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I'm Jonathan Bns. This week we're

2:15

talking to Charlotte Palomino see the

2:17

Ceo and cofounder of Do Skyn.

2:19

We're talking all about misinformation in

2:21

the beauty and the streets and

2:23

how she prioritizes transparency. It's and

2:25

like his built one of my

2:27

fave skincare and like these care

2:29

brands from the ground up. I.

2:32

You That's like this. Talk. With

2:34

Charlotte really rocked my world. Absolutely loved

2:36

it, Loved her. Have you ever see

2:38

me where those like do Skyn reusable

2:40

eye patches and I learned they're called

2:42

the Forever eye Patches when I interviewed

2:44

Charlotte's ah. Then you will

2:46

be by being this episode. So.

2:51

A few weeks ago a

2:53

pretty curious we had i'm

2:55

the founder of I'm Pure

2:57

Soma Cnn who we love

2:59

and. But. See

3:02

got me into dry brushing and then

3:04

we had doctor survive on and and

3:06

and I was telling him with my

3:08

like new psoriasis vibes i can this

3:10

get into some drivers license calm down

3:12

and as luck would have a you

3:14

guys moments of were recorded this episode

3:16

I dry breastplate the fourth time and

3:18

and I will say. I.

3:21

Really catch the drift. like I feel

3:23

the circulation. I do think that may

3:25

the quality of my skin is better.

3:27

I'm being in Vegas like my skin

3:29

was just like it's like I feel

3:32

like. You're. Like when your

3:34

feet get dry it it's like I would

3:36

have he not only my legs mailing stomach

3:38

i was just really dryly was growth and

3:40

the dry brushing really has helped to get

3:42

rid of that access dry skin and I

3:44

also feel like it has been helping the

3:46

absorb my moisturizer better. So I gotta say

3:48

two thumbs up for the dry brushing. I'm

3:50

will put on our stories the brand that

3:52

I've been using but I got suicide use

3:54

one. I love it. So far so really

3:56

good. Have you ever tried dry brushing? I

3:58

gotta say it really up to. The like

4:00

Skyn game. I'm here for it. Okay,

4:02

so that's that. what else? Oh also

4:05

bridge or temper Me: are you guys

4:07

so much Gorgeous city going line on

4:09

the bridges? Him premier. A

4:11

mess and I got to see so many

4:14

people as so gorgeous. It was also related

4:16

to burst carpet that I bought since like

4:18

the Glad Award last year or we know

4:20

that's not yet, there wasn't a carpet at

4:22

the Emmys. I'm for us as here. So

4:24

yeah, so it was really fun. I had

4:26

so much when seen frenzied. So much fun

4:28

thing! Nicola and. Is. Bridge or

4:30

Ten. not just like I already

4:32

been, is dead. So good. Cannot

4:34

get enough. I'm. Wow and

4:36

also obviously we had the corridors

4:38

and classic this last weekend. Ah,

4:40

Gabi, Simone and freakin' Sunni leave

4:42

Iraq and recovered. and truthfully, I'm

4:44

recording this coming to Saturday morning

4:46

as though I won't know what

4:48

happened with that means was nice,

4:50

but we'll talk about it. Ah,

4:52

nothing about a precarious next week.

4:55

Ah waiters it him in the L

4:58

in your ear about of and now

5:00

let's sit our conversation with Charlotte our

5:02

mean Charlotte pollard me know as a

5:04

license as citizen and the Ceo. And

5:06

cofounder of Do Skyn. After ten

5:08

years working in media, building audiences

5:10

and creating brand equity for award

5:13

winning publishers and fortune five hundred

5:15

companies, Meow, Charlotte made the switch

5:17

to skincare When she's not talking

5:19

about skincare, Charlotte also writes about

5:21

beauty, food, and culture for publications

5:23

like The Cat Yes, L.com Oh

5:26

my Stars apart and and what

5:28

up seats Charlotte? your immediate maybe

5:30

doing the most. How are you?

5:32

I'm great. How are you? Do

5:34

I use were gorgeous Brad. Your

5:36

here is giving it to me this morning. You're

5:39

stunning and I also had a personally say. Thank.

5:42

You so much for making

5:44

my favorite eyepatches that have

5:46

ever existed. I. Love.

5:48

Them so much. And just to

5:50

start off by an interesting side, bar

5:52

know. Is. It bad that

5:55

I take hotel key cards and

5:57

disinfect them with a while and

5:59

then put. They do skyn eye patches on

6:01

the hotel key card and then put those key

6:03

cards since I metal container because I kind of

6:05

like to keep them like it is a some

6:07

stick. really flat doesn't. Know

6:09

that's an amazing had and also lucky want

6:11

to keep that classic and services youths and

6:14

the life of the ten because really the

6:16

forever I mask is forever people think that

6:18

were joking and access silicon non porous. that

6:20

was why did find it that way I

6:23

really wanted people to the them. Or.

6:25

Ever and cell phone on a little

6:27

plastic answer that says. Ingenious ample the

6:29

memory frequenting. I've literally had my same sex

6:32

or sat for like years and it's view

6:34

did such a good job that I i

6:36

am worried about the reply for that. but

6:38

you for the yeah Ike environment because like

6:41

if you can not lose them be really

6:43

do stay amazing forever and I just like

6:45

wash those bitches with hand soap, lay him

6:47

out to dry is and then they stick

6:50

back on my shirts and oh he's owed

6:52

it. To. Let's focus on

6:54

it and I I jumped right into the

6:56

meat and potatoes about really telling people. About

6:59

it First trailer watch your backs are tell us everything.

7:01

I'm sorry taxa one a free.other. Know I mean

7:04

I will I need I love it

7:06

is. It's really kind of why we

7:08

created that forever. I'm out. I was

7:10

in as citizens all my cofounder as

7:12

because my comments with over a decade

7:14

of experience and are one of my

7:16

cofounders and you know when I was

7:18

talking with her I have a great

7:20

background and editorial in marketing by I

7:22

realize how susceptible I was marketing right

7:24

because marketing can be so compelling and

7:26

one thing sound science adjacent go out

7:28

much work and so in working with

7:30

joy to relax and have changed my

7:32

philosophy on. How I approach think and then

7:34

that informed how we stories. Hell, because at

7:37

all that marketing it was storytelling. And. Are

7:39

you doing it intentionally? Or you doing it

7:41

kind? Of just have to sell a product

7:43

to the quickly and to the forever imac.

7:45

If it's really the recognition that sheet mask.

7:47

The. Great. I love them. I actually love

7:50

them. The thing is that uniquely. Throw it

7:52

away comes in a fortress, the package and. And

7:54

I know now that I've to be destined

7:56

for research like think it's you have to

7:59

you something every. In order for

8:01

to actually have will you the call it a

8:03

his to logical. Change in the game? What

8:05

is the logical mean? Like. Physically

8:07

changing. Something in the get. Like anybody

8:09

can hydrate like I got an ebay

8:11

on butter I have this can be

8:13

bought the can lottery here. I poured

8:15

that Oliver My Faith Oh my goodness

8:17

I'm listening. My skin hydrated for a

8:19

period of time but say things like

8:21

ties that noise nice and am I

8:23

either think that I can actually change

8:25

or skyn right? They can second your

8:27

skin, they can hop on out the

8:29

skin. They can help with a my

8:31

persecution for dark circles and happiness. Retinoid

8:33

can really help with wrinkles that auto

8:35

hyper pigmentation and so you. Can actually change

8:38

the structure of the skin. you don't do

8:40

that overnight and that kind of what led

8:42

to love the philosophy of the bread, etc.

8:44

But it all started with the proper i'm

8:46

asked about like I'm i'm half French. And.

8:49

The French or not, you know that they're the ones

8:51

that I passed the law that like with our as

8:53

like you know how your phones are dying after your

8:55

because they. Want you to buy the new model S? Like

8:57

very quick planned obsolescence. it was friends

8:59

that would like you can see that

9:01

anymore like you can't have a planned

9:03

obsolescence and so for me out by

9:05

this is very like I don't like

9:07

how products have a very quick life

9:09

and I think thoughts as you said

9:11

like to have a business model we

9:14

live in capitalism have to repurchase thing

9:16

but what. If you actually created the party, you

9:18

only. Have to buy one. what would actually

9:20

do and funded actually helped the brand and

9:22

it turns out that you can actually create

9:24

a really strong philosophy but often filled brand

9:26

loyalty for brought me here with you Like

9:29

that. Invaluable and so I wish that more

9:31

brands would think about things and try to

9:33

change things from that perspective versus how do

9:35

I get you to repurchase and replenish quickly

9:37

as possible. Yeah, it's really interesting

9:39

because we did an episode of

9:42

Getting Curious a couple months ago.

9:45

With. Marcus. Ericsson who's as

9:47

like water scientist and we really research

9:49

scientists. He's really passionate about water and

9:52

when a sort of Gb and here

9:54

I was like really just wanted to

9:56

engage like the littlest least amount of

9:58

plastic possible. That was like a

10:01

huge thing for me that. I.

10:03

Was so happy that A D head after

10:05

this episode of Getting Serious because he really

10:07

taught me like that all of our plastic.

10:10

I mean not all of it, but he.

10:12

I. Mean a staggering amount like up in the

10:14

eighties and nineties does end up in landfill,

10:17

doesn't up in water systems? The Fisher just

10:19

like eaten the shit out of it. Now

10:21

he does have like micro plastics all over

10:23

the fucking place. So. And it

10:25

is true that like face masks,

10:27

eyepatches, a I mean there's just

10:29

so there isn't an ordinary amount

10:31

of burgeoned plastic in there and

10:34

it is truly and recycle a

10:36

ball. A lot of this class

10:38

as wild. An email. It's like it's it's

10:40

happening in every industry. There's just so much waste.

10:42

Not the by part of our. Voracious

10:45

consumption. I think this is all the records are

10:48

kind of my background and what works and it's

10:50

or the brand with. I came from a background

10:52

reporting writing but they're not, They're sharing that acts

10:54

as a marketing with publishers and that like how

10:57

do you actually get to the root of something?

10:59

What is the truth or would have the club

11:01

thing? We can get the truth because that's another

11:03

reality is that science changes as I do. The

11:06

humans have all the answers like if we did

11:08

we would. Not be here right now like

11:10

clearly we don't have all the answers. Beliefs

11:12

are in forming a lot more than faster

11:14

I would say right now because the internet

11:16

played on the motions and if you compare

11:18

people's emotions you can get them in in

11:20

a certain way. which is why we have

11:22

legislation that makes absolutely no time. and though

11:24

if you look at all the things rebrand

11:27

people think that beauty as innocuous that are

11:29

me on my duty, something that everybody participates

11:31

and willingly on on. So how do we

11:33

actually make it a better say it and

11:35

give people information so they can make more

11:37

informed decision. So it's like. All kind

11:39

of like played together indicated that first product

11:41

that we watch result the program up. Dot.

11:44

Is. So. Scary. and also

11:46

true. It's kind of reminds me of like. You

11:50

think you don't have anything to do

11:52

with this like when she's like like

11:54

the Bell and I'm but in double

11:57

worth products and it's like even if

11:59

you don't engage are still engaged during

12:01

and use don't even know because the

12:03

earth like who we were ward who

12:06

we by we purchase of it's like

12:08

that is just so interesting. So your

12:10

money your business you are a writer

12:12

you are and s citizen school then

12:14

twenty twenty is like you know relatively

12:17

still year like not that much happen

12:19

and twenty twenty like just like kind

12:21

of a chill like once every hundred

12:23

euro like respiratory pandemic bit like tennis

12:26

at the world down like a pretty

12:28

chill presidential election. I worked. I worked

12:30

at Snapshot and Media Launching like a New

12:32

York Times and things like that. And. Twenty

12:34

sixteen oh you been doing this for a minute

12:36

so you yes of this is no his know

12:39

how to death and like so in and will

12:41

it take? You are just like in it so

12:43

were you Just like I'm sick of all this

12:45

fucking plastic or you're like i just wanna. I.

12:47

Don't what? what? What? How did you do at

12:49

any? Honestly it actually we'd with tell. Everything started

12:52

with cannabis. We we? Yeah, so that

12:54

like marijuana formula? Yeah yeah, I mean

12:56

cannabis As if you want to look

12:59

at an ama. Secular Canada? I mean,

13:01

If you want to get an industry where

13:03

people have been treated abysmally based off of

13:05

their in town, that would be one of

13:07

them and how racism in foreign policy in

13:09

the United States that they get the case

13:12

study that is pretty pretty appalling. and the

13:14

basically what what's happening with I was working

13:16

on a snapshot and I thought was happening

13:18

and of it and L A and I

13:20

was like oh no not again. Or.

13:22

Not going to have people

13:25

ruining a perfectly that plants

13:27

perfectly goods. You

13:29

know material in the name of marketing

13:32

because of the companies that people at

13:34

ease Everything. People. Were adding like

13:36

all the snap at everything without actually happening.

13:38

With that said he has a sure thing

13:40

like answer is the easiest way to turn

13:42

people off and it's not that from going

13:44

and again like cannabis. Another one of those

13:47

examples where you think that it doesn't apply

13:49

to the don't smoke and of it but

13:51

it's impact So many communities and people like

13:53

Mitch Mcconnell make tons of money off of

13:55

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13:59

Factors: I'm in the

14:01

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14:03

that and farm bill passed. All the

14:05

things like everything it enacted it but

14:07

I like to say but basically we

14:09

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14:11

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14:25

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14:27

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14:29

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14:32

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14:34

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and it's like you don't want that on

19:15

your feet all the time like you want

19:17

me to. just simple because there's so many

19:19

ingredients and all of your other stats and

19:21

so it is meant to be like a

19:24

really like lifted rich peptide forward for hims

19:26

that you could use on my post treatment

19:28

Can like all of that the for me

19:30

in city Enjoy Like. It. Was

19:32

kind of modeled on than a solid,

19:34

your friend pharmacy, and it's to me

19:37

just one of our asses and are

19:39

product for the lights. Great for a drive.

19:41

can. See who lives in your

19:43

range? Don't you have Bremmer eye patches and

19:45

say angel? air angel

19:48

for the more acne prone people are

19:50

because into needle is pretty right okay

19:52

with like lights light jowl how many

19:54

launches you try to like do try

19:56

to like good like steer towards like

19:58

x amount of wanted year? Is it only

20:00

when you see something you really think would work? So

20:02

the development process works in like a couple of

20:05

ways. So there's just this stuff that Joyce is

20:07

like, this needs to exist in the world. This

20:09

doesn't exist, it needs to exist. And we're like,

20:11

yes. Because you know, she

20:13

has so many years of formulation experience that

20:15

you know, she's like, she knows what's out

20:17

there. She's formulated some of your favorite products

20:19

as Sephora and in the pharmacies, like she

20:21

knows what's up. Then there's like

20:24

this other world where we see kind of

20:26

like a problem or something that needs to

20:28

be iterated on. Right. So for example, we

20:30

launched the sample barrier blanket, it's a non

20:32

finished formula, but it's kind of playing

20:35

on the idea of like, what

20:37

happens if we move beyond fossil

20:40

fuels beyond farming and actually create

20:42

a Vaseline type occlusive

20:44

that doesn't use as much

20:46

petrol atom and we use

20:48

biotech, right? That was a

20:50

conversation between Joyce and I where I was like,

20:52

plugging is the best thing that you can

20:54

do for your skin, especially as you get older, because your

20:56

skin becomes more dry. You just want

20:58

to thirst trap everything in like we

21:00

are made of water and our water

21:03

is constantly evaporating. Like our water is

21:05

ghosting us. And if your skin is

21:07

dry, it's basically like a sieve.

21:09

Like you just have your water evaporating from

21:11

you. Putting on Vaseline and

21:13

moisturizers and things like that, it just reinforces

21:15

it and keeps the water where you want

21:17

it. And so you can't just drink your

21:19

beauty. You actually do need to reinforce your

21:21

skin almost like waterproofing yourself. And

21:23

so that's like barrier blanket with like a collaboration with

21:26

like Joyce and I talking about where it could go,

21:28

how it could be Joyce formulates all of

21:30

it. I think she did like 60

21:32

iterations of this formula, but it's still

21:34

not done because we can't

21:37

scale the ingredients. It's too expensive. And so

21:39

we're waiting, we want to get feedback from

21:41

our audience to kind of like understand what

21:43

they like about it, what they want to

21:45

see. And then we're looking for more ingredients.

21:47

I'm so excited to get into the rest of the

21:50

gorgeous dew skin range because my body

21:52

is ready. My face is ready.

21:54

I have been doing dew skin eye patches for

21:56

so long. I'm ready to get into like more

21:58

replans and I'm really excited. for deliverance. So

22:00

I'm jumping on and you guys

22:02

I'll do a little review of those on a

22:05

getting ready with me at a later episode. I'm pretty curious

22:07

because like I said, my body's fucking ready.

22:09

Although spoiler alert, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be

22:11

obsessed, but we'll see how it goes. I know. You're

22:13

going to be in Vegas. If you're in Vegas, these

22:15

things will be very useful to you. I

22:18

can't wait. I'm here and I'm here for another month and my

22:20

skin is dry. I know.

22:22

It's wild. Is there things that as

22:24

consumers, we're just broadly getting wrong when

22:26

determining what we should buy and use

22:28

in our daily lives? The app.

22:31

I'm sorry. The app. The EWG,

22:33

the YUSCA app, all of those.

22:35

It's taking things out of context.

22:37

It's like, you know,

22:39

lavender, for example, can actually be

22:41

an endocrine disruptor if you use

22:44

enough of it. Doesn't

22:46

make it unsafe. It just depends

22:48

on the jokes, depends on the use case,

22:50

depends on where you use it. I find

22:52

that these apps actually create more fear. And

22:54

then they also create worse formulas because now

22:56

we're learning that parabens actually may be the

22:58

most safe preservative system to be used.

23:00

Right. And so, you know, again, it's

23:03

like science, like always kind of changes.

23:05

And so for me, I'm always open

23:07

to changing my mind. Like, for example,

23:09

chemical sunscreen, people freak out about chemical

23:11

sunscreens, you know, based off of the

23:13

information that has been out there, I

23:15

understand why. But just because the

23:17

FDA is asking for more information, that is

23:19

not an opportunity for brands to start freaking

23:22

customers out about something when it's been in

23:24

use for over 50 years. And so for

23:26

me, I find that the app and

23:28

some of these platforms, sometimes misconstrued

23:31

information, they cherry pick information, right? Because

23:33

when something really bad comes out about

23:35

a natural ingredient, they don't

23:37

publish all these reports, these recalls, the

23:40

fear mongering. And it's because a lot

23:42

of the brands that have their seals

23:44

have that ingredient in there. And I'm

23:46

like, interesting. Like, if you, you know,

23:48

foie yourself with

23:51

parabens, sure, you'll die. But that'll also be

23:53

the case with water. And so the

23:56

dose does make the poison. And so

23:58

let's work with toxicologists. work with

24:00

nuance, let's understand the percentages in which

24:03

people are using these products because, you know,

24:05

for example, I thought petrol atom was on

24:07

a no-no list. And listen, I

24:09

don't like the fossil fuel industry, but people

24:12

do realize that there are other fossil

24:14

fuel derived ingredients that are not petrol

24:16

atoms that are ranked as A-OK by

24:18

these platforms, but then petrol atom just

24:20

because it's recognized, it's given the thumbs

24:23

down. It's just very cherry picking and

24:25

it's not nuanced. And it creates a

24:27

fear-based culture. I much prefer platforms like

24:29

Inkey decoder. There's no morality assigned to ingredients.

24:31

It's just talking about the ingredients. So a

24:33

lot of people who are like really passionate

24:35

about ingredients, passionate about personal care and doing

24:37

the best with the information that they have.

24:40

But I think when you don't

24:42

have the government, like,

24:45

behind you in a real way, it just

24:47

makes it really complicated. And there is too

24:50

much money and not enough research

24:52

in trying to keep the

24:55

personal care industry as unregulated as possible. I

24:58

think that you've completely nailed it

25:00

on the head because I think all

25:02

of these platforms start with very, very

25:04

good intentions, but to scale nuance is

25:06

so challenging. And so what happens is

25:09

the nuance is not there. And

25:11

so it's like, you know, when a thing

25:13

is ranked as like a 10, which is

25:15

like the worst thing possible, if you look

25:17

at the study, sometimes it's like dangerous when

25:20

consumed in like gallons. And it's like, well,

25:22

obviously it's like, it's an eye cream. It's

25:24

not being consumed. It's not the orally

25:26

ingested. And so I think that that's

25:29

where it's like they're trying to scale something, but

25:31

it's so hard to do that. Because as you

25:33

said, I think that the I think that the

25:35

FDA is on a really poor job in

25:38

managing the fear

25:41

around cosmetics. I think

25:43

that the FDA regulations are not that different from

25:45

Europe, to be honest, when you look at the

25:47

kind of formulas and things, it's very easy to

25:49

port things over to Europe. There's this idea that

25:51

things are so much more safe in Europe. If

25:53

anything in Europe, like it's against guidance to do

25:56

free from claims, because free from implies that something

25:58

is bad when it's actually not. But

26:00

there are other great things in Europe, like

26:02

recallability and things like that, which is going

26:04

to be coming into place with the modernization

26:06

of cosmetic regulation at Mocha. So

26:09

I think that all of these platforms come from

26:11

a really good intention, but the execution to me

26:13

is like what you said. It's like there should

26:15

be some government backing to this, and clearly there's

26:17

a consumer need. And so the

26:19

FDA should be stepping up. But I think the

26:21

unfortunate reality is that, you know, neoliberalism

26:23

has really taken hold of the United

26:26

States. Like we are gutting

26:28

government institutions and then complaining that they

26:30

aren't protecting us. And it's like, well,

26:32

yes, we've been gutting them since

26:34

like Nixon. What was that modernization thing you

26:37

were talking about Mocha? Mocha,

26:39

yeah, Modernizations of Cosmetics Regulation Act. So

26:41

Biden actually put that through, hoping there's

26:43

going to be some sunscreen changes there

26:45

as well. I mean, I'm not holding

26:47

my breath. As I look at my

26:49

Korean... Has it been passed in the house? Yeah,

26:53

so they actually signed... It's actually signed

26:55

through about when the implementation is actually happening.

26:57

So would that be like our first personal

26:59

care protection legislation since like that 1938 or

27:02

whatever? Yeah, so it's just much more

27:04

specific. It's like you have to

27:06

report adverse effects to the FDA, right? Like before

27:08

you didn't have to, which is like nuts. Okay.

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29:01

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29:03

ready? Okay, this

29:06

is giving rapid fire. It's giving a

29:08

journey. So sometimes the answers

29:11

aren't one word, but they're just

29:13

like fast answers. Are you ready?

29:15

Okay, rapid fire. What

29:17

is your go to budget beauty

29:19

recommendation under $10? Oh

29:22

my god, that's a good one. Can I just say

29:25

sidebar that my ballet teacher that I like I did ballet

29:27

for like two years because I was like 22 and I

29:29

was like, I want to be a professional ballet dancer. She

29:31

used to take this Vaseline that was from 1987. It

29:34

was this huge tub of Vaseline. She said

29:36

she used to use it as lube for her

29:38

nipples after her son would like to her nipples

29:40

off for breastfeeding. And she would like put the

29:42

Vaseline on her like nipples after

29:44

that. She had the same thing

29:46

of Vaseline in 2012. That's

29:49

when she finished it and she was still using it. And

29:51

she never had like rashes. She never anything go wrong from

29:53

it. But she said, Hey, you guys, you need this for

29:55

your elbows or anything and she's like, I used to use

29:58

this on my nipples for my nipple crew. So whatever. Vaseline

30:00

has got the staying power. We

30:02

love it. Splurge recommendation. She's giving

30:04

bougie. She's giving... It's like the pair

30:06

of shoes that every woman should have that cost half

30:09

her rent or whatever. Definitely one of those red light

30:11

masks. They're really fun to use, but also

30:13

a red light mask. The

30:19

science is like, is it proven? I'm not so

30:22

sure, but for me, do I find that it

30:24

works for me? Absolutely. But I

30:26

get treatment. I do microneedling. I do

30:28

laser. I love how it

30:30

puts me to sleep. I love red light. So

30:33

I'm going to say that's definitely one of

30:35

them. Okay,

30:38

two things. I never leave home without

30:40

Instant Angel and I never leave home

30:43

without sunscreen ever. What

30:45

is your favorite vintage beauty

30:47

look? Vintage beauty look.

30:50

I'm a huge fan of a cat

30:52

eye, but a nivea, like a jar

30:54

of nivea. It's probably... It's like

30:57

a pink lip. I'm just picturing my

30:59

Marin. She's the biggest beauty icon

31:01

in my life and that's all

31:03

she would do. Really well moisturized skin, bright

31:05

pink lip. Done. But always

31:07

be wearing little Chanel suits. Not that that

31:09

wasn't a perfectly acceptable answer because it

31:11

was a great answer, but I just want

31:13

another one just from your pop culture, half

31:15

French references, just because I think it's going

31:17

to be amazing. So for

31:20

me, when I had an intrusive thought

31:22

with Natalie Portman's lips and when she

31:24

was princess Amédall and she just had

31:26

that really thick pink lip stripe

31:31

that was so hot. It's like a movie

31:33

or photo shoot or red carpet vintage beauty

31:35

look that you're like, fuck, that was cool.

31:38

I mean, honestly, I am obsessed with

31:40

Eddie Jeff and her look and I

31:42

feel like it's weirdly coming back. These

31:44

really thin... Who's that? It's like Eddie

31:47

Jeff. She's one of the most famous

31:49

singers from France, but her makeup look,

31:51

I find that it keeps coming back

31:53

in weird ways, bits and pieces of

31:55

it, but it's very 20s and then

31:57

also Josephine Baker all day long. all

32:00

day long. The way that Josephine Baker

32:02

has created so many trends that continue

32:04

to this day is absolutely

32:06

wild. Like, you know, she created the

32:08

first tanning oil. What? Yeah,

32:11

called Baker Oil, because French women wanted

32:13

to look like her. So she created

32:15

tanning oil. She's one of the first people to like, create

32:18

like a celebrity brand. And so I'm obsessed

32:20

with Josephine Baker, I think that her entire look

32:23

like I love that I love the 20s.

32:25

I think it's like such an interesting makeup

32:27

look. It's so heavy. And it's

32:30

like so dramatic. But I think it's because

32:32

of like how silent films were like becoming

32:34

like, you had to have contrast. And so

32:36

for me, though, with her, I'm like, Oh,

32:38

like the slick hair, and like the heavy

32:41

eye and the lip. And then the fact

32:43

that she literally came up with a tanning

32:45

oil because like, white women wanted to look

32:47

like her was like, it's fascinating to me to

32:49

know. Because you were born in the US.

32:51

Yeah, but I lived in France for a bit.

32:53

Yeah. You

32:56

did do you live in Paris or what? I

32:58

lived in beer. I'm like I lived in Bordeaux,

33:01

like outside Bordeaux, Aja, and then I lived in

33:03

a small town called Seigneuse, which is outside Bieris.

33:06

And so Southwest is where I'm from. So I'm

33:08

not from Paris. I spent

33:10

some time there, obviously, like especially working at

33:12

Snapchat, but I mostly was in the Southwest.

33:15

Meh or major? Sustainable

33:17

beauty. I don't think there's such thing

33:19

as sustainable consumption. But see, Vaseline.

33:23

It's good. But I hope we can divest from fossil fuels

33:25

where there's not going to be a market for petrol

33:28

atoms. Anti-aging products. We're

33:30

all going to die. So I don't like saying

33:32

anti-aging because it makes it feel like it's bad.

33:34

Yeah. And I'm such a pro aging like aging as

33:37

a privilege. Like I just want to be as cute

33:39

as possible like while I do it. So yeah, I'm

33:41

still right there with you. And wrinkles are cute. Wrinkles

33:43

are cute. I just want to be moisturized. I think

33:45

so too. Yes. Now what

33:47

about skin cycling? Like giving your skin breaks is

33:49

probably a good idea, but it's going to change

33:51

from person to person. People are always looking for

33:53

like the one answer to everything. And

33:55

the unfortunate reality is like trust the

33:57

people that say maybe and it depends.

34:00

Anybody who's giving you definitive answers is

34:02

a red flag because nobody knows.

34:05

That's the tweetable moment. Last

34:08

three, mineral sunscreen. Love mineral sunscreen.

34:10

Fuck it. Microneedling.

34:13

Adore microneedling. Yeah, you love this. UV

34:15

cameras. Love it because then you know where

34:17

you missed it and you can find out

34:19

why you have a hyperpigmentation stash on your

34:22

mouth because I rub these face all the

34:24

time. What's next for you? What's on the horizon?

34:26

Where can we follow? And what's next? What's

34:28

the T for Charlotte? You can follow me

34:30

at Charlotte Parlay and you can

34:33

follow Dew at Dew Skin

34:35

and more products for Dew, more expanding Sephora,

34:37

and then you're going to see some fun

34:39

collaborations that I'm working on for things like

34:41

how we talk about sustainability. So I'm excited

34:44

about what that's going to bring. And can people

34:46

get Dew Skin in the U.S. on Sephora online

34:48

and in some stores? Or in

34:50

every door. Every door, Dew Skin.

34:52

You heard it here. Probably not first. At least I

34:54

heard it here first. But every door in Sephora, get

34:56

your Dew Skin, get it together. Charlotte, thank you so

34:58

much for coming on, Getting Curious. I

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