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Welcome to Gaslit Nation. I am your host,

1:06

Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and

1:08

filmmaker and the writer and producer of the journalistic

1:10

thriller, Mr. Jones, about Stalin's

1:13

genocide famine in Ukraine. The film

1:16

that the Kremlin and its useful idiots across

1:18

the EU do not want you to see,

1:20

so go out and see it. We're going to be talking about some of those useful

1:22

idiots today because on

1:24

the show, helping me stare

1:27

into the dark abyss are Olga

1:30

Lottman and Monique Camara, two

1:33

brilliant analysts of the

1:35

Kremlin File podcast. And

1:37

we're going to be looking at the

1:40

larger manipulation of

1:42

the dynamics at play today in

1:44

the world, how Russia is

1:46

driving and working

1:49

with bad actors in the terrorist

1:51

realm. And of course, I'm going to include

1:53

Hamas, Iran, the

1:56

Russian-linked, Russian-backed politicians,

1:59

stroterephing protest

2:02

groups in Europe and elsewhere, and how

2:05

this mind manipulation threatens

2:07

to divide Americans,

2:10

even more than we're divided now, leading

2:12

into probably the worst year of our lives, 2024,

2:16

the election that is going to determine the fate of

2:18

the world. So that's a lot that we're

2:20

going to cover, but this is the stuff that

2:23

we talk about anyway. And I had to

2:25

stop our conversation so we could finally

2:27

hit record because Olga and Monique

2:29

were cooking and I wanted everyone to hear it too.

2:32

So ladies, thank you so much for being

2:34

here. Thank you. Thanks, Andrea. And

2:37

Monique is joining us from Italy, where she

2:39

is covering the Italian press. And

2:43

I want to start with Russia. So

2:46

what is Russia's role?

2:48

Do you think the timing of

2:50

Hamas is super sophisticated?

2:54

Her attack, where people had cognitive

2:56

dissonance, where they heard that Hamas used

2:58

paragliders because this was sweeping,

3:02

well-funded, well-organized, and

3:04

the timing could not have been better for

3:06

Russia. They're losing the war.

3:09

Their economy is shrinking.

3:12

Putin faced his first meaningful

3:15

threat to his power, military coup,

3:17

and so on and so on. And the sanctions

3:20

are biting. And Trump's

3:22

being arrested left and right. He needs

3:24

Trump to win the White House in order to

3:27

get the Russian White House back. So

3:29

the timing of this is really suspicious.

3:32

Hamas was in Moscow this past

3:34

week. They're there earlier this year. What are

3:36

your thoughts on Russia's role in

3:38

Hamas's terrorist attack and how Russia

3:40

benefits? Do you see the hand of Russia

3:42

in this? And if so, why? Oh,

3:44

big time. But Olga, why don't

3:46

you roll? And then I'll add.

3:49

Where do I begin? The

3:52

night I happened to be up as

3:54

I saw the paragliders coming

3:56

in and watched the attack unfold on

3:59

October 9th. And I mean,

4:02

I've, you know, monitored Hamas.

4:04

It's not my expertise, but I just

4:07

monitor anything that Russia is involved

4:09

with.

4:09

And these are not their

4:10

tactics.

4:12

Russia

4:12

is the one who has, you know,

4:15

the expertise to breach borders

4:17

and to carry out invasions. Even

4:19

Iran doesn't have this. So

4:22

historically, just to give a little background,

4:24

Russia for decades, back to

4:26

the Soviet Union, has

4:28

been very close with

4:29

Hamas. I mean, they have, you know,

4:32

they have meetings. I mean, they were there

4:34

last week, but they, you know, come visit

4:36

Russia at least once or twice

4:38

a year over the years. At

4:41

the same time, another key, key factor

4:44

is Hezbollah, because

4:46

Russia worked

4:48

very closely with Hezbollah, which is another

4:51

terrorist organization. And

4:53

they worked

4:54

so closely together that

4:56

they

4:57

set up an operation center

4:59

in Syria, in

5:01

Latakia, to

5:04

carry out the mass murders

5:07

of Syrians, which, you know, by some

5:09

accounts, can amount to

5:11

close to a million Syrians that Assad

5:13

and Russia and Iran have murdered

5:16

over since, you know, the past 13 years.

5:18

Russia has also been selling

5:21

weapons to both organizations.

5:24

Syria has been a

5:26

transit point for the past year

5:28

and a half, which is actually, you know,

5:30

very, very frustrating of

5:33

Iranian weapons and components

5:35

making their way to Russia that

5:37

are being used to kill Ukrainians.

5:40

And this, when I

5:42

watched this attack unfold, my first

5:44

question literally, and I even, I saw

5:48

the power gliders coming, the

5:50

first thing I put on Twitter

5:51

was, where

5:52

is Russia's role in this? Because

5:55

I am sorry, this was

5:57

a very coordinated attack. very

6:00

coordinated. This was very well planned.

6:03

You saw Iranian fingerprints, despite

6:05

what Israel and the US is saying, you

6:08

saw the Iranian fingerprints in it.

6:10

But Iranians have limitations into

6:12

what their expertise are. And

6:16

for instance, even just paragliding

6:19

into another country, where

6:21

did Hassel learn to use these

6:23

paragliders?

6:24

Where did they train for this?

6:27

Because if there were people paragliding

6:28

over the past two years in

6:31

Gaza, then obviously

6:33

we would have seen or heard some kind

6:35

of reports of, oh, look, people are in the

6:37

air. But there was nothing. So

6:40

these people had to be trained offshore.

6:42

And if I was US agencies

6:44

and European agencies and Israeli

6:46

agencies, I would check to see

6:48

the travel of who

6:51

traveled to Russia over the past few

6:53

years to receive the training. And

6:56

Russia is known to train terrorist

6:59

organizations. Alza Wahiri,

7:01

the number two of Al Qaeda,

7:04

went in 1987, I believe, was

7:06

trained six months inside of Russia

7:09

in an FSB camp. So Russia

7:11

has a very, very long history

7:14

of not only providing weapons

7:17

to terrorists, but also providing

7:19

the training and everything

7:21

else, the logistical support, and then obviously

7:24

with it, the

7:25

information warfare operations

7:28

that they help conduct, as we're

7:30

seeing, that you can't step on any platform right

7:32

now. We're just seeing a bunch of bullshit

7:35

mixed in with actual facts. So

7:38

I definitely would think

7:41

Russia has a role

7:43

in this. And as with

7:45

Russia's, you know, I mean, again, going

7:47

back to the Soviet Union, both

7:50

the Soviets and actually you could go back

7:52

to the Tars. I mean, the anti-Semitism

7:55

operations over the past centuries

7:58

have been

7:59

rampant. I mean this is the whole

8:02

exact point of why half of Ukrainian

8:04

Jews are here and Russian Jews are

8:07

in the

8:07

US because in the 70s the

8:10

pressure inside the Soviet Union

8:12

was so great for the Jewish population

8:15

that the KGB

8:17

with Kalugan who at the time was heading

8:20

counterintelligence had told me that

8:22

he went to Landropov and said yes

8:24

we should sign on to the Jackson-Venek

8:26

amendments and let the Jews

8:29

out so we can ease the pressure

8:31

here inside of the Soviet

8:34

Union and at the same time we can send

8:36

out Trojan horses and

8:39

potential KGB operatives who after

8:41

they assimilate in Israel and

8:43

in the US then we can tap them

8:45

in a few years and you know remind

8:48

them of the motherland

8:49

and where their loyalty should

8:51

lie. And they've conducted these

8:54

operations for decades and

8:56

as with everything Russia does

8:59

they have run this well-coordinated

9:02

global disinformation

9:04

and hate operation

9:06

so well that

9:08

now it bounds back into Russia

9:10

as with everything they do. They did this with COVID.

9:13

They spread so

9:15

much COVID disinformation and

9:17

ran such a well like

9:20

organized campaign against COVID

9:22

with you know all the conspiracies and microchips

9:25

and whatever but Russia is not immune

9:27

to it because then that shuttle from the internet

9:30

it came back to them and they

9:32

ended up having you know a whole

9:35

population who did not want to take the vaccine

9:38

because they thought that there were microchips and some

9:40

other garbage inside the vaccine. Same

9:42

thing is happening now. Now you have the whole

9:44

Muslim community in Russia.

9:46

It started with Dagestan who

9:49

attacked an airport and

9:52

now they're putting out calls for the whole Muslim

9:54

community across Russia to unite

9:57

and you have to remember there is close to 25 million.

10:00

if not 30 million Muslims inside

10:02

of Russia. And now,

10:04

from their global operations, they blew

10:06

right into

10:07

inside of Russia. And it'll be interesting

10:10

to see how Putin handled it because he

10:13

cannot

10:14

tamp down these operations because

10:16

then he's gonna have Qadira and

10:18

the Chechens and the Dagestanis

10:21

and the Ingus Chetians and everyone

10:24

who will even bring more

10:27

challenge to his power and more unrest

10:30

inside.

10:31

You referenced that story of a

10:33

flight from Tel Aviv landing in Russia

10:35

and being stormed by mob,

10:37

essentially. They

10:40

were hunting for Jews. In Dagestanis.

10:42

They were hunting to kill

10:43

Jews. And the

10:46

thing is that people think this is

10:48

some kind of well-coordinated

10:50

FSB operation. No, it's not.

10:53

Dagestan, you know, Russia couldn't

10:55

care less about Dagestan.

10:56

This is the blowback from

10:58

the operations they're fueling globally.

11:01

And I mean, this is not the beginning. These are the same

11:03

people who

11:03

are coming out who, you know, have

11:06

argued over the years.

11:07

And it's important to point out that Russia is

11:10

essentially a house of cards. It's made up of

11:12

all of these different ethnic republics

11:15

that the Russian forces are squeezing

11:18

for bodies to feed into its meat

11:21

grinder. It's not the hipster

11:23

Russians in Saint Petersburg and Moscow

11:25

who are being sent to war. It's the

11:27

ethnic republics like Dagestan

11:30

and elsewhere. Well, yeah, and that's

11:32

even last year I had said that Russia's conducting

11:35

ethnic cleansing because the huge

11:38

proportion, when you look, of

11:41

how many of these republics

11:43

were being sent into the meat grinder

11:45

versus the ethnic Russians.

11:48

I mean, the figures are staggering

11:51

when you compare the ethnic Russians to

11:53

the minorities that are being

11:55

sent to basically execution.

11:59

could absolutely backfire because they're

12:02

getting real world combat

12:04

military training that they could then use against

12:07

the regime to break away. Well, as a

12:09

policy, just to add a little something

12:11

just in case anybody wants to read up on these kind

12:13

of things. What Olga was talking

12:15

about before

12:16

from the 1950s, there's a lot

12:18

of people that have written about it,

12:19

it being an actual military,

12:22

economic, and political strategy

12:25

that Russia had used and instituted

12:28

in the 1950s, if anybody is at all

12:31

interested. In reading about it,

12:33

there's Joseph D. Douglas who wrote great

12:35

piece on why the Soviets

12:38

violate arms control treaties

12:40

and it gives you a very

12:41

detailed

12:42

description of how

12:45

they see treaties and

12:49

what it really means. And this is really

12:51

important if we're going to touch on, let's say,

12:53

the protest movements and what we're seeing, all

12:55

the BS that we're seeing online and on the

12:57

streets, what they mean by

13:00

peace and what they mean by disarmament.

13:03

Because this is a big, big topic, especially

13:06

when it's tied to Ukraine as well

13:09

because we've seen protest movements

13:11

about disarmament and let's

13:13

call for peace treaties, but what does

13:15

it mean in, let's say, the Russian mentality

13:18

and what

13:18

does it mean for us?

13:20

And this is something that if anybody wants to take a look

13:22

at, it's a great piece.

13:24

So that's that part there.

13:27

In Dagestan,

13:27

from my knowledge, they've

13:29

been having protests for all sorts of things

13:32

in the past few months. Oil prices

13:35

at the gas prices that have gone up,

13:37

so every once in a while they torch something. So

13:41

it's a really destabilized area, which

13:44

this is something that the

13:46

Russians fear. And this

13:49

is also a topic of what it means globally,

13:52

these kind of small,

13:54

localized proxy wars in

13:56

different areas, which is what I think is going to happen,

13:59

let's say, eventually. Eventually, we're

14:01

starting to see it. We're starting to see it.

14:04

So I think that's one of the

14:06

effects of

14:08

what we're seeing and

14:11

what it will do to the war in Ukraine, which is what

14:13

I'm really worried about, especially.

14:17

I don't know whether you guys have anything

14:19

to add about that or not.

14:20

So you think this... So the way I see

14:23

it, and I want to follow up with Monique, is

14:25

I see it as Russia with this close

14:28

alignment and very practical

14:31

collaboration with both

14:34

Hamas and Hezbollah. Hezbollah controlling southern

14:36

Lebanon, which has been firing rockets in

14:38

Israel and threatening opening up another front.

14:41

Russia completely owns Syria. Syria

14:44

is now a Russian military base, the first

14:47

ever it's been able to capture on the Mediterranean.

14:49

And Russia uses Syria as

14:51

a staging ground for all of

14:54

its imperialist operations

14:56

across the continent of Africa, including

14:59

sending their proxies over to Sudan,

15:01

where they full on fermented a military coup.

15:04

Yeah, so it's... And

15:06

Niger. Yeah, Niger, and

15:08

so on, and the whole Africa

15:10

operation. And I want to talk to the idiots on

15:13

the far left, my family,

15:15

my ideological family,

15:17

because we agree on domestic issues

15:19

by and large, but back in the day,

15:22

when so many on the left harassed

15:25

Syrian human rights activists and turned

15:28

their back on Syria and amplified

15:31

Russian disinformation, blaming

15:33

the victim in Syria, and

15:35

full on just... It

15:37

was a horrible capitulation, moral

15:39

capitulation. And Obama

15:42

representing this big muddled,

15:44

the death of truth when it came to Syria, refusing

15:47

to support the red line that he

15:50

drew in Syria, which just invites... Weakness

15:52

that invites further tests

15:55

by Russia. And all

15:57

that did was allow Russia to capture

15:59

Syria. when we should have had a strong US

16:01

presence there back in the day. And if we had,

16:03

maybe Ukraine wouldn't have happened. And if we

16:06

had, maybe Russia wouldn't have been able to

16:08

push even further militarily across

16:10

Africa, slaughtering innocent civilians

16:12

caught in the crossfires of its imperialist ambitions.

16:15

So there you go. That's why we talk about

16:18

these things. And that's why we have

16:20

to focus on this.

16:21

I could add on the Syria angle because

16:23

I work on Syrian issues and I work

16:25

with Syrian human rights organizations.

16:28

And after

16:30

the Arab Spring, peaceful protests

16:33

by, I would say, 2012 at the earliest,

16:35

Russia

16:39

started sending when

16:41

Assad's power was being challenged

16:44

by peaceful protests. These were

16:46

teenagers,

16:47

teenagers who were being slaughtered.

16:51

Russia gave the green light to Padilla

16:54

to send chapsions there. So

16:56

eventually in 2015, Russians

16:58

did enter officially. But

17:00

from 2012, there were

17:02

chapsions. There were Russian military

17:04

advisers assisting

17:07

working alongside Iran, all

17:09

the Iranian proxy groups,

17:10

and Assad, and

17:12

frankly, ISIS, to

17:16

make sure and quell

17:18

these protests. And this resulted

17:20

in close to one million

17:23

Syrians being slaughtered. Chemical

17:25

weapons used against kids and women

17:27

and elderly.

17:29

I know people who ran underground

17:31

hospitals

17:32

to treat these chemical victims

17:35

of patience. And

17:36

at the same time, as

17:38

this was happening, Russia

17:41

had illegally annexed Crimea.

17:43

Same thing, little green men, in

17:46

fact, they had come in on paragliders.

17:50

I guess they,

17:51

you know, Russia perfected their tactics

17:53

after. But same

17:56

exact thing, they annexed Crimea.

17:59

They...

17:59

occupied illegally Donbas.

18:03

And then you saw the same exact

18:05

Russian military personnel

18:07

shuffling from Crimea

18:10

and Ukraine because

18:13

at the time they also tried to take Kharkiv and

18:16

Odessa and Marayupo and Milutopo and

18:18

others. You saw the same people

18:20

shuffling back and forth from there

18:23

to Syria and back and

18:25

forth. And I mean

18:27

Ukrainians have a huge, huge

18:29

database

18:29

of every single person

18:31

who has operated in Tachnya, Dorsoil

18:35

and Syria. And at the same time

18:37

when this was happening Russia

18:39

carried out a very,

18:42

very, very organized disinformation

18:45

operation campaign and frankly information

18:48

warfare across

18:49

the whole globe trying to

18:52

convince that Crimea and Donbas

18:55

was legitimately Russian, which

18:57

is not its Ukrainian territory,

18:59

always has been. And

19:01

at the same time running

19:04

disinformation operations for

19:07

Assad to cover

19:08

for his mass murders, to

19:10

cover for the use of chemical weapons

19:13

and to cover for the slaughter of innocent

19:16

Syrians who were being pushed

19:17

off their land and had to give

19:20

up everything to move and get squeezed

19:22

further

19:22

and further and further. And

19:25

now these are the same organizations

19:27

that you see. I'm sorry,

19:29

I'm not going

19:29

to say every single protester. The majority

19:32

of protesters have extremely

19:34

good intentions. They are seeing

19:36

horrific images come out and

19:38

they are standing up for them and that is fine.

19:41

I'm talking about the drivers behind it. And

19:43

these are the same people who whitewashed

19:47

Assad's chemical weapons,

19:49

who whitewashed the execution of

19:51

Crimea's execution of Qatar's

19:53

if they're so concerned about Muslims, that

19:57

were being executed in Crimea.

20:00

who were being put into concentration

20:01

camps.

20:03

And that's it. And this you're just

20:05

seeing, and these same people were being

20:07

repurposed because Russia, back

20:09

to Soviet days, historically has always

20:12

aligned

20:12

with the extreme left. I'm

20:14

not even gonna call it the far left, it's the extreme

20:16

fringe left.

20:18

It's straight up horseshoe theory. It's

20:20

what that French philosopher came up with. The

20:22

extremes are so extreme that they meet in the middle.

20:24

Yeah, this is something that goes back

20:26

to the Second World War.

20:28

Yeah, and Russia used these same groups

20:31

to lie

20:32

about annexation

20:34

of Crimea, to lie about MH17, to

20:37

freaking glorify Stalin

20:40

and Lenin, who murdered, I mean,

20:42

they'll talk about mass murderers, these

20:44

mass murderers,

20:45

and to lie about

20:47

Syria, lie

20:48

about Syrian chemical weapons being

20:50

used and say that this never did happen

20:53

when obviously there is more than ample

20:55

enough evidence that Syrians

20:57

were subjected

20:58

to chemical attacks by Assad

21:01

with the help of Russia's forces. And

21:04

frankly,

21:05

then you saw them being repurposed in

21:07

various things with US

21:09

elections in 2016,

21:11

and then on and on and on. Again,

21:14

not all the protesters, the protesters

21:17

legitimately are seeing scenes and they're coming

21:19

out and voicing their support

21:22

for

21:22

Palestine. And I mean, it's the same

21:24

thing when we saw what was happening

21:26

inside of a Mariupol carpet

21:29

bombing of cities,

21:30

but the puppet drivers

21:32

behind this is the people

21:34

that need to be looked at. Absolutely.

21:36

Yeah. And on that, exactly.

21:38

I mean, we know in London, for example,

21:41

it was Stop the War that organized the

21:43

big protest. I listen

21:45

every single day to radio just

21:48

to hear what people are actually saying, normal

21:50

people, the Colin shows and stuff like

21:52

that. I have

21:53

it on the background as I'm working away.

21:55

And they keep repeating,

21:57

like Olga said, these are...

23:03

was

24:00

saying right from, okay, early

24:02

on, and they're just being recycled

24:05

and they move, right, from one,

24:07

it's the same narrative, but they

24:09

move from one crisis point to the other.

24:13

And it's, I wouldn't say coordinated, it's sort of like

24:15

they've learned what they have to do. And

24:17

they don't, they probably don't even have to be told, or

24:19

they're given instructions, I have no idea at this

24:21

point, not yet. But this is the way, okay,

24:24

what we're seeing. No, they're in vaccinated. Exactly.

24:28

Well, the ones that are on the absolute left,

24:30

like we're talking, I wouldn't

24:32

even consider them, they're not even mainstream. And these

24:34

people are really dangerous. Okay.

24:37

And they have, they have, let's

24:39

say, fame

24:42

and access to media

24:44

that they're, they're punching

24:46

way over, okay, their actual

24:49

weight. In terms of representation,

24:52

I can tell you that in the last elections, this

24:54

whole group got something

24:56

under 4%, okay, of

24:58

the vote, which means they're

25:01

not even represented in parliament,

25:03

but they were splashed all over

25:05

the news talking

25:06

anti American, anti NATO,

25:08

which is really dangerous.

25:12

And reusing all of those narratives that

25:14

we've seen for years and years and

25:16

years, and they're repurposing them for,

25:18

and they just use it. Okay, oh, now it's Hamas.

25:21

Okay,

25:22

you know, here

25:22

you go. All right. And it's

25:25

the same thing. It's absolutely

25:27

incredible. What's really dangerous, in my

25:29

view as well, is that now Russia has more partners.

25:32

So we've seen, for example,

25:35

all sorts of meetings

25:37

with,

25:38

I mean, okay, let's put orb on the side for now.

25:41

But I mean, we've seen them with Vietnam, North

25:43

Korea,

25:44

I don't know how much they're getting from these countries,

25:47

China, okay, constantly. I mean, this

25:49

is already maybe the third time

25:51

that Lavrov, I

25:53

mean, he's, he's traveling all over the place. So

25:56

this is what I find dangerous

25:58

because they are now expanding.

27:37

way

28:00

worse and they torture

28:03

and carry out just sadistic acts of

28:05

inhumanity, just like Stalin did. And

28:08

it's the OGPU, it's the NKVD,

28:11

it's the KGB, it's whatever you want to call it,

28:14

it's a terror police

28:16

regime.

28:17

And the anti-imperialist left

28:20

that falls for it every time.

28:21

Every single time.

28:23

Like Lucy's football, they just are there.

28:25

I want to turn to you Monique about the

28:27

reporting that you were mentioning before we hit record

28:31

out of Italy on the

28:34

Russian SVR agents that were in Gaza

28:36

and the lead up to Hamas's big terror attack.

28:39

Could you speak on that?

28:40

No.

28:46

No, it's very brief.

28:48

They had visited, they had hooked, they had

28:50

linked these visits with

28:54

what we know about Hamas

28:57

and Iran,

28:59

which had already visited this year,

29:01

once in October and

29:03

once in March, right, that we know officially.

29:06

So this is what, there's seven SVR

29:08

agents, basically.

29:10

And just a reminder that

29:13

Wagner, who operated

29:15

in Syria since 2014,

29:19

since his formation, which by the way was

29:21

formed by a GRU colonel

29:24

who had Nazi paraphernalia

29:26

stamped on his neck and is

29:29

a Nazi worshipper. But

29:31

before that, he came from Syria,

29:35

from the, what was it, Slavonic corpse. So

29:38

you have had Russians, besides Russians

29:40

and Russian advisors, you had mercenary

29:43

groups operating in the region

29:45

for at least the past decade. I mean, for

29:48

God's sakes, Malofave. The

29:50

one,

29:51

the king of the far right, who

29:53

runs operations across Europe and through

29:56

evangelicals and other religious

29:59

affiliates in the United States.

29:59

United States to some division

30:02

had a freaking mercenary group in Syria

30:05

and has, you know, I mean,

30:08

there are so many of

30:09

them that were there. And also

30:11

the tactics used. I mean, Hamas,

30:13

what we saw October 7th unfold, the

30:15

beheadings, the setting people on fire,

30:18

the rapes,

30:19

the executions, the

30:22

kidnappings.

30:24

This is exactly what Russia's been doing

30:26

since 2014 in Ukraine. I

30:28

mean, the only thing Hamas missed out is taking

30:30

children and then, you know, erasing

30:33

their Jewish heritage to reprogram

30:35

them as Middle Eastern.

30:38

That's the only thing that's missing because Russia

30:41

did that on a wholesale scale, taking Ukrainian

30:43

children, erasing their

30:46

Ukrainian heritage, making

30:48

them forget

30:49

their Ukrainian anthem

30:51

to repurpose them, to be Haitians.

30:55

I mean, the tactics

30:57

are very, very, you know,

30:59

similar. And here you have people who

31:02

overlook what Russia does because they're

31:04

a country with a

31:07

supposed leader. They overlook

31:09

all of this, but then they're very

31:11

quick to call out the Hamas terrorist attacks.

31:14

And that's where I want to know what is the

31:16

difference between Hamas and the Russian military.

31:19

Because frankly, I

31:21

don't see this in Western militaries

31:23

for all the wrong we have

31:25

done.

31:26

And God knows, I have a lot of criticism,

31:28

you know, of US policy

31:31

and European policy, but

31:33

we do not go with telling

31:35

house by house in towns, massacring

31:38

people, raping women and children

31:40

in front of their husbands, executing them,

31:43

cutting their tongues out, setting

31:45

them on fire. We don't do this. This

31:47

is not part of our military policy.

31:50

This is part of, however, the

31:52

Soviet policy of

31:54

the Soviet military. This is what they did

31:56

in the Afghan wars, first and

31:58

second.

31:59

the Russian military.

32:01

It definitely looks like Wagner-Vagner

32:04

terror tactics, militarized terror

32:07

tactics. Industrialized

32:09

terror, that's Russia. Yeah,

32:11

and you know what we keep forgetting too

32:13

is that the Wagner-Vagner,

32:15

I mean all of the irregular troops, the Russian irregular

32:17

troops, are all through the Kubals.

32:20

We're talking they're all there and they're

32:22

still there. They're in 22 countries, I think that's

32:24

the last count, probably more. They're

32:27

entrenching themselves in these areas,

32:29

right, with these kind of tactics. And

32:32

we should be looking at the larger picture

32:35

and I'm asking, and I have

32:37

been asking, what are we going to do?

32:39

We've got, you know, the European Union

32:42

who is basically lagging behind.

32:44

They still haven't got their act together. Still

32:47

the 12th package. They haven't been able to

32:49

to decide on. We've got Slovakia

32:51

now. And Slovakia's new government is

32:54

pro-Russian anti-Ukrainian. Slovakia

32:57

now, Fisso. Okay,

32:59

here you go, you know. You've got

33:01

Orban, who every once in a while just takes

33:03

everybody and, you know, is using himself,

33:07

okay. Tacked as in Italians

33:09

we say ricacto, where they're trying to, he

33:11

threatens in order to get something, okay, for himself.

33:14

The last time I think it was to take off sanctions

33:16

from OTP, the bank. There's an Italian

33:19

word for that? Ricacto. Oh yeah,

33:21

of course. There's always, remember we're Machiavelli,

33:24

the Romans, we're really good at this

33:27

kind of stuff. That's why Italians... Is ball-busting

33:28

an Italian word? You

33:30

know what? You

33:32

know what, Italians and Russians, that's why they understand

33:34

each other. This kind of stuff is like, got

33:36

it. Okay, mafia tactics. Here we go, all

33:39

right. There's a lot of love there. Easy

33:42

to understand, you know what I mean?

33:44

So this is the kind of thing, they still haven't

33:46

put those sanctions or any mechanism

33:48

whatsoever on Russian

33:50

diamonds that we've been going after

33:52

them for for like months and since

33:55

the beginning

33:55

of the war Alrosa is still

33:57

operating without any problems.

33:59

Okay. And they've been able

34:02

to sell their stuff all through the markets. And

34:04

we're talking huge billions and billions

34:07

of dollars. So, you know, this is

34:09

the EU. Okay. NATO,

34:11

I think is starting to sort of wake up

34:13

to the thing, but I don't know how much they're doing. They have to

34:15

increase production of armaments

34:18

in Europe, but also in the United States.

34:21

We're falling behind on what

34:23

we need to provide to Ukraine to

34:25

get going, because we keep forgetting that all of

34:28

this other stuff is distracting

34:30

from the real threat of what is going

34:32

on right now. And it's Ukrainians dying and

34:35

Ukrainians that have to fight in

34:37

order to save their nation. We keep forgetting

34:40

this kind of stuff. All of a sudden, you know,

34:42

it becomes important the protester who's

34:44

talking about disarmament or whatever, that's

34:46

like, oh, come on. Okay. Look at what is happening

34:49

on the ground. That kind

34:51

of situation, it's distracting from

34:53

this kind of thing. In the US, everybody

34:55

is shaking. I mean, who are they going to put in the

34:58

White House?

34:59

Okay, because this is going to be another factor

35:02

that will come into play at

35:04

some point. Well, when, you know, when the

35:06

elections roll around, I don't know

35:08

what kind of reaction Europe will have. I'm

35:11

hoping that they will

35:13

continue also because the war is right

35:15

here in Europe, in the center of Europe.

35:17

And this is the direct effects. But

35:19

it's pretty scary stuff, you know, having

35:22

on the one hand where you have Russia that

35:24

seems to be growing, seems

35:26

to, because we don't really know. Okay.

35:29

Just like the Chinese who have the BRI,

35:31

then you go and look to see what actually gets

35:33

done. They have this big, huge scheme.

35:36

And then, you know, you look at the satellite photos

35:39

and they say, we've developed this port. It's

35:41

fantastic. And then you look at the satellite

35:44

and it's like a

35:44

little boat

35:46

on a beach. Okay. And

35:49

that's it.

35:49

All right. So, you know, we

35:51

have to sort of be careful with way, you

35:54

know, how much, what are they getting?

35:56

Is it Russia getting armaments that they need from

35:58

these countries? free flow of

36:01

money, free flow of other resources

36:04

that they need, what is it exactly? And Olga

36:06

knows all about this kind of thing. And

36:08

speaking of armaments and Netanyahu,

36:11

first of all, Netanyahu was very cozy

36:14

with Putin until Russia,

36:16

the past few

36:18

weeks, showed him where

36:20

their

36:20

loyalties lie, or

36:22

at least where their financials were. An Israeli

36:24

official who went

36:26

on to Russian TV and just told

36:29

them off for backing him up.

36:32

And then second of all, Israel,

36:35

with the knowledge of the Israeli government,

36:37

has been providing Russia

36:39

with technology and weapons to

36:41

kill Ukrainians.

36:43

I mean, hopefully now this will stop.

36:45

But this has been going on. Because

36:48

obviously Chinese

36:49

technology is not cutting

36:51

it.

36:52

And the technology in the Landsat

36:54

and the Orland drones and technology

36:57

is coming. I mean, besides the fact that it's coming

36:59

from the United States across Europe, or yet

37:01

third-party countries, Israel

37:03

has played a huge role

37:05

in looking the

37:06

other way as these things

37:09

make their way into weapons that are

37:11

massacring Ukrainians. So this

37:14

actually, with Russia, Emma dropped more

37:16

hopeful,

37:17

because Russia carries out their operations.

37:20

And they always use the same playbook. I swear to God,

37:22

every time I see something, it's like

37:25

literally you can envision

37:27

the same thing happening. I

37:30

can't even write what their next operations

37:32

will be because of how they really rarely

37:37

change tactics. I do,

37:39

Emma, drop more hopeful because as with

37:42

all Russian intelligence operations,

37:44

they not only are getting blowback

37:46

inside of Russia, which is going to be very interesting

37:49

to see what happens over the next

37:50

several months and how it weakens

37:54

Russia

37:54

domestically. But they're also

37:57

getting this divide from

37:59

the report.

37:59

Republicans who normally have stood loyal

38:02

to Russia are now even though

38:04

granted they're still spewing anti-Ukraine

38:08

Nonsense and against providing

38:10

aid which I think it's gonna happen

38:13

But Russia seems to lose this crowd

38:16

because now they have shifted

38:18

right

38:18

over and now they are You

38:21

know, I mean it's gonna be very hard for

38:23

them to reconcile being

38:25

loyal to Russia and at the same time

38:27

pushing for Israeli aid and Luckily

38:30

on the Senate side the

38:33

Republican senators are very

38:35

very adamant that they want Israeli

38:37

aid and Ukrainian aid sent together. So

38:39

I mean, we'll see how it plays out as

38:41

of now I'm not as much worried and

38:44

that's it. So with Russia, they always

38:46

carry out these operations But they

38:48

never fully think them through because

38:51

there's no one exact

38:53

response and same thing here

38:56

I worry about the US elections

38:58

and whatnot. But again, we're absorbing

39:00

this, you know from social media and We're

39:03

seeing this heated stuff right

39:06

now. We'll see what happens in

39:08

a year from now, you know, I mean it'll be more

39:11

Clear as we approach even next

39:13

spring of where US politics

39:15

they but I can tell you that Russia's number

39:18

one policy

39:18

not Putin and

39:21

That's where people need to stop solely

39:23

putting everything on Putin because this is

39:25

the Russian system and the Russian agencies

39:30

I call the Chaka system Their

39:32

number one goal will be to disrupt

39:35

every single European and US elections

39:37

and caused as much chaos

39:39

to stretch United States and

39:41

their allies thing and that's

39:44

it But even with that is my backfire

39:46

because I really want

39:47

to see and now with US

39:49

moving half of their resources

39:51

Into the Middle East again,

39:53

how

39:54

is Russia gonna be able to move weapons

39:56

back and forth?

39:57

I mean, what about Syrians?

39:59

Iranian proxies who

40:02

are hitting US forces, we

40:04

are hitting right back and we're going to see a lot

40:06

more of it. And these are all the same

40:09

facilities that are producing

40:11

or storing weapons are making

40:13

their way to

40:14

Ukraine also. So we'll

40:16

see how it goes. You know, with this,

40:18

I mean, it might end up biting

40:21

Russia in the ass as well. And you

40:23

know what, too, even you guys had mentioned,

40:25

right, Netanyahu and all of that, he

40:28

can also serve as a cautionary tale

40:30

to different leaders who

40:32

think that they can do business with

40:34

Russia. Look at what happens

40:37

when you cozy up to these kind

40:39

of people. What do they think that they're

40:41

actually going to get something from Russia and

40:44

that they're going to know have, let's

40:46

say, a relationship at par? Do

40:49

the Slovakians, okay, the seats will

40:51

really think this? Is it just because

40:53

that way he can make money and that's it? And

40:56

again, he'll weaken his state from within. This

40:58

is what happened in Italy.

40:59

This is exactly what happened in Italy for years

41:02

and years and years. I mean, we're

41:04

cautionary tales. People should be looking

41:06

how screwed up, okay, our countries

41:09

are. I'm talking about my country here

41:11

and I'm talking

41:12

about what's going on in Hungary and I'm

41:14

talking about what's going on and will go on

41:16

in Slovakia. All right. That's that was

41:18

my point. It wasn't so much. We

41:20

all know that Netanyahu was the

41:22

worst thing that could have happened to Israel. It

41:25

just

41:26

seemed like Trump. Trump would

41:28

absolutely coordinate with Russia to freaking

41:30

even kill several thousand Americans

41:33

if it served the purpose for him to gain

41:35

power or strengthen his power or whatever.

41:39

So I mean,

41:39

Netanyahu comes from the scene. He practically

41:42

did. He let all those Taliban

41:44

fighters go in Afghanistan, like 5,000. And

41:49

on top of that, he let his Russian friends

41:51

put a bounty on the heads of US

41:53

military in Afghanistan. Yeah, exactly.

41:56

So one thing someone in US

41:59

intelligence said to me.

41:59

once was that

42:02

the visa you mentioned, that visa policy

42:04

back in the 70s Olga, where

42:07

Russian, good old-fashioned, Moscow, anti-Semitism

42:10

said let's get rid of the Jews, let's

42:12

get them out of our country finally, and

42:14

let's sneak in some Trojan horses.

42:17

And it's very similar to the operation,

42:20

for instance, you know, using religion to entrench

42:25

Russian genocidal imperialist power.

42:27

A parallel would be how

42:30

the Russian Orthodox Church was allowed

42:32

to operate during the Soviet Union

42:34

because it was the KGB Church.

42:37

They would send these priests, there were actually

42:39

KGB agents, all over the world

42:42

on these goodwill missions, like the Western officials

42:44

would cozy up to them, and that was how they

42:47

got their foot in, you know, that they

42:49

collected intel that way. And that's also how they

42:51

spied on the people and kept tabs

42:54

on the Russian people domestically. And

42:56

so a parallel to that is the

42:58

Jackson-Barrack policy, where if you're Jewish,

43:01

you can go abroad, you can go to Israel,

43:03

you can go to the US, and by the way

43:05

we're sending our KGB agents

43:08

in this big group of people who are fleeing abroad.

43:11

And one person in intelligence told

43:13

me that because of that, Israel,

43:16

in his own words, he said

43:19

Israel got fucked. Israel

43:21

is so deeply fucked. And America.

43:23

And America. Well, think about that whole

43:25

policy rose with the found,

43:28

you know, with Fred Trump. I

43:30

know the policy. I came through that policy. You came

43:32

through

43:32

the policy. So the policy was a great

43:34

thing because it gave us you, and then it gave

43:37

us, it gave us. And

43:39

the Vindman brothers came through the policy.

43:42

There we go. So we're not trying to paint a broad brush.

43:44

We're not trying to say if you came with this

43:47

policy that makes you all, because that's

43:49

bad racism, right? No, but

43:51

the reality is that the Russians, their gold-fashioned

43:54

way of doing things took full advantage. And

43:57

one member of the IC said

43:59

that... Israel got deeply compromised

44:01

by that and in the decades following

44:04

you have Netanyahu

44:06

who full-on campaigns with a giant

44:09

billboard shaking hands with Putin

44:11

and that helps him stay in power So

44:14

do you think you know obviously like Israel's

44:17

just like in the US like our problems are homegrown

44:20

Trump did not invent Jim

44:22

Crow Putin did not invent Jim Crow

44:24

like we have our own homegrown problems

44:27

that Russia then exploits We've got our

44:29

gasoline. We've got our fires and then Russia

44:31

just pours more gasoline on it the same dynamic

44:34

in Israel So Netanyahu and

44:36

his whole coal it far right genocidal

44:38

coalition That's homegrown, but then

44:40

Russia comes in and amplifies it

44:43

and and they work together. They do their deals

44:45

They send their you know, Netanyahu

44:48

green lights technology to go to Russia

44:50

that can then slaughter Ukrainians He

44:52

sits on the sidelines as Ukraine's

44:54

first Jewish president the only Jewish had

44:57

a state outside of Israel is begging him begging

44:59

him for meaningful support and even

45:02

even offering to come over and do

45:04

you know all sorts of Appearances

45:06

in Israel at the start of the war to try to build

45:09

support among Israelis and Netanyahu You

45:12

really try to shut that down. And so how

45:14

much do you think that? Netanyahu

45:17

himself is deeply Infiltrated

45:20

by all this like do you think it is one

45:22

of the first people after the Hamas attack? That

45:24

Netanyahu spoke to you was Putin. How

45:27

much do you think that Putin was said to Netanyahu?

45:30

Let this happen to your second

45:32

question. I personally don't think he said

45:35

let this happen because

45:36

Russian intelligence operations

45:39

are always compartmentalized

45:42

even to the point where the same team Doesn't

45:45

even have the whole operation at

45:47

play because in the case someone

45:49

gets captured They are me, you

45:52

know don't want everyone having the full

45:54

plot So if they send five people to

45:56

assassinate someone, you know using

45:58

novatok They'll tell one

46:01

person here you're carrying this, they don't know

46:03

what it is, you're going to put it on the door handle.

46:06

They tell someone else, you know, this

46:08

is what you're going to do in order to live in

46:11

the case

46:11

one of them do get captured and it can

46:13

only reveal the whole plot.

46:14

So I don't think so when

46:17

it comes to directly and direct coordination.

46:20

However, I do think Netanyahu

46:21

has been so focused on

46:23

overthrowing the Supreme Court trying to

46:26

erase his, you know,

46:28

corruption investigations

46:30

against him and to seize power

46:33

permanently, frankly, because I think he

46:36

doesn't have any intentions of

46:37

leaving that he was so

46:39

consumed with those issues

46:42

that he just overlooked

46:44

any kind of intelligence or just

46:46

we didn't want to be bothered with any

46:48

intelligence that came to him

46:50

indicating that something is happening.

46:53

That's one. Now, going back to what you

46:55

touched

46:55

on in the Soviet Union. So we came

46:57

through the Jackson-Vendick Amendment through

47:00

Italy. I was born in Rome and

47:03

the way

47:04

my parents had a choice, you

47:07

know, from Rome. My

47:10

parents had a choice, Israel

47:13

or United States. Thank you God they picked

47:15

United States. This is the best country in the world.

47:18

But with that weave

47:20

that we all traveled, everyone in the late

47:23

70s went the same exact way, criminals

47:25

and good people like us, they

47:27

went the same way and this is how they went.

47:30

A lot of people chose Israel, a

47:32

lot of people chose America. Then you

47:34

had a lot of swapping around where people from

47:36

Israel decide to come to the U.S. and

47:39

whatnot. Kalugin, again, who was head of counterintelligence,

47:43

had said that they

47:45

did not only did Russia while

47:47

the Soviet Union empty out their gulags

47:50

and sent a

47:52

lot of the worst

47:53

criminals here. And that's why you saw the

47:56

natural thing that happened

47:58

as soon as these.

47:59

Soviet's arrived here was

48:02

the formation of the Russian

48:04

organized claim. So

48:06

not only did they send

48:08

the words but they also slipped in a lot

48:10

of size.

48:11

And with that they let them

48:13

assimilate and you know

48:15

say they arrived in the late 70s they

48:18

let them assimilate, learn the language, get

48:20

the job,

48:20

figure out how America works, this,

48:22

that and that and then they would approach

48:24

them. On Brighton Beach here

48:26

right in our lovely New York across

48:29

the US they would approach them and remind

48:31

them like hey you know you

48:34

can you have loyalties to the

48:36

motherland and you have to come work for us.

48:39

Some people did. Kalugan said the success

48:41

rate wasn't late.

48:43

Some people said yes and we

48:45

started reporting specifically

48:48

on vulnerabilities inside of the United

48:50

States. Where are the wedge issues? I mean

48:53

there was a whole host of factors

48:55

that these people were useful. How the financial

48:58

system works. Hence you

49:00

saw you know the US financial system

49:02

turn into like like the

49:05

top mechanism for

49:07

all the laundering of Russian money out of the

49:09

Soviet Union and then out of

49:11

Russia and whatnot later

49:13

on. And

49:14

then you have people who said no and

49:16

then obviously they

49:17

didn't portray every single person

49:19

because there was just a vast amount of

49:21

people. But they did monitor them

49:23

and oh this one looks like he's an accountant

49:26

and he's going to work for this firm. We

49:28

might need

49:29

information from you know

49:30

this field and where this one

49:32

is you know

49:33

just became a banker and he's

49:35

going to work there. We want information in that

49:38

field and whatnot. So your IC

49:40

contact is very right and it's

49:43

extremely frustrating because

49:45

at the same time we had the FBI here and

49:48

they were completely oblivious

49:50

to what was happening specifically

49:53

in the 80s and they

49:54

allowed the you know they viewed Russian

49:57

organized crime as the five-family.

49:59

of New York, the Italian mafia families,

50:02

viewing it as, you know,

50:05

all these like operations as

50:07

like incidents versus

50:10

understanding that with the Russian

50:13

organized crime, that they were

50:15

an arm of Russian intelligence and

50:17

that at that point KGB later on,

50:20

FSB

50:20

and SBR and that

50:22

whatever they were doing here at the same

50:24

time, they were

50:25

collecting information back.

50:27

So if they had a

50:29

shady deal, like say with Trump,

50:31

where,

50:32

you know, what's his name? David, um,

50:35

oh my God, well, what is his name? It'll

50:37

come to me. David, whatever,

50:39

goes in hands from $5 million

50:41

to buy six apartments

50:44

in 1984 that and

50:46

Trump overlooks everything and says, Oh,

50:48

cash, a suitcase, a cash, wonderful.

50:51

They see this as a one, a potential

50:53

person who has no morals, a

50:56

moral compass and that he will for

50:58

money do

50:58

anything to, they will report these

51:00

dealings right back to the Russian

51:03

security services. And that's

51:05

how you saw the first

51:07

infiltration. I mean, there were many

51:09

different points because at the same time,

51:11

yeah, Conan, who

51:12

runs around, you know,

51:15

Europe with his NGOs and

51:17

propping

51:18

up the far right in the eighties,

51:20

late eighties, he was in this

51:23

KGB agent to lead his

51:25

department specifically morphed into

51:27

SBR later on, but

51:29

he was a KGB agent in the Soviet

51:32

mission to you in specifically

51:35

collecting and trying to steal

51:37

American technology and

51:39

recruit people who work anything

51:42

with nuclear, with military,

51:44

with anything with military

51:46

tech.

51:47

And then from there, you see, he goes back

51:50

to the

51:51

Soviet Union and you see quite

51:53

a few of these. They're one of his colleagues

51:56

who worked here in the library.

51:57

She,

51:59

went back and opened up also

52:02

a center in, what

52:04

was it, in France, democracy

52:07

of cooperation or something. Same

52:09

thing. I mean, running, capturing

52:12

politicians, capturing foreign

52:15

policymakers, capturing former

52:17

defense officials under the

52:19

guise of an NPO. So I mean,

52:21

you see how these operations continue

52:25

and they obviously shift around

52:27

and sometimes they go dormant and whatever,

52:30

but it's a continuation of

52:31

one long

52:33

Soviet operation to

52:35

overthrow the United States and to

52:37

destroy the United States and

52:40

to end democracy globally.

52:42

And that is why the Russian

52:45

assets, the Russian disinformation machines

52:47

inside the Congress keep

52:50

multiplying. It used to just be

52:52

Dana Rorbacher, a big old weirdo

52:55

out of Orange County.

52:56

We were like Putin's groupie

52:58

over there.

52:58

Now it's an entire Kremlin

53:01

caucus led by Matt Gaetz that

53:03

just overthrew McCarthy

53:06

and installed their Trump

53:08

proxy to be third in line to the White

53:10

House. It's a crisis point and they're

53:12

getting more and more successful because they

53:15

take advantage of our liberties, obviously,

53:17

and they take advantage of just how

53:20

they flood the zone with shit, both in

53:22

terms of the disinformation across

53:25

the media sphere. And that's all

53:27

amplified by right wing media,

53:29

Fox News all the way down. And

53:31

then they flood the zone with shit when it comes

53:33

to all of their corruption and money laundering that

53:35

the DOJ and the FBI

53:38

can't keep up with all of it. I've spoken

53:40

with FBI and

53:42

DOJ past and present and

53:44

they're just like, it's just constant. It's

53:46

just constant. This is what a federal

53:48

prosecutor says. The more hits you take,

53:51

the more hits you land. And that is the

53:53

Russian and Bannon strategy. You

53:55

flood the zone with shit. And

53:57

I want to point out like there is a historical president.

54:00

here in terms of this new Cold

54:02

War that we're in, democracy versus autocracy,

54:05

and Ukraine being in a

54:07

crucial front line of that, obviously. We

54:10

were here before. The Cold War had

54:12

hot wars, obviously, Korea,

54:15

Vietnam, but also across Africa.

54:18

There were several African nations that had

54:20

like planes, bombers in the air, and

54:23

it was a major hot war over decades

54:25

in Africa. And if you go to Kiev,

54:27

you meet veterans from South Africa

54:29

and other countries, veterans of this war,

54:32

who will tell you so many stories of

54:34

fighting agents from Ukraine and Russia

54:36

and elsewhere. Now they're living there, because

54:38

they feel some sort of war bond

54:41

with Ukrainians and so on. So

54:44

we've been here before. We're here now.

54:46

Where do you think ... So we have

54:48

this monumental year in human history.

54:51

We're a year away from the 2024 presidential

54:53

election. Where do you see things

54:56

going? Do you see this regional war in

54:58

Israel and Hamas, these two genocidal

55:00

forces with these civilians, poor

55:03

civilians on both sides, caught in the middle of

55:05

these genocidal forces, both aligned

55:07

with Russia? It's an extraordinary

55:10

crisis. Do you see that going

55:12

into a regional war? How do you see it tipping

55:14

the scales in the election?

55:17

I personally think that it has

55:19

all the potential to skyrocket

55:21

into a regional war. You

55:23

have Iran, who's really, really pushing

55:25

the strings. On the other hand, you

55:27

have Jordan and Saudi Arabia, who are

55:30

actually very, very worried. How

55:32

much influence they have.

55:33

I'm not sure, because this

55:35

has been sent

55:36

off. But I

55:39

don't know how much effect it will have

55:41

on elections, because I mean, again,

55:43

Americans are going to hear, oh, look, another

55:46

war, another war Americans are involved

55:48

in. I think that the Biden

55:50

policy is going to be to

55:53

stand there to protect U.S.

55:55

interest. People are spinning

55:57

the Bidens and ships to. support

56:00

Israel and you know whatever. He

56:03

sends ships because we have troops in

56:06

Saudi Arabia and in

56:07

Jordan and in Syria that

56:09

are under attack in Iraq. I

56:11

mean over the past week you've had

56:14

almost close to two, close to

56:16

maybe even three dozen

56:18

injuries among American

56:20

military personnel

56:23

from

56:24

attacks that

56:26

are being carried out by the Houthis

56:28

in Yemen, by

56:30

Iranian proxy groups in Syria

56:33

and of course so of course he's gonna send

56:35

so I'm not sure if it's really gonna have

56:37

an effect. I will say that

56:40

Americans really need to

56:42

wake up because this election

56:44

is important and that several elections are

56:46

gonna be extremely important until

56:49

we get the extremists out of Congress and

56:51

out of government. When we see that

56:53

we don't have 17 mad gates and Marjorie

56:56

Taylor Greene

56:58

running around and shutting down Congress

57:00

for

57:00

three weeks,

57:01

when we get to a point of

57:04

that then you can

57:05

kind of take a breather and say okay I think

57:07

we've saved democracy

57:08

and it is extremely

57:11

troubling seeing the split among the Democrats

57:13

because for them to say

57:16

I'm not gonna vote for Biden means that they

57:18

will either vote for

57:20

Trump or give the vote to Trump

57:23

and that means Trump has

57:25

very clearly not only came out

57:27

and said he supports Hezbollah

57:29

but he also said he's

57:31

going to nuke

57:32

Palestine

57:34

and just make sure in one clean

57:36

sweep that all Palestinians

57:39

are erased. So I think you

57:41

have one extremely fringe lunatic

57:44

who is telling us

57:47

we don't even have to guess what he's gonna do he

57:49

is telling us I'm going to weaponize

57:51

Department of Justice I'm going to arrest

57:54

all my opponents I'm going to arrest

57:56

every prosecutor who has looked

57:59

into me every

57:59

prosecutor who has filed charges

58:02

against me, I'm

58:03

going to strip the FBI and basically,

58:06

you know, shut down the FBI and

58:08

this and that. And then on

58:10

the global stage, I am going to

58:12

let Ukraine be handed to

58:14

Russia, which is not going

58:17

to satisfy Russia's appetite because

58:19

then next is

58:19

going to be Moldova, Estonia,

58:23

Lithuania, and guess

58:24

what? American boots will be

58:26

on the ground. Right now, Ukrainians are shedding

58:29

their blood to make sure

58:31

Europe is secure. And if Ukraine

58:34

falls, American boots will be

58:36

on the ground. This is the whole point of NATO

58:38

and Trump thinks and is again,

58:41

screeching that he's going to take you outside

58:43

of NATO. Guess what? It's

58:45

not very simple to do that. And

58:47

in Congress, he won't be able to maneuver it.

58:50

So in the worst case, you're going

58:52

to have one of the most important

58:54

NATO members working to

58:56

sabotage all NATO

58:59

operations and to keep Europe secure.

59:01

And then he's going to obviously

59:03

use to his policy, you know, why should

59:05

we even have Palestinian just

59:08

nuke them all? So I mean, frankly,

59:11

you don't want to vote for Biden. This is what

59:13

you're going to get. And not to mention that

59:15

Trump already said that on day one, he's putting

59:17

his Muslim ban and banning

59:18

any Muslim coming into this

59:20

country. So I mean, if this is the whole

59:23

person, if you want, knock

59:24

yourself out. I'm moving to Ukraine.

59:26

I just came back from Ukraine.

59:29

You have the bedroom here downstairs.

59:33

You can come here downstairs. I came back

59:35

from Ukraine

59:37

and it was so good

59:39

and Kiev is so pretty. And I'm like, you know,

59:41

what if this insanity continues,

59:44

you know, in US

59:45

and we don't correct our wrongs

59:47

and get on the right path?

59:48

Can I just say that from the European

59:51

point of view, even thinking,

59:53

okay, of putting Trump

59:55

back in for us, it

59:57

would be the end, the end of NATO.

1:00:00

because let's remember that it was the Biden

1:00:02

administration that had managed through

1:00:05

a lot of, you know, talking with allied

1:00:08

partners and strengthening those

1:00:10

ties to make sure that

1:00:12

NATO was on board and that they would

1:00:14

wake up, okay, because they were all slumbering.

1:00:17

Alright, the same with the EU. Let's remember

1:00:19

that Scholz told,

1:00:21

okay, Zelensky, oh

1:00:23

well, you know, why don't you just

1:00:26

give up? You're gonna lose anyway. Let's

1:00:28

remember that, okay, because

1:00:31

it's

1:00:32

really the chancellor of Germany,

1:00:34

the strongest economic power

1:00:36

in Europe

1:00:37

told Zelensky to fold. Now

1:00:40

he has changed, okay,

1:00:42

at least on the surface. They're

1:00:44

giving lots of weapons, okay, and lots

1:00:47

of aid, but, okay,

1:00:49

I mean, what is it? These got the business community,

1:00:52

the industrialists, who are down his neck,

1:00:54

every, probably calling them every day saying, Scholz

1:00:57

see, no, the gates, alright,

1:00:59

that's what he's saying, alright, that's what's going on.

1:01:02

So it's really important. I

1:01:04

can't interfere, I can't tell you guys how to vote,

1:01:07

but from the European point of view,

1:01:09

it was thanks to the Biden administration that

1:01:12

we finally saw the EU stand up morally,

1:01:15

right? Let's remember the horrible stand

1:01:17

that they

1:01:17

took, right, when Crimea

1:01:20

was occupied by the Russians, were

1:01:22

Merkel and Hollande, okay,

1:01:25

or just saying, oh, sorry, or whoever

1:01:27

it was, Sarkozy, whoever it was at that time,

1:01:30

just said, oh,

1:01:31

on the left, okay, Francois

1:01:34

is telling them, oh, come on, you know, come

1:01:36

to the table, so and so, we need that nice Russian

1:01:38

gas, okay, this is what we're talking about.

1:01:41

At least now, there is some

1:01:43

discussion on a moral standpoint,

1:01:45

seeing that this is, this is what the

1:01:48

Russians are really like, and this is what

1:01:50

can happen to you. Look at Crimea,

1:01:52

look what's going on with their population inside.

1:01:55

Kids having to do camps, Russian

1:01:57

camps,

1:01:58

these are war crimes.

1:01:59

And Olga knows it better than I do because

1:02:02

you've been talking to people in Ukraine for months.

1:02:05

That's been happening since 2014. Exactly. Everyone

1:02:07

was shoving Russian

1:02:09

money through their wallets and

1:02:12

ignoring the fact of what was happening.

1:02:14

I mean, look, I just came back from the Crimea

1:02:16

platform, okay, that know

1:02:19

the form itself. And it's

1:02:21

so important that we keep in mind

1:02:24

the focus, the real things that

1:02:26

we need to focus on. That's what I wanted to say.

1:02:29

It's extremely important for European

1:02:31

security, this kind of thing. And

1:02:34

my last

1:02:34

comment, look, Biden has

1:02:36

been good with Ukraine. And I

1:02:38

do agree

1:02:39

and I sympathize with the Middle

1:02:41

Eastern community because he has been

1:02:43

good with Ukraine. I think

1:02:45

more so for the fact that it is a European

1:02:49

country. And if we have a European

1:02:51

war, World War III break out,

1:02:54

because we did look the other

1:02:56

way across Europe, it would

1:02:58

be a bad policy.

1:02:59

But with everything,

1:03:02

I'm not going to be fake. Biden's

1:03:05

Middle Eastern policy has been abysmal,

1:03:08

abysmal. He has completely

1:03:10

forgot that Syrians exist. He

1:03:12

has provided no support for Syrians

1:03:15

and whatnot. I have a lot

1:03:17

of criticism for their Middle Eastern

1:03:19

policy over the past four years.

1:03:21

But with that, it would millions of people

1:03:23

in Gaza right now. Yeah. And

1:03:26

I agree. But with that

1:03:28

said, I would, well, still

1:03:30

vote for Biden because

1:03:33

if I do not vote for Biden, then

1:03:35

I will have a Trump who will probably

1:03:37

have people like me arrested or forced

1:03:39

to leave the United States

1:03:42

to silence

1:03:42

us because he's not going

1:03:45

to allow any criticism the second

1:03:47

time around. And his policies

1:03:49

would be so devastating to

1:03:52

every cause, to Ukrainian

1:03:55

cause, to the Middle Eastern

1:03:57

cause, to everyone. It would

1:03:59

be devastating.

1:03:59

because this is an outright

1:04:02

con man fascist racist

1:04:05

populist sub

1:04:08

who

1:04:09

only wants to, you know,

1:04:11

see how much he can steal from America

1:04:14

and arrest anyone who gets in

1:04:16

his way, which is basically a

1:04:18

carbon copy of Putin. So that's

1:04:21

why I feel regardless of

1:04:23

my, at least with the Biden administration,

1:04:25

you can go

1:04:27

and say, you know what, your policies

1:04:28

are abysmal and you can

1:04:30

continue to put pressure and no one is going

1:04:32

to come in to arrest you for putting that pressure.

1:04:35

Try that with the Trump administration with Trump 2.0,

1:04:38

God forbid. I mean, it's not even administration,

1:04:41

Trump regime. You're going to tell

1:04:43

them your policies are abysmal

1:04:45

and they'll come and have you arrested on some

1:04:47

Trump charges. So that's

1:04:49

why I think people really need to get their

1:04:52

thing together. And you know what, instead

1:04:54

of fueling this anger and all these

1:04:56

campaigns, I'm now voting for

1:04:58

Biden. Go and organize and

1:05:01

force to sit down to speak with Biden

1:05:03

officials with the NSC

1:05:06

and with state department officials who

1:05:08

say, you know what, we support you,

1:05:10

but not this. And we want you

1:05:13

to do this. We don't want

1:05:14

you to overlook the carpet bombing

1:05:17

of neighborhoods inside of Gaza.

1:05:19

We want the United States to have

1:05:21

this position across the whole

1:05:23

globe, whether it's in Ukraine,

1:05:26

whether it's in Syria, whether it's in Gaza,

1:05:28

wherever it is, if you're carpet bombing

1:05:30

indiscriminately buildings where

1:05:32

you know there are women and children,

1:05:34

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1:05:36

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1:05:37

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1:05:39

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1:05:42

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