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with stock. Hey,

1:07

everyone. Hey, bro. Hanging in there. This

1:09

week on the show, we've got a very special episode

1:11

with Maya arson crimew you.

1:13

You may know Maya as beast Wiss Hacker

1:16

who recently made headlines for leaking the

1:18

no fly list. In this

1:20

episode, Maia and Aussie and I

1:22

talk about why there are so many

1:24

cat girl hackers and why Maia is

1:26

so public about attacking exploits? I

1:29

absolutely do not recommend anyone else

1:31

students. It's fucking stupid and it will get

1:33

you in trouble. We also talk

1:35

about it, it's pronounced, and it's she pronounced,

1:38

and how maia accidentally started

1:40

Twitter discourse by simply identifying

1:43

as a by lesbian.

1:45

Like, the fact that they were fine with me being

1:47

and and it she kit and fury

1:49

and and hacking the US

1:51

government, but they are in fine with

1:53

me calling myself a bail s bin. As

1:55

you can imagine, this is not an episode

1:57

that we had on our original production calendar.

2:00

About a week ago, I tweeted at Maia gender

2:03

reveal, IMO, and now here

2:05

we are. Because we had to make this episode

2:07

very quickly. We are skipping our this week

2:09

and gender segment this week and going more or less

2:11

straight to the interview. But just real real quick

2:13

before that, Last reminder, our

2:15

live show is this Wednesday. February first,

2:17

it's at the bell house in Brooklyn. It is going

2:20

to be me, Aussie, Maddie

2:22

Lofanski, AC DoOMLOW, Sabrina

2:24

Embler, and like three hundred hot

2:26

queer people. We will have a podcast

2:28

version available in a few weeks, but course,

2:30

that will be missing on some fun IRL

2:32

elements, so we do hope to see you

2:34

at the bell house in two days.

2:36

Don't miss it. Maia

2:44

Crimew is a twenty three year old hacktivus

2:47

Kitten, previously indicted by the Department

2:49

of Justice, who loves doing silly

2:51

shenanigans. It is openly

2:53

and loudly queer and anarchist and

2:55

tries to fight for a better future while having

2:57

fun with it or as it likes to say,

3:00

get a little silly with it. Colon three

3:03

emoticon.

3:15

Well, the way we always start the show is by

3:18

asking in terms of gender, how do you

3:20

crimew yourself? That's a

3:22

difficult question. I feel like that changes

3:24

a lot. I I feel like Kenton

3:26

is like a big part of my gender

3:28

and, like, being a girl,

3:30

but in in, like, a certain way and not in

3:32

a woman way, if that makes

3:34

sense. I I feel like the answer

3:36

to any question about gender is just the

3:38

gender in itself. Mhmm. Well,

3:41

my understanding is that you're previously, at

3:43

some point, are they them and are now

3:45

in -- Yeah. -- and it's she. And I understand

3:47

if this is, like, not a thing that you can articulate,

3:50

but I am really curious

3:51

the, like, they to it change.

3:54

I'm not sure. I feel like there were some, like, bits

3:56

in between that happened. But I don't remember

3:58

them. I'm very bad at remembering my own life.

4:01

I have, like, ADHD and depression

4:03

and PTSD. I I don't know what

4:05

I'm literally at a point where sometimes when

4:07

I get introduced, I have, like, my Vicky PDR

4:09

article open to answer questions about

4:11

myself. I don't know what's going on

4:13

at maia life and even less so now than

4:15

ever before. But

4:18

I feel like part of why I

4:20

went by Damien for a long while is because

4:22

I wasn't sure I was like allowed

4:24

to be a girl. Like, just those questions you

4:26

start to ask yourself when you start to realize

4:28

that there's, like, a gender happening. I

4:31

feel like that's probably a common

4:33

experience. I I feel like I

4:35

had a brief, like, just she her face,

4:37

then I had, like, any old pronoun

4:39

space, which new pronouns are based. I just

4:41

it isn't my maia anymore. I'm just,

4:43

like, very it it's brain at this

4:45

point. And this she

4:47

is just there as, like, spice to make it

4:49

more gurnly. If

4:53

that maia

4:54

Yeah. So

4:57

I promise we will get to your work in

4:59

just a second, but I realized you

5:01

live in Switzerland and I have no idea

5:03

what like the social political climate is for

5:05

trans people in Switzerland. Ireland.

5:07

It's interesting. I

5:10

I'm not very informed with a lot of things I'm

5:12

gonna be real with you. I live on the Internet.

5:14

But, like, we have the only thing that we

5:16

somehow actually have self ideables --

5:18

Okay. -- passed last year. And, like,

5:20

that's why I am legally called Myarsen,

5:22

which is coolest help. It's

5:25

not the worst. It's currently

5:27

still better in Germany, which already

5:29

has like a growing turf problem. So

5:31

churn is still somewhat okay,

5:34

but it's definitely like, the climate is

5:36

getting worse everywhere. It's just

5:38

more of a debate and I don't know.

5:40

The thing I'm just scared about is I am, like,

5:42

definitely the most

5:44

public transversion in Switzerland at

5:46

this point.

5:46

Really. I am

5:47

pretty sure. Yeah. So

5:50

that's gonna be interesting if

5:52

this becomes more of a debate. Yeah. The

5:54

media is already weird about me. And,

5:56

like, non gender wise just because

5:58

of how edgy I

6:00

am. Yeah. There's

6:00

something really beautiful about the most famous

6:03

trans person in the country being named Maia,

6:05

our sense.

6:05

So, you know,

6:06

incredible representation. That's the

6:09

thing. Like, a lot of Swiss media is refusing

6:11

to use my new chosen name. They just use my

6:13

old chosen name, which not gonna bring up for

6:15

obvious reasons. Now that I have a problem

6:17

with it being mentioned, it's fine. It's mentioned in

6:19

a lot of English media as well as, like, used

6:21

to go by this name and it was popular under

6:23

this name. Before. But, like,

6:25

social media is just doing it the other way

6:27

around. There is just using my old name and being,

6:29

like, uses maia and crime as a student,

6:31

which is just not how this works. That is

6:33

literally my legal name at this point.

6:35

But we are fighting, like, there are

6:37

some Swiss journalists who are, like, on my side,

6:39

and we are kind of fighting together

6:41

me to be properly interested by But

6:44

it's it's so annoying that I even have to fight

6:46

this fight. And I only have this in Switzerland.

6:48

Like, that's the funny thing. Even fucking

6:50

the daily like, they completely fucked

6:52

up their article on

6:53

me, but they at least get my name right.

6:55

Yeah. It's so wild when people choose

6:57

being transphobic over getting facts correct.

7:00

Yeah. I really don't get it. The thing is

7:02

what this was part of it

7:04

is transphobia slash ignorance.

7:06

Another part of it is such that, like, some

7:08

hazardous media is ten years behind on

7:10

everything. And I feel like part of it isn't

7:12

even, like, on purpose. It's just that they don't

7:14

know better or don't know how to do journalism

7:16

in the year of the Lord twenty twenty three

7:19

where everything is on the

7:20

Internet. But yeah. It it's

7:22

weird. It's fucked up like everywhere else.

7:25

Yeah. So you're

7:27

you're famously activists. We

7:29

see media depictions of hackers. It's

7:31

usually like beep poopy poopy poopy poopy

7:33

I'm in. But I feel like every

7:35

time that you do

7:37

an interview about

7:38

any, like, big hack you've done, you're always

7:40

like, this took no technical

7:42

skill or effort, which is,

7:43

like, very wild if it

7:46

is true. So I just wanted to ask, like, when

7:48

we say hacking, like,

7:48

literally, what do we mean by that? Like, what does

7:51

that look like for you? That's a very,

7:53

like, controversial question anyway. I feel

7:55

like people define hacking very differently

7:57

depending on how gatekeeping they wanna be. It's

7:59

just like with everything else. But, like,

8:01

basically, hacking to me is just like any

8:03

kind of, like, circumvention of technical

8:05

things or finding creative ways to solve

8:08

technical problems is hacking. The word

8:10

life hack explains really well what hacking

8:12

it. Not that, like, half the life hacks currently

8:14

are really life hacks anymore. But, like,

8:16

just the idea of finding an unusual

8:18

solution to a problem that might be

8:20

easier than, like, the conventional way

8:22

or faster. Than in the

8:24

technical sense. Yeah. It can be kinda

8:26

anything. Specifically, what I mean

8:28

by hacking is obviously, yeah, like accessing

8:31

things. I shouldn't getting into

8:33

company networks. And I just mostly

8:35

do low hanging fruit stuff that

8:37

is technically easy, at least relatively.

8:39

Because I I'm just lazy. I'm

8:42

I'm like, if I can get the big effects

8:44

I do this way, why should

8:46

I do anything else? And no one

8:48

else seems to be doing what I'm

8:50

doing. So I I don't see why I

8:52

should do anything very complicated.

8:54

Yeah. Absolutely. If it's just gonna be there,

8:57

why not? You were

8:59

most recently in the news for leaking

9:01

the profiler, but that is not

9:03

the first time you have been in the news for a

9:05

major hack. And I was wondering if you could

9:07

talk to us for people who haven't

9:09

been following you, reading your

9:11

Wikipedia page. Can you talk us through

9:13

your history and what your, like, goals

9:15

or philosophy is

9:16

generally? I can't really talk about a

9:18

lot of the history. I can mention

9:21

specifically VERTATA, which is where

9:23

I hacked a surveillance camera company

9:25

in the US, like a cloud based

9:27

surveillance company heater is used by a lot

9:29

of corporations and prisons and

9:31

psychiatrists. And I had

9:33

access to one hundred and fifty thousand

9:35

surveillance cameras. The news

9:37

broke via Bloomberg, and that

9:39

was, like, a week before I got

9:41

invited by the US government and got

9:43

raided by his Swiss police.

9:45

Not directly related to Ricardo, but

9:47

that probably did speed things up.

9:50

Because I was suddenly the

9:52

big news

9:53

Yeah. Maia I'm the big news

9:55

again.

9:55

Yeah. Is there, like, a uniting

9:58

Golar philosophy for, like, what you

10:00

choose to do? I mean, I'm an

10:02

analyst. So, like, at the end of the day,

10:04

my goal is to topple the

10:06

system and to overthrow capitalism. But,

10:08

like, obviously, that's not a realistic goal

10:11

for, like, one hack or something or for me

10:13

alone. Like, anyways, I'm not gonna do aneurysm

10:15

alone. That is, like, that

10:18

would be the biggest misunderstanding of

10:20

aneurysm. Anyone has ever and there are a

10:22

lot of those. But,

10:25

like, yeah, I'm mostly focused on, like,

10:27

freedom of information and with

10:29

all the, like, really big things I've done

10:31

also on, like, surveillance that surveillance

10:33

capitalism or state surveillance in the

10:35

case of a TSA watch list. And

10:37

with freedom of information, I mean kind

10:39

of anything just like information should be

10:41

free. I am against intellectual

10:43

property basically as a whole concept, and

10:45

I could spend hours talking about that. I'm

10:47

kinda tired of talking about it because people

10:49

always misunderstand me as hating

10:51

artists, but when I

10:53

say that I am, like, fundamentally against

10:55

the idea of copyright law, which then I

10:57

always get the weirdest offensive of, yeah,

10:59

Disney uses this against Artis, but

11:01

also want to come copyright law to protect

11:03

my art. But, like, that that's

11:05

not really how that works. Your

11:07

art gets stolen under the current

11:09

copyright. Low.

11:10

Yeah. Exactly. Like like, that's the thing. Like, it

11:12

you do not actually have recourse

11:14

under any copyright law unless you're a

11:16

big corporation. And if big corporation, it

11:18

doesn't really matter if you actually have to

11:20

copyright for something. You just need

11:22

lawyers. Yes. It already doesn't

11:24

work. And everyday funds of,

11:26

like, maia electrical property as a

11:28

concept hinges on the current system

11:30

breaking, which it doesn't. Especially if

11:32

you consider that, like, a lot

11:34

of the arguments kinda hinge on the fact that

11:36

outside of the US nothing exists,

11:38

which is is my favorite thing

11:40

about online political discourse.

11:43

It's First of all, people assume everything is

11:45

always American. And then if you bring up

11:47

that you're not American, people tell you to shut

11:49

up because, like, you're not involved in it.

11:51

Like, no. This is just the general

11:53

political debate, especially considering

11:55

most US law affects the whole

11:57

world because world police --

11:59

Mhmm. I I don't know. We

12:01

don't need more copyright laws. That's

12:03

not gonna solve any

12:04

problem. Totally. Well,

12:07

thinking about information act

12:09

success. I wanted to ask about

12:11

you wrote this blog post a while

12:14

ago about the difference

12:16

between black cat packers and white hat

12:18

packers and how the distinction is

12:20

kind of like not as binary as

12:22

people make it out to be. And

12:24

I know you've also said previously that

12:26

you're not a white hot hacker, so

12:28

I just wanted to ask if you could talk

12:30

more about that distinct and then what it means to

12:32

you.

12:33

Right. It always starts with a problem

12:35

that we're trying to define something

12:37

that it it's like actions based

12:39

on the a thing of good or bad. Like,

12:41

that already fundamentally doesn't

12:43

work because depending on which side of a

12:45

conflict you're on, the words are gonna be, like,

12:47

swapped out for you. If you break for the

12:49

Russian government hacking the US,

12:51

you are from your point of view

12:53

at White Hat. You are doing the good

12:56

thing for the system. But

12:58

from the US, that that is obviously a black

13:00

app because, like, they're trying to do bad stuff

13:02

to us. That doesn't make sense. And

13:04

then when you consider, like, where all the researchers

13:06

said that, like, decide who is, like,

13:08

a black hat or a white hat or who gets

13:10

accused of being an an there

13:12

is this interesting thing. Like, there is a

13:14

categorization of, like, any big enough

13:16

cyber threat as an advanced persistent

13:18

strap, which sounds really fucking

13:20

cool. Being called an advanced

13:22

persistent strap, like there is nothing cooler

13:24

than that, And there's, like, lists of them, and

13:26

they all have numbers and, like, code names,

13:28

and the code names are I feel like

13:30

it's there's something vaguely, you're xenophobic

13:32

about fact depending on which country

13:34

you're from, you're assigned a different animal and

13:36

there's, like, the the bears for

13:38

Russia and what cactus for China.

13:42

It it it's giving, like, weird

13:44

vibes. But the funny thing is there

13:46

are no US IPTs officially.

13:48

They're not. Like, according to

13:50

all known public research,

13:52

the US doesn't do any

13:55

cyber things, actually. It. The the

13:57

cyberpunk is so extremely

13:59

western. It's so incredible

14:01

that, like, this whole value system around

14:03

who's bad or good is entirely

14:05

dependent on, like, the US government

14:07

things and one US defense

14:09

contractors thing. And I found it

14:11

incredible how, like, an entire industry

14:13

worldwide is just taking up

14:15

that framing. And then there's also,

14:17

like, the fake idea of some sort of

14:19

common morality. You you

14:21

can be a white hammer work for the pentagon. And

14:23

in my eyes, you are, like, the

14:25

worst person ever. But, like, you

14:27

are doing good and you are protecting

14:30

things. So you're a white hat. Right?

14:32

So if I have to give myself

14:34

a name on this, like, black hat to white hat

14:36

scale, I'm somewhere I I'm like a gray hat, which

14:38

is a way that exists, and it's just

14:41

like yeah, the kind of thing I do

14:43

where you'd have a strong moral compass

14:45

and act based on that and not whether or

14:47

not corporations think what you're doing

14:49

is good. And I'm a it's not a

14:51

classification. It really makes sense. Anything

14:53

else is kind of the coverage way

14:54

out. Yeah. I mean, I

14:56

think that I guess, I don't actually know this to

14:58

be true, but it I thought the black hat and white

15:00

hat came

15:00

from, like, western films. There

15:03

it was, like Yeah. There's a way to make

15:05

that the white come from Western. Like,

15:07

it's already, like, I don't I don't know

15:09

why we still use those terms

15:11

now. Even within the spaces where it's

15:13

Houston, it does not make sense. Right.

15:15

Other than, like, to make a value judgment

15:17

from a western

15:18

standpoint. Right. Exactly.

15:22

Well, okay. So you hack the no fly list.

15:24

I'm not sure how much time you spent, like,

15:26

personally combing through, but I know there have been

15:28

some interesting analyses. Of the

15:30

maia. Can you talk about, like, what the most

15:32

interesting takeaways have been for you or what you hope that

15:34

people get from

15:35

it? Yeah. I haven't really taken that

15:37

maia But I have found that, like, I know this

15:39

is from papers. Please, extremely interesting,

15:42

especially. And I feel like it's just interesting.

15:44

Like, what I saw at First

15:46

glance is just the very strong

15:48

bias of, like, almost entirely Middle

15:50

Eastern names on that list. Also,

15:52

like, surprisingly

15:54

higher representation of, like, Irish

15:56

nationals. It's interesting how

15:58

you can kinda start to guess what kind

16:00

of intelligence partnerships the

16:02

US has internationally based simply

16:04

on this list. Because, like,

16:07

the US doesn't have time to

16:09

investigate the fucking boxing cartel

16:11

in Ireland. But

16:14

they're all on the list. So, like, they

16:16

just definitely have, like, intelligence

16:18

partner in the UK and that they're

16:20

directly results in people getting added to

16:22

no fly. And then the other wild

16:24

thing III think is that, like, the

16:26

select key list, which is the list of people that

16:28

always get, like, additional screening and

16:30

questioning, like, the funny TSA thing

16:32

that you people sometimes randomly

16:34

get, subject to but if you're on select

16:36

tea, you're always selected

16:38

for that treatment. Like, that's why it's called

16:40

select tea. It took me, like, three days to realize

16:43

that's that that's why it has that name. Yeah.

16:45

That list is significantly shorter

16:47

than the no fly list. So the US is

16:49

so sure about their, like, predictive

16:52

anti terrorism measures that

16:54

they are willing to ban more people

16:56

from flying then they are willing to put,

16:58

like, people on the list that will just get

17:00

them checked for, like, weapons at

17:02

the airport, which already that is

17:04

stupid. But but but they put fucking four year olds

17:07

on an offline list. I don't

17:09

get it. It does not compute

17:11

it. I mean, I just have to

17:13

assume nobody thinking very hard about it because it

17:15

doesn't affect

17:15

them. They're just like, put them on now. Put the

17:17

baby on there. I don't care. Yeah.

17:19

I don't know. I like the fact is

17:21

that, like, it is a subset of, like,

17:23

the terrorism screening database, which is even

17:26

bigger. Like, that's that that's the

17:28

wild thing. And, like, basically, any

17:30

US agents including, like, the US

17:32

Postal Service, can nominate people to be

17:34

added to the, like, terrorism screening

17:36

database. And from there, to

17:38

the no fly test. And I don't

17:40

know. Like the fact that it is the subset of

17:42

the general terrorism database, just

17:44

reveal so much about US intelligence that

17:47

you probably don't want to reveal.

17:49

Yeah. Okay. So would

17:52

argue. That the no fly leak obviously would have

17:54

been news no matter what, but that the reason it went

17:56

viral is because of, like, your

17:59

specific identities and static

18:01

and personality. People love your website,

18:03

which looks like it was built in

18:05

geocities in two thousand five despite the

18:07

fact that you were, like, five years old in two thousand

18:10

five. I'm curious if you

18:12

feel like that

18:14

attention to your identity, like

18:17

distracts on the message

18:17

you like that's an important part? Like, how do those two

18:20

things play into each other? You're

18:23

definitely right that it's mostly because

18:25

of that that I blew up. Because, like, I

18:27

was definitely getting attention, like, kinda

18:29

slowly. And and at some point, Tumblr

18:31

discovered my website. And that's,

18:33

like, when I suddenly like,

18:36

onto it. They're getting over a thousand

18:38

followers per hour. It was insane.

18:40

I feel like it has brought, like,

18:42

my message maia my work to so many

18:44

more people than it otherwise would have. And I

18:46

feel like while, like, there's a lot of focus on

18:48

just why I am as a person and a lot

18:50

of chokes about me being poly

18:53

and about things like that. On my

18:55

TikTok for your page, it's weird

18:57

opening every single social media and

18:59

seeing posts about

18:59

yourself. Yeah. But

19:02

I feel like it doesn't really distract

19:04

too much. Like, I don't think as

19:07

many people would have ever heard about what

19:09

I have have done and what I'm

19:11

If it burns for this. So in a way it's kinda lucky

19:13

for, like, my mission. If if

19:15

if I can call it that yeah.

19:18

Mean, obviously, my bubble

19:21

on Twitter is very specifically trans

19:23

people, but everyone's looking at

19:25

this when website in this post and being,

19:27

like, this is the most, like,

19:29

beautifully cat girl, trans

19:31

girl hacker thing I've ever seen.

19:33

And I just feel like this needs to be asked

19:36

somewhere. So what does the

19:38

deal with so many hackers being car girls and

19:40

vice

19:40

versa? And which came first for you, the

19:43

hacker, the hacker, girl. I actually like

19:45

to answer to that question. This this can

19:47

be summed up in one word and that we're

19:49

being autism. But And

19:53

that answers, I feel like both halves of that

19:56

question. But what came first?

19:58

I feel like that both came kinda around

20:00

the same

20:00

crimew, which is really weird.

20:05

You do have your

20:08

legal name location, your

20:10

face out there in the world. And I

20:12

was like, wow. I was so brave. And

20:14

then I saw you sell a shirt

20:16

that says, opsec oversharing private stuff everywhere

20:18

constantly, which I am obsessed with. Like, that's

20:20

so funny. But can you talk

20:22

about the choice to, like, not only take

20:24

these risks will, like, be named for

20:27

them.

20:27

Okay. So I'm just gonna be real here for a

20:30

second. Part of that is just that I have a really

20:32

hard time on like, shutting up. I

20:34

wanna talk about the cool shit I'm

20:36

doing. Like, as you can tell, I I just love

20:38

talking about the stuff I

20:40

do. I that that's why I'm on every single podcast ever

20:42

currently. I I feel like for me that's

20:44

just an important part of the

20:46

process. I absolutely do not recommend

20:48

anyone else students. It's fucking stupid

20:50

and it will get you in trouble. But,

20:52

like, it is kinda like

20:54

what I have been built

20:56

to do. The sun's really stupid.

20:58

But, like, yeah, it is just kind of what

21:00

I enjoy doing and how I enjoy doing

21:03

things. And I'm I'm glad that with

21:05

the platform, this has brought me. I get

21:07

to, like, inspire people and

21:09

bring my message to the world and bring my

21:11

politics to the

21:11

world. It's kinda mobile,

21:14

at the end of the day, how, like

21:16

in twenty twenty one, I managed to start,

21:18

like, especially US wide discussion

21:21

about, like, Surveillance capitalism,

21:23

man. Now I'm kinda doing the

21:25

same thing with bringing awareness to the fact

21:27

that TSA know fly this is Like,

21:29

there's so many US people who have asked

21:31

me, hey, what the fuck even isn't? No fly

21:33

maia. Wait. Really? Yeah. There

21:35

have been people asking that I feel like just

21:37

the fact that this is being discussed

21:39

again, it's great even though that means that in

21:41

some ways the Republicans are on my side.

21:43

Wait.

21:43

Why would that make the Republicans on

21:46

your I didn't they invent the no fly list? Because after

21:48

January sixth, a lot of

21:50

Republicans ended up on the no fly list,

21:52

so they hate the no fly list now.

21:55

Like, that the most far right

21:57

Republicans hate the North Lattice

21:59

now as well as, like, the most

22:01

left Democrats. So

22:03

Finally, Harshu vie reprove.

22:04

Yeah. It's

22:08

gonna be

22:08

interesting to see what happens when the congressional

22:10

inquiry happens, which is a parent

22:13

thing. Happening, which that's wild.

22:15

But, like, I'm very curious whether

22:17

they will ask me to make a statement or

22:19

testify in front of Congress because that

22:21

would be so silly. I'm

22:25

very, very curious about the congressional

22:27

inquiry. I'm also kind of scared about what

22:29

that's gonna bring to me in terms of attention.

22:32

I don't know if I'm ready for the fact that it's not

22:34

impossible that Tucker Carson is gonna have to

22:36

talk about me at one point. Yeah.

22:39

If Congress is talking about me, that's

22:41

kind of inevitable at that point. I feel like Mhmm.

22:44

I'm ready to take whatever it comes, but

22:46

it's just yeah. There it this has

22:48

gotten a lot bigger than I expected.

22:50

Like, I expected big things,

22:53

but I didn't expect it to take, like, a day

22:55

for a Republican congressman

22:57

to tweet out about the thing. I just did

22:59

with an tickle linking to my

23:01

website. So Yeah.

23:03

Has there been any

23:05

other, like, component to the response

23:06

that you've been surprised by.

23:09

I feel like the fact that, like, half of

23:11

the response on Twitter has been fucking

23:13

queer discourse. It's just tiring. Like,

23:15

that we are still at this point

23:17

where we are discussing this. And, like, if

23:20

it matters whether someone's identity

23:22

makes sense to you or not, there's

23:24

literally posts on Twitter now of, like, if

23:26

you follow Maya or like Maya,

23:29

DNI. It's so incredibly childish.

23:31

And the fact that whenever someone uses the word by

23:33

a lesbian, they come and say, oh,

23:35

this harms real world lesbians. This

23:38

is getting us physically hardened. And then

23:40

I say that this this girl is

23:42

stupid and is gonna get us killed, and then I

23:44

get quote tweeted, this person thinks

23:47

discourse affects real life. Like, what

23:50

so what exactly is your

23:52

point now? Does it? Or does it not

23:55

affect real

23:55

life. I don't know. That's stupid. I'm

23:57

very tired of this. I shouldn't have brought this

23:59

up. No. I feel like that was why

24:02

I actually really enjoyed the tweet that said, what if this is

24:04

just a sigh of? And I was like, that would

24:06

make me feel

24:06

better. Anyway, yeah. Same. I

24:09

would like, the the

24:11

fact that I know that it probably isn't

24:13

hurts so

24:13

much. Yeah. People

24:15

pick truly incredible hills to crimew on, I

24:17

gotta say. It's so

24:18

stupid. Like like fact

24:20

that they were fine with me being in in

24:23

she hit an fury and

24:25

and hacking the US government. But

24:27

they are in fine with me calling myself

24:29

a bail lester. Is so stupid. And then I was like,

24:31

yeah, I just deleted it because I don't have

24:33

the energy to deal with people getting mad at

24:35

me for using the some

24:38

simple words to describe my crimew identity.

24:41

I just truly don't get it.

24:43

Like like that's the thing I don't

24:45

get hurt. Like, I not that invested in anything

24:47

I care about. Yeah. And I

24:49

care about things that matter. Like, if I'm

24:51

allowed to just say her, that's

24:53

right. Yeah. I asked a

24:56

few friends if they had any questions for you. My good

24:58

friend Maia actually the person who coined and

25:00

popularized BK Du

25:01

Crime, crimew I know

25:02

that you love to say BK Du Crimew

25:04

reporters that's also, like, on your banner image. So they

25:06

said to tell you, quote, nice.

25:09

And they also ask

25:12

you a question. I assist you to ask you

25:14

what you think the holy grail of hacking would

25:16

be.

25:16

I I keep being asked this question and the

25:19

fact is I literally do not have

25:21

an answer it is. My answer is just everything to

25:23

this question. I feel like there

25:25

isn't anything specific. I feel like it's, like,

25:27

impossible to do. My

25:29

premise is that I see everything as like a

25:31

matter of it's just gonna take me a matter of

25:33

time to eventually stumble into it

25:35

because so far that has just

25:36

wait. Well, this is maybe

25:39

related to the holy grail of hacking, maybe

25:41

not. But I read in one interview

25:43

that you said it would not be that hard to

25:45

shut down the whole

25:46

Internet, and I was just wondering if you're talk

25:49

more about that?

25:52

Yeah. This is kinda about like, yeah,

25:54

Amazon and Google and Cloudflare.

25:56

And, like, I mean, we've had that before, but, like, clubs

25:58

are just fucking die because they fucked up,

26:00

like, one line of code, and they took down, like,

26:02

half of the Internet in the west

26:05

at least. And I don't know. Like,

26:07

that's that's the thing. All you have to take

26:09

then is, like, Cloudflare or,

26:11

like, Amazon, and and just

26:13

take down the Western Internet. It's that

26:15

easy. It's just thanks to the

26:17

wonders of capitalism. There's, like, two single

26:19

it's a failure. And that's it. I I'm

26:21

I'm, like, they're all owned by, like, Jeff Bezos

26:24

and Neil Musk, and that's kind of it at

26:26

this

26:26

point. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's part of

26:28

what I found in about what you were saying is just the idea

26:30

that they've kind of, like, done a lot of

26:32

the work for us of consolidating

26:34

everything. So then, like, taking

26:36

it out would be very easy. Yeah. That's

26:39

just classic capitalism moment. I

26:41

don't know. I know this is like a much

26:43

compass the theory, but I feel like capitalism will

26:46

definitely aid its own downfall. I don't think

26:48

it will bring about its own

26:49

downfall. But it's definitely helping a lot

26:52

with making it easier year. Yeah.

26:55

Well, because we have time,

26:57

we're talking earlier about how this whole thing has

26:59

kind of become a meme. And I

27:01

think the biggest meme is

27:03

people probably saying, holy fucking bingo

27:05

what, which is from your original

27:07

post about hacking the fly list. And

27:09

I saw that so many people were like, okay,

27:11

what does bingo mean? And you

27:13

and your friends were like, well, it's like basically an

27:15

inside joke. So I was wondering like to what it

27:17

feels like to have an

27:20

inside joke with you and your friends

27:22

suddenly like that everyone

27:23

is, like, yelling and drawing and it's trending

27:25

on Twitter. Yeah. So our

27:27

the Discord server, like, the Discord server, this is

27:29

from has been freaking out for

27:32

the past week. And it's just been

27:34

about how this is like the whole thing now,

27:36

and it's it's wild. And we have

27:38

been making bangle music and it's

27:40

the whole thing. People are like,

27:42

how did you already make this so fast? And the

27:44

answer is that this was a meme before it was

27:46

a meme. Like Mhmm.

27:48

But, yeah, it's just the nonsense word. That

27:50

doesn't really mean anything. Like, some of

27:52

the original uses of it, but just oh,

27:55

my bangle. And, like,

27:57

And it's just it's silly why, Tuesday. And it's

27:59

just fun to say, I don't know. I have had I've

28:01

now received, like, hundreds of the m's of people

28:03

telling me that they've made bangle their vocal stim,

28:05

and I'm just, like, you. I

28:08

have positively impacted the neurodivergent

28:11

space.

28:11

Oh, I love that.

28:14

Actually, that's really good. Well,

28:17

then the way we

28:19

always end the show is by

28:20

asking, in your ideal

28:23

world, what would the future of gender

28:25

look like? I have thought

28:28

about that a lot, and I'm not sure I have an

28:30

answer because like while

28:32

gender is a fuck, It's also

28:34

kind of fun. You can get kind of

28:36

cellular with it. So,

28:38

like, well, why didn't the idea where, like, we

28:40

wouldn't need gender, but I feel like

28:42

we could still, like, want gender to, like, have

28:44

fun with it. Because I feel like it's such a funny

28:46

aspect of identity to, like, be

28:48

able to play around

28:50

with. It's kind of fun doing

28:52

gender in a nonsense way.

28:58

That's gonna do for this week's show. You can find Maya

29:00

on Twitter at underscore NYANCRIMEW

29:05

and at Maya dot

29:08

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You can also find us on Patreon

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where we got a new bonus episode about

29:16

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29:18

many other fun perks. That's a patreon

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29:22

can also find us at the Bell House in Brooklyn

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this Wednesday, February first. See

29:26

you there. Today's episode was

29:28

produced and edited by Azaption in

29:30

this Goodman and by me, Checkatrade. Our

29:33

logo is by Ira and Maia. Our theme

29:35

song is by Brick Master Cylinder.

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They're well most likely not be a new episode next

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week because we are working on an extra long live

29:41

show for you, but we will be back in

29:43

two weeks with more feelings. By

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