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okay. Everything we

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know about like current

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mainstream porn I feel like is

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influenced from this topic. Yes.

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Gonzo is a

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highly influential genre. Yes.

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Predates everything. Amateur porn. Yeah.

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Like ushered in what we now know is like

3:13

amateur porn in all different kinds

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of formats. P.O.P. Yeah.

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But this was kind of the first. Yeah. The

3:21

first do it that. The first sort of like format

3:23

experimentation. And sort of

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like, I mean I don't know if this is, I mean I'm sort of,

3:27

I'm making this up I feel like. But it's, it's

3:29

been like almost a response to

3:32

like Golden Age of Porn style

3:35

of porn where it completely ignores

3:38

that. A been plot. Yeah. It

3:40

ignores plot. It ignores like

3:43

having like, it instead like focuses

3:45

more on just the sex itself. Close

3:48

up shots of action. Fewer

3:50

full body wide shots. Loose

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camera work. Like even like handheld stuff.

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Less of a production and more of like

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a no frills.

3:59

made sort of style. And

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I also I don't even actually I'm just thinking this right

4:04

now feels like

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Girls Gone Wild was probably

4:08

influenced by Gonzo. Oh,

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totally. You know, totally. Like

4:13

girls gone wild is like,

4:15

porn and made like Gonzo

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in a specific world. It's like let's go

4:19

for work. Sort of, I guess. Yeah.

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Or just like Gonzo light, you know, it's like,

4:24

let's

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go to spring break and just get girls to take their

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time. Like, let's go to Mardi Gras and see boobies

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like

4:29

Gonzo style. But like Gonzo is definitely

4:31

doing something that girls gone wild

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kind of just like ignored, copied

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and like diluted. Yeah.

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Well, I also like Gonzo

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was more I feel like because it's the porn space,

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everyone was a little bit was way more careful, you

4:44

know, and we'll talk about this later. Okay, because it's

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the porn space. I feel like people were at least like,

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you know, a little bit like, Hey, here's

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the deal. Here's what's going on. Whereas I felt like Girls

4:53

Gone Wild sort of had the air

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to it. It's like,

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these girls just did this. And like, you

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know what I mean? Like it felt a little sleazier

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for some reason. Yeah, it felt a little

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bit like I don't like those. Everyone seems pretty drunk.

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And I don't know what consent here. Yeah, girls

5:09

gone wild is like, definitely feels

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like there's a road to consent. And there's like,

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what are these girls up and get them to

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like show their right. Right. And I was struck. We'll

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talk like you said, we'll talk about it more after the break. But I

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was struck watching on the prowl, how like,

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there was a sweetness to it. Yeah, there was

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a care. Yeah, in the execution, you

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know, that I didn't expect. Uh

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huh. I mean, the name obviously gets its name from

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gonzo journalism, which is like the

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idea of like the reporter being like

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taking part of the event or like in the in the event

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itself, like being in the action. Yeah,

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which obviously, it's what happens in

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gonzo porn. It's like it puts the camera

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right into the action as opposed to like a

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sort of thing far off on a stand

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with a director behind it, you know,

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like now it's like the gun like the

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camera is also like the third person

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in the sex, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

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Now this is kind of fascinating. I don't know

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if you caught this in

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the research or like as you were prepping. Yeah.

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But there's a little bit of like, who's

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credited with starting it, you know, like there's

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a couple places where it's like, oh, well,

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obviously, Jamie Gillis will obviously john

6:17

segleana will obviously like,

6:19

yeah, I know, like, but man,

6:21

you know, like, so the main people

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in play here are yes, Adam

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Glasser, professionally known as

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Seymour, but Seymour, but who made

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a ton of gonzo stuff, and

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who also worked with john

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segleana also known as butt

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man. And yeah, they're

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like credited with starting

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gonzo. But at the same time, we also have

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Jamie Gillis,

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whose film on the prowl,

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we're going to talk about after the

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break. So like, it's a little

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bit that saying of like, who do we,

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who do we give credit to for it like blowing up?

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But it's also the thing of like, like,

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I think Jamie Gillis was like, officially

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first, and then you're like, other guys

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came along and like, kind of blew the

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roof off the house, you know, like, like, I think but man

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to build on. Yeah, yes. But man,

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I think is responsible for making it a genre.

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Yes, yes. For like proliferating

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it for like, saturating the market with putting it

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in the mainstream and also specifically, like when we

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think about mainstream porn

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now, when we think about like, Jules Jordan, like those

7:25

sort of videos, and we get those sort of like music

7:28

videos sort of start of like the introduction

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of the girls like, you know, like warming

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their bodies up like that's gonzo porn, that's

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butt man, like that was what you did.

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Yeah. And then and also specifically,

7:39

because he was obsessed with ass as an anal,

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when we think about mainstream porn, and we think

7:44

about those big oil up assets, like almost

7:46

like in like a fish eye. Yeah, this so close

7:48

up. That's gonzo. You know,

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yeah, yeah, it's a huge, she was a huge

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turning point, I think in the in the history of porn.

7:56

Yeah. And really heavily influenced the porn

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that we still see today. Yeah, worth

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noting that the Seymour Butts

8:02

won the Best Gomsos series at the 1989 and 2000 ABN

8:05

Awards too. Yeah.

8:07

Credentialed. Recognized. Yeah.

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We're talking about like late, like early, late

8:13

80s, 90s, 1989 was Adventures of Buttman. Yeah,

8:17

we should have said. And like John Stagliano was

8:19

huge. He also was

8:21

like a mentor and producer with

8:23

Tristan Tarmino for her video

8:25

series of The Ultimate Guy to Anal Sex for Women.

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He started Evil Angel,

8:31

you know. There are some allegations about him that

8:33

we should mention. This

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person does not have a

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squeaky clean reputation by any means.

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There are some sexual abuse allegations

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against Stagliano that we take very seriously.

8:46

For sure. No surprises

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there. Unfortunately, like

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people be in the porn space splitting

8:53

their

8:53

power. Obviously we don't like Caesar

8:55

allegations. We're not going to say we know what happens. I

8:57

also kind

8:58

of wonder, I don't know, this is getting

9:00

like, oh, but like

9:01

people who are in the industry

9:05

for a while, I'm like, do they like lose

9:07

the boundary? Like there obviously are people who

9:09

don't do this, but like something

9:11

happened where they're like, they get sort

9:13

of like lost and they're like, oh, I can

9:15

just touch. You know what I mean? Like,

9:18

absolutely. Absolutely. I think

9:20

that I can very much see that happening, especially if

9:22

you're making Gonzo style. Right.

9:25

And that's where like consent is a little slippery,

9:27

it's rushed. It's like, and you're kind

9:29

of used to just being like, Hey, I'm going to take this. I'm going

9:31

to put my hand on this. I'm going to be involved in this. I've been doing

9:34

it for 30 years. And that's almost like what you're used

9:36

to. And just kind of grabbing at stuff that like,

9:38

you just the expectation that like that,

9:40

yeah, that erodes consent. Absolutely. Yeah.

9:44

And the expectation is like, everybody should know that I'm just going to do

9:46

that. Grab them at any given moment. Like, that's

9:48

just part of who I am. You know, like, I

9:50

could see that individual like passing

9:53

that blame along to just like, the

9:56

culture of how they exist in their world.

9:59

But yeah, that should never. actually take someone's

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consent away. I

10:03

believe that's what happened. I believe

10:06

that this person is just in a position of constantly

10:09

taking what they wanted without really

10:11

going through a sorrow consent

10:13

process. Yeah, I do. I think that's truly

10:15

what happens. It's a level of privilege. Like

10:17

Ron Jeremy. You know what I mean? I think

10:20

he's just like, I don't know. I'm like, is he

10:23

just totally forgot how to... Yeah.

10:26

And I think when you're in those spaces, you're like not

10:28

bothering with consent because you feel like it's implied,

10:31

but it should never be implied. I'm not

10:33

like giving these people a pass. I'm just trying

10:35

to figure out. Either. I think we're just getting inside

10:37

of that world. How does it happen? Going

10:39

from someone who's so well respected

10:42

and like works so often and yeah, was

10:44

one of like the, you know, where... That

10:47

happens in Hollywood too. Like you reach a

10:49

stature of power. Always like the

10:51

old guys that are just like, slap them

10:54

on the ass. And then you feel comfortable

10:56

just taking things that weren't given,

10:58

you know? And when you

11:00

have that level of power and stature and

11:03

you're in a sort of bubble of that privilege,

11:05

like there's not a lot of people around, if any,

11:08

being like, hey man, like where's the consent

11:10

here? Yeah. It's like all... Like it becomes

11:12

this like, oh yeah, of course. Like

11:15

grab her to, you know, like... And it

11:17

can happen to anyone. Like Bill Murray

11:19

just got accused for like pushing, like crossing

11:21

a boundary, you know? Oh sure. Yeah.

11:23

Like it's like, you know, these people,

11:26

typically men who

11:29

have like, you know, been around for a while and are just like,

11:31

oh wait, I... Yeah. Oh, sorry. I can't.

11:34

Sometimes women too though. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I

11:36

didn't go deep on the Lizzo allegations, but like,

11:38

yeah, if you're in like a position of power,

11:41

sometimes you throw that power around. Right.

11:43

And you just sort of forget. You know, fail

11:45

to make space for others and fail to

11:48

like really navigate consent

11:50

and fail to take responsibility

11:52

for the power

11:53

that you wield because you have to. Yeah.

11:55

Like, like just have to. Yeah.

11:57

So anyway, that's heavy.

11:59

We can move on from that. But

12:02

I do think it's good to cover it because Gonzo

12:04

does kind of,

12:06

it's loaded with dubious consent. It's

12:08

loaded with like, you're just getting out

12:11

of the car and let me grab

12:13

your tits. And it's like, I wouldn't

12:15

advise most people go along

12:17

with what's happening. And what's kind of great about the original

12:19

Gonzo, like on the prowl that we'll talk about is that

12:21

like, it's a very consenting

12:24

performer

12:25

who's female and then it's like, oh,

12:27

lucky boys, you know, like you get to come in

12:29

this car with this check. And so the dynamic is a little

12:31

less loaded and a like little

12:33

less

12:34

fraught from a power perspective. But

12:36

we'll talk about the more for the break. One last

12:38

thing I wanna say, there was this, there's

12:40

an essay called Crackers and Whackers, The White Trash

12:42

of Porn.

12:43

Constance Penley said

12:45

that John Stagliano did for anal

12:47

fetishism, what Woody Allen did

12:50

for neurosis.

12:52

Speaking of problematic people. Exactly,

12:55

which I was like, oh, that's sort of funny. An interesting

12:57

correlation. Yeah, also

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Jamie Gillis, someone that we've talked

13:02

about a lot in the Golden Age of Porn. He

13:04

was extremely prolific. He's

13:06

done so many movies. He's been in one

13:08

of the biggest movies in the Golden Age of Porn.

13:11

Yeah, which enables the Gonzo because what

13:13

you see is, people are like, oh yeah, I know you, I

13:15

know your work. You know, like, which makes

13:18

people feel more comfortable getting into a limo to

13:20

shoot something. Yeah. Doing heavy

13:22

sort of production value, a script.

13:25

Lights, camera, action, the whole thing. And

13:27

then just totally subverting

13:30

that or like going in the opposite

13:32

direction and exploring

13:34

what else porn could be, I

13:36

thought was really cool. And also, I didn't

13:39

know this, but On the Prowl inspired

13:41

a scene in Bookie Night. It did, yeah. I

13:43

was like, we should talk about this. There was an interview

13:46

with Jamie Gillis talking about like, oh,

13:48

they've like made this beautiful thing I'm

13:50

proud of into like an ugly thing. Like

13:53

it's featured in like the later

13:55

act of Bookie Nights is like

13:57

kind of a decline of these guys. Like, hey, let's just do

13:59

this shit.

13:59

like get in a car and grab her

14:02

and like that's fine and you can like fuck

14:04

this guy. Because I didn't remember that. I actually don't remember

14:06

it in Boogie Night. Yeah, I haven't watched it in a while. I

14:08

was like, oh yeah, yeah. Like it's kind of on the like

14:11

decline. You know, like it's it's like part of

14:13

the downward spiral is like where it's positioned

14:15

in the story. And I have to look at

14:17

it from like the perspective of

14:19

P.T. Anderson being like,

14:22

they're not even making movies anymore.

14:24

You know, like he's a filmmaker. I feel like

14:26

it's the judgment of like, look at this sloppy

14:29

shit. But I actually like, well, hold on a second,

14:31

because like, what Jamie Gillis was doing

14:33

was like really groundbreaking and

14:35

like unconventional and like challenging. And

14:38

so I was about to watch it because I was like, yeah,

14:40

this is a different thing than how it's depicted in

14:42

Boogie Nights. Like it has a different tone to it.

14:44

Right. For sure. But you know,

14:46

you got to make story in a movie like that. So they're gonna like

14:49

kind of skew it a certain way. But

14:51

yeah, well, let's take a break. And then we can talk about on the screen.

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Okay, so... So as promised, we're

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This was created by and stars Jamie

18:06

Gillis and also stars Renee Morgan,

18:10

a performer of the time. Do we have

18:12

a year for this? Oh, actually,

18:14

because it's a whole series. Oh, first one

18:16

is 1989. The year

18:18

I was born. This is the OG, this is the original

18:21

film of 1989. Full disclosure,

18:23

I

18:23

only watched like the first half

18:25

hour. Did you watch more of it? I didn't. I

18:27

mean, I just sort of like skipped around after the first half hour, but

18:29

like I didn't have

18:30

time to watch over an hour of worth of

18:32

porn

18:32

today, you know? I understand. Not

18:34

today. I'm not calling you out. I'm just getting

18:36

transparent with our listeners and like maybe some crazy

18:39

shit happens in the second half that we miss. Yeah,

18:41

I mean, sometimes I do watch the full hour. You

18:43

know, me. You usually do. You often do. I

18:45

can't really, the delinquent who's like, I

18:48

can't be bothered. No, it's

18:50

gonna be sexing with somebody so

18:52

I couldn't focus. That's important. Yeah. Okay.

18:55

That's important.

18:56

Priorities. Like

18:58

Jamie and

19:00

Renee and Alamo. And Linda. And

19:03

fucking Linda. And he goes, man, we got Linda

19:05

here. I don't know. You know, maybe we'll throw

19:08

her. Maybe we'll kick her out. Maybe

19:10

we'll get rid of her. Maybe we won't. Linda is the weirdest

19:13

picture of this feature. I was like, what

19:15

is Linda doing here? Is it Glinda or Linda?

19:17

I couldn't quite tell. No, it's Linda. I don't

19:19

know. She literally like looks like your

19:22

PTA mom neighbor who's like along

19:24

for the ride. Like it does not look like she's of this world.

19:27

She's not like she's happy to be here. No. I'm

19:29

like, maybe she's like the fucking production manager is like

19:31

sure, whatever. You

19:33

know, like could not figure out what she's doing there. She's holding

19:35

up the paperwork.

19:36

Yeah, exactly. She's got the release forms and it

19:38

was like checking for liability.

19:40

So we're driving around our little limo in

19:42

San Francisco. He's

19:44

going to get an espresso. I

19:46

love his dialect. Yes.

19:49

Because it is a certain time and a place that like existed

19:51

in like the sixties to the seventies that like really

19:54

died off. We lost it. We got flatter,

19:57

but it's like, oh, it like warms my

19:59

soul.

19:59

Yeah, his way of speaking, yeah, he

20:02

feels like a, he almost sounds like a 1970s broadcaster.

20:05

Yeah. He's like, I need to get an

20:08

espresso so I can make it to the night. Yeah.

20:10

He's like, fellas, we're going to try to, we're going

20:12

to take you to this car here. Yeah. This

20:15

lovely lady here, you know, you can, you can do whatever you want to her,

20:17

you know, like, I think it'll be entertaining.

20:19

If you want to do like more serious stuff, you know, we got

20:21

condoms for that. It felt very reportary

20:24

because he had a microphone. So did

20:26

he. And then they were like outside of that nightclub.

20:29

And they're like, so here we are outside of this

20:31

nightclub and maybe we'll go to a dyke bar.

20:34

Maybe we'll pick up some girls. Yeah. Yeah.

20:37

And then they get like kicked

20:39

out of the club, which I love that they like included like they're

20:42

outside of the club and the security guard's like, yo,

20:44

man, you can't be filming. Yeah. I

20:46

didn't get out of here. And he's like, oh, do I need to get here? Okay. Okay.

20:50

He's like, oh, I have to pay for this. Then I'm not doing it. Yeah.

20:52

Yeah. And then they

20:55

find the two guys on

20:57

the street and they're like, my favorite

20:59

part when he asks

21:02

us her name and

21:04

then one guy's like Sean and he's like, Sean,

21:06

he's like, no, S H a W

21:09

L L Y. No, a L Y. He's

21:12

like, shawley. Oh yeah. He's like, what kind of

21:14

a fucking name is that? Oh

21:16

yeah. I forgot how to be L Y. I forget saying

21:19

that. I'd be like, I must have been confused. What was the name was the weekend.

21:21

Name is that. Yeah. Yeah.

21:24

So then

21:28

he tells him, he's like, Hey, and like, this is where we get

21:30

the recognition where he's like, so,

21:33

you know, this is Renee and she's a professional

21:35

and they're like, yeah, I recognize

21:38

you. I know your work, you know, and he's like, well,

21:40

great. Like lovely fellas, if you want to hop

21:42

into this car here and, uh, you know,

21:44

just, uh, just fool around a bit, like whatever you want to

21:46

do. We're looking to have a good time. Yeah. And

21:48

then the first guy, he's like, so what do you, what do you think

21:51

of that? And he doesn't even say like, get the fuck out of this car.

21:53

He's like, how does that, he's almost like, how does that make you feel? Yeah.

21:56

He said, like, how do you, what do you think of that? Like, kind of a

21:58

crazy question. are looking

22:00

reaction, you know, like, yes or no, he's like, how you

22:03

feeling with the attention? And then

22:05

the first guy kind of turns

22:07

to his friend is like, I don't know, what do you say?

22:09

And then the second guy's like, no problem.

22:12

Yeah. Like a really funny

22:14

response. Like, yeah, like, no problem.

22:16

He's like, you know, and then she was

22:18

like, well, one at a time, because we're not gonna fit in the limo.

22:20

And he's like, well, we can't separate them. They're friends.

22:25

I love yeah,

22:28

so then they're all

22:29

free. We kick Linda out. Linda

22:31

like just

22:33

gets out of the car and like pleasantly smiles. And

22:35

she like, wanders down the sidewalk. And

22:38

then we get all three in the car. They're a little jammed.

22:40

And then she starts making out with

22:42

the first guy

22:43

who I think was a little more hesitant to begin with

22:45

before they sign a release. Right.

22:48

We do show footage of them signing the release. We really

22:50

talk about like, you're not gonna be credited.

22:52

But if you want to be credited, you can make up a name

22:55

like whatever you want. Right. I do love that they

22:57

showed that, you know, I think it's important.

22:59

Yeah. And he's like, you're not gonna get any money for this. Yeah.

23:02

Like, but you could probably never see it. He's

23:04

like, when is it gonna come out? Or like, or that's later, I guess.

23:06

What's gonna be? Yeah, like later? He's like, what's the call?

23:08

What's it gonna come out? Yeah, he's like, I'm messing around.

23:15

Yeah, it's gonna make it up. They're covering

23:18

their release forms. Yeah. Yeah. So smart.

23:20

It really is like you're actively seeing experiments.

23:22

Yeah. And then they start fooling around. Renee

23:25

is is the woman is kissing

23:27

the first guy. Second

23:31

guy is kind of like getting into

23:33

two. Carl, thank you. He's playing with her

23:36

chest. He's like, yeah, he starts sucking

23:38

on him. You know, he knows how to get down. He knows how to like

23:40

join in the fun. Yeah, we're getting some three

23:42

some vibes. We get Amy holding

23:45

the camera who's kind of like moaning who's into

23:47

it. He's like, Oh, yeah, he was like, Oh, this is fucking hot. Yeah,

23:49

she starts some sucking, like

23:52

going down on Carl. And yeah,

23:54

Ali is like,

23:55

sorry, he's, he's not up to the job yet.

23:58

And Jamie's like, it's okay. Bye.

23:59

Like you're not getting paid for this. You don't have to perform

24:02

like yeah, no worries. He's like you don't

24:04

have to do anything I

24:08

actually like love that part

24:10

of it. They also go on she goes on to fuck Carl,

24:12

right? He like pauses for a second like

24:14

kind of losing a boner But like it's

24:16

still doing kind of an impressive job and I

24:19

love that Jamie's like hey, man Anybody

24:21

in your shoes like what does anyone get hard? Yeah

24:24

I understand whatever get

24:26

hard. I was like, what a sweet I know,

24:28

you know, I mean like he was like a monthly

24:29

coach Yeah That's

24:32

the particular detail like that kind of thing

24:34

that I was like, this isn't how it's depicted Right, right.

24:36

Like no, it's it's really it's considerate

24:39

Oh because you can also tell like Charlie's like

24:42

embarrassed that he's not getting hard because

24:45

after Carl comes You know

24:47

also the Carl puts the condom on backwards. They

24:49

catch that in yeah I loved that and

24:51

he's like trying to get hard. He's like, you want some do you want

24:53

some head or anything? He's like, I don't know like like

24:56

little guy won't get hard. It must be too drunk man

24:58

And he's like, oh, it's fine. Don't worry about

25:00

it Like yeah big deal and then after

25:03

like Carl comes Renee's like, okay

25:05

one down like who's next? Yeah

25:09

She had a nice attitude about it too Very different

25:11

because I think it's Heather Graham and boogie nights

25:13

who they're like hurting around, you know, yeah and

25:17

No, she's like still she barely has dialogue,

25:19

you know, but like Renee is like I'm

25:21

a professional like I'm very I take what I do Very

25:23

seriously, you know Like she said and like she makes a

25:25

point to like

25:26

take the mic and advocate for herself a couple times

25:28

before they get in The car right I was like, I like

25:30

that. I like that. She's not just being like I'm And

25:34

going along with that like she was like we

25:36

could do this I want to do this, you know, like she's speaking

25:38

for her own consent and that's a big difference to

25:40

me Yeah, I would start on it. Like how cool

25:42

I'm like

25:45

watch the whole thing now, you know, same

25:47

and I was like I get that this is like, yeah

25:49

upending genre This is doing something experimental

25:52

and unprudential like I really yeah,

25:54

I thought it was dope I get that Jamie Gillis is like,

25:56

oh my delicious little thing like yeah, so

25:59

smutty, but It was such a sweet

26:01

thing and I was like, I have to agree with what he's advocating

26:03

for. Same, here for it. I

26:05

also briefly was like, are these really,

26:08

like Carl had a big dick and for a second

26:10

I was like, is Carl a performer

26:12

and this is all staged? But I actually

26:15

thought like with the nature of like, I don't think,

26:17

Shawley, Shawn being uncomfortable and

26:19

then kind of like stopping going, I was like, I think it's a fucking

26:21

real. I don't think that aggressive Olympic fact.

26:23

It's not an impressive Olympic fact. He would accidentally put his, he

26:25

also comes in like three minutes. Yeah. You

26:28

know, he put a condom on backwards. I was like, this is a real

26:30

guy. You know, this is a hundred percent a real guy.

26:33

Yeah. I really thought it was. Yeah.

26:35

Yeah. And we also kind of know it was because

26:37

like, there was something in a Wikipedia

26:40

detail where like one of the performers in

26:42

this got

26:43

in trouble with it was like in the military and it got

26:45

out and he was in this. So

26:47

yeah, I think these are literally just like dudes in the

26:49

street, which is

26:51

cool. Like they don't do that

26:53

anymore in porn and like understandably,

26:54

but like the very stage

26:57

like, yeah, what do you want to do? You know,

26:59

like this had that actual like

27:01

sweet vulnerability to it. I have

27:03

the greatest knowledge of myself for saying anyway,

27:05

grateful. Yeah. Should

27:07

we talk about Lady Gonzo? Talk about Lady Gonzo.

27:11

So this is actually nominated for Gonzo series of the year

27:13

at the XBiz Awards in 2020, featuring

27:15

some very favorite performers

27:18

of mine personally Abella Danger

27:20

and Joanna Angel and Juan Lucha later.

27:22

But this is like Joanna Angel's, you

27:25

know, I just like have so much respect for her because she

27:27

is like

27:29

such a like a tour and like

27:31

porn fan. And she's

27:33

like been like making films for

27:35

so long. Like she always was like trying to, you know, she started

27:37

burning angel where she was doing more alt girl. Like

27:39

she used to be a suicide girl and felt like

27:42

a hole in the market for like her aesthetic.

27:45

And then she was like, yeah, I'm going to do Lady Gonzo. Like

27:47

I'm going to be the person with the camera. You know,

27:50

I just think she's really fucking cool and smart.

27:52

Yeah. And she's great at it. She's really

27:54

like vocal and like enthusiastic.

27:56

You know, like I liked her behind the camera. I'm like, oh

27:58

fuck, that's

27:59

hot. Like, yeah.

27:59

We want to make you calm as many times

28:02

as you want to orgasm today. You know like Similarly,

28:05

she's like a great coach. Yeah, I mean like it's

28:07

a really fine line And you need the person behind

28:09

the camera to be like genuinely turned

28:12

on and into things I think it is yes,

28:14

but never like lecturing never

28:17

like yeah exactly you don't want them to be like

28:20

Aggressing the person right that

28:22

they're shooting and like that can be a

28:24

delicate dance and 100% 100% Yeah,

28:27

yeah, so we get a classic sort

28:29

of gonzo style little intro vid

28:31

of a Bella danger and her sexy outfit

28:34

A lot of close-ups on her epic

28:36

ass. She just recently won Most

28:39

epic ass. It's like natural

28:41

and it's huge I mean she has like my

28:43

dream body and she also loves

28:45

anal and I also love that about her because I

28:47

similarly love anal and

28:51

Like she's like

28:52

I can't remember what they what the question was But it was something about

28:54

like how much anal have you had and she said like not enough

28:58

And I was like sick and

29:00

I also loved like again like this is

29:02

my favorite thing about Sometimes about

29:04

like lesbian porn and mainstream spaces, but it's

29:06

like just girls complimenting each other Well,

29:10

yeah, you're so hot like looking at

29:12

your body Like you're so

29:15

like I don't know if you've seen bottoms yet, but

29:17

they're like, oh my god So

29:19

good, but there's a scene where like the girls are just like one

29:21

of the queer characters

29:22

is complimenting like the popular girl She's like

29:24

you're so skinny. Like you

29:26

can eat a hot dog. You can eat a hot dog

29:29

with the bun. That's how skinny you are Percent

29:35

a hundred percent like we've all been there being like god,

29:37

you're so like you're so skinny You can literally

29:39

wear anything, you know, and you're like, that's you just

29:41

having a girl crush. Yeah Yeah,

29:44

that's cute. I gotta see it. Yeah. So yeah,

29:46

so we start with like

29:49

Bella like just kind

29:51

of modeling for us. Yeah

29:54

cameras like all over her like

29:56

we've got a shot of Joanna

29:58

shooting her but then we also got the

29:59

footage from doing his camera.

30:01

Which I thought was nice. Yeah.

30:05

Just to kind of see the third person in the scene

30:07

being the camera, you know, important. Yeah,

30:09

it was like meta Gonzo. Gonzo, Gonzo,

30:12

Gonzo. And then after we have that little

30:14

conversation about orgasm, she starts to

30:16

chill off and then squirts

30:19

like right off the bat. Crazy.

30:21

I'm like, I'm never that hydrated.

30:23

Never in my life. Right before

30:26

I shoot, I think that she's like coming

30:28

in, she's coming in like fresh and

30:30

hydrated and lubed. You know

30:32

what I mean? Like she's ready to go.

30:33

And then she plays with a bubble

30:36

wand. She's blowing bubbles. And then we take the like

30:38

stick, like the tube of bubbles, lube

30:40

it up and get that in her ass. Yeah.

30:43

It like start with just like some crazy experimentation.

30:45

And then we have our male performer come in.

30:47

I did not know who this guy won. Won lucho.

30:50

Yeah. Won lucho. Thank you. Yeah.

30:52

So he comes in fully tatted up.

30:55

And yes. And like, there's an interesting

30:57

dynamic of like,

30:59

again, the way that Joanna sort of like interacts and

31:01

doesn't like there's times when she's not involved.

31:03

There's times when she kind of jumps in and like directs.

31:05

He's like, Okay, my pussy too, you know,

31:07

and they kind of go back and forth. And then there's times

31:10

like she's just holding the shot of Joanna riding

31:13

him. And

31:15

yeah, it's a little bit sterile

31:18

because we're like in a warehouse kind of

31:20

thing. You know, we're in a platform. Yeah,

31:22

you know, like that's the only thing that sort

31:25

of takes away from it. But like for me personally,

31:27

just because I don't want to fuck on like a table.

31:29

Yeah. So

31:30

it's like the cameras involved too,

31:32

when they're having like a threesome like the cameras

31:35

around, you know, yeah. So it's like that

31:37

to navigate. But they have like

31:39

really great playful chemistry with each other.

31:42

And I feel like Joanna and Avela

31:44

have really great chemistry. Yeah,

31:48

like I was actually more turned on like the my

31:50

favorite part of this whole video was when Joanna

31:52

was like fucking her in the ass with the bubble wand.

31:55

Yeah, you know, like I'm a big fan of like,

31:58

like not inanimate objects, but like Because when I was

32:00

watching this, when I was clicking through earlier, you

32:02

know how if you watch Bound Porn or

32:05

any sort of shibari, they have a dildo on a pole?

32:07

Yeah. I thought it was that. I see. And

32:10

I was like, that, I love that.

32:12

That's hot for me. You know? Yeah.

32:15

So I thought that's what was happening. But it still, I mean,

32:17

it still is really hot. And I really loved the

32:19

two of them together. And they were like, she was like, I hit on you.

32:22

When you first entered the porn world. Yeah.

32:25

And she was like, I hit on you too. They have such great

32:27

chemistry. It was sweet.

32:30

Yeah. Interacts. Yeah,

32:32

I have to agree. Yeah. it

32:34

was like, almost like he just came in to be used. Yeah. He

32:36

was just like a cock in a body to be there. He

32:39

was a pro. Or like, yeah, he felt like

32:41

more like a prop, which I guess, again, kind of.

32:43

I love to see. Kind of cool. Like, honestly way

32:45

to subvert the genre. You know?

32:48

I honestly, I could

32:50

gel to both of these. Yeah, both

32:52

of these definitely work out to

32:54

me. You know? On the prowl like didn't quite

32:56

get there in the first chunk 100%, 100%.

32:59

and the sex is really fast

33:01

and like,

33:02

but the conceit of it turned me on,

33:04

you know? The

33:07

convention of it is not like just the spontaneity

33:10

of it. It feels cool to me. And I feel like

33:12

I haven't watched the whole thing, but I feel like when I watch the whole thing,

33:14

there's probably going to be a scene or two that I'm like, okay. Like

33:17

the next one after the one we watched is like a chick just like

33:19

in

33:20

the back of a little like porno store. Yeah. Like

33:22

topless and just being like fondled. And

33:25

I was kind of like, yeah, fuck her against that wall. You know, like

33:27

hot. And

33:29

yeah, and Lady Gonzo's

33:31

fucking hot too. These hot sounded ladies.

33:33

Yeah. Yeah. This is

33:35

your place. As it turns out. Nice

33:38

little history lesson too today.

33:40

I feel like we learned a lot. Yeah. And we hope

33:42

you did too. Hope you did too. Yeah. And

33:45

I didn't expect to like be as taken with this as I was. You

33:47

know? And I wanted you to come. Yeah.

33:50

In

33:50

so many sections of mainstream porn. Now

33:53

I

33:53

don't want to watch Gonzo porn, but the origins

33:56

of it. Right. It's important to know.

33:58

You always have to know your history.

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