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Hey, Boo. It's

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me, Roz. And

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welcome to Ghosted by Roz

1:39

Hernandez. The podcast that

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makes me go, the weather

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outside is frightful. Bitch,

1:47

your stories are frightful.

1:50

Happy holidays, everyone. Hey,

1:53

I should tell you right off the top

1:55

that we will be taking off next

1:57

week. And don't kill me. Also

2:00

the next week because it will be

2:03

Christmas and then New Year's Day and

2:06

So we will be back on the 8th

2:09

of January But you

2:11

know what because it's the holidays. I'll give you a

2:13

little gift. I'll tell you who my guest is Margaret

2:17

Cho Margaret Cho is

2:19

back on the show. So look forward to

2:21

that in the new year on the 8th

2:24

of January

2:27

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get them there They're so cute. Also,

3:13

I'm selling Polaroids on my Instagram Okay,

3:17

I got to talk to Chris Fleming who is

3:19

absolutely Hilarious

3:22

we have the time of our lives we get

3:24

into a cryptid story that was a real

3:27

doozy But before we get to that

3:30

Let me read you a story.

3:32

This one comes from Rebba

3:35

Reb from st. Louis Okay,

3:38

Reb sent me a few but here's one

3:41

that took place in st. George Utah

3:44

so Reb is at a random

3:46

cheap Windham hotel with their father

3:48

who had come to visit now

3:51

it says Utah Surprisingly one of the

3:54

prettiest places as long as you avoid

3:56

most of downtown Salt Lake City. Okay,

3:59

interesting Lasting I'm I do love

4:01

you Saw, by the way, Oh my

4:03

God. Or feel that jerk completely on

4:05

another planet? It's cool. So

4:08

they rights I do the van

4:10

life saying and I was getting

4:12

cold out so I stayed in

4:14

the hotel room with my dad.

4:17

When. He got into town. Every

4:20

night while we slept. The.

4:22

Tv would turn on by itself.

4:24

At first we assumed it was

4:26

some technical issue, so after a

4:29

couple of nights of this happening,

4:31

I decided to be clever and

4:33

turn the volume all the way

4:36

down on the T V before

4:38

turning it off. I. Thoughts

4:40

At least if it turned on a done.

4:43

The. Sudden sound wouldn't scare the

4:45

crap out of us. That.

4:48

Same night. The. Tv

4:50

turns on again, but at

4:52

four thousand noom! Now

4:56

we're really freaked out, but what

4:58

can we do? We turn it

5:00

off again and try to sleep.

5:03

Eventually. We. Throw the remote

5:05

into a drawer and that stop it.

5:08

Does. This prove a spooky thing was

5:10

no longer able to use the

5:13

remote. I don't know. But

5:15

it gets creepier. So.

5:18

We saw the Tv problem but

5:20

now the room is so quiet.

5:22

It is too quiet. I

5:25

felt a presence other than my dad

5:27

in the room. He was

5:29

in his bed sleeping. At

5:32

first I'm just very aware of

5:34

an additional energy moving in the

5:36

room. Then. I.

5:39

Felt whatever it was, sit

5:41

on my bed right behind

5:43

me. I was terrified.

5:45

frozen in fear. I prayed

5:48

frantically hoping it wouldn't touch

5:50

me. praying and praying that

5:52

it would go away until

5:54

I passed out. and

5:57

spend a few years so i don't

5:59

know what order all this happened, but

6:01

at some point my dad said I

6:03

jolted up, still asleep,

6:06

shouting, No, no, don't.

6:11

It freaked him out, but he's

6:13

a good dad and he told

6:15

me something like, it's okay, you're

6:17

okay, everything's fine, go back to

6:19

sleep. I don't remember

6:21

any of it, but apparently I'd laid back down and

6:23

was fine. Until the

6:26

scariest part was when my dad went

6:28

back to St. Louis, but he booked

6:30

some extra nights for me to stay

6:32

in the hotel. I'm in

6:34

the room by myself now. The room is

6:37

dark and I'm trying to

6:39

fall asleep. I'm letting my gaze

6:41

wander and I see in the

6:44

corner near the ceiling something

6:46

blacker than the darkness of the

6:48

room, creepy crawling

6:50

out of that corner from

6:53

the friggin ceiling. It

6:55

was very large and spider-like,

6:57

but without any clear form,

7:00

undulating out of the

7:02

darkness. I turned over

7:04

on my side and again

7:07

began to pray, curled

7:09

up tight in the fetal position,

7:12

absolutely terrifying, praying

7:14

again until I passed out. I

7:17

had never experienced anything like that.

7:22

Oh my god. Okay, first

7:25

of all, they better have had

7:27

a bomb-ass continental breakfast. I

7:30

would have yelped the shit out of that place.

7:33

Why didn't you move rooms? Make

7:35

up a story if you're embarrassed. Get

7:38

out of that room. That

7:40

is too scary. But

7:43

I'm so glad you stayed and lived to tell

7:45

the tale and now I get to share it

7:47

with the rest of us. Thank you.

7:50

Okay, it is

7:52

time for me to talk

7:54

to the one and only

7:56

hilarious Chris Fleming.

8:00

with this show. Oh,

8:06

my God. I am joined

8:09

by an icon of

8:11

bangs with glasses. Chris

8:15

Fleming. Hello. With

8:18

big glasses, we both have big

8:20

glasses and bangs. I have my

8:22

comically large comedy prop

8:24

glasses that do have a

8:26

prescription, but they definitely,

8:29

I hope, helped me to be silly,

8:32

silly. I think

8:34

we lead with our glasses, you know.

8:36

Yeah, yeah. Glasses and bangs. People lead

8:38

with their hips. People lead with their,

8:41

you know, their shoulder. We

8:43

lead with our with our glasses and our

8:45

bangs. Yeah, my bangs are too long.

8:48

I'm looking a little bit like a 90s soccer

8:50

player these days, you know, when they grow

8:52

out and they're kind of like, yeah, embarrassingly

8:55

parted like this. They're never ending.

8:57

They really, they really

8:59

are a commitment, but yeah, worth

9:01

it. Yeah. When you say,

9:03

hi, Colin, I mean, you just had Kristen Stewart

9:05

on. I feel like how can we even I

9:07

can't as probably the first podcast

9:09

Kristen Stewart's ever done, right? She

9:12

has not done many. And

9:14

yeah, it was a major

9:16

honor to have on Kristen. That was

9:18

sort of my like Mark

9:21

Marin having Obama on his

9:23

podcast. Oh, totally. I

9:26

saw that. I was like, God, oh, my God.

9:29

I it's just insane. Well, I

9:31

know her. She she produces the

9:33

TV show I'm on and she's

9:35

awesome. And I've been ghost hunting

9:37

with her. Yeah,

9:40

you've been you've interacted

9:42

with the with the

9:44

paranormal realm with Kristen Stewart. Yes,

9:47

I have. So

9:49

that's the fuck you're talking to.

9:52

Oh, my God. OK, OK.

9:55

Yeah, but that is so cool.

9:58

I am. a

10:00

huge fan of yours and I am

10:03

so excited that you've joined me. Thank

10:05

you. I do have to

10:07

ask right off the top, are you

10:09

aware of the British

10:13

television psychic Chris Fleming?

10:17

Not only am I aware, well, yeah, my

10:19

dad was following him on Twitter thinking it was

10:21

me for about a decade. My

10:23

dad would like, be like,

10:25

Chris, Chris, I

10:27

don't know why you're going on a ghost hunt

10:29

in Scotland, Chris, you know, it'd be seriously shit

10:31

like that. And he

10:33

and I would just get each other's, we

10:36

still do a lot of each other's like messages and

10:38

stuff and we just like send them to each other.

10:40

And he came to see me in Chicago and we

10:42

had like a, in

10:44

2019 right before the pandemic and we

10:47

had like the loveliest night, like, I

10:49

don't know if you've ever met someone with your same name,

10:51

but it is like, it's like, it did

10:53

feel like me, maybe I'm dumb, but it felt like meeting

10:55

a twin. Right, right. Like

10:59

there was some kind of, like I

11:01

had my arm, I don't, I don't like touching people usually,

11:04

but I had my arm around him the whole

11:06

night. Like we were like on a honeymoon. I

11:08

just had my arm around this ghost

11:10

hunter, Chris Fleming, because he was, he was

11:12

also so charming. Did he read you? No,

11:16

no, we just, we just had a lot

11:18

of mojitos. We did.

11:21

We sat very late. And

11:24

I don't think he did any, I think

11:27

he told me some stories. This was, again, this

11:29

was like right before the pandemic, you know how

11:31

like everything, like you know how

11:33

like really good stuff happened, like

11:35

the leading, you know, the last few months

11:37

right before? Oh, of course. Just

11:40

the past. Yeah. Yeah. God.

11:43

Did you interact with him ever? Never. I

11:46

don't smoke weed, but I

11:48

know a thing people say

11:50

is like dream blunt rotation,

11:52

Chris Fleming and the television

11:54

psychic Chris Fleming. Dream

11:58

mojito rotation. Two

12:00

yeah, that is iconic. I actually

12:02

really like him because he's on

12:05

this show that I watch called

12:07

help My house is haunted

12:11

Yeah, and a ton of TV

12:13

shows and he's great now Yeah,

12:17

he's so good. I'm not gonna lie. I thought that's who we had

12:19

booked today So I know I know I

12:21

could see in your eyes when I popped up. So

12:24

that's all I've prepared So I hope

12:26

it's okay. I'm just gonna continue with

12:28

everything I've prepared That's

12:30

totally cool. I'm just gonna paint my nails.

12:33

Did you know you were a psychic is

12:35

my first question I'm

12:38

sorry. That's all I have prepared Yeah,

12:42

I do I do have

12:44

something prepared Chris kindergarten Chris

12:50

Fleming the psychic related I do I

12:54

Do have an article I found Okay,

12:57

okay about your friend this might be Uncomfortable

13:00

because I now I know he's your friend I'm

13:04

a fan of his Oh nose. Is

13:06

he being dragged? No, not actually no

13:08

It's it's actually just like kind of

13:10

a weird funny story,

13:12

I guess It

13:15

says psychic. This is from

13:17

daily record co dot uk

13:20

It's a psychic Chris Fleming claims that

13:22

a ghost violated him. Yeah on Haunted

13:26

Scott's prison visit so he was

13:28

yeah, he do you know about this?

13:31

I do know about this I'm

13:36

sorry that I'm laughing It's

13:39

fine. It's fine. He shared something that I

13:41

saw that we never talked about it or

13:43

anything I just saw him say that he

13:45

was violated by a ghost. Listen, I don't

13:48

I I'm not trying to laugh at At

13:51

a very serious thing. But

13:54

yes, I just have never heard anything

13:56

like this. So he was at this

14:00

jail and he was in a room where they

14:02

would do medical exams

14:05

on the prisoners and

14:08

he felt like somebody was giving him a

14:10

prostate exam. Oh my god so it was

14:12

a ghost doctor it was so it wasn't

14:14

a malicious thing it was just like the

14:17

ghost doctor was like next yes and then

14:19

it says this is his quote we were

14:21

in the room listening to a guide telling

14:23

their story and when all of a sudden

14:26

I had this feeling that I can only

14:28

equate to what it feels like for a

14:30

man to get a prostate exam. You

14:33

see a doctor who puts a

14:35

glove on and does the exam that's

14:37

exactly what this felt like. There are

14:40

times when people have been sexually violated

14:42

by demonic entities that obviously popped into

14:44

my head. I'm not saying that that's

14:47

what this was it wasn't I think

14:49

it was more to do with the

14:51

prisoners what they went through when

14:54

they were there having these medical

14:56

exams. So

14:58

ghosts can go through pants

15:00

I guess. Yeah

15:03

I get you know some can walk through

15:05

walls and stuff. Right yeah so a little

15:07

you know a little denim

15:09

isn't gonna keep a good ghost

15:11

back. I guess not. So yeah so

15:13

he was with a group and this

15:15

happened. Yeah he said the guide ended

15:17

up telling us that they used to

15:19

do tests like that

15:21

proctology exams in that room which

15:23

I hadn't known. The

15:25

question is whether the spirit was actually doing that

15:27

to me or if it was residual

15:29

energy I was picking up from what

15:31

happened there. Okay yeah yeah.

15:34

When you first said residual energy I thought

15:36

it meant like residual like had

15:38

he recently had a colonoscopy you know

15:40

maybe you know a phantom pain of

15:42

a recent colonoscopy. Oh interesting.

15:44

The wild thing about like

15:47

I am I mean I'm a

15:50

massive believer in ghosts but I

15:52

I'm not like a viewer of these shows. When

15:55

I met him though I was like oh

15:57

this is a genuine this is this this

15:59

really. It's very genuine to me. This

16:02

seems like, this doesn't seem like

16:04

a snake oil salesman. This seems like

16:06

someone very much experiencing

16:09

this and just has a

16:13

kind of more transparent boundary

16:15

I guess to the spirit world than I do. I

16:19

believe him. Me too. He's

16:21

on a lot of different TV shows. Some

16:24

of the other shows that this guy has been

16:26

on is dead famous, psychic

16:28

kids, and a

16:30

bunch of different haunted

16:32

Scotland. He's constantly... And I get

16:34

fan mail for the... Do

16:38

you open it? Not snail mail,

16:40

but fan messages. But then

16:42

I have to give them to him. Yeah.

16:45

So tell me your thoughts on Ghost.

16:48

You say you're a big believer. Oh,

16:50

big time. Yeah, no, I've been so

16:52

afraid my whole life. When

16:58

I was young especially, I was

17:00

the kid sprinting into my... Every

17:03

time the lights would go out, I would sprint down

17:05

the hallway into my parents' bedroom. I

17:08

still to this day am a shower curtain puller and

17:11

see what's in there. Do you know

17:13

what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Like

17:15

if it's shut and you go in the bathroom. Yeah, yeah. I'm

17:17

always pulling it back. I'm always pulling

17:19

the shower curtain back. I never... And

17:22

I'm always expecting... Well,

17:24

either a ghost or like even...

17:27

No, a ghost is

17:29

worst case scenario. Second

17:32

worst case scenario is like the guy from the Sixth

17:34

Sense. Bruce Willis? It's like a

17:36

guy in his tighty-whities in the beginning of the

17:38

Sixth Sense. It's like a... It's a worst case

17:40

scenario. It's how the Sixth... You remember that? That's

17:42

like the most horrifying part of the Sixth Sense.

17:44

Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah,

17:47

yeah, yeah. But anyway, anyway, yeah, no, the... Yeah,

17:49

I'm a big... Big believer

17:51

in ghosts. Where do you think that comes from?

17:53

Like why did you always have that fear? It

17:56

might be Catholicism. I don't think...

17:58

Ahhh! We

18:01

need like Peewee's Playhouse like when you

18:03

say the magic word or whatever because

18:06

A bucket of water falls on me? Yeah.

18:09

That always a bucket of holy water comes

18:11

out. Pig slop falls on me. Yeah.

18:14

They constantly, that

18:16

word comes up on this podcast. It's

18:18

the Catholicism. That's what did it for me. Oh,

18:21

that's how you got hooked? I think

18:23

so. But my family isn't.

18:27

I might just be more cowardly than

18:29

the rest of my family. But I don't

18:31

think this is an affliction that most of

18:34

my immediate family has. I'm

18:36

just never, I'm sure

18:38

of it. I'm sure of aliens.

18:40

I'm sure of ghosts. I'm sure of all of

18:42

it. I

18:44

think it's a certainty. Have

18:48

you had experiences? No,

18:51

no, no. It's the same thing

18:53

with cocaine. No one invites. The

18:55

ghosts don't want anything to do with me, but I know

18:57

they're there. And people that do cocaine, they never invite me

19:00

to do cocaine, but I know they're doing it sometimes. It's

19:02

that kind of a thing. Have

19:05

you ever been invited to do cocaine with people?

19:09

Have I? Yeah. Oh,

19:11

honey. I'm eight and a half years sober. The

19:13

problem was I got too many invites. What

19:17

is the vibe that you give off that site? Like

19:20

where it's like, oh yeah, yeah, let's

19:22

bring them in the bathroom. Oh,

19:25

that's interesting. Because

19:27

I've never, I've literally never,

19:29

I've never been aware until after the fact.

19:31

I'm like, oh, they would.

19:33

Oh, that was coke. Okay. Oh,

19:36

that's totally a thing where you're like, wait this

19:38

whole time. And now I'm so

19:40

far out of drugs

19:42

or alcohol that I don't even think about it.

19:44

And sometimes I'm like, that person

19:46

was so annoying. They wouldn't stop talking. And

19:49

then someone's like, they were doing coke the

19:51

whole time. But

19:55

it's interesting that you bring up like the vibe because I actually,

19:57

I think that vibes are a part of

19:59

this conversation. Like the vibe

20:01

that you give off that attracts

20:03

things to you, like that's one

20:05

of these things where you can't

20:07

physically see something, but it's like

20:09

it's an energy coming off of

20:11

something like it is paranormal or

20:14

you know along this conversation

20:16

I think. And I

20:18

used to have a cocaine vibe and now I don't. So

20:21

do you have a ghost vibe? You

20:23

know, I don't know. I really

20:25

don't. I'm very skeptical of the

20:28

paranormal. I

20:30

believe it's all 100% possible. I

20:33

think anything is possible. I just don't think

20:35

everything is a ghost. I agree

20:37

with you. I don't think everything is

20:39

a ghost. I want to. Yeah. But

20:42

I don't always think that that's the case. So

20:45

I think ghosts know that I would

20:47

freak out too much if they came at me. Well

20:51

that's nice of them. Because if I

20:53

was a ghost I'd be like watch this. This

20:56

can be fun. Yeah. He

20:58

can't take it. So let's give it to him. Yeah,

21:00

I mean I would go full catatonic. But

21:02

didn't you tell me that you had like a

21:05

sleep paralysis situation? Yeah, yeah, I did. I mean

21:07

I'm a... It's

21:09

slowed down in recent years, but I used

21:11

to be a nightly sleepwalker. That's

21:14

so scary. Yeah, I know. My

21:16

dad does it every night. He like screams

21:18

the top of his lungs. He has like

21:20

more geopolitical based night terrors where like he's

21:22

like at war with some nation

21:25

you know. He's like on the

21:27

front line and like he's... Yeah, every single

21:29

night. And it's clearly just like unchecked anxiety.

21:32

And I... Just

21:35

when I acknowledge that I have

21:37

anxiety, the sleepwalking kind of diminished.

21:40

It no longer became like a... Because I think it's

21:42

just a way for it to you

21:44

know that for it to squeak out

21:47

at night. Yeah, no, I had one

21:49

sleep paralysis situation and when I was

21:51

like probably pre-kindergarten, pre-k and

21:53

it was... When you became a psychic? When

21:56

I was right around the time I became a psychic. And

21:59

it was... It's, have you had sleep paralysis? No,

22:02

and I'm terrified.

22:05

I have not since. And it's so strange.

22:07

It exists as like a memory for me.

22:10

Like, it's not in the dream space. It's

22:12

like, oh yeah, that's just something that went

22:14

down, but it was the strangest. So it's

22:16

like, you want to hear what I'm saying?

22:19

Yes, give it to us. It

22:22

was me on my family room couch.

22:24

I was super young, and this is

22:26

pre-kindergarten, and my mom is doing laundry

22:28

right behind me. And I was watching,

22:31

I want to say Eureka's

22:33

Castle. And Eureka's

22:36

Castle went, it

22:38

went like fuzzy, fuzzy. And

22:41

I started getting

22:45

security camera footage, but

22:47

from space. So

22:49

it's like these aliens, right? But

22:52

it's like, it would cut to different

22:54

cameras. And this

22:56

is before I'd seen any sci-fi or anything.

22:59

So this is just like, maybe

23:01

the collective unconscious. Maybe, I don't know. Aliens,

23:04

keep going. And so I'm seeing these

23:07

like aliens, and they're walking slowly, closer

23:09

and closer. And it's like these cloaked things with

23:11

like these little red eyes in the center of

23:14

their faces. And they're walking

23:16

like closer and closer to two camera,

23:19

very slowly. And it keeps like

23:21

cutting to different like parts of whatever

23:23

this planet is, it just

23:25

looks like kind of like a abandoned like Home

23:28

Depot, right? I'm like, I'm so

23:30

scared. I'm so scared that they're just coming closer.

23:32

And I can't remember if they

23:34

actually come out of the TV. I don't think

23:36

they even do. But just

23:38

them approaching me is, to

23:42

this day, like one of the most terrifying things. And

23:44

I can't move, can't speak. And

23:46

like, it was different from those nightmares where

23:49

you can't move, can't speak. It's just like,

23:51

it feels experiential, like

23:53

an experience where I couldn't move

23:55

or speak. And yeah, that

23:57

was it. And then that was it. I just.

24:00

And my mom's behind me doing laundry the whole time. Do

24:03

you think you were abducted by aliens? No,

24:06

I don't. I

24:08

don't. I do think it was sleep paralysis

24:11

because I've read about... I

24:13

mean, who knows? People

24:15

say the same thing that it's like, this

24:18

happened. And I would tell you, this was

24:20

not a dream. This was

24:22

an experience. And so

24:25

maybe, I don't know. The thing

24:27

I always say about sleep paralysis, I

24:29

think both things can be true. That it could

24:31

be some kind of thing that happens to the

24:33

human body, but it could also be a paranormal...

24:39

Some people think demon visits, alien visits,

24:41

I don't know. But I think both

24:43

could happen at the same time. Oh,

24:45

God, you think it may have been

24:47

a demon visit. Yeah, like, I mean,

24:49

what a perfect to interact with

24:51

a child, you know, if you're going... If

24:53

you're gonna do it. I mean, that's so demonic.

24:57

Because they're not gonna, you know, I don't think I

24:59

had the words to really explain what went down. Wow,

25:02

you should go to a hypnotist and

25:05

have them... I have, I have, but that's never come up.

25:08

Yeah. Wow. My

25:11

friend was a hypnotherapist for a while. He was really

25:14

good. But yeah. I

25:16

mean, that is a scary story.

25:19

It was so scary. It was so

25:21

freaking scary. It was crazy. It's

25:24

like, when you're like four, maybe three

25:27

or four. I didn't start talking until

25:29

I was three either. So like, I had like six

25:31

words to my name, you know? Well,

25:33

you reminded me of some trauma

25:35

that I have. Oh, I'm

25:37

sorry. I hate to do that. No,

25:40

it's okay. When

25:42

I was young, I was

25:45

a fan of Eureka's Castle. This

25:47

TV show. Oh, yeah. If anyone

25:49

doesn't know, it was like puppets. It

25:51

took place in a castle. I don't

25:53

remember. So few things that are not

25:56

Jim Henson puppets are

25:58

ever made. And so the sea. puppets that

26:00

are in Jim Henson is one

26:02

of the most media thrilling experiences

26:05

I've had. Well, cut

26:08

to me in

26:10

Universal Studios Florida on

26:13

vacation, they say,

26:15

oh, we're going to show you where they make

26:18

Eureka's castle. And

26:20

so I peek in and I

26:22

see Eureka with her

26:24

head hanging off. Oh,

26:27

no. Oh, no. And they're like,

26:29

there's like a soldering guy with

26:31

guys with welding helmets on. And

26:34

yeah, yeah, you don't want to see that. You don't

26:36

want to see how that's how it

26:38

is made when you're a child. I

26:40

saw how Eureka's sausage was made and

26:43

it really messed me up. Yeah.

26:48

Yeah. I mean, I'm glad

26:50

to meet at least another

26:52

supporter of Eureka. And there's

26:54

not a lot of us out there. Did

26:57

you continue to be a supporter even after you

26:59

saw this? I think I did, but I never

27:01

looked at her the same again. I

27:04

knew that there was a man with

27:06

his hand under her dress the

27:09

whole time after that. I didn't know that

27:11

before. There was definitely a man. The

27:14

dragon was definitely just a guy walking,

27:16

right? Because that thing was like at

27:18

least six or seven feet tall. Probably.

27:22

Magellan, great character. Speaking

27:26

of dragon-like creatures, I

27:28

did a little bit of research and I want

27:30

to tell you about a cryptid creature. How do

27:32

you feel about these cryptids? Oh, love

27:35

them. Do you have a

27:37

favorite cryptid? Is

27:42

the haunted horseman considered a cryptid? Oh,

27:44

interesting. The headless horse. No,

27:46

that's more of a ghost story I would think. That's

27:49

more of a ghost story. I mean, I guess cryptids

27:51

what, like Bigfoot and all that stuff. I don't know

27:54

enough. I just love when they're all

27:56

lanky, when they're moving fast. Right.

28:00

Well, I like an urban cryptid like someone that you

28:02

see on like the roof of a

28:04

skyscraper in Cleveland, you know, that's the

28:07

most fun. When

28:09

there's like a cryptid on top of the Rock and Roll Hall

28:11

of Fame, that's something I can

28:13

get behind. Has that happened? No, I don't

28:15

think yet, but there are urban cryptids. I

28:17

do know that. Okay. And I assume that's

28:20

what it means. Yeah, there's, you'll hear sometimes

28:22

about like these creatures that live under the

28:24

city and... A guy working at the Cheesecake

28:27

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31:55

Well here's one that is that comes

31:57

from the south and I

32:00

mean, if you didn't believe in cryptids

32:02

before, this one will do

32:04

it for you. This is the story

32:06

of the lizard man of Scape or

32:09

Swamp. Yep.

32:12

Lay it on me.

32:14

Okay. So most of

32:16

my research comes from

32:18

discoversouthcarolina.com and also southcarolinapublicradio.org.

32:21

You mean most of your research in

32:23

general comes from that. For everything. Yeah,

32:25

mine too. So this

32:28

story, it took place just outside

32:30

of Bishopville, South

32:33

Carolina in an area called Browntown.

32:37

Come on. Have you ever gone

32:39

down to Browntown? Did middle schoolers

32:41

name this town? All right,

32:44

we'll give you one name. Like a

32:46

middle school does well. Okay,

32:48

you did well on your test. You

32:50

can name one town. Browntown! It's

32:53

not even like, I don't know

32:55

if they say it like Brownton

32:57

or something, but it's spelled Browntown.

33:01

One word. I'm sure they do. So I think

33:04

I've been to Browntown. I'm not sure. I

33:07

mean, it's 2023. I hope you've been to

33:09

Browntown. At least once in your life. You've got

33:11

to go to Browntown. So

33:14

in 1987, from

33:17

my research, the first known

33:19

sighting was by

33:21

a cyclist who was out

33:24

getting some exercise and they pulled

33:26

over to a natural well to

33:29

have a drink of water and smoke a

33:31

cigarette. And

33:34

they look up and they see

33:36

a large humanoid figure across the

33:38

street. Probably

33:40

like the most famous sighting. It

33:43

could just be a mix of like doing something

33:45

so good for your body and then something so

33:48

bad for your body that it's just kind of

33:50

create like drinking from a natural spring and then

33:52

smoking and hitting the ciggy. Some kind

33:54

of hallucination. It's going to make you see a crypt.

33:56

It's going to make you see like a guy made

33:58

out of radishes kind of. I run

34:01

it in like an Aeropostale hat,

34:03

sprinting down the street at 45

34:05

mph. Yeah. Yeah.

34:08

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

34:12

I don't trust bikers. I don't trust... Cyclists.

34:15

Yeah. Cyclists. I'm like,

34:17

that is one thing where I understand

34:20

the grumpy old man thing of like... Get out

34:22

of the street, that kind of a thing. Yeah.

34:25

Come on, guys. But I mean, they're helping

34:27

the environment unless they're smoking. They're

34:30

helping the environment? Yeah, unless they're smoking. Okay, okay.

34:33

What's the other... What's the other brown

34:35

town sighting? Oh, this other one. This

34:37

was the early hours of June 29th,

34:40

1988. A

34:44

17-year-old boy named Christopher Davis

34:46

was driving home from work...

34:48

Beautiful name. ...near Scape or

34:51

Swamp when he blows

34:53

a tire. He

34:55

goes out to fix it, and he

34:57

hears someone running toward him. He

35:00

sees a creature with

35:02

red eyes, scaly skin,

35:05

long black claws with three

35:07

fingers around seven feet tall

35:10

that appeared wet. Yes.

35:12

He jumps into his car for

35:14

safety, and the lizard

35:16

man attacks his car, ripping

35:19

off the mirror and tearing

35:21

up the roof. Oh. Now,

35:24

honestly, I think

35:28

he just fucked up his car

35:30

and needed a good story, or

35:33

he got caught cheating, and he was

35:35

dating a young Carrie Underwood, and

35:38

she dug the

35:40

key into the side. And...

35:43

Yeah. Took the bat

35:46

to the right. But to give it

35:48

a little bit more validity,

35:51

he did do a sketch that

35:54

he presented, I believe,

35:56

to police. Mm-hmm. And,

35:58

Jihua, could you throw up this sketch? for anybody

36:00

listening you can I'll post this on

36:03

our Instagram at ghosted by Roz

36:06

there it is this is the photo

36:09

yeah that's

36:11

a I was buying

36:13

it until I saw the sketch now you might

36:15

just be a horrible

36:17

artist but yeah

36:20

if you gave me 10 seconds

36:23

to like bullshit a cryptid this is what

36:25

I would this is what I would do

36:29

well that's another thing is like you

36:32

know it's like it's like movies with aliens like why can't

36:34

an alien just be like a cube once in a while

36:36

like why does it always just look like like

36:38

that because it's what they really look like

36:41

no you're right that you okay so that

36:43

makes me more I think it helps the

36:45

case that they always look the same that

36:47

is a really good point that is a

36:49

really good point picture it

36:52

looks kind of like an alien

36:54

he forgot to draw the feet yeah

36:57

you know it's not a great maybe he didn't see

36:59

the feet he probably didn't see this yeah I don't

37:01

really unless he's a foot guy

37:03

he's not gonna be you know glancing at

37:05

the at those dogs right he's gonna be

37:07

looking more at the claws and more and

37:09

more at you know the

37:11

scales and you know what sold it for me

37:14

the fact that it was wet because unless this

37:16

guy was like a creative writing major you know

37:18

it like you dubs or something like he's

37:21

not gonna come up with that he's not

37:23

gonna be thrown around wet this is just

37:25

this is just a civilian in brown town

37:27

so I completely and the fact that this

37:29

car was you say was scratched up yeah it

37:31

was legitimately like

37:34

it looked like it was trying to get

37:36

into the roof of the car like smashing

37:38

it in so unless he wasn't driving through

37:40

the briar patch you know I I

37:45

believe that this wait was it say

37:47

underneath the pie it says the picture

37:49

of what attack attack

37:53

Christopher Davis and then

37:55

Christopher Davis signed it It's

38:00

a beautiful signature. Yeah, it's

38:02

really a great piece here. Yeah.

38:05

So, you know, he also could have maybe flipped

38:08

his car and that's why the ceiling, or the

38:10

roof was... Looked like a lizard

38:12

had gotten through it? But okay, so anyway.

38:15

So a cryptid, the difference between a

38:17

cryptid and a ghost is cryptids are

38:19

on our, like, they're like matter, right?

38:22

They're like, you could hold on to a cryptid.

38:25

You could share a bed with a cryptid.

38:27

You could, but nobody ever has. Um,

38:29

the... Grimace

38:32

is a cryptid and... Grimace is a great cryptid. The

38:38

rest of the gang are paranormal. Although

38:40

Grimace has been captured on film many

38:42

times and most of these have not.

38:46

Okay. Um, right, right, right, right. But

38:48

listen, because I am somebody with a

38:50

very open mind, I do

38:52

like to entertain the thought that these

38:54

magical creatures are not just

38:57

like animals that haven't been

38:59

discovered. They can go

39:02

invisible like a ghost or they can teleport

39:04

to another planet. I don't know. I don't

39:06

know. They have like incredible vertical leap where

39:08

you don't even have to run. Like

39:10

you could just... Whatever it is, it

39:13

is very superhuman and beyond

39:15

our comprehension. Some of my fanbase

39:18

has described me as a cryptid.

39:22

Okay, so back to the story. Back

39:25

to cryptids. Two weeks after the

39:27

incident with Christopher, a

39:30

report of a car parked at a home had

39:32

its fender ripped off. Here we go. It looked

39:34

like it was chewed off. Here we go. The

39:37

antenna was bent. Remember antennas

39:40

on cars? There were deep

39:42

scratches in the car

39:44

and the chrome trim also appeared to

39:46

be chewed off. Suspicious.

39:49

Oh, completely. So this is a car

39:52

scratch encrypted. Intuing. I

39:54

mean, I don't really know what

39:56

its motivations are. Maybe it

39:59

eats cars. I honestly, I don't know.

40:02

He or she is a car eater. Well, that's

40:04

the thing. They do call it the lizard man, and I

40:06

know it was a different time, but couldn't

40:09

he have stopped and asked the pronouns?

40:12

Honestly, the behavior is pretty male, what you're

40:15

describing, I think. I know

40:17

eating a fender is a. One

40:20

of the most masculine things I've

40:22

ever heard, actually. Me too, yeah.

40:24

Yeah, yeah, that's very, very, very

40:26

masked. I assume the,

40:28

yeah, I understand the assumption. Same

40:31

summer, there was many cars, many

40:34

calls that were made of cars

40:36

being attacked, and police

40:39

apparently made a plaster

40:41

mold of a three-toed

40:43

footprint. And

40:46

then the summer ended and it was done. That

40:48

was it. And over

40:50

the years, there was a few little reports

40:52

here and there, but then, in 2015, a

40:57

woman took a photo that she

41:00

claimed was the lizard man. Here

41:02

we go. On her way

41:04

home from church on her cell

41:06

phone. Jihua, can you pull up

41:08

this picture? This will also be

41:10

on our Instagram under episode stuff,

41:13

which is a story highlight on

41:15

the page. There it is. This

41:19

woman, Sarah, believes

41:22

that she had captured the

41:25

lizard man of, what

41:27

is it, swamp, snake

41:29

or swamp, what's it called? I went

41:31

to a Halloween party and there was

41:33

a nice, older gay

41:36

couple there that just moved to town

41:38

from Houston and one of them was

41:40

wearing this. I'm telling you, this is

41:42

exactly the costume that

41:45

this man was wearing at

41:47

this Halloween party. Yeah,

41:49

yeah, just like a ripped, like a

41:51

sleet stack, like a ripped sleet stack.

41:53

Well, maybe it's a thing he does.

41:56

Maybe he was in Browntown,

41:58

maybe this older gay man. And

42:02

was he older or did I just make that

42:04

part up? No, no, no, he was, he was.

42:06

This is so funny, this picture. This is like,

42:10

there's no way in hell that

42:12

this cryptid is going, is moving

42:15

through the world, not being perfectly

42:17

photographed and felt like, this is

42:19

so, this lizard is completely yoked.

42:21

Oh my God, it is so

42:23

buff. He has no, he's

42:25

so buff that he has no flexibility

42:27

in his neck. So his face is

42:29

pointing forward at all times. He can

42:31

barely move his upper body. There's no

42:33

way this guy is escaping any

42:36

camera in the modern age. He looks

42:38

like he would eat chrome fenders. See,

42:40

that's true. He does look like he

42:43

lives off of, subsists off of Mazda

42:45

fenders and Honda Accords. It

42:47

does look like he needs that. Yeah,

42:50

so, oh, and anyone

42:52

that's just listening, it's basically just a

42:55

very buff looking, I mean, it looks like it's

42:57

from, it looks like it's from like a 90s.

43:01

Land of the Lost. Power Rangers

43:03

or yeah. Exactly. Some kind of

43:06

man in a suit situation. Or

43:09

was it real? I don't know. Well,

43:11

this is certainly like, you could rent this

43:13

costume from a party city in the Midwest,

43:15

you know, this is like, but

43:19

why would they have it? Why would this costume

43:21

exist, I guess? But

43:24

what is strange is that a

43:26

day earlier, there was

43:28

a man that also reported seeing

43:30

what looked like an alligator with

43:32

a short nose and long legs

43:34

scampering in the area. This

43:37

would be a good opportunity to make like,

43:39

oh, that was my ex-wife, kind of a

43:41

joke, you know. Oh, was my ex-wife a

43:43

dog? Sounds

43:46

like my mother-in-law. Yeah, yeah,

43:48

I don't wanna do that, but it sounds, I wish

43:50

I would. Well, sometimes you just have to. It's just

43:52

part of the rules. A third person

43:54

could do that. Isn't this interesting

43:56

about, like, this is funny. This image

43:58

is funny, because the, listen. or disjacked. Why

44:01

is it scarier if something is

44:03

skinny? Like why is it like

44:05

this could do more damage than

44:07

a skinny, like more physical

44:09

harm most likely than a skinny thing,

44:12

but a skinny thing does more psychological,

44:14

creates more climate of fear for me. What's

44:16

that all about? Oh, isn't

44:19

that interesting? Maybe because it's closer

44:21

to a skeleton and skeletons are

44:23

scary. And

44:26

maybe now, like in

44:29

the modern age, like very few

44:31

of us have like acts like we're

44:33

not really afraid of predators, you know,

44:35

like that, like the size of something

44:37

doesn't really I mean, like, I

44:39

mean, like a T-Rex or something, I say predator, I

44:42

don't mean like, of course, predators, but I

44:44

mean, like, I mean, like, like

44:46

a vicious, something large that

44:48

could do damage. It's almost like something

44:50

skinny, like getting in your chimney or something

44:52

is almost worse. I don't know. Right.

44:56

Yeah, I don't know. It's like,

44:59

there's something just so creepy about

45:01

like a Slender Man or

45:03

something. Yeah, right, right, right. What is it?

45:05

Because it seems like it has powers

45:08

or something. And this just

45:10

looks like some

45:13

like super buff aggro

45:15

looking guy like,

45:17

oh, shut up, like, maybe

45:19

it's right. Like this guy would, he

45:21

would find a community, you know, maybe

45:23

there's something scarier about like a giant

45:25

skinny. Oh, yeah. In the woods like

45:27

what's he up to like he, this

45:29

guy's going to go to the equinox

45:31

and exchange numbers on day one with

45:33

some guys. Oh, you know, for

45:36

sure. The skinny one

45:38

who's seven foot tall in the woods.

45:41

That's going to be that's going to be maybe a longer

45:43

journey to.

45:47

So that's kind of scarier.

45:50

Yeah. What's he up to? Yeah,

45:53

what are you doing out there? It's like a weird

45:55

emo teenager. Exactly.

45:58

I get that. So

46:00

the lizard man of swamp, what's

46:02

that? The lizard man? Of

46:05

scape or swamp. Scape

46:07

or swamp. Yeah. From

46:09

Browntown. Okay. We

46:12

do a segment here. I love that. On

46:14

the show where I like

46:16

to look up dolls that are

46:18

currently being sold on

46:22

eBay. Great. That are

46:24

allegedly haunted. Okay. It's

46:27

time for a segment I like

46:29

to call The Dolls Are Listening.

46:34

Does that make them cheaper or more expensive? Well,

46:38

listen, I've seen thousands in my

46:41

day. And to me

46:43

personally, when they're cheaper, it seems

46:46

more legit. But I

46:50

don't know. I've seen them for literally $50,000.

46:53

I've seen them for $1. So

46:55

they really run the whole gamut.

46:58

If it's haunted by a nuisance, that's

47:00

going to be the dollar. If it's haunted by FDR. You

47:03

would think. Okay.

47:07

Yes, FDR. You would think, yes. Which

47:11

reminds me, I forget if we've ever talked about

47:14

this on the podcast. There

47:18

is a TV commercial from the 80s. It's

47:22

one of those like 1-800

47:24

psychic commercials. And

47:27

it's to find out what celebrity

47:30

is in your pet. Miscleo. No,

47:33

this is like pre-miscleo. Oh, gosh dude.

47:35

But it's specifically to find out what

47:38

celebrities are in your pets.

47:41

Because as we know, every

47:43

pet is a composite of

47:45

different celebrities. Yeah, it's like

47:48

which historical figure is

47:51

inside of your pet as

47:53

a ghost. I

47:56

want that job so bad. Every

47:59

chihuahua is Genghisqa. obviously I would

48:02

so I would look

48:04

at someone's ferret and

48:07

be like it's Lizzie

48:09

Borden yeah I'm

48:11

afraid I'd see Eisenhower in every in every

48:13

animal and then and then they'd be like

48:16

I don't go to don't go to Chris

48:18

he just thinks everyone he just he's still

48:20

get paid either way it's yeah he just

48:23

says Ike I just

48:25

on every one of them okay okay

48:28

so this haunted doll yeah is not

48:30

no famous historic figures that we know

48:32

of okay jee-haw

48:34

can you pull up this doll for us please

48:38

meet Cory oh

48:43

hi Cory Cory has sort of

48:45

a clown costume on and is

48:47

like an aeropromorphic

48:49

cat yes

48:52

doll if cats was

48:54

this it would have been a box office

48:56

success it actually would have survived people would

48:58

have broken quarantine to see this you

49:01

know seriously circus cats they really

49:03

missed out this is so good

49:05

now Cory is very popular Cory

49:07

has got 16 bids and $41

49:10

is currently what we're at right

49:16

now so they're really

49:18

there's people that seems fair these people are

49:20

interested in Cory but they don't want to

49:22

spend too much money so I think there's a

49:24

lot of $35 how about $36 how about 37 whatever

49:26

these people they're going

49:30

crazy for Cory Cory is definitely

49:32

haunted by a guy that just wants to hang

49:34

out all the time you know that's a guy

49:36

that's gonna want to watch a movie with you

49:38

and watch and laugh while looking at you directly

49:41

what's interesting to make you laugh

49:43

interesting that you say this because

49:45

Cory comes with a biography hmm

49:48

it's kind of a long one I don't

49:50

have time for all of this but I got time okay

49:55

it says meet Cory he

49:58

came in my possession When

50:01

a friend of mine who started collecting

50:03

haunted vessel items She

50:07

got Corey actually from a

50:09

Goodwill She would

50:11

tell me all about Corey and the stuff

50:14

that he would do and she couldn't handle

50:16

him anymore And I told her I have

50:18

never come across a vessel that I could

50:20

not tolerate Well, I guess this

50:23

was the first one Whoever

50:25

gets Corey has to be

50:27

someone who can tolerate his

50:29

obnoxious self. Oh my god

50:32

Corey loves to cuss you out

50:36

You could say he has a very

50:38

potty mouth. Wait, wait, so Corey's just

50:41

Corey's just talking I Guess

50:44

so Corey's a unique

50:46

vessel. Not only does

50:48

he get my other

50:50

vessels going Oh My

50:52

god, he just won't

50:54

stop get my other vessels

50:56

going He's

51:00

got my other vessels going Doesn't

51:04

sound like what I think this person

51:06

means to say no sounds like a

51:08

Rolling Stones song Let

51:11

me tell you a little bit about Corey so

51:14

Corey you walked by Corey Corey just like Fuck

51:17

you So

51:19

you stupid fucking bitch you

51:22

suck What are

51:24

you even doing? So

51:27

let me tell you a little bit about

51:29

Corey he knows how to leave his vessel

51:32

and move into other things he oh Why

51:35

are people gonna buy this? Well,

51:37

that's what I'm wondering first of all How

51:40

can you sell this? Cuz

51:43

I like why wouldn't Corey get out of the

51:45

vessel before you sell it and stay and be

51:48

inside of a Kleenex box or something How

51:51

could on proof of purchase? How do you know Corey's in

51:53

there? You better keep

51:55

your feet you need to scan

51:57

to make sure there needs to be some kind of

51:59

test to make sure sure Cory's in there before. You're

52:01

right, because you could just be

52:03

buying Cory's vessel. I think my suggestion

52:06

would be when Cory arrives, start

52:10

cussing it out and see if you

52:12

get any replies. Yes. Yeah, otherwise,

52:15

Cory's probably in a parking meter

52:18

outside the original house, the real Cory.

52:21

Cory's just taking different vessels. It

52:23

says that he knows how to

52:26

actually leave your house and likes to make visits

52:28

to your neighbors. If

52:30

you have alcohol in your house, I suggest you

52:33

keep it under lock and key. You

52:36

always will know when Cory has gotten

52:38

into your liquor cabinet. Cory's a boozer?

52:41

You will know, because your house

52:43

will smell like alcohol. And

52:45

believe it or not, if you pass

52:47

by him, he will have a shitty-looking

52:50

grin on his face. But

52:56

I first got Cory, even after everything

52:58

my friend told me about him, he

53:00

was very calm. Some of the stuff.

53:03

Cory looks sober to me. Yes,

53:06

I think when this picture was taken. But you know,

53:08

it was before he got into the liquor cabinet. OK.

53:13

So it says, I

53:15

would hear, this sounds

53:17

like originally, I would hear a cat

53:21

meowing, scratching on the

53:23

walls, and I would find loose hair

53:25

on the floor. I didn't think anything

53:28

of it at first. I treated Cory

53:30

like he was a haunted vessel cat

53:32

doll. OK, yeah, I'm sure it seems

53:34

normal. It seems reasonable. Yeah. You

53:38

would think he was a cat. That's how I

53:40

would treat Cory, too. You would think he was

53:42

a cat until one night out of the blue,

53:44

he was sitting on my shelf. And

53:47

I saw a shadow behind him on

53:49

the wall as clear as day. It

53:51

was a man, silhouette. I

53:53

tried to ask Cory, why

53:56

did he pick this vessel, and he

53:58

never said nothing. Corey is

54:01

very active at night. There

54:03

has been many times where he would

54:05

leave our home. I love that this

54:07

is the pitch to buy Corey. Listen,

54:11

there's so much more to it. Buy him. He's very active

54:13

at night. I

54:16

can't read all of this. It's too much. There's a

54:18

lot of punctuation and

54:20

spelling errors here. So

54:22

there's at least 16 people that are interested. After

54:24

reading this, they're saying, sign me up for this.

54:28

Oh, there's people that are like, I like a cocktail

54:30

and I got a potty mouth. Give

54:32

me Corey. One

54:34

thing I will say in here, it says

54:36

he likes to open lights.

54:40

And when you watch TV to flicker the

54:42

lights on and off, he makes your TV

54:44

go out every now and then. And then

54:46

your cell phones can ring in the middle

54:48

of the night. When you answer it, you

54:50

hear a laugh. Oh,

54:53

my God. So he

54:55

has Verizon access. I do

54:57

not want this in my life. I

54:59

feel even I feel

55:01

like I'm even too close to Corey right now.

55:03

Like we're having a laugh

55:06

about Corey. If I get a

55:08

call in the middle of the night, I am

55:10

going to be so drunk. Yeah,

55:12

Corey's going to actually I think I did

55:14

do a couple of shows with Corey at

55:16

the Elysian one. Now

55:20

that I'm looking at him. Yeah,

55:24

he's pretty cool. Yeah, he's

55:26

the oldest of old comedians.

55:29

Yeah, yeah, he doesn't

55:31

even use the mic. Oh,

55:33

no, he doesn't need it. No. Okay,

55:36

let's do another thing

55:38

we do every week on the show. You

55:41

want to hear some ghost voices? Okay,

55:45

it's time for EVPs

55:48

or EVP.

55:52

Have you ever heard the term EVP? No, what's an

55:55

EVP? This is one of

55:57

these things that the other Chris Fleming.

56:00

I thought we were booking. Would

56:03

know all about. This is electronic voice

56:05

phenomenal. He'd be insulted by that by

56:07

that question. Yeah,

56:11

yeah he would. Okay,

56:13

electronic voice. Phenomenal. So

56:16

essentially this is something

56:18

very popular on these ghost hunting shows

56:20

and it's

56:23

basically anytime somebody captures

56:25

a ghost speaking. Is

56:27

Grimes an EVP? Pretty

56:30

much. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Grimes

56:33

is an EVP. Yeah

56:35

Grimes, I would say Classifies

56:38

as. It's like an EVP that took

56:41

the body of a Canadian the way

56:43

that Corey is now occupying a cat

56:45

vessel. A cat. Also

56:48

if Corey's a man just like a

56:50

ghost man think

56:52

about how demented he is if he sees

56:54

a cat doll wearing a clown suit and

56:57

goes. This

56:59

will be my home. Oh hell

57:01

yeah. It just feels like yep,

57:04

that's me. You see

57:06

anything in the world you but then

57:08

know that that is the rock. I

57:10

actually whoa. I just got an update

57:12

from TMZ. Elon

57:15

Musk is engaged to Corey the

57:17

cat doll. It's

57:21

his new wife. Oh my

57:23

god. And the name of the

57:25

baby is just a cell phone call in the

57:28

middle. Fuck you. I'm

57:30

Corey. Fuck you. Wake

57:34

up. So

57:42

here's some ghost voices for you. Oh, yeah.

57:44

Yeah this first one. Actually

57:49

both of these come from the same source. Mm-hmm, which

57:51

is worse Lee paranormal

57:55

ghost. Paranormal

57:58

group they are the

58:00

UK and they posted

58:02

a video with

58:04

a couple of different EVPs. I think

58:06

they're good. I

58:09

trust, I don't think British people have time to

58:11

lie. So I

58:14

really, if they're British, I believe it. I

58:16

do too, especially when it comes

58:18

to ghost stuff because the ghosts

58:20

are so old there. Ghosts

58:23

have been a part of that culture for

58:25

a long time. I just, I don't know,

58:27

I trust them. But this

58:30

was taken at the

58:32

John Rylands Library in

58:34

Manchester. What

58:37

is this ghost saying? Could

58:41

you hear it? Yeah,

58:46

can you play one more time? That's

58:52

a ghost? Oh God. So that's like

58:54

what, like, I just got a

58:56

little shoulder shake. I mean, just think about

58:58

this. They're recording, no one's

59:00

talking, and then they play it back

59:02

and they hear, I play it again.

59:12

She's saying like trust something, trust,

59:18

try singing. Is that what you

59:20

said? Totally. Try singing. Try singing.

59:23

Well, that's not what worse,

59:25

worsely paranormal group on YouTube

59:28

believes. I'm going to give

59:30

you four options here. One of these is the

59:32

answer that they believe. Is

59:35

it A, trabian?

59:39

Oh God, a French, like, like, that sounds

59:41

like a French 101 student. Okay. Totally. And

59:44

then the other one is the third one, the

59:46

ninth grade French. Is it B,

59:48

tracy Ann? Tracy

59:50

Ann, I don't know. Maybe it's that

59:52

ghost. Great name. I love the name

59:54

Tracy. Tracy Ann, that would

59:56

be like a southern American ghost though, right? Tracy

59:58

Ann. That is kind of it

1:00:01

is yeah, maybe Tracy Ann is from

1:00:04

Brown Town Is

1:00:07

it see try me yeah

1:00:11

My own I mean try me.

1:00:13

Yeah, I heard try me.

1:00:15

Yeah, absolutely wait one more. Is it

1:00:17

D? trasma

1:00:21

Maybe they like trasma. Ooh, la la

1:00:24

could be trasma Okay,

1:00:26

let's hear it again you think that it's

1:00:29

try me yeah They

1:00:34

believe it is Tracy Ann Let

1:00:38

me play it again now that we know that oh Yeah,

1:00:42

no I hear southern twang now Yeah, so it sounds

1:00:44

like a southern head that kind of like a thought do

1:00:47

you hear that like a southern ghost? Yeah, like a

1:00:49

southern girl was on vacation in England

1:00:51

studying abroad At

1:00:53

the library and a book fell on her The

1:01:01

average American southerner just

1:01:03

seeing all those books died instantly

1:01:05

Just the idea like oh, this

1:01:07

is too much knowledge. I'm Doing

1:01:11

for this just being in

1:01:13

yeah, their brain just completely andeurysm.

1:01:15

Yeah. No I buy that

1:01:18

tricea tricea Nice

1:01:20

to meet you Well

1:01:22

bless your heart How old do

1:01:24

you think Tracy Ann is like 1920? I? Would

1:01:28

say probably 19. That's not a

1:01:30

college kid. Yeah, I see a

1:01:32

I'm Tracy Ann. That is so

1:01:34

creepy. Oh I

1:01:36

am I'm here's another creepy one. I got

1:01:38

one more for you. I'm so creeped out

1:01:41

by that. Oh, yeah good good I like

1:01:43

being creeped. This is from the same

1:01:45

group and This is

1:01:47

at a place called melody pop in Bolton

1:01:50

I think it's like a

1:01:53

dance Studio or something.

1:01:55

I don't know I was trying to Google um had

1:01:58

a Panera This

1:02:01

is from the Chili's to go. This

1:02:04

is from the Chili's where

1:02:07

you park to pick up the food. Okay, alright.

1:02:10

You know what? Sometimes I

1:02:12

hear stories about places like that being haunted.

1:02:14

Why not? Totally, totally.

1:02:16

Why not? Why not? Why

1:02:19

not? Okay, what is this ghost

1:02:21

saying? Okay,

1:02:27

there's some beats going on. I can't

1:02:29

handle that. I think the machine that

1:02:31

Chili's is going off and you can

1:02:33

hear the beats all the time. Oh,

1:02:37

that is so scary because that

1:02:39

sounds like an evil ghost. Tracy

1:02:41

Ann at least is just like,

1:02:44

how y'all doing? That

1:02:47

sounds like, play it back again. Did

1:02:55

I hear tits? A guy saying tits? Show

1:02:59

me your tits. I

1:03:01

kind of hear tits in there as well. I

1:03:04

think he's complimenting tits. Wait, let's play it

1:03:07

again. Oh,

1:03:12

yeah, something about... Or

1:03:15

no, I heard like, no, not the tits.

1:03:21

I think it's... What do you like most

1:03:23

about her, Greg? No.

1:03:28

He's like, oh, progress with... No,

1:03:31

telling his friends, no, it's not about the

1:03:33

tits. It's

1:03:35

about the mind. It's

1:03:40

her wit. You know, that might

1:03:42

be what it is. I

1:03:44

have some other options, but I like

1:03:46

this. I like this ghost

1:03:48

because all you hear about is ghosts

1:03:51

sticking their fingers on people's butts and,

1:03:53

you know, these days. All you hear

1:03:55

about now is ghost tautologists. To

1:03:59

hear a ghost... talk like that. I really

1:04:01

appreciate that. Yeah, me too. So that

1:04:03

is not what they believe. Okay.

1:04:06

Did they think it was A, hello,

1:04:10

I'm in debt

1:04:12

because I'm bad.

1:04:15

Oh, he

1:04:17

said I'm in bed because

1:04:19

I'm bad. I'm in debt

1:04:21

because I'm bad. They just

1:04:23

can't stop spending. And budget

1:04:27

properly. Oh my God,

1:04:29

I'm in debt because I'm bad. Oh

1:04:31

my God. It's like a red light

1:04:33

district, with

1:04:36

a financial kink. Oh my God. Okay.

1:04:38

Yeah. Or it's like me when I

1:04:40

get on eBay late at night, looking

1:04:42

at these damn haunted dolls. And I'm

1:04:44

just like, I need to get my

1:04:46

life together and I need to stop

1:04:48

spending. I don't spend money on

1:04:50

haunted dolls, but I'm, oh my

1:04:52

God, the stuff that I will look at.

1:04:54

And I'm like, now I'm in debt because I'm

1:04:57

bad. But there's like

1:04:59

a financial kink to that. The

1:05:04

ghost saying that I'm in debt

1:05:06

because I'm bad. Oh my God,

1:05:08

that's so creepy. Okay. What's in

1:05:10

there? Is it B, hello. Isn't

1:05:13

that Elizabeth? Is

1:05:16

it C, hello.

1:05:19

I'm a dead listener. Oh,

1:05:23

or is it D, hello.

1:05:26

Am I Ted Lasso? Okay.

1:05:30

It's one of those. I'm going to play it again. I'm

1:05:40

afraid it might be the Ted Lasso. They

1:05:44

believe it is C, hello.

1:05:46

I'm a dead listener. I'm

1:05:49

a dead listener. Oh God,

1:05:51

that is so scary. I'm

1:05:53

a dead listener. Here

1:05:55

we go. Oh,

1:06:00

yeah, he like cuts out on the L but like

1:06:03

yeah, I could totally see that I mean, it's a I

1:06:06

mean I are ghosts that reductive about

1:06:08

themselves, you know It's

1:06:12

always a question like do they know they're

1:06:14

dead I think some do do they still

1:06:16

like tits It's like pretty on-the-nose thing to

1:06:19

be like I'm a dead listener.

1:06:21

That is so scary. Well, let me

1:06:23

tell you speaking of tits Yeah, I

1:06:25

was at a haunted strip club

1:06:27

in Las Vegas Oh the

1:06:29

TV show I'm on could living for the dead

1:06:31

on Hulu in America Disney Plus all

1:06:33

around the world Wait, right. Do you

1:06:35

know that? Okay, I need to see this TV. I'm

1:06:38

sorry. I'm so behind the times. I need to see

1:06:40

this show It's okay But

1:06:42

so cool should totally check it out But we

1:06:44

went to this haunted strip club and at one

1:06:46

point we were asking the ghost like they

1:06:49

were asking like What do you like and we heard

1:06:51

through a machine? tats

1:06:53

and Then it later like a

1:06:55

couple of seconds later was like ass And

1:06:59

I swear to God this goes at the haunted

1:07:01

strip club loved tits and ass It's

1:07:05

like what else is there though? You know

1:07:07

like that either that's not If

1:07:09

you're gonna ask it goes to the strip club, how

1:07:12

much more creative can they get? It's all they

1:07:14

see all day. So It's

1:07:17

sort of like When you

1:07:20

like Jan Brady like George Glass

1:07:23

like she's like looking around and sees

1:07:25

a glass glass like the same thing

1:07:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah the usual

1:07:30

stuff Yeah,

1:07:34

yeah, exactly he probably doesn't like any of

1:07:36

it is what that answer actually tells

1:07:39

me Yeah If

1:07:41

he had said like honestly right now I've been here

1:07:43

so long belly buttons are kind of doing it for

1:07:45

me Like that's a ghost or

1:07:47

I look at an elbow like you just

1:07:50

look at it the way it moves And

1:07:53

it's called a weenus for a reason. I mean that You're

1:07:56

not gonna throw a filthy name like that on something

1:07:58

that's not a Raja that

1:10:00

witchcraft. Yeah. I

1:10:02

think that, yeah, I so believe in that. I,

1:10:05

um, and again, exactly the same

1:10:07

thing as just not being invited to coke,

1:10:09

you know, to do coke. It's like, um,

1:10:12

no, that's not true. I have actually been

1:10:14

invited to some witchy things. Uh, that is

1:10:16

not true, people. Witches are, have

1:10:18

been actually pretty welcoming of me, but again,

1:10:20

the Catholic in me is very afraid of

1:10:23

losing, losing the big guys,

1:10:25

uh, big guys paper.

1:10:28

But I mean, yes. Okay.

1:10:30

I understand why stuff

1:10:34

like that seems scary to certain

1:10:37

people, like based on your upbringing

1:10:39

or whatever, but there's

1:10:41

so many similarities, the more you

1:10:43

get to know it. And absolutely.

1:10:46

And I think all things can be used for good

1:10:48

or bad. And well,

1:10:50

and what's the quote about witches, a witch is

1:10:52

just someone who pays attention, you know? And I

1:10:55

feel like if you, maybe it's the same thing

1:10:57

with paranormal. Like if you just, if you strip

1:10:59

down all the stupid learn stuff and just try

1:11:01

to let

1:11:04

your intuition kind of bleed out more

1:11:06

than maybe that's a step towards whatever

1:11:08

this is. In that, in that sense,

1:11:10

I don't see that as interfering with

1:11:13

them. I

1:11:17

think God would still let you in.

1:11:19

He'd still be chill with me. Yeah.

1:11:21

He'll let you in. Don't worry. What

1:11:25

do you think of psychics, Chris

1:11:28

Fleming? Oh, so afraid. So, so

1:11:30

afraid of psychics. I mean, do

1:11:32

you believe that there's such a thing or that

1:11:34

it's real? And yes. Have

1:11:37

you been to psychics? No. Why

1:11:40

not? I'm too afraid. I'm

1:11:42

so impressionable that like something

1:11:44

like, like if they said something, clearly

1:11:47

there's bad ones. Like I, like, like my

1:11:49

friend went to one and the

1:11:52

psychic told, she was still blown away because the psychic

1:11:54

told her that her cat wanted wet food. And it's

1:11:56

like all cats want wet food, you know? I'm

1:12:02

just too afraid. Do you go to do you frequent

1:12:04

psychics? Constantly. Yeah,

1:12:08

what have you had have they changed the

1:12:10

course of your life? I

1:12:12

mean, I Swear to

1:12:14

God I've had times in my life where I'm like

1:12:17

I have a psychic problem. I need

1:12:19

to examine this I keep going to psychics how

1:12:22

often? Nowadays

1:12:24

I become friends with a lot of

1:12:26

psychics and I

1:12:29

sometimes do this shitty thing that

1:12:31

is not okay to do but

1:12:33

whatever where it's just like

1:12:36

if you have a friend that's Massage

1:12:39

therapist or a doctor or whatever where you're at

1:12:41

a party and you're like, hey, you know I

1:12:43

gotta ask you something, you know, they bringing up

1:12:45

the work thing or whatever, right? What's this? Well,

1:12:48

sometimes with my psychic friends. I go listen I

1:12:50

know you charge a lot of money

1:12:52

for your readings I charge

1:12:55

people for Laughter

1:12:58

and I've been hanging out with you a

1:13:00

lot and I've been I can't help but

1:13:02

to notice that you're laughing a lot I've

1:13:04

been noticing some giggles So

1:13:07

I've been working for free for you

1:13:09

such a good fucking point Wow

1:13:12

so I'm wondering if you could talk

1:13:14

to my dead grandma for me right

1:13:16

now and Find out

1:13:19

if I should buy this car I

1:13:24

think it's a fair trade on it. What's your

1:13:26

grandma an auto mechanic? She

1:13:28

was yeah, she was yeah Should

1:13:34

I ask her if

1:13:36

this is a good deal? Yeah, how many miles

1:13:38

said I got an oil change? Yeah Listen

1:13:44

I can't I don't know how

1:13:46

to work Google. It's too complicated. I would

1:13:48

prefer a psychic just Channels

1:13:50

my grandmother and has yeah kinds of

1:13:53

questions. Yeah for me Well,

1:13:56

I guess that concludes

1:13:58

this episode Chris This

1:14:00

has been so fun. I hope that

1:14:03

you've had a great time because I would

1:14:05

love... Oh, I've had such a wonderful time.

1:14:07

I would love to invite you back on

1:14:09

this sometime again because you really get it

1:14:11

and you're really fun. To

1:14:14

be actually... I've never

1:14:16

experienced the actual emotion of like

1:14:19

fear on a podcast, you know what I mean?

1:14:22

Besides like fear of like, oh no, this is

1:14:24

going to be released to the world. But like

1:14:26

being spooked on a podcast by a story and

1:14:28

getting chills, that's an interesting podcast right there. Was

1:14:33

it the picture of the swamp monster

1:14:35

that did it for you? No, the

1:14:37

naming of Browntown. The fact that there's

1:14:39

a town called Browntown. No, the ghost

1:14:42

voice is truly like... Do you get

1:14:44

shoulder shakes where you have to like

1:14:46

release a sholt? Like I have a thing where like... A little... Yeah,

1:14:49

that maybe it's a nose... Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:14:51

yeah. A little shimmy? But I know

1:14:53

I have such a lovely time, Roz. Aww.

1:14:56

Hey, your comedy special. Doesn't that have kind

1:14:58

of a spooky name? Yeah, it's called Hell.

1:15:01

It's adjacent. How'd you come up with that

1:15:03

name? Well,

1:15:05

I was trying to show how

1:15:07

bleak performance can be

1:15:09

and the hell, like pre-show hell, you

1:15:12

know that feeling? Like and like performing can be

1:15:14

kind of horrible, but

1:15:16

most standups make it look like it's like

1:15:19

they're fucking rockstar. And so I was like,

1:15:21

it would be funny if we did the opposite. Yeah.

1:15:24

Maybe like these kind of spooky sketches where I'm like,

1:15:27

like worst case scenarios happening before the show leading

1:15:29

up to the show and like, yeah,

1:15:31

so that was the name. And I

1:15:33

think also the Catholicism thing of this.

1:15:35

I'm constantly thinking about hell and hell

1:15:38

binary. Oh, it never leaves your

1:15:40

brain. No, it never does. You might as well embrace

1:15:42

it. I do, I do. Well, people

1:15:44

can watch that on Peacock,

1:15:46

right? That's exactly right.

1:15:48

Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna

1:15:50

watch your show, Roz. I'm gonna watch your special. I'm

1:15:53

gonna, I'm not gonna lie, I have not yet seen

1:15:55

it, but that's okay.

1:15:58

We'll do a swap. We'll do a flip flop. I'll

1:16:00

watch your thing, you watch my thing, and

1:16:02

then we'll do book reports back. Have

1:16:05

you noticed there's a, when people say, I'd like that

1:16:07

you say I'm going to watch it, when people say

1:16:09

I can't wait to watch it, it's

1:16:12

like, oh, you kind of seem

1:16:14

like you're finding a way to wait. If

1:16:16

you can't wait, it's like, oh, you can't. It's

1:16:18

been months. You've been

1:16:20

actively waiting. There's like a 0%

1:16:22

watch rate of the those who

1:16:24

just can't wait. Do

1:16:27

you find that with yours? Like, oh, I can't wait to

1:16:29

watch it. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

1:16:31

yeah, the way sometimes the wait is long.

1:16:33

And then it's like, and

1:16:36

then sometimes these people will be

1:16:38

like, I watched the stupidest reality

1:16:41

show. Yeah. This new thing last night. I

1:16:43

spent, I can't believe it. I watched two hours of

1:16:46

it. It was so bad. And then I'm like, you

1:16:49

know, I have a show you could have watched. And

1:16:51

you know me. You

1:16:53

actually know me. It's

1:16:57

so funny. It is so weird, though, how

1:16:59

I get it because it

1:17:01

is so intimate, what we choose to watch so

1:17:03

many things that we could watch. And it's so

1:17:05

intimate. Well, we actually do select like it needs.

1:17:07

I just end up watching the same thing over

1:17:09

and over again. Which is what? Heat

1:17:12

with Robert De Niro and Al Pacino. Well,

1:17:18

that'll do it. Well, we did it.

1:17:20

That'll do it. Thanks so much for doing this.

1:17:22

Wait, people, social media, whatever you want people to

1:17:24

know, say it. Yeah, yeah,

1:17:26

yeah, yeah. Chris Fleming

1:17:28

Fleming is my Instagram. Is

1:17:32

all you got it out the psychic. No, follow

1:17:34

the psychic too, because he's awesome. Yeah,

1:17:36

he's he's at Chris Fleming 91 on

1:17:38

Twitter. And I think at Chris Fleming

1:17:41

official on Instagram is his. I

1:17:46

love it. All right. Well, thank you. Thank

1:17:48

you, Ross. Thank

1:17:53

you so much to

1:17:55

Chris Fleming. God, I love

1:17:57

him. Hey.

1:18:00

Happy holidays. Stay warm

1:18:02

out there. Stay safe out there.

1:18:05

I will talk to you in two weeks. Two

1:18:07

weeks. I

1:18:11

love you all, both living and

1:18:13

dead. But if I didn't ask you to

1:18:15

haunt me, don't haunt me. Goodbye!

1:18:25

This has been an exactly right

1:18:27

production. Want to share your paranormal

1:18:30

experience on the podcast? I

1:18:32

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1:18:34

I'll even call you. So email

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senior producer is the

1:18:58

startling Jiha Lee. Associate

1:19:00

producer is the alarming

1:19:03

Christina Chamberlain. This

1:19:05

episode was mixed and sound designed by

1:19:07

the eerie Edson Choi.

1:19:10

My guest booker is the

1:19:12

petrifying Patrick Kostner. Additional

1:19:15

production support from the hair-raising

1:19:17

Hannah Kyle Crichton. My

1:19:20

theme music is by

1:19:22

the spine-chilling Brendan Lynch

1:19:24

Salomon. Artwork by the

1:19:27

spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography

1:19:30

by the terrifying Elizabeth

1:19:32

Karin. Executive produced

1:19:34

by the chilly Karen

1:19:36

Kilgareth, the spooky Georgia Hardstark,

1:19:40

and the frightening Danielle

1:19:43

Kramer.