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the episode description. August

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Righteousness has been having

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recurring dreams about joining

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Wakeful. There's Levy and the Squad

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go out and do good things, and

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things happen, and then we come back

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and the cause leadership is, Cernaise, Levy

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out. Brian feels sort

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of bad about losing future and

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Jessa hating them, I guess.

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I think Cory ends up spending a lot

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of time at the consecrated afflictions area. Chests

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of treasure, overflowing chests

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of treasure and gold and money, and

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I think I'm just going around

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to all of the different cause

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factions and just like giving

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them huge sums of

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money. Fizbee

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learned the power of autonomy, but

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then also learned that you can't

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just do that all the time. There's

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a limit to the power of autonomy. Future

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showed Clem all these bad outcomes

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and that that fucks you up.

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I would love to, I mean

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wow, I feel so close to

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doing the thing, to taking every last cent of

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the Kesh fleet. I mean they lose their ships,

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they lose this area, what else do they have?

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Nothing, they get counts empty. They

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were in this canyon looking

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for fire support. Oh

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sure. Fire support is here too,

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I got both of the things. We get fire

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support and we get landerwond. This

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is what you're signing up for, he says

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to Levy. It's this.

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It's tears forever.

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You don't get to win. You

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just have to keep trying and

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losing people. You

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just have to see it go bad over

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and over and over again. It

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gets close. You get close. Over

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and over again and then they take

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it from you. You

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compromise. You

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mess up. It's

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a vow.

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It's a vow to fail.

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That's what it means. Are

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you really ready to follow

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people like us to do

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this? I

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don't know. I'm

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not thinking about that and

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maybe I should and maybe that's gonna

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be my problem to deal with later. Right now

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I'm thinking about someone

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that I've heard a lot of really good stuff about

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is trying to throw their life away. Okay,

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so we did Levy's scene.

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Is that the only scene we've done so far from

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this round? Yes. No,

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I did a scene. No, we

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had another one. Final

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scene. Okay. Yes, of course.

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Of course. Lander one so

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that leaves us with Brian August

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righteousness Corioles sunset Clementine

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Thisby and that's it.

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I knew how to do the rhythm on those. I knew how many it

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was why why are people asking questions?

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No No,

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I can hear them they're loud Thank

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you. I hear them all the time. It's always like this

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for me. What uh, what are

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we doing? Who's up? Who's got

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a scene? As a reminder,

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we've broken order. We're not going in any sort of

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order right now. We're just going by Vibes

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who feels like it's time for their

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scene I guess I'll ask this question

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does anyone feel like they're saving their scene for the

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end of the the run Mine

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might be okay to do that with Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, if I'm

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showing my hand if people want Corian

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scenes mine should probably go later. Okay

4:58

Mm-hmm. I could

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go I Could

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go sooner Although this is

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the position that I've been in for the last two rounds

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as well But

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following new people. Yeah at this point

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wouldn't that be you'd be third now

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instead of second. Yes, right

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Yes Shuffle

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shuffled up a little um, yeah,

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I can go Okay,

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um Can you restate

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your goal your August righteousness? Yes I'm

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playing August righteousness pronounce he they and

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my goal is Bring

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the principality on Palisades to

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justice The

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divine future was delivered

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by levitation to August

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righteousness in God

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Is it a box is it the head is

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it just a box containing the golden orb? I

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want the understanding of

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how future comes into

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the hands of cause

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leadership. You said that

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and I was thinking of seven, sorry. You

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said that and you could have been bad. What

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could it be? Levy?

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Oh, I'm sorry. Repeat that question. How

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did Levy deliver future to

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cause leadership? That is

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a great question. Cause

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future is one of those little

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squirrely guys, isn't it? Classically.

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Yeah, some kind of Mirage

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tech box. Oh,

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that's fun. Yeah. Yeah.

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Something that you specifically, I mean, you're

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from the Mirage. Maybe they are something

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explicitly built to help transport

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a divine like this, huh? Oh,

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it's similar tech to the prison that

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is currently holding crusade. Right.

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But smaller and more and more portable. Sure.

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Put it in a Pokeball. It

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would be a very cute Pokeball because

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it's an orb already. So it

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would sort of just snug, snugly

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fit inside the Pokeball. Yeah. There's

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several Pokemon that are just orbs. That's

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true. It's true. Yeah.

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I think that, you know, August righteousness has

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received a vision as everybody does

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who interacts with

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future even. I guess that's actually I have a question.

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Is that true? Or is whatever the

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thing that that it's been transported

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in prevent that? It

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prevented it until I opened it. Oh, you did

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open it though. I

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don't trust levitation. Sure.

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Damn. Brutal. Okay.

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I opened it and received a

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vision of Wakeful

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establishing a divine empire

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on Palisade. and

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August righteousness having rejoined the

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Gestalt to

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sort of like cement that

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on the planet. And

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it's awful. I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's, August

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knows that the

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futures that future shows are not predictions so much

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as like, how have we described them in the

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past? They're sort of like imaginings

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or like they draw out. Yeah,

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drawn out of the person, generally speaking.

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It's like, generally speaking,

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it had been previously like, what is

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the image of the future that you

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see for yourself in this moment is the

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way that I've always framed it. Right? Future

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crystallizes a sort of, you know,

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going back to counterweight when we

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know future had other potential names

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like zeal and ambition. There's

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a sort of crystallization of a vision

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for one's own future, right? Not

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a broad objective position, nor

8:59

historically futures vision for

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the future. Though perhaps

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that's one way it's decided to

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weaponize itself or here it

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feels like maybe extracting an

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anxiety you have and crystallizing that.

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Yeah, I think this is absolutely

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weaponized from future. This

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is, this is, you know, future

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uses Gurs body as a rhetorical

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tool, uses Gurs body as a

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mobility aid as, you

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know, as a way to pick things up, move,

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fly from planet to planet, you know, the body

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of Gurs of Rack has arrived. But

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ultimately the sort of predictive

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and violent and consuming

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things are not lessened by being removed from

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Gurs of Rack's body. So I think August

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opens this box and future just lashes out.

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And I think August is really starting

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to, we've

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spent so long fighting

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for Palisade and for its people. And

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August is really worried that

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Stelnedeo, in collaboration

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with Wakefall, with the Gestalt Wakefall,

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are just going to set a new

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seat of empire on Palisade

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itself. We

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fought all this for

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so long, and in the last moments, like

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a fungus took root. And I

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think that the August Righteousness having

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encountered the Gestalt in that shimmering

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stone-pillared garden, it's

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just this sort of shapeless mass starting

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to move on Palisade. So

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I would like to go and

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set terms with

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Wakefall. Okay.

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Who is this? Who's there? And

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what's your actual goal? What's the

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scene goal for August Righteousness? I'm

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going to the Temple

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of the Threshold, the heart of the

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Gestalt. I

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am bringing, which

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has been raised back up, by the way. I

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believe it was damaged during the earthquake

11:16

when Figur died from opposition. And

11:18

here it has been brought back up,

11:21

you know, the kind of, I always

11:24

describe it as being sort of a coliseum

11:26

in shape. It's this kind of circular domed

11:28

arena that has like these big

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entryways, and it's held up

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by these kind of prismatic

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walkways, these cloth prismatic walkways.

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And it has been lifted back up, but also,

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I don't know, I guess

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we'll get there and see what it looks like inside when

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you start describing, Jack. I'm

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bringing Captain Brine as

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like the sword arm

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of Millennium Break, of like

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someone who came here and helped fight for

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this planet as a, as a, as

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someone from the outside, you know. There

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was that great scene during the Wagon

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Wheel game where August Righteousness basically said,

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you little babies don't understand how long

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we've been fighting for this world. And

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I think that there is this moment of like

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bringing Brian as someone who has seen some, who

12:19

has seen both sides of that coin, as it were, you

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know, arriving to this place as someone new

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to it, and then having spent so long in

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this fight. Um, I

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would like to, Clementine

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is involved, but I think I'm not,

12:35

this is the antagonistic side of it, of

12:39

an exhausted relationship. I think I, August

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recognizes- Wait, not an exa- the antagonistic

12:43

relationship, but not an exhausted relationship. It's

12:45

not exhaustive, Clem, right? Yeah. Yeah,

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August realizes that bringing Clem

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along while making the argument,

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you know, you're allying with

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a violent force against your

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best interests

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is going to open the door to a kind of rhetoric

13:03

that he's not willing to have. And

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I think that the

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frustration with that, the fury there

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is part of what is driving

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him to this point of being

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like, all right, Stell nadeo down,

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and then when I have resolved

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this, Clementine is gonna

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get it. My

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scene goal is- Do

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you wanna talk through it or- Yeah, let's talk through it. Like, I'm

13:30

doing that thing of like trying to think of

13:34

the right thing to say and then not saying it into the microphone. Yeah,

13:36

I couldn't tell if you were not looking for wording or

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if you were not, if you didn't have a direction.

13:41

No, I think I have the direction, right? Which is

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it's like prevent Wakeful

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from using Palisade as

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the seat of Empire.

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And this is so hard, right? Because what,

13:55

and this is also why the scene is interesting

13:57

because who is a delegate to

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tell? divine gestalt. Hey,

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don't reproduce the worst excesses of

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the principality here, please. You

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know, this is a big ask. It's, it's, I'm

14:11

thinking along the lines of I think the thing

14:13

August righteousness is going to provide is a set

14:15

of terms, you know, do

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not subjugate.

14:20

Oh, it's an

14:22

ultimatum, right? It's like, if you cross

14:25

these sort of physical

14:28

or ideological or legal

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boundaries, it's,

14:34

it's war. Cool.

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Yeah, I think that that makes sense. I think that

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that's the other version of this that I was kind

14:41

of curious about was the other

14:43

angle that I'm suggesting not to

14:46

overwrite this one. But

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maybe it's part of an ultimatum or a different

14:50

angle is, is there a world

14:53

where August wants to extricate

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the Nadean aspects of Wakeful?

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Because you don't have any problem with

15:03

opposition or leadership or any of these

15:05

other divines that make up Wakeful. But

15:08

you do have an issue, presumably with, you

15:11

know, whatever the

15:14

the whoever the the nearest,

15:16

you know, song of Nadeo

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is, who's become a

15:20

functionary of this emerging being,

15:23

you know, or whatever the

15:25

military troops that are human or columnar

15:28

or whatever, you know, synthetic troops

15:31

who who still wear Nadean

15:33

colors and who were part of the Nadean

15:35

military machine, or the part of the Nadean

15:37

settler, you know, civilian settler program,

15:40

which has continued here, right,

15:42

or the divine resonance, which

15:44

was so key to the

15:47

Nadean settler project, which has just

15:50

been scooped in to Wakeful,

15:53

and now hides inside of it and

15:55

hides literally behind and

15:57

part of a system. system

16:00

that, you know, or a,

16:02

you know, wakeful emerged

16:04

from centuries millennia

16:07

of torture, right? And

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then because of driven partly because of

16:12

that towards, towards

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unity towards a sort of

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collaborative beingness, wound

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up being a shield

16:21

for things like the divine resonance, which has

16:23

been at the forefront of this project. And

16:25

I wasn't sure if that would be part

16:27

of what you were looking for. You know,

16:29

I think that's absolutely it, because I think

16:31

that that is preventing

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August from approaching

16:37

these people with the kind of

16:40

care or help or rehabilitation. And

16:43

I mean, rehabilitation, they're not necessarily

16:45

in the sense of like, rehabilitation

16:48

as a process of justice, but rehabilitation

16:50

as a process of like, physical rehabilitation

16:52

following an injury or following

16:54

years of trauma.

16:58

The fact that the nideo is

17:01

underneath that umbrella is

17:03

preventing a kind of softening,

17:08

I think of the causes position there,

17:10

right? Because the fear, right, is what

17:12

you're doing is you're reproducing a kind

17:14

of, excuse

17:18

me, a kind of divine principality, right?

17:20

You're like, what if we reproduce the

17:23

principality? With

17:25

the sort of like the primacy

17:28

of divines and of divine thought.

17:31

Whereas I think August righteousness

17:33

is like, hang on, there

17:36

is a place for you here in

17:38

this world to, you know, you were

17:40

imprisoned here, often

17:42

by the very people that you have now welcomed

17:45

back into your fold. And

17:47

we need to bring them to justice.

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And following that, you know, you

17:54

can be welcomed into a process

17:57

of of rehabilitation on Palisade.

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What is the moral truth here

18:02

though? What is the

18:04

moral truth of anything? I mean- What is

18:06

real? That's a good question. Are

18:09

the divines necessarily members of the

18:11

state or are they, are they,

18:15

are they? Me

18:18

turning and looking at Fisbee. I

18:20

think, you know, I think this is very

18:22

consistent, right? Traditional- Like are

18:24

you looking at these divines and saying, well,

18:26

people couldn't figure this out, so you can't

18:28

either. I don't

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think that August righteousness believes

18:33

that a divine is innately

18:35

more capable of understanding

18:38

statecraft or ideology than a

18:41

person. Also, it

18:44

has a different relationship to divinity

18:46

than people do. Well,

18:50

August righteousness is a person. No,

18:52

no, no, but I mean to- A

18:54

non-delegate people do. Yeah. Yeah,

18:56

but is a person simultaneously. Right. But

19:00

is that, is that correct? Yes,

19:03

I think, well, I mean,

19:05

we have provided several different answers

19:08

to this in Friends at the Table and I am

19:10

so hesitant to be like, well, here's

19:12

an answer. Cause I don't think that's how it

19:15

works. I would

19:17

feel so reluctant to be like, well, divines know the

19:19

answers or like-

19:21

Yeah. Divines are capable of figuring this

19:23

out. But like what if, what if- I would direct

19:25

us to, divines are socially constructed

19:27

and socially real, right? Which is to say-

19:29

I mean, around the day it was a

19:31

divine following his death. Right. So

19:34

which is to say- But is a divine

19:36

a member of a state? Historically, yes. Is

19:38

a divine a day in- Many

19:40

divines have been both members of and

19:43

functionaries of a state. Sometimes they are

19:45

serving in leadership roles in the state

19:47

of the principality. Often they

19:49

are in infrastructural roles of the state.

19:53

They are subjects, which is to say

19:55

they make decisions. They are

19:58

not, again, assuming- Let's talk about- the

20:00

biggest collection of Divines,

20:02

which includes, let's say,

20:05

Arbit, which we've described as being unthinking,

20:07

but just a functional machine, a really

20:10

complex, incredible machine on one end.

20:13

Arbit being the divine that Grand Magnificent made

20:15

at the end of Twilight Mirage to counteract

20:18

the what is now

20:20

the divine, the broken divine past,

20:22

the counter divine past, at

20:25

the time the Crystal

20:27

Palace, a predictive machine.

20:29

And on the other end, let's

20:31

say, Crusade or Grace or any of

20:33

these classic Divines that we've seen that

20:35

are like big thinking talking robots, right?

20:37

And I think inside of

20:40

that space, we have some of them

20:42

who serve as primarily infrastructure that do

20:44

not seem to have a

20:46

subjectivity in the traditional sense that

20:49

we talk about conscious subjectivity. And

20:52

they are part of the state the way a highway is

20:54

part of a state. But then we also have Divines who

20:57

have served as effectively heads of

20:59

state or as members of

21:01

a cabinet or in leadership roles and

21:03

decision making roles. So like, because of

21:05

the breadth of what divine means, and

21:07

because a divine is not a single

21:10

reducible thing, we've seen all of that

21:12

stuff, you know, also seen Divines

21:15

that were forced into infrastructural

21:17

roles, while clearly having more,

21:19

you know,

21:23

sapience and so on than the

21:25

highway would have. So like, totally.

21:27

And we've seen Divines

21:29

who wish they

21:31

could just be infrastructure and

21:34

not have to deal with

21:36

the subjective consciousness problem, right?

21:38

It's all there. The breadth of what a

21:40

divine is is not reducible,

21:42

in so far as the wide view

21:44

of history is, which is not necessarily what

21:47

I think a character like August righteousness

21:49

might believe, but it is what we know

21:51

is true based on our history here. Does

21:54

that answer your question, Art? Yeah,

21:57

sort of. I

21:59

mean, I think where it where it gets dicey and

22:01

where I think that a lot of the show

22:03

lives is that

22:06

humans are able to exert power

22:08

on divines in some ways but

22:10

are vastly outstripped in

22:13

power in other ways and

22:15

divines are able to easily exert power

22:17

on humans in some ways and are

22:19

vastly outstripped in other ways. I think

22:21

what is making August

22:23

righteousness is the the

22:26

pit in August righteousness stomach you

22:28

know drop is

22:32

that the

22:35

imperial force and

22:38

conquest of Stelnedeo paired

22:41

with the kind of

22:43

immense world shaping

22:45

power so great that they're

22:47

able to turn themselves into

22:49

a gestalt entity raise the

22:51

you know um temple of

22:53

the threshold etc that is

22:55

potentially um that

22:58

could that could spiral extremely quickly

23:00

into Stelnedeo has resubjugated

23:02

palisade under the language of

23:04

I mean I know that

23:06

we have it now but like the divine

23:09

future has compelled you know the the gestalt

23:11

wakeful to act in this way as part

23:13

of the gestalt or you know and

23:16

I think it's that sense of like this

23:19

is very different than 14 or 15 people

23:23

uh at a cabinet table saying

23:29

the potential power that could be exerted here

23:31

is immense in favor of Stelnedeo or

23:35

at the very least is a shield for the people who

23:38

already acted in that way right like there's

23:40

a way in which even if it doesn't and

23:42

this is where why I raised the idea of

23:45

bringing out the nadean elements to some

23:47

degree was like even if wakeful

23:50

just lives a peaceful life on palisade for

23:52

5 000 more years there

23:55

will be a continuation of I'm

23:58

invested in thinking about bring the

24:00

principality on Palisade to justice for August righteousness,

24:03

those people will not have been brought to justice

24:05

unless August righteousness arrives at the idea that is,

24:07

well, so long as they're being, as long as

24:09

they're part of Wakeful and Wakeful is a social

24:11

good and- I think it was quite the opposite.

24:15

I mean, this is, I don't, it is hard

24:17

for me to imagine the way you've been playing

24:19

August righteousness and the way that we've set up

24:21

August righteousness and all of the rhetorical tricks we've

24:23

been playing around righteousness, right? As

24:25

being the one who would say, I actually

24:28

don't even need a process of justice, of

24:30

public justice doing, as

24:32

long as like privately these people

24:35

face contrition and come to some

24:39

public, you know, public service, public good

24:41

role inside of Wakeful, that

24:44

to me has not been how you've been playing August

24:46

righteousness or how we've set up August righteousness. I

24:49

think there are a handful of characters in the history of Friends

24:51

on the Table who maybe end there, but

24:54

it's a small number, you

24:56

know? It's

24:59

like pre-end

25:02

of winter in

25:04

Hiran Alyosha and maybe that's it,

25:06

you know? People

25:09

of willing infinite forgiveness, you

25:11

know? But I

25:13

don't think it's you. No,

25:15

I mean, a big sort

25:18

of moment that I was thinking about

25:20

is that I think, for example, August

25:23

righteousness probably disagrees with a lot of

25:25

mirage policymaking about the function of prisons,

25:31

you know, or is

25:33

less like, oh, it's, you know, let's

25:35

let them look for contrition inside themselves

25:37

and see some sort of public good

25:39

making within a restorative

25:41

community like Wakeful and is closer to

25:43

like, Jess, it's just killing people, you

25:46

know? Jess is hunting

25:48

down leaders and killing them. And

25:51

that's good or is that and that's bad?

25:54

No, that is that is closer to the

25:56

kind of sharper edged sense

25:58

of justice and August August's righteousness

26:00

however is like a statesman so it's instead

26:02

being like I'm gonna go and try and

26:05

get Nadeo out of this you know yeah.

26:09

Okay that was a lot of talking

26:11

through I appreciate taking the time to talk through it because

26:13

you know as we get to the end

26:15

of the game and with a goal

26:17

like bring the principality on Palisade to justice I'm

26:19

sure and I understand why there are a lot

26:21

of listeners who might be looking for like a

26:24

courtroom scene and I don't think that's these characters

26:26

and I don't think that's this story right now.

26:28

Right. That might be the epilogue that

26:30

we get like oh

26:32

yeah it might here's how the trials went

26:34

you know yeah absolutely. Also I

26:36

think I'll say really quick I said I think Alyosha

26:38

might be one of the few people who would do

26:40

that sort of forgiving clearly some of

26:43

the freed divines from the Garden of Fidelity

26:45

also wanted to do that sort of forgiveness

26:48

but I think that that's pretty consistent with how we've played

26:50

divines over the years too classically sometimes

26:52

grace just gets like this right.

26:54

Divines live in a different type

26:57

of time and

26:59

seem flexible in ways because

27:03

in terms of what their perspectives on the

27:05

world are partly because

27:07

they live in such

27:09

different time spans generally speaking right. Yeah.

27:12

There's also this is

27:14

a thing that I've been picking up on or at

27:16

least that I've been reading in where

27:18

like there is a

27:20

flip side to the classic like we could

27:23

have made them look like anything and made

27:25

them look like us kind of thing which

27:27

is from the divine perspective like they

27:30

made us look like them and

27:32

like there are definitely some divines who

27:35

are going to feel a sense of

27:37

obligation towards creator like

27:39

the you know it's

27:42

not really a creator anymore but like there

27:44

is still a sense of like we

27:46

would not exist but for them so

27:50

you know what does that mean that's I

27:52

think part of what fizbee is trying to

27:54

unpick is like what

27:57

you know I want to say that like I think a

28:00

lot of what what Jack you've said about

28:02

August in this is aligned with

28:04

what Fisbee thinks and she'd probably want to

28:06

tag along for this, but like

28:09

there is a sense of like

28:11

whenever it is divines plus

28:15

you know people humans mortals

28:17

whatever however we want to frame humans isn't

28:20

right but you know what I mean.

28:23

Whenever those two factors combine holy

28:26

empire seems to follow and

28:29

like what if we tried something else what if

28:31

what if it didn't have to be that way

28:34

what if there wasn't this sort

28:36

of obligation this

28:38

like parasitic obligatory

28:41

thing that keeps repeating you know. Yeah

28:45

break the wheel. I

28:48

was thinking of raising it in

28:50

character about Fisbee's involvement so so

28:53

I don't know if you'd like to come or if August

28:56

is absolutely welcome to come. No no gatekeep

29:01

August is gatekeep. Lord

29:04

knows I've made August to hang along on so many things.

29:08

I imagine Fisbee just like looking expectantly at

29:10

them sometimes like I'm just gonna go do

29:13

a thing you

29:15

can come. Um yeah all

29:17

right. So

29:23

temple of threshold you

29:27

entering into it this time because before the last

29:29

time we saw it was you were kind of

29:31

at the at the gate of creston right there's

29:33

no I guess that was that was levi visited

29:35

the first time right that was levi and creston

29:37

you did go to the kind of the in

29:40

my mind the kind of edge of one of

29:42

these bridges these kind of cloth bridges. Yeah August

29:44

brought an army outside the gates to get them

29:46

to turn over gentian and crusade um

29:48

and now I think is coming as

29:50

like a you know the truce is being

29:53

going well except for that bit with clementine

29:55

who we who we who we disavow brought

29:57

down two divides um

30:00

Yeah, I think, you know, welcomed

30:03

inside or... Yeah,

30:06

I think that's actually... Actually, Ally, because post... Sorry, go

30:08

ahead and ask Ally. Do you want to chat with

30:10

Thisbe on the approach, or would

30:12

you like to chat with Thisbe in situ? Oh,

30:16

um, no. I'm sorry. I wasn't

30:18

trying to call out a specific conversation

30:20

there. I was imagining August

30:23

inviting Brine, and Brine

30:25

being like, well, Thisbe should come to this, right? Oh,

30:29

yeah. Yeah, I

30:31

don't think Ally was asking for a

30:33

scene. Right. We don't have to zoom

30:35

in on that. I just feel like

30:38

that's the order of events. Yeah, definitely.

30:40

I think welcomed in, you know, not

30:42

just because the things went okay last

30:44

time, but post-Creston, post-Levy's, you

30:46

know, why do we have to get permission

30:49

to help each other thing? I'm

30:52

sorry. You're talking about the Hexagon? Yeah,

30:54

I'm talking about Hexagon. Yeah, that's right. Oh,

30:58

goddamn. Who

31:01

do they send out? Is that like... Oh,

31:04

I don't know. I

31:06

don't know. I

31:09

don't know. I don't know. I

31:12

don't know. I

31:14

don't know. Oh, goddamn. Who

31:18

do they send out? Is there like... Is

31:21

this a round table? I mean, do we want...

31:23

What's the Gestalt, right? Yeah.

31:27

They could do a lot of different things here, right? I

31:29

mean, I think that you are... This is a... You

31:32

call ahead? You set up a meeting

31:34

or are you just showing up? Yeah, I think set up

31:36

a meeting. We know that they like

31:39

calls ahead. Yeah.

31:42

Yeah, because Dre showed up.

31:45

They're like, who the fuck are you? They played

31:47

out of a well. Really,

31:49

they were like, you didn't even call. Exactly.

31:52

Exactly. They had a point. You

31:55

know, you worked it out. It all turned out all

31:57

right. It all turned out okay. Who?

32:02

God, here's a fun one. Bright

32:05

Mercy shows up to

32:07

welcome you, who

32:11

was the delegate

32:14

of Mercy, who introduced

32:17

the wagon wheel crew

32:19

to Joyus Guard. What's

32:22

for her? And it's like, here

32:24

she is. Is

32:27

she that Bright Mercy? Is she,

32:29

I don't know, I don't know. And

32:37

she's like, you know, right

32:39

this way where we've been expecting you, we

32:42

have rooms prepared in case this

32:44

turns into an overnight stay, or you

32:46

just wanna drop things off. Thank

32:49

you. You're shown to

32:51

rooms and you're moving through the space,

32:53

which really does emphasize that it

32:55

is, this was a Stelnedeo

32:58

space three months ago, or six

33:00

months ago or something. I don't know what the

33:02

timescale we're playing with is now here in. Are

33:04

there any Deo colors and banners still on the

33:06

walls? Has the Gestalt removed

33:08

those? I think it's probably replaced

33:11

those with something else. And,

33:15

but I don't know what

33:17

exactly. And I think, but I do

33:19

think that there has been some sort of like emerging

33:23

reconstruction, architecturally of

33:25

the internals of this place. It's

33:29

still a little mini city in the

33:31

middle of this big domed Colosseum type

33:33

arena space, but I

33:35

think there is a, I

33:40

think that there is a degree of like, and

33:42

here's a little corner that was

33:44

built by

33:47

a sort of a focal point,

33:50

like sometimes different parts of

33:52

Wakeful will come into deep focus and

33:54

collaborate together. And so it's like, here

33:57

is like where guilt. and

34:00

emphasis worked together on a thing.

34:02

You know, here's where these parts

34:04

of who we are collaborated and

34:06

melded together and produced these

34:08

buildings or this public artwork or something like

34:11

that, right? There's

34:13

like a raising

34:16

and lowering scale of how

34:19

often different subcomponents of

34:22

Wakeful work

34:24

together in that way, you know? And

34:26

sometimes it is a fully active

34:29

you know, bringing all of

34:32

its attention to one

34:34

point in one place as

34:36

Wakeful. And other times it's

34:38

smaller subcomponents are functioning in

34:41

pairs or in groups. And

34:44

that is like all of that is available to

34:46

Wakeful as it needs,

34:48

you know? And

34:50

then non-divine people as well, you know?

34:52

Yeah. And I think that's the biggest

34:54

sign of Nadean influence here,

34:56

right? There are just people

34:58

who are definitely wearing the clothes of Nadean

35:00

settlers. There are people

35:03

who still check their like resonance watches

35:05

or whatever, you know? Listening

35:08

to Siri do their little like, what's

35:11

their weekly report, you know? Is

35:14

it still coming through? Resonance?

35:17

Yeah. Yeah. Broadcasting

35:20

from within Wakeful. Yeah, I

35:22

think that there was like a decision made which was like, oh, this

35:24

is a thing that these people find

35:26

helpful. And are

35:28

they, is it still also doing the surveillance state

35:30

part of this? TBD.

35:35

You might want to ask Wakeful about that. Who's

35:38

to say? I

35:41

mean, I think... Yeah. You

35:43

know, at the meeting, several

35:48

of these Gestalt bodies, so

35:50

that different facets

35:54

are able to speak simultaneously and discuss. What's

35:56

the room like where the meeting is? It

35:59

is... It's

36:03

a cloister of the

36:06

Temple of the Threshold. So it's not like

36:08

the main nave, which I imagine has been

36:11

that is some sort of like internal government space,

36:13

and I'm using government there in the loosest possible

36:15

word, you know what I mean. That's

36:18

like, that is wakeful space, or space to

36:20

think or work things through, or you know,

36:22

that is the place that the sort of

36:24

melded body inhabits. But here

36:27

on a nave, with

36:29

outside there are, you know, still some colored

36:31

banners from when this was a temple, and

36:35

you know, benches and tables that have been

36:37

set up, you know, big

36:40

windows on either side, but not a

36:42

particularly imposing space. Yeah, they're

36:44

not trying to show off necessarily. No,

36:46

and in fact, they might be like,

36:49

well, you know, the showing off space is currently

36:51

doing something else. And

36:55

I think, yeah, I'd like to begin by just,

36:57

this is out of character, I'd like to, you

37:00

know, emphasize the areas of collaboration

37:02

that we've been doing really well in and you

37:04

know, I'd like to

37:06

extend my thanks to moments that they came

37:08

in and broke windows. And I think some

37:10

of August's righteousness here is absolutely being like,

37:12

this is the first half of the negotiations.

37:14

And some of it is like, I

37:17

didn't have the resources to fix that thing. And

37:19

I'm genuinely grateful for it. He

37:22

is navigating his own internal sort

37:24

of like, different facets of I wish they

37:27

hadn't done that. And that

37:29

one was really useful. But he's presenting it all as

37:31

like, you know, we're really grateful for the for the

37:33

work and the collaboration that has been set up. I

37:36

know that you had a chance to meet levitation.

37:41

Yeah, and I think that they

37:43

they follow through on that with

37:45

one one little extra twist, which

37:50

is like, they are not shy

37:53

about naming the

37:56

delegates or the temporary like the kind of

37:59

like flash delegates. that they've made

38:01

to help in specific ways, which

38:03

sometimes are aspects of Nadean divines,

38:05

right? Out

38:08

the gate, you know, they

38:11

are willing to say that like, because

38:13

that's part of what's happened here, right? It's not,

38:15

it's not just, oh resonance is here, right? It's

38:19

that, it's that generous resonance

38:21

helped repair the waterworks,

38:23

you know, in, in Karhe,

38:28

right? It's that you

38:31

know, we've already established

38:33

not consecration, right? But like, similarly

38:37

other Nadean groups

38:40

or forces or new delegates

38:42

of Nadean divines helped

38:45

in ways XYZ and they're not

38:47

super shy about saying that

38:50

outright, you know? And

38:52

it's as this continues for a bit that, you

38:54

know, August righteousness, you know, places his hands on

38:56

the table palms down and kind of looks down

38:58

at his hands and looks up at the group

39:01

and says, and now

39:04

we come to the secondary matter of

39:06

our meeting. This is of grave

39:08

importance and part of the reason that I've

39:11

traveled here today in person

39:13

to discuss this with you face to face. Your

39:17

organization harbors criminals,

39:20

many criminals who have

39:22

done great harm to my people and

39:25

to the people of this planet. And

39:28

we need to begin a series of discussions

39:31

as to what is to be done

39:33

about this. We're

39:40

always happy to have conversation. We're

39:43

gonna have it now. And

39:45

he opens his briefcase and inside

39:48

his briefcase is a list

39:50

of the Nadean divines that he

39:53

could pull

39:55

together as well as

39:57

a list of Nadean officers.

40:01

names drawn from logs recovered at the

40:03

lone mob, not the lone marble group,

40:07

captured Nadean bases and

40:09

yeah, collaborate, you know, as

40:11

we got towards the end and the authority

40:14

was collaborating with each other, you know, pulling

40:16

lists from lone marble, pulling lists from things

40:18

recovered from the paint shop, etc.

40:22

And slides this

40:24

across the table. They

40:31

look at the list and, you

40:34

know, I think this is

40:36

Bright Mercy, you know, says,

40:40

we'll take this into consideration. You'll

40:43

take this into consideration today. These

40:46

people are leaving with us in

40:49

manacles, or the

40:51

relationship between your group and

40:53

ours is going to take a decidedly different

40:55

turn. We

40:59

are already taking it into consideration.

41:03

You would rush us on carving

41:06

away part of who we

41:08

are, even given our

41:11

history. Carving

41:14

away part of who we are. The

41:16

people that you are protecting have carved

41:18

away so much of myself, of

41:21

this planet, of people that I care about

41:23

for generations. Yes, I'm rushing you.

41:27

You can make these decisions now, or you can

41:29

make them over a

41:31

series of blunt communications

41:33

between our diplomats. We

41:40

wish you had our perspective. You

41:49

see no possibility for reintegration,

41:52

for change, for

41:54

how in joining

41:57

us, These

42:03

living processes could

42:05

find better context. I'm not

42:12

interested. Speaking is slow righteousness. Can

42:15

I tell? Yes,

42:19

I can tell. When the

42:21

divine that I am part of

42:23

is, you know, I think that's a bafflement.

42:27

And, you know, I think part of the way

42:29

August righteousness works as a delegate is, you know,

42:32

we've talked about how the divines have when

42:34

delegates are kind of slivered

42:37

away from them. They lose that

42:39

capacity. And I think on

42:41

some level August righteousness is baffled. This

42:44

other righteousness is

42:46

not August is slow. And

42:51

says, I think

42:54

you mistake me, sister. I am

42:56

not conciliatory righteousness. I

43:00

don't care too much about these people's capacity

43:02

for change. I

43:05

care about making right what was

43:07

done to me. What

43:09

was done to my other brothers and sisters. Very

43:13

little patience for talking through slow change.

43:19

Why do you who

43:21

have lived for decades carry

43:24

greater authority than we who

43:27

were under the knife for millennia

43:30

in determining what justice looks

43:33

like for them? It

43:38

is selfish. It

43:44

stands up, sits down, you know, like

43:47

there's a real tension, real

43:50

tension here. Let me think. Is

43:57

there any Fisbee or Brine reaction to

43:59

this? Because

44:02

presumably they're in this room also they didn't just hang

44:04

out in the hotel or whatever. I

44:08

think that there is

44:12

an extreme timid

44:14

timidness from Brine

44:16

to interact here, both

44:19

knowing that they were sort

44:22

of invited as a weapon. And

44:27

also, if this breaks bad, that's why

44:30

Brine's here. That's, you know, they're not

44:32

the negotiator. I think

44:34

Brine is also in a difficult position

44:36

to speak about divine

44:39

rehabilitation. I'm

44:42

like super curious on

44:44

like what Asepsis

44:46

thinks here. I

44:49

think Asepsis is, I don't know.

44:52

My instinct, other people can

44:54

maybe say if they have

44:56

different instincts. My instinct is that Asepsis would side

44:59

with righteousness, but that might be August righteousness, but

45:01

that might be me thinking of classic

45:03

Asepsis, verify integrity, get

45:06

rid of. Counterpoint. Yeah,

45:08

please. Asepsis, generally

45:12

a fan of homogeneity. True.

45:15

Yeah, but I don't, is that what this is?

45:18

Or is this the inverse of that where it's

45:20

like the blending of

45:22

boundaries? I'm not staking a

45:24

claim on it. I'm just putting it out there. I

45:27

do think that there's something about

45:30

wakeful at all that

45:32

Asepsis rejects. And

45:36

that's why I don't think it's like attention in the scene

45:38

of like, well, what if Asepsis wants

45:40

to be a part of that or whatever? It's

45:44

a good angle that like, yeah,

45:47

truly the thing that August is pointing out

45:49

is that you were taking

45:51

these tainted elements in and

45:55

just saying it's fine. Yeah,

45:57

that to me seems like the way that- Very

45:59

anti-Asepsis. Yeah, yeah. I

46:03

mean, I think August righteousness, you know, slams his

46:05

fist down on the table and says, you

46:07

think I need to earn a sense

46:10

of authority in this moment, earn it under the knife

46:12

or earn it through some extended divine time. I

46:14

did not have the

46:18

length of time and knowledge

46:21

that you have. I was

46:25

cut away from you. But

46:30

I know what has been done to the

46:33

people I love, and I would

46:35

not see that continue under

46:37

the sort of I can't

46:40

find the way he say it but but under the sort of

46:42

the the soft guise of

46:44

well slowly we'll be able to

46:46

rehabilitate these people. And

46:50

then I think also, you know, like,

46:52

like, sliding angrily from

46:55

one angle to another.

46:57

He says,

47:00

and none of this will work.

47:02

It's already happening. They are already turning

47:04

you against us. They are already turning

47:06

you against the world that they got

47:09

three quarters of a way through taking,

47:12

and they seek to take the last quarter. Oh,

47:17

brother. It is sad. Give

47:20

us a moment. It

47:23

may be that we

47:25

can be more patient than you can be. Give

47:30

me a dice roll. I

47:32

think what they're considering internally is,

47:35

you know what, sure, we'll lose

47:37

them for a generation

47:39

or two. This

47:42

is fucking. This

47:45

is just city sobbing

47:48

and saying you think you get a

47:50

little win. But

47:52

on a long enough line, you know,

47:55

you know, I you know it's partly I think

47:57

it's them saying like hey what's okay well what

47:59

happens here. They we put them

48:01

in manacles. We give them to you. We send

48:03

them on their way with kind words all the

48:05

humans die All the humans die.

48:07

They won't go to have the capacity to

48:10

die. It's it's you you bring them

48:12

Presumably you I don't know maybe they

48:14

don't know but I suspect all the humans dies at aria joys

48:17

harm They

48:21

go to a divine

48:25

rehabilitation center on In

48:27

the Twilight Mirage somewhere is what they're thinking right?

48:30

They don't assume you execute them But even if you

48:32

killed them, you can't kill them in a way that

48:34

matters Right

48:38

because that device right and this is

48:40

so hard grounding them up into a

48:42

pace well, and we know, huh? Can

48:46

that commit? They can't

48:48

be destroyed. No, they have their pallet

48:51

their municipality divines are

48:53

gumption Have the gumption

48:55

tech in them that makes them always able

48:58

to be resurrected. I would like to briefly

49:01

Say one way. Yeah, go ahead say on the

49:03

record as you know friends of the table is

49:05

often the presence of watching a writers room one

49:07

of the Notes that I took

49:09

as a possible version of this scene is righteousness

49:11

tries to destroy future question mark Sealing it away

49:14

in a box would be a disaster Shatter

49:16

it question mark and all I could think of was

49:18

keep saying have you tried grinding it into a paste?

49:24

But then I was like everybody's just gonna stop breathing

49:26

in future This is not we have

49:28

one place that we've seen divine's able to be

49:30

dead and yeah Which

49:33

is a sort of nightmare scenario

49:35

that it becomes a prison of death

49:37

instead of a place of respite

49:39

Which is what the chimera cadent

49:41

was had built it to be you know And

49:45

you know rigor got knocked into a Sun, but that was

49:47

pre gumption. There's all pre gumption I post

49:49

gumption rigor could come back from being knocked into

49:51

the Sun That's what happened. They

49:53

did show they don't know where it is Well,

49:56

no, my point being sorry if rigor

49:58

had been a post Oh, I see. Divine.

50:02

Yes. Rigor cannot come back. Rigor was

50:04

destroyed by the sun, right? Because it didn't

50:06

have whatever this weird, super magical

50:08

nanotech shit that Gumption had that

50:10

allowed it to be rebuilt from,

50:12

you know, echoes of particles,

50:14

whatever the fuck it is that motion just

50:17

did. To continue the conversation that we were

50:19

having earlier, this is a major difference between

50:21

divines and non-divines. August Righteousness

50:23

is going to die one day. Right. You

50:26

know, so is it. Divines here, I

50:28

should say there are some divines here

50:30

like integrity that do not have that

50:32

ability. If integrity dies here, integrity is

50:34

dead. Interestingly. Yeah.

50:37

Different era, you know. Different era was a long

50:40

time ago. Belgrade did not

50:42

have that technology. Interestingly,

50:44

is now part of the chimeric. You

50:46

know, but the weird example because Belgrade

50:48

did technically die and come back. True.

50:51

Yes. Yes. But

50:53

different way. Yeah. Yeah. So,

50:56

you know, it's a pleasant role. Pleasant role. Although

50:59

we'll see. So two

51:02

days for me. Uh huh. Starts

51:04

with three on the opposition. Plus

51:07

one for the relevant relationship

51:09

here. Which is Clem.

51:12

This is Clem as the August

51:15

Righteousness is saying. Clean

51:18

the fucking house. Uh huh. Um.

51:22

And then there's no troubles over over three

51:24

or three or over. So there's no nothing

51:27

from that. Then relevant burdens and

51:29

relevant obstacles. Troubled by

51:31

dreams. Absolutely. That's

51:33

one. Compromised leadership? Nope. The

51:36

leaders aren't here. We have to. We've set

51:38

terms. It will be hard to actually capture them. They're

51:40

slippery. I think that that's

51:42

two counts. Yeah. Iconoclasts can't tell

51:44

the difference. That's nothing. You

51:47

have surrounded yourself with immensely dangerous

51:49

captives. You gonna arrest them? Okay.

51:53

Let's see. So that's three more. That is six. Six

51:56

feet three. Someone wanna roll

51:58

the opposition dice. Now

52:00

at the beginning of the game, we said, has August

52:02

been lucky recently? And I said lucky. Let's

52:06

see. Okay. Not

52:09

the worst. Okay. I

52:12

rolled a one six, a four, two

52:14

threes and two twos. Yeah. So

52:16

six, four and three plays. Four, three. Jack.

52:20

Okay. Five,

52:22

three, one. Oh,

52:26

August. No, no, there's a way to do this.

52:29

Well, just don't defend the six. I

52:31

mean, I can, I can indulge in

52:33

my vices. What's this called engaging in weakness?

52:36

Engaging in weakness. What is your chosen? What

52:38

is your favorite weakness?

52:41

My favorite weakness is menace with

52:44

ties. I

52:47

was thinking, but the

52:50

problem is, is that taking misfortune

52:52

here is going to have

52:56

negative outcomes. I

52:58

mean, yeah, but this

53:01

is such an interesting question in terms of like, no,

53:03

not necessarily, not necessarily, not necessarily

53:06

because the final, the final

53:09

fortune or misfortune is about the kingdom. Oh

53:12

yeah. This is such

53:14

an interesting question of like where narrative power

53:16

sits, you know, is it, is it more

53:18

advent narrative power sits in

53:21

a store, in a, in a game

53:23

system, right? Where is it like, is

53:25

it more advantageous for me to not

53:27

gain misfortune here, to

53:29

save further

53:32

kingdom pain later, or

53:37

do you see what I'm saying? I do. You're

53:40

in a really tough place is what I will

53:42

say mechanically right now. You have three misfortune and

53:44

one fortune. Yeah. This

53:46

means that I am going to end on a

53:48

misfortune die. Whatever. Well, we'll see. You

53:50

will probably get one more fortune in

53:53

the end because of the

53:57

thing about ending. No.

54:00

Yeah. Which I believe we are now

54:03

with this scene passing the possibility of.

54:06

I guess it's not true. You could you could

54:08

you could crush multiple sixes. The

54:11

the the you're right. The the opposition

54:13

could roll three sixes and win

54:16

on those. And that could change everything. Right. So

54:18

I shouldn't say shit. But it's

54:20

it's increasingly rare. It's increasingly

54:23

rare or improbable. But

54:27

you know, it's going to be tough. You'll

54:29

get a fortune from here no matter what.

54:31

And essentially maybe two. Two. Yeah, two. If

54:33

you lash out, you're looking at least two

54:35

fortune for winning on a five and a

54:37

three. Of course, lashing out will produce another

54:40

misfortune. And Jack

54:42

is going to get a misfortune from the six. I

54:45

mean, here's the thing. The

54:48

six, the six is narrative positioning is

54:50

not good. It is doom. Is

54:52

there a value in lashing out to

54:56

try and remove the possibility of doom?

55:02

Major misfortune. You know, part of

55:04

the reason August came here was

55:06

because they saw a

55:08

terrible vision of like a new seat

55:10

of empire. And let's say, for

55:12

example, let's say,

55:14

for example, that I win

55:16

the scene. They hand over the prisoners, but

55:18

there's like a rebellion among the

55:21

prisoners. And, you know, we essentially just reproduce

55:24

Stella Dejo again outside of

55:26

Wakeful. I

55:30

think. That

55:32

your your mechanically your best

55:34

case scenario, which is not

55:37

that bad of a thing to do, I think I

55:39

think the downside to this is pretty low is

55:42

to lash out to reroll the six bank

55:45

on that not rerolling as a five or a

55:47

six, which is, you know, a gamble,

55:49

obviously, and then possibly end

55:51

up with two fortune and

55:53

two misfortune out of this one. Because if you're

55:56

going to land, then you have to menace to

55:58

win the tie. You're in a. That's

56:00

too well, no because it would be let's say

56:02

that the five becomes a four then you can

56:04

win the As

56:07

I said the five becomes a three then you can

56:10

win the two threes and lose the four no

56:12

you don't win ties No,

56:15

there's a five. There's a five. Oh, okay.

56:17

I'm sorry. I miss read this three as

56:19

a four Jacks. Yeah here hold on Well,

56:22

you'd have to roll it. You have to roll less than

56:24

a three or a one. You're not getting another win I

56:28

think you might just have to take it I

56:30

know I do that would come right the thing

56:32

that would come from rerolling the doom would be

56:35

changing and not have a doom And this is

56:37

a narrative thing would be it would go from

56:40

Changing the world to just putting more

56:42

on August righteousness Right,

56:46

which is like a

56:48

Jack maneuver if ever there's been one Mechanically

56:52

that's about you wouldn't impact the

56:54

map you wouldn't draw another trouble

56:57

Which means that you wouldn't risk putting one of

56:59

these twos back up to three which would impact

57:01

every scene after this, right? So

57:03

there is value there is a potential value there for

57:05

sure But that's a

57:08

but it's mostly not entirely but mostly

57:10

a narrative value Playing the

57:12

misfortune fortune game right now is not does

57:14

not look like it's going well for August

57:16

righteousness Based on this die roll,

57:18

but also based on just where they

57:20

were at coming into this, you know

57:23

troubled by awful dreams You

57:28

know sometimes you'll deliver the box containing a treasure

57:30

that you've been hunting for years and you open

57:32

it up and it's like terrible

57:34

news my friend Yeah,

57:38

you know you could yeah, I'm gonna

57:41

lash out on the six just the six not not

57:43

any other ones No,

57:45

I don't For

57:48

I definitely don't want to lash out on that three

57:51

you would need the 40. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

57:53

Again lashing out on the four is mckiss

57:55

is mathematically correct But you tried to sell

57:57

me this last time art and then it

57:59

went really bad for Orca's righteousness. That's not

58:01

how math works. Yeah, it's been, this is

58:03

a, it's been selling, it's been selling a

58:05

lot at the store, the reroll the four.

58:07

Yes. I

58:10

can hear the Bellatro

58:12

music playing. I was literally like, all

58:14

right. We

58:16

take those. Keith, yeah, we take those. Do you want to,

58:18

do you want to reroll the six? I'll reroll the six,

58:20

sure. We

58:23

take those. Great. Oh,

58:25

we got the Cavendish. That's right. No, but losing on

58:27

a one does suck. They don't lose all the, they

58:29

don't. They're going to win off there. They're

58:31

going to see. Oh, they're going to do that.

58:33

Yeah. Yeah. You

58:36

don't, they don't, you reroll the whole, you reroll

58:38

inside of the dice. I think that just happens.

58:40

I pulled the one off and put the three

58:42

on, because that's what they now have four, three,

58:44

three, instead of five fourth, instead of six, four,

58:46

three. Okay. So I take one

58:48

misfortunes from lashing out. And then am I

58:50

going to take another misfortune from the, Yeah.

58:54

From the four. Yeah. Yeah. From

58:57

the four or the three, it doesn't matter. But I guess

58:59

narrative. Yes. Oh, it's

59:01

not. It's in addition to exhausting

59:03

relationship. It's an addition

59:05

to. The die is covering that, but

59:07

you do get a, a

59:13

fortune as well, right? From the five. The five

59:15

will give you a fortune. The five and you

59:17

lose a fortune for the last. Hey, are we

59:19

sure it's a misfortune in

59:22

addition to exhausting a relationship? Yes. Yes.

59:25

Because the relationship no longer play. You can see here.

59:28

There's a little icon. It says additionally, Mark fortune

59:30

or misfortune in the final chapter. Yeah. And

59:32

that's on two, sorry. That's on three, four, and five

59:34

on both sides. And

59:38

that's as additionally. So technically what you should

59:40

be doing is deciding, do you want

59:42

a new obstacle or do you want an exhausted relationship?

59:45

Well, you should sort of be keeping in

59:48

mind. It's the last round. I just get

59:50

the same. You don't, you don't. It's additionally,

59:53

you do get both. We don't have

59:55

to care, but narratively, I do think

59:57

it's interesting. If you would rather this

59:59

be. a narratively a new obstacle

1:00:02

or exhausting a relationship. Cause I think

1:00:04

those are different outcomes. This is exhausting

1:00:06

the relationship because it's Clementine, right? It's

1:00:09

going, it's going, you have come

1:00:11

in here and talked such a big game about,

1:00:14

you know, the sharp teeth

1:00:18

of justice. Of justice, yeah. And

1:00:22

you know, this isn't August righteousness immediately sends

1:00:24

out hit squads, but it's like, if

1:00:27

there was the worm in your stomach

1:00:29

that was, it feels bad every time

1:00:31

you use Clementine for an op, now

1:00:34

it's just paralyzing, you know? All

1:00:38

right, so what's

1:00:41

the good part of this? What does your wing

1:00:43

look like? I

1:00:46

mean, immediately this doesn't break bad. People

1:00:49

don't start drawing pistols. They

1:00:54

start handing people over. They come

1:00:56

back and they say, I

1:01:00

imagine that there has been some pretty

1:01:02

serious lobbying within the

1:01:04

Gestalt for the

1:01:06

time works differently for non-divines.

1:01:10

And then I think there have been people who say, what

1:01:13

does this matter? You know, you're

1:01:15

talking to someone, you're talking to, you

1:01:17

are talking through August to, you know,

1:01:20

millions, maybe a billion people for

1:01:23

whom time works this way. What

1:01:26

are we compromising by basing

1:01:28

our ideas of justice on a

1:01:31

time scale that vast amounts

1:01:33

of people do not have access to? I

1:01:35

mean, I actually, here's the thing that I think

1:01:37

to visualize this very, maybe not very

1:01:40

clearly. In fact, I'm gonna make

1:01:42

it less, I'm gonna make it more opaque. For

1:01:44

a moment, the shell

1:01:46

of slow righteousness looks at you and

1:01:50

there is a chord

1:01:53

that plays. There is

1:01:55

a light,

1:01:58

a color. a

1:02:00

sort of red, sort of

1:02:02

deep red that you feel

1:02:04

inside. And

1:02:07

it is approval from the

1:02:09

divine righteousness, cohesive

1:02:12

in a moment. This

1:02:15

is what righteousness would do. Were

1:02:18

it to be as whole as it could be, or

1:02:21

at least so it thinks. And

1:02:25

it's like, I don't know, you feel wind,

1:02:27

right? You feel tall grass,

1:02:30

you feel gray sky and the color red.

1:02:35

And it is of course also an invitation. No

1:02:41

words said, but a sense, a

1:02:44

sense that conversations, debates like these

1:02:47

are happening constantly, and

1:02:49

you don't get to be part of them because you're out

1:02:51

here. Damn,

1:02:55

August righteousness turning and doing that meme

1:02:57

with the holding hands with all the

1:02:59

people who Samothis looked at points

1:03:02

in higher. God,

1:03:06

battening it down inside of himself. This is

1:03:08

not the conversation for today. This is, you

1:03:10

know, there's work to be done. I

1:03:15

think the specific thing here too is like the

1:03:17

sense that you're getting is like, the

1:03:19

divines can talk, the weak folk can talk all this

1:03:21

game about patience and oh, we can

1:03:23

reintegrate the divines that are taken from us here, blah, blah,

1:03:25

blah, blah, blah. They won't get

1:03:27

to reintegrate fucking Joe Nadeo, right?

1:03:31

Joe Nadeo is getting the fuck out of

1:03:33

here, right? Joe Nadeo's leaving here. Joe the

1:03:35

plumber Nadeo. He's going to have a court

1:03:37

case, you know? Joe Nadeo is going to

1:03:39

have to stand in front of people and

1:03:41

say like, yes, I diverted the

1:03:44

supplies from the civilians to the military, you

1:03:46

know? No, they found a hunter in a

1:03:48

day of laptop. But was this also explicitly

1:03:50

about other divines? Oh yeah, them too. Yeah,

1:03:53

sorry. My point being the perspective

1:03:55

Righteous is giving is like, yes,

1:03:57

maybe the other divines do get reintegrated from way. 500

1:03:59

years from now. Jonadeo

1:04:02

will not. Oh, right, yes,

1:04:04

in the long view, maybe we'll get

1:04:06

residents. I didn't even know Jonadeo was here.

1:04:08

What? Yes. I've been

1:04:10

talking about Jonadeo. Jonadeo? Yeah, Jonadeo is here.

1:04:12

Leader of the- No,

1:04:14

no, it's like some fucking- No, Jonadeo. It's

1:04:17

like Joe Q. Public. It's

1:04:20

like Lance Corporal Arnold's. Arnold

1:04:23

Nadeo is here. I thought I was participating

1:04:25

in the joke, and I see that I

1:04:27

was not. I thought you were too. That

1:04:31

Austin was not ready for me to participate that

1:04:33

way. I thought that you were saying you didn't

1:04:35

understand that Nadeo and humans were part of wakefolds.

1:04:37

Like, operation. No, I was talking

1:04:39

to the man named Jonadeo. My

1:04:43

great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather, Arram

1:04:46

Nadeo would've- Yes.

1:04:49

Oh, yeah, well, my great-great-great-great-great-grandpa

1:04:52

would've beat up your great-great-great-great-great-grandpa.

1:04:55

Might be true. Also,

1:04:58

they probably share both of those

1:05:00

great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandpas. No, they don't. We

1:05:02

know Arram Nadeo and even Gardner. Levi's

1:05:05

great-great-great-great-grandpa was even. And Cascabal. hypothetical

1:05:08

randos. No, because we have a

1:05:11

character here who is explicitly the

1:05:13

great-great-great-great-great-grandson. Yeah, I forgot. Okay,

1:05:15

arrest the divines. Oh, man, this is

1:05:18

fucked up, because the divines did a

1:05:20

lot of merging and shit. Yeah,

1:05:22

it's violent. This is a violent act. Yeah, yeah,

1:05:24

yeah. Well, I was gonna say that, what

1:05:27

I was gonna say explicitly is that,

1:05:29

like, righteousness wants the humans... This

1:05:32

is not like, we're getting them out

1:05:34

here. Come and meet us at this place. Turn yourself

1:05:37

in. This is, you know, what worked

1:05:39

for Exynchester March. It turns out works

1:05:41

for, you know, Nadeo and

1:05:43

subordinates. Yeah. And

1:05:46

I think that- I think they make you watch.

1:05:48

I think they make you come and get the

1:05:50

divines as they are. You

1:05:52

know? Um, what

1:05:55

is the word I've been using for delegates all

1:05:58

season? I don't know if

1:06:00

that one is- being slivers, is being shaved away. Right?

1:06:03

What's, I mean, I want you to tell

1:06:05

me what does Wakeful, what does this

1:06:07

part of Wakeful look like? As

1:06:09

it sort of like, spits

1:06:12

up the divines you're taking.

1:06:18

It's, so

1:06:24

we realize we have two kind of emerging aesthetics here.

1:06:26

Right? We have on one hand, we've been talking

1:06:28

about some Cronenberg and shit with them, fleshy

1:06:31

and overlapping and, you

1:06:35

know, gestalt in a physical way.

1:06:37

And we're also often leveraging

1:06:40

the sort of delegate

1:06:42

synthetic shell that can

1:06:44

take different digital form type stuff. Right?

1:06:47

But I think here we were talking about a

1:06:50

physical body for Wakeful.

1:06:53

I think. Yeah. One of the

1:06:55

sort of like, something

1:06:58

large, some large hand, large

1:07:03

machine hand, or, you know, there's this, there

1:07:05

is this blurring, this Cronenberg blurring here as

1:07:07

the divines have sort of come together. Tears

1:07:12

off a part of itself and

1:07:15

crushes it or squeezes it inside

1:07:18

its own fist. And this,

1:07:20

this is painful for both the thing doing the

1:07:22

squeezing and the thing being squeezed. And

1:07:25

almost like, you know, when you squeeze putty

1:07:28

in your hand and then you open up your hand

1:07:30

and it has that weird sort of reverse mold of

1:07:32

the inside of your fingers, as

1:07:35

the hand opens, there is a

1:07:37

sort of inchoate semi-molded

1:07:40

shape of the

1:07:42

divine, the divine that

1:07:44

is being separated. And then the hand

1:07:47

closes again, and the same sort

1:07:49

of burst and then opens. And, you know,

1:07:51

the divine is more close to its original,

1:07:54

quote unquote, original, the form as we have seen it,

1:07:57

until eventually molded,

1:07:59

painful. from a portion of its

1:08:01

own limb

1:08:03

or chest or you know mass

1:08:06

underneath a cathedral that we can't

1:08:08

see comes the divines the Nudan

1:08:10

divines that we that we

1:08:12

know. Resonance

1:08:14

is like

1:08:17

cords countless thin cords

1:08:21

that are that are like thin like hair

1:08:24

giant thin like cables that

1:08:26

would you know run through a house

1:08:29

or something except their hair their hair like

1:08:32

in in size and they're

1:08:34

all it's just like a tangled mass of them I

1:08:36

mean it's been squeezed closed so they're all

1:08:38

gathered you know. A

1:08:41

touchstone for this that I think is not right

1:08:43

visually but thinking about there's thing about you saying

1:08:46

like removing part of your own hand something

1:08:48

that blur has always blurred the line between

1:08:50

organic and mechanical for me

1:08:52

is in The

1:08:55

Terminator there's the scene

1:08:57

where The Terminator repairs his

1:09:00

hand have you seen this?

1:09:03

I don't think so I've never seen any of the

1:09:06

Terminator movies but I've seen a bunch of

1:09:08

absolutely amazing gifts and stills there's

1:09:11

an incredible scene I was obsessed with and scared

1:09:13

of as a kid but I adored where

1:09:18

The Terminator. This

1:09:20

is Terminator Joe Terminator. In

1:09:23

this case we are talking about the literal

1:09:25

Joe Terminator. I

1:09:28

think I've said this before on the show but

1:09:30

the first two Terminator films are absolutely worth watching

1:09:32

yes frankly put this recording down watch those two

1:09:34

and come. I've linked the scene I need to

1:09:36

say right now that there is

1:09:40

he's cutting he is cutting open

1:09:42

his own arm and then also removes his own eye. It

1:09:45

is clinical

1:09:49

it is wild it is one of the most

1:09:51

wild things I've ever seen but

1:09:53

the way that he repairs the inside of his own

1:09:55

hand and like opens it up

1:09:57

and you can see the mechanical Pistons inside.

1:10:00

mixed with this synthetic flesh. And

1:10:02

he just takes a plier in there and is like, all

1:10:04

right, I gotta, okay, I have to pull this up. I

1:10:06

see what's gone wrong here, you know? This is fucking insane.

1:10:09

The special effects do not hold up, but.

1:10:11

Ah, it's great, I love it. No, I think this

1:10:13

looks great. This is horrible. Yeah, I think this looks

1:10:15

awesome. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's

1:10:17

great. I remember, I saw this 40%

1:10:19

asleep at Art's house trying desperately to

1:10:21

watch the rest of this movie because

1:10:23

I had just gotten off of 20

1:10:26

hours of travel. Was it a good time?

1:10:29

I really liked it until I literally, it is

1:10:31

so unlike me to fall asleep during a movie.

1:10:33

I just like had reached a

1:10:35

breaking point. But yeah, if you

1:10:37

come to my house and you haven't seen Terminator, there's

1:10:39

a pretty good chance. So Art is backing up his

1:10:41

words. I went to Art's house

1:10:43

and within 12 hours I was watching Terminator. Incredible. Terminator,

1:10:47

of course. Where the phrase tech

1:10:49

noir comes from. Oh. It's

1:10:52

the dance club from Terminator. Oh

1:10:54

my God. It's a very small downtown

1:10:56

LA dance club that's in a lot

1:10:58

of scenes, frankly. It's great. All

1:11:02

right. So yeah, where

1:11:05

do you take them? Is

1:11:07

the D&M becoming the, the

1:11:11

at least holding cell for these divines

1:11:14

as you continue to gather them up? Yeah,

1:11:16

I think so. I mean, I think so. God,

1:11:20

the like failed pseudo utopian

1:11:22

project becoming like a prison

1:11:24

for divides. Is it

1:11:26

also a prison for the people, for the

1:11:29

humans and synthetics of Nadia? No, I think

1:11:31

there's a lot of prison infrastructure left over

1:11:33

from the Empire. Yeah,

1:11:36

from the principality. Yeah, sure. D&M seems

1:11:38

kind of overkill for people. Yeah. Well,

1:11:41

you know, you have all that empty space, you

1:11:43

know? The reason why it's boring, Alice. The diet,

1:11:45

the, the divines in the D&M is because they're

1:11:48

often huge. The D&M is

1:11:50

huge. Which by the way, have you slid

1:11:52

devotion into there at this point? Yes.

1:11:56

Yeah. Not slid. It

1:11:59

was also gross. It was gross. It

1:12:01

was like a process of, and

1:12:04

there were a lot of people whose like bodies were

1:12:07

powering devotion. And I think they had a lot- Did

1:12:09

you extrude devotion to the dynamic? I had

1:12:11

an extrusion, yeah. Oh, like a sausage. I

1:12:14

do just want to zoom in on

1:12:16

the image of like the Nadean people

1:12:18

getting messages from resonance until

1:12:21

the Twilight Mirage sort of like

1:12:23

anti-divine crew moves in and it

1:12:25

just goes quiet. Yeah. Oh.

1:12:29

There's like a goodbye message gets sent. There's

1:12:31

like an end of service, like at the

1:12:33

end of a free to play mobile game

1:12:35

where there are a lot of, where it's

1:12:38

like resonance sends a message saying,

1:12:40

we'd like to thank you for your patronage over

1:12:42

the years. Well, and also some

1:12:44

sort of like prone to damn it, you know,

1:12:46

trust that in the coming days you will be

1:12:48

told that what you did was wrong. Understanding

1:12:51

your hearts that, you know, et cetera.

1:12:55

You know the truth of what our project here was, you

1:12:58

know, carry

1:13:00

the garden with you wherever

1:13:02

you go. It's really Joe Nadeo.

1:13:04

That's right. Real God, it'll lift

1:13:06

you out there. Joe Nadeo, you

1:13:09

know, yeah, chief operator, resonance. I

1:13:11

guess resonance probably has an elect, so it's

1:13:14

Joe Nadeo. Sooner

1:13:17

or later, someone's gonna have to figure out how

1:13:21

to kill the vines. Someone's gotta have to figure

1:13:23

that out again. Someone's gonna have to figure that

1:13:25

out. He's gonna come from particles. You might've wondered

1:13:27

what happens to elects in the sort of Gestalt

1:13:29

wakeful consciousness. That wasn't part of this show, but

1:13:31

it probably was gross. All

1:13:35

right, that's a scene. Also a sausage. And

1:13:37

then, right, right. And then like you said,

1:13:39

you exhaust the Clementine relationship here.

1:13:41

Yep, I took two misfortune and

1:13:44

one fortune. Okay, brutal.

1:13:46

All right, who's up?

1:13:48

We still have Corey, Clem, Fisbee,

1:13:51

and Brian. I got one. I'm,

1:13:54

oh, go ahead. I was

1:13:56

gonna say, I think this one like dovetails

1:13:58

nicely to that last one. Because

1:14:00

I think it's a thing that like once

1:14:04

the prisoners are dropped off and stuff, Fizbe

1:14:06

could be like, hey, can we take a

1:14:08

quick detour? I said I would

1:14:10

meet someone. Ooh, sure. And

1:14:14

the thing that I want to do for this

1:14:16

scene is I want Fizbe

1:14:20

and Augustin Brine to

1:14:22

meet up with the

1:14:24

Chimeric Cadent in

1:14:27

the map. I

1:14:30

mean, I guess the afflicted lands because we're right

1:14:33

there. I don't know. Yeah,

1:14:35

sure. This little bit right here in

1:14:37

the southwest. Well, I was thinking

1:14:39

that the upper part. The upper ones. Okay.

1:14:42

Yeah, sure. I mean, the big thing

1:14:44

is that like I want to there's a degree

1:14:46

to which this is to this. The

1:14:49

whole thing of what I want to do is

1:14:51

too big. So I kind of want to

1:14:53

do a proof of concept version of it.

1:14:55

And I want to with

1:14:58

the help of the Chimeric Cadent

1:15:00

try to heal, refrain, perhaps. Whoa.

1:15:05

Yeah. Heal in what way?

1:15:09

Heal in sort of a broad

1:15:11

abstract way of like the

1:15:14

afflictions are they

1:15:18

are like divine suffering made

1:15:21

manifest, I guess. That's how they

1:15:23

feel. And

1:15:25

I think a thing

1:15:28

of like, if given the choice

1:15:30

between killing them or trying to

1:15:32

help them sort

1:15:35

of come back from the edge of

1:15:37

that suffering, Fizbe is going to want

1:15:40

to try to help them come back.

1:15:42

And I think if anyone is in

1:15:44

a position to help, it's going

1:15:46

to be the Chimeric Cadent. That's

1:15:50

everything about them is equipped

1:15:52

for that. Right.

1:15:54

Yeah. Yeah. They are probably actually in

1:15:57

what Corey has already set up as

1:15:59

the consecrated land. right? Yeah,

1:16:01

yeah. And or at least, you

1:16:03

know, maybe that's where refrain has

1:16:05

gone. Refrain obviously took that

1:16:07

offer that Brian gave gave

1:16:09

them about helping Millennium brake in some

1:16:11

ways. But I imagine still also shows

1:16:13

up in the consecrated land. I thought

1:16:16

like a chunk of a chunk of

1:16:18

refrain came with us and then the

1:16:20

rest of the refrain like was hanging

1:16:22

out. The divine fleet engineers did well,

1:16:24

they all it all it sided with

1:16:26

Millennium brake effectively, in exchange

1:16:28

for the opportunity to offer people in Millennium

1:16:30

brake or in on

1:16:32

Palisade in the cause. Oh,

1:16:34

right. Remember the ability

1:16:37

to like join with refrain, which

1:16:39

I think has not happened as much as refrain had

1:16:41

thought it would because things have been going better than

1:16:45

then they have. And also, there's a

1:16:47

competing amorphous join us blog. There is

1:16:49

also join. And it's not an affliction.

1:16:55

That actually makes me concerned. I don't

1:16:57

want to make a second blob

1:17:01

that starts some kind of

1:17:03

religion. It was

1:17:07

mostly like, you know, we

1:17:10

have history with refrain and it felt like it'd

1:17:12

be a good way to sort of bookend that

1:17:14

versus approaching an affliction that we haven't really seen

1:17:16

or spent time with on screen. Yeah.

1:17:19

You know, um, met dust.

1:17:23

Ally. Yeah, I well, I do think

1:17:25

that like maybe choosing another one here.

1:17:27

Because like, I mean, I think for

1:17:30

Brian, that was part of a socialization

1:17:32

attempt, right? Yeah, refrain sort of on

1:17:34

their healing journey already versus so they

1:17:37

didn't even be the best proof of

1:17:39

concept for this. Can it

1:17:41

be done thing because like, well, you know, Brian's

1:17:43

I've put in some work, they're, they're, they're getting

1:17:45

up, they're okay. They're interested.

1:17:47

They're talking to people. They're talking. Yeah. Whereas

1:17:50

the dust I recall being

1:17:52

less chill. Yeah,

1:17:56

yeah. Triceratores. Triceratores

1:17:59

making you all see a potential like

1:18:02

future live inside of a dream

1:18:04

of tomorrow that may or may not be. Can

1:18:08

I ask a question about about refrains

1:18:10

healing journey? Because

1:18:13

if they're out talking to people, don't they want

1:18:15

them for their sausage? They do.

1:18:17

But that's but they want them for

1:18:19

their salt. Well, no, they are willingly

1:18:22

openly working with Millennium Break

1:18:24

in ways that we have not zoomed in on.

1:18:27

But that was the stake of the scene. And

1:18:29

and Brian won that scene. Yeah,

1:18:31

right. So that is true. That is not whatever

1:18:34

additional motives. It's not ulterior motives

1:18:37

in the manipulative sense. Right. Right.

1:18:39

They have to be additional, not

1:18:41

ulterior because the role was a

1:18:44

success. Well, I think that like I imagine

1:18:46

there's just as many hospice situations

1:18:49

where like Millennium Break people might

1:18:51

agree to that. Right. As there

1:18:53

are like lattice

1:18:55

and co being a part of

1:18:57

like discussions

1:19:00

of like scheduling transports or stuff

1:19:02

like that, or like where, right,

1:19:04

right, you know, how to move

1:19:06

across this planet that they have,

1:19:10

you know, great perspective on how to do that.

1:19:13

Though the thing that I think is probably worth saying is like

1:19:15

refrain has not gone

1:19:17

back to calling itself antiquity, which is

1:19:19

what what its divine name was many,

1:19:22

many millennia ago. Right. It

1:19:25

sees itself as refrain now in some

1:19:27

meaningful way. And I think that

1:19:29

has not changed. And I don't know that

1:19:31

it will even if it is brought like,

1:19:35

that is who it is now, to

1:19:37

some degree, right. So yeah, I

1:19:39

just want to signal that for a listener who's

1:19:41

going to go back to being the divine antiquity.

1:19:43

Like this to me is not about

1:19:48

changing, like,

1:19:51

an identity, it is it is more about like,

1:19:54

it's, you know, pulling the thorn out of the

1:19:56

lion's paw. Yeah, you're not trying to make the

1:19:58

line into a dog. You're just trying to

1:20:01

make the lion not suffer. Yeah, and

1:20:03

like sure maybe it'll like you more. That's great Is

1:20:09

Who's in this scene? And

1:20:12

I know you said bride and August is Cory

1:20:14

here since it is the consecrated land where they

1:20:17

which Cory built for them It

1:20:21

could be yeah Yeah,

1:20:25

I think a lot of Cory's time right now is

1:20:27

being spent like making sure that's still Keeping

1:20:29

the last away from it Yeah,

1:20:32

yeah and keeping it. Yeah, just great.

1:20:35

I'm sure things take Yeah,

1:20:46

uh-huh, that's fun Also,

1:20:49

I would I would include lattice or

1:20:51

like a different delegate frame here if

1:20:54

we yeah that makes sense I

1:20:56

think it makes sense. It'd be good to

1:20:59

have another affliction to be like they're cool.

1:21:01

Yeah See

1:21:03

how it goes. I like dust for this

1:21:05

a lot, right? Yeah, I think dust is the right one

1:21:08

in a fun way before we have a

1:21:10

pretty good strong idea of seeing dust from a

1:21:12

couple of different sequences and stuff and you

1:21:15

know Here

1:21:18

we are in in the afflicted

1:21:20

lands in the consecrated land within

1:21:24

What if a mummy could be a mech shawl

1:21:26

and wrapped in deteriorating? You

1:21:28

know as you get close the the

1:21:31

sound begins to muffle, you know fog

1:21:34

descends You can still see

1:21:36

it in the distance the shape of it as

1:21:38

it walks it in circles and

1:21:44

Yeah, you you approach it what

1:21:46

is the what does the

1:21:48

reaching out look like? I

1:21:54

think the reaching out I Think

1:21:58

much like going to the lantern there's

1:22:00

a degree to which it happens up

1:22:03

on the on the approach because there's

1:22:06

a desire to not take

1:22:08

certain kinds of things by

1:22:10

surprise and

1:22:13

just to be like hey you know if you

1:22:16

announce that you're showing up much like if you're showing

1:22:18

up to fix someone's windows if you announce that you're

1:22:20

showing up then it's less

1:22:22

startling and it's less likely you're trying

1:22:24

to pull some shit because you've said hey

1:22:27

yeah right yes versus

1:22:29

just appearing and being like here's

1:22:32

my hammers yeah the

1:22:34

benefits of call ahead yeah it's

1:22:37

just polite I feel like

1:22:39

I could help facilitate that right yeah

1:22:42

I guess also like yeah

1:22:44

Corey I would assume

1:22:47

is in their good graces I sure

1:22:50

would hope so I think

1:22:53

it is good graces in

1:22:55

a in the way that

1:23:00

a dog might come to recognize

1:23:02

a rabbit as

1:23:04

not a threat you know I do

1:23:08

have the boon affliction aligned with perennial

1:23:10

sure okay yeah yeah might make that

1:23:12

a little stronger than just that but

1:23:14

definitely feels like it would do that

1:23:16

yeah then then yeah think of it

1:23:18

less as that and more of like

1:23:20

oh a dog

1:23:23

sees a group of other dogs coming but

1:23:25

it knows the lead one and so it's

1:23:27

like okay I guess this is okay you

1:23:29

know there's a

1:23:31

degree of familiarity you're vouching you

1:23:33

know but it is not a

1:23:36

it's not like oh

1:23:38

hey Corey what's up who are

1:23:40

you who are your friend what's

1:23:42

a big ref there with me

1:23:46

you know I think the

1:23:49

maybe a little echo of what it once did some

1:23:53

of its dust beings begin to approach I

1:23:55

mean all of your electronics we

1:23:58

start freaking out and

1:24:00

they don't approach enough to where the foggy

1:24:03

dust begins to like get inhaled

1:24:05

by you, but they do Take

1:24:08

your own forms. So suddenly there's

1:24:10

a big dust fizzbee. There's a

1:24:12

dust brine. There's a dust quarry and

1:24:15

they like get close enough to where you can

1:24:17

like see the outlines of their eyes and Then

1:24:20

they turn and start leading you

1:24:22

back towards dust They

1:24:25

do this sometimes. It's It's

1:24:27

fine And there's like a wall in the fog

1:24:29

like that or sorry There's a hole in the

1:24:31

fog and that kind of opens like a tunnel

1:24:33

that lets you approach without breathing it in And

1:24:37

therefore not you know once again falling into

1:24:39

the dream like state that you did down

1:24:41

in the dia dam So

1:24:43

many months ago We

1:24:48

can zoom in or zoom out here what what

1:24:50

does the actual process of doing this? I guess

1:24:52

the chimeric cadence is with you right so yeah

1:24:54

big creature with you, too yeah

1:24:58

the big like I I don't know if

1:25:00

this I think that I that I Wasn't

1:25:03

sure came across fully when we saw came

1:25:05

at the camera came before was

1:25:07

that the camera came is supposed to to

1:25:09

a degree Be beautiful. It's

1:25:12

like beautiful in a really horrifying way

1:25:14

I think that came across like like

1:25:16

the way like blood-borne boss can be

1:25:18

scary and beautiful. Yes Yeah, exactly And

1:25:23

I think that there is a you know,

1:25:25

I think the scale is kind of fun

1:25:29

dust itself the shape of dust itself

1:25:31

in the Kind

1:25:33

of shadow of it the silhouette of it in

1:25:35

the fog takes the same shape as the chimeric

1:25:37

Caden like trying it on you know in a

1:25:39

sort of like Sort

1:25:42

of like playing dress-up sense like oh, what's

1:25:45

this like? Ooh, I haven't seen something like

1:25:47

this before What's it

1:25:49

like to have big weird bat wings and

1:25:51

to be a weird weird three-faced creature? This

1:25:53

is sick You know always

1:25:55

asking What

1:26:01

happened once you were let into this kind of

1:26:03

the court of dust? Um,

1:26:07

I think... I

1:26:09

think this is kind of a situation where

1:26:12

as much as anything Fizbee is trying to

1:26:14

facilitate. Um, I kind of

1:26:16

imagine this, I didn't actually say it in the

1:26:18

August scene, but I kind of imagined Fizbee in

1:26:21

that scene kind of just like standing

1:26:24

behind August's chair, maybe putting a hand in the

1:26:26

back of the chair at certain moments where it's

1:26:28

just like, we have to stay calm

1:26:30

and just get through this. Um,

1:26:33

there's a sense of just like, I

1:26:36

can't, you know, acknowledging, I can't

1:26:38

just do it myself. Like

1:26:40

I tried to before. I can't just walk

1:26:43

in and say the thing and then it'll,

1:26:45

and then it'll happen and then like, that's

1:26:48

not really how it works most of the

1:26:50

time. Sometimes it'll work that way, sometimes it

1:26:52

won't. And

1:26:55

you know, maybe some additional value for the

1:26:57

relationships where that does work. Like some renewed,

1:26:59

um, some renewed appreciation

1:27:01

for Brian, I think in terms of just

1:27:03

like, oh, I say what I want to

1:27:05

have happen and then they

1:27:08

help it happen. That's cool. And that's a

1:27:10

warrior. That's not a thing. Yeah, it's not

1:27:13

common. It's, you know, there's a moment where

1:27:15

she was sort of taking it for granted,

1:27:17

I think. But

1:27:20

I think in this case, it is more

1:27:22

facilitation. It is like making

1:27:25

sure, okay, here are the components that I

1:27:27

think need to be combined. I

1:27:30

think we need an affliction who will hear

1:27:32

us out. That is dust, who

1:27:34

is sort of, who has, who has interfaced

1:27:36

a little bit with Corey through this

1:27:39

sort of sanctuary that's been

1:27:41

provided. And then

1:27:44

it is also the chimeric cadent who,

1:27:47

from my limited understanding, has, you

1:27:50

know, has this long history of

1:27:52

like, protecting divines who

1:27:54

want out and also has this,

1:27:57

you know, passive like this, this.

1:28:00

restorative, like, generally

1:28:04

benevolent, but

1:28:07

also a degree to which they

1:28:09

are also a monster. They are not, you

1:28:12

know, it's not Belgrade anymore. It

1:28:15

is a divine transformed

1:28:17

into something unrecognizable and

1:28:19

frightening by typical definitions.

1:28:22

Yeah, we're talking about Cronenbergian

1:28:25

flesh divines. Here we are. We already had

1:28:27

one this season, in fact. Yeah,

1:28:29

this is fun. I think we can

1:28:32

probably roll on this. The thing about this

1:28:34

that I like a lot is there's sort

1:28:36

of a like, well, how do you convince

1:28:39

divines to build a non-religious society where they're

1:28:41

able to, you know, interact with each other just

1:28:43

as like beings? You

1:28:46

show it to them. You just start talking.

1:28:48

You just start having tea parties. Like you

1:28:50

just like bring people over. You just show

1:28:52

like, here's this divine who's like, they

1:28:55

live off on their own and they do this thing. Or,

1:28:57

you know, you didn't show up with asking

1:29:00

them for their great wisdom. You

1:29:02

said, Hey, can we

1:29:04

talk about some stuff? Can we Yeah,

1:29:08

another like important factors. Fisbee

1:29:11

has not, and I, and will never introduce

1:29:13

herself as like the

1:29:16

elect or the anything of

1:29:18

integrity. It is just integrity

1:29:22

is a being that is with me. For

1:29:26

I don't know how long, but right now it is

1:29:28

a thing where we are together as a unit. And

1:29:30

like it is not Fisbee

1:29:32

saying that she is like

1:29:36

anything special and that is just, it is just

1:29:39

we're together for a bit like. Yeah, let's

1:29:41

build some dice pools. Opposition

1:29:44

starts with three. I think gains

1:29:46

one from confounded by the burden of free will. Probably

1:29:50

gains one from some divines and their shards

1:29:52

are antagonistic, evil or dangerous. Though

1:29:55

maybe not. Maybe having the Corey garden

1:29:57

has made it not antagonistic. We

1:30:00

have kind of, we didn't have to bypass any

1:30:03

threat. I

1:30:06

mean, we did bypass a threat, but

1:30:09

we didn't have to like confront the threat. We

1:30:11

didn't think it was just things like that, there

1:30:13

was already a role that accomplished that. Cory

1:30:15

did that in the pre, by setting the space up,

1:30:17

I think that makes sense. You

1:30:20

guys just knocked on the door and walked in, basically. Like you

1:30:22

were let in. Yeah, if this is an outsider, why should she

1:30:24

be the one to do this? I think you

1:30:26

have, that is what, again,

1:30:28

you've gotten around by bringing in the chimeric cadence.

1:30:32

ambulance is still exploring the space, I think, however.

1:30:35

Yeah, yeah, you know, you

1:30:37

know, you gotta stay focused here. You gotta make

1:30:40

sure you actually attend to this and don't get

1:30:42

too jumpy. That is meaningful,

1:30:44

in that like, that little

1:30:46

horror of be bopping around. Also,

1:30:50

this is just to color August righteousness here

1:30:52

in this scene, this is a crazy second

1:30:55

meeting to go to today. Meeting

1:30:59

one, I demand that you give

1:31:02

me my prisoners or we're gonna

1:31:04

do war. Meeting two, have

1:31:06

you considered maybe, what

1:31:09

about more generative or different or less

1:31:11

restrictive ways of interacting with the world?

1:31:13

They're not just chilling. I

1:31:16

mean, there's an important distinction, right? Which is like the

1:31:18

afflictions have done harm. They

1:31:20

are not a, they

1:31:23

are not the embodiment

1:31:25

of an expansionist harm

1:31:27

making oppressive regime, right?

1:31:30

They're not a state. You know, part

1:31:32

of the conversation is like, they are not

1:31:34

state apparatus. Yes. They

1:31:37

have done harm the way that a bear

1:31:39

who his territory is encroached upon

1:31:41

by an expanding city will do

1:31:43

harm. I think even the way

1:31:45

a bad person might do harm, but a bad

1:31:47

person and an empire are different things. Yeah.

1:31:51

And I don't like bad people, you know? Put

1:31:53

it out there, you let them know. I do. Oh

1:31:56

no. This is a

1:31:58

really spectacular Keith Heel-tud. The keys I

1:32:00

like bad people are bad. I'm bad now. Oh,

1:32:03

bad keys. Oh, bad keys here.

1:32:06

All right. Get ready. You have four of those.

1:32:08

That's how Leaf's story ends. Mary's

1:32:11

mustard red. No. No. Presumably

1:32:15

you're taking the boon under the chimera's wing here.

1:32:18

Yeah. Or you're using that. That makes sense

1:32:20

in your honest righteousness relationship. So. Which

1:32:24

is I think important too because like August

1:32:26

being here means that there is a broader.

1:32:29

It's not just oh the blue channel classic

1:32:31

blue channel always hanging out with

1:32:33

the freaks. You know. Right.

1:32:37

The August means something that. Yeah. I

1:32:40

think I think it's important to Fizz be that delegates

1:32:43

be include like

1:32:45

even though the conversation that she's been

1:32:47

she's been having don't always mention delegates.

1:32:49

It's mostly it has been focused more

1:32:52

on on divines I think. But like.

1:32:57

I think it's still important for her to have

1:32:59

a delegate in the room to

1:33:01

be like you are included in this if you want to

1:33:03

be. And

1:33:06

like on the other side of it showing the other side like we

1:33:09

work with delegates like we

1:33:11

are including them if they want to be included. It's

1:33:14

not we don't want to

1:33:16

draw that line inherently.

1:33:20

All right. Who wants to roll the

1:33:22

opposition dice. Sure.

1:33:25

Yeah. Or low. I

1:33:27

was not bad guy Keith. He's out.

1:33:30

You're a role. I don't mind.

1:33:32

He looks free YouTube show called

1:33:34

stab button. Yes.

1:33:37

Everything's joining everything's creating

1:33:39

stab button. Oh

1:33:42

my God. I've become much better at rolling out. Ooh.

1:33:45

Three four four five six. Not great. Why.

1:33:48

Yeah. I

1:33:51

asked the value wanted to roll them and then I didn't hear

1:33:53

an evil Ali is called bad friend Ali. That's

1:33:55

true. Well that's rough. Yeah.

1:34:00

All right, I'm sure old the end of my

1:34:02

four Jeanine you rolled

1:34:04

I'm gonna cheat six. I

1:34:06

rolled six three two two Cheating

1:34:09

is my favorite approach. Uh-huh.

1:34:11

And so you're gonna reroll presumably two two three Yeah,

1:34:15

and you get to add a die. Yeah, you're

1:34:17

here too. Yeah. Yeah What

1:34:24

the fuck oh did it happen

1:34:26

but went worse Wow Well,

1:34:30

it was it was two two

1:34:32

three that you rolled three

1:34:34

one three one miserable That's technically that's

1:34:36

technically a little bit. You still have

1:34:38

the six It was a new white

1:34:41

it's of a sick didn't turn into

1:34:43

a worse. No, it's not technically better

1:34:46

Right. No, cuz there was there was other

1:34:48

was three one three before two three. There's

1:34:50

no twos the twos became ones But

1:34:54

you can only play your highest die.

1:34:56

Yeah. Yeah, so nothing changed effectively, right?

1:35:00

You could get a win and

1:35:02

two losses You could

1:35:04

you could win You can

1:35:06

cheat again, but boy you already took one misfortune

1:35:08

here, huh? Yeah Engage

1:35:12

in weakness again. Sorry fucking engagement weakness

1:35:14

again. Yeah, it's wild how we have

1:35:16

all fallen into that trap over and

1:35:18

over again This role sucks. Don't

1:35:20

cut a cheat of great word on top

1:35:22

of your list If

1:35:24

flee was on top, we wouldn't be saying flee

1:35:28

You know, you could that's right. Everybody friends the table

1:35:30

is a pro cheating My

1:35:33

influence is spreading I

1:35:38

don't look at me for mechanical advice right now. I don't know what

1:35:40

to do Yeah,

1:35:42

rerolling the four I think yeah, I should take a

1:35:45

win and a loss. Yeah, I don't know what to

1:35:47

do here I think it's win on

1:35:49

a six and lose on a six and lose

1:35:51

on the four or the five and lose on

1:35:53

the four Right. Yeah. Yeah Probably

1:35:56

five is the best to lose on it. Okay,

1:35:58

but it doesn't matter Do

1:36:01

relationships and burdens matter at this point?

1:36:04

Well, relationship is a relationship and a

1:36:06

burden is a burden, so even if

1:36:08

they only matter mechanically or narratively instead

1:36:10

of mechanically, I think it'd be nice

1:36:13

to get a burden that is maybe

1:36:15

a fleeting thing versus like

1:36:17

fictionally burning a relationship. Right, you will

1:36:19

also remember? No, I don't think that.

1:36:23

You don't mind burning the August relationship then,

1:36:25

narratively. Oh, okay. Yeah, no,

1:36:27

I don't. Characterically, I don't care, no. Okay,

1:36:30

so then it doesn't matter to you. What

1:36:32

the important thing is the two, three, or

1:36:35

the three, sorry, the four and the five

1:36:37

on the opposition win will still both give

1:36:39

you a misfortune. So like

1:36:41

no matter what, right now, you're getting

1:36:43

two misfortune, three if you count

1:36:46

the one you just took from cheating. Oh

1:36:48

my God. Yeah, this was a really

1:36:50

rough roll. That's, this is conceptually as

1:36:52

bad as it could have gone. That's

1:36:55

not true, but it's not great. Right.

1:36:59

I can think of one more thing and correct me

1:37:01

if I'm like missing something because

1:37:04

it is easy to miss things with the

1:37:06

way these dice work. You could tie on

1:37:08

the six and flee. Oh.

1:37:11

And then you would only get two misfortune and the whole thing

1:37:13

would be a watch. Yeah, but you wouldn't win. But

1:37:16

you wouldn't win. You wouldn't lose the scene. But you

1:37:18

wouldn't lose. Here's the thing that

1:37:21

I'm, the place where I'm at, both

1:37:23

as a player and as a sisbee, is I'd rather

1:37:25

take a bunch of misfortune and win. Yeah.

1:37:28

Than take less misfortune and lose.

1:37:30

And lose at this. Yeah. With

1:37:33

the note that the misfortunes are all going to

1:37:35

cash out with the opposition saying, mean

1:37:38

things about you. Yeah. What

1:37:40

else is new? Yeah. I

1:37:43

think I'm just gonna do it this way. Okay.

1:37:46

I'm gonna do it as it is,

1:37:48

which is I'm going to use the

1:37:50

six to

1:37:52

triumph over the five, let

1:37:55

the four stand, and then that other

1:37:57

six is good. I'll

1:38:00

say. Yeah. Okay.

1:38:03

What does your six your resounding success look like

1:38:05

here? Man,

1:38:07

um, suddenly

1:38:09

it feels unearned. I

1:38:13

think the it

1:38:15

feels it feels unearned. It

1:38:18

feels like it feels

1:38:20

like this shouldn't be a resounding success.

1:38:23

No, but it is because the it is. I

1:38:27

mean, you could say it's not if you

1:38:29

want to, but you got the six, you

1:38:31

placed the six, the six is a resounding

1:38:33

success. You get to

1:38:35

mark fortune mechanically that all happens, you know,

1:38:39

it's the way the game does

1:38:41

work. You know, we shouldn't be applying

1:38:43

mixed success results to a game

1:38:45

that isn't built in that way. We'll

1:38:48

tackle what the negative four and the negative six

1:38:50

means separately, you know? Yeah.

1:38:53

You got a resounding success. You

1:38:56

get to narrate whatever the fuck that is as far as

1:38:58

you're concerned, right? You

1:39:00

achieved what you set out to do in a big

1:39:02

way is what it says in the book.

1:39:06

And that's even if the opposition rolled six six

1:39:08

one and you put a six on a one,

1:39:10

you know? I changed

1:39:12

my mind. Okay. Are you

1:39:14

gonna lash out? I'm gonna block the

1:39:16

six with a six. And

1:39:20

then I'm going to flee. Interesting.

1:39:23

Okay. Which

1:39:26

flee ignores all losses from one

1:39:28

to five losses on a six

1:39:30

still count. So no loss,

1:39:33

no win. The

1:39:35

opposition decides what happens. No

1:39:38

net change in misfortune versus the

1:39:40

other thing, but no doom. It's

1:39:44

still plus two misfortune total because.

1:39:46

Right. The other way would have

1:39:49

been plus three misfortune. Because you but one fortune.

1:39:51

Weakness twice. Yeah. Weakness

1:39:53

twice. That's two misfortune. Oh,

1:39:56

it's better than three. Yeah,

1:39:58

I agree. I agree.

1:40:00

Three in one though. It's better than, here's

1:40:02

the thing, it's better than three misfortune and

1:40:04

also doom. Yeah,

1:40:07

the doom is the brutal part. It really is. And

1:40:09

again, I think the fact that getting

1:40:12

the victory, I was immediately like, this

1:40:14

doesn't feel right though. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes

1:40:17

that is a sign. Like,

1:40:21

it is a thing of truly like, I

1:40:24

kind of don't want to know how it

1:40:26

goes. Like, I kind of,

1:40:29

I want it to be a thing that is like, they

1:40:34

have to leave because it's not safe for them to

1:40:36

be there while this is happening. Because

1:40:40

it is, you know. Like,

1:40:44

dust. Belgard had a little

1:40:46

bit of Gumption adjacent stuff,

1:40:49

right? Belgard had perfect

1:40:51

recycling, which was not like as,

1:40:57

I think Gumption was a little bit

1:40:59

more flexible and grounded. Perfect recycling was

1:41:01

like stem cell shit kind of. Well,

1:41:04

it was perfect recycling was a thing that you could do

1:41:06

with other stuff specifically. You could

1:41:08

take a bunch of scrap metal and

1:41:11

restore it to perfect format.

1:41:13

And then that happened to

1:41:15

also work with Belgard herself,

1:41:19

whereas Gumption was fundamentally about the

1:41:21

self and repairing the self, no

1:41:23

matter how small you broke it

1:41:25

up, right? So

1:41:27

yeah, so to your point, the chimeric

1:41:30

cadence is safer here than you are.

1:41:33

Yes, and I think specifically like,

1:41:36

when you are working on dust, when

1:41:38

you are healing and

1:41:40

restoring dust and

1:41:42

the dust of dust has

1:41:45

the capabilities that we have seen it

1:41:47

have, it

1:41:49

feels completely unhinged to be like, and here

1:41:52

is what we see happening. And here is

1:41:54

all of like- Well, I think

1:41:56

specifically can I get zoomed in here, which is

1:41:58

like, I think the dust started to- to fall

1:42:00

all around you. Like for the first 45 minutes

1:42:03

it was cool to be like it had

1:42:05

lifted the big fog clouds that you could

1:42:07

hang out and then it starts to get

1:42:09

comfortable and it stops thinking about how you

1:42:12

can't live in that fog without descending into

1:42:14

an eternal sleep where

1:42:16

you're seeing the potential futures for

1:42:18

yourself. And so like you have to get

1:42:20

the fuck out of there. The chimera cadent can stay behind and

1:42:23

who knows how it goes. We don't know. I mean

1:42:27

the opposition could decide it goes good or

1:42:29

decides it goes bad. Like the ambiguity you're

1:42:31

talking about that fizzbee doesn't get to know.

1:42:34

Yeah. That's the thing is like

1:42:36

this August Corey Brian like you

1:42:38

can't be now.

1:42:41

And these are other than August. We all know

1:42:43

what happens in the fucking dust. Yeah.

1:42:47

We can recognize like oh we got to.

1:42:51

Yeah. Yeah.

1:42:53

I think the cost here is also the cost of

1:42:55

like not knowing in

1:42:57

this moment is also just the cost of

1:43:00

like I don't know if the

1:43:02

chimera cadent is like I don't

1:43:04

know what what's going on there. Like it's

1:43:06

a full loss of contact there. Yeah. Yeah.

1:43:10

Yeah. That's fun. I'm up for that. All

1:43:12

right. Nothing ticks up.

1:43:15

There's no additional negative

1:43:18

numbers here on were. Well there

1:43:20

any of those. But y'all

1:43:23

have to get the fuck out. Clem

1:43:25

I'm guessing. Yeah.

1:43:28

You said you had one. So I do. And

1:43:31

I would like to start by addressing. Hey

1:43:35

this is art talking to you. I've

1:43:39

been sick this weekend and

1:43:42

we had a conversation in the last recording. I don't

1:43:44

know that this episode probably not. It's been a while

1:43:47

even just in game time about

1:43:49

what Clem should look like and what

1:43:51

that meant for the interlude scene. And

1:43:53

as soon as we hung up I

1:43:56

was like I should have

1:43:58

used those two. fortune to

1:44:01

destroy Arbit and become the

1:44:03

Queen and Crystal. And

1:44:07

if you were shouting at your podcast

1:44:09

app during that conversation,

1:44:11

because no one was bringing that up. If you

1:44:13

were a Clem booster, if you were one of

1:44:16

the many Clem stands. Or even just like a

1:44:18

chaos booster. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, yeah. I'm

1:44:21

sorry that we didn't come up

1:44:24

with that. I

1:44:26

think at 100%, I would have, but

1:44:29

it didn't happen. And

1:44:33

yeah, I didn't

1:44:35

want to do it as a pickup. I just wanted to

1:44:37

let it roll. But you're here now.

1:44:40

We're here now and I'm gonna try it now. And

1:44:43

the mechanics are gonna be completely different. Holy

1:44:45

shit. But if you were upset before, I'm

1:44:49

sorry that happened to you. And

1:44:52

we're gonna try our best. I'm not. Are

1:44:54

you? I'm not sorry about

1:44:56

it. Yeah, because before you could have

1:44:58

just spent your two fortune to do

1:45:01

this. To do it for free. Narratively.

1:45:03

Well, to do it for two. For

1:45:05

the listener who entirely understandably might have

1:45:07

glossed over the stakes here, Arbit was

1:45:09

a device built by Grand Magnificent to.

1:45:12

Art's previous character. Art's previous character. Art

1:45:14

is now the divine constructor and potentially

1:45:16

destroyer to remove the

1:45:21

cash awful predictive engine Crystal Palace's

1:45:24

ability to predict the future. Now, when

1:45:26

we talked about future's ability to see the future and

1:45:29

we said that's not a prediction. Crystal Palace is sure

1:45:31

is. Crystal

1:45:33

Palace was also the engine that cash

1:45:35

used to keep their home

1:45:37

world cash on cycle. It

1:45:40

was something. Not just the home world. Oh, cash. The

1:45:44

principality. The principality. Which

1:45:46

is most of the territory that cash still is in.

1:45:48

If you look at the big picture map of

1:45:51

the divine principality, that whole area was on

1:45:53

cycle. Thousand

1:45:55

planets. Uh, wanted

1:45:57

to put stuff back on cycle again.

1:46:00

Uh, the crystal- crystal palace is of

1:46:02

course the crashed reflecting pool

1:46:04

that has become the crown of glass,

1:46:06

formerly passed. You want to

1:46:08

destroy that thing? Thereby

1:46:10

read- I don't want to destroy that thing,

1:46:13

but I think that it's what Clementine should

1:46:15

try to do here. I see, yes. Clem

1:46:18

should. My desires are really not. Well, and

1:46:20

this is really great with the burden the

1:46:22

future freaks me out, right? Because-

1:46:26

Oh, god, that's funny. I think it actually dovetails really nicely

1:46:28

with a lot of this stuff on Clem's sheet right now.

1:46:31

Um, yeah, I think this is

1:46:33

gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah,

1:46:36

I think this dovetails really nicely with the future freaks me

1:46:38

out. I think the idea that like, future

1:46:40

showed you a world you

1:46:42

don't want to come to pass, and you're like,

1:46:44

well, what if I

1:46:46

saw a different future? Yeah,

1:46:48

wait a minute. I have

1:46:51

a better future back home. Uh-huh. Um,

1:46:55

great. So you're leaving the

1:46:57

planet, you're taking off in your

1:46:59

dragon, and you're

1:47:01

going to the place that Arbit

1:47:04

was. Which was, of

1:47:06

course, we all remember. Everyone

1:47:10

does especially- I think it was- We're

1:47:13

talking about it all the time. I think it was-

1:47:15

It could have been moved. Is

1:47:17

something that we could- No, it's

1:47:19

too complex. It's

1:47:22

two pieces of metal attached. Three, sorry, three

1:47:24

pieces of metal attached to each other. Three

1:47:26

pieces of metal. No, no, no. We characterized

1:47:28

it like that. But it's

1:47:30

a big, complex super machine. Oh, sure. Yeah.

1:47:33

That took grand magnificent years to build. I

1:47:35

think it was- It's not like a Michael

1:47:37

Bay washing machine or something. Is that what

1:47:40

we described it as? Michael Bay washing machine.

1:47:42

We talked about the washing machine that bounced

1:47:44

around on the trampoline. We

1:47:46

talked about the, like a desk

1:47:48

toy, et cetera. But

1:47:52

I don't think that it was as simple

1:47:55

as either of those things. I think that it actually-

1:47:58

It has to be more complex. in order to produce

1:48:01

the unpredictability. Reminds

1:48:03

me of a piece by the

1:48:06

contemporary artist, Chris Burton called Metropolis 2,

1:48:09

which I'm almost sure I must have talked about at

1:48:11

the time. You got to see a little video

1:48:13

of this thing. It's a lot of

1:48:15

little die cast cars zooming around like

1:48:17

a weird, elaborate setup.

1:48:22

Ooh, it's a city. I

1:48:24

love the city. I always imagined it sort

1:48:27

of often the desert, near

1:48:29

the desert, which I think was on, I

1:48:31

think it was on Crown, which is a

1:48:33

big desert planet. The desert is familiar to

1:48:35

me. And like, you

1:48:37

know, the Crown of Glass being the big

1:48:39

art planet, but maybe art, like

1:48:42

artworks, not art, our friend.

1:48:48

You know, normal art, but

1:48:50

maybe I'm wrong. So,

1:48:54

anyway, you're going to go do that. You're

1:48:56

leaving the planet. Yeah. Is

1:48:59

there like a, the people go, hey,

1:49:02

where are you going? And you ignore them? What's

1:49:05

the blockade do as Clem's drag? Or

1:49:07

are you able to just avoid that

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entirely? Yeah, I think,

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I don't think the blockade is set up

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to stop an inky dragon. I think the

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way it looks for things is probably a

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little more- Spaceship shaped. What about the Gucci

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leash? What about the

1:49:21

Gucci leash? Are

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you bringing Gucci with you? Like, have

1:49:26

you knocked Gucci out? What's the framing

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of- Because presumably the Gucci

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leash is going to be- I

1:49:33

think Clem knocks out Gucci and

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like stashes her along. Oh my

1:49:37

gosh, she's kidnapping Gucci. Uh-huh.

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This is Gucci's second onscreen kidnapping. Is

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that true? It was the first one. I

1:49:45

think Veronique and Filthy kidnapped Gucci. Oh, that

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did happen. It did happen. Yeah, at the

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very beginning of all this, Palisade,

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the red palisade. Oh, now bringing Gucci is not correct,

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I think. How do you get out of the

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leash though? I

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mean, I'd kill an unc- conscious person hold a leash. Oh,

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