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hey everybody. Hello everyone. Shaking

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off the cobwebs, hi! My

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name is David Bell. My name is Tom Ryman. And

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we just watched Evil Dead rise.

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Evil Dead rise.

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Rise. Rise

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and be recognized. Yeah,

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yeah, no big deal. All your achievements this

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past school year.

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What's up, sis?

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They had the most beautiful

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dream. It

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was the perfect day. And

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all I could think about was how

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much I wanted to

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cut you all open and

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climb inside your bodies so

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that we could stay one happy family. Yeah,

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hi everybody. Hello. Hi. Hello. Um,

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man, Evil Dead, Tom. I'm always excited

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for new Evil Dead. Yeah, it comes to happen

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often. Like, unlike the

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franchise to which the theme song that we hummed earlier

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actually belongs,

2:10

there's like 10 years in between

2:12

each Evil Dead installment, it feels like. There

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was an interview with, I think, Bruce Campbell

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or Rob Tappert, or one of them who said

2:20

they want to do it every few years now. And

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that kind of worries me.

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Because I don't

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know if they need to do it. I

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mean, let's get one thing straight. There's

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nothing you can do to the Evil Dead franchise that'll

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ruin it. No.

2:37

So like,

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but like, you know. If they want

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to, if given two years, they mean like

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three, four years. I'm good with that.

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Yeah, that's all right. I think that's all right. How

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did you like Evil Dead Rise? Like a new Counting Crows

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album. How

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did I like Evil Dead Rise? I

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really liked it, Dave.

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Me too. I really liked it. I

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thought it was fucking wild. It is wild.

3:03

Yes. I have some

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thoughts. I'm not sure if

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I liked it as much as the original remake. I

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have some thoughts about taking the setting out of

3:12

the woods and putting it in an apartment building. But I'm sure

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we're going to discuss all that. Oh, interesting.

3:16

Yeah, I have what I would call more concerns.

3:19

Because I enjoyed this through and through

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from beginning to end. This

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is Lee Cronin, who did

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The Hole in the Ground, which I haven't seen. And

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I've been trying to get around to you because I

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really like the premise.

3:36

I like holes in the ground. I like holes

3:38

where you toss stuff in there and it

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grants you a wish, but something freaky

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happens. I'm into that. I'm into that

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particular genre of are you afraid of the dark

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story?

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. But

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like you, I do have some notes. Again,

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I liked what I saw here. It's not. I

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have some like, oh, maybe they

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could have done.

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sucks. Um, and so it's

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like, whenever you want to do something interesting as a set

6:04

designer, I feel like you, you got to just

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like fib it a little and be

6:08

like, yeah, they live in this old

6:10

creepy hotel for some reason. Yeah.

6:12

It's, it's kind of like Dana Barrett's apartment building.

6:16

Yeah. Um, it's less

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art deco. It's more like just

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general spookiness, but it definitely, it

6:23

seemed like a place where the Ghostbusters would be called.

6:26

Yeah. The elevator is a hundred years old.

6:28

Oh yeah. There's no way that elevator was

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inspected recently. It was only

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a matter of time before that thing broke. Yeah.

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Oh yeah. That thing is bound to be filled

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with blood. Deadites or not. Yeah.

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Um, so, so yeah,

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it's um, you know, family,

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sister comes to visit the father

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left. There's sort of, um,

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the sisters and around that much. She

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finds out she's super prego. And

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so her, she's sort of starting in this place

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where she's not sure if she wants to be a mom. Um,

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she's visiting the family. Well, it actually starts

7:03

a day later, which was a weird framing

7:06

device. I thought they do this cabin

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thing where these people are out of the cabin and they

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do a fun thing with the drone to like mimic

7:13

the evil flying. Yeah.

7:15

Yeah. Uh, and

7:17

uh, and then like the, you

7:20

know, ladies bonkers, you see it in the trailer, she

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comes out, but that is the,

7:24

the, the movie's bookended with that and

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it really didn't matter. It was,

7:28

well, they wanted to have a sort of prologue

7:31

that introduced a set of characters that

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makes you think like this is the main story

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and then just immediately, uh,

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mercs them all. Yeah. Um,

7:39

but it creates this weird,

7:42

um,

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problem with the movies. What's not a problem with movies?

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Time. It just creates a weird timeline where like it starts

7:47

with this cabin prologue and then it says one day

7:49

earlier and then we have the main story of the movie. And

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then it has nothing to do with that person.

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Not really. It's very, yeah. That the character,

7:56

one of the characters we see in the prologue comes in at the

7:58

very end and gets by the evil, so

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it's showing us that the evil's continuing, but

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it was a little weird,

8:05

it was a little weird. I get why they did

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it. They wanted to have that sort of attention-grabbing

8:10

prologue where it's just like balls out crazy

8:13

straight out of the gate.

8:14

Yeah. Yeah, no, I

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didn't hate it. No, not at all. It made me

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kind of scratch my head a little. I think we've talked about it before,

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but any time a movie begins with something like

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a huge offer and then fades to black

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and says like one day earlier or one week earlier,

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like you and I have talked about this before where it's like, man,

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that always feels real sweaty, so you better

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justify it.

8:35

Right, and they didn't. They didn't,

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but also it didn't. But it also doesn't matter. Yeah,

8:41

it also didn't matter. That's the weird way

8:43

of putting it is that it's kind of this thing

8:45

where horror movies, here's the thing,

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horror movies always start with a murder, start with something.

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If they don't, then the audience might get bored.

8:54

I don't think all movies need to do it. There's obviously

8:57

slow burns, but this is that same idea,

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right? Like Friday the 13th starts with the

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campers getting killed in the 50s.

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And then it goes to a

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completely different story. And so that's what this did. It

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just did something more interesting with the timeline.

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And then horror

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movies

9:12

always have to end with someone going, ah,

9:15

you know, oh, the villain's back, eyes open.

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And this does that too. But again, since it plays

9:20

with the timeline in this weird way, it's

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just doing a very unique version of that, which

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I didn't hate. It's

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just a little odd. It felt a little

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weird. It's

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not...

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Yeah, it just felt a little weird. I guess I don't

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have any thoughts on that. There's

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no other way to describe it. And I don't know

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if it's good weird or bad weird. It

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just felt off pacing wise, but

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that's fine. That's what it was. Yeah,

9:48

it was weird to, yeah.

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Yeah, it was weird like then when the movie ended

9:52

and then they have this epilogue

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with this her in the parking. It's like,

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you know what's gonna happen saw at the beginning, and

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it's like, yeah, I don't know who this woman is. In

10:04

the prologue, we see that this character has already

10:06

been possessed. She's sick and staying inside the cabin,

10:09

and they don't know what's wrong with her, right?

10:10

She's mysteriously ill and can't

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move, and it's just being creepy alone in the cabin. But

10:16

when we meet her in the prologue, she's coming down out to her car.

10:18

She's talking to her cousin on the phone. She's like, hey, I'm about

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to come pick you up. We're going to go down to this cabin

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with my boyfriend and some of his friends. It's

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going to be great. And then she sees all

10:26

the violence from the night before and gets possessed.

10:29

And that's where the movie ends. But that means that she

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still has to, as a deadite, get in the car,

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go pick her cousin up, and drive them to the cabin.

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Yeah, I was thinking about that too, because

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they don't. They're trying to show what

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happens. The prologue

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is to show what's going to happen to somebody

10:45

else, right? It's just showing us how the evil

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will continue to spread.

10:49

Right, but when she gets attacked in the elevator

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later, she doesn't have a period

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where she's OK to drive. No.

10:57

That's what's weird, yeah. She's

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getting her ass haunted off and then gets

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strangled by cables.

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Right, and then she walks in and she's all

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fucked up from the start. Yeah. You

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know? Yeah. It's not like, like, if you remember

11:10

the original Evil Dead, Shelly

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actually does have like an

11:16

hour or so where she's just freaked

11:18

out and she has the evil in her already. You

11:20

know what I mean?

11:22

Yeah. So you'd think they'd do that, because

11:24

that's what they're implying there. So yeah,

11:26

that doesn't make much sense. It's

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not a big deal. It's just something that just occurred to me and

11:31

I thought was kind of funny.

11:33

Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. Like,

11:35

what must that drive have been like? Yeah,

11:38

that's got to be really uncomfortable, right? With

11:41

the dead driving.

11:42

Right, trying really hard to act

11:44

like her sister or something. It's like

11:46

Vincent D'Onofrio in Men in Black, just

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trying to be cool. Right.

11:52

Trying to get like, just like, I just want

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to go to this cabin. I love cabins. I'm really into cabins,

11:57

especially like angular ones like this one.

11:59

That was a fucked up.

11:59

Yeah, cabin super funny

12:02

frames like a people love the a frame like

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a pop hat Yeah, yeah,

12:06

yeah, or is love they love a's

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and triangles.

12:10

They're scary to us We're geometry

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love weird geometry has like a primal

12:16

Effect on us

12:18

right I lived growing up. I live near

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an a frame and yeah, they were weirdos. You

12:22

know, of course they are Yeah,

12:24

they always are. Mm-hmm All

12:27

right, I'm gonna bring up my issues. I'm

12:29

gonna bring up my concerns

12:32

So my concerns about this movie

12:35

as it relates to the larger series because again,

12:37

I liked this I had fun doing it I liked

12:40

or watching it rather I I

12:41

Liked that it wasn't related

12:44

to that prequel or that first one the

12:46

first remake not directly I like

12:48

that. It's like yeah That's a kind of episodic

12:51

that they're not you know Feel the need

12:53

because it's different if you you know, obviously Evil

12:55

Dead continues the ash story

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What concerns me

12:59

is it felt like there was a

13:02

need to have certain

13:04

things in this

13:05

That is going to start

13:07

getting kind of old Chainsaws

13:11

for example shotguns

13:14

the badass main character

13:16

at the end Having to say

13:18

badass things the need

13:20

for an ash. Yeah, and specifically

13:23

she says come get some

13:24

like it's yeah, and

13:27

My question is like is it not an Evil Dead

13:29

if they don't pick up a chainsaw? Because

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I think at

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a certain point That's gonna

13:38

get really tiring if

13:40

they feel like they have to have

13:43

to do that stuff. Well here Okay,

13:46

I'm sorry finish your thought

13:48

No, that's and the fact that they're saying we're gonna make

13:50

one every few years I'm like, that's a blast

13:52

but I can

13:53

like if again if it just if

13:56

It feels like there are some walls

13:58

that they have put up some limitations that

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I don't think they need to have there.

14:04

And by having those, they make it a

14:06

little less

14:07

unpredictable. That's true. That's

14:11

definitely true. And I think that's

14:13

just a problem with doing too many sequels, because

14:15

I'm going to push back against you about

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that. Because here's what I think,

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in my mind,

14:21

the two

14:22

essential elements of an Evil Dead movie,

14:25

right, with or without Bruce Campbell, is

14:28

a thing we've talked about on the

14:31

previous hype cast and a couple of times before,

14:33

I'm sure. Evil Dead's about twisting the knife. It's

14:35

about finding clever ways to twist the knife. You

14:37

know, fiendishly

14:42

clever ways for characters to inflict

14:44

punishment on themselves or get beat up. It goes

14:46

back to Sam Raimi wanting

14:48

to beat the shit out of Bruce Campbell. So part

14:50

of it is- And emotional. Emotionally twisting

14:52

the knife. Emotionally twisting the knife, too. Yeah,

14:55

it's not just physical. But it's like the

14:57

deadites switching back and forth between

14:59

being your loved one and being a monster, getting

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doused in blood and bugs and

15:05

bile and gross stuff, and then also getting

15:07

your skin shaved off with a cheese grater.

15:11

That's one big element, the twisting of the knife. The

15:14

other big element is that the main

15:16

character or characters eventually get

15:19

so beaten down that they

15:21

reject their victim status. Like,

15:24

that's in every single Evil Dead. That's

15:26

true. And that's who Ash is. Ash

15:29

is a character who got pushed so far

15:31

that he's like, fuck it, I'm not

15:32

being terrorized anymore. I'm going to terrorize

15:35

the monsters. Right. And

15:37

that leaves a question there, which

15:39

is, is that exclusive to Ash?

15:42

No, it's not. It isn't.

15:45

But that's why I'm like, kind

15:48

of like, like, for example, Alien.

15:51

You could say there's some element of that in Alien,

15:54

right, which is someone stepping up to become a badass.

15:57

They do that with Sigourney Weaver.

15:59

is how do you make an alien without Sigourney Weaver?

16:02

Do you just always have a character have that same

16:04

arc? Because if you do, then again,

16:06

you

16:07

lose a lot of predictability.

16:09

And of course, the answer in my head is like, I don't

16:12

know, maybe just don't make it anymore. I

16:14

don't think it's, of course. I see what you're saying, but I don't

16:16

think it's the same thing. I don't think it's the same

16:18

thing as Final Girl.

16:20

Obviously, Sigourney Weaver, as

16:23

the series progressed, in Alien, it's

16:25

much more Final Girl, because it's such a desperate

16:28

thing that she finally does to destroy the alien. But

16:30

as the series goes on, she does turn

16:32

into Sarah Connor

16:34

and this hard and badass who takes charge and just

16:37

blows aliens away, whatever. But

16:40

it's not the same thing

16:43

as other slashers

16:46

or horror movies where there is an entity or

16:48

a force that has to be stood up to and defeated at

16:50

the end,

16:50

because it's not just

16:53

about standing up to them. It's about humiliating

16:55

it

16:56

and really making the

16:58

monster experience what it's been putting

17:01

them through for the entire movie. The Evil Dead is much

17:04

more about the humiliation of the

17:06

monster. Yeah, I also don't disagree

17:08

with you, by the way. What concerns

17:11

me is that what we're describing is a character

17:13

arc. And

17:15

if that is one of the things you have

17:17

to have, then that doesn't leave many

17:19

rooms for sequels, right? That's

17:22

the thing, is that you just keep making

17:24

the same movie over and over again. That's true.

17:27

With a different

17:29

environment around it.

17:32

I think that's the less essential element

17:34

of Evil Dead. Because

17:37

the original is like

17:40

Ash doesn't become Ash the way he

17:42

is until Evil Dead 2. And

17:45

it's sort of the way in the original Evil Dead remake

17:47

as well. Although,

17:51

it does end in a fucking Slayer raining

17:54

blood sequence where she's just stabbing

17:57

the monster in the face of the chainsaw. So that is pretty

17:59

hardcore.

17:59

But like, I think, I

18:02

do think in order to keep

18:04

the series fresh, you could

18:06

tone down that element. I don't think you

18:08

could lose it completely because I

18:10

feel like it's still part of Evil Dead's attitude.

18:13

Yeah, here's the thing. I think,

18:15

alright, I don't think that's actually

18:17

the problem I'm having with it. The more

18:19

I think about it, because I guess

18:22

most horror movies kind of have

18:24

to do that. If it's a slasher movie, someone has

18:26

to step up and fucking

18:29

take charge, right? I think to

18:31

me it's specific to chainsaws,

18:33

shotguns, these iconic things,

18:36

these lines that they feel

18:38

beholden to. It's the member areas,

18:40

I see that.

18:41

Yeah, that's kind of, it's like the idea

18:43

of like, Indiana Jones

18:45

always needs his whip,

18:47

right? And then if they made a new Indiana

18:49

Jones that was like a

18:51

spin-off, wouldn't it feel weird if someone

18:53

else picked up a whip? Right, if he also

18:55

had a whip, yeah. Yeah, and it's

18:57

that where it's like, I don't know, give them something

19:00

new. Give them another

19:02

iconic thing to use against

19:05

the Deadites. Because just picking

19:07

up another shotgun and another chainsaw,

19:10

it just feels like uncreative, kind

19:13

of, where it's like, don't do the

19:15

same thing, give us the same feeling. You

19:18

know what I mean? Like the way Dead Alive

19:20

used a lawnmower, you know? Like find

19:22

a new weapon to wield that's fun

19:25

if you're going to do something like that, you know? I

19:29

will say, I totally

19:31

understand what you're saying. I also agree with it. Like

19:33

I sort of cringed a little bit when she said, come

19:35

get some. Right. But

19:38

I did like that they immediately took the shotgun

19:40

away from her. Like she never really uses it. Like she

19:42

kind of blows off an arm and a leg of the

19:45

main deadite, but that's it. Yeah. And they

19:47

swap in a wood chipper,

19:49

which is delightful.

19:51

The wood chipper was fun. Yeah. Wood chipper is a

19:53

great addition. No, again, this movie was fun. The

19:56

movie was fun. That's why I'm calling these concerns,

19:59

because I don't think these.

19:59

These are criticisms with the movie I watched. I

20:02

enjoyed the movie I watched. It's just the realization

20:04

that if they're gonna keep doing this, they're gonna have to switch

20:07

it up. They're just gonna have to. I

20:09

will say I do have one critique of this movie, and

20:11

again, it's not really a critique. It's

20:13

more of like, I kinda wish they used

20:16

more city,

20:17

and I don't think they had the budget, because

20:19

there was really no difference between

20:21

this and a cab. You know what I mean?

20:24

It's not much different.

20:26

Using an apartment building that they can't leave, it

20:29

doesn't really change the dynamic

20:32

from a cabin. It kinda does to me, and

20:35

I'll explain why. I did

20:37

think it felt a little weird, or I

20:40

don't know, I don't wanna say it lost something, but it

20:42

did feel a little strange that it wasn't in the woods, but

20:44

that's just,

20:45

I think that just comes with the territory

20:48

of doing such a dramatic shift in setting, than

20:51

what you're used to in the franchise. Obviously,

20:54

I think that doing all the things like

20:56

immediately taking out the elevator, the stairs,

20:58

they don't have phone service because of the earthquake. So

21:01

essentially making that floor

21:04

of their apartment building, and really just

21:06

their apartment, essentially

21:08

like the cabin, was intentional, and

21:11

worked out well, I think.

21:15

But here, the

21:19

thought that I was getting to was that,

21:22

I didn't necessarily think it was like a detriment,

21:25

that it's like, well, this is just like a cabin, because

21:28

it reminded me sort of like Halloween, where they show

21:31

you all of the places that Michael is

21:33

gonna be at the end of the movie, in the beginning

21:35

of the movie, during the daytime.

21:37

And then at the end, you see all those places in the

21:39

dark, with Michael lurking in there, and it suddenly becomes scary.

21:42

So I think throwing a dead-ite

21:44

into a situation that feels so normal

21:47

to most people, like, oh, this is recognizably

21:49

an apartment, here's the living room, here's the bedroom, with

21:51

DJ Dipshit's Once and Two's

21:54

mixed table. He was great, I loved him. Yeah, he was great.

21:57

It looked like an apartment.

22:00

that plenty of us have lived in. You know,

22:02

it's, whereas a cabin

22:04

has,

22:06

like I guess, I think we all understand like the idea

22:08

of a cabin, but it- Right, it's more foreign.

22:11

It's already creating distance. So I think

22:13

throwing it in an apartment like this kind of narrows that

22:15

distance for a lot of viewers. For

22:17

sure. Here's what I mean. You mentioned the

22:20

wood chipper. Where would a wood chipper normally

22:22

show up? In the forest, yeah.

22:25

So like, use something else. Use something

22:27

in a city. Use a garbage truck. Do

22:30

something that is, that's what I mean, that it's like, it

22:33

didn't actually feel like the city setting

22:37

added anything ultimately,

22:39

because you could take this entire movie

22:42

in the events that happen more or less and

22:44

translate it some way to a cabin. And

22:47

so like, it just felt like, I

22:49

don't know, again, chainsaw. Why is

22:51

there, like they had to do this like landscaping

22:53

truck to like bring all these things to

22:56

them. And it's like, it would have been so cool if they

22:58

found like some city themed

23:00

weapon to use. Some city

23:02

themed ending. There's

23:05

plenty of construction equipment

23:07

you can find in a city. Like

23:09

on a road crew that could, you know, like

23:12

in the high tension she picks up that gnarly ass

23:15

saw that's, you know, and stuff

23:17

like that. Like, you know. And that's why I was just

23:19

like, oh, you could have used more

23:21

city. And I know this is probably budget

23:23

and this is totally beyond their control. But

23:26

I would have liked it, like,

23:27

I would have liked what they did with the new scream

23:29

with evil dead. I think that would have been fun.

23:31

But seeing like in public, public,

23:34

public, crowded areas, cause

23:36

the beauty of the deadites as far

23:38

as I'm concerned, is that they don't

23:40

actually need isolation, do they? No.

23:43

Like they can just fucking go

23:45

to town. I mean, they fight

23:47

a whole skeleton battle and army of darkness.

23:50

Right. Yeah, it doesn't matter. So

23:52

we don't really know what the deadites want. They just want

23:55

to fuck with you. Which is what makes them fun.

23:57

Yeah. So you think they wouldn't want to actually

23:59

cut.

23:59

people off from society

24:02

that like you'd think that they'd want to actually go

24:04

out into civilization. So like, I just think

24:06

there's a version of this

24:08

where you can have a lot more fun

24:10

for sure. The city setting.

24:13

I'd love to see that too. Like a, like a,

24:15

you know, the bits we see in Ghostbusters

24:18

and Ghostbusters two of the ghosts just

24:20

wreak havoc across like more stuff like

24:22

that of just like around the city. I understand

24:24

that it's, we will be very expensive. It's

24:26

the same reason why we, we don't actually

24:28

see Jason in Manhattan when

24:30

Jason takes man. Exactly. Yeah.

24:33

Um, but

24:35

yeah, no, I think, I think, I do like nightclubs.

24:37

It was a dead-eyed in a nightclub, a

24:40

concert, like there are city settings that

24:42

they could have gone to. Um, a

24:44

police station. They go to a police station.

24:47

All hell breaks. You're just, you're going through

24:49

the Terminator right now. What

24:52

if they went to, I don't know, Griffith park observatory.

24:55

Exactly. But yeah, no,

24:57

I totally, I totally see what you're saying there. I do,

24:59

they have a line, uh, in here

25:01

that sort of kind of explains the plot

25:04

reasons for why the deadites

25:05

like to isolate people. And it's consistent

25:07

with what we've seen in the rest of the movies is

25:09

it's just more fun for them. Like they like

25:12

wreaking havoc and chaos and

25:15

torturing people. Yeah. And it's just easier to do. And

25:17

it's a bunch of people that you can systematically

25:20

wear down over several hours trapped in

25:22

one spot. Like I get that.

25:23

But every once in a while, you got to let them cut loose, maybe.

25:27

Of course. Um,

25:28

so I guess this goes back to concerns

25:31

is that if every evil dead they make every few

25:33

years is let's isolate

25:35

the characters, find a reason to give them

25:37

a shotgun and do the same exact

25:40

arc, then it's just going to get, it's going to start

25:42

getting old. Um,

25:43

but I want to talk about why I liked this

25:45

movie because I really liked this movie. Yeah.

25:48

Um, because you, you, again,

25:51

you mentioned twisting the knife and this movie

25:53

does it,

25:54

uh, terrifically.

25:56

This is about kids who watched their mother

25:59

turn into a dead.

25:59

And let me tell

26:02

you, she doesn't come back from that. And

26:04

then more of the teenagers

26:07

die than you think. I

26:10

eat all of them. Specifically

26:12

all of the teenagers die. Yeah.

26:15

And they just torture this little

26:17

girl as she watches her family

26:19

just turn into fucking deadites and

26:23

get murdered. And then their corpses

26:25

come back alive essentially. And

26:27

they keep torturing them. And

26:30

then it comes down to this woman and this little kid just trying to

26:32

fucking survive. And so the emotional

26:35

element there is very

26:36

clear of like

26:38

just let's torture this little girl

26:41

psychologically. I appreciate

26:43

that. Like I bet I said on a hype cast like,

26:45

oh they should turn the little girl into a deadite.

26:47

And they could have, but you know what's worse? Just

26:49

traumatizing her. Right, turning everyone around.

26:52

For 30 minutes or 90 minutes, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

26:55

And that's what they did. Yeah,

26:57

yeah. I was honestly scared

26:59

when I first saw the family. I was like, oh no, there better

27:01

be enough deaths. Because they introduced the neighbors.

27:04

And I was like, are they all the fodder? But no,

27:06

they immediately killed like the teenage

27:09

daughter I thought was gonna be the main

27:11

character. Nope. Or one of the main characters.

27:13

Nope. Absolutely not. She gets super

27:15

possessed.

27:16

She eats glass. Yeah, she does. Yeah,

27:20

I had the same thought. Because going into it, knowing

27:22

it was the family. I like the idea of making it a family.

27:28

It's a really like. It's an interesting

27:30

idea. It lets you do a lot of stuff

27:32

like we were saying, playing around with the

27:34

emotional stakes and tension and

27:36

horror. Like

27:39

the emotional and psychological stuff. But

27:42

yeah, I had the same worry. I was like, man, they

27:44

typically try to save

27:46

the family. In a case like this, and there's

27:49

just not that many characters and an evil dead,

27:51

we're like, kind of thinking about evil

27:53

dead is, you know, in addition to it

27:55

being playful and, you know,

27:58

Ash being like this. cool

28:01

but goofy buffoon who just

28:04

murders his way through deadites and is never harmed.

28:06

It's actually, it's a pretty cruel series.

28:08

Right. The other thing about Evil Dead is

28:11

the body count. Six people get together,

28:13

you guarantee only one of them is coming

28:15

out, right? That's just how Evil Dead

28:17

works. So when they started with this family,

28:19

I was like, you better have the guts to do what

28:21

needs to be done here. And not

28:24

only, not only do they do that, Dave,

28:26

the wildest

28:28

part of the film,

28:30

is the two

28:33

dead teens

28:34

start ripping apart Deadite

28:37

Mom. And we're not entirely sure what's happening at

28:40

first. This Deadite Mom has gotten her arm

28:42

and her leg blasted off with a shotgun, so she

28:44

can't really move anymore. And they just start digging

28:46

into her abdomen and stuff and it looks all gross.

28:49

And it's really weird and uncomfortable. And then

28:51

we see what they're doing is they're fusing

28:53

together to form this giant

28:56

boogens, just this giant writhing

28:58

mass of arms and legs that shambles

29:00

through the vent and chases them out into a parking

29:02

garage. And it just it looks like a

29:04

monster from like a Resident Evil game

29:07

or like looks like something from the thing. Yeah.

29:09

Yes, there it is. Yeah. And I got to say,

29:11

I was genuinely like when I they

29:13

saw that when I saw that I was

29:15

shocked

29:16

that Evil Dead hadn't done that

29:19

yet. That was the thing I was like, oh, right.

29:21

Why hadn't they done that in like the original

29:23

film? They don't. They don't. Yeah, they

29:26

don't usually have other

29:29

boogens outside of the Deadites. So like

29:31

Henrietta is the most notable exception

29:33

I can think of. But it's really

29:35

it's they don't have like a bunch of different types of monsters.

29:38

So it was really like

29:39

we're not expecting this. And

29:42

that's again, that's that was the thing

29:44

is I didn't expect like

29:46

it surprised me that like Army of Darkness had

29:48

done something like this. But the thing is, is that

29:51

that is keeping to tradition better

29:53

than the first remake because the first

29:55

remake just kept it as Deadites.

29:58

And then if you yeah, like you're saying, Henry.

29:59

Rietta turns into a fucking monster.

30:02

There are monsters in this series.

30:05

And so to see that was like, right.

30:08

Yeah, give me the fucking monsters

30:10

because they exist in Evil Dead. So that was

30:13

really nice to see. And it was really

30:15

nice to see. I was just talking about how they played it

30:17

safe with like the chainsaw and stuff. It was

30:19

nice to see them add to the lore

30:22

in terms of a new fucking monster.

30:25

And so it's like, that is very nice to

30:28

see that and to think like, oh yeah, they can

30:30

add that to like the video game now. You know,

30:32

that is a new piece. And so there,

30:35

I guess I wish there was a little more of that,

30:39

of them like keeping with the tradition where

30:41

it's like, yeah, there's always fucking, there will be

30:43

monsters, but doing, yeah,

30:45

their own thing. It was really nice. It

30:47

was also nice to see an eyeball flying to someone's

30:50

mouth. I mean, that was a direct,

30:52

you know. Chokes him to death too. Chokes

30:54

to death on the eyeball.

30:56

It

30:58

has really gnarly too. It might've been for like from beyond

31:00

when Jeffrey Combs sucks that lady's brain

31:02

out through her eye socket. It was just

31:05

grabbing this dude and biting his ocular

31:07

cavity out. It was fucking gnarly. I

31:09

wanna, oh go ahead. Oh yeah. No,

31:11

I was just gonna say, they did good with the sense of humor.

31:14

They didn't make it through Stooges because it's not Sam Ray

31:16

redirecting, which I wanna talk about that too.

31:18

But like they did some

31:20

silly stuff and I didn't think they were gonna do

31:23

any, so. The movie

31:25

still maintained Evil Dead's kind of playful

31:27

tone,

31:28

but

31:31

it's like a chaotically playful.

31:33

So like for instance,

31:36

the reveal of the horrible monster

31:38

at the end is we're seeing the zombie

31:40

teens digging into zombie mom and they kind

31:42

of like, there's a lot of goo noises and it cuts to

31:44

a shot of the Necronomicon as its pages are leafing

31:47

and then it stops on a drawing

31:49

of this horrible monster. So we see the drawing

31:51

of it first and my

31:54

theater reacted to that. Oh yeah.

31:57

So it's like, it

31:58

does things like that

31:59

It's kind of winking at you a little bit, but not

32:02

like in a, not like in a, hey, it's in

32:04

this dumb kind of way. It's like, it's playing with the language

32:06

of horror films that it knows that most of the audience

32:08

is gonna understand and be like, hey, you're gonna see this fucked

32:11

up thing. Isn't that wild? And

32:14

just real quick related to that, you had said

32:16

that you wish they did more

32:18

monsters. I'm glad they only did the one and that

32:20

they revealed it this way because

32:23

you're not expecting it.

32:24

So- No, what I'm saying, I'm not saying

32:27

I wish this movie did more monsters. I'm saying that

32:29

that first remake, I realized

32:31

after the fact, like they didn't do monsters and

32:33

that's an evil dead thing. And

32:36

this monster itself, I think is just

32:38

so perfectly ingenious, the idea

32:40

of the dead-eyes fusing together that I'm

32:42

honestly surprised Sam Raimi hadn't done it. That

32:45

was my thought of that, where I was like, of course,

32:48

what a great idea for a dead-eye

32:50

monster. It was

32:52

so obvious after the fact, I

32:54

was like,

32:54

oh yeah. But it's so perfectly

32:57

done. You do not see it coming.

32:59

And the way they show it to you by just showing

33:02

you a drawing of it, about several

33:04

minutes before you actually see it. So it kind

33:07

of actually adds to the tension that you see a drawing

33:09

of what it's gonna be before you

33:11

see it.

33:13

It's lovely. Yeah, it's so good.

33:15

It's so fun. And I also wanna say the

33:17

fun in this, the humor, I really

33:20

think they did a good balance because again,

33:22

they're not trying to be evil dead too. And I honestly

33:24

think that

33:25

you don't have to do that to be evil dead,

33:27

obviously. The first evil dead movie isn't

33:30

silly. Isn't funny, yeah.

33:31

Yeah, so I don't think it's a requirement for an evil

33:34

dead movie to be tongue in cheek. And

33:37

so I think they did a good job balancing

33:39

that, where this was kind of the

33:41

right amount of like, you're just wincing. Sometimes

33:44

you're laughing. To sometimes,

33:46

there was a couple shots where I went, ooh, eugh.

33:49

Like when the sister kind of floats into the room with

33:51

the sheet on her head. That was

33:54

very, that was just straight up horror shit. That was

33:56

gnarly.

33:57

That was such a good idea.

33:59

That was more horror. than you expect Evil Dead

34:01

to be in some ways. Like,

34:03

I don't know about you, I never found Evil Dead, any

34:05

of them to be that scary. It's

34:08

just not what scares me personally. Not

34:10

scary, but intense.

34:12

Intense, yeah, tension. There's

34:15

tension in it. It's scary to me the

34:17

way that a hostile is to me. Right,

34:20

there's also this element of like, you know the main character's

34:23

gonna get out of it, but I always love it when

34:25

a movie makes me feel like I genuinely am

34:27

not sure how that's gonna happen,

34:29

in a given moment, where I'm like, man,

34:31

they're kinda fucked right now. I enjoy

34:33

that feeling. And yeah, this is a combination

34:36

of like tension and just like, you know,

34:38

grotesqueness, that's just a

34:41

lot of fun, ultimately.

34:43

And like, yeah, it's not not scary, it's just that

34:46

this happens to be not something that like, you

34:48

know, gore doesn't tend to scare me, and

34:50

zombies and demons, unless

34:53

done in the right way. This is a movie that,

34:56

this shows everything, that's the whole point, you know?

34:59

And that's what's fun about it.

35:02

I wanna talk about the direction, because... Okay.

35:06

I think both Evil Deads, both remakes, did

35:08

a good job with this, but I think this one did it more,

35:11

is that

35:13

there's one more element to what makes Evil Dead,

35:16

that I think is a requirement, and

35:19

that is

35:20

a certain amount of absurdity,

35:22

in a

35:25

general absurdity and chaos, in

35:27

the storytelling and in the

35:29

filmmaking.

35:30

It's hard to put my finger on it, but

35:33

obviously, Sam Raimi

35:35

directed those first movies in a very

35:37

unique way, right? Right,

35:40

you wanted to feel as chaotic

35:42

as what is happening on screen.

35:44

Right, Ash sort of loses his

35:46

mind. And as does this character at the end,

35:48

she's kind of doing the Ash

35:50

going nuts expressions. They

35:52

don't do it as much. There's often, in the other

35:55

Evil Deads, there were often moments where they're alone,

35:57

and they're just, you know, they're going nuts.

35:59

like they're hearing sounds and like they're

36:02

being tortured mentally.

36:04

There's less of that. But in that chaos,

36:06

there's just

36:08

sometimes the filmmaking is particularly

36:11

weird, you know, and

36:13

of course, the cinematography itself is very

36:16

unique in the original Evil Deads. And

36:19

I thought

36:20

this person or their cinematography

36:23

or whoever did a very good job of making

36:25

it feel unique to them. They're not copying

36:27

Sam Raimi, but there's a chaoticness

36:30

in the editing, in the sound

36:32

design, in the camera. The camera

36:34

moves. That feels very Evil Dead

36:36

without imitating Sam Raimi

36:39

himself. All the stuff through the people

36:41

is one example that comes

36:43

to mind. Yeah, because

36:46

it's it's it's simultaneously

36:48

it's a bit Looney Tunes because they're running back

36:50

and forth

36:50

and you can't really see what's happening. It's

36:53

really intense because it's creepy and your your

36:55

your peripheral vision is cut off.

36:58

You can see the imperfections

37:00

that are on the people itself or on the on the

37:02

lens of the camera. Yeah. And you see

37:04

a lot happens to the people for people who haven't

37:06

seen it. It's they're observing all this violence

37:09

and shit. Yeah, that's a very good example, because

37:11

that also doesn't feel necessarily like a Sam

37:13

Raimi thing. And that's what I mean is

37:15

that the director doesn't feel like he's just

37:18

trying to be Sam Raimi, but

37:20

they're able to inject that chaoticness

37:23

or that weirdness into the filmmaking

37:26

in their own way.

37:28

There were some Dutch angles, you

37:30

know, but like, for example, this the eye,

37:33

the eye shot, they don't do the same

37:35

shot, the same sequence of shots. It's

37:37

they do it in their own way. It was so

37:39

different. In fact, that I did not immediately

37:42

notice it was an homage.

37:44

All right. Yeah, it's so differently

37:46

done. Yeah.

37:48

Yeah, there are little homages in the shots. I believe

37:50

there's a sort of a POV shot of the eye

37:53

a little bit, but it's not in the done in the same

37:55

style. It's shit like that. It's

37:57

hard to describe without

37:59

like kind of.

37:59

re-watching it, but like, and

38:02

then of course the sound design was again,

38:04

they were doing kind of that Evil Dead idea

38:06

where you use all the senses

38:08

including sound where there's these weird fucking

38:10

sounds. Yeah. You can't quite tell

38:12

what they are, but again

38:15

the sounds felt unique to this film

38:17

and to this filmmaker. Right. It's,

38:19

you're talking about stuff like the Ramey cam

38:22

and then stuff like, yeah,

38:25

the weird stop-motion shots

38:27

like Ash's eye clearing up an Evil Dead 2

38:30

and some of the disjointed

38:32

animation and like the sounds when like

38:35

Professor Noby is breaking into the

38:37

world and it's like, that's like, it's unconnected

38:40

noises like horses and lightning bolts

38:42

and shit and it's, it's going, it's like,

38:44

it's like drifting through the channels so

38:47

you can hear it going from left to right in your ears

38:49

when you're watching it. Right. It's, it's

38:51

stuff like that is what we're talking about where

38:53

it's in the filmmaking itself. It's like

38:56

strange and chaotic and frenetic and

38:58

it's sort of capitalizing

39:01

or not capitalizing, but

39:03

really going the extra

39:06

mile to express the, the,

39:08

the chaos of Evil Dead of what's

39:10

happening. That a lot of horror movies, yeah, a lot of horror

39:12

movies hadn't done and

39:14

that was what when I first saw Evil Dead

39:16

I remember feeling like I've never seen something

39:18

like this. I've never seen someone use every

39:21

part of the movie in such a right.

39:23

It's like aggressive way. Right. It's, it's aggressive.

39:25

That's the exact right word because it's not just

39:27

like here. I want to upset people with what's

39:30

happening on screen. It's like, no, no, no. I want to also

39:32

upset people with the way I'm moving

39:34

the camera and the way the sounds

39:37

are hitting their ears and just to portray

39:39

like a vibe in the room to portray an

39:41

evil, like the camera is representing

39:44

it, not just as a POV shot,

39:46

but as a just a weird

39:49

on the space. Yeah.

39:51

I always think about the shot. I think it's in

39:53

Evil Dead. They do it in both of them and

39:56

they do it better in Evil Dead too. And I

39:58

think I'm thinking of the Evil Dead version.

39:59

or evil a two version where you're

40:02

it's an aerial shot looking straight down and

40:05

Ash is walking and as each of the Not

40:08

banisters are they called banisters not

40:11

columns, you know, I'm thinking of The

40:14

slats on the roof Boards

40:16

keep going by you hear it. They make a sound

40:19

they make a sound yeah, that sound

40:21

is for us the audience It's not it's

40:23

not something Ash is hearing it shit like

40:25

that. And I think this does it in its own way Again,

40:28

that doesn't feel like it's just trying to be Sam

40:30

Raimi and it does it definitely doesn't do it as aggressively

40:34

You know, I'm always gonna say this about this movie

40:36

and the original Remake is

40:40

you know, it ain't Sam Raimi, you know, and

40:42

it's not gonna be it's not the original it just

40:44

can't be you know, there's a certain

40:47

Charm to the Indeed

40:50

the low budgetness of the first evil deads

40:52

and also the fact that no one had done that Exactly

40:55

like that before and I hadn't seen that

40:57

so

40:58

You know, that's never gonna be here But that's

41:01

what I mean about this where I'm like, I'm glad they

41:03

didn't try They just kind of did

41:05

shots in their own way Like for example when they're talking

41:07

about the book they kind of have a POV shot

41:10

from the book little things like that That

41:12

are like kind

41:14

of a little disjointed a little weird

41:16

a little unnerving but

41:19

Interesting, you know. Yeah,

41:21

I liked the Necronomicon I thought

41:24

that I didn't think I didn't think I was

41:26

gonna because I had another moment of concern

41:28

sort of like you did With

41:32

some of like the the more overt

41:34

like Kind of winks

41:36

and nods to the audience like to come get some

41:39

like the direct references when um, they

41:41

mentioned that When

41:42

he puts on the record, which is the priest

41:45

reading from the book He said he mentions

41:47

that there's three Necronomicons. So

41:49

I was like, oh boy, here we go Because

41:54

this one is that's interesting so the idea

41:56

is that the one in the original is one Necronomicon

41:59

and this

41:59

the one in the remake is probably another

42:02

and then this one is a third. If

42:04

not, if if the one in the original

42:06

is not meant to be the one from the

42:08

the original series, like I think you're

42:11

right. I think the remade series

42:13

does not exist in the same universe as the

42:15

original series. I think that seems

42:17

to be the case. So it's like,

42:19

OK, there's going to be a third Necronomicon. That's

42:21

all right. It's it felt it felt a little

42:24

marvel-y like they were setting up sequels. But that

42:26

aside, I did really like the redesigned

42:28

Necronomicon. For sure. It's

42:30

not a face. It's got these teeth that

42:32

look really gnarly. And like the book

42:34

itself, the drawings were

42:37

fucked up and gnarly like they always are. They look like cannibal

42:39

corpse albums. But like the

42:41

sound design of

42:44

the page is turning like it's like this

42:46

thick, almost sticky rustling. Yeah,

42:49

that was cool. And as an Evil Dead fan,

42:51

you go into the movie. You know why it sounds like that, but

42:53

it just it hasn't sounded like that in previous versions.

42:57

Right. And the way and also the way they design

42:59

the pages so that they look like you can tell

43:01

it's human skin. It's

43:04

like really. It is.

43:05

Yeah.

43:07

You know what it is, is that

43:09

Sam and Rob, Rob Tapper are producing

43:11

these and Bruce Campbell. And one of the things

43:14

they know to do and they've

43:16

done it every time is they don't just

43:18

get any fucking director. They

43:20

get someone who is paying a lot of

43:22

attention to these things, to the camera

43:24

work, to the sound. They're not just shitting

43:27

out horror movies, right? To the production

43:29

design, too. Yeah. Yeah. They're

43:31

doing like we talked about that Mario

43:33

movie, which was fine. But that

43:36

that Mario movie is a version to me of someone

43:38

just saying, just give it to someone and just make

43:40

a kids movie. Right. And you could easily

43:42

just make a horror movie. Yeah.

43:45

Out of Evil Dead. Yes. You get someone and

43:47

they do the jump scares, they'll do the mirror shots.

43:50

They'll do all the others. They'll just fucking

43:52

do it by the book. And that's what I like about

43:54

both of the remakes of Evil Dead is they don't

43:56

really do it by the book. They get a director

43:58

who.

44:00

does something unique

44:02

who kind of makes their mark while making

44:04

the movie.

44:06

And that's why this idea that they're

44:09

going to make them every few years worries

44:11

me a little bit in combination

44:13

with a lot of stuff we're talking about where I realize

44:15

like

44:17

how many times we want to watch someone find a book

44:19

and read from it? Yeah. Yeah. The first, you

44:21

know, yeah, how many times we want to watch that that

44:23

opening idea. We don't need it every single

44:26

time. So what do you do?

44:27

If you're like if you make another Evil Dead after

44:29

this, what do you do? Do you just have someone do it

44:32

again? It's

44:34

like the Wishmaster movies where it's like

44:36

how many fucking times you have to get let the

44:38

Wishmaster out, you know? Stop

44:41

from it is lame

44:42

or is. And when you look at what we what

44:44

we did with the original Evil Dead's

44:47

is they very much. I

44:49

mean, Evil Dead 2 had to repeat some stuff, but they didn't

44:51

want to. They just had to because they didn't

44:53

have the rights. But

44:56

Sam Raimi has always made them a saga,

44:58

right? Army of Darkness is a very

45:00

different film. Ash versus Evil Dead,

45:03

very different series. And what I'm scared

45:05

is that they're going to keep remaking the first Evil

45:07

Dead over and over again by making

45:09

this an episodic thing. Yeah,

45:12

they're going to have to keep doing this again

45:14

and again. And I'm like,

45:16

I don't know.

45:18

I don't know what to do with this. You know, I don't know. I

45:20

think you were on to something with your suggestion of being

45:22

loose in a city because we do see with that cabin

45:25

prologue that goes into the epilogue,

45:27

there's no book involved with those characters.

45:30

That's true. It's starting. It's just

45:32

sort of loose. Yeah. So

45:35

that's kind of nice. Maybe they will continue.

45:37

I did have two thoughts that

45:39

came to mind as as you were speaking. We

45:43

were talking about reading from the book and the spooky

45:45

ass records that the DJ

45:47

teen has to work on his turntable

45:49

for us to listen to. Did you hear? Did you hear

45:52

the Bruce Campbell cameo?

45:54

No, I'm not. Is

45:56

it he that I'm 98 percent

45:59

certain? He's one of the priests

46:01

you can hear shout in the background. It says no destroyed.

46:03

It's the book of the dead Yeah, that's great. I was

46:05

like, I'm pretty sure that was Bruce camp Yeah,

46:09

I mean he was bound to be in it. He had a vocal

46:11

cameo in the last one, too

46:13

Yeah, and the other the other thing I wanted

46:15

to point out that I just realized Like

46:18

a great fool Dave a great a great brain

46:20

fool as we were recording this is

46:22

the hallway is the cellar The

46:26

Hallway is the cellar the hallway

46:28

outside of their apartment is the cellar from the

46:30

original people dead right because they lock There's

46:34

a chain keeping her in and we

46:37

it's a kind of a Yeah, she's

46:39

singing lullabies on the other side of it. Yep.

46:41

Yeah I love

46:44

that shot by the way when she tricks the little girl

46:46

into opening the door. Oh, yeah, they linger

46:48

they linger listeners if you haven't

46:50

seen yet they linger on the little girl

46:53

like as she's slowly turning the deadbolt

46:55

because she's still not sure and It's this drawn-out

46:57

scene of mother talking to her through the peephole

47:00

through the door and she's just

47:02

slowly slowly slowly turning the deadbolt and

47:05

the second the very

47:07

Instant that deadbolt clicks open

47:10

the door bursts open and it's mom

47:12

going fucking ape shit Full-on

47:15

dead-eye ape shit trying to claw her way through

47:17

the the chained door and it's so well

47:19

done I love that it was just

47:21

like the instant the door unlocked So

47:24

good. Yeah, such a good such a good instinct to

47:27

do that

47:28

really is

47:29

Cuz like you feel like it's a very fun movie

47:32

You feel like most movies would like draw it like the door

47:34

would slowly swing open and it would you know Like

47:36

draw it out for a jump scare But the fact that it instantly

47:39

happened is just that's such an evil

47:41

dead decision Because

47:43

it's still a jump scare, but it's even better

47:45

because it's not at the pacing you expect

47:48

right

47:48

for sure Yeah, it's a very good movie

47:51

and the door the the acting also by

47:53

the way everybody's doing a great job Yeah,

47:55

the deadites having a lot of fun.

47:57

Yeah the main one is dead I'd

47:59

later

47:59

the mom, she's great.

48:02

Oh yeah, she's fucking killing it. That's

48:04

a difficult ass roll, I'm sure.

48:06

She gets beat up in this movie.

48:09

Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah,

48:12

all in all it was a good movie. I just,

48:15

I have like,

48:16

my concerns are from like a producing point

48:18

of view where I'm like, I don't know how this can

48:20

keep going. Yeah, don't worry about it. I don't know how

48:23

this is sustainable. Don't worry about it. We'll

48:25

figure that out if we have to. Like, remember

48:27

when the original defense. No one's gonna ask me to

48:29

figure it out. Yeah, I mean, we'll figure out how we feel

48:32

about it is kind of what I meant. Because like, oh,

48:34

of course, you know, maybe they'll make us another

48:36

one and it'll be great, you know, and they'll

48:39

find a new way to change it up. It's just,

48:41

it's this brought up questions to me that

48:44

I hope they're asking, which is like,

48:46

what

48:46

makes an Evil Dead movie an Evil Dead movie?

48:49

Do you need a Book of the Dead? Do

48:51

you need, you know, an Ash

48:53

type character? Do you need a chainsaw? These

48:55

are all things that I'm now like asking

48:57

myself,

48:58

because it is an interesting

49:00

question, you know? How do

49:02

you extend this

49:04

without Ash, without, if you're not gonna, if you're

49:06

gonna make it episodic, if you're not gonna continue a,

49:09

you know, have a story that unfolds,

49:12

what do you do to

49:14

make it fresh? And I'm very

49:17

curious to see what they come up with. Yeah,

49:19

yeah, same. And it's,

49:21

I mean- Because that's the thing, I also have faith in them. Rob

49:23

Tepper and Sam Raimi as producers, they

49:26

obviously are asking these questions, you

49:28

know? And it may not happen

49:30

too. That's because, you know- That's true.

49:33

I felt like there was gonna be a sequel to the Fedi

49:35

Alvarez remake, and there was all this excitement around

49:37

it, but it just, it never wound up doing

49:40

anything. Yeah,

49:41

that's the thing. I think they're, so,

49:43

I think they're doing the right thing already.

49:46

And the idea of them saying, we wanna have one every few

49:48

years, that's all well and fine. But

49:50

honestly, it seems like they're taking great care

49:52

in these two that they made, where they find

49:55

a filmmaker they want to use, they find

49:57

a good idea that's fun,

49:59

and they- they make

50:01

the hell out of it. It's

50:03

an interesting

50:05

distinction for Evil Dead as a franchise.

50:07

So far, there's no bad Evil

50:09

Dead.

50:10

No, there really isn't. And

50:12

that is unique in horror franchises.

50:16

That's very unique and there's

50:18

a freshness to, here's

50:21

the other thing that I, it's

50:24

so funny. Cause I don't,

50:26

it's part of me not knowing what I want. That's what,

50:28

this is why I liked the first four alien movies.

50:31

Cause even though those are very repetitive, you

50:33

know, Sigourney Weaver, oh, there's more aliens.

50:36

What are we going to do? They have a different director for

50:38

each one who has a different vision, who has, brings

50:40

a freshness to it. I think it's smart

50:42

for them to keep having different directors do different

50:44

Evil Deads. I also think it's smart

50:47

to have different characters, frankly.

50:50

I just am trying to think about

50:52

like, well, how do you keep doing that?

50:55

And it's, it's tough.

50:59

I think they got to find a way to drop the book. I

51:01

think they got to find, so here's what

51:03

it is. Here's, we talked about that

51:05

prologue at Epilogue and how it seemed

51:07

weird.

51:08

It might be the smartest fucking thing they ever did.

51:11

Cause what we're, what they're, what

51:13

they're promising basically is

51:15

what if the next movie is at the fucking

51:18

A-frame house starts there

51:20

and it continues on like a virus. And

51:22

what if that movie ends with an entirely different

51:24

cast, it moving to them.

51:28

And they keep doing that, that'll be fucking great.

51:31

If every single thing you follow, you just follow

51:33

the evil as it goes to a new group

51:36

in a new situation and you keep

51:38

playing with that, that would be a fucking blast.

51:40

Yeah, no, I think it seems to be

51:43

what the goal of that scene was.

51:46

Yeah, it's like a Jason movie. Jason

51:48

is the same, everything around him is different. Right,

51:50

yeah. And it seems, it seems like what this movie

51:52

was, was trying to do ultimately with that was

51:54

to get rid of the book.

51:56

Yeah, and it did it in a very cool way,

51:59

so yeah.

52:00

I think I'm really fucking excited

52:02

for what they come up with.

52:04

Yeah, man, I'm totally in. I'm totally in.

52:06

This was great. Yeah, this was great. This was great.

52:09

Yeah, a lot of fun. I love that little

52:11

boogens at the end.

52:13

That teens, teens mom

52:16

boogens with all the all the arms and legs.

52:18

I think the thing that did it, my favorite

52:20

moment is still the bed sheet. And the reason

52:23

why is because I I hadn't really

52:25

quite seen that in Evil Dead because one of the things they

52:27

always do is the dead eye. And

52:29

it's like, ha ha ha ha ha. And it covered

52:32

like that

52:33

was like, oh, that's kind of neat. They like

52:35

took that away from it. And

52:38

it's running around still and it's floating and

52:40

it's doing all the stuff. But it just looks creepy.

52:42

And when it flies across the room,

52:45

just dragging its toenail across

52:47

the floor. Yeah, it's all bloody and

52:49

shit. And it's like, hmm, that

52:51

was that was a blast. Maybe he was buck wild.

52:54

Yeah, it was great.

52:56

I don't have anything else to say. I

52:58

don't think

52:59

no, no, no, no. I I I.

53:02

I had more to say than I thought

53:04

I did, to be honest, because this was just pure

53:06

joy watching it. It's a lot of fun. Yeah.

53:10

I mean, that's why we do this podcast right after watching

53:12

it. So you can hear us in real time. Think

53:14

about it. The best thing I can say

53:16

is it's still it

53:19

still felt like Evil Dead, but not entirely

53:21

like it felt like a new thing.

53:23

Yeah, in a good way. And

53:25

then all the ways that I said earlier, it's like, oh, I wasn't

53:27

sure about the apartment. I wasn't sure about the prologue.

53:31

So all those things that I kind of wasn't sure about

53:33

sort of still come together because this is

53:35

still identifiably an Evil Dead

53:37

movie in its DNA. I got to say,

53:40

so I do want them

53:42

to go back to the city.

53:44

That frame that like that cabin,

53:46

that new cabin. I don't want a new cabin. I

53:48

think we're done with the cabin. And here I'm

53:51

you know, I'm going to say this is stupid. But

53:54

considering Army of Darkness,

53:57

I do think there are so many places to go.

54:00

with this. There are. And I think the next

54:02

sequel, not the one after the next, the

54:04

next sequel, let's go to space.

54:07

Let's go to space and

54:10

not just go to space,

54:12

but let's go to like not future space.

54:14

I don't mean like Jason X. I mean,

54:16

let's go to the international space station. Okay.

54:18

Okay. I'm with you. Now I'm with you. Like gravity

54:21

shit. Let's do it where it's like astronauts

54:24

in a shuttle, like modern today.

54:26

Again, not future because future that just

54:29

creates the same thing where it's just, they're running

54:31

around. I don't know. I just think there'd be a lot of fun

54:33

for outer space

54:35

or like, let's just start throwing it in different settings.

54:38

Yeah. Gravity with a dead eye.

54:40

Yeah. But let's really commit to it. Cause

54:43

that's my only note of this is like, I wish they had really

54:45

done the city like really gotten every part of it. This

54:48

was a lot of fun, but I do think there's more city

54:50

to be had too.

54:52

Um, but outer space, wild

54:54

West,

54:55

Tom wild West, evil dead. Sure.

54:58

The beauty of the book of the dead

55:00

is it's, it's, it's been around for a while.

55:02

It's super old.

55:04

It's, it was in, it was in a bank vault. And this

55:06

one, uh, what, what does that mean? Is there, is

55:08

there like 1940s gangsters, evil dead? I

55:10

don't know. It's the same with like the aliens

55:13

or predators where it's like, the biggest mistake they can

55:15

make is like feeling like there's a

55:17

limitation. Right. That's what made pray.

55:19

So fun

55:20

is it's like that realization of like, there's no

55:22

limitations here. There's no rules to

55:24

where an evil dead can be set.

55:27

Yeah, for sure. Like they, yeah, get

55:30

off, get away from the cabin. Even

55:32

if it's just like a truck stop diner, like

55:34

there is just there, you can change it up.

55:37

Um, and I don't think you need isolation

55:39

either. I think you can have fun. Cool. If you

55:41

did like a, kind of like an invasion of the body snatchers,

55:44

like where it's in like a cul-de-sac or a neighborhood.

55:47

Oh yeah. Ooh. Fuck

55:50

yeah. Just a neighborhood would be cool. Suburban. A

55:54

mall. A mall. Sure. Um, yeah.

55:57

Or again, space. Sure. No,

55:59

I.

55:59

I specifically,

56:02

I wasn't going with you at first, but when you

56:04

said modern, like today,

56:06

like contemporary, I was like, okay, I'm there with you. Right,

56:09

because you could wear the spacesuits, they'll actually

56:11

protect you from deadites a little. A

56:14

little bit. No, no, but a little enough,

56:16

like if someone turned into a deadite in a spacesuit, that'd

56:18

be fun, because they can't really bite

56:21

and scratch. Like it would be like they

56:24

could do something fucked up, they could, you know,

56:26

and of course, sucking someone off into space,

56:28

you gotta suck them off. You gotta

56:31

do the space suck off. Yeah,

56:33

yeah, there's just so many fun things you

56:35

could do. And then you still have that weird isolation,

56:38

you have the idea of it's trying to like tear through

56:41

the walls, you could like trap them in some places.

56:44

There's just this fun shit you could do.

56:47

There's weird equipment you

56:49

can hit them with. I like the idea

56:51

of just like blood covered space station

56:54

eventually.

56:55

Yeah, I mean, who does, I dream about that at

56:57

least twice a week, like who doesn't love that? Yeah.

57:01

Oh yeah, the future is bright.

57:04

Listen, yeah, I have nothing else

57:06

to say. Okay. All

57:08

right, thanks for listening, folks. Yeah,

57:10

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