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Hello listener, welcome to God Mode a player's guide to life.

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It's a new podcast I'm putting together.

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I'm very excited about it. I've been looking for an outlet to share on a mass scale the conversations and the magic that I experienced with my friends on a day-to-day basis.

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You know I want to bring more people into those conversations, so here's your invitation.

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Thank you for logging on, looking forward to seeing where this series goes.

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I've had the intention to put it together for a long time and the title came to me recently.

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So this is God Mode a player's guide to life, and today's guest is Annie Lieberman.

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Annie Lieberman is a good friend of mine.

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We met at a self-development program in Los Angeles about three years ago And since then she has been a friend and also my singing instructor, which you'll hear all about, and you know a few things about Annie.

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Annie is the owner and creator of Everyone Can Sing Studios.

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She has worked with many legendary artists and producers, including Lenny Kravitz and Quincy Jones.

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Annie has a degree in music and psychology and is certified in the Werbeck technique, which I hadn't heard of until I met Annie, and it's pretty, pretty incredible stuff.

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Pretty wild little out there, fun stuff.

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Annie believes singing makes people happy, and happy people make a better world.

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So she wants to live in a better world and she's excited to teach you how to sing to get there.

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Currently, she's teaching privately and is the music director at Threefold Village here in LA, and you can find her at her website, everyonecancingla.

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Now, that's a great motto. It's a motto that I've needed to hold on to for a long time to get over all my anxieties around letting my voice through and really enjoying myself and doing this thing that I knew I loved doing, even if almost everyone else I knew was asking me to shut up.

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So, without further ado, enjoy the podcast.

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Be sure to find a way to comment if you want to engage.

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I would love to hear what you have to say.

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You'll be able to find this podcast on YouTube.

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Primarily, i expect to be publishing to Instagram and to Spotify and learning as I go and spreading our reach as I go.

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But without further ado, welcome to the game and type in that cheat code god mode turned on.

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Let's rock, let's roll. Enjoy the podcast, let's do this.

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Perfect, and that's it, and now you can ask me any questions you want, and we're off to the races.

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Okay, cool. Well, hello, i'm Annie Lieberman.

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I'm just kidding, she goes straight into it.

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I go straight into it. You are, so what I wanted to ask you was, with regards to your podcast, like what are you, what are you about and what?

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who's your audience and who do you want to talk to?

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Well, great question, let's nail these down.

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So, so far, my working title is God Mode a player's guide to life, which suggests that my audience is going to at least a little bit be hip to nerd culture and video game space.

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So you know, i'm speaking a little bit in that nerdy kind of giving myself up as a little bit of a nerd there, which I love, and but the truth is I'm speaking to people who are ready to go, people who have things that they want, big or small, and they are looking for the way to become and acquire that which they desire and want, And I think that that is the you know.

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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

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Those are the people I'm speaking to, any age, really, any proficiency, any background, but they need to have you open because we're going to be playing and we're going to be doing a lot of cross paradigm.

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You know map building And and, yeah, i think you know, the key feature of the people who are listening, or who I should say I'm speaking to, is I'm going to be speaking to the crowd that's ready.

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I'm speaking to the Noah's of like, when you know, the 21 year old, 18 year old, 16 year old, 13 year old Noah's will keep them teenagers and up, which means they can hear about sex and curse words you know.

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So, yeah, you know, that's that's the group, but it specifically is about people who are ready.

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I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

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I have no interest in convincing anyone of anything.

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I do imagine that there are certain things like astrology and things like that, which I have built pretty cool little bridges.

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So if you're somebody who's like sort of a rationalist, maybe you're ready, like I was.

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Okay, i mean, i do my first astrology reading until I was like 24 and I gave it to myself as a birthday gift And even then I thought it was insanely expensive.

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I spent like $100 on it, you know.

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But now, looking back, i really understand.

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It just makes sense And actually it was fucking awesome.

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It paid dividends right away. So even when I had no idea what was going on, it still, you know, was cool.

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Anyway, so I have bridges for rationalists, essentially So, for, like the person who thinks the world's an inanimate rock, i have bridges to get them out of that, to get them open.

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You know, that's it.

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Other than that, other than those bridges from, like the rationalists to the open, i'm not really interested in converting anyone to any kind of concept.

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Everybody gets to come to me ready to go and excited, and you know, that's what it is.

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So okay, well, let me, let me see if I heard you correctly, so you are looking for like-minded people to share in this, to share in this paradigm of God-minded, magic-minded, oriented bridge.

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It's like this bridge into what your audience is looking for and it could be anything, so it's inviting people into a mindset that you are facilitating.

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Yeah, mindset and also sort of like living discussion.

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You know, joseph Campbell has this awesome quote about something along the lines of like we're all human and I'm butchering it So don't worry about, but it's the essence of the message.

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We're all human, you know, the path has been tracked a thousand times before you.

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You don't need to go at it alone. You don't need to go out alone and you don't need to pretend that no one's, that there's no.

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You know no one's been there before and that you know it's like guys, let's, you know, hey, breathe in, breathe out, come on.

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You know 100,000 years of human evolution.

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I think we know what we can get. We can figure this one out.

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Not only that, but it's been written about in tract history for 5000 years, and that's not including whatever the hell or traditions passed down.

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A lot of these methods and and notices, notice, moments, right, like all of these awareness is, could have existed long before, even 5000 years ago.

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So it's like let's stop ignoring them, you know, and let's start incorporating that.

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Okay, Wow, it's such a vast So what topic you could go in.

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You could like go podcast 2024 with that kind of vast right.

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So if you were to pick a topic, one topic, What would it be?

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Okay, it's funny because I got two competing parts of me.

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I want to address something that you said earlier, but I also want to answer your question Which should I do first?

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Which one should I do first?

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Do any mini mo, because I don't.

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Okay, so we're going to hold the question which topic would I pick?

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we're going to hold that for a second. Okay, i'm right back to it And I want to say that it was really cool how you, when you reflected back to me what I was saying I imagine you don't play many video games, no, i don't.

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Okay, so I love it because you, you know I'm not trying to only target video game people, but you seem to have gotten the flavor of it anyway, and you got the almost the truest flavor, which is the idea like let's be in divine mode, right, like let's be in that divine space.

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You know God, nature, etc. But what's cool is, for a gamer who necessarily believe in God, god mode is a common phrase for either when you put in a cheat code which is literally called God mode across multiple, like almost every game, where your player doesn't take damage anymore.

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If you need more ammunition, you get free ammunition.

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If you need a special gun, you get the special gun. Basically, god mode is I want, i have, i want, i have, i want, i have.

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Oh, i want to be this thing, i'm gonna be this thing right now.

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I want to go there, i can be there right now.

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So that's God mode in video games. You can either get to God mode in a video game by typing a cheat, which is fair play for real life as well And you can get to God mode by building your character.

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To the point where your character is so far superior in that I don't want to use that word, that's a that's a dangerous word Your character is so adept in the world of the game that it moves through the world of the game with gracing ease, boom, so much better than the word superior.

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I did much better than the word superior. So so that's that.

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So I just want to say I love that. Thanks for reflecting that back to me, because I am not trying to only get gamer people and we just hit that right on the head.

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Okay, answer your question. Pick a topic, any topic.

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Well, here's. I have no idea how this thing unfolds.

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I think that's part of the scary bit. You know what I mean.

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I think that it's going to be guest driven.

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So I want to be in conversation with people on the podcast.

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You know I whatever.

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That's just the kind of podcast I want to make, and so you know, if you and I were talking which we're talking right now, then I would probably say you know, oh, i guess we're going to be exploring singing, and and it's so funny because you're the perfect use case, you're the perfect example.

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Oh, annie, what's the name of your singing place?

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everybody can sing.

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Wow, what an interesting name you've chosen.

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Of all the names and existence, you chose this one right.

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So then we get into it and I imagine we'll talk about all kinds of stuff technique, how we got started.

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You know, you have an incredible story.

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I have a cool story And and my story, you know, i mean at least my, you know, i don't know point being, the story I have relates to so many people who were told that they can sing and that they want to sing anyway, and that, that, that, that.

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So, in that regard, we make magic together on a podcast, because we all we got to do is talk about all of that, and that's the, that's the rub.

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Now might I throw in some crazy Kabbalistic shit along the way, maybe my tossing, a little alchemy, little new thought, a little MIT juice and flavor, maybe, why not?

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I mean, you're going to get that with me anywhere at this point.

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These days, we can't have in and out without me thinking about some cosmic shit.

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That's just what's going to happen.

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That's why I love you, Noah.

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Good, okay, i'm glad. I'm glad, if it wasn't, we'd be in trouble.

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Yeah, no, that's what makes you know seriously.

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So that's that's. That's very cool.

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Okay, that really answered that question, because I know I don't I'm not a gamer And I don't know the terminology So for you to grab a wider audience in a just in a in a way, without having any preconceived anything about what this is about.

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Yes, that struck me as a divine, inspired conversation with, with people that hold a very interesting perspective on life.

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They may be business owners that have a unique business, they could be gamers that you know hold like a really interesting perspective in life.

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So, yeah, that's my take on that.

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I thought of it as like, okay, this could be really cool.

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God mode, and what does that mean in life?

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So, I love it.

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So yeah, so I love that.

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I didn't know anything about that.

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That's awesome.

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I do love that, so okay, so let's talk about since I, since you brought up my, my, my business and the studio.

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You've been coming to see me for a little bit now and I'm really walking you through a process that I call the four rooms.

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Right.

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So so the four rooms which I'll describe.

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So let's see, the first room is hold on.

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I'm going to look at my notes, so I'm saying this in a way that I've prepared myself for.

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Okay. And this is the concept that you've come up with.

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Yes, yes, okay, i love this.

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Oh my God.

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I have come up with this process because I have witnessed hundreds of people walk through this process and all have really great results And I want it like.

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I want to like bottle this now Sweet Yep, yeah, love that.

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So this is it's a two level process and there's four rooms.

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So the first level has two rooms. The second level has two rooms.

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So the first level you come on in and your face is basically a beginner level kind of thing.

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You come in and I call it the, i call it the inner joy.

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It's like I this is the ask I'm asking about my voice and I've always wanted to sing and people have told me either I can't sing or I just don't know if I can, or so it's, it's a joyful type of you know, i just don't know, but I want to try it kind of room.

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It's like a blank slate packed with curiosity.

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Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

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So you learn in that, you learn in that room your mechanism.

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You know your voice box, your your vocal cords, you discover your range, you discover your ear.

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We do breath work, some diaphragm work, beginning placement, and that's where this technique that we've been working on verbic comes into play.

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So you start learning how to put the sounds in your resonators in your face.

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So you've got your nose, you've got your, you know your forehead and your ears.

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And then we work through various exercises to get you aware of that.

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And the technique is about going inward.

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So you're noticing from inside of your body where the sounds are, as opposed to singing lessons that are outward, and you're listening with your ear to your voice outside of you.

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And that, in the very beginning, is a little too, can be a little intimidating for some people.

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They have a hard time even like singing loud, like if they come to me and they want to sing, they usually sing like right here, they're not, they don't even want to hear their voices yet.

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So that's like that first room and I call that the curiosity and play.

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Like you said, it's like we're just going to play, we're just going to, i just want to hear.

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You know, give me what you got. I'm not going to push you into anything, you know.

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So we've done that right.

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And then the second room, still the same level.

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I call that room on getting what you asked for.

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So first room, you're like I'm asking this, the second room is getting what you've asked for, and so that room, i teach you how to hear.

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And so that's what's happening to you now and we are definitely going through this process of their back, which is a technique that I have been certified in a five year process of really understanding the mechanism of the tongue, the throat, the diaphragm, how sounds really can become warmer through using the whole mechanism as opposed to just your throat.

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So you're learning, that's so awesome Yeah.

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I saw a great YouTube video on it and the guy was adorable.

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It was great.

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Oh yeah, so you're now starting to hold the tones fully.

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You're really holding your tones fully.

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Your technical training is starting to.

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with regards to the words, like we're talking about vibrato now.

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We're talking about voice, we're talking about chest voice, we're starting to really understand terminology, and then we're doing lyric analysis Did you say lyric.

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Lyric analysis.

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Right Makes sense, yep.

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Right, and your vowels are opening up.

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So we started with a lot of tones that were more well, this is the basis of the verb act.

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It's all consonants. So you were singing with M's and with N sounds and L sounds.

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Those are all consonants, right, right?

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So now we're moving into the vowels, opening up the vowel sounds And then we're working with your emotion.

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So I'm getting you starting to feel what that feels like and you're getting comfortable expressing that and getting really comfortable with it, i should say, Because when we come to this place in the second room, there needs to be the experience of vulnerability for you to allow yourself to feel the emotions of the songs and the lyrics.

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So I think that's what I'm seeing happening.

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Yes, I love that.

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Right, right. So then now we're moving into the second level, which is the third room.

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Oh right, where you're about to go.

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You're about to go there, got it?

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Yep, so that fourth third room is actual building of your confidence in such a way that we use the tools of the studio.

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So you're going to be on stage, You're going to bring the mic on stage, you're going to feel the difference of what it's like to just sing into a microphone and then get on a stage and sing into a microphone Very, very different, damn.

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So that in itself will be another level of you going into a deeper experience with your voice and confidence behind that.

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So I called the third room inspiration and resonance, because you're inspiring yourself.

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You constantly are inspiring yourself, which builds the confidence that's building the confidence.

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Okay, and then the fourth room will be an actual performance, right, be it your own self at a karaoke bar or at a recital, or doing something where people are actually involved, watching you.

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Oh my God, So fun Yeah.

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Transformation.

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There is all hell, yep.

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Right.

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Totally.

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We're going to build to that before you get there.

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I think a good word for stage three, stage or room three, is embodiment.

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Okay, i like that.

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Where you're putting on the future, you the one that's going to be on stage.

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You're putting it on, you're embodying it in a sort of safe space.

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Okay.

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It's funny, actually in coding we actually call that a staging.

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It's a staging space.

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Staging.

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So, as it turns out, you know staging, you're literally staging it.

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You're literally on stage.

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Yeah, totally, that's so wild, that's funny.

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So I love that you actually have walked through and experienced up until now these two first rooms And what would you say?

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your experiences know like when we first started working and then the growth that's happened from if we're going to use the room analogy, from the first room to the second room, what's happening with you and your being?

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Let's go into God mode here.

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What is going on with your?

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being Yes, yeah. So give me a little, give me some like the headliners for room two.

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Again, what are the like top titles of room two?

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Okay, so room two is getting what?

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you have.

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Emotion, emotion and getting what you asked for Learning to hear.

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Yes, got it Okay. So now you're saying now ask the question please, because I can hear it now from that.

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Great. So the question is what is your experience in each of these rooms?

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and we can go backwards, so let's start in room two.

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What is your actual, your feelings about your growth thus far, going backwards?

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Okay, so this is fun. So the first day I came up right away was room two is the most embarrassing, which is not true, because obviously room four would be the most embarrassing, i think.

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I think you know I guess the whole thing can be pretty embarrassing, but but it's what you said.

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now it's coming back to me about the vulnerability because you know, i haven't been in an acting room since I've done all this personal development work, but I remember what it was like to be in an acting room and I remember how stiff everybody was and I remember how that stiffness and performance and then we all ended up getting yelled at by our teachers.

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So when you're not stiff, you're letting it ride and you might still get yelled at by your acting teacher and it's going to hurt more because you're not stiff.

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You see, that's why we, that's why we get stiff to begin with.

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And I feel like it's very much the same about room two.

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You know, god damn how you know, it's like worse, it hurts more to fail when you you're feeling it and you're in the groove and oh, and you're like you lose yourself in it for two and a half minutes.

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Then you list back to the recording and you're like, oh God, i suck, you know, or like I totally fucked up that part.

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It's like, you know there's a real, it's, you know, that sort of like disparity between oh, i've got a little bit of technical ability under my belt.

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Let me now, you know, release into the emotional aspect of it.

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Yeah, it's all fun while you're doing it, you know, then, when judgment comes back into play, then it gets a little intense, so so.

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But you know what's interesting also, and back when I was very much a lot more robotic, this was a huge wake up moment for me, which was, you know, it's one thing to say that whether or not your smiling affects your sound, that's pretty obvious, physical.

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But when you, when you kind of realize what's implied by that, which is basically like how you're feeling is going to is going to affect your sound, you know.

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And and if you're trying to act while you're singing, then your face is going to be in certain shapes that are going to affect your sound.

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Yeah, this is good.

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That's cool from a creator perspective, like, oh, i'm the singer, i'm creating the sound, i need to know that.

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But then from a reverse engineering hearing perspective, you start to realize, oh shit, all the people I admire, they're not out there just doing some technical thing.

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They are feeling something and that is booming out of their face.

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You know, which is something I didn't really like?

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I knew, but I didn't know, i didn't realize it was.

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You know, part of the sound I didn't realize it was like it was going to.

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It was going to like be in the vinyl. You know, i thought it was like subjective.

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I didn't realize it was objectivity to it.

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Awesome, yeah.

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So how do I feel now, stepping into it, i feel great, given the song that we've been doing.

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You know what is it? You'll be back. You know how I feel.

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I feel sassy and diabolical, yeah, but it's also funny because suddenly it feels it does feel like a leap closer to what I signed up for.

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So it's funny that you're saying now you're getting what you asked for because it's like, oh yeah, i did sign up to be playful and to you know, really feel it and get into it, whereas for years I sang super mechanically, like so mechanically, and it was only like like it was pass fail, nothing else mattered.

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You know, it was just like did I do it right?

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It's kind of ridiculous.

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What I love about what you're saying. What I love about your saying is that you're saying mechanical, because you and many people do not know the difference between mechanical singing and feeling.

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You know, i would have to say, singing for me is like crying, it's like it's it's, it's like yelling, it's when I'm angry, it's um, it's happy, it's when I just want to.

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You know, party Like I have used singing to really, yeah, help me, like, help get to that place of release and, um, finding my humanity, like that to me is why I sing and I believe I'm so passionate about this, because I want everyone to connect to their humanity.

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We've become so robotic, you know, we don't even know And the release that comes with that and connecting to your, your, your heart, your spirit, your authentic self, your higher self, um, man, talk about a quick way to get there singing.

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Well, i'll tell you something cool, um little God mode notice player or player's guide to life moment.

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There's a book called the Dow made easy.

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It's fantastic, fantastic. And he talks, he references another book from that book.

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Uh, basically, he references an African tribe, and there's some.

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I think it's a tribe in Africa, And what happens is when the woman gets pregnant and while the baby is in the world, the tribe comes together and starts to feel into what that baby's song is, what is the child song?

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So together, this entire tribe, kind of like in a spiritual, uh ritual, downloads what this child's song is And after a while they end up all singing it and they get it.

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And once they got it, they know this is the child's song.

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This is the child's song. So, they sing it.

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They sing it to the child while it's in the womb.

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The village comes together, sings it while the child being born.

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They sing it at every major event in the child's life, like so at initiation, or like marriage, or whatever that is looks like for them.

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They sing it. And here's the key, here's the big one.

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When someone commits a crime in the tribe, so it does something you know, steals or violates someone or is aggressive or whatever.

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There's no jail. The tribe basically, like, puts the person in the center of the tribe and the entire tribe sings them their song until they fucking.

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You know and this is not who you are, but we're gonna remind you right now And that's how they get people, that's how they, that's how they handle crime.

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Oh, My god and also sinning.

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I guess, if you want to, you know, cross the bad, the barriers there Crime and sinning.

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That's how they do it.

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I've never heard that before and that makes all the world of sense.

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I know.

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You are not this, you are this neo exactly, oh my gosh.

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So yeah, that was fun.

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You are finding your neo.

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Of course in my voice, then the voice part of my neo, yeah hello, yes For the gamers out there.

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It's very. There's a game called skyrobe and and the main character is the dragonborn and, and the whole game is surrounded around his shouts.

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So he says like different things in a Nordic language, and and Effects occur, so you know, fire might come, or like just force comms or whatever, and so I think of it that way.

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You know, this is like the neo, the voice, the shouts.

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I'm learning the shouts, yeah wow Gosh, that did something.

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I mean. Now I'm really Processing that because I got to be honest with you.

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I. I look at my life and I go Why am I here?

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You know like, why am I? what am I doing with my life?

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Is it really am like am I really doing what I need to be doing right now?

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Yeah, i, should I be making more money?

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Should I be, you know? I mean So it's that's that.

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That's the million dollar question. I know that my heart is calling me to do this work because of how much Joy I get out of it.

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I just get so cool out of it.

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So, Yeah, I I really appreciate us doing this because this is so important to Help me realize my neo.

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You know it's like. This is what I'm supposed to do, people.

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I know I'm supposed to do this. Yes, yes sharing it and You helping.

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You're helping me bring out my voice to in this, you know, in this platform, and I think this is awesome And we must keep doing this.

32:54

Yeah, to quote Morpheus, she is beginning to believe.

33:02

Yeah, thank you, noah Very good.

33:07

Yeah, Oh yeah, so yeah, that's my experience of the second room.

33:14

Okay. So then I'm okay, let's go to the first room.

33:18

Okay how did, how did that begin for you, or how did that feel to you?

33:25

miserable, literally the worst so.

33:30

Yeah, at least for me, God, i don't even know like, ah, i mean, you know, you go all the way back to me being a kid and being told I can't sing and stop, cut that out, it's annoying.

33:42

And then you know, you get me as a teenager and I'm like fiddling with the guitar and I'm trying to sing, and You know as source, you know that's one way.

33:51

So, in terms of manifestations called that, go figure, the kid who thought he couldn't sing Didn't, until he was sick one day in his room He had a cold.

34:02

That's me. I was playing the guitar and singing with a cold.

34:08

This was the only time that I paused enough to record myself and that became the benchmark.

34:14

So if you ever wanted evidence that you suck at singing, record yourself when you have a cold and no, no other time, doing one song and then let that be the thing that you share with people And they pass around and share so that they can all laugh at you because of how bad you are, and And let that define you.

34:38

If you, if you really want to dick yourself over with your net, with your limiting beliefs, right, do that, which is what I did.

34:46

So that didn't work out for me very well at all.

34:49

But, you know what?

34:50

No, I know what that says to me.

34:53

Yes you wanted to be right.

34:56

Of course Yes, don't we all know?

34:59

you wanted to say and validate I suck.

35:03

So here I'm gonna show you how bad I suck.

35:06

That's true. Yeah, that's true in an unconscious level, but on a conscious level I'm the kid who's like, oh, it's not even curious.

35:16

And so when I get hit by the freight train that I sent myself, it doesn't look like I sent it to myself.

35:22

So it sucked for years before I realized, oh, it's me, i'm doing this, you know, you know, keyword responsibility, but anyway.

35:32

So what happens? Okay, so now around that time, i don't have, i can't even imagine what got into me, but I wanted to sing and so I somehow signed up in my high school to go sing and It was pretty fun, but we were doing Italian crap and I wasn't really into it.

35:50

Obviously, there was also like very, very little to no mechanical Like discussion whatsoever.

35:59

It was like straight into like singing Italian stuff.

36:02

Um, that was weird, especially since I was very like analytical and robotic.

36:07

Um, anyway, i did that for a while.

36:10

That was the beginning of room one.

36:14

It was kind of fun, but I would only do it in a back room where no one could hear me And I didn't do it for very long because parents felt like it wasn't a very good investment, i suppose, and maybe I agreed and so, yeah, it wasn't.

36:29

Until I went to college where at some point I was getting my music minor, i ended up back in a singing course.

36:35

Fun fact, i did not do great in college.

36:38

It was a miserable experience for me, but the only class I ever failed with singing, though.

36:44

Literally I show up to the final exam.

36:47

I've been enthusiastic and doing all the homework and practicing and getting yelled at by my roommates through the wall, people banging on my wall, um, and at the final, at the final day when I go to perform, mind you, he said early on that he was gonna host a workshop for everyone.

37:02

Never happened. Never taught anyone how to sing, just assumed that they would be able to.

37:07

I Go up to do my final exam, i give it my best shot, he fails me with an ass and then he says that if I pay him I can get lessons for a semester and if I do well enough you can change my grade at the end of the next semester.

37:21

I didn't ask a little extortion and really happened in my life.

37:25

So what happens? I'm like I just wanted to fucking sing, i'm fuck you and I'm gonna pay you, so let's go.

37:33

So I did pay him and I started getting lessons from this guy.

37:36

Didn't really learn anything with him either, other than I got to sing in the biggest church at Boston College, which is a Jesuit school, and I would do it by myself, but I would do.

37:47

It was fucking cool, right. So that was fun.

37:50

Mm-hmm, you know, while it lasted, at the end of the semester you change my grade Whoop, dee, doo, basil, so anyway, so that was room one that was like I don't even know what the hell that was.

38:03

That was like a little bit of room too, because it was kind of like, yeah, we don't have any mechanics to just, you know, feel it, but you know really, but Unsupported room to it was.

38:13

It was like a room to I shouldn't have been in. Yet Yeah.

38:16

Um, so that was that. And then I moved out here and I started working with one teacher who I really liked, but she was also kind of a room to teacher With a little bit of room one.

38:28

She gave me a little room one. But then I found Julie, who is my next teacher, and Julie is a room one.

38:38

Morpheus, monstrous master, the woman has signed singing to a science and it's great, because for a tomaton like me, that was what I wanted She was, it was music to my ears, and so I worked with her and You know, with her right, or actually I guess with the one before her, leah, i could.

39:01

I could say, hey, i don't get, like you say, sing out of your forehead.

39:04

That doesn't make any sense to me. You know, i've been hurting that for years.

39:06

Doesn't make any sense to me. Or like sing from your stomach.

39:09

I'm like, well, my lungs are in my chest.

39:11

So that doesn't make any sense to me, i, so I was able to like joke with them and play and get some good answers back, like Julie literally showed me, like human anatomy, like she would chose like the like cross section here.

39:23

If you want to win over Noah, pull out a freaking anatomy.

39:26

This is what we're doing here and I kind of want to go grab it.

39:32

I'm gonna go grab it. She, she, um, she packed me up with a bunch of these fucking asthma machines.

39:39

I know.

39:41

Right, like I bought like four of these and I love it because it's like I can measure my progress.

39:47

You know what I mean and like I can suffer well, you know I can like suffer.

39:52

Now I'll know like, oh, i haven't been doing it enough, you know, but uh, but anyway.

39:59

So all of that was really good and you and I both know that.

40:03

That's where I really I leapt forward there, but on in a mechanical sense.

40:08

Yes but it was also No fun.

40:11

It was like barely any fun.

40:14

It was like nine ever separate. Like what I was getting off on in that class was knowing finally That even if I had to do no fun for three years, i was going to be good.

40:27

Like I could sacrifice fun because I knew I was going to be good like with.

40:32

Like I was like there's no way around Mm-hmm.

40:34

So that was cool Mm-hmm.

40:39

But then I went to MIT and I did personal development and went back to her and Just by going back She was like what the hell have you been doing?

40:47

like, how are you so much better? I don't understand what I like leapt forward, apparently in quality, and I literally remember standing there and just be like, oh, i'm not sweating and shaking anymore, like I don't not judging, i'm not.

40:57

I literally said something like I am no longer judging the sound that comes out of my mouth, one second at a time.

41:04

You know I like have space Now I give you know, here's some space.

41:11

Fill the space. We can judge it later.

41:13

I don't need to judge it in real time, you know, yeah, so So anyway, that alone freed me up, you know, considerably.

41:22

And one thing led to another. She ended up on a Broadway show, and then we, you and I, started working together and With you.

41:27

Recently especially, i said what I say.

41:32

What did you say? You said a lot of stuff About playing.

41:35

Oh, you said I just want to play, I just want to play.

41:42

I was like I just want to play.

41:43

I was like, look, i've done the 98% mechanics, 2% playing.

41:47

I want 98% playing, 2% mechanics.

41:50

Because I had noticed in the years that I had in practice, you know, in the last two years, that when I saying, when I saying sometimes it would be incredible And I'll be like whoa, how did I do that so well?

42:04

And then sometimes it would be awful, and I realized that the only way I could really feel it out was to just play and to just see what came out of my mouth.

42:13

And you when you're playing, i would say there's no judgment.

42:19

Nope, of course not Right.

42:22

When you're playing, you're relaxed.

42:24

You're allowed to make mistakes, by the way. So even if you do judge that you made a mistake, you're allowed.

42:28

You're playing.

42:31

That's right And it's so important.

42:33

That's so important to do. that Say again.

42:38

It feels like the trick that we used to get this podcast rolling.

42:42

Yeah, yeah.

42:44

Same trick We're playing.

42:46

We're just playing you guys. This isn't for real.

42:50

So I guess you're a gamer after all.

42:52

I guess. so Yeah, who knew?

42:57

I think I knew that All right.

42:59

So what are you going?

43:00

to say about playing. I was saying it's so important to play because of the non-judgmental aspect to it.

43:08

By the way, when we're in judgment, we are shutting down our we're shutting down Because I think when judgment happens right, we shut down What shuts down.

43:23

Let's look at the anatomy for a second.

43:26

We are we're shutting down and because we're moving into either fight or flight or the Paris or the, there's the parasympathetic and the sympathetic nervous system, right?

43:38

Okay, do you know the difference of the two?

43:41

I did at one point. Please remind me.

43:43

Okay. So I believe the parasympathetic is the fight or flight mode, okay.

43:48

And then the sympathetic is when it's not fight or flight.

43:51

Got it? I try to get myself, when I'm going to sing, in a sympathetic nervous system mode, because Yeah, for sure.

44:05

I'm not tight. Okay, When the muscles are tight, it's like when you're singing through tight muscles, when you're running through tight muscles, when you're exercising, you just got out, you know, off of the couch and you go and run a 5K.

44:19

Do you think your body's going to like that?

44:21

No, No, you're actually damaging your muscles, right, You're tearing yourself up.

44:27

So to sing with tight muscles, you're.

44:31

You know that's how a lot of people get nodes.

44:33

You know that's how people injure themselves.

44:36

So I try to create a.

44:38

We try to create this play thing because we want to relax, Right, We need to relax.

44:44

And when we go into this verbatim, you're really relaxing and you're yawning, even you know you're allowing yourself to just go inward and get to that place of relaxation.

44:57

And then we sing.

44:59

Yeah, you're going to have to make a video about that because that's so good.

45:01

Yeah, that's so good. I feel so good every time we do that.

45:05

It's the best.

45:07

It is the best. It is the best. I feel relaxed and energized at the same time.

45:11

Oh my God.

45:12

Yeah, no, it's amazing, it's the best, it's crazy Yeah.

45:16

I will do that. I will make a video on that You should.

45:20

Yeah, let me think, um Lay, i had something to share.

45:26

They didn't want to stop you.

45:29

Oh, go ahead, Think about it.

45:32

Oh man, give me some crumbs of like what you were just saying.

45:36

Okay. So then when we are in play mode with the parasympathetic versus the sympathetic nervous system, I got it Perfect.

45:44

That's what I needed. So tension, you know, not only is it in it can you be prone to injury when you're tense, but also you wouldn't.

45:53

Just the way you tune a guitar is not tightening all the strings until they can't be tightened anymore, and the way you tune a piano is not tightening all the strings until they can't be tight anymore.

46:01

You wouldn't be able to get dynamic sounds if that was the case.

46:04

So you so right there, in the most concrete sense possible, in instruments you need varying degrees of tension, and some need to be more relaxed than others.

46:15

So, you know, to get the sounds that you're looking for.

46:18

So that's another way that tension needs to be variable.

46:21

It cannot be, you know, omnipresent during your attempts at performing.

46:28

So that was, that was one of the big ones.

46:31

And then fight or flight and judgment.

46:35

Oh, i was thinking this too. This is kind of a cool little thing that occurred to me, which is, you know that back here I have the tree of life, which we won't get into in detail right now, but it's from Kabbalah And alchemy.

46:47

Some alchemy and hermeticists can use it as well.

46:50

It's super useful. It's like a map of consciousness, if nothing else, one of the nodes is Binah, and Binah is long story short.

47:00

You have like death, and then the scythe.

47:02

The scythe, the symbolic scythe of death, right, which separates the wheat from the chaff, wheat from the chaff.

47:08

Well, that is also the sphere of judgment And the idea, the tool that is judgment, the reason for judgment, that the judgment's bad, but the reason for it is you want to judge, oh, this is the dead part, this is the part that we don't need.

47:22

Cut it off of the good part, now what do you end up with?

47:25

All the good part and all the crap you don't need gets to be recycled and, you know, gone, you don't need it.

47:30

That's what judgment's for. So what's interesting?

47:34

what occurred to me when we were talking about that fear state where you're just judging everything that comes out of your mouth, is, it's kind of arrogant, like you're not an expert.

47:45

How are you going to know what to cut off?

47:47

that's bad, and what to leave? that's good, right?

47:51

So maybe you should stop. And now I remember Julie telling me like I don't need you.

47:55

She would say to me I don't need you listening to yourself, i'm listening to you and I know what I'm doing.

48:01

So I will tell you what you need to do. You don't need to listen to yourself Like you don't even need, you don't even she was like I don't even need you to listen to the sound coming out of your voice.

48:10

Like you just do it And I'll tell you, i'll give you the feedback you know.

48:15

Yeah, and I think that's true. It's like you need a master to be able to tell you what to cut and what to leave.

48:21

So for us to be doing it constantly is like a fallacy.

48:25

It doesn't even make sense For a guy who was rational and like a robot.

48:29

I think it would have been a fun little sort of like an entanglement, like a trap, like a riddle, if somebody would have said to me that judging thing you're doing, you think you're good at it.

48:43

Because you're not, you're not good at it, So why are you doing it?

48:48

That would have been like, oh shit, I was doing it because I thought that if I did it I'd be better.

48:54

If I could judge it, then I could tune and be better.

48:56

No, you can't. You don't know, you're not the master yet.

48:59

When you're the master, come back and then you can judge yourself.

49:02

This is deep. Then you can do that. This is deep.

49:04

Thank you, Thank you.

49:06

This is really great.

49:08

This is great, Right? You've now taken a full circle God mode to bring in this judgment perspective from a Kabbalah standpoint.

49:21

I love it. We all struggle with.

49:25

We do, we do, and when we're not aware that we're doing it, we shut down.

49:32

And the moment we become aware oh, i'm judging myself right now I'm shutting down.

49:37

That's when we can make a shift, and so and so.

49:41

And doesn't that go in all areas of life?

49:44

It's like It does.

49:45

And isn't it funny, because if you do shut down as a result of judgment, then clearly you cut off some good stuff, right Like?

49:53

isn't that? like the immediate feedback, like now you're miserable and you're like don't want to do it anymore, like you've obviously just cut too much out.

50:00

You're not even going to the gym, you're not even doing the thing, you're not even painting, you're not doing, you're just.

50:07

You're just. You're not playing the game anymore to get to that.

50:10

You're just done Right. Obviously, you cut too much.

50:13

You killed the patients. You went in to cut to do some surgery.

50:17

You accidentally killed the patient You accidentally murdered you accidentally murdered the patient.

50:23

Yeah, exactly, let's go back to a previous save and let's not do that, let's keep playing.

50:30

Totally.

50:31

I love that. Stay in the game. Stay in the game You gotta stay in the game We get to stay in the game.

50:36

You gotta stay in the game, because it's a game, it's fun.

50:40

It is, it is. And you never know what you're going to find.

50:44

You just don't. And you know what's cool This also going back to Kabbalah, and we don't we're not going to get into it here, but it's the idea of leaving room for miracles or leaving room for magic.

50:54

You know, don't think you know everything, because if you do, you're not leaving space for those leaps forward, for those eureka moments.

51:03

You know where the guy gets out of the bathtub and runs naked through the streets of Greece, like you want that.

51:08

You don't want necessarily to take the long road up the mountain.

51:14

If you can suddenly have this moment where you're seeing one day and you get it in a way you didn't get it before and it changes you, that's something you want.

51:23

So if you're just sitting there with your blinders on, convinced that it's got to be hard and that it's never going to happen, blah, blah, blah, then you're not leaving space for the little miracles.

51:35

And that moment where I went to my incredibly masterful teacher and she told me that I was measuring the amount of time that I was doing it, and she told me that I was measurably better.

51:45

And I told her I haven't practiced at all And it was literally only because of some time effectiveness training program that taught me to be a little bit more emotionally intelligent.

51:55

That's a little miracle. That's a little miracle. Suddenly, i'm great at singing because of this other thing I did that had nothing to do with singing.

52:02

That's a miracle. That's a little miracle. Absolutely, absolutely.

52:05

Wow.

52:07

Leave room for that. I think we have a workbook here.

52:10

You might just say we have a players guide to sing.

52:15

We have a play. That's it. I think we did our job.

52:17

I love it.

52:20

I love it Seriously The way that you're putting your take on this and what I'm hearing and then what I'm like hearing what you said.

52:29

This is pretty cool Cross pollination.

52:31

We have a lot of good stuff here.

52:35

Yeah.

52:36

I feel. I feel I feel authentic, of course, like, even with this dang light behind me, i was like, i'll tell you why we never started.

52:44

Also, that light is like divinity, like the sun.

52:48

I'll tell you what that light is.

52:51

That light is that top node right here on my tree.

52:54

That's the light. That's exactly what I like it, whoa.

52:57

Look at you. Now you're getting the symbol.

53:01

Okay, i am Dude. Okay, You know. Oh wait, just right.

53:03

So you know what's interesting I'm going to show one day.

53:06

I will show you, i'll bring it to the studio, but I paint.

53:09

I did a self portrait in my early 20s No, mid 20s, and I was singing at the time and I it's a self portrait is of me, okay.

53:25

So I don't know, i can't really remember what inspired me to do it.

53:30

I just was like really depressed, but in painting this thing I had this like light around my head, just kind of like those those Catholic type of saying, you know.

53:47

So I painted one of those of myself and I was like what possessed me to do that?

53:52

But I looked back and I will bring it one day and you'll see, and you're going to go, whoa.

53:57

I think what really possessed me at the time was that I knew that that divinity, like my higher self, was present no matter what, no matter what I felt.

54:08

So in doing this work, that is the guide, like I want us to tap into that place.

54:17

That's the top part of my tattoo.

54:21

Yes, yes.

54:25

Yes, as a matter of fact, i've got like I don't know if I'll show this, but I got light beams, so there's actually a little light.

54:29

Oh no you never show, so it's literally shining.

54:34

That's good stuff.

54:35

Well, you know, it's funny is that I didn't even notice the light as a sort of distraction.

54:38

So there's not any of you have said about me. I didn't notice it at all the entire time And then when I did notice it, i was like Oh, divinity, awesome, it's quite fitting.

54:48

It's also funny because it feels like the light went off in your head.

54:52

We went, yeah, so this is great.

54:56

Well, i didn't.

54:58

We can wrap it up now. I feel like we have explored this part of our podcast, so to speak, totally As regards to the rooms, and then, knowing that you're coming from this God mode place, We both got texts just now.

55:18

We haven't gotten texts this whole time. It's both notifications.

55:21

Anyway, continue.

55:23

So I think we're off. We're off to the races.

55:26

I think we started something that's pretty cool.

55:30

I'll tell you something that's funny. You said you know, i've been out that thing the whole time and I was gonna joke around and say that's because we never started.

55:39

And yet we're done. I don't know.

55:41

Yeah, you know, man, that's why.

55:46

So I'll tell you what. if you want to do another one of these for you, i'm super down, i would like to.

55:54

this would be mine, this, this. what we just did is so my podcast.

55:58

You know what I mean. Okay, i will totally have another conversation with you.

56:03

if you want to do it for yours, you also use this one for yours.

56:06

I don't know if that's what you want, i could. This one's ready for me.

56:11

This one's ready for shipping. I can ship this.

56:14

Yes, and look, we didn't really have the all the fancy gear, we just did it.

56:21

No, we did not. I'm really hoping these AirPods did their job.

56:25

Really hoping I think they did.

56:29

Yeah, you hear me, fine, right.

56:31

I totally hear you fine, and yeah, i think it's.

56:33

And you know what? It has a charming episode, one character to it.

56:36

You know what I mean. That's, that's really the good news.

56:39

Episode one I am grateful to be part of your episode one.

56:43

Thank you The one.

56:45

The one.

56:45

The one one Neo one one Yeah exactly.

56:51

Yeah, see, now the robot makes a lot of fun connections.

56:58

Now I still got the robot. I'm just also alive now.

57:05

We need the robot, just know we don't kill the patient.

57:09

Oh, i ain't killing the patient. I, this patient is more alive and well, alive and well.

57:15

Oh the harmony, oh the harmony, Exactly, yeah, exactly.

57:22

This is how I'm going to stop the recording and then we can finish up our chat.

57:26

Okay.

57:27

For everybody listening. Thanks for listening.

57:29

Well, the first episode.

57:31

Yeah, we just let it roll, and I think we had a big value for, especially for new singers out there.

57:36

I think anybody who's trying to play the game of singing Welcome to this.

57:42

God mode. God mode, indeed.

57:45

Love you guys.

57:46

Love you, Annie.