah, don't try

1:25:06

and figure out causality from people who

1:25:08

won't tell you the truth. Recently

1:25:15

been doing that, stopping the wondering of why abuse people in

1:25:17

my life did what they did. It doesn't matter and I'll

1:25:19

never get a straight answer. Yeah. Yeah.

1:25:25

You see,

1:25:32

here's the other thing, too. It's sort of like

1:25:34

saying to somebody dying of lung

1:25:38

cancer, who was a smoker, which cigarette

1:25:40

killed you? Right. I mean,

1:25:43

there was a cigarette. There is a cigarette that kills you. You

1:25:46

don't know which one it is. Right.

1:25:53

But there is a saying to the smoker,

1:25:55

well, which cigarette, which one, if you hadn't

1:25:57

smoked that cigarette, right? You'd have

1:25:59

lived. You smoked. cigarette now you're dying which

1:26:02

cigarette was that how can they answer that you

1:26:12

can't answer that see immorality

1:26:16

is very rarely one big

1:26:19

giant terrible awful wretched

1:26:21

decision like movies will give you that

1:26:23

stuff you know movies

1:26:27

will give you that stuff is one big

1:26:29

giant terrible moral decision do I go

1:26:31

with ob one can't be or not and you know

1:26:33

can I trust Han Solo or not or you know

1:26:36

like it but that's not the case it's

1:26:39

not the case how do people get fat

1:26:47

bit by bit bite by bite right

1:26:49

how do people end up with

1:26:54

muscle softness bit

1:26:57

by bit day by day so

1:27:05

how do people end up

1:27:07

corrupt everybody

1:27:10

thinks there's a big fiery devil that comes and

1:27:12

offers you something and takes your soul that's not

1:27:14

how it happens how

1:27:25

do people become corrupt bit

1:27:28

by bit little by little step by

1:27:30

step I wrote a whole poem about

1:27:32

this about the Holocaust when I was in my teens how

1:27:37

did they get you to become a torturer in

1:27:41

a concentration camp how

1:27:47

do they do it well

1:27:51

they assigned you the concentration camp and you're

1:27:53

out of earshot and

1:27:55

then they move you with any shot and

1:27:58

then they move you to the front of the building and then they

1:28:00

move you to the inside of the front of the building and then

1:28:02

they move you down the hall and then they put you outside the

1:28:04

cell door, then they put you inside the cell door, then they ask

1:28:06

you to hand the implements of the torturer and then they ask you

1:28:08

to hold the prisoner down and boom! You

1:28:11

become a torturer. How does it happen? Well,

1:28:14

if they dragged you from nowhere and said, go torture this

1:28:16

guy, you'd be like, whoa, no! Step

1:28:18

by step, incremental, bit by bit. Yeah,

1:28:25

this is the, this is, it's not, it's not a

1:28:27

big fiery, ha! You have a fork in the path

1:28:29

and this way leads to petition and this way leads

1:28:31

to paradise and this way, oh no,

1:28:33

no, it's not like that. Little decisions

1:28:35

and the decisions are usually around a little petty

1:28:37

things like the avoidance of instincts and I'm just

1:28:40

not going to tell the truth and I'm just

1:28:42

going to ha, ha, ha, right?

1:28:49

Little decisions, little decisions, little avoidances, little

1:28:51

compromises, little bending the truth, little this,

1:28:53

little that, bah! Because

1:29:04

each little increment

1:29:06

is not damning, just

1:29:08

like each cigarette doesn't kill

1:29:11

you, but the accumulation,

1:29:13

you're fucked. You

1:29:17

know, Tom Cruise has a

1:29:19

story about, I think

1:29:22

it was maybe in

1:29:24

Eyes Wide Shut or something like that, that

1:29:28

the director made him eat 10 pieces

1:29:32

of chocolate cake. He got

1:29:34

dizzy, he got sick, he threw up and

1:29:37

he's like, loved it at the beginning, right? Because

1:29:40

he had to retake the scene, all he kept eating him eat this

1:29:42

chocolate cake. Now Tom Cruise is

1:29:45

a lean guy, right? He's a lean guy. So

1:29:47

yeah, yeah, but he had 10 pieces of cake in one

1:29:49

sitting, so he's fine, he's not fat. He's

1:29:52

not fat. You

1:29:57

know, I'm 90. eight

1:30:00

percent off sugar but the other day i was out with

1:30:02

my daughter, we did a river walk which

1:30:04

is where we. Walk up

1:30:06

and down in river and look for fish and crayfish

1:30:08

and it's really fun. And we got

1:30:10

out of that and i was dying from heat

1:30:12

and i had a

1:30:14

call the top ice cream it's like tiny

1:30:17

tiny ice cream. Oh no

1:30:19

i'm back on sugar it's all like no

1:30:22

i'm fine i'm fine. You

1:30:25

can take little badness is you can you know

1:30:28

i'm if you've tried a couple of cigarettes in

1:30:30

your life you're not gonna die. Never

1:30:34

piece of cheesecake you're not gonna get obese. But

1:30:39

it's a whole series of bad decisions anyone

1:30:42

of which you can stop that

1:30:44

leads to the terminal right in the soul. And

1:30:51

we all know how bad decisions justify

1:30:53

bad decisions well. I'm already

1:30:55

falling off the wagon i might as well get drunk well

1:30:57

i've already had a bite of cheesecake what the hell i

1:30:59

might as well just have the whole like slippery

1:31:01

slope right. Somebody

1:31:07

says i'm having a hard time with how people are all that

1:31:09

different after covert it's probably just me. It

1:31:12

just seems like people are just like before but with a lot less money.

1:31:15

Well they're not like before because there's

1:31:17

a massive topic that consumed everyone's life for

1:31:19

close to half a decade that they simply

1:31:21

won't talk about. No

1:31:23

that's a big change. That's

1:31:26

a big change. You

1:31:33

know i think about this occasionally right that

1:31:37

i think of the tens of thousands of

1:31:39

hours i spend exercising i'm i mean i

1:31:41

combine it sometimes with listening or work or

1:31:43

whatever but yeah i'm like eight hours exercise

1:31:45

a week is like a half a part time job right.

1:31:50

And that doesn't even count the fact as a walk around doing

1:31:52

the show sometimes and call ins and so on right. But

1:31:55

yeah i'm i'm in motion. And

1:32:01

of course i think about the people who don't

1:32:03

move sit around slouch bad posture you

1:32:05

know that they've got back problems knee problems

1:32:07

hip problems they can't run anywhere the shorter

1:32:10

breath and it's like. That's

1:32:12

because of every single and you know right now

1:32:14

i'm in the payoff

1:32:17

or payback. Right

1:32:20

mid late fifties man i'm in the pay off

1:32:22

for and this is i'm sending you this message

1:32:24

back man. Massage

1:32:26

in a brothel so i'm

1:32:29

telling you i'm in the payoff or payback so

1:32:31

the people who didn't exercise the people who let

1:32:33

themselves get overweight the people with bad drinking habits

1:32:35

people who smoke. You're getting the

1:32:37

payback now bomb payback time or pay off if

1:32:39

you've been healthy and exercise and strong and all

1:32:42

of that right. I

1:32:44

just right before the show i realized

1:32:46

i didn't have my glasses. And

1:32:48

i'd like to really had to race up the

1:32:51

stairs and it's like i'm fifty seven i can

1:32:53

raise up the stairs no problem. No

1:32:56

problem i went to the pretty

1:32:58

fun place activate it's like one

1:33:00

of these it's really it's

1:33:02

really fun it's one of these. Play

1:33:06

areas with lit up floors and you

1:33:08

gotta run from floor to floor and

1:33:11

you got either you can crawl through lasers

1:33:13

and like it's really fun. I

1:33:15

would actually kind of recommended myself but

1:33:18

it's a lot of fun. I went

1:33:20

there and i'm like spending two hours racing and

1:33:22

running and rolling and diving and i'm like i'm

1:33:24

fine okay little little little tender on the old

1:33:27

hip because you know some of the lunch muscles

1:33:29

are not exactly it's been too rainy up here

1:33:31

to do much record sports. But

1:33:33

so it's the payoff for the payback. When

1:33:38

i got fat it was a slow creep one day you step

1:33:40

on the scale and you're like holy crap. Yeah.

1:33:46

Yeah. Yeah

1:33:51

i'm and if a friend of mine's wife had gained some

1:33:53

weight and we'd mentioned it once or twice and

1:33:56

then we were going go karting and they had to wait her

1:33:58

to figure out what kind of go karting. and

1:34:00

she was horrified and she lost the weight. Bit

1:34:03

by bit by bit. Bit

1:34:08

by bit by bit. Yeah,

1:34:16

everybody who wants to wield

1:34:18

and benefit from the slippery slope tells you

1:34:21

that slippery slope is a fallacy. Slippery slope

1:34:23

is not a fallacy. Slippery slope is an

1:34:25

inevitability because once you break principle, things accelerate

1:34:27

very quickly after that, right? This

1:34:30

is one of my favorite shows yet. Had to

1:34:32

reload on sea pins here soon. I

1:34:34

don't know what that means, but if it

1:34:37

is your favorite show and you're enjoying it,

1:34:39

freedomain.com/donate. I really, really appreciate that. How

1:34:52

does one find herself out in the storm of sin

1:34:54

without shelter? The parable of the camel who puts his

1:34:56

nose in the tent slowly, but surely the camel enters

1:34:58

the tent and eventually kicks you out into the storm

1:35:00

here. Is

1:35:04

reconciliation even feasible for the majority?

1:35:06

That would require them to admit they wanted to use

1:35:08

coercion and violence on others solely because they enjoyed

1:35:10

the exercise of power. Admitting

1:35:12

that would drive most people to insanity

1:35:15

or irresolvable guilt. Well, I mean,

1:35:17

how much of this was a violation of the Nuremberg Laws,

1:35:19

which was one of the great benefits

1:35:21

to come out of the horrors of

1:35:23

Nazism in World War Two? I

1:35:28

always find it strange. People want some sort of lightning

1:35:30

moment to quit something. No, just

1:35:35

make a better decision and find a way.

1:35:37

Right. One

1:35:43

of the few times I can catch a live stream. Now

1:35:45

I get the tip. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. That was

1:35:47

very kind. Everybody

1:35:55

knows. I saw this. I mentioned I

1:35:57

saw this play with this woman.

1:36:00

Who would have these various health scares

1:36:02

over the course of her life and she

1:36:04

said and i would i would make a

1:36:06

resolution drink my water eat more vegetables exercise

1:36:08

and i would for a while. For

1:36:12

a while. Everybody

1:36:16

knows exactly what you need to do everybody knows the

1:36:18

right thing to do, and the

1:36:20

reason people get so volatile towards moral is

1:36:22

not because we're surprising but because we've been

1:36:24

ignored. What

1:36:30

is the best way to do it. What is

1:36:32

the best way to do it. What is the

1:36:34

best way to do it. The

1:36:36

lightning moment is a heart attack or some sort of

1:36:38

culmination of consequence. Yeah,

1:36:41

but that's not true for everyone because the people half

1:36:43

in love with these full death will come back from

1:36:45

a heart attack with vague regret and resume their former

1:36:47

terrible habits. Because

1:36:50

they're not super clean on they're not super

1:36:52

keen on continuing the eliving. Why

1:36:59

did someone become fat. Because

1:37:02

they made a whole series of bad decisions

1:37:04

approximately 20 times a day. To

1:37:06

eat badly and not eat well. And

1:37:11

we want some big answer some big explanation.

1:37:17

Oh yeah, everybody knows if i used to go to

1:37:19

a gym regularly. And

1:37:22

for years decades and you know yeah first

1:37:24

week or two in January it's really busy

1:37:26

and then everybody just goes back to being.

1:37:29

Putting plot fat butt on the couch person

1:37:32

look at me i'm a pair. Bro

1:37:38

i know like five fat people and you're

1:37:41

four of them. So

1:37:49

i hope i hope that helps most

1:37:52

last question. There

1:37:54

was a last question we

1:37:57

did selfishness oh yeah how do you

1:37:59

know when people. aligned to you? Well, how do you know

1:38:01

when addicts align to you? Their lips are moving. How

1:38:05

do you know when addicts align to you? Their

1:38:07

lips are moving. Now

1:38:13

why, say, I'm doing

1:38:15

a volunteer work for people who are addicts.

1:38:18

Why? Why

1:38:22

would you do that? How

1:38:31

do I sniff out lies and manipulations from

1:38:33

addicts to get the medication they want? How

1:38:37

do I distinguish between a genuine request or an

1:38:39

untruthful one? So you

1:38:42

understand that addicts have almost

1:38:45

infinitely more experience telling lies

1:38:47

than you have at uncovering them.

1:38:51

So what you're doing

1:38:54

is you're saying, Steph,

1:38:56

I am playing

1:38:59

a game of tennis against a top-seated,

1:39:01

top-ranked tennis player. I've

1:39:03

been playing for a couple of weeks. How do I

1:39:05

win? The answer is, you don't. You

1:39:10

don't win. You can't win. How

1:39:13

do I outmanipulate my own mother, who

1:39:16

has by this point 70 years experience

1:39:18

or 80 years experience in manipulating, and

1:39:21

I don't. Well, you can't win. You

1:39:23

know, I'm playing a grandmaster in chess, and

1:39:27

I've been playing for a month or

1:39:29

two. How do I win? You can't. You

1:39:32

know, a friend of mine has four

1:39:34

sons, sorry, three sons

1:39:36

and a daughter, and his middle

1:39:39

boy is really, really keen

1:39:42

on chess, plays fantastic chess, and

1:39:45

I'm not a bad chess player. The

1:39:48

kid was tan and kicked my butt all up and down

1:39:50

the board, right? And

1:39:52

partly because it was, ah, my overconfidence is my

1:39:54

weakness. But

1:39:57

he'd memorized all the moves and the possibilities, and he'd...

1:40:00

had a real genius for this, how do

1:40:02

I win the game of chess? I can't. Isn't,

1:40:07

you know, at

1:40:09

least half of morality is humility. At

1:40:13

least half of morality is humility. Because

1:40:15

how often do we get sucked

1:40:18

into bad things because we are

1:40:21

ridiculously confident of our ability to

1:40:23

reshape people's neurons with the silky

1:40:25

syllables of her speech? My

1:40:29

God, I mean, you've heard the callers. Yes,

1:40:36

I've been listening to your show for 350

1:40:39

years and here's the whole series of

1:40:42

bad decisions that I made. You

1:40:45

know, you've heard the people, whenever I give them a big insight

1:40:47

about their life, they're like, well, what do I do about it

1:40:49

now? And it's like, everybody does the same thing

1:40:52

and they're like, oh, I knew every day it drives me nuts when

1:40:54

people do that. And here I just did it. Right? So

1:41:03

addicts are professional

1:41:05

liars. And

1:41:10

you want to win against them? Are you

1:41:12

kidding me? Do you know how shameful it would

1:41:14

be if you could win at lying

1:41:17

with an addict? It would mean you were a completely

1:41:19

pathological liar who lied even more than an addict. Why

1:41:23

would you want to be around pathological

1:41:26

compulsive liars and trying to figure out

1:41:28

what the truth is? Why? You

1:41:31

can't, you can't win. And

1:41:47

why? Now this is a childhood thing.

1:41:49

Come on, we know that, right? This is a childhood

1:41:51

thing. You

1:41:58

have a death need to catch

1:42:01

the liars that

1:42:03

you grew up with and you're transferring that to

1:42:05

the addicts. Once

1:42:11

I have established that someone is a liar, I

1:42:14

don't make it my job to catch them out

1:42:16

until the end of time. Because

1:42:20

I'm not a very good liar, I'm

1:42:23

not fantastic at figuring out who's lying, I

1:42:25

mean obvious contradictions are pretty clear to me,

1:42:28

and I don't want to develop that skill. Why

1:42:31

would I want to develop that skill? Why would I

1:42:33

want to develop the skill to figure out

1:42:35

who's a good liar when I don't want liars

1:42:37

in my life? Right,

1:42:44

that would be like trying to figure out how

1:42:46

I can develop an

1:42:48

immunity to a certain poison. Well, how about you just

1:42:50

don't take the poison? Is

1:42:53

that a possibility? You

1:42:56

know, I found a woman who's great fun to

1:42:58

live with and to love rather than trying

1:43:00

to manage somebody who was really difficult and

1:43:02

aggressive and manipulative, right?

1:43:05

I tried that. You

1:43:10

think you're going to be better at corruption than

1:43:12

corrupt people? Are you crazy? Vote

1:43:16

harder. Right. You

1:43:19

can't do that. You can't

1:43:22

win against them. They

1:43:26

are 150% committed with

1:43:29

decades of experience, and you're

1:43:31

new to the game, and you're going to get eaten

1:43:33

alive. How do

1:43:35

I out vampire the vampire who's lived

1:43:37

for a thousand years? You can't!

1:43:40

A, you haven't lived for a thousand years. B, you're not

1:43:42

a vampire. Can't win. trial

1:43:59

lists millions in crypto had been listening

1:44:01

for quite a long time, and

1:44:03

he would rather lose millions of dollars in

1:44:05

crypto than call me up for any advice.

1:44:12

Yes, please do try to catch me, my lies.

1:44:14

You totally should invest lots and lots of time

1:44:16

into this pursuit. Fix me. Yes.

1:44:19

Trust in me. Just

1:44:22

in me. Yeah. Yeah,

1:44:24

that's right, James. It's the car. You're

1:44:26

a sneaky, sneaky guy, right? Whoo,

1:44:30

come on, brothers and sisters, tell me this

1:44:32

hasn't been a great show. Give

1:44:35

me a tip or two. All

1:44:38

right, I know someone who I distance myself from. A

1:44:40

smart guy running his own business in his

1:44:42

mid-20s, but he spends his time trying to convince addicts to

1:44:44

stop. I told him to look into his childhood history, and

1:44:46

he was disinterested. Yeah.

1:44:53

The real addiction? You see, somebody trying

1:44:55

to fix addicts. You

1:44:58

think that there's an addict and a non-addict in the room?

1:45:02

Nope. Two addicts in the room. One's

1:45:05

addicted to a substance, the other one is addicted to

1:45:07

addicts. That's

1:45:09

why they generally can't help each other, and that's why

1:45:11

generally addiction is

1:45:15

solved usually by consequences, if

1:45:18

it's solved at all. Because

1:45:21

the addict, when he's done enough bad things with

1:45:24

his addiction, he's lied to enough people, he's told

1:45:26

to not... Then what

1:45:29

crypto coin did the crypto guy buy? Dogecoin?

1:45:32

Aye, Joe? I will hold

1:45:35

that in abeyance until the show goes out.

1:45:41

I think it's easier to see the problems in other people's lives

1:45:43

than to look at your own. Self-improvement

1:45:45

is unbelievably hard and painful. Correcting others

1:45:47

is quite rewarding. Well, you're not correcting

1:45:49

them, right? You're just making noises and

1:45:51

feeling like a good person. You're

1:45:55

just making noises and feeling like a good person. This

1:46:03

is something I read from Jung, called

1:46:05

Gustaf Jung, a little crazy, but some

1:46:07

good insights. He said, thinking

1:46:10

is hard. That's why most

1:46:12

people judge. Somebody

1:46:17

says, had a family member who was addicted to opioids

1:46:19

for years, and every word out of their mouth was

1:46:21

just manipulation and angling to get resources, free rent and

1:46:23

drug money. They were only ever

1:46:25

truthful if it helped them exploit others. My parents

1:46:28

enabled them. The only solution for me was to

1:46:30

totally disassociate from them. Yeah,

1:46:32

can't do it. Because

1:46:34

the addict has

1:46:37

the pain of withdrawal, and

1:46:39

the pain of withdrawal comes with the attack

1:46:42

of the suppressed conscience. Thank

1:46:48

you, Jared, I appreciate that. The

1:46:50

pain of withdrawal from a drug comes also with

1:46:53

the attack of a bad conscience. If you've lied

1:46:55

to and stole them from your elderly parents or

1:46:57

siblings or friends, or you

1:47:00

stole from

1:47:02

strangers for your drugs, or if you're a woman,

1:47:04

to do prostitution, or for a man for that

1:47:06

matter. So what happens when you take yourself off

1:47:08

the drug is not only do you get the

1:47:11

physical withdrawal, but you also get the, holy crap,

1:47:13

I was a really terrible person for years. Yeah,

1:47:17

good luck with that. Good

1:47:21

luck with that. Important to know when you can help

1:47:23

people and when people are beyond help. And

1:47:29

maybe I'll do a wee show on that

1:47:32

at some point when you stop. In

1:47:37

general, I will confront people and

1:47:42

if they say, yes, I didn't tell you the truth, I'm

1:47:44

really sorry about that. And if during that

1:47:46

conversation they lie again, peace out,

1:47:48

baby. Peace out.

1:47:51

I mean, if they can't even hold integrity

1:47:53

for an hour, then

1:47:56

peace out. Dun,

1:48:00

dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. All

1:48:06

right. Any other last comments, questions, tips,

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1:48:14

If you could help

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out the show, of course, if you're listening later, come on.

1:48:18

This has been a banger and a half. This

1:48:20

has been a bangerous beans and

1:48:22

mash. Frank's

1:48:25

and beans got

1:48:27

into a discussion with someone about giving money to the homeless in

1:48:29

the street. I said they were most likely by drugs and alcohol,

1:48:32

but that money that got emotional saying, you don't know what they're

1:48:34

going through. I

1:48:37

just wondering if you've ever considered streaming on kick

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great album. Apparently you get 95% of

1:48:42

your earnings. I'll look into that. Thank you.

1:48:44

I appreciate that. And

1:48:47

I appreciate the fact that you're not suggesting that I

1:48:49

go on a platform I was banned from years ago.

1:48:59

All right, well, thank you, thank you, thank you, my

1:49:01

friends. I really, really do appreciate your time, effort, attention.

1:49:04

Don't forget peacefulparenting.com, you get the whole book. I'm about

1:49:06

40% of the way through shrinking this thing down.

1:49:08

We're getting it down from about 180,000 words to

1:49:10

50,000, 55,000 words, so... So

1:49:15

there is a shortened version

1:49:18

of peaceful parenting coming for those who

1:49:20

have the attention span of what? Squirrel.

1:49:22

All right. Instead

1:49:25

of money, give them a sandwich. Yeah.

1:49:30

Yeah. Some people just don't make it and you can

1:49:32

circle back and then all that means is you don't make

1:49:34

it either. All right. Thank

1:49:37

you. Thank you. Thank you for your help and

1:49:39

support. It was a lovely conversation today. I really

1:49:41

do appreciate it. We've got some great call in

1:49:43

shows coming out. If you want the private call

1:49:45

in shows, um,

1:49:48

free to man.com/call and

1:49:51

just choose the private and we'll set it up

1:49:54

and, uh, but appreciate that. Do it sooner rather

1:49:56

than later. Cause man, it's filling

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up. So free to man.com. to

1:50:00

help out. Lots of love from up

1:50:02

here, my friends, of friendiness. Take

1:50:05

care, have yourself a wonderful Sunday,

1:50:08

and I will talk to you soon. Take

1:50:11

care, everyone. Bye.