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Previously on Fukushima. The
0:44
radiation was being blown directly
0:47
at us and you knew that. I
0:50
assure you that I personally
0:52
did not know that. Of course you
0:54
say that. You are a politician. Blood
0:57
is on your hand Prime Minister.
1:00
There is an industrial pump currently docked at
1:02
Otsu bound for Vietnam. I have
1:04
ordered this pump to be diverted to Fukushima
1:06
and they tell me you have sent them these documentation
1:09
by post. Have you no pigeons
1:12
left? We
1:14
are at war. An invisible
1:17
enemy is trying to occupy Japan.
1:20
I'm sorry I can't talk now Prime Minister. We're
1:22
in a state of emergency here. What's happening?
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Explosion in unit four.
1:28
Fukushima. Episode
1:30
six. I'm
1:37
ready. I'm very
1:39
much not. Why? Why don't
1:42
you speak? I haven't finished my
1:44
coffee for one and
1:46
I'm not feeling very sprightly. Are
1:49
you? I'm feeling fine. How did
1:51
you do it? I didn't actually
1:54
drink that much. Come on finish
1:56
your coffee. It's already late. We need to go. Where
1:59
are we going? I told you for a drive.
2:02
Yes, but where? Everywhere.
2:05
I've made a decision about you, Sootosan. Have you?
2:08
Yes. I'll tell you in the van. Where
2:11
going in your van? What's wrong with my
2:13
van? Nothing at all.
2:17
Very well. Let's
2:20
go. Everywhere.
2:30
I'm not sure this is a
2:32
good idea for my stomach. You
2:35
shouldn't have bought a place so out of town
2:37
then. The roads get better soon. Vastov
2:40
isn't far.
2:41
So what decision
2:43
did you make about me this morning?
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Well, I started thinking. There's
2:48
more to this man than he's telling me. No.
2:52
I think I told you everything. Don't
2:54
worry. I don't want to know any more about
2:57
you or Tebko or
2:59
your career or even Dijc.
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I see. Here
3:06
we are. What is
3:08
this? A house. Who
3:11
lives here? Nobody.
3:14
Come on.
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Ah, this is what my house
3:29
looks like when I first visited.
3:32
So you did clean it up a little then?
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It took me two months. You
3:38
clean it by yourself? Yes.
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Did you wear protective equipment? No.
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You shouldn't have been handling all that
3:47
rubble. You wore a mask at least.
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I don't recall. You know you could have got
3:52
help and PPE from the town hall. I
3:55
didn't want help from the town
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hall. It's
4:02
like a time capsule, isn't it? Look
4:05
at the calendar. 11th of March, 2011.
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So what is the decision you
4:13
have made about me? I
4:16
don't think your story is over.
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You are talking like your story is over. I
4:21
don't think it is. And this is why we are
4:24
standing in the middle of someone's ruined
4:27
house. Shieki and Hatsuyo
4:29
Tamura and their daughter Hatsumi's
4:31
house. She was 17. Was?
4:36
I think she was 17 and now she
4:38
is 27. Oh. I
4:41
didn't know them but my friend Kanno did. They
4:44
evacuated to higher ground before the tsunami.
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After the disaster they moved away of course. He
4:51
started a profitable shop. They bought a home
4:53
near Niigata. Hatsumi-san
4:55
has just been voted on to the civic council.
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Ah. Good for Hatsumi-san.
5:01
Yes. This house is scheduled to be
5:03
demolished next month. The people
5:05
of Hatsumi-san's district decided to buy the
5:07
land and she insisted that something
5:09
useful go where her home once stood. So
5:12
they are building a recreational centre for
5:14
our elderly residents. A kind of
5:16
gym. We need one.
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Ah. That's a nice story.
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It is, isn't it? I
5:24
want you to see the town today. That's
5:27
all. I want you to meet
5:29
some of the people. They are good people. There
5:32
is hope here. There
5:36
is loss here. And then there
5:38
is hope.
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Come on. I
5:51
think I need some water. I'm not...
5:55
Do you have any water? No.
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I'm sorry. I don't. Do
6:00
you want me to stop in Rawson? He's
6:02
just up here on the right. Oh, please.
6:05
Are you going to throw up? No,
6:08
I don't think so. If
6:10
you do, there's a plastic bag at your feet. Thank
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you. Thank you. Let's
6:16
get you some water. I
6:23
have a few things to get. It closes early on
6:25
Sunday. Is that OK? That's fine.
6:29
Can I wait here? The
6:32
fresh air does me good.
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OK. I won't be a second. Toshi!
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That's enough! Come back now! Toshi,
6:40
please, darling, just get in the car,
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OK? Spirited young man.
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I'm sorry. He's a little overexcited.
6:48
Oh, no, no! It's nice to hear
6:50
young voices. Most of the time,
6:53
I would agree with you. My youngest
6:55
daughter was very singular. And
6:58
she too would choose very
7:00
odd places sometimes to express
7:02
herself. Are you visiting? No.
7:06
I live out in Epukudo. Ah,
7:08
I visit the shrine there sometimes.
7:10
Oh, Son Sha. Yes. Not
7:12
many houses out that way. No, not
7:15
many. Yuji Ito. Pleased
7:17
to meet you, sir. Oh, Stou, her pleasure.
7:21
I'm sorry. Did you say your
7:23
name was Yuji Ito? Yes.
7:27
You used to work at the plant. I
7:29
still do. Oh, yes. But you
7:32
are one of Toshio Shimada's men
7:35
in the control room. That's right. You
7:38
know Shimada-san? No, no.
7:40
I don't know him, but...
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You were on the teams
7:45
that vented units 1 and 3. Yes,
7:48
I was. I'm sorry. Who did you say you were?
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Were you at Daichi? I'm
7:54
very sorry.
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I'm feeling rather out of sorts.
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Would you like to sit down? I'm
8:00
so sorry. And thank you.
8:03
Thank you so much. You don't have
8:05
to thank me. But I do.
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We all do.
8:09
One bottle of water. Are
8:12
you okay? Uh, yes. I'm
8:14
fine. Hello? Hello.
8:18
I'm Akiko Matsunaga. Pleased
8:20
to meet you. You seem familiar.
8:23
You may have seen me. I'm up here on
8:25
weekends quite a lot. This is Yuji
8:27
To from Daiichi. Do you remember? Of
8:30
course I do. I'm so sorry, sir. If
8:32
you work in Daiichi, I don't recognize you.
8:34
You refuse to go home. Refuse to go
8:37
home? When? When Shimada-san
8:39
tried to send you home, you stayed. No, I
8:41
didn't stay. I went home. Yuji,
8:44
are you coming? I have to go. My
8:46
family is waiting. Oh, yes,
8:49
of course. It was nice meeting you both.
8:51
Thank you again for everything
8:54
you did. Truly, Japan
8:57
is in your debt. You
8:59
must stop thanking me, sir. I
9:01
didn't do anything worthy of it. How
9:03
can you say that? Sudo-san, I
9:05
think he has to go. I would like
9:07
to talk to you more sometime.
9:10
I knew your manager, Masao
9:13
Yoshida. We
9:16
could talk now? I
9:18
think your wife would like to leave.
9:21
At my house. Why don't you follow
9:23
us? That
9:25
would be very nice. OK.
9:28
It's not far.
9:35
The decision to come home was not a difficult
9:37
one. Things were... Things
9:39
were not working out very well, Shimane. It
9:42
was a long way from home. Toshio was having
9:44
some problems at school. Oh. It's
9:47
been very difficult for him. It's why he acts
9:49
up from time to time, as you saw. Oh. I
9:52
wouldn't call what I saw acting
9:54
up. My daughter did much worse.
9:57
Yes. Today's been a good day.
9:59
He was picked on, bullied in
10:02
his school. They called him
10:04
Radioactive Boy. Oh, both
10:06
things. Yeah, he was very
10:08
unhappy. It's exactly what happened
10:10
to children from Nagasaki. He lost mine in the 50s. You'd
10:14
think we were a little bit more... Evolved?
10:18
Yes. I'm so sorry. On
10:20
the mornings when I'd dropped Toshio at school,
10:23
I'd watch him walk through the gates with his satio
10:26
and then stand helpless as all
10:28
the kids would run away, screaming
10:30
and laughing.
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I don't know what their parents were telling them, but it
10:34
just didn't stop. Radiation never
10:36
goes away, so it was the joke
10:38
that kept giving. But
10:41
our house here was intact, so when
10:43
he was seven and Namir started to open up, we
10:46
brought him home. To be with other children
10:48
like him. There's only
10:50
six other kids at the school, but at least
10:53
he gets an education.
10:54
How did you feel about coming back? He
10:57
didn't want to. Why not? For
11:00
me, it was the radiation. It
11:02
worried me. I won't lie. The kids
11:05
here are used to it, but it's a lot of
11:07
tests, as you know. And
11:09
Yuji was exposed to even more because Teppko
11:11
and the government kept saying it was okay. Keiko?
11:15
Well, they
11:15
did. For me, it was more historical,
11:18
I suppose. I'm connected to the plant.
11:21
I'm connected to the disaster. I'll
11:23
never be able to separate myself from it.
11:25
But in a good way, surely. I'm
11:27
not sure there is a good way to be connected
11:29
to this disaster. I assume you mean
11:31
because my actions helped save the
11:33
plant.
11:34
Is that why you thanked me back there? I
11:37
thanked you for your courage. I think
11:39
a lot of people see it that way. Yes,
11:42
everybody thanks me. People in the street,
11:44
people in the supermarket. But that's understandable,
11:47
isn't it? We just went down and turned
11:50
the valves. The radiation was fluctuating
11:52
between 200 millisivids and a thousand. We
11:56
had 20 minutes of oxygen. Some
11:58
teams managed, some didn't.
11:59
Some of us had to turn back.
12:02
It has nothing to do with who's brave or who's
12:04
a coward. It was simply a question
12:06
of numbers on a Geiger counter. But
12:09
I get the thank-yous, and Hideyoshi
12:11
Osaki gets the averted eyes because
12:14
his team didn't succeed. Yes, sir. Hideyoshi
12:17
Osaki. Probably the bravest
12:20
man I've ever met, my mentor
12:22
at the plant. He was 53 at
12:24
the time, and he ran 15 kilometers
12:27
to arrive at work nine hours early, so
12:30
he could replace
12:30
a younger member of the team. This
12:33
man failed because the radiation
12:36
levels were too high, and he ordered his
12:38
partner to turn back. He has
12:40
to live with the shame of that, while
12:43
everybody wants to shake my hand.
12:46
Osuksan had a very difficult time after the
12:48
disaster. Ah,
12:51
Itosa. I measure
12:53
your courage on your sacrifice.
12:56
Success or failure, be damned. Any
12:59
one of you would have died
13:02
for any other, and
13:04
would have died for Japan. That's
13:07
a very nice sentiment, but many men
13:10
begged to be dismissed, you know. And
13:12
I don't fault any of them. I had Toshio.
13:15
I wanted nothing more than to get out of
13:17
there and find my family. I
13:20
refused to leave, as you put it, because
13:23
I happened to know exactly how to locate
13:25
what we were looking for. That's all.
13:28
I left straight afterwards, and
13:30
I was glad to. Living with that
13:32
isn't so easy, either. You'd
13:35
made your contribution. Who's to
13:37
say the venting didn't make it worse? Ah,
13:39
Itosa, please. It was the source
13:42
of the radiation leak. Then it caused
13:44
the explosions, which increased
13:46
radioactivity in the region by a factor
13:48
of ten.
13:50
We knew the containment buildings would explode,
13:53
all of them. A hundred and eighty
13:55
thousand people's lives were turned upside
13:57
down when I opened that valve. Itoza,
14:01
you know perfectly well that
14:03
the alternative to your actions was
14:06
unprecedented nuclear devastation.
14:09
Yes? But that
14:11
doesn't help, does it? You
14:14
think your job was to make
14:16
sure the disaster at Daichi couldn't
14:18
happen? And it did. You
14:20
think your job was to keep
14:23
people safe and instead people
14:25
were put in harm's way? I
14:27
understand this better than you
14:30
might think.
14:31
I'll hope that one day you
14:33
come to understand that you have nothing
14:36
to forgive yourself for, unlike
14:39
myself.
14:42
Why do you seek forgiveness? I'm
14:47
the one whose job it was
14:49
to make sure the disaster couldn't
14:51
happen, Itoza.
14:55
I am Tebko.
15:03
I'm sorry, but it's crazy
15:05
to me that that man can truly
15:08
believe anything is his fault. I
15:11
don't care if he doesn't want to be a hero. He
15:13
is one in my eyes. He
15:16
stayed and did what he had to
15:17
do. What he was paid to
15:19
do? Oh, that's rubbish. He was told
15:22
to put a mask on and open the valves. He
15:24
put a mask on and opened the valves. How
15:27
can you possibly ask him to frame that
15:30
as a heroic act? Even if
15:32
that were true, why or the guilt? This
15:34
is what I was trying to explain to you. Ito's
15:37
problem boils down to a simple
15:39
idea. When you work for a
15:41
company, you are responsible for it. That
15:45
is in exchange for it looking after you. Its
15:48
successes are your successes. Its
15:51
failures are your failures. Call
15:54
it loyalty if you like. It's
15:56
about understanding that you are not
15:59
the center of it. the universe and
16:01
that nothing will function if
16:03
we are divided. The
16:05
fact that Ito himself had
16:08
nothing to do with the reasons the
16:10
plant failed doesn't mean he doesn't
16:12
hold himself partly responsible.
16:15
Do you not understand that?
16:16
Of course I understand it. I
16:19
just wish we could get past it. Past
16:21
it to what? What's
16:23
your utopia? Europe? The
16:26
United States? These countries are
16:28
imploding one by one because
16:31
they are lost all sense of community.
16:33
They believe society's chief function
16:36
is to serve their personal sense
16:38
of uniqueness. They
16:40
laugh at us, see us as mindless
16:42
worker bees. But that precious
16:45
relationship between employee
16:47
and employer is what rebuilt
16:50
Japan after the war. It is what
16:52
has driven our prosperity decade
16:55
after decade. What saved
16:57
the plant? Was everybody doing
17:00
their job?
17:00
If it was all just about doing what you
17:02
were told, explain Yoshida. The
17:06
truth is, if Yoshida had
17:08
just accepted that Tebko's failures
17:11
were his failures, then we'd all
17:13
be living in sharks. And if he
17:15
were alive today, I'm pretty sure he
17:17
wouldn't be sharing his success with them either.
17:20
Yoshida threw out everything you just said.
17:23
All of it. You see, I think
17:27
that's what saved the plant.
17:28
Why are
17:30
we going now? I don't know anymore. Where
17:33
would you like to go? I would like
17:35
to go and see my neighbor, the
17:38
lady whose son killed himself.
17:40
Mrs. Rheta? Rheta, yes. Really?
17:44
Why? Where
17:46
does she live? Not
17:48
far. Are you sure that's
17:51
a good idea? Oh please,
17:53
take me there. Okay.
17:58
Why
18:04
are you doing this? Because I will
18:07
never get another chance. To
18:09
do what?
18:12
Tell her I'm sorry about
18:14
her son. The
18:18
supermarket is not really the place.
18:22
His name was Akio?
18:25
Yes. He was 22.
18:31
Well, I'm sure she's appreciated. She's
18:34
very sweet. I
18:44
am so sorry. Believe me,
18:46
I had no idea she could be so hostile.
18:49
I've never seen her like that. You have to trust me.
18:52
She's never been like
18:53
that. She's never had
18:55
cause to be with you. It's
18:59
exactly right. What happened? Her
19:02
son is dead. That was
19:04
precisely what she needed. After
19:07
all the letters, after all the phone calls,
19:11
that was the first time she'd been face
19:13
to face with Tabco.
19:15
Well, she
19:18
didn't waste it. I
19:21
was convinced she was going to throw that thing
19:24
at you, that cup.
19:25
I admit, I did
19:27
flinch for a moment. Oh, that was
19:30
shocking. We both know every
19:32
word she said was true. It
19:35
was the most honest thing I've seen
19:37
in years. Manslaughter.
19:41
Well, sincerely, why not? I
19:47
suppose my plan was a flop. What
19:50
exactly was your plan? To
19:53
show you some hope, to inspire
19:56
you. I might as well
19:58
tell you now, but by this point, I'm not sure.
19:59
At this point I was hoping to have convinced you to take
20:02
a cesium-137 test. I
20:04
was going to drive you to the lab. I
20:07
suppose there's no point in my trying now.
20:09
No, Akiosa. I
20:12
don't understand. Everybody
20:14
does one. Why would you not want to know? You
20:17
know, it really scared me to hear
20:19
you were picking through radioactive rubble with
20:21
no PPE.
20:22
I'm sorry that the day didn't
20:24
work out how you wanted it to. But
20:27
you can't force people to be
20:29
inspired.
20:30
I didn't want to force you. I wanted
20:32
to convince you that there are things
20:35
you can do because I still think
20:37
you want to. I really do.
20:39
Akiosa. You just sat for 20
20:41
minutes and took everything Mrs. Ueda
20:43
had to throw at you. Don't tell me you're
20:46
not a good man. You could have stayed
20:48
at TEPCO. I've been happy with your big house
20:51
and your money and your dogs. I
20:53
still think you want to make amends somehow.
20:56
Perhaps the former Prime Minister's think
20:58
tank wasn't for you, but that's not
21:00
all there is. So you're not an activist.
21:02
So what? You can make amends
21:05
right here.
21:06
Stop trying to change me!
21:10
I'm an old man. A victory here would
21:12
be meaningless. It's too late. You
21:15
just saw what my making amends
21:18
looks like. These people
21:20
don't need me. And they
21:23
certainly don't need a shoulder to cry
21:25
on. They've been crying for 10 years.
21:29
Their livelihoods are gone. They
21:32
can't grow crops. They can't fish.
21:35
Mrs. Ueda will never recover.
21:37
What they need is restitution. I
21:40
cannot help them.
21:43
So, Mrs.
21:45
Ueda was right back there. Lies
21:49
upon lies upon lies, arrogance
21:51
and incompetence, and you have no intention
21:53
of doing anything about it.
21:55
What can I do? You're
21:57
a coward. Akiko...
22:09
Akiko... You
22:11
have a most unexpected gift
22:14
to me. Too late.
22:16
Oh, I'm a gift. How
22:18
nice. I needed to talk,
22:21
yes. Obviously I did. I
22:24
didn't even realize it. And it
22:26
helped me. You have
22:28
helped me.
22:29
But I don't want to help you, Sosan. I
22:32
want to help them. Them and the millions
22:34
of other families living within a stone's throw
22:36
of nuclear reactors all over the country.
22:39
And you can do that. Do
22:41
you know how rare you are? The
22:44
women at the lab have been on the phone to Teppkor
22:46
nearly every day for the last ten years.
22:49
Bargaining with them for equipment, haggling for
22:51
parts, listening to their cold, indifferent
22:54
attitude towards what they did.
22:55
And then here you are, with
22:58
all this information, and you won't
23:00
speak up. Mrs. Uwele
23:03
was wrong when she said you didn't care. You
23:05
do. And that's the worst part. I
23:08
know you feel that pain and you won't even
23:10
try. What are
23:12
you talking about? It's too late. You're
23:14
seventy. That's it? You're
23:17
done?
23:17
I'm
23:19
dying, Akiko. What?
23:25
I have lung cancer. When
23:29
did you find out? Three
23:32
months ago. I
23:39
want to go home. I'll
23:41
drop you. Do
23:47
your girls know? Not yet.
23:50
Tell them. I will. Do
23:53
you know how you got it? It's cancer,
23:56
Akiko. Not Covid.
23:58
You know what I mean. Have
24:00
you had any kind of radiation? Oh
24:04
no. Of course you haven't.
24:06
You don't do tests, do you?
24:19
Is there anything you need? No,
24:23
I have everything I need. Well,
24:26
call me if there is. I'll be around for
24:28
a few more weeks, or kano, or
24:31
any of the girls. I will. There's
24:36
no hope. I'm
24:38
sorry? There's
24:40
only loss here, you're right. No,
24:43
I'm not. These
24:46
people are ghosts. This
24:48
is a ghost town. I
24:50
could test every child,
24:53
every fish, and every lettuce
24:57
in the region for strontium or cesium,
24:59
and it won't change that fact.
25:03
You're right not
25:05
to take the test. What's
25:08
the point? Waging
25:12
war on an enemy you can't
25:14
see is hard, Akiko. It's
25:17
exhausting. But there's no
25:20
shortage of visible opponents
25:22
out there, and you are
25:24
more than capable of taking them on.
25:28
Okay.
25:32
Well, goodbye, Sutosan.
25:36
See you, Senaki-ko. Absolutely.
25:58
In the next episode of Fukushima... How
26:00
do you explain Yoshida? The
26:03
official investigation concluded
26:05
it was the plant manager's
26:07
decision to ignore the orders of
26:09
his hierarchy that was the most
26:11
conclusive reason the plant
26:14
was saved.
26:16
What if he had been sick? What
26:19
if he had decided to take his dog
26:21
to the vet? What
26:24
are you doing? Now I'm noveo business young
26:26
man. I work security for this facility
26:28
sir. I'm performing a ceremony. A
26:31
ceremony? What's in the bag? My
26:34
wife's ashes. The
26:36
dumping of any materials not pre-approved
26:39
is forbidden. One
26:42
kind learning to harness nuclear
26:44
power is like a mouse finally
26:47
figuring out how to build
26:48
a mouse trap. One
26:50
can admire the mouse's ingenuity
26:53
but the obvious question remains. Do
26:56
you really understand what you've
26:58
built?
27:03
In Fukushima Episode 6, SUTO
27:06
is played by Togo Igawa, a Kiko
27:08
by Amy Okamura-Jones, Ito
27:10
Matt Mikui and Keiko by Naoko
27:12
Mori. Fukushima is written
27:14
by Adrian Penkoff, sound design
27:17
is by Peter Ringrose, the director
27:19
is Sashi Yevtashenko and the producer
27:21
is Toby Swift. Fukushima
27:23
from the BBC World Service is a BBC
27:25
audio production.
27:33
One of the most dangerous and prolific
27:35
criminal hacking gangs in the world. They're
27:37
accused of robbing banks, stealing secrets
27:40
and causing mayhem everywhere, from
27:43
hospitals to Hollywood.
27:44
Investigators say they're working on the
27:46
orders of the North Korean state. A claim
27:48
dismissed by the regime as an attempt to tarnish
27:51
the country's image. A sovereign
27:53
nation trying to earn revenue
27:55
to fund weapons of mass destruction.
27:57
2.1 billion dollars and still...
28:00
In season two of The Lazarus Heist, from
28:03
the BBC World Service, we're picking up from
28:05
where season one left off. Far from
28:07
disappearing into the shadows, it seems
28:09
the Lazarus Group has been busy. We
28:12
have tracked your funds to
28:14
a North Korean account. Carrying
28:16
out ever more elaborate money grabs, coordinating
28:18
in more than 20 countries.
28:20
And they're not working alone. He
28:22
organized money laundering operations. They
28:24
found over $100,000 cash under his mattress. Search
28:28
for The Lazarus Heist, wherever you get your BBC
28:30
podcasts.
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